@JustinEmmons1983 Again, do not use Heroic Strike in Execution phase unless you activated Deadly Calm. Otherwise, do not touch Heroic Strike. Your going to need all the rage you can get to Execute and just Mortal Strike before LttS falls off. Use Colossus Smash when possible without delaying your Executes.
@JustinEmmons1983 You only EVER touch Heroic Strike in Execution phase if you pop Deadly Calm. If you don't pop it, then you don't touch Heroic Strike. You keep Executing and use Colossus Smash before hand. Only Mortal Strike when your LttS is about to fall off by four seconds or less.
@JustinEmmons1983 Yes. On youtube, search "Power Auras Tutorial" and that should help you. You can also use an addon called Debuff Filter (/dfilter in game) and set it up from there.
@yenomeerf Stay in normal mode and you'll be fine. Stance dancing (expert mode) is for people who are able to literally focus on what to do and can execute their actions (from abilities to cooldowns) perfectly. Expert mode is not for everyone and it's not better than normal mode.
should the battle stance macro /cast [stance:2/3] battle stance /cast ability name" be a one push button and change stance and cast spell? because i am not having success. but the berseker macros are working for me. i will check my syntax and spelling again but Excellent vid and quality thanks for any reply
@yenomeerf You're probably trying to use Overpower or Thunderclap. Because those two abilities require "battle stance" you should spam the button for at least a second longer (from the time you hit it) until it is initiated. This soley depends on if you didn't screw up the stance dancing and it depends on your latency.
Hey, I recently switched to Arms and I'm doing pretty decent dps ( around 18-19k dps on the raid dummy self-buffed) but I'm noticing my dps is very spiky. Sometimes I can get as high as 25k and as low as 15k. Is there something that I'm doing wrong?
@Valkov590 My advice to you is to do heavy DPS stress tests of about 10 minutes each on a raid skull dummy, using only raid buffs and your major CDs as well. When you do these tests have your Recount open and see which is your highest damage output (it must be Mortal Strike, if not then your screwing up somewhere). Follow this guide, try to pin-down your auto-attacks perfectly with your rage - if you can master this then you'll be able to sustain your rage. Next is how you utilize your --
@Valkov590 -- Heroic Strike, make sure you use it when you have 70 rage or over! Now, if your able to time your auto-attacks in your mind or get "the feeling" of your auto-attacks, you can land your Heroic Strikes earlier at around 50 rage and not be rage starved. In most cases with the 50 rage theory, I don't like my MS with HS unless I know FOR SURE my auto-attack is about to hit. My question to you now is are you able to keep up with your cooldowns and are your timing your CS and putting --
@Valkov590 -- them in correctly? Are you Slamming at the wrong time or delaying MS/Overpower for Slam? In short cases, it is Okay to delay Overpower for Slam IF your OP Proc is not going to proc again and your MS is on CD for your next GCD to initiate OP, after using Slam. Arms is not as easy as I can express it but look over how I utilize my CDs through the video.
@otakixus2 I'm trying to keep CS up at all times using the Sudden Death Proc, and Mortal Strike is always my top damage. After watching the guide I was pretty particular about using MS on CD and never delaying it. I'm also using the "expert" mode in arms. As for the melee, I'm not exactly used to that, and that would probably make a difference using Heroic strike before a melee hit near ~50 rage
@Valkov590 How many MS, OP and Slams did you have? (Count) You want to also keep a count of how many times you used CS (not the damage) and how many times your Mastery proc'd. I keep count of everything. If anything, and this is something you can't do anything about and because my Mastery is high due to my gear, my Mastery (Strikes of Opportunity) initiates about 10-25% more than my auto-attacks which is very good! It's another source that can proc CS.
@Valkov590 If you Slam and nothing else came out of CD, then use another Slam. This is very critical, because we are capped at 1.5 seconds per GCD, be sure to know the next action you want to take as you initiate whatever your doing. This is very important for Expert Modes, if Overpower procs and your already doing Slam then do not hit OP until Slam is done - for example. Your trying to stay in Berserker Stance as much as possible and spend less time in Battle Stance.
@otakixus2 I just finished a dps stress test on the raider's dummy. I was only selfbuffed with Battle Shout and I finished out at 18.6k dps after 13.7 million damage. Mortal Strike was #1 Overpower was #2 Slam was # 3.
@otakixus2 thank you very very much for tips and macros dps is awsome and btw VOCALOID FTW love Miku and wish i got tickets for the Concert in LA T_T otherwise nice job my man XD
@MrBrandonawesome15 Standard rotation only - When Mortal Strike, Colossus Smash and Overpower are on CD. Providing that Rend is currently on your target (single target). In Multi-target, I try to fit it in when possible if I don't need to Thunder Clap/Bladestorm.
Hey im trying out the "expert rotation there on the raiding dummy. im spiking to 19k dps and sitting on 18.5 and i cant get it any higher.what am i doing wrong like. Could you take a look at my gear and tell me if the damage im doing is right for my gear.cause i dont feel it is. my char name is Xodia tauren warrior from burning blade.please check me out and let me know.love the video btw.
@TescoColclough Went on your server. At first it said it's your friends need to be in the same Alliance. Switched to alliance and no name was found. Did WoW armory, nothing hit back for an 85 warrior. Are you sure your from Burning Blade and your name is Xodia?
@otakixus2 hey man i appreciate you keep trying to get back to me.looks like we wont be able to join the same server.since we are on different clients :)
@TescoColclough No problem. Just follow this guide. Time all your CDs and make the best out of them. Make sure every piece of gear has crit and try to reforge the highest 2nd stat to crit (if possible). All your gemming should be pure strength unless the socket bonus has 20 strength or more (until epic gems come out).
@destromath89 Correct, they should be working. Regardless of what stance your in it should allow you to hit Overpower providing that you are in Battle Stance. Did you try it with Mortal Strike?
@otakixus2 Tried it with all of em. It just won't let me stance switch. I don't understand.
Maybe I don't understand how the macro works. I start my rotation off as > Charge > Rend > Zerker Stance MS > The macro should pull me out of zerker into battle and cast overpower. Then when I mortal Strike it should put me back in Zerker stance and cast mortal strike. Correct?
CAn you answer this question? Does that 5% more dmg from berserker stance compared to battle stance really be better than just standing in battle stance and not losing any gcd when changing stance?
@D4ilyChase If you do the stance dancing correctly, the damage difference between normal and expert modes are between 1-3% damage. In expert mode, your pretty much risking rotation screw ups if your not focused, you need to get Tactical Mastery, and you need to keep your rage pool under control (less than 75 rage before you stance dance).
@otakixus2 Ye, last night tested that expert mode and my dps was same as when doing it normally in battle stance. It screwed my rotation :< For me better i just stay in normal mode xD Oh and btw when i was trying expert mode i didnt see my overpower was procced. I use this macro for Over power #showtooltip Overpower /cast [stance:2/3] battle stance /cast Overpower and it didnt show that overpower procced every time taste of blood came. i think that was the part when my rotation screwed up.
@D4ilyChase Do you know how can i fix this? so I can see when overpower procs from taste of blood for switching from berzerker stance back to battle stance?
@otakixus2 Hey, im not sure if im correct or not but i see that ur not loosing rage when changing back to battle stance for the overpower? i might be wrong but if you are able to keep your rage, how can i do it?
Yea I agree. Arms is one of those specs that you really have to know the "feeling" of the appropriate time to manage your rage. 80 is a good number for those who are unable to do that or do not have a lot of experience with warriors. Great vid though.
@direzealot79 70 to 80 is the actual answer. You'd probably want it to be at 80 if your Fury. As for Arms, you have enough Rage income to play around. If anything, I usually hit it around 50 rage ONLY when I know my auto-attack is going to hit next. Look over the video and watch over my rage and how I manage it. In most cases, I hit it Heroic Strike around 50 rage and before MS comes up. That's when my Auto-Attack lands. Arms is not like Fury. For safe keeps thou', start out with 70.
Hey man, been fury for a while, but I wanted to test out the elitist version. Although to my suprise it seems, that i'm rage starving quite alot, even with 364 ilvl and 2/2 tactical mastery, any advice?
@spiderpig120 Are you hit and expertise capped? Are you using Heroic Strike at 70+ rage, Deadly Calm and Battle Trance only? Are you Slamming constantly (two slams in a row or more) -- unless your in Deadly Calm mode? I need to see your Armory and I need to know how you're doing your rotation.
Yeah, dont take this the wrong way, not a noob, been raiding hardcore for a long time. Although not as arms, and especially not this way. Will PM you the armory.
Standard Rotation -- Mortal Strike > Colossus Smash > Overpower > Slam > Heroic Strike (70+ Rage)
This excludes the usage of Battle Trance and Deadly Calm. Keep the rotation like that. Don't double Slam unless your seeing a wide gab between your current Slam and Mortal Strike (about 2 seconds or longer) and not having Overpower or Colossus Smash procs means it's safe to do a second Slam.
Your macro's have a flaw. They may get executed in Battle stance. Depends on server lag. Use [stance:3] AbilityName to make them cast in Berserker stance only. Stances and abilities have different cooldowns.
@erikraetz Which you are correct about that. At the same time, your going to delay your attacks by 0.x amount of seconds. In the long run, it's going to affect your overall DPS. I've already over looked this and this is why I hope Blizzard nerfs this stance dancing and keeps Arms in Battle Stance since it was originally designed around Battle Stance, not Berserker Stance.
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dillonthewarrior 3 weeks ago
Mie i would appreciate if you could make an arms guide for 4.2 your intel in this video is amazing and easy to understand
zurok1234 4 months ago
@zurok1234 It will be done before the end of October.
otakixus2 4 months ago
How the fuck! :P i do like 14 - 16 K on dummies with 366 equipped ilvl, used "Askmrrobot" to help me with gems, enchs etc. etc.
Gibsonibanez4ever 4 months ago
Wish me some freaking luck with a weapon. I am still stuck with the hammer from Heroic Magmaw ... :/ Then I can make video 4.2!
otakixus2 5 months ago
Yes Plz a 4.2 guide would be very helpfull
Antimustard69 5 months ago
Do you guys want me to make a new video for patch 4.2? ... There's new set of rules to follow for an Arms Warrior.
otakixus2 6 months ago 6
@otakixus2
Yes we do!!!!!
please! :D
medoronaldo7 6 months ago
@otakixus2 yes please your video has helped me excel in dps as a whole. would <3 a new video
masnawor 6 months ago
@otakixus2 Your guide really helped me and I love the music.
Yes please I would love to see a 4.2 video. :)
Thank you for your hard work!
DarkTwo 6 months ago
@otakixus2 Yes! awesome guide. Are you posting the text on a website? It's hard to read here.
czeqm8 5 months ago
Are you use expert mode in ur raid?
huunth 7 months ago
@JustinEmmons1983 Again, do not use Heroic Strike in Execution phase unless you activated Deadly Calm. Otherwise, do not touch Heroic Strike. Your going to need all the rage you can get to Execute and just Mortal Strike before LttS falls off. Use Colossus Smash when possible without delaying your Executes.
otakixus2 7 months ago
@JustinEmmons1983 You only EVER touch Heroic Strike in Execution phase if you pop Deadly Calm. If you don't pop it, then you don't touch Heroic Strike. You keep Executing and use Colossus Smash before hand. Only Mortal Strike when your LttS is about to fall off by four seconds or less.
otakixus2 7 months ago
@JustinEmmons1983 Yes. On youtube, search "Power Auras Tutorial" and that should help you. You can also use an addon called Debuff Filter (/dfilter in game) and set it up from there.
otakixus2 7 months ago
how is arms working after the latest patch is it still viable ?
okeriot 8 months ago
@okeriot #1 DPS on Shannox (25) on my guild's meters. #16 worldwide as Arms. I ended up with 22-23k DPS.
otakixus2 8 months ago
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yenomeerf 8 months ago
@yenomeerf Stay in normal mode and you'll be fine. Stance dancing (expert mode) is for people who are able to literally focus on what to do and can execute their actions (from abilities to cooldowns) perfectly. Expert mode is not for everyone and it's not better than normal mode.
otakixus2 8 months ago
should the battle stance macro /cast [stance:2/3] battle stance /cast ability name" be a one push button and change stance and cast spell? because i am not having success. but the berseker macros are working for me. i will check my syntax and spelling again but Excellent vid and quality thanks for any reply
yenomeerf 8 months ago
@yenomeerf You're probably trying to use Overpower or Thunderclap. Because those two abilities require "battle stance" you should spam the button for at least a second longer (from the time you hit it) until it is initiated. This soley depends on if you didn't screw up the stance dancing and it depends on your latency.
otakixus2 8 months ago
... so when are you gonna make a prot/fury guide? You do a good quality job and would love additional help on my specs.
MrBrandonawesome15 8 months ago
Hey, I recently switched to Arms and I'm doing pretty decent dps ( around 18-19k dps on the raid dummy self-buffed) but I'm noticing my dps is very spiky. Sometimes I can get as high as 25k and as low as 15k. Is there something that I'm doing wrong?
Valkov590 8 months ago
@Valkov590 My advice to you is to do heavy DPS stress tests of about 10 minutes each on a raid skull dummy, using only raid buffs and your major CDs as well. When you do these tests have your Recount open and see which is your highest damage output (it must be Mortal Strike, if not then your screwing up somewhere). Follow this guide, try to pin-down your auto-attacks perfectly with your rage - if you can master this then you'll be able to sustain your rage. Next is how you utilize your --
otakixus2 8 months ago
@Valkov590 -- Heroic Strike, make sure you use it when you have 70 rage or over! Now, if your able to time your auto-attacks in your mind or get "the feeling" of your auto-attacks, you can land your Heroic Strikes earlier at around 50 rage and not be rage starved. In most cases with the 50 rage theory, I don't like my MS with HS unless I know FOR SURE my auto-attack is about to hit. My question to you now is are you able to keep up with your cooldowns and are your timing your CS and putting --
otakixus2 8 months ago
@Valkov590 -- them in correctly? Are you Slamming at the wrong time or delaying MS/Overpower for Slam? In short cases, it is Okay to delay Overpower for Slam IF your OP Proc is not going to proc again and your MS is on CD for your next GCD to initiate OP, after using Slam. Arms is not as easy as I can express it but look over how I utilize my CDs through the video.
otakixus2 8 months ago
@otakixus2 I'm trying to keep CS up at all times using the Sudden Death Proc, and Mortal Strike is always my top damage. After watching the guide I was pretty particular about using MS on CD and never delaying it. I'm also using the "expert" mode in arms. As for the melee, I'm not exactly used to that, and that would probably make a difference using Heroic strike before a melee hit near ~50 rage
Valkov590 8 months ago
@Valkov590 How many MS, OP and Slams did you have? (Count) You want to also keep a count of how many times you used CS (not the damage) and how many times your Mastery proc'd. I keep count of everything. If anything, and this is something you can't do anything about and because my Mastery is high due to my gear, my Mastery (Strikes of Opportunity) initiates about 10-25% more than my auto-attacks which is very good! It's another source that can proc CS.
otakixus2 8 months ago
@otakixus2 I'm using slam whenever MS is on CD and Overpower hasn't procced yet, should I be using it more than that?
Valkov590 8 months ago
@Valkov590 If you Slam and nothing else came out of CD, then use another Slam. This is very critical, because we are capped at 1.5 seconds per GCD, be sure to know the next action you want to take as you initiate whatever your doing. This is very important for Expert Modes, if Overpower procs and your already doing Slam then do not hit OP until Slam is done - for example. Your trying to stay in Berserker Stance as much as possible and spend less time in Battle Stance.
otakixus2 8 months ago
@otakixus2 I just finished a dps stress test on the raider's dummy. I was only selfbuffed with Battle Shout and I finished out at 18.6k dps after 13.7 million damage. Mortal Strike was #1 Overpower was #2 Slam was # 3.
Valkov590 8 months ago
@Valkov590 Lets meet up somewhere. What is your toon name and server name?
otakixus2 8 months ago
@otakixus2 Valkov @ Hellscream (Alliance)
Valkov590 8 months ago
wtf is this chinese sht
Dice3000 8 months ago
@Dice3000 Japanese. Google "vocaloid". If you don't like it, mute the sound.
otakixus2 8 months ago
we want pvp
rashspartan117 8 months ago
holy fuck i didnt realize til now that u hit for 133k slam thats insane
animecontoursay01 8 months ago
@otakixus2 thank you very very much for tips and macros dps is awsome and btw VOCALOID FTW love Miku and wish i got tickets for the Concert in LA T_T otherwise nice job my man XD
animecontoursay01 8 months ago
Lovely guide, Liked & Favorited for future looking into it ;)
Yojiibochan 8 months ago
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MrBrandonawesome15 8 months ago
Hrmmm... ty for the tips, great vid and have been choking out about 21k, hoping that slam integration will boost it on the dummy.
MrBrandonawesome15 8 months ago
When do ou use Slam?
MrBrandonawesome15 8 months ago
@MrBrandonawesome15 Standard rotation only - When Mortal Strike, Colossus Smash and Overpower are on CD. Providing that Rend is currently on your target (single target). In Multi-target, I try to fit it in when possible if I don't need to Thunder Clap/Bladestorm.
otakixus2 8 months ago
@otakixus2 tyvm.
MrBrandonawesome15 8 months ago
Hey, this helped heaps! keep up the great work
hapyhatb 8 months ago
Hey im trying out the "expert rotation there on the raiding dummy. im spiking to 19k dps and sitting on 18.5 and i cant get it any higher.what am i doing wrong like. Could you take a look at my gear and tell me if the damage im doing is right for my gear.cause i dont feel it is. my char name is Xodia tauren warrior from burning blade.please check me out and let me know.love the video btw.
TescoColclough 8 months ago
@TescoColclough Went on your server. At first it said it's your friends need to be in the same Alliance. Switched to alliance and no name was found. Did WoW armory, nothing hit back for an 85 warrior. Are you sure your from Burning Blade and your name is Xodia?
otakixus2 8 months ago
@otakixus2 just did a race change,that proberly messed everything up :P im online now.my name is still the same
Xodia-Burning blade horde. goblin warrior now :)
TescoColclough 8 months ago
@TescoColclough I'm on so just log on. I'm Tatsujin.
otakixus2 8 months ago
@otakixus2 I am gona go ahead and guess your not on the european servers.because i am. :)
TescoColclough 8 months ago
@TescoColclough I'm in the US. Lol, yes. I'll log on now and see if your on.
otakixus2 8 months ago
@TescoColclough There's no Burning Blade on Oceanic or Latin America so I'm not sure at the moment. I can't look up your Armory either.
otakixus2 8 months ago
@otakixus2 hey man i appreciate you keep trying to get back to me.looks like we wont be able to join the same server.since we are on different clients :)
TescoColclough 8 months ago
@TescoColclough No problem. Just follow this guide. Time all your CDs and make the best out of them. Make sure every piece of gear has crit and try to reforge the highest 2nd stat to crit (if possible). All your gemming should be pure strength unless the socket bonus has 20 strength or more (until epic gems come out).
otakixus2 8 months ago
Tried it with all of em. It just won't let me stance switch. I don't understand.
destromath89 8 months ago
@destromath89 I'm on WoW at the moment, come on my server Kirin Tor character name Mie and whisper me. We'll go from there. I've got 30 mins on me.
otakixus2 8 months ago
None of those macros that you posted seem to work. I know I aint a complete fucken dumbass....
#showtooltip Overpower
/startattack
/cast [stance:2/3] Battle Stance
/cast Overpower
Correct?
destromath89 8 months ago
@destromath89 Correct, they should be working. Regardless of what stance your in it should allow you to hit Overpower providing that you are in Battle Stance. Did you try it with Mortal Strike?
otakixus2 8 months ago
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@otakixus2 Tried it with all of em. It just won't let me stance switch. I don't understand.
Maybe I don't understand how the macro works. I start my rotation off as > Charge > Rend > Zerker Stance MS > The macro should pull me out of zerker into battle and cast overpower. Then when I mortal Strike it should put me back in Zerker stance and cast mortal strike. Correct?
destromath89 8 months ago
thanks ur awesome and nice music!!!! =D
IceGoatReterok 8 months ago
CAn you answer this question? Does that 5% more dmg from berserker stance compared to battle stance really be better than just standing in battle stance and not losing any gcd when changing stance?
D4ilyChase 9 months ago
@D4ilyChase If you do the stance dancing correctly, the damage difference between normal and expert modes are between 1-3% damage. In expert mode, your pretty much risking rotation screw ups if your not focused, you need to get Tactical Mastery, and you need to keep your rage pool under control (less than 75 rage before you stance dance).
otakixus2 9 months ago
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D4ilyChase 9 months ago
@otakixus2 Ye, last night tested that expert mode and my dps was same as when doing it normally in battle stance. It screwed my rotation :< For me better i just stay in normal mode xD Oh and btw when i was trying expert mode i didnt see my overpower was procced. I use this macro for Over power #showtooltip Overpower /cast [stance:2/3] battle stance /cast Overpower and it didnt show that overpower procced every time taste of blood came. i think that was the part when my rotation screwed up.
D4ilyChase 9 months ago
@D4ilyChase Do you know how can i fix this? so I can see when overpower procs from taste of blood for switching from berzerker stance back to battle stance?
D4ilyChase 9 months ago
@D4ilyChase Put Overpower on your bar while your in Berserker Stance.
otakixus2 9 months ago
@otakixus2 Ok thanks :P gonna try it :D
D4ilyChase 9 months ago
Giving this vid a like, another great guide by Mie.
Stewkers 9 months ago
Mie, Zen here this is sweet. Blizzard should freaking hire you to make these videos.
UrizenNihilation 9 months ago 4
@UrizenNihilation I wish! Lol. I need an editor thou'.
otakixus2 9 months ago
@otakixus2 Hey, im not sure if im correct or not but i see that ur not loosing rage when changing back to battle stance for the overpower? i might be wrong but if you are able to keep your rage, how can i do it?
sebias2 9 months ago
@sebias2 2 points in Tactical Mastery.
otakixus2 9 months ago
Great guide, probably the best out there.
ArangarXRukia 9 months ago
Yea I agree. Arms is one of those specs that you really have to know the "feeling" of the appropriate time to manage your rage. 80 is a good number for those who are unable to do that or do not have a lot of experience with warriors. Great vid though.
direzealot79 9 months ago
change heroic stike to 80+ rage and it will fix your issues.
direzealot79 9 months ago
@direzealot79 70 to 80 is the actual answer. You'd probably want it to be at 80 if your Fury. As for Arms, you have enough Rage income to play around. If anything, I usually hit it around 50 rage ONLY when I know my auto-attack is going to hit next. Look over the video and watch over my rage and how I manage it. In most cases, I hit it Heroic Strike around 50 rage and before MS comes up. That's when my Auto-Attack lands. Arms is not like Fury. For safe keeps thou', start out with 70.
otakixus2 9 months ago
@otakixus2
Hey man, been fury for a while, but I wanted to test out the elitist version. Although to my suprise it seems, that i'm rage starving quite alot, even with 364 ilvl and 2/2 tactical mastery, any advice?
spiderpig120 9 months ago
@spiderpig120 Are you hit and expertise capped? Are you using Heroic Strike at 70+ rage, Deadly Calm and Battle Trance only? Are you Slamming constantly (two slams in a row or more) -- unless your in Deadly Calm mode? I need to see your Armory and I need to know how you're doing your rotation.
otakixus2 9 months ago
@otakixus2
Yeah, dont take this the wrong way, not a noob, been raiding hardcore for a long time. Although not as arms, and especially not this way. Will PM you the armory.
spiderpig120 9 months ago
@spiderpig120 Rotation should be as follows:
Opener -- Charge and Rend
Standard Rotation -- Mortal Strike > Colossus Smash > Overpower > Slam > Heroic Strike (70+ Rage)
This excludes the usage of Battle Trance and Deadly Calm. Keep the rotation like that. Don't double Slam unless your seeing a wide gab between your current Slam and Mortal Strike (about 2 seconds or longer) and not having Overpower or Colossus Smash procs means it's safe to do a second Slam.
otakixus2 9 months ago
Your macro's have a flaw. They may get executed in Battle stance. Depends on server lag. Use [stance:3] AbilityName to make them cast in Berserker stance only. Stances and abilities have different cooldowns.
erikraetz 9 months ago
@erikraetz Which you are correct about that. At the same time, your going to delay your attacks by 0.x amount of seconds. In the long run, it's going to affect your overall DPS. I've already over looked this and this is why I hope Blizzard nerfs this stance dancing and keeps Arms in Battle Stance since it was originally designed around Battle Stance, not Berserker Stance.
otakixus2 9 months ago
Absolutely excellent guide!
polevaultskills 9 months ago
This is beast!
Please do Fury next...I really enjoy the tips on bottom of screen with macros and such...very helpful.
leesdawgs7 9 months ago
awwwh, who's the cute lil boomkin at 9:30?
bearwasher 9 months ago 2