You are 100% correct on this one. I recently was layed off from my job and I had to do without healthcare, I had a gallbladder attack and had to have it removed without insurance. Now I have to file for bankruptcy because there is no way I can afford the bill. Living in the states have been pure hell for me because I was born into a poor family with no way out. Thanks for doing vids like this, people in the states need to wake the hell up.
Old video Sol but I'm just seeing it now & some of the comments are absurd. You can easily spot the rich sons of bitches who try desperately to justify their arguments for lower taxes on the rich. They seem to forget that factories, shops, bars, & other such businesses, dont exactly pay salaries in the 100k-250k bracket. Someone has to work in these industries or there'd be no milk with your coffee in the morning. So do these hard working people on low incomes not deserve to have life & health?
Back around October of last year, there was an incident in Tennessee where a town had taken the fire department off the public tax list. The citizens had to pay a specific monthly fee of $75 in order to be covered by the county. As you can imagine, a house caught fire that belonged to a family that did not pay. The fire department came, and simply watched it burn down, waiting for it to spread to a house that had paid. It made me ashamed of my race.
Lets all pay to save the life of the smokeing, fast food eating slobs that don't seem to care about their life. There should be no obligation in prioritising these people over those who care about their health. When people begin to care about their health and PREVENT illness I may start listening.
Lets all pay to save the life of the smokeing, fast food eating slobs that don't seem to care about their life. There should be no obligation in prioritising these people over those who care about their health. When people begin to care about their health and PREVENT ilness I may start listening.
Lets all pay to save the life of the smokeing, fast food eating slobs that don't seem to care about their life. There should be no obligation in prioitising these people over those who care about their health. When people begin to care about their health and PREVENT ilness I may start listening.
Everything is based on profits. Find a non profit organization out there that doesn't pay its employees salaries. Often non profit organizations pay their staff members higher salaries than other companies. Doctors need to get paid. That's profit. Nurses need to get paid. That's profit. Anyone who argues that this is non profit is a liar, a scumbag, and a libtard socialist twat.
@SeeProfileForDetails - Salary's are an expense of a business, not a profit. Profit by definition is something that the owners of a business take home after all costs have been paid. Salaries by definition, are part of the expenditure of a business. Do you understand, or would you like me to explain it to you like I would a 5 year old? Moron
@captain0j you need to be profitable in order to pay salaries, the owner of the business can simply work a few hours and pay himself $60/hour because he feels like it, even though he might only be worth $15/hour. There are always ways to give out your profits and hide them in salaries.
@SolRosenberg84 that and it also shows the complete asinine hypocrisy you have. To preach morals and ethics regardign the health care system when you obviously smoke, number 1 an illegal substance, number 2 a substance which untold amounts of people and law enforcement officers have lost their lives over due to cartel violence and mayhem so that your cannabis can be smuggled into Canada and the US. In short you're a hypocritical asswipe. Number 3 the fact that you smoke it goes to the point of
It was made illegal in Canada because people feared it would make white women sleep with "undesirable" races. Story in the US is virtually the same. Ever wonder why its colloquially named marijuana? Thats due to a smear campaign which used a Mexican name for cannabis because it sounded scary and foreign.
>law enforcement officers have lost their lives
If it wasn't illegal, the price for it wouldn't be high, and people wouldn't be willing to kill for it. Derp.
@Sol of you being an uneducated imbecile as the evidence for cancer causing agents in cannabis is absolute, it is almost universally acknowledged as a gateway drug by the medical community and what's worse is you make the same tired asshat arguments that have been around since the 60's like it or not hippie cigarettes are a socially and morally accepted product to be used pot isn't. Added to which, nobody has brain capacity and function diminish from tobacco the same can't be said of pot
Cannabis does not cause cancer, in fact, the cannabinoids within it have an interesting anti-tumour effect. This effect has been published in a subset of Nature, as well as Oxford journals. A simple google search could find you a host of links to the abstracts.
Studies of medical records, such as the one by Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine, show that there is no link of cannabis to increased cancer rates.
Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that had been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory test, the tars from marijuana smoke have produced tumors when applied to animal skin.
But then, why is it that long term studies of health records do not find a correlation between cannabis smoking and cancer once you control for cigarette use?
I'm not arguing that there are no nasty agents in cannabis smoke - of course there are. It is smoke after all. What I'm trying to bring attention to is that there are other properties to cannabis smoke then just cancerous agents - cannabinoids with their anti-tumour effects for example.
Name the studies? No offense kid, but I have an MS Degree, I know something about variables, case studies, quantitative analysis etc.. your a Canadian kid posting from your bed room with bongs as room decor, I'm not really putting a lot merit into your interpretation of the case studies and research I referenced. Secondly, you acknowledge that pot smoke has many bad properties, and frankly the medical beneifits of pot smoke are coming under increasing scrutiny as being bullshit but I digress.
Yeah, you still haven't explained why long term medical record studies find no correlation between cannabis use and cancer risk once you control for tobacco use. I don't care how you view my interpretation, but thats a pretty big hole in your theory.
>I have an MS Degree
Funny how you got that far through school without learning how to use spell check or prevent run on sentences.
Protip - no one cares if you claim you are educated online - make a good argument or shut up.
I don't care about the occassional type-o or incorrect spelling on a YT posting there Noam Chomskey. Secondly, as you keep saying and I keep asking, WHAT LONG TERM STUDIES? Unless you can cite multiple as in more than two studies and cite them specifically your very unspecific " long term medical studies" line sounds like bs, and there are MULTIPLE studies showing correlation between all forms of brain damage and cancers associated with long term pot use, and I gave them to you with specifics
Pot is dangerous, the one difference is despite 40 years of bullshit propoganda, and hippie protest and earth day asshats pontificating there is NO causative link showing cigarettes 100% cause lung cancer. That is evidenced by the fact that you can not find one ONE death certificate ANYWHERE that lists Cigarettee smoke as the cause of death. Do I think cigarettes are healthy? NO do I think tobacco is on the same plain as weed morally, or medically NOPE. By the way I think your comments show
rank hypocrissy, I might add to you that all those racist who decided to call in Marijuana as you claim, well they don't make the laws in Mexico where pot is illegal and all those cartels are killing MEXICANS to smuggle POT not coke, not dust, not meth, not crack or heroine but good old pot Cheech. You seem to Fred Astaire like glide right past that during your moral rant on the evils of profit based health care, thousands of civilains and law enforcement people have DIED
Actually, no. The gateway idea is rejected by pretty much everybody except those who it is in their financial interest to say otherwise, like the DEA.
In fact, new studies show that cannabis is not a gateway drug, but a terminus drug (Predictors of Marijuana Use in Adolescents Before and After Licit Drug Use: Examination of the Gateway Hypothesis. 2006. American Journal of Psychiatry 163: 2134-2140.)
>cigarettes are a socially and morally accepted product to be used pot isn't
Yeah, because prevailing social views have never been wrong before! Women should have stayed in the kitchen and never been allowed to vote! People should be arrested for being gay! The world really is flat!
All this shows is that decades of propaganda introduced at a young age by moneyed interests can be effective in blocking evidence based discussion and policy.
The testicular link study worked by asking cancer patients if they've ever smoked weed. By that methodology, you could ask cancer patients how many chairs they have sat in throughout their lives and come to the conclusion that chairs cause testicular cancer.
National Academy of Science.. An average marijuana cigarette contains 30 nanograms of this carcinogen, compared to 21 nanograms in an average tobacco cigarette (Marijuana and Health, National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine report,1982). This potent carcinogen suppresses a gene that controls growth of cells. When this gene is damaged, the body becomes more susceptible to cancer. This gene, P53, is related to half of all human cancers and as many as 70% of lung cancers) must be hype!
Marijuana Damages DNA And May Cause Cancer, New Test Reveals
ScienceDaily (June 15, 2009) — Using a highly sensitive new test, scientists in Europe are reporting "convincing evidence" that marijuana smoke damages the genetic material DNA in ways that could increase the risk of cancer. I can post hundreds of these from National and International science, medical and health organizations. Name one medical journal, or Med School or Science academy who has debunked the gateway argument ?
In response to your asinine rant about evil etc... I find it evil, vile and sick, that you would have the balls and the tamarity to obligate other peoples money based on your moral code. If the proposition was advanced to all you fucking leftist hippes that if YOU want to have socilaized medicine, a special box will be checked on YOUR tax returns to deliniate a larger portion of YOUR money to pay for those programs, if that was put out there all you asshats would whine and cry about fairness
In other words, I'm going to be paying a fuck load of taxes throughout my life. I don't mind paying them, if I know that hopefully some of it is going towards people who need help. There will be abuse, but if assistance is necessary it is worth the cost.
The sociopathic dribble you are spouting however has at its core one fatal weakness, the same weakness that plagues most of the philosophies of the rich - the illusion of isolation.
All the health care privileges from your job won't stop poor people from contracting and incubating dangerous diseases to the point that they mutate to something more dangerous. The health of the herd affects the health of the individual. It is in our best interest that everyone receives care.
or more accurately have been MURDERED by Pot smugglers, the same pot you so arogantly enjoy, but your argument is that if it were legal then those tragedies would not exist, again demonstrating your moral and logical hypocrisy, intellectual hoensty would dictate that as long as the product you support is ILLEGAL you don't use it, you can advocate for its legalization all you want but once you use it, you are defcto contributing to the market for that product, the market that creates, MURDER and
mayhe, in other words you're a fucking hypocrite as are most pot heads, but hey you can toke up and get high up ther in Orangville or London or Vancouver or whatever the hell other place you are, all safe and secure smoking the cheeba and bemoaning the moral crime that paying for health care supposedly is. I can't imagine the sonic boom that would occur when you pull your head out of your ass kid.
Oh boy, here's the funny thing. I haven't smoked in months. I've smoked in the past, but right now, i have nothing to loose nor gain from the discussion of cannabis legality.
And yes, if pot was legal, people wouldn't get fucking shot over it. People were shot over underground alcohol sales during prohibition, but when booze became legal people stopped getting wasted over alcohol sales, and the underground lost a cash crop.
Moonshine is still big business in certain parts of America sherlock, besides I thought O Canada offered free everything, health care,welfare, college etc..So why haven't you taken advantage of all the Great White North has to offer? By getting a degree?? I made a few type-o's so my Master of Science Degree goes out the window,but you post from your bedroom with bongs and airsoft guns as the backdrop and somehow your intellect is equivilant to GK Chesterton. Ah the Canadian mentality at work.
and everybody doing their share and healthcare is a right etc... Your argument is absolutely straw man, the reason why health care is as expensive as it is in the US is primarily based on our absurdly litigious society that sues for everything, IE medical malpractice insurance and your godly social programs like Medicare and Medicade are fraud laden and a license to commmit theft. As a result things are more expensive, additionally one of the things that thank god separates us from Canada is
is the belief that there is no such thing as a free lunch, if you can't pay for something, get another job, stay healthy, take care of yourself, thats the real world kid ( not Canada) where most of the time things aren't fair so even if you take care of yourself like you said of your brother sometimes things just suck, kinda like life you pansy. Chris,t you're a military brat? I'm sure your parent who spent a life of duty and honor and discipline as a soldier must be proud of you and your bongs
Actually, my father actually spotted me when I took a hit of salvia. Do you know why? Because I explained why I was doing it, calmly and accurately, and was honest about the risks.
Honesty, open mindedness, and maturity. Terrifying eh?
And yes, reality isn't fair. It never has been, and it probably never will be. But that doesn't stop us from trying to make it a bit fairer, does it? By your logic, there would be no point trying to solve crimes - the world is just unfair right?
Great points! It's time to make a New system which actually Supports us- a 'Life Support' system- rather than this Fucked-Up system which only serves to Profit a Few at the Cost of Many! This Debt system is a Death system. It makes No Sense as a Species to have a system which Hinders and Abuses us, and all life as well. It's time for Equality and an Equal Money System, so everyone has access to their needs and No One has to Suffer!
exactly! and what does financially succesful really mean? That the person in the fight for survival has defeated others who now have to little money, you can hardly call that a succes
Very cool. This is the system we have allowed, A system disregarding Life in general. Everything is linked to profit, the profit for few personalities that have been trained to abuse, like we all have been. Money has become the main motivator for all of us to work and act, according to the systems rules, so that we will get money to buy us "in", to buy our right to live. EVIL, indeed. Live itself should become our motivation. We are one and Equal as life.Self honesty & Equal Money are solution.
Profit based health care is non-effective and abusive, because as long as something is base don profit, it is dependant on profit and will not do whats best for all, but looking for ways to make thhe most profit, and require certain things for the profit to exist.
Cool Video - I agree, a World System which base Health Care on Money is an Atrocity and complete mis-understanding as who we are as Life. If Interested in investigating a group that is actually taking this point on and Developing a New World System, Explore Desteni and Equal Money System. There are a group of people who are seeing the same problems as expressed in this video and are in the works of creating a NEW System not based on Profit, but rather Life and Equality.
This man opened himself up to criticism. So give it to him guys. He is almost brilliant for what he said in my opinion. Almost is 99.9%. Take that into factor and you could easily get pregnant girls. Take a look at the statistics though. Would you trust someone .01% with full voice, or would you trust his guys words 99.9%. Take your chance.
Isn't condemning people to a system that almost guarantees zero medical advancement "evil".
Isn't condemning people to a system with zero consumer downward pressure on prices for medical treatment "evil" because the state does not have infinite resources to pay for escalating medical cost.
If you live in the USA and get sick, you are more likely to live, yes you may have to pay out of pocket but what used to be expensive 20 years ago is now affordable to normal people due to market forces.
I think your heart is in the right place and that you argued your position quite well, but your ethical premises are misplaced. The first question to ask is not "is profit-based healthcare wrong?"; rather, we should ask whether individuals have the right to use force against others to achieve their own ends. Your question is not unimportant, but it doesn't supersede the most foundational, fundamental moral axiom of all, the non-aggression principle. Government necessarily violates the NAP.
There are limited resources in healthcare as there are in all things. How do we distribute those resources? Should they be decided by currency or by a govt. entity? I don't think either is compassionate or fair, but I'd have to go with the former.
@kkoznarek Morality is a man made concept. It is what allows us to function as a pack animal or civil society. There are rules that must be followed in order for cooperating organisms to function together. We call those rules morality. You can say they came from God. I say they came for understanding between humans.
The medical guild in the U.S. has done a wonderful job of restricting the supply of medical professionals while amplifying demand for their services, thus inflating the wages of doctors. This is the principal cause of high costs. Insurance companies enjoy an average profit margin of around 5%, something that isn't especially impressive or significant. The majority of their revenue is directed not to shareholders, but to practitioners. If remedied, prices would decline and affordability increase.
Forcing the entire population to subsidize medical care through coercion is somehow less unethical than voluntary exchanges between consumers and medical professionals? Establishing a legal monopsony and subordinating individuals to the whole isn't a necessary condition for ensuring that consumers can attain medical services if they choose to do so, traditional market mediums are sufficient.
@gunman806 "if they choose to do so traditional market mediums are sufficient"
sooner or later everyone has to "choose". regulate how much a practitioner makes... why that sounds like socialism! also, insurance rates are horrendous b/c you people will sue for anything and for stupid amounts of money.
if you look at social systems that work well you have free secondary education, retraining and health care. everybody pays and sooner or later everybody takes... is this so bad?
Pretty naive to think that 'people are dying in the streets'. Obviously you've never been to a city hospital ER. America may not be perfect, but it sure beats other places I've been. I hope that you can find the way to use your anger more constructively.
I've heard health-care is 'slow' in Canada like that it'd take a couple years to get a transplant or whatever and i'm pretty sure its total bull but would like an opinion (obviously i'm American)
You have good points but you have to take it even further: the entire profit system is wrong and isn't in the best interest of the general public. the only kind of economic system that could eliminate competition completely and thus have of global unification is declaring all the worlds resources as common heritage of all the worlds people.
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silly canadian, is it moral for a majority of people to get together and decide how to spend the product of another man's effort? is it moral to force someone to pay for your personal misfortune? is it moral for every man to be a slave to every other man? your country (and sadly mine as well) is on a slippery slope to becoming a perverse marxist distopia.
everything i said was correct and that guy was nothing but an anarchic scumbag who would everybody else die just so he can keep a small portion of his money
also labeling everything as marxist is just fucking ridicioulus some people call everything that's paid for with tax money marxist
Pharmaceutical drug companies and the US Government are identical in how they fuck over all but the super rich. EVIL is an appropriate word. I might have to join you up there in Canada lol.
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you do realise that because of unjust "progressive taxes" the super rich pay far more taxes than you right? you have no just claim to the product of their effort! your just another leech looking for a strong and powerful host to suck dry.
Indeed. Curse anti-bacterials, anti-fungals, immunosuppressants, anti-inflammatories, anti-protozoans, anaesthetics, cytotoxins, anti-metabolites and the numerous other compounds that have served to alleviate suffering, eliminate disease and sustain human life. Those selfish, greedy, no-good pharmaceutical firms have been a blight.
Besides Obama's blatant and absurd lies about insurance companies "denying" people which has been sopundly refuted and corrected. The left has this distrubing afixiation with profit aka busines undercosnumption and market prices which are free and just unlike their "system" they have installed which has caused all the real problem with medical care in this country cost....The cost of regulations out the ass, taxes, more regs, LAWYERS greedily lying about so called "malpractice" etc. etc.
Another fascist creep with no mind and no heart. Slavery in injust and illegal but don't tell the crooked democraps that their immoral war on prosperity and earnings continues unabated all in an effort to destroy and take absolute power and control so they can enrich themselves and their commie cronies even more than the porkulus theft and many other thefts have already done.
Profit based eveyrthing is entirely correct you criminal fascist and thieves are violating the principle of underconsumption for consumers and business, that principle means savings for individuals and profits for business and it creates capital and provides an efficient capital structure. profit is the good thing and the problem with America is you criminals and your assault on it for 40 years that has drastically increaed hellcare costs, all procedes going to the greedy trial lawyers of course
One star. ReasonTV told me Canada's version of the FAA (NAV Canada) is privatized. If America didn't have for profit healthcare, ailing Canadians withering on waiting lists would have to be treated in Mexico or Cuba. Just ask Belinda Stronach.
Profits are maladjustments bewteen supply and demand. Profit is not the enemy socialist greed and criminal teheft is. Trial lawyers have caused medical prices to skyrocket along with regs and more regs. Insurance has gone up logically to cover the costs meaning higher premiums amplified by mandates and etc. As a result insurance has gone from 15-50 dollars a year in 1960 to the current levels all caused by state invention int he free market and democrap polciies. All designed to corrup
@simontimon2 haha, if I don't agree with you I do not care about curing these diseases, is this how you are manipulating? You don't get my point. Let me explain, back in the 80ies in Ireland a methode to cure cancer was applied using deep see algae and light therapy. It worked so well that they had to slow the process in order to give the body time to remove the destroyed cancer cells. It was relatively cheap. It should have been made available everywhere, but it hasn't. Not enough profit maybe?
Does your brother has a 'right' to surgery? Paid for - by whom? 'everyone', you say? What gives you the right to force everyone to spend their hard earned wealth on your brother's surgery? And what about the doctors, who personally invested their time and effort to go through medical school for their own sake, and you now force them to operate on your brother in a public hospital?
A right is something no one can take away from you. It is NOT something someone has to provide you with.
You could say since your brother needs the operation in order to live, then he should be provided it at the expense of everyone else. But need does not stake a claim on other people's property. If it did, any bum off the street could claim a right to your property.
And so far I have only touched the moral aspect. Consider the concrete based reality - Socialized healthcare doesn't perform as well as private healthcare. Just like anything else the government keeps prices artifically low.
kkoznarek, believing in evolution does not necessarily mean one disbelieve that morality comes from a higher power, also much of morality is rational in respects to a society as a whole, however it should be noted that most things that are almost universally believed to be moral, are altruistic, altruism is of great benefit to a species as a whole & thus would be a favored trait.
not only should your economic background not determine wether they are allowed to live, but neither should your nationality...
it pisses me off when people like joe wilson and other reps. criticize that illegal immigrants get to benefit from a reformed health care system (which is false accroding to obama's plan)
even if that were true, why is that bad? are we going to leave people sick because they're not americans?
thank god canada, france and other countries have a better sense of morals
There are many benefits in having a religious majority, as citizens become easier to screw over with further lies. Lies like .. oh yeah everything outside the blessed borders of US equals communism equals evil. So therefore everything foreign must be avoided at all cost. Private markets work but life is worth much more than gold. Justice never came for free, if you guys want fair health care you fight for it or stop complaining. Do something about it or move here (to modern Europe)
well here in the uk it is free, only they moan about having no budget but then fund breast implants and sex changes and shit, what the fuck is that about!?
Sex Changes help people with Gender Dysphoria feel happier in themselves, & lessens the likelihood that otherwise intelligent, reasonable-minded individuals suffer mental illness from their feelings of being/conforming to the wrong gender. Many Trans peoples (Trans-gendered) contribute in a big way to society. Also, its becoming increasingly apparent that Gender Dysphoria's source is not mental illness, but rather mental turmoil is -because- of their Gender Dysphoria. It's a real issue. Peace x
You are absolutely right. We need everyone to understand the immorality and inhumanity of our current system - that the for profit insurance companies must be eradicated from our health system - and to demand of our elected officials to make this foundational change, so that meaningful reform can then begin. Please watch my video, Healthcare Reform 101 - BLOODMONEY.
I don't think you are idealistic. This is a very articulate and well structured argument.We have The NHS in The UK which is designed to help everyone as a basic right. Part of our Welfare State. Not perfect but it does work. We can opt to go private if we can afford it. So there is a choice. I don't understand how The U.S. health service works exactly. I have no opinion since I am uninformed. If anyone can explain it to me in simple terms I'd be grateful
My question is "Where do you draw the line?" I know the thought of death panels may sound absurd but it does bring up a point, when do we stop doing treatments on people? If we could keep a man alive for another 2 months, but it would cost 1 million dollars of taxpayer's money, do we not do the treatment. That said, I am split on health care. One side of me says that if people should not be making money by denying care and the other side says that government programs are inheretly inefficient
The market is amoral. It flows to where the money is. Be it food, water or health care, if you do not have the money for it (insured or otherwise) you will not get it without some govt. intervention. The death panels the fear mongers have screeched about *DO* exist. They are the insurance companies who are fighting the universal option. They are BUSINESSES, and they remain profitable so long as they take in more than they pay out. So if they feel you are too expensive, they deny you.
Food is cheap relative to what? Non food items? It costs me more to buy a gallon of milk then a gallon of gas. But even still, how "cheap" something is, is irrelevant to the discussion of how "wrong" it is for something to be 'profit based.'
Private system will not solve anything!!! Implementing a private system does not create human resources, it only redistributes them. Dr's who switch from public to private perform less surgeries and hence less surgeries are being performed overall. The amount of people requiring Surgery is still exactly the same, but there are fewer surgeries done so waits increase in public system and not decrease - This has been observed in many countries that increases in private care = more waits in Public.
You have a 10,000 people to move from point A to point B and you have 10 747s to do this with. Would converting a portion of the planes to smaller 737s result in the 10K people getting to point B faster? No, any idiot will tell you it will take in fact longer. So why would a similar system in our health care result in faster care? The insurance industry is trying to convince us subtracting two positive numbers results in higher number. Any grade 1 kid can tell how stupid this concept sounds
To pre counter the arguement that private doctors can perform just as many surgeries as a public one. Reduced capacity is the only the way for a private doctor to offer faster care than a public Dr. If both public and private Dr.s perform the same amount of surgeries/ year it is not possible for a private Dr to offer faster care as case load is the same so he reduces his case load. Sorry for all the posts
1. Markets only work when there is an even distribution of information and you can walk away from an offer. When it is your life or your child's life you do not have the option to walk away. Health care does not fall under the laws of demand.
2. Those propagating that the government has no profit incentive and is therefore incompetent to provide health care need only to look at the extensive system the government has developed amid limited funds for veterans.
3. You could not have articulated it better. This not a question of socialist values or classical economics' revival but rather the United States consciously choosing to aim their policies in the direction of progress, liberalism, and equal opportunity.
The view in this video is too idealistic. Whats wrong with government based health care? The problem is precisely that its free(that is, if you dont count the massive tax increase) Everyone can take advantage of the system for any of the most mundane, noncritical health issues.'
Instead of those who can afford it having access to good healthcare, no one will have good healthcare as the standard of the over-exploited system drops precipitously.
How can anything be not for profit? How would that work?
Anyways, health care profits should be made by being more efficient than another guy, not by denying someone care. The problem is our laws let insurers kill people to make money. Massachusetts did alot of things right.
I didn't see it elsewhere in the comments, so FYI: Medicare is only for Americans over 65. So your brother would be screwed (like I was when I nearly died three years ago from not having insurance)
Medicaid however is for low income and special needs individuals. Don't get me wrong the system is still severely flawed. Who determines low income? At my income (which is very modest) I make about 2k a year too much to qualify for these sort of things. That 2 grand a year doesn't make health care affordable to me.
I agree with Sol 100%. It IS sick, and it IS unethical. The whole thing just makes me a little sad.
Yeah. I want my doctor to be so cash-strapped that he works two jobs and misdiagnoses my symptoms because he got 4 hours of sleep last night. Tell me something, do you expect to get paid for what you do for a living?
i'm open to the argument (though extremely skeptical) that the free market may have something to bring to health care in the united states. however, the point is of academic interest only, since the american market is totally dominated by massive corporations who abhor competition and rely on massive state and federal subsidies to maintain their position of discipline-free dominance. adam smith would laugh at the naivete with which we invoke his name in economic discussion.
I live in Norway and our police force is public, like in most other contries. But this is just a 'clever' cover up, cause everyone in this country knows they are there only for the rich.
100% agreed. the private system when it comes to business is fucked up. but unfortunately, for the free economy to work, some privatization is necessary. let's just hope they realize that people eventually realize that privatization for critical services is indeed wrong.
The reason why many blue collar workers vote and come out against their own interests is they are not allowed to think freely within their christian tribal groups. Any sort of deviation no matter how slight from the "tribal line" is seen as a threat to tribal unity. Naturally at the top of the heap in the christian tribe are the wealthy. They call the shots. Check out the politics of Yokeup here on YouTube as a good example of this sort of social dynamic.
it's actually the socialism/corporatism aspect of US health care system which has increased cost & decreased quality. forcing someone to do something against their will (treatment) is unethical. if a doctor wants to treat someone for free he can, but would you put a gun to his head to force him to? That's unethical. You're looking at this the wrong way; promising this coverage incentivizes abuse of the system. central planning fails & eventually runs out of other people's money to spend.
"Anything done by the state is done under the threat of violence."
Wrong. And even if there are cases, I am against use of violence. Though, there are exceptions when someone invades your property/attacks another being :)
Because that land you own and live on is worth nothing without government run and provided protection, electricity, plumbing, roads, transportation, etc. take your pick, and by not putting back into the system and paying your taxes you are LEACHING
What value does the government give my land. Me and my family maintain it. I cant even pay a separate company to take my garbage or substitute the cops for a Private firm.
It gives it value by providing those services, allowing you and your family to live on it. Without those modern services and technologies, your land would turn into a pre-historic shit hole being that it goes without water, electricity, or a standing police force to keep it from being raided by thieves. There are no private firms to do that instead because the government already does a perfectly good job at it, needing no private competition to fuck it up further like health insurance does.
health in insurance has so many regulations that it is not even close to a free market. The fact the police spend most of there time arresting people for victimless "crimes" increases the cost of keeping the sautes quo. I'm pretty sure that most people get electricity and water from private companies. So the only thing were really paying the goverment is to protect us from the criminals who take less from us then the goverment.
Since when were we talking about a free market? Why should I care? And whether or not the police abuse their power because of the government is a different question. It's not like private security ever arrested people for no reason, or beat them up and took their stuff right? And even though many utility companies may be privately owned, they still rely on a complex network of grids and generators to get that power and waterto the consumer. These grids are also government run and taxpayer funded
if you were to chose between a firm that abused there powere or one that didn't witch one would you chose. I can not chose not to pay the cops. The utilities should not be publicly funded.
The idea that you cannot 'choose' to pay the cops is made moot by the fact that you do have an indirect mode of power over them with your vote. And these government controlled institutions are ultimately controlled by us as citizens, despite this outlandish idea that people seem to have that the government is some out of control monster apparatus that is violent, unruly, and uncontainable. Ironically, this is what private companies have become, and you cannot deny this with an either-or fallacy.
so the majority is always right. What is wrong is wrong even if 90% of people say it is right. The only true authority cops have is what i give them without them using coercion or when they stop me from attacking another. You can not vote away my rights or what i produced. You can not tell me morally i must pay for a service i do not want or need. and if i do want you cant tell me i must buy it from him. It doese not matter if one or 6 billion people tell me i must pay u dont have the right to
Who said I was arguing for that? Why does favoring voting systems mean that you're for majority decisions in all circumstances? You're making up strawmen. And you still haven't answered my question: why would a private police force reduce power abuses and make things better overall? And as for what is moral, we could get into all sorts of debates over the social contract, but the basis of governments is that their ultimate purpose is to protect people, and to do that they must tax.
It's not putting words in peole's mouths. You are advocating the use of force to terrorize people into doing what you believe is right. That's the dictionary definition of terrorism. Call up the Oxford dictionary f you want but don't shoot the messenger.
"It's not putting words in peole's mouths. You are advocating the use of force to terrorize people into doing what you believe is right. That's the dictionary definition of terrorism. Call up the Oxford dictionary f you want but don't shoot the messenger."
Yes you ARE putting words in peoples mouthes. WHERE did I advocate violence against those who did not share my opinion? WHERE did I advocate violence to forcing people into a system I THINK would work better?
What happens if people refuse to pay their taxes to support this new system? The state uses violence against them. Anything done by the state is done under the threat of violence. You, therefore, advocate violence to implement your system of healthcare which you believe will be better. You are, therefore, a terrorist.
"What happens if people refuse to pay their taxes to support this new system? The state uses violence against them."
And that I disagree to that. If they don't pay their taxes to support the new system, don't let them in to the system. If you don't pay for your electricity, you won't get any. Violence is a no go.
So you, then, are effectively a brainpolice2-style anti-statist left-libertarian. That's what it sounds like anyway. That's fine, I don't have a problem with that kind of ideology. That's completely different to Obamacare though.
"You, therefore, advocate violence to implement your system of healthcare which you believe will be better. You are, therefore, a terrorist."
Wrong. Lets use your logic against you, you pay taxes don't you? I'm pretty sure you do, since you live in good ol' England.
Since you pay taxes, you are therefore an advocate for violence.
Can you see where I am getting here? Do you really want to use violence, NO, and neither do I. Now stop telling me I want to bloody someone up for not paying tax.
And before you make another response in an attempt to twist what I am saying further:
I do not advocate violence. However, I understand that there may be times where someone poses a danger to me, my friends, family and so on - in which case violence would be used as self defence.
Violence should be a last resort, I'm not keen on it, but like I said, last resort. No one should be beaten because they didn't pay their taxes.
No I can't see where you are going. I pay taxes because if I don't want to be put in a cage.
Obamacare will hurt people for not paying for Obamacare. If you advocate voluntary socialism then fine but that completely different to state socialism which what is being talked about on this video.
all the comments on this video seem to think the us has a free market. There are countless regulations. Drugs have to be proven to help nearly everyone instead of just a few and even then you have to ask permission to put something in your own body.
It's the status quo in America; there's nothing coherent or ethical about the system as it is but people always have to argue for their point if they're against the 'norms' no matter how screwed up the norms are. People hate change.
The free market capitalists have their arguments but the evidence is on the side of universal health. Markets are powerful but also dangerous; it can be more profitable to deliver less efficient treatment, when power-relations are skewed and geography plays a part.
The more I think about it, the more I think that the free markets are ruining the country. You can't do without healthcare. You can do without the widescreen tv or the I-Pod, but you cannot do without healthcare. I believe such a thing would go under the general wellfare clause of the US Constitution. Healthcare costs would be controlled by Congress for our benefit.
You are 100% correct on this one. I recently was layed off from my job and I had to do without healthcare, I had a gallbladder attack and had to have it removed without insurance. Now I have to file for bankruptcy because there is no way I can afford the bill. Living in the states have been pure hell for me because I was born into a poor family with no way out. Thanks for doing vids like this, people in the states need to wake the hell up.
LearningAsIGo80 6 days ago
Old video Sol but I'm just seeing it now & some of the comments are absurd. You can easily spot the rich sons of bitches who try desperately to justify their arguments for lower taxes on the rich. They seem to forget that factories, shops, bars, & other such businesses, dont exactly pay salaries in the 100k-250k bracket. Someone has to work in these industries or there'd be no milk with your coffee in the morning. So do these hard working people on low incomes not deserve to have life & health?
captain0j 11 months ago
Back around October of last year, there was an incident in Tennessee where a town had taken the fire department off the public tax list. The citizens had to pay a specific monthly fee of $75 in order to be covered by the county. As you can imagine, a house caught fire that belonged to a family that did not pay. The fire department came, and simply watched it burn down, waiting for it to spread to a house that had paid. It made me ashamed of my race.
kazen2 1 year ago
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Lets all pay to save the life of the smokeing, fast food eating slobs that don't seem to care about their life. There should be no obligation in prioritising these people over those who care about their health. When people begin to care about their health and PREVENT illness I may start listening.
mibzlord 1 year ago
Lets all pay to save the life of the smokeing, fast food eating slobs that don't seem to care about their life. There should be no obligation in prioritising these people over those who care about their health. When people begin to care about their health and PREVENT ilness I may start listening.
mibzlord 1 year ago
Lets all pay to save the life of the smokeing, fast food eating slobs that don't seem to care about their life. There should be no obligation in prioitising these people over those who care about their health. When people begin to care about their health and PREVENT ilness I may start listening.
mibzlord 1 year ago
Everything is based on profits. Find a non profit organization out there that doesn't pay its employees salaries. Often non profit organizations pay their staff members higher salaries than other companies. Doctors need to get paid. That's profit. Nurses need to get paid. That's profit. Anyone who argues that this is non profit is a liar, a scumbag, and a libtard socialist twat.
SeeProfileForDetails 1 year ago
@SeeProfileForDetails - Salary's are an expense of a business, not a profit. Profit by definition is something that the owners of a business take home after all costs have been paid. Salaries by definition, are part of the expenditure of a business. Do you understand, or would you like me to explain it to you like I would a 5 year old? Moron
captain0j 11 months ago
@captain0j you need to be profitable in order to pay salaries, the owner of the business can simply work a few hours and pay himself $60/hour because he feels like it, even though he might only be worth $15/hour. There are always ways to give out your profits and hide them in salaries.
SeeProfileForDetails 11 months ago
@sol why don't you try removing the bongs from the shelves behind you before you preach ethics and morals you ass hat
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
Yes, because smoking cannabis, even just once, removes all credibility you have in discussion. Herp de derp derp.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 that and it also shows the complete asinine hypocrisy you have. To preach morals and ethics regardign the health care system when you obviously smoke, number 1 an illegal substance, number 2 a substance which untold amounts of people and law enforcement officers have lost their lives over due to cartel violence and mayhem so that your cannabis can be smuggled into Canada and the US. In short you're a hypocritical asswipe. Number 3 the fact that you smoke it goes to the point of
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
>an illegal substance
It was made illegal in Canada because people feared it would make white women sleep with "undesirable" races. Story in the US is virtually the same. Ever wonder why its colloquially named marijuana? Thats due to a smear campaign which used a Mexican name for cannabis because it sounded scary and foreign.
>law enforcement officers have lost their lives
If it wasn't illegal, the price for it wouldn't be high, and people wouldn't be willing to kill for it. Derp.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@Sol of you being an uneducated imbecile as the evidence for cancer causing agents in cannabis is absolute, it is almost universally acknowledged as a gateway drug by the medical community and what's worse is you make the same tired asshat arguments that have been around since the 60's like it or not hippie cigarettes are a socially and morally accepted product to be used pot isn't. Added to which, nobody has brain capacity and function diminish from tobacco the same can't be said of pot
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
>cancer causing agents in cannabis
Cannabis does not cause cancer, in fact, the cannabinoids within it have an interesting anti-tumour effect. This effect has been published in a subset of Nature, as well as Oxford journals. A simple google search could find you a host of links to the abstracts.
Studies of medical records, such as the one by Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine, show that there is no link of cannabis to increased cancer rates.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@Sol hey jack off :Can marijuana cause cancer?
Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that had been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory test, the tars from marijuana smoke have produced tumors when applied to animal skin.
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
>precancerous, cancer-causing agents
But then, why is it that long term studies of health records do not find a correlation between cannabis smoking and cancer once you control for cigarette use?
I'm not arguing that there are no nasty agents in cannabis smoke - of course there are. It is smoke after all. What I'm trying to bring attention to is that there are other properties to cannabis smoke then just cancerous agents - cannabinoids with their anti-tumour effects for example.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
Name the studies? No offense kid, but I have an MS Degree, I know something about variables, case studies, quantitative analysis etc.. your a Canadian kid posting from your bed room with bongs as room decor, I'm not really putting a lot merit into your interpretation of the case studies and research I referenced. Secondly, you acknowledge that pot smoke has many bad properties, and frankly the medical beneifits of pot smoke are coming under increasing scrutiny as being bullshit but I digress.
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
Yeah, you still haven't explained why long term medical record studies find no correlation between cannabis use and cancer risk once you control for tobacco use. I don't care how you view my interpretation, but thats a pretty big hole in your theory.
>I have an MS Degree
Funny how you got that far through school without learning how to use spell check or prevent run on sentences.
Protip - no one cares if you claim you are educated online - make a good argument or shut up.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
I don't care about the occassional type-o or incorrect spelling on a YT posting there Noam Chomskey. Secondly, as you keep saying and I keep asking, WHAT LONG TERM STUDIES? Unless you can cite multiple as in more than two studies and cite them specifically your very unspecific " long term medical studies" line sounds like bs, and there are MULTIPLE studies showing correlation between all forms of brain damage and cancers associated with long term pot use, and I gave them to you with specifics
bnsaints 1 year ago
Pot is dangerous, the one difference is despite 40 years of bullshit propoganda, and hippie protest and earth day asshats pontificating there is NO causative link showing cigarettes 100% cause lung cancer. That is evidenced by the fact that you can not find one ONE death certificate ANYWHERE that lists Cigarettee smoke as the cause of death. Do I think cigarettes are healthy? NO do I think tobacco is on the same plain as weed morally, or medically NOPE. By the way I think your comments show
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
>there is NO causative link showing cigarettes 100% cause lung cancer.
Yeah, there's just this little thing called an extremely strong correlation. That doesn't exist for cannabis and cancer.
That MS degree sure hasn't made your analysis of data very enlightening.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
rank hypocrissy, I might add to you that all those racist who decided to call in Marijuana as you claim, well they don't make the laws in Mexico where pot is illegal and all those cartels are killing MEXICANS to smuggle POT not coke, not dust, not meth, not crack or heroine but good old pot Cheech. You seem to Fred Astaire like glide right past that during your moral rant on the evils of profit based health care, thousands of civilains and law enforcement people have DIED
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
>acknowledged as a gateway drug
Actually, no. The gateway idea is rejected by pretty much everybody except those who it is in their financial interest to say otherwise, like the DEA.
In fact, new studies show that cannabis is not a gateway drug, but a terminus drug (Predictors of Marijuana Use in Adolescents Before and After Licit Drug Use: Examination of the Gateway Hypothesis. 2006. American Journal of Psychiatry 163: 2134-2140.)
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@bnsaints
>cigarettes are a socially and morally accepted product to be used pot isn't
Yeah, because prevailing social views have never been wrong before! Women should have stayed in the kitchen and never been allowed to vote! People should be arrested for being gay! The world really is flat!
All this shows is that decades of propaganda introduced at a young age by moneyed interests can be effective in blocking evidence based discussion and policy.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.
Source:MISSOURI DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH
Division of Alcohol and Drug Abuse
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bnsaints 1 year ago
want another? h ttp :// news.bbc .co.uk/2/hi/health/7869709.stm
Marijuana testicular cancer link
Yeah those quacks at the BBC must be advancing their propoganda on this one you asswipe.
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
The testicular link study worked by asking cancer patients if they've ever smoked weed. By that methodology, you could ask cancer patients how many chairs they have sat in throughout their lives and come to the conclusion that chairs cause testicular cancer.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
National Academy of Science.. An average marijuana cigarette contains 30 nanograms of this carcinogen, compared to 21 nanograms in an average tobacco cigarette (Marijuana and Health, National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine report,1982). This potent carcinogen suppresses a gene that controls growth of cells. When this gene is damaged, the body becomes more susceptible to cancer. This gene, P53, is related to half of all human cancers and as many as 70% of lung cancers) must be hype!
bnsaints 1 year ago
Marijuana Damages DNA And May Cause Cancer, New Test Reveals
ScienceDaily (June 15, 2009) — Using a highly sensitive new test, scientists in Europe are reporting "convincing evidence" that marijuana smoke damages the genetic material DNA in ways that could increase the risk of cancer. I can post hundreds of these from National and International science, medical and health organizations. Name one medical journal, or Med School or Science academy who has debunked the gateway argument ?
bnsaints 1 year ago
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bnsaints 1 year ago
In response to your asinine rant about evil etc... I find it evil, vile and sick, that you would have the balls and the tamarity to obligate other peoples money based on your moral code. If the proposition was advanced to all you fucking leftist hippes that if YOU want to have socilaized medicine, a special box will be checked on YOUR tax returns to deliniate a larger portion of YOUR money to pay for those programs, if that was put out there all you asshats would whine and cry about fairness
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
I'm a middle class person, and I live in Canada.
In other words, I'm going to be paying a fuck load of taxes throughout my life. I don't mind paying them, if I know that hopefully some of it is going towards people who need help. There will be abuse, but if assistance is necessary it is worth the cost.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
@bnsaints
The sociopathic dribble you are spouting however has at its core one fatal weakness, the same weakness that plagues most of the philosophies of the rich - the illusion of isolation.
All the health care privileges from your job won't stop poor people from contracting and incubating dangerous diseases to the point that they mutate to something more dangerous. The health of the herd affects the health of the individual. It is in our best interest that everyone receives care.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
or more accurately have been MURDERED by Pot smugglers, the same pot you so arogantly enjoy, but your argument is that if it were legal then those tragedies would not exist, again demonstrating your moral and logical hypocrisy, intellectual hoensty would dictate that as long as the product you support is ILLEGAL you don't use it, you can advocate for its legalization all you want but once you use it, you are defcto contributing to the market for that product, the market that creates, MURDER and
bnsaints 1 year ago
mayhe, in other words you're a fucking hypocrite as are most pot heads, but hey you can toke up and get high up ther in Orangville or London or Vancouver or whatever the hell other place you are, all safe and secure smoking the cheeba and bemoaning the moral crime that paying for health care supposedly is. I can't imagine the sonic boom that would occur when you pull your head out of your ass kid.
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
Oh boy, here's the funny thing. I haven't smoked in months. I've smoked in the past, but right now, i have nothing to loose nor gain from the discussion of cannabis legality.
And yes, if pot was legal, people wouldn't get fucking shot over it. People were shot over underground alcohol sales during prohibition, but when booze became legal people stopped getting wasted over alcohol sales, and the underground lost a cash crop.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
Moonshine is still big business in certain parts of America sherlock, besides I thought O Canada offered free everything, health care,welfare, college etc..So why haven't you taken advantage of all the Great White North has to offer? By getting a degree?? I made a few type-o's so my Master of Science Degree goes out the window,but you post from your bedroom with bongs and airsoft guns as the backdrop and somehow your intellect is equivilant to GK Chesterton. Ah the Canadian mentality at work.
bnsaints 1 year ago
and everybody doing their share and healthcare is a right etc... Your argument is absolutely straw man, the reason why health care is as expensive as it is in the US is primarily based on our absurdly litigious society that sues for everything, IE medical malpractice insurance and your godly social programs like Medicare and Medicade are fraud laden and a license to commmit theft. As a result things are more expensive, additionally one of the things that thank god separates us from Canada is
bnsaints 1 year ago
is the belief that there is no such thing as a free lunch, if you can't pay for something, get another job, stay healthy, take care of yourself, thats the real world kid ( not Canada) where most of the time things aren't fair so even if you take care of yourself like you said of your brother sometimes things just suck, kinda like life you pansy. Chris,t you're a military brat? I'm sure your parent who spent a life of duty and honor and discipline as a soldier must be proud of you and your bongs
bnsaints 1 year ago
@bnsaints
Actually, my father actually spotted me when I took a hit of salvia. Do you know why? Because I explained why I was doing it, calmly and accurately, and was honest about the risks.
Honesty, open mindedness, and maturity. Terrifying eh?
And yes, reality isn't fair. It never has been, and it probably never will be. But that doesn't stop us from trying to make it a bit fairer, does it? By your logic, there would be no point trying to solve crimes - the world is just unfair right?
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago
Great points! It's time to make a New system which actually Supports us- a 'Life Support' system- rather than this Fucked-Up system which only serves to Profit a Few at the Cost of Many! This Debt system is a Death system. It makes No Sense as a Species to have a system which Hinders and Abuses us, and all life as well. It's time for Equality and an Equal Money System, so everyone has access to their needs and No One has to Suffer!
KellyPosey 1 year ago
exactly! and what does financially succesful really mean? That the person in the fight for survival has defeated others who now have to little money, you can hardly call that a succes
MartijndeGraaf1001 1 year ago
Very cool. This is the system we have allowed, A system disregarding Life in general. Everything is linked to profit, the profit for few personalities that have been trained to abuse, like we all have been. Money has become the main motivator for all of us to work and act, according to the systems rules, so that we will get money to buy us "in", to buy our right to live. EVIL, indeed. Live itself should become our motivation. We are one and Equal as life.Self honesty & Equal Money are solution.
NeumannBastian 1 year ago 5
Profit based health care is non-effective and abusive, because as long as something is base don profit, it is dependant on profit and will not do whats best for all, but looking for ways to make thhe most profit, and require certain things for the profit to exist.
SpamAnn 1 year ago 2
Cool Video - I agree, a World System which base Health Care on Money is an Atrocity and complete mis-understanding as who we are as Life. If Interested in investigating a group that is actually taking this point on and Developing a New World System, Explore Desteni and Equal Money System. There are a group of people who are seeing the same problems as expressed in this video and are in the works of creating a NEW System not based on Profit, but rather Life and Equality.
desteniCANADA 1 year ago 21
@desteniCANADA
I agree ! Equal Money will be the best Solution to change this profit-organisation called health care system.
It´s a birthright for everybody to get an worthy support from the heath-care-system but so long its based on profit it isn´t for the best of all.
I am 1 Vote for Equal Money
klausibaba6 1 year ago
This man opened himself up to criticism. So give it to him guys. He is almost brilliant for what he said in my opinion. Almost is 99.9%. Take that into factor and you could easily get pregnant girls. Take a look at the statistics though. Would you trust someone .01% with full voice, or would you trust his guys words 99.9%. Take your chance.
triptows 1 year ago
Isn't condemning people to a system that almost guarantees zero medical advancement "evil".
Isn't condemning people to a system with zero consumer downward pressure on prices for medical treatment "evil" because the state does not have infinite resources to pay for escalating medical cost.
If you live in the USA and get sick, you are more likely to live, yes you may have to pay out of pocket but what used to be expensive 20 years ago is now affordable to normal people due to market forces.
EasyEs 1 year ago
I think your heart is in the right place and that you argued your position quite well, but your ethical premises are misplaced. The first question to ask is not "is profit-based healthcare wrong?"; rather, we should ask whether individuals have the right to use force against others to achieve their own ends. Your question is not unimportant, but it doesn't supersede the most foundational, fundamental moral axiom of all, the non-aggression principle. Government necessarily violates the NAP.
Humpipe 1 year ago
There are limited resources in healthcare as there are in all things. How do we distribute those resources? Should they be decided by currency or by a govt. entity? I don't think either is compassionate or fair, but I'd have to go with the former.
EternallyRecurring 1 year ago
@kkoznarek Morality is a man made concept. It is what allows us to function as a pack animal or civil society. There are rules that must be followed in order for cooperating organisms to function together. We call those rules morality. You can say they came from God. I say they came for understanding between humans.
EternallyRecurring 1 year ago
How quickly did your brother receive treatment in Canada?
Was it exceptional?
How much did you have to pay?
Did you have to pay?
How much do you pay in taxes for that program?
I ask out of genuine curiosity.
christoph2005 1 year ago
@christoph2005 - Forgot to ask him for his credit card number
captain0j 11 months ago
The medical guild in the U.S. has done a wonderful job of restricting the supply of medical professionals while amplifying demand for their services, thus inflating the wages of doctors. This is the principal cause of high costs. Insurance companies enjoy an average profit margin of around 5%, something that isn't especially impressive or significant. The majority of their revenue is directed not to shareholders, but to practitioners. If remedied, prices would decline and affordability increase.
gunman806 1 year ago
Forcing the entire population to subsidize medical care through coercion is somehow less unethical than voluntary exchanges between consumers and medical professionals? Establishing a legal monopsony and subordinating individuals to the whole isn't a necessary condition for ensuring that consumers can attain medical services if they choose to do so, traditional market mediums are sufficient.
gunman806 1 year ago
@gunman806 "if they choose to do so traditional market mediums are sufficient"
sooner or later everyone has to "choose". regulate how much a practitioner makes... why that sounds like socialism! also, insurance rates are horrendous b/c you people will sue for anything and for stupid amounts of money.
if you look at social systems that work well you have free secondary education, retraining and health care. everybody pays and sooner or later everybody takes... is this so bad?
RedLetterChristian 1 year ago
Pretty naive to think that 'people are dying in the streets'. Obviously you've never been to a city hospital ER. America may not be perfect, but it sure beats other places I've been. I hope that you can find the way to use your anger more constructively.
pmar42 1 year ago
I've heard health-care is 'slow' in Canada like that it'd take a couple years to get a transplant or whatever and i'm pretty sure its total bull but would like an opinion (obviously i'm American)
junglefresssh 2 years ago
You have good points but you have to take it even further: the entire profit system is wrong and isn't in the best interest of the general public. the only kind of economic system that could eliminate competition completely and thus have of global unification is declaring all the worlds resources as common heritage of all the worlds people.
HayteStreet 2 years ago
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fortruth8989 2 years ago
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silly canadian, is it moral for a majority of people to get together and decide how to spend the product of another man's effort? is it moral to force someone to pay for your personal misfortune? is it moral for every man to be a slave to every other man? your country (and sadly mine as well) is on a slippery slope to becoming a perverse marxist distopia.
HamsterFueledRocket 2 years ago
Unlike you we actually help our fellow brothers in need! Unlike you bastards
alpha0710 2 years ago
@alpha0710 - Where exactly are you from?
captain0j 11 months ago
@captain0j
Canada
alpha0710 11 months ago
yeah right then let's eliminate police, school and all that stuff that is paid for with taxes too.
your being so fucking hypocritical there i can barely fathom it
you know that humanity is depended on being a SOCIAL species?
without helping each other out all societies would break down
your just egotistical scum
ChuckNorris130194 2 years ago
@ChuckNorris130194 - Your comment makes no sense. You have no logical purpose in society
captain0j 11 months ago
@captain0j wtf are you going on about?
everything i said was correct and that guy was nothing but an anarchic scumbag who would everybody else die just so he can keep a small portion of his money
also labeling everything as marxist is just fucking ridicioulus some people call everything that's paid for with tax money marxist
and that last insult was just adorable
what next? tell me to "get a life"?
grow up
ChuckNorris130194 11 months ago
Pharmaceutical drug companies and the US Government are identical in how they fuck over all but the super rich. EVIL is an appropriate word. I might have to join you up there in Canada lol.
MonkayMan 2 years ago
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you do realise that because of unjust "progressive taxes" the super rich pay far more taxes than you right? you have no just claim to the product of their effort! your just another leech looking for a strong and powerful host to suck dry.
HamsterFueledRocket 2 years ago
@HamsterFueledRocket - Spot the rich asshole. (That would be you by the way)
captain0j 11 months ago
@captain0j I'm not rich at all.
HamsterFueledRocket 11 months ago
Indeed. Curse anti-bacterials, anti-fungals, immunosuppressants, anti-inflammatories, anti-protozoans, anaesthetics, cytotoxins, anti-metabolites and the numerous other compounds that have served to alleviate suffering, eliminate disease and sustain human life. Those selfish, greedy, no-good pharmaceutical firms have been a blight.
gunman806 1 year ago
Besides Obama's blatant and absurd lies about insurance companies "denying" people which has been sopundly refuted and corrected. The left has this distrubing afixiation with profit aka busines undercosnumption and market prices which are free and just unlike their "system" they have installed which has caused all the real problem with medical care in this country cost....The cost of regulations out the ass, taxes, more regs, LAWYERS greedily lying about so called "malpractice" etc. etc.
deltapunk21 2 years ago
Another fascist creep with no mind and no heart. Slavery in injust and illegal but don't tell the crooked democraps that their immoral war on prosperity and earnings continues unabated all in an effort to destroy and take absolute power and control so they can enrich themselves and their commie cronies even more than the porkulus theft and many other thefts have already done.
deltapunk21 2 years ago
@deltapunk21 - What the fuck are you talkin about? Do you even know yourself?
captain0j 11 months ago
Profit based eveyrthing is entirely correct you criminal fascist and thieves are violating the principle of underconsumption for consumers and business, that principle means savings for individuals and profits for business and it creates capital and provides an efficient capital structure. profit is the good thing and the problem with America is you criminals and your assault on it for 40 years that has drastically increaed hellcare costs, all procedes going to the greedy trial lawyers of course
deltapunk21 2 years ago
One star. ReasonTV told me Canada's version of the FAA (NAV Canada) is privatized. If America didn't have for profit healthcare, ailing Canadians withering on waiting lists would have to be treated in Mexico or Cuba. Just ask Belinda Stronach.
order9066 2 years ago 2
Profits are maladjustments bewteen supply and demand. Profit is not the enemy socialist greed and criminal teheft is. Trial lawyers have caused medical prices to skyrocket along with regs and more regs. Insurance has gone up logically to cover the costs meaning higher premiums amplified by mandates and etc. As a result insurance has gone from 15-50 dollars a year in 1960 to the current levels all caused by state invention int he free market and democrap polciies. All designed to corrup
deltapunk21 2 years ago
What's the point in investing in medical breaks throws if you can't make money off it?
What about the people who will die from medical break thoughts that didn't happened.
Why invest millions in a cure for cancer when you can't make any money off it.
The greatest life saving inventions where invented in a for profit system.
simontimon2 2 years ago 3
@simontimon2 the medicins that are being produced atm aren't necessarily the best for mankind, but the most profitable.
MartijndeGraaf1001 1 year ago
@MartijndeGraaf1001 A list of the top 5 medical breakthroughs in the US in 2010
HIV Vaccine (testing phase)
Cancer Prevention and Treatment
Alzheimer’s Cure
Heart Attack Prevention
Safer Blood Thinner
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 proving what?
MartijndeGraaf1001 1 year ago
@MartijndeGraaf1001 It proves that there are medicins produced in the private sector that are necessarily for mankind.
Unless you don't care about HIV Vaccine, Cancer Prevention and Treatment, Alzheimer’s Cure, Heart Attack Prevention, and Safer Blood Thinner.
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 haha, if I don't agree with you I do not care about curing these diseases, is this how you are manipulating? You don't get my point. Let me explain, back in the 80ies in Ireland a methode to cure cancer was applied using deep see algae and light therapy. It worked so well that they had to slow the process in order to give the body time to remove the destroyed cancer cells. It was relatively cheap. It should have been made available everywhere, but it hasn't. Not enough profit maybe?
MartijndeGraaf1001 1 year ago
@MartijndeGraaf1001 Maybe that form of treating cancer didn't work. And people like you just use a consperacy theory to explane why it did work.
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 first you manipulate, now you insult. I am done with you.
MartijndeGraaf1001 1 year ago
@MartijndeGraaf1001 Sure your but a common denier of the facts that don't fit your marxist believes.
No different then a religious person that denies facts that challenges there believes.
simontimon2 1 year ago
@simontimon2 - What's your point?
captain0j 11 months ago
@simontimon2 - You value money above human life and the improvement of health. You should be shot
captain0j 11 months ago
So you think that people who don't believe what you believe should be exterminated.
How does make you any better person than Hitler.
he to believed in universal health care.
simontimon2 11 months ago
Does your brother has a 'right' to surgery? Paid for - by whom? 'everyone', you say? What gives you the right to force everyone to spend their hard earned wealth on your brother's surgery? And what about the doctors, who personally invested their time and effort to go through medical school for their own sake, and you now force them to operate on your brother in a public hospital?
A right is something no one can take away from you. It is NOT something someone has to provide you with.
NotThat3 2 years ago
You could say since your brother needs the operation in order to live, then he should be provided it at the expense of everyone else. But need does not stake a claim on other people's property. If it did, any bum off the street could claim a right to your property.
And so far I have only touched the moral aspect. Consider the concrete based reality - Socialized healthcare doesn't perform as well as private healthcare. Just like anything else the government keeps prices artifically low.
NotThat3 2 years ago 2
Just to let you know,US Medicare is only for people over 65. Under that it's Medicaid, which pretty much only covers wards of state.
Fuctmentality 2 years ago
kkoznarek, believing in evolution does not necessarily mean one disbelieve that morality comes from a higher power, also much of morality is rational in respects to a society as a whole, however it should be noted that most things that are almost universally believed to be moral, are altruistic, altruism is of great benefit to a species as a whole & thus would be a favored trait.
Fuctmentality 2 years ago
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simontimon2 2 years ago
not only should your economic background not determine wether they are allowed to live, but neither should your nationality...
it pisses me off when people like joe wilson and other reps. criticize that illegal immigrants get to benefit from a reformed health care system (which is false accroding to obama's plan)
even if that were true, why is that bad? are we going to leave people sick because they're not americans?
thank god canada, france and other countries have a better sense of morals
elnegrobembon 2 years ago
thats a good fucking question.
what the fuck is the goal of insurance company's?
to make a profit or give health care?
rainin 2 years ago
I don't like seeing fellow sentient beings suffer, and I find that violence and hate only holds us back as a species.
The fact that morality evolved in any way is a good sign - it means that kindness has actually out competed distrust and hate before.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
There are many benefits in having a religious majority, as citizens become easier to screw over with further lies. Lies like .. oh yeah everything outside the blessed borders of US equals communism equals evil. So therefore everything foreign must be avoided at all cost. Private markets work but life is worth much more than gold. Justice never came for free, if you guys want fair health care you fight for it or stop complaining. Do something about it or move here (to modern Europe)
mrsepek 2 years ago
well here in the uk it is free, only they moan about having no budget but then fund breast implants and sex changes and shit, what the fuck is that about!?
alfjerk 2 years ago
Sex Changes help people with Gender Dysphoria feel happier in themselves, & lessens the likelihood that otherwise intelligent, reasonable-minded individuals suffer mental illness from their feelings of being/conforming to the wrong gender. Many Trans peoples (Trans-gendered) contribute in a big way to society. Also, its becoming increasingly apparent that Gender Dysphoria's source is not mental illness, but rather mental turmoil is -because- of their Gender Dysphoria. It's a real issue. Peace x
EllyMcCormack 2 years ago
You are absolutely right. We need everyone to understand the immorality and inhumanity of our current system - that the for profit insurance companies must be eradicated from our health system - and to demand of our elected officials to make this foundational change, so that meaningful reform can then begin. Please watch my video, Healthcare Reform 101 - BLOODMONEY.
DrJHAdams 2 years ago
Yeah but... socialised healthcare is fascist communism...
Facepalm.. Glad I live in europe...
It's strange to see people argue AGAINST their own interests
sbtech01 2 years ago
I don't think you are idealistic. This is a very articulate and well structured argument.We have The NHS in The UK which is designed to help everyone as a basic right. Part of our Welfare State. Not perfect but it does work. We can opt to go private if we can afford it. So there is a choice. I don't understand how The U.S. health service works exactly. I have no opinion since I am uninformed. If anyone can explain it to me in simple terms I'd be grateful
FIFTY2WEEKS 2 years ago
My question is "Where do you draw the line?" I know the thought of death panels may sound absurd but it does bring up a point, when do we stop doing treatments on people? If we could keep a man alive for another 2 months, but it would cost 1 million dollars of taxpayer's money, do we not do the treatment. That said, I am split on health care. One side of me says that if people should not be making money by denying care and the other side says that government programs are inheretly inefficient
Disneyworld99 2 years ago
The market is amoral. It flows to where the money is. Be it food, water or health care, if you do not have the money for it (insured or otherwise) you will not get it without some govt. intervention. The death panels the fear mongers have screeched about *DO* exist. They are the insurance companies who are fighting the universal option. They are BUSINESSES, and they remain profitable so long as they take in more than they pay out. So if they feel you are too expensive, they deny you.
RabidPetRocks 2 years ago
Selling food for profit is unethical.
MotionFur 2 years ago 3
food is relatively cheap healthcare is not.
sbtech01 2 years ago
Food is cheap relative to what? Non food items? It costs me more to buy a gallon of milk then a gallon of gas. But even still, how "cheap" something is, is irrelevant to the discussion of how "wrong" it is for something to be 'profit based.'
MotionFur 2 years ago
Private system will not solve anything!!! Implementing a private system does not create human resources, it only redistributes them. Dr's who switch from public to private perform less surgeries and hence less surgeries are being performed overall. The amount of people requiring Surgery is still exactly the same, but there are fewer surgeries done so waits increase in public system and not decrease - This has been observed in many countries that increases in private care = more waits in Public.
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
You have a 10,000 people to move from point A to point B and you have 10 747s to do this with. Would converting a portion of the planes to smaller 737s result in the 10K people getting to point B faster? No, any idiot will tell you it will take in fact longer. So why would a similar system in our health care result in faster care? The insurance industry is trying to convince us subtracting two positive numbers results in higher number. Any grade 1 kid can tell how stupid this concept sounds
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
To pre counter the arguement that private doctors can perform just as many surgeries as a public one. Reduced capacity is the only the way for a private doctor to offer faster care than a public Dr. If both public and private Dr.s perform the same amount of surgeries/ year it is not possible for a private Dr to offer faster care as case load is the same so he reduces his case load. Sorry for all the posts
SparwoodApple 2 years ago
2:55 so true, buildings are so much more important than people. Thats why health care is private coz they don't give a shit.
kaxitaksi 2 years ago 2
We sell property in order to live ALL THE TIME solrosenberg.
migkillertwo 2 years ago
1. Markets only work when there is an even distribution of information and you can walk away from an offer. When it is your life or your child's life you do not have the option to walk away. Health care does not fall under the laws of demand.
maggiejean23 2 years ago
2. Those propagating that the government has no profit incentive and is therefore incompetent to provide health care need only to look at the extensive system the government has developed amid limited funds for veterans.
3. You could not have articulated it better. This not a question of socialist values or classical economics' revival but rather the United States consciously choosing to aim their policies in the direction of progress, liberalism, and equal opportunity.
maggiejean23 2 years ago
You have to help people and tend to demand as a means to profit.
An entrepreneur's goal is always to profit in some way.
Through good service you will earn good profit.
Anon1696 2 years ago
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CaseyS3435 2 years ago
The view in this video is too idealistic. Whats wrong with government based health care? The problem is precisely that its free(that is, if you dont count the massive tax increase) Everyone can take advantage of the system for any of the most mundane, noncritical health issues.'
Instead of those who can afford it having access to good healthcare, no one will have good healthcare as the standard of the over-exploited system drops precipitously.
lemonlime9999 2 years ago
How can anything be not for profit? How would that work?
Anyways, health care profits should be made by being more efficient than another guy, not by denying someone care. The problem is our laws let insurers kill people to make money. Massachusetts did alot of things right.
raunchbear 2 years ago
I didn't see it elsewhere in the comments, so FYI: Medicare is only for Americans over 65. So your brother would be screwed (like I was when I nearly died three years ago from not having insurance)
tinkabella83 2 years ago
Medicaid however is for low income and special needs individuals. Don't get me wrong the system is still severely flawed. Who determines low income? At my income (which is very modest) I make about 2k a year too much to qualify for these sort of things. That 2 grand a year doesn't make health care affordable to me.
I agree with Sol 100%. It IS sick, and it IS unethical. The whole thing just makes me a little sad.
incubus022 2 years ago
Yeah. I want my doctor to be so cash-strapped that he works two jobs and misdiagnoses my symptoms because he got 4 hours of sleep last night. Tell me something, do you expect to get paid for what you do for a living?
IMCcanTWEESTED 2 years ago
i'm open to the argument (though extremely skeptical) that the free market may have something to bring to health care in the united states. however, the point is of academic interest only, since the american market is totally dominated by massive corporations who abhor competition and rely on massive state and federal subsidies to maintain their position of discipline-free dominance. adam smith would laugh at the naivete with which we invoke his name in economic discussion.
dust4ngel 2 years ago
too true- uninsured american
stjimmy933499399493 2 years ago
Hey folks, it's SolRosenber84 here...
mooktank 2 years ago
Definitely lots of strawmans in here. Its unfortunate that I have to disagree with most atheists on almost all political issues.
SuperAtheistBrothers 2 years ago
I live in Norway and our police force is public, like in most other contries. But this is just a 'clever' cover up, cause everyone in this country knows they are there only for the rich.
iPhap 2 years ago
yeah i agree with you man it sucks and is messed up...
DisforDubby 2 years ago
100% agreed. the private system when it comes to business is fucked up. but unfortunately, for the free economy to work, some privatization is necessary. let's just hope they realize that people eventually realize that privatization for critical services is indeed wrong.
joegt123 2 years ago
Oh I agree with you 100%.
The reason why many blue collar workers vote and come out against their own interests is they are not allowed to think freely within their christian tribal groups. Any sort of deviation no matter how slight from the "tribal line" is seen as a threat to tribal unity. Naturally at the top of the heap in the christian tribe are the wealthy. They call the shots. Check out the politics of Yokeup here on YouTube as a good example of this sort of social dynamic.
KasparHauser4 2 years ago
it's actually the socialism/corporatism aspect of US health care system which has increased cost & decreased quality. forcing someone to do something against their will (treatment) is unethical. if a doctor wants to treat someone for free he can, but would you put a gun to his head to force him to? That's unethical. You're looking at this the wrong way; promising this coverage incentivizes abuse of the system. central planning fails & eventually runs out of other people's money to spend.
loeverate 2 years ago
"Anything done by the state is done under the threat of violence."
Wrong. And even if there are cases, I am against use of violence. Though, there are exceptions when someone invades your property/attacks another being :)
I do not advocate violence.
TurboDally 2 years ago
If the state does not use violence why do they require people to pay taxes on they land they own.
Are you saying i can refuse to pay and nothing will happen.
krt98 2 years ago
Because that land you own and live on is worth nothing without government run and provided protection, electricity, plumbing, roads, transportation, etc. take your pick, and by not putting back into the system and paying your taxes you are LEACHING
epsilon8998 2 years ago
What value does the government give my land. Me and my family maintain it. I cant even pay a separate company to take my garbage or substitute the cops for a Private firm.
krt98 2 years ago
It gives it value by providing those services, allowing you and your family to live on it. Without those modern services and technologies, your land would turn into a pre-historic shit hole being that it goes without water, electricity, or a standing police force to keep it from being raided by thieves. There are no private firms to do that instead because the government already does a perfectly good job at it, needing no private competition to fuck it up further like health insurance does.
epsilon8998 2 years ago
health in insurance has so many regulations that it is not even close to a free market. The fact the police spend most of there time arresting people for victimless "crimes" increases the cost of keeping the sautes quo. I'm pretty sure that most people get electricity and water from private companies. So the only thing were really paying the goverment is to protect us from the criminals who take less from us then the goverment.
krt98 2 years ago
Since when were we talking about a free market? Why should I care? And whether or not the police abuse their power because of the government is a different question. It's not like private security ever arrested people for no reason, or beat them up and took their stuff right? And even though many utility companies may be privately owned, they still rely on a complex network of grids and generators to get that power and waterto the consumer. These grids are also government run and taxpayer funded
epsilon8998 2 years ago
if you were to chose between a firm that abused there powere or one that didn't witch one would you chose. I can not chose not to pay the cops. The utilities should not be publicly funded.
krt98 2 years ago
The idea that you cannot 'choose' to pay the cops is made moot by the fact that you do have an indirect mode of power over them with your vote. And these government controlled institutions are ultimately controlled by us as citizens, despite this outlandish idea that people seem to have that the government is some out of control monster apparatus that is violent, unruly, and uncontainable. Ironically, this is what private companies have become, and you cannot deny this with an either-or fallacy.
epsilon8998 2 years ago
so the majority is always right. What is wrong is wrong even if 90% of people say it is right. The only true authority cops have is what i give them without them using coercion or when they stop me from attacking another. You can not vote away my rights or what i produced. You can not tell me morally i must pay for a service i do not want or need. and if i do want you cant tell me i must buy it from him. It doese not matter if one or 6 billion people tell me i must pay u dont have the right to
krt98 2 years ago
Who said I was arguing for that? Why does favoring voting systems mean that you're for majority decisions in all circumstances? You're making up strawmen. And you still haven't answered my question: why would a private police force reduce power abuses and make things better overall? And as for what is moral, we could get into all sorts of debates over the social contract, but the basis of governments is that their ultimate purpose is to protect people, and to do that they must tax.
epsilon8998 2 years ago
"you advocate using violence to enforce what you BELIEVE to be 'right' or 'moral'. You are a terrorist"
Stop putting words in peoples mouths, thank you.
TurboDally 2 years ago
It's not putting words in peole's mouths. You are advocating the use of force to terrorize people into doing what you believe is right. That's the dictionary definition of terrorism. Call up the Oxford dictionary f you want but don't shoot the messenger.
podrag 2 years ago
"It's not putting words in peole's mouths. You are advocating the use of force to terrorize people into doing what you believe is right. That's the dictionary definition of terrorism. Call up the Oxford dictionary f you want but don't shoot the messenger."
Yes you ARE putting words in peoples mouthes. WHERE did I advocate violence against those who did not share my opinion? WHERE did I advocate violence to forcing people into a system I THINK would work better?
TurboDally 2 years ago
What happens if people refuse to pay their taxes to support this new system? The state uses violence against them. Anything done by the state is done under the threat of violence. You, therefore, advocate violence to implement your system of healthcare which you believe will be better. You are, therefore, a terrorist.
podrag 2 years ago
"What happens if people refuse to pay their taxes to support this new system? The state uses violence against them."
And that I disagree to that. If they don't pay their taxes to support the new system, don't let them in to the system. If you don't pay for your electricity, you won't get any. Violence is a no go.
I do not advocate violence.
TurboDally 2 years ago
So you, then, are effectively a brainpolice2-style anti-statist left-libertarian. That's what it sounds like anyway. That's fine, I don't have a problem with that kind of ideology. That's completely different to Obamacare though.
podrag 2 years ago
"You, therefore, advocate violence to implement your system of healthcare which you believe will be better. You are, therefore, a terrorist."
Wrong. Lets use your logic against you, you pay taxes don't you? I'm pretty sure you do, since you live in good ol' England.
Since you pay taxes, you are therefore an advocate for violence.
Can you see where I am getting here? Do you really want to use violence, NO, and neither do I. Now stop telling me I want to bloody someone up for not paying tax.
TurboDally 2 years ago
And before you make another response in an attempt to twist what I am saying further:
I do not advocate violence. However, I understand that there may be times where someone poses a danger to me, my friends, family and so on - in which case violence would be used as self defence.
Violence should be a last resort, I'm not keen on it, but like I said, last resort. No one should be beaten because they didn't pay their taxes.
TurboDally 2 years ago
No I can't see where you are going. I pay taxes because if I don't want to be put in a cage.
Obamacare will hurt people for not paying for Obamacare. If you advocate voluntary socialism then fine but that completely different to state socialism which what is being talked about on this video.
podrag 2 years ago
all the comments on this video seem to think the us has a free market. There are countless regulations. Drugs have to be proven to help nearly everyone instead of just a few and even then you have to ask permission to put something in your own body.
krt98 2 years ago 3
First rational comment I've read here.
borrofburi 2 years ago
Awesome!
agnosticman77 2 years ago
It's the status quo in America; there's nothing coherent or ethical about the system as it is but people always have to argue for their point if they're against the 'norms' no matter how screwed up the norms are. People hate change.
The free market capitalists have their arguments but the evidence is on the side of universal health. Markets are powerful but also dangerous; it can be more profitable to deliver less efficient treatment, when power-relations are skewed and geography plays a part.
unassumption 2 years ago
Oh God, don't be that naive!
This whole shit is not about morality.
Fire department is public... at the moment.
It will be worse, no doubts.
Just like as it did in the past till now and will do in the future.
It depends only on people, they would surely do against it, if they wouldn't want this... right?
(Many country is "heaven", if you have money, so why U.S.?)
IceHammer58 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this
LoreleiMission 2 years ago
Can you do a vid on how the Canadian healthcare works? please!
beros1234 2 years ago
The more I think about it, the more I think that the free markets are ruining the country. You can't do without healthcare. You can do without the widescreen tv or the I-Pod, but you cannot do without healthcare. I believe such a thing would go under the general wellfare clause of the US Constitution. Healthcare costs would be controlled by Congress for our benefit.
psxwarrior 2 years ago
Healthcare is not a freemarket in the US.
borrofburi 2 years ago