Gay "Marriage" Threatens Freedom in Maine

[Jabbersac]

They are trying to claim that THEY'RE trying to preserve the separation of church and state by trying to make sure the government caters only to a select set of religious views? What kind of fantasy world do they live in?

[BoredomCorner]

Let me get this straight...

You're proposing to not only limit rights, but STEAL them away from people who you have no legitimate beef with.

You're also attacking the freedom of religion for churches that perform same-sex marriage.

You're assaulting the separation of church and state.

You're using complete lies to make the gay rights camp sound more controlling than they are, when they simply want the government to uphold the law.

You're the one threatening freedom.

[bijoukaiba]

So, by using the Bible, we're going to ban gay marriage to 'protect' marriage.

When do we start working to reverse the laws allowing divorce and interracial marriage? The Bible says those are wrong too, you know...

Although I intend to marry a man, I still want the right to marry a woman.

REPEAL 1 IN MAINE!

REPEAL 2 IN FLORIDA!

REPEAL 8 IN CALIFORNIA!

[Cogwerks]

"homo-fascism"

Hahahahaha.

Those shock troopers would have the most fashionable uniforms ever.

[logofreetv]

I hope Maine people wake up to the militant gay agenda. Distortion of the gift of sex should not be FORCED onto people.

Anyway, anal sex is really bad - it's unhealthy, 100% infertile and spreads AIDS more readily. True marriage just reflects biological reality - all this stuff about 'equality' is a smokescreen.

YES on 1 for Maine.

[KevinMossVT]

What really threatens freedom is this anti-gay religious nonsense. Funded by the Catholic Church and the Mormons, who get tax breaks.

[7410n0]

Why single out the Catholic Church and Mormons? It's pretty much all Christian denominations, more likely Protestants since it's the US.

[cupcakekitenprincess]

Shut up shut up shut up. Deal with it.

[TIMOTHYSAARINEN]

Ahhh Religion. You see what happens when you allow it to get just one toe in the door of public policy. Personal freedoms start disappearing. Intolerance, bigotry and even hatred all raise their ugly, pointed little heads. All in GOD'S name, no less. What part of "The separation of church and state" is so hard to understand? If the church insists on trying to dictate public policy and change laws to force it's agenda, it should certainly start paying taxes. WHY are they even tax exempt anyway?

[Permaglo]

Public Law Chapter 82 in Maine that the conservatives are trying to repeal actually PROTECTS religious institutions:

"This part does not authorize any court or...agency...to compel, prevent or interfere in any way with any religious institution's religious doctrine, policy, teaching or solemnization of marriage...A person...who fails or refuses to join persons in marriage is not subject to any fine or other penalty for such failure or refusal."

[thanatos101b]

Wow, look at the lies, coming ever so swiftly. You do realize our constitution does not cover Canada, right? They don't have a first amendment in Canada. What you are arguing about is irrelevant to America. It is just a pathetic scare tactic against those people too stupid to realize that Canada is a whole separate country with a whole separate legal system.

[archangel703]

Sorry, it's already started happening here in America. Do your homework. Instead of crying LIES and FEAR all the time why don't gay marriage advocates ever address the VALID concerns of the Majority that you're trying to redefine Marriage for? The fact is Gay activists and propopents of Gay marriage Want EVERY religion that disagees with them to be treated like Racists. "A childs right to a Mother and Father" will be considered HATE speech. It's already called "Unfair language" in debates.

[thanatos101b]

I've done my homework. That's why I know exactly which examples you are going to list as "happening" here in America. And they are all false.

The majority have no valid concerns. Only irrational concerns.

And as a perfect example; there is no hate speech in America, due to the first amendment. Thank you for providing that excellent example of an invalid concern.

[ttmfg]

Gay marriage does not persecute religion. Churches are still free to marry whom they choose, and they are still free not to have ceremonies for gays. What churches cannot do, is tell me I cannot have every right that straight people enjoy. If I want to get married as a gay man, it is none of the churche's business. They should stay out of it. I don't want govenment telling them what they can and cannot do, but I won't let the church take my rights away because of their religion.

[jerrydoubleu]

I believe in America, freedom, and equality.

[PLmoms]

Enjoy!

[PLmoms]

Aside from the fact that doctors are supposed to serve the public. They are not supposed to discriminate against their patients. They shouldn't be doctors if they discriminate.

Still, this has nothing to do with allowing gays civil marriage rights. It's another case about discrimination that would happen with or without marriage laws being inclusive of gays.

[voteyesonquestion1]

In the benitez case, the two lesbians had a choice to go to nother doctor. This was not a life threatening situation. DR Benitez was right to live according to her conscience.

For the studies, I ask you foe one that does not show a personal conflict of interest by the author. So far you could not provide one unless I did not see it.

[PLmoms]

Where did you see personal conflicts by the authors. did you read them?

[neenerpuss]

Once again if you are open for public services you must not discriminate who is able to use those services. If the Dr. had refused to inseminate a black woman with white sperm...its discrimination. Just like if a woman wants to be inseminated by a sperm donor the Dr. does not get to discriminate because she is open to the public. How is that different than a restaurant not serving black people? or a whites only country club? Discrimination is Discrimination! Thats the slippery slope!

[PLmoms]

there is nothing for voteyesonquesiton1 to say because he/she is so focused on bringing families like mine down, he/she doesn't see that were just regular, harmless people living our lives the best we can. Sometimes having strong opinions can be blinding.

[PLmoms]

Aside from the fact that those issues have nothing to do with allowing gays to marry. Nothing changes in Maine except that loving gay couples can be married. That's it. No downside to churches aside from lack of publicity for taking a stand against something that does not directly affect them.

[PLmoms]

This is all Canadians. We are NOT Canadian!

[voteyesonquestion1]

Ok then selling slaves was legal at one point but they were open to the public.

You would force someone to kill a baby because abortion is legal.

You are a very dangerous person.

[voteyesonquestion1]

You know this is not what I meant.

Religious institutions are often the one taling care of aids patients.

They are procedures like insemination, abortions, participating in gay weddings that are against someone religion to participate.

This lady want to put them out of business so religion just stay in churches. Her hidden agenda is very clear.

[voteyesonquestion1]

It was not silly. It was gay-facism. This happend in many places

[voteyesonquestion1]

She also said that churches cannot refuse services either.

Do you agree with the bullying of E-harmony which is a matching website for men and women to be force to start another business for gays ?

Do you agree with Homo-facism ?

[neenerpuss]

Can you imagine if a hospital (a private business) decided that it did not have to offer any of its services to gay people? How about the fire dept? They are gay...so we will let their house burn down. There is NOTHING homo-facist about treating all people equally!!! If you own a public business it is open to ALL of the public. Maybe next target is the Black or Jews. Where do we draw the line?

MARRIAGE EQUALITY NOW!

[voteyesonquestion1]

You are loosing it. The services like gay insemination are the one people will refused to participate. Those are spiritual crimes even if you are not aware they are.

[neenerpuss]

"Spiritual crimes" dont exist! When you are open to the public...you can not refuse service...just because you want to or feel like it. THAT IS DISCRIMINATION!

[voteyesonquestion1]

Yes there are many examples in the USA of people being sued for refusing to offer services against their conscience or pesonal beliefs.

[PLmoms]

Maine is NOT part of CANADA! You are featuring CANADIANS in this video! Laws are different in Canada because it is a different country.

Churches will not be forced to serve gay couples in the UNITED STATES. In US states that allow same sex couples to marry, there have been zero lawsuits against churches for denying marriages. This is because churches in the US are ALLOWED to deny marriages, and they already do.

This is a great example of the deceit by people against gay marriage.

[PrinceOfBabylon]

So I guess you people don't care at all for the rights of homosexuals?

[voteyesonquestion1]

As usual, it is just all about you and only you. The video is about the abuses committed by homosexuals that do not care about the rights of others and violate their freedom of conscience or religion.

[PrinceOfBabylon]

Yes, cuz you guys are having it SO hard to simply get your marriage recongnized by the govt, or you and your partner are being denied to adopt a kid.

YES. YOU GUYS HAVE IT SO BAD RIGHT NOW

[PLmoms]

This video is all about CANADA. We are NOT Canadians and Canadian's are NOT experts on US law.

In the US, religions freedom is protected, both in the Constitution and in state laws, except for Massachusetts. Maine includes a clause that stipulates churches will NOT be forced to marry gay coupled.

This video is full of misleading information.

[voteyesonquestion1]

If a few politicians can just redefine the marriage of millions of their citizens, there is no protection left for anything. You n be sure of that. There is no democracy left either. Canada is just an example where same sex marriage and secular relativism take the country

[PLmoms]

Massachusetts has allowed gay marriage for a longer time period than Canada. MA has not become more secular and MA now has the lowest divorce rate of all of the US. IF Canada has become more secular, it is not because of gay marriage. A more accurate comparison would be MA, which would not be convenient for you since nothing bad has happened in MA. But MA is part of the US and our culture. Canada is a different culture, follows closer to Europe culture. Stop the false scare tactics.

[PLmoms]

Also, marriage has not been redefined. For almost 10 yrs, the Oxford English Dictionary, has included in the definition of marriage the phrase "long-term relationships between partners of the same sex."

In 2003, Webster's included in its definition "the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage."

Right now, gay couples are unprotected. Why should gay couples be sacrificed for your unfounded fears?

[StevenKeirstead]

That's ridiculous. No law in the US can undo the first Amendment. And also there has not been one case of a church being sued by gay or lesbian couples in Massachusetts in five years of same sex marriag here.

[voteyesonquestion1]

The marriage rate in Canada is much lower than the usa and declining.

In addition, you need to separate 1st time divorce form repeat divorce. In the USA 76% of couples never divorce.

You are cheating with #s the same you are cheating with marriage.

[PLmoms]

So what is your problem with Canada then?

And where do your statistics come from? Who is cheating on #'s?

Enrichment journal states these divorce rates:

The divorce rate in USA for 1st marriage is 41%

The divorce rate in USA for 2nd marriage is 60%

The divorce rate in USA for 3rd marriage is 73%

These are the LOWEST statistics on US divorce rates. Most statistics I have found place US divorce rates at 45% or higher. Which means your estimates are inaccurate by AT LEAST 17%.

[PLmoms]

to clarify, those divorce rates at 41% by enrichment journal and 45% or higher in other research ARE first time divorces.

[voteyesonquestion1]

I will check on you information because I just got some new statistics.

Still with a much lower rate in marriage, you cant claim Canada is better.

[PLmoms]

I am not claiming Canada is better. I haven't looked at their divorce statistics.

I hope divorce rates continue to go down, everyone deserves a happy, loving marriage. But in reality, allowing gays to marry can not be directly linked to either an incresae or decrease in divorce rates. This is because, for example, my marriage has no impact on your marriage. Married gay people have no affect on the relationship of straight couples, unless they are arguing over marriage equality of course :-(