Yugoslavia was not a satellite of the Soviet Union, like China wasn't. Tito got and kept his country out of the the Soviet axis. It was a communist or socialist country but it wasn't Soviet aligned. Actually, when the Soviet bloc fell Yugoslavia remained a sociallist country for a little while before its republics claimed independence and war erupted. Milosevic was the last ruler of cold war Europe that remained in power after the Eastern countries went capitalist.
I disagree about departing from nature, on the contrary I think we should look into ways of being in simbiosys relationship with it... Progress of the civilistaion is determinateted in a wrong way.
Velja - Good points. I just believe that we are expressing our domination of nature in the wrong ways. This is largely due to the millenniums we spent under its thumb and our lack of self-awareness. Our only problem know is creating a healthy paradigm in which to view the world. We live in a world that chiefly still believes in planned obsolescence. Our technology and development is not the problem...we are the problem.
Interesting philosopher, but some of his ideas are based on a public misunderstanding of nature and ecology. By inverting a attack on misunderstanding (which is good) to projecting the misunderstood object itself, as a central theme (not so good), Zizek, mischaracterises much of the work being done towards sustainability.
@ThwartedVillainy Errr... ya. Otherwise I wouldn't have said it.Learn a little about the history of a place someone comes from. Also, reading about someone's background helps understanding what and who you are looking at.
@MrDeicide1 Wow, so he comes from Soviet Slovenia, so therefore he must be evil? Great deduction skills there, pal. Where do you come from that's so sparkling clean and perfect?
@ThwartedVillainy Dude, you perfectly illustrate the point I already made. You seriously shouldn't speak about things you know nothing about.WTH is "Soviet" Slovenia?!!! O_o And why would your miserable deduction skills come to the conclusion that I think anyone coming from Socialist Republic of Slovenia, or any socialist country, for that matter - is evil? If anything it is a PLUS.
@MrDeicide1 You know damn well what I mean when I said Soviet Slovenia. When Slovenia was a socialist republic modeled after the Soviet Union and part of the Republic of Yugoslavia which was a well known satellite state for the USSR. It was also tasked with defending the Soviet Union according to the Warsaw Pact. So don't play childish games, you know what I'm talking about.
Why would I come to the conclusion that you believe someone from Slovenia is evil? Um, you called him scum.
@ThwartedVillainy Yugoslavia was not a Soviet satellite at any poit in it's existence. It was never a part of the Warsaw Pact. In fact it rejected it in '48 at risk of Soviet invasion. It founded The Non-Alied Movement. The more you speak - the more you reveal your cretinism. I called an INDIVIDUAL scum. Learn to read. Learn something. Anything
The Tito-Stalin split didn't happen until '48, yes, but for that split to happen the would of had to be close to begin with? Many historians would disagree with you say saying it was never such at any point in it's history. For three years after WW2, they essentially followed the stalinist model. One might say in those 3 years they enjoyed a higher level of independence then the other satellites, but they were heavily influenced by the USSR. May depend on yr definition of satellite.
Te Warsaw Pact had little to do with what we call satellite states btw, haha. The Soviet governments had been in place by then (Indeed, how else could they sign the warsaw pact?), and from the start most were puppets of Stalinism! Don't be so arrogant in telling people how wrong they are when you don't know what you're saying.
@ThwartedVillainy How does your cretinous brain derive from what I said about this FASCIST trash that I hate people from SOCIALIST countries? How is it possible for someone like you to even cross the street, or even simply exist when you read exactly the opposite what people tell you? Do yo use your hind end as your brain? PAL?
@phloppe Gramps got rheumatic fever guarding the border in Vojvodina, in -40 C weather, tree trunks splitting from cold, waiting for Zhdanov's tank divisions to roll over him. Then I got these douchebags to contend with. Mad? Nah
"Accept our full alienation of nature" Are you kidding me! We are of nature, we are not separate from it, dumbass. Our technology is of nature, too. Would someone please get this guy a tall glass of Alan Watts? And I'm only the 2nd person to dislike this!!! Uh, oh.
@buckj54 I feel you but we are alienated from the processes that occur in nature. We do not depend so much on the weather or a certain part of the eco-system. We have distanced ourself from the natural or ordinary environment and that is what i think he is meaning when he says that we should accept our alienation from nature. To solve that we do need to accept it in the first place.
I think we should work towards integrating our civilization with the Earth in a more sustainable way.
Zizek is on to something important here, and I share many of his critiques. But between the idealisation of nature found in the eco-community with its call to reconnect with the oneness of the world, and an alienating acceptance of the postmodern end of nature, lies ecopsychoanalysis' acknowledgment of the fundamental ambivalence. Affect, phantasy, conflict and defence interact in complex nonlinear ways with the nonhuman world. See my book 'Psychoanalysis and Ecology at the Edge of Chaos'.
@JustSomePerson888 Clearly somebody hasn't read any of his works, nor knows a thing about communism itself. I wouldn't consider myself a communist, but Zizek certainly has a lot to say. Stay ignorant at your own peril.
Oil is nature "going wrong"? For whom? What does "going wrong" mean? Is a massive earth quake 'going wrong'? Or a volcanic eruption, or a tsunami, or a forest fire...? At what point in the cycle of life and death does things 'go wrong'? He seems to imply that ecologist think nature is a garden of Eden with manicured lawn. No, nature is messy and powerful and destructive. But it sustains life. Human hubris if in danger of pushing nature to a different balance that will reduce that ability.
@tanchongkee he might be refering to a Hegalian line of reasoning: the master/slave dialectic that moves towards a perfect historic harmony (point) is a misunderstood construct. Ecologist suggest that there exists an inate harmony in nature that should be understood. Zizek is saying that not only are the two interdependent, but the two are one: Nature and technology are the same entities attempting to move in a manner that seeks to preserve and destroy itself at the same time.
He is speaking in rational language to create antithesis; this is pointless, because the only way you will ever change the envy, greed an hierarchical behaviors of human being is through seduction. Is he not preaching to the converted? does he understand subtleties of potential human existence? I don't want to be told what to think, I don't want to be told what to do , I just want to vibrate on one spot. I don't want to channel this direct current rational.
uh yeah, ain't gonna happen. liberty isn't going anywhere and nature? it goes wrong for who? who says what nature does is not exactly and precisely what is healthy and right for nature? and if we keep messing with nature? she's going to kick our collective ass...and shake us off of her. watch.
@preparadox how is nature going to kick our ass? natural disasters? excuse me but natural disasters has been happening even before humans existed. it is a part of nature.
@Commentary1984 That is Ideology talking. The problem is not that Nature does not exist, but that the idea of nature does not exist; You should watch the conference in Athens, its on youtube too. Zizek proposes a denaturalization so we can make logic of ecology better.
@preparadox our greatest sins we commit against nature are because we believe ourselves to be placed outside nature. In fact, we are a product of nature itself and in your thinking in the first part this means we are always doing the right and most healthy things. Why should our ass be kicked then? Contemplate that for a moment :D
When you use words like "totalitarian" and "liberal" to describe behaviors collectively, you are guided to the assumption that they must always come packaged, and when they don't, it's strange.
I think the first step to healing the vast amount of political confusion in this world is to get rid of labels and make people talk about their proposed ideas and policies one at a time.
I think this video shows a long time ago video's hoax.
Do you think that accord to Science earthquakes spark because of our whole planet is built naturally with radiation in its core that causes damages everywhere?.
I know science will prevail till to the end of the existence of our planet.
as a slovenian (where learning of nature is a very simple training) i feel very strange listening to zizek sine he is a bureaucratic moron. the only advantage of such philosophers is only because they don't listen nor try to understand to anyone else but those who catch themselves in the same manner of a dialectic narration as they provide. the other day i listened to an interview with his ex-wife also a slo-philosopher, she seems to suffer due to the similar mental-desease.
@BoaanaKG gotta admit, the part where you directed a mediated quasiscientific gaze into zizek's ex-wife mental wellbeing is a coup de grace. you don't even have to buy a gun, stick it in your mouth and pull the trigger. your very being in that skin is punishment enough :)
@BoaanaKG No, you are moron and Zizek is right about nature. Idealize nature doesnt exist, only nature that exist is organic mater and it's chaos and bullshit not something nice harmonic, explain than earthquakes and woolkanos if nature is perfect why then she polute and destroy herself. In future even real nature (organic mater) will not exist and it is good thing everything will be mecanic
@BoaanaKG , industrial things like food and with science food will be produce and it will be much healthier and purer than natural and its a good thing. Man should separate himself from nature and go to science to inteligence, best thing in future I hope will be artificial inteligence combined with human brain, chips in brain like hard discs, it will give much, much more inteligence to humans and enormus prosperity and advance.
@MrDeceide1 I think your original comment about this guy seems about right.
sanfranciscodude 1 week ago
@sanfranciscodude Cheers. Just trying to help people here not to idolize someone not worth spitting on.
MrDeicide1 5 days ago
'48 split is called Informbiro. And Tito was quite proud of it, that he ''won'' it.
Pitleroboy 1 week ago
If it exists then it it is natural.
Malkohut 2 weeks ago
Yugoslavia was not a satellite of the Soviet Union, like China wasn't. Tito got and kept his country out of the the Soviet axis. It was a communist or socialist country but it wasn't Soviet aligned. Actually, when the Soviet bloc fell Yugoslavia remained a sociallist country for a little while before its republics claimed independence and war erupted. Milosevic was the last ruler of cold war Europe that remained in power after the Eastern countries went capitalist.
arielemio 2 weeks ago
I disagree about departing from nature, on the contrary I think we should look into ways of being in simbiosys relationship with it... Progress of the civilistaion is determinateted in a wrong way.
nepostojeneutralni 3 weeks ago
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nepostojeneutralni 3 weeks ago
Velja - Good points. I just believe that we are expressing our domination of nature in the wrong ways. This is largely due to the millenniums we spent under its thumb and our lack of self-awareness. Our only problem know is creating a healthy paradigm in which to view the world. We live in a world that chiefly still believes in planned obsolescence. Our technology and development is not the problem...we are the problem.
buckj54 3 weeks ago
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Interesting philosopher, but some of his ideas are based on a public misunderstanding of nature and ecology. By inverting a attack on misunderstanding (which is good) to projecting the misunderstood object itself, as a central theme (not so good), Zizek, mischaracterises much of the work being done towards sustainability.
kokopelli314 3 weeks ago
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kokopelli314 3 weeks ago
They have water hoses for scum like this
MrDeicide1 3 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 You're calling Zizek scum? lol wat.
ThwartedVillainy 3 weeks ago
@ThwartedVillainy Errr... ya. Otherwise I wouldn't have said it.Learn a little about the history of a place someone comes from. Also, reading about someone's background helps understanding what and who you are looking at.
MrDeicide1 3 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 Wow, so he comes from Soviet Slovenia, so therefore he must be evil? Great deduction skills there, pal. Where do you come from that's so sparkling clean and perfect?
ThwartedVillainy 3 weeks ago
@ThwartedVillainy Dude, you perfectly illustrate the point I already made. You seriously shouldn't speak about things you know nothing about.WTH is "Soviet" Slovenia?!!! O_o And why would your miserable deduction skills come to the conclusion that I think anyone coming from Socialist Republic of Slovenia, or any socialist country, for that matter - is evil? If anything it is a PLUS.
MrDeicide1 3 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 You know damn well what I mean when I said Soviet Slovenia. When Slovenia was a socialist republic modeled after the Soviet Union and part of the Republic of Yugoslavia which was a well known satellite state for the USSR. It was also tasked with defending the Soviet Union according to the Warsaw Pact. So don't play childish games, you know what I'm talking about.
Why would I come to the conclusion that you believe someone from Slovenia is evil? Um, you called him scum.
ThwartedVillainy 3 weeks ago
@ThwartedVillainy Yugoslavia was not a Soviet satellite at any poit in it's existence. It was never a part of the Warsaw Pact. In fact it rejected it in '48 at risk of Soviet invasion. It founded The Non-Alied Movement. The more you speak - the more you reveal your cretinism. I called an INDIVIDUAL scum. Learn to read. Learn something. Anything
MrDeicide1 2 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1
The Tito-Stalin split didn't happen until '48, yes, but for that split to happen the would of had to be close to begin with? Many historians would disagree with you say saying it was never such at any point in it's history. For three years after WW2, they essentially followed the stalinist model. One might say in those 3 years they enjoyed a higher level of independence then the other satellites, but they were heavily influenced by the USSR. May depend on yr definition of satellite.
BassVirtual 2 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1
Te Warsaw Pact had little to do with what we call satellite states btw, haha. The Soviet governments had been in place by then (Indeed, how else could they sign the warsaw pact?), and from the start most were puppets of Stalinism! Don't be so arrogant in telling people how wrong they are when you don't know what you're saying.
BassVirtual 2 weeks ago
@BassVirtual Btw and haha there is no cure for the degree of stupidity you are displaying. Just stop talking, you cretin.
MrDeicide1 2 weeks ago
@ThwartedVillainy How does your cretinous brain derive from what I said about this FASCIST trash that I hate people from SOCIALIST countries? How is it possible for someone like you to even cross the street, or even simply exist when you read exactly the opposite what people tell you? Do yo use your hind end as your brain? PAL?
MrDeicide1 3 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 You're either a troll or you're genuinely crazy. Either way, I think we're done here.
ThwartedVillainy 2 weeks ago
@ThwartedVillainy If you WEREN'T Genuinely crazy -- You would have comprehended by now that THAT is exactly what I called you.
MrDeicide1 2 weeks ago
@MrDeicide1 Were you actually angry when you wrote these things? If so, why?
phloppe 1 week ago
@phloppe Gramps got rheumatic fever guarding the border in Vojvodina, in -40 C weather, tree trunks splitting from cold, waiting for Zhdanov's tank divisions to roll over him. Then I got these douchebags to contend with. Mad? Nah
MrDeicide1 1 week ago
Slovenian schizophrenic fascizoid fundamentalist catholic/jesuit/white guard cretin
MrDeicide1 3 weeks ago
"Accept our full alienation of nature" Are you kidding me! We are of nature, we are not separate from it, dumbass. Our technology is of nature, too. Would someone please get this guy a tall glass of Alan Watts? And I'm only the 2nd person to dislike this!!! Uh, oh.
buckj54 1 month ago
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@buckj54 I feel you but we are alienated from the processes that occur in nature. We do not depend so much on the weather or a certain part of the eco-system. We have distanced ourself from the natural or ordinary environment and that is what i think he is meaning when he says that we should accept our alienation from nature. To solve that we do need to accept it in the first place.
I think we should work towards integrating our civilization with the Earth in a more sustainable way.
velja27 3 weeks ago
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strobaldus 1 month ago
I don't know whats more disturbing, his talk or simply watching him.
WorldCollections 1 month ago
Zizek is on to something important here, and I share many of his critiques. But between the idealisation of nature found in the eco-community with its call to reconnect with the oneness of the world, and an alienating acceptance of the postmodern end of nature, lies ecopsychoanalysis' acknowledgment of the fundamental ambivalence. Affect, phantasy, conflict and defence interact in complex nonlinear ways with the nonhuman world. See my book 'Psychoanalysis and Ecology at the Edge of Chaos'.
ecopsychoanalysis 1 month ago
"Nature is crazy."
turingtape 1 month ago 2
huh?
zjtheman 1 month ago
zonist slav agitator. spreading lies about real communism too.
JustSomePerson888 2 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 Clearly somebody hasn't read any of his works, nor knows a thing about communism itself. I wouldn't consider myself a communist, but Zizek certainly has a lot to say. Stay ignorant at your own peril.
FaithlessDwarf 2 months ago 13
@FaithlessDwarf - wrong, moron. i was right in what i posted about him elsewhere and also here. kill yourself.
JustSomePerson888 2 months ago
@FaithlessDwarf if someone praises communism in a "free"-country, i dont think they know what communism means.
aqueenowlbee 5 days ago
Oil is nature "going wrong"? For whom? What does "going wrong" mean? Is a massive earth quake 'going wrong'? Or a volcanic eruption, or a tsunami, or a forest fire...? At what point in the cycle of life and death does things 'go wrong'? He seems to imply that ecologist think nature is a garden of Eden with manicured lawn. No, nature is messy and powerful and destructive. But it sustains life. Human hubris if in danger of pushing nature to a different balance that will reduce that ability.
tanchongkee 2 months ago
@tanchongkee he might be refering to a Hegalian line of reasoning: the master/slave dialectic that moves towards a perfect historic harmony (point) is a misunderstood construct. Ecologist suggest that there exists an inate harmony in nature that should be understood. Zizek is saying that not only are the two interdependent, but the two are one: Nature and technology are the same entities attempting to move in a manner that seeks to preserve and destroy itself at the same time.
fweebrotwosday 1 month ago 2
He is speaking in rational language to create antithesis; this is pointless, because the only way you will ever change the envy, greed an hierarchical behaviors of human being is through seduction. Is he not preaching to the converted? does he understand subtleties of potential human existence? I don't want to be told what to think, I don't want to be told what to do , I just want to vibrate on one spot. I don't want to channel this direct current rational.
SlavonicDances 3 months ago
@SlavonicDances Right on! I don't think he wants to dictate the nature of transformation, just predict what it might look like.
paranoidjones 1 month ago
he needs to look at quantum mechanics..you can have philosophical theories without bashing science
bigu236 3 months ago
En hoe? 3:18
84Drumcircle 3 months ago
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84Drumcircle 3 months ago
/watch?v=NEe4lQP7akg
cotymcclung 4 months ago
Zorin was way off. It would have taken a lot more than an old gold mine full of dynamite to cause an earthquake, let alone to flood Silcon Valley.
snappycatchy 4 months ago
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Language Imperialism in Asia Times - Zizek quote
WeToldYouSo1 4 months ago
i get tired when i listen to him :P
composertimbeek 4 months ago
He reminds me of Jeff Daniels...
wutluck89 4 months ago
uh yeah, ain't gonna happen. liberty isn't going anywhere and nature? it goes wrong for who? who says what nature does is not exactly and precisely what is healthy and right for nature? and if we keep messing with nature? she's going to kick our collective ass...and shake us off of her. watch.
preparadox 4 months ago
@preparadox how is nature going to kick our ass? natural disasters? excuse me but natural disasters has been happening even before humans existed. it is a part of nature.
vcwd 4 months ago
@preparadox sigh. since when are "we" not part of nature? oh the farse of that separation is so pervasive...
while i agree, with your sentiment, we are part of that shaking. we are part of that 'she.'
Commentary1984 4 months ago
@Commentary1984 That is Ideology talking. The problem is not that Nature does not exist, but that the idea of nature does not exist; You should watch the conference in Athens, its on youtube too. Zizek proposes a denaturalization so we can make logic of ecology better.
gabethefaun 3 months ago
@gabethefaun uhmm i dont know i think is more like the hegemonic idea of nature its very reductionist.
TheLCSymbolic 3 months ago
@preparadox our greatest sins we commit against nature are because we believe ourselves to be placed outside nature. In fact, we are a product of nature itself and in your thinking in the first part this means we are always doing the right and most healthy things. Why should our ass be kicked then? Contemplate that for a moment :D
lazaraza 2 months ago
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This guy' s pronunciation of English language is so bad that hurts.
femminiello 4 months ago
@femminiello watch his vids in his native tongue then
The6milphil 4 months ago
@femminiello thats so true.. not all slovenians talk like that, though :)
MaryPoppinsRapedMe 4 months ago
he looks like gerard depardieu!
dolcefiamma 5 months ago
@roquefort88888
When you use words like "totalitarian" and "liberal" to describe behaviors collectively, you are guided to the assumption that they must always come packaged, and when they don't, it's strange.
I think the first step to healing the vast amount of political confusion in this world is to get rid of labels and make people talk about their proposed ideas and policies one at a time.
Npowell01 5 months ago
@Npowell01 Good point! Thanks for taking taking the time to comment.
admirim 5 months ago
if social discipline is not the politically correct - because zizek hates it - so, what is it?
scramblevideos 6 months ago
I think this video shows a long time ago video's hoax.
Do you think that accord to Science earthquakes spark because of our whole planet is built naturally with radiation in its core that causes damages everywhere?.
I know science will prevail till to the end of the existence of our planet.
I like your video but use common sense always.
joeelipo 7 months ago
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What a load. All minds like this should be destroyed.
ApocalypticDevotee 7 months ago
I have became a true listener to Slavoj...a student if you will. He is truly a great philosopher and teacher.
jcptexas9 8 months ago 23
@jcptexas9 that is beacuse is sloven :D
tadej324 1 month ago
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as a slovenian (where learning of nature is a very simple training) i feel very strange listening to zizek sine he is a bureaucratic moron. the only advantage of such philosophers is only because they don't listen nor try to understand to anyone else but those who catch themselves in the same manner of a dialectic narration as they provide. the other day i listened to an interview with his ex-wife also a slo-philosopher, she seems to suffer due to the similar mental-desease.
BoaanaKG 8 months ago
@BoaanaKG
here is some sage advice for you boaanKGB:
buy a pistol..stick it in your mouth...pull the trigger.
problem solved.
novaflo339 7 months ago
@BoaanaKG if you are slovenian, than 'YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO SLOVENIA'
svord000 7 months ago
@BoaanaKG gotta admit, the part where you directed a mediated quasiscientific gaze into zizek's ex-wife mental wellbeing is a coup de grace. you don't even have to buy a gun, stick it in your mouth and pull the trigger. your very being in that skin is punishment enough :)
28g34ajbsd 6 months ago 2
@BoaanaKG No, you are moron and Zizek is right about nature. Idealize nature doesnt exist, only nature that exist is organic mater and it's chaos and bullshit not something nice harmonic, explain than earthquakes and woolkanos if nature is perfect why then she polute and destroy herself. In future even real nature (organic mater) will not exist and it is good thing everything will be mecanic
zigifrojd 5 months ago
@BoaanaKG , industrial things like food and with science food will be produce and it will be much healthier and purer than natural and its a good thing. Man should separate himself from nature and go to science to inteligence, best thing in future I hope will be artificial inteligence combined with human brain, chips in brain like hard discs, it will give much, much more inteligence to humans and enormus prosperity and advance.
zigifrojd 5 months ago
@zigifrojd hahaha....funny!
"man should separate himself from nature." oh but silly person...humans ARE nature. smh.
Commentary1984 4 months ago