Battlefield 3 - Balance Issues, Complexity and n00b Gadgets - Grand Bazaar TDM

[jonnygunsuk]

Dear Mr Nuts, I'm really enjoying your video's.Thanks for all the commentary and tips. I only play on Xbox and one thing that really bothers me is the dreadful match balancing. I played the other night where 9 of the 12 opposition team were eagles, while we had only one. Most of our team were from rank 1 to about 31. It was a painful few games! Voip is also poor, much worse than BFBC2. Any thoughts?

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@jonnygunsuk I squad up, enter a game, get split across squads and teams. That's pretty fundamental breakage for a team-based game. I don't think there is much in the way of match balancing either. Voip works fine for me on Xbox, just broken on PS3 but a patch is coming. Some things have taken a step back from BC2

[luppie112]

@DaSquirrelsNuts Plz add me on ps3 i'm in your platoon allready but u won't accept my friend request my battlelag name is Danny2987 ty

[parkour720]

yeah i hate that when you get to match that is already halfway and the balancer throws you always to losing team that is getting ass kicked 100-0

[HawaiiPaintball]

I agree on the vehicle problem because I got Battlefield 3 late and every time I get in a Helicopter or any vehicle for that matter I just get smashed by people with better unlocks than me. I also hope they make so that If a Jet crashes into you when your in a helicopter that they die as well. I hope that DICE fixes all these problems because I don't want Battlefield 3 to be ruined.

[blackkidlovesrock]

You are so right fortunately when I got bd3 I went into dog fights with people who also didnt have many unlocks so it wasnt as bad but now that Im pretty good in the jet I wanted to move on to the attack helicopters but I can barely stay in the air long enough to get a kill, its the only vehicle im having trouble with though.

[masterlock1000]

When you play on PC, are the team deathmatch games 32 on 32? Because that would be crazy!

[devildogin2012]

@masterlock1000 some severs are

[Littlerock1371]

@masterlock1000 yes, but the maps are larger.

[xBxHop]

COD4 was pretty good considering balance except for the mp5 and M16 those where laser beams basiclly

[beaver6613]

IR scopes aren't for "noobs", people who complain about stuff like that are the "noobs". The IR scope doesn't make you a better shot it just makes it easier to see.

[422eng]

Iv been playing BF3 for just over a month now, and I have found not having the vehicle unlocks at the start not so bad. It was a learning curve at first like you said, just to even drive the vehicles, but as you become a better player and as you master each vehicle, I think the upgrades are fair rewards. cheers

[nilkaa01]

thanks for the tips i just started playing ; )

[falcon55551]

totally agree with squirrelsnuts, the stinger nerf, what the hell? the IRNV scope was not nerfed by the time you shot the video was it?

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@falcon55551 yeah this vid was done before the nerf

[masterchief809]

coole sache!

[MrXannetic]

also I bet DICE will eventual bring out an unlock pack or bundle like what they did in BF:BC2 to unlock all weapons if you willing to pay xtra

[MrXannetic]

One of the most annoy me is the flare they recharge/ reload too fast. Also enemy tagging, it stays on you for too long once you're tagged

[NoHaterzAllowed100]

u have boss videos

[BeastMode140293]

The unlocks are what ruin this game. The vehicles should just have set weapons and be done with it. They give you an unfair advantage and too many guns. 2-3 weapons per class is fine.

[The4321kp]

wen the irnv scope was good and everyone was using i thought it was fun and bad so i used and relized it was bad and a holo sight is better thats just me now its just unusable i hate it half the time the people are invisable to my irnv scope and its blurry heres a way to batch make it a heat seeking scope so in caves and in houses everything is green but outside it is yellow and people show up orange and yellow in some spots and explosions and vehicles glow orange not fuzzy and blurry

[TNKGOTPWNED]

LOL @ "noob"... talk about one word that should be illegal to use.

Honestly, I think DICE put priority in the patch on things that could of waited. Looking at the entire list, a lot of it was minor, useless (well - almost) stuff. For example, they fixed the sound of climbing a ladder... woo hoo. Then nerfing the Stinger? You provided a great example. BONEHEAD move on their part. It's difficult as is to shoot an aircraft down with a ground based. Ahh well.

Good game play mate.

[UFOAIRSOFTKING11]

Hey I have Battlefield for PS3 & I am level 26 and I haven't played in 3 weeks. Do you think I could be overpowered by some of the higher rank players.

Score/per min 301

K/D 1.46

Acc. 15%

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@UFOAIRSOFTKING11 My concerns are mostly around your vehicle unlocks which you do not mention.

[spudicous]

@UFOAIRSOFTKING11 theirs really no way of knowing just by numbers but they seem pretty good.

[PsalmsFiftyOne]

@UFOAIRSOFTKING11 I agree with DaSquirrelsNuts, you can do very well starting out with no unlocks on weapons. I still use some of the beginning guns with no attachments. In vehicles however, you can very easily be taken advantage of. For example, if you are in a heli with no flairs, you are very easily shot down. My advice, master hiding behind objects such as hills and buildings. This skill is very important even after the unlocks.

[silvastomp]

would be good having a balance for the INVR scope.

advantages - see enemies clearly, better visibility in dark places

disadvantages - strong blinding by flashlight and sun, limited range, not a sharp image

Not overpowered but useful using it a certain way. That's what balance means in a game.

[nasboy2k8]

This video is like people calling hardscoping nooby

[Bolinhadkjo]

Wooow, another noob with IRNV.

[strikkebil]

agreed

[rats3g]

Your reference to the Us Army versus the Taliban is perfect. This is war guys, with the point being to kill the other person. If you ask any soldier whether they light balance and equality or plain domination they'll pick domination every time. When the objective is to kill another person before they kill you one doesn't fight fair because fair doesn't matter only surviving matters.

[espermike]

Call me crazy but I'd like to see some incentive for those who are more skilled/experienced to handicap themselves (extra points, cosmetic upgrades, etc.) by for example not using any weapon attachments. This gives them bragging rights at the same time as leveling the playing field somewhat. BF3 and similar games seem to thrive on highly skilled players grinding up the less-skilled. DICE makes some tiny gesture to this with the "comeback bonus"--a paltry 40 points for a death streak.

[fets2525]

I am glad to see Stinger being nerfed... takes a lot of skill to fly a chopper / plane, and it takes no skill to hold down your left trigger for 5 seconds then mash your right trigger and drop a plane from the sky.

I think they are introducing team work to playing anti air, similar to soflam / javelin. You now need 2 or 3 guys with a stinger to take out an enemy chopper. Or better yet learn to fly and go shoot it down with your own chopper.

It is a good balance IMO.

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@fets2525 well I think you'll find no-one will bother with stingers now. I for one would not stand around waiting to get a lock only to be flared, wait to get a lock, hit but no disable, wait to get a lock, flared, wait to get a lock, heli goes out of range and repairs. For jets they just hit the afterburner and go out of range even more quickly. If the heli has a gunner with flares too it will be ridiculous.

[espermike]

@DaSquirrelsNuts I think the release (non-patched PS3) version of stingers is acceptable. Helicopters have ridiculous mobility as a balance so you need to keep moving.

[rogue10000]

incidentally i have stopped playing till the supposed IRNV nerf and depending on the nerf will decide whether i come back

i even think night vision should be taken away from tanks, if i cant kill a tank i should certainly be able to hide or run away, or even use c4. if a tank has nightvision he would certainly see me when he otherwise wouldnt have.

choppers seem useless by attrition, i know as soon as i take off if theres a couple of guys with heat seekers im not going to be able to do much...

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@rogue10000 the problem with night vision at the moment is there is currently no counter for it. For example, in MW2 you could use the Cold Blooded perk if you were sick of being thermal scoped. It wasn't perfect because you would lose Stopping Power. In BF3 we only have the Specops camo and it's only a half-arsed solution available late in the game. Infantry need a counter for IRNV on guns and thermal on choppers/tanks.

[paest]

@DaSquirrelsNuts There is an unlock called thermal camo for vehicles, so there is some form of counter. As for if you're infantry, tough luck. BF3 stands out from the COD/MW series for being more realistic, and I dont think that the game is unbalanced just because theres no magic pill that makes you invisible to IRNV.

And, if you use IRVN on tanks etc, you loose all contrast to the sky, it all whites out. Thus making you more vounerable against air vehicles.

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@paest well I do think IRNV is imbalanced at present. I use it exactly because it tips the balance in my favour. Lots of people complain that it's in the game, some complain you're a n00b for using it, some complain it's OP, others are refusing to play BF3 until the imbalance is fixed. I don't have a problem with IRNV on helis and tanks because you have to give up things which make you very vulnerable. On guns though, you give *nothing* up, it's all advantage. At that, my friend, is an imbalance

[paest]

@DaSquirrelsNuts I see what you are saying, but I dont feel the same way. The IRVN scope has only 1x magnification, would it be more OP if it was changed to lets say 4x? Personally I like the 1x, but thats because I adapt the equipment to my playing style. If it was 4x I'd mount it on heavier rifles than Im currently using it on.

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@paest the zoom only really affects your ability to hit a target, not spot it. With IRNV you can see things you eye could not normally see (hidden/camouflaged players). You can then 'spot' them so even if you don't kill them someone probably will.

[rogue10000]

good to hear someone with some intelligence,

bf3 is the first fps i have given a real go since halo 1, and being new to the whole unlock thing has me a little frustrated, i dont like the fact that unlocks can give a dis/advantage.

make the game simpler, let everyone have an equal footing and the game will be more fun and no one can complain.. and your point about new players is an extremely good one

[ZerstoerenDieStille]

I agree but you should have given more examples of things you think will be impossible to balance.

[TWKILL3R]

I don't use the IRNV scope or the tactical light because i think they are a bit overpowered but i can still win many games. Also i think this game is ok for balancing as everyone has to work to unlock new guns. Lastly when christmas comes and all the new people come online and try flying they will have to put up with being shot down just like everyone in Europe which got the game 3 days late and anyway they should of got the game when it came out.

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@TWKILL3R well the people in Europe got it 3 days late but played on European servers so it wasn't an issue. Also, if you don't use the IRNV scope because it's over-powered then that's the point I am making - why *not* use it? Is it the principle?

[TWKILL3R]

@DaSquirrelsNuts I don't use as i think it hard to use and that i don't want to be a hypocrite (getting annoyed when people kill me with it and then using it myself). Anyway good video and play with you on PSN soon. Whats your capture card by the way?

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@TWKILL3R Hauppauge HD PVR

[powerman247]

I was just thinking about how this game is going to develop as time goes on and the people that have been playing for a while are maxed out and the new people coming in will be slaughtered or people like me that started with vehicles first and started leveling them up. Should I move to team deathmatch? I have had the game since release but still a low level since I didn't give it my all with mw3 and work. Psn. highvoltage4u

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@powerman247 TDM is great for leveling up weapons and for having fun. For leveling up your class I have found Conquest to be the best. Take Sprint and run around capping nodes. You'll get great XP doing this and level up pretty quickly. Also, if you're an engineer you can slap mines down near the nodes and SMAW vehicles. The XP just rolls in, trust me.

[0x0Athena0x0]

I completely agree with you! Great video!

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@0x0Athena0x0 Thanks Athena! :)

[MrTacticalinuit]

@DaSquirrelsNuts hi athena

[Ta2punk870569]

Finally someone who admits to using the IRNV because its still in the game and it gives you an advantage. Im sick of other commentators saying theyre only using it to prove a point in their video and they dont normally use it. thank you, great video/commentary. keep em coming

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@Ta2punk870569 Cheers bud

[shoninzo]

@Ta2punk870569 @DaSquirresNuts I never could understand why people don't want to tactical advantages... it's a war game, ladies and gents.

[MrTacticalinuit]

m416 is amazing imo i got 180 kills with it :D just so manageable recoil

[DaSquirrelsNuts]

@MrTacticalinuit It is a nice weapon for sure