This seems to be an important piece of evidence that debunks all conspiracy theories abt the Zapruder film being tampered with, spliced, etc. You can clearly see the movements of the same witnesses in the background of the Z film here (in the foreground from 0:21-0:22) and the timing is exactly as it is in the Z film.
Does anybody else notice movement in the last two windows to the right 0:27 i am not sure but i believe this is the Texas School Book Depository and if their is movement in both of these windows that means that their is 2 shooters
I wonder if the government altered this film too? If you believe they messed with the Zapruder film then they would have had to mess with all the fim taken in Dealey Plaza. And if you believe that then they would have had to mess with all the still photographs and all the television film footage, plus all the photos taken by the newspapers. If you're a Loonspirator, you'll believe the government did all that and more.
The reason I'm so fascinated by this case is how quickly everything happened. Kennedy arrives in Dallas as the young, handsome President, accompanied by his beautiful wife and soaks up the adoration of hundreds of thousands of people on a sunny day.
Less than an hour later he's gone forever and all that power and wealth counted for nothing. Less than three hours later he returns to the scene of his arrival-this time in a coffin. It's the suddeness.
2 secs of the actual shooting on this. Why did it end so abruptly? A few more seconds would have us determining key points on where witnesses like Moorman and Muchmore stood and clear up timing issues.
Hehe. JFK was shot from the back, but his brains and skull splattered all over the limo trunk. Hehehe. Zapruder film shows how his head moves back and left, but some people insist he moves "rapidly" to the front, jejeje. Two different sets of autopsy pics can be found which show completely different wounds, but people insist there is no conspiracy (one way or the other. Hehehe.
At frame 311-312 of the Zapruder film, JFK's head jerks slightly foreward in 1/18th of a second, 1/18th of a second after that, at frame 313, his head explodes...
Shot from behind.
The head snap to the rear is the force of the blood spray and/or a neuromuscular reaction.
@SecretService80 at 0:24 why is JFK's car slowing down when he's already been shot? Does the person filming just suddenly turn their camera off at that moment, or has it been spliced?
@stig781 William Greer, the driver, slowed the car to see what was happening. By time he sped up again it was to late. Mr. Bronson DID turn off his camera because even at the distance he was at, he still saw President Kennedy's head explode.
@SecretService80 There were witnesses who saw a bullet hole in the windshield AND damage from a bullet strike to the metal edge of the windshield. A guy who worked at the plant where they made Lincolns remembers a continental with a hole in the centre of the windshield coming in for a windshield replacement a couple of days after the assassination. That makes 5 shots in total which (in the time frame) is impossible from the TSBD.
Even 3 shots in the time frame would have been very difficult
@funkmasterjee Compelling evidence, but I believe that due to Kennedy's sudden (VERY FAST) snap forward (as if a bullet struck the back of his head) shows the fatal shot from behind, an let's not forget the Zapruder Film clearly shows the brain/blood spatter spraying out of the front, of Kennedy's head, meaning that was the exit wound.
@SecretService80 TheZapruder film shows JFK lurched Back. And it clearly shows he brain matter spill onto the TRUNK. How would a bullet coming from the BACK cause this?
what a perfect cover up, the fbi confiscated all film and video , suggesting a federal investigation to find the killer, but little did people, know that is was a fed cover-up , all film that showed the shot from the grassy knoll area, DESTROYED!!
Go to the video titled, Texas School Book Depository Employees - Part 3
At the 2:56 minute mark, you will see & hear James Jarman, Jr... He is the man who assassinated President Kennedy.
The two previous guys shown, Norman & Williams were co-conspirators. Along with Charles Douglas Givens (Not shown)...
Do an "MSN" search with the key words, James Jarman, Jr., Assassin, for the entire story... The 8th site listed, "The John F" is the most comprehensive...
People need to listen to Dictabelt recording. I used to be a WC defender until I heard the D recording and watched some of bobharris's videos. It all makes sense now.
Magicbirdaustin: I submit that you have NEVER listened to the dictabelt recording, or, if you have, that it could not POSSIBLY have changed your mind about the case. I await your response.
What does the dictabelt recording prove? You cannot hear any gunshots on it, period, and that is because there were none recorded on it, period. This has been proven. And Bob Harris videos??--LOL! He's nothing but a nutcase.
I've never seen the Bronson film before. Is anyone aware if the new generation of computer experts/image experts have examined this film to see if they can see Oswald in the 6th floor window. They had computer image experts examine the Muchmore photo and determined their was no gunman in the grassy knoll area.
I think people ran up the hill to see if there was any commotion on the otherside; and the government AND independent researchers have concluded there was no second gunman.
Oh, since the government said so, there for it's true.
And many inpendent research have also concluded that there was a second shooter.
And why would a group of people all simultaneously run somewhere to "see if there was any commotion"? That makes absolutely no sense. They all ran there because they all saw something.
Nobody testified to seeing anything on the knoll (at the time) They all ran up on the knoll because they were following a police officer who rode his motorcycle up there, upon seeing another officer already there, and wanting to know what was going on. Of the handful of people who were KNOWN to be on the knoll at the time, NONE of them, repeat NONE, NONE, NONE of them claimed to hear or see a shot coming from the knoll. (this is of course redundant, considering the medical evidence)
No, they didn´t all run to the knoll because a policeman went there. Several witnesses saw flashes of light and smoke coming from the knoll, including almost every railroad worker standing on the triple overpass, overlooking Elm. The smell of gunsmoke was also reported on the knoll. If you claim that no witnesses claimed to hear or see a shot coming from the knoll you are just wrong. Stop being a sheep is all I can say, ShutterBun2. Think for yourself.
1. NOBODY testified to "flashes of light" or smoke on the knoll until months or years later (for Mark Lane)
2. Only 1 worker on the triple overpass reported seeing smoke at the knoll; his 2 cohorts (and some police officers) saw nothing.
3. Many people claimed they "heard" shots from the knoll that day, but they all (except 1) claimed that ALL of the shots came from the knoll. Do you still believe them?
4. All eyewitnesses to a knoll shooter only came out years later.None claimed it on 11/22/63
Sorry Steenville, I don't mean to interrupt your busy life, but if you'd care to offer any evidence to back up your denials, I'd be happy to consider them. And yes, your time is probably better spent pursuing other interests, but please don't pretend to enter into a reasonable debate thinking you know the first thing about it, since you've obviously been too busy having threesomes with Playmates and whatnot.
There was a lot of strange stuff going on up on the knoll though. You're right that there was exists much more compelling evidence in the TSBD. Yet it is possible that shots came from both directions.
Lee Bowyer's evidence highlights suspicious activity. Roger Craig arrested a woman driving away from the carpark behind the knoll. No records of her arrest exist. And many witnesses came across an individual posing as an SS agent.
None of this is conclusive yet it is deserving of our attention.
Lee Bowers' original testimony was far less sinister sounding. Mark Lane goaded him into adding details (smoke, flash of light, etc.) months later. And please don't listen to anything Roger Craig said. He had a borderline personality even before 11/22/63 and got steadily worse until his suicide. His signed report for that day says nothing about any arrests.
As far as "posing as Secret Service," Oswald himself thought he met an SS agent on his way out of the TSBD. It was just a reporter!
I'm not "denying" any strange activities, just explaining them. The fact that many of these "strange activities" did not emerge until several years after the fact is reason to believe that many eyewitnesses embelished their testimony over time.
its not just testimony is events that point at conspiracy and people motives and their actions and the whole situation, to be in doubt is fine but to accept the fed story just because no one came and said "yeah i did it" doesnt mean that he wasnt targeted by members of our govenment and the cia itself. well never know for sure because everyone is dead and all evidence has either been accounted for or burned or offed. but we can and WILL speculate in a logical manner about it...
why would i start out with that? thats an absurd point of departure when other minds have for years already sufficiently engendered enough doubt in the official conclusion, that it renders it almost irrelevant to what happened all those years ago. theres 2 many improbabilities in this event for me to accept what bs is fed to us, Ruby himself is enough. oh ya what a patriot jack ruby LMFAO. nonsense
You can see the Lee Bowers interview on the Rush to Judgement VHS video. Lane asks simple questions and lets Bowers answer. Shame Lee Bowers was killed in a mysterious auto accident just three months later.
Yeah, but you know where ELSE you can see Lee Bower's *Sworn* testimony? In the freakin' Warren Report! He says nothing about a "flash of light, or smoke" there. I implore you to at least read Mark Lane's (and related) testimony before the Warren Commission before you trust ANYTHING in his film. His badgering and coersion of Helen Markham is nothing short of a travesty of justice. He's damn lucky to have escaped a contempt charge from Earl Warren himself!
Mark Lane simply asked Bowers for finish an answer that was "cut off" during his WC testimony about the puff of smoke. Watch the RTJ video and you'll see for yourself. As to Markam she gave a description of the Tippit murder that was contradicted by every other witness. Read, "Vinnie, it is Round" and you'll see what I mean. You will also see why Warren DIDN'T charge Lane with contempt !
It would be difficult for anyone by Lane to decide that Bowers was "cut off" during his testimony. He first mentioned a commotion, then Ball brought it up again, solicited a description of the commotion, which Bowers couldn't state, beyond "a sort of milling around," then Ball asks him AGAIN to try to describe it.
Not only that, he gave him another opportunity at the end of his testimony to clarify or make any additions, which he declined. Bowers said about the same thing to the FBI and DPD.
The first officer up the knoll held a man at gunpoint. The man produced Secret Service ID and he let him go. Do reporters have SS ID's? What would a report be doing up there anyway?
@ShutterBun2 Then why do people rush up the knoll? And I've seen a photo on a website jfkmurdersolved com (a link under the knoll photo section) of a mans shadow walking away from the knoll behind the fence.
I'm not saying I believe this stuff, but there are alot of weird things when you start looking into this.
I would also state I'm not a conspiracy nut or 9/11 truther.
Even if all that is true, which you putting it caps doesn't make it so; that doesn't contradict what I said at all; actually it confirms it.
In contradiction to what I was responding to: that a bunch of people all at the same time would run towards the same direction not having seen anything there, but to see "if" there was commotion, is patently ridiculous. They all ran there because something was/had happened there to draw their attention.
Yobachi, spend some more time in crowd situations. It's easily demonstrated that a crowd can be led by little more than the movements of an authority figure (i.e. a police officer) or a hastily shouted "I heard something over there!" Mob mentality takes over at that point. The mere fact that NONE of the people running up to the knoll testified that they saw a shooter is proof enough of this. Feel free to provide an example proving me wrong.
I need not prove you wrong, as you didn't provide any proof of anything.
You just made a false conclusion logical fallacy, & then claimed it was proof. You presented a weak hypothesis that because they didn't see there shooter there wasn't one, but offer no proof of your hypothesis.
By your "logic" when others went to the school book depository after the shooting & didn't see LHO there, that's proof that Oswald wasn't there at the time the shots were fired & therefore wasn't the shooter
I can't prove a negative any better than you can. But I have FAR more credible witnesses AND forensic evidence on my side. I have at least 2 immediate eye-witnesses, the conspiracists have ZERO. I have physical evidence, the conspiracists have NONE. Shots from the TSBD have been proven. If you want to claim shots from the knoll, the burden of proof is on you. A handfull of spectators running that direction is proof of nothing.
Ordinarily I'd say "yes, you're right: people running to the TSBD was proof of nothing,"except for a few facts:
1.Witnesses on the 5th floor heard shots coming from directly overhead
2.Witnesses on the street saw Oswald and/or a rifle in that window
3.Oswald himself was spotted in the building less than 2 minutes later.
So we have lots of people running to both locations. One group found a LOT of evidence, the other found nothing. While this isn't "proof" it's certainly compelling evidence.
It sure is a shame that the "Babooshka Lady" film never surfaced.. and too bad that the young black couple behind the retaining wall, as Marilyn Sitzman talked of, has never stepped forward. But I guess they saw something they weren´t supposed to see..
The window's in the film, yeah. The last building shown is the Texas School Book Depository (you can tell 'cause it's got a big "Hertz" sign on the roof).
You can't see Oswald, though.
Presumably, the clip was made after the assassination, but it's tough to say HOW long after... The angles in this film indicate that the camera man must have done some walking.
In any case, Oswald presumably would have fled the scene by the time the building was filmed.
themeaningoflife38; agree. He was most probably eating his lunch on the 2nd floor or standing in the window on the 2nd floor, when the assassination happened.
This film purportedly disproves the theory of Howard Donahue, featured in Bonar Menninger's book Mortal Error, that JFK was inadvertently shot in the head by SS agent George Hickey. Hickey was in the follow-up car & raised his AR-15 rifle after JFK was shot in the throat. Donahue, a ballistics expert, traced the head shot back to Hickey. How does the Bronson film disprove this? True, it shows the SS car behind JFK's--which Zapruder doesn't--but it's too far away to make anything out.
I dont know about dhart and that stuff but wy wud u try to shoot sum1 on a curving road with a tree in the way rather than a long straight road?Plus is it actualy possible to reload a bolt action rifle that quickly and still get off accurate shots?
Some of you may notice on the right side of this page is Related Videos. 'What really happened at Dealey Plaza' by DHart007 is complete fabrication. DHart is also dishonest and probably a govt disinformation agent.
DHart removes comments of anyone who disagree with the government manufactured video and directs people to other film clips and websites that show reality and truth.
DHart lies when he claims he is only removing personal attacks on him.
Well said. I am blocked from DHart007's channel. One of his favourite tactics is to selectively delete comments in a way which leaves behind a gross misrepresentation of the dialogue that has occurred between commenters. I never used bad language on his page, and made only honest points supported by strong lines of evidence - but DHart007 is a charlatan and a coward, and is frightened of anyone who is either more knowledgeable than him, or who holds any contradictory opinion. Let's expose him.
actualy JFK found out about the secret program of aliens and secret drug smuggling from george bush the first. and was going to reveal it to the public when one of the drivers secret servicemen john rear i dont know how it was spelt was the assassinater i cant go on for more and more but you just better prepare yourselves for what we have been lied to about. and when this happens... i just want you to know.... well.
it is great that you all are looking at this with great skill in being your own detectives but tell me, don't you think that is a lil fucked in how all the murders and nothing was happened, and now Hillary is reminding them of the murder in june 68(jfk 63,bobby 68 then mary 69)...i hope all the STUPID Americans vote her in then she can finish everyone off!
why did every cameraman stop filming after the shots were fired pretty much, this one and another persons where theres the tree. its like the camera skipped the film its too bad, there could of been so many different views
A lot of people brought their home movie cameras. How awesome! But Abraham Zepruder's film is the most famous and accurately shows the murder happening.
It's funny how it's 2008 and I can still see that this is a fuckin set up and be from a totally different world than a guy like E. Howard Hunt who blew the whistle on this bullshit stating exactly what I thought and us never even crossing fuckin paths. Yet and still U have these overly patriotic dumb fucks who R so for their country in denial of this shit. E. Howard Hunt is just a fuckin liar huh? And George Bush is the most honest guy to ever live right? BULL FUCKIN SHIT!!!
Illslogic for those of those who don't know. Hunt was a CIA agent and one of the Watergate burglers. Hunt's estranged son said his old man told him on his deathbed that the father was invited into a plot to kill Kennedy but declined to participate. Hunt supposedly blamed Johnson for the murder. He exonerated the CIA of involvement. He was well pleased Kennedy was dead, since he thought Kennedy was weak on Communism.
It was nice of the old man to sit in for the recording. The son may have been a drug addict but his father was much worse. I tend not to believe what he says. He's a documented liar. I can't even imagine him telling the truth even on his death bed. He probably simply wanted to exonerate his pals in the CIA and blame Johnson.
Everyone keeps saying how JFK didn't want any ppl with him but any fuckin body can say what a dead man requested it's not like he's hear to say that it's bullshit. Fuck this shit, this was a fishy situation and even the most patriotic flag waver should be able to at least kinda see that.
ill study the facts. do you want me to show you eher to find a newspaper atricel from11/23/63 i9n a NY paper that said Kennedy traveled with alot less securoty in a NY city motorcade a fews weeks before with even less security then Dallas and it was on his orders. You can also find pictures of him in motorcades in other country with no agents on the bumpers. this video is crap.
You are right even the day after the assassination,11/23/63 the secret service were offering this dubious cover story their own failure to protect Kennedy. My opinion is they should have been charged as accesories for facilitaing the Presiden't murder.
the secret service wasn't the ones saying it. A new york paper was and it looked into the 11/14/63 visit by Kennedy. In that visit because people had complained in the past that he blocked traffic with his motorcades he had alot less sucurity then he did in Dallas and even stopped at red lights. The cop who oversaw the motorcade said it was Kennedy's orders. Just like Kennedy wanted the open car motorcade on 11/22 and even advertised that the limo would move slow.
true.lol..now he doesn't like what a newspaper articel says so obviously its a lie. yeah I am sure they would lie about it knowing the kennedys and there aids would probably find out about the articel. and obviously many NYers saw it..but because it doesn't fit what you want its a lie. but the woen who came foward syears later about tippit affair you are sure is telling the truth..
all this footage ends up underscoring how remarkably good the Zapruder footage was-obviously he was unfortunately in the right spot to film this horrible tragedy. Do not forget that a man lost his life here in a brutal and vicious way.
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abigale..wrong..the dallas securty was normal for kennedy motorcades. this can be proven by pictures of esrlier motorcades. kennedy didn;t want agents on his bumpers. thats a provne fact.
It's made up crap to cover their ass. Only gullible believe it. The Dallas cops said they fought but lost in their effort to provide Kennedy with more motorcycles. They SS also put the camera car behind the motorcade so the photographer's wouldn't be able to film the assassination. And the film they did take is worthless. Watch it on youtube, kennedy can't even be seen. All you see is the huge crowd.
true what proof do you have that the SS put cameras behind the motorcade so they couldn't film the assasination? Its really a dumb theory considering Kennedy was riding out in the open with cameras all over the place. I can't believe you just segested it. who decided to ride in an open motorcade through Dllas. Let me help you..kennedy and his aids. Name me a cop who said they fought to have more motorcycles like ti would have mattered anywhere..
Can some one tell me,what kind of car that white one is,to the right of Kennedy's car.And did they ever try to find out who the driver was?(U remember the black father and son,that shoot at peops from the back of the car?)
At the Zapruder film u see that same car drive verry slowly at the right side of the road.How the hell did that car get in front of the motor cade???? And where was it driving when Kennedy was 2 streets back???
What more proof do you need, there is no clear, professionally taken, film of the assassination. You can also read the testimony of AP photo journalist Altgens who forced his way off the camera car and ran to the front where he was the only professional photographer to take a single photo during the assassination. look at the back photo, you'll see Johnson SS men responding while JFK's SS men are not.
True another lame argument. Johnon't people were in the same car as Johnson. Kennedy's agents were in one moving car trying to protect someone in another moving car..silly to compare. you gave no proof that the photographers were put behind so they could not take pictures of the assaination..you are assuming this becasue you want to believe in a conspiracy..again a silly argument seeing how everyone knoew pictures would be taken by people lining the route anyway.
It's a historical fact the camera car was placed behind the presidential limousine. In all other motorcades it was placed in front of the President to facilitate filming. Does that not make sense to you. If you want to see the actual film taken by the camera car see "Couch film of John F. Kennedy" on right on youtube.
If you look at the full Altgens photo, you can see the door of the SS car (behind Johnson) open, Rufus Youngblood is about to jump out of the car and run to the VP car and jump on top of Johnson and Senator Yarborough.
Look at all the really crappy pictures taken by bystanders. Aren't they really awful? Even the Zapruder film is a blurred silent movie. And Kennedy was the most photographed man in the world. And for some reason, the professional photographers were unable to even see him at the time of the assasination. You don't find thissuspicious at all?
and if someone had run up from behind kennedy and shot him you would be saying thank god the photograghers were where they were. they happened to be behind him and without proof because you want it to be a conspiracy you are acting like its sinister. and its silly to complain about the pictures taken..like the SS knoew what quality pictures would be taken..give me a break.
What kind of cameras were available to the general public in 1963? They were terrible. These old box cameras, that you had to hold by your waist. The super eight cameras that filmed for 20 seconds at most. That's pretty typical of what was available. You could be certain, if the camera car was behind Kennedy, unable to see him, there would be no clear film of the assassination.
Even in that blurred silent film, it seems to show Kennedy hit first, Connoly turns around and seems to be hit by a seperate shot. Kennedy seems to be then hit by a shot from the front. By the way, they didn't show the film on national television until 1975, and they only now only show it on national TV with "experts" to explain why you can't believe your own eyes.
true you are way off on the shot sequence. kennedy and connaly were obviously hit by the same shot..you can even see connallys coat move at the same time kennedy starts to react. it is obvious kennedy never got hit from the front..if that was true why did he move foward at an incredibel rate of speed before going showly backwards..
Yes I know, I saw the cartoon too. Especially liked the part where its true because the cartoonist says its true and no MD or pathologist is asked what he thinks of the cartoonist theories. The cartoonist won't release the underlying data he used to create the animation either, so that can't be questioned either. Connoly's doctor told the WC that it would be impossible to make the movements shown on the film, if he was hit at that point. He can't believe his lying eyes, either.
don't know what you are talking about cartoon. Connallys doctor was not a patholigist. what was his doctors name. again so why did his shit fly up at the same time kennedy reacted..waiting to hear this.
LOL.. yeah ok the wind just happned to move his coat at the exact same time he was shot in the exact same spot..truenovice its amazing that you can't see how silly your arguments are. this sums it up. you want to believe in a conspiracy and no proof or logic will change that. when confonted with facts and logic you will say things like there was wind that day.
Dr. Shaw is just a world class surgeon, considered one of the best in the United States. Shaw told the WC that his knowledge of anatomy and physiology it would be impossible for Connoly to have been hit at that point and still make the movements. The wound ballistics expert the WC consulted Dr. Dolce, of the US Army also told Specter it was impossible. So, Specter refused to allow him to testify.
And Specter was just then just obnoxious connected fraudster who wouldn't let any of the experts who disagreed with the Single Bullet Theory testify. You can see the opinion of the FBI agent who had dealing with him on you tube - it is very low.
Besides the cartoonist is there a patholigiist who has said that both men were hit at frame 224, when the lapel opens, the HSCA review of the film said the first shat that hit JFK was at frame 190, the Warren Commisionat fram 212. So, the silent film speaks differently depending on who views it.
again where is the proof that they put the repoers behind so they couldn't get a shot of the assasination. and again this is such a rediculous theory I a amazed that you keep repeated it. They knew many people would be taking pictures at that point but you are actualy trying to say they were worried about pictures..you are kidding right.
nesnman Any evidence at all that Oswald knew the parade route before the assassination? Oswald supposedly goes to his wife at the Paine residence on Thursday, the day before the assassination. He surreptiously conceals a large brown paper bag taken made from the paper rollers without the sticky paper getting wet. Finds his rifle in the garage, takes it out, disassembles it to fit in the bag, conceals it in the bag, stores it somewhere, so he can get it the Friday before he is driven to work.
I could go on and on with you about what happened. But just look at Oswald. Look at the last 6 months before he did it. And I have no doubt that he did it. And he did it by himself. So many lies on the internet about the event.
i disagree oswald looks too perfect i think he was involved in something was probably told to go to the theater i dont think he was the shooter and i believe there was more than one shooter remember he wasnt even picked up when he returned from the ussr and questioned and then killed on live tv in police custody a more perfect patsy never existed
I thought "Beyond Conspiracy" was little more than a government propaganda film, that left out most of the relevant facts. It should be on the cartoon network not the history channel.
What happened to Pic Charles took several minutes before Limo showed up. Larry Flynt made it public LONG Time ago. Two Men in the exact window.Look at comment.iloveElla
Ignore cdddraftsman, he's just messin with yer head. If you want to know where the other shots came from, there is on YouTube, interviews with eyewitnesses who describe shooting from the grassy knoll. Ignore the flawed Warren Report. Get it from the source. Search for SM Holland. Only the government could cover that up.
Anybody who reads the unfiltered and unselected witness testimony will quickly find that even honest sober witnesses have wild , wacky , and often downright bizarre elements in their testimony . Consider, for example : Sam Holland , who thought that after Kennedy was shot Jackie "jumped up and tried to get over in the back seat to him ." America wants to know why you embarrass yourself by being so intellectually dishonest ?
Your trying to use that to discredit him AND the other 50 witnesses. From where he stood, Jackie was behind the driver and Connally's wife. And she did get up out of her seat. I'd say you embarrass yourself, but you have no sense of shame in my opinion.
You consider this, if Howard Brennan never said he saw Oswald then the whole Warren Commission would have no evidence of Oswald shooting Kennedy from the window. Brennan is the WC's hero.
Who said he never saw LHO in the window ? He gave a generic description of a person so the police wouldn't be looking for a short , bald and fat man . That's his main contribution . Do you always get everything so fouled up in this case ?
Yet Sam Holland was able to describe JFK and JBC being hit by seperate bullets when they were farther away ? Come on Eddie pull your head otta your butt !
Wrong ! He gave a description in Dealy Plaza , that was broadcast minutes after the Assassination , that's on the police dictabelt , that DPD Officer Tippit used to stop LHO and was killed by ! Your a Kook and shouldn't be commenting on any matters in regards to this event ! Sign Off & Get Lost !
Then maybe i was wrong yes, but saying that i need to get lost is just sad, hell you think you know everything but you wouldn't debate someone on the JFKlancer forum.
I'd much rather try and talk Osama Bin Laden out of his belief in the Muslim Faith before going anywhere near those dangerous people , I suggest staying away from them , their goal is to have people stop thinking and they will do the thinking for them . They are all 24 caret phony's , there's no question about it , sorry , you go debate them .
BTW , JFK/Lancer used to have a requirement before they took your $ that you had to sign a denouncement of the SBT , later they dropped that notion , they said they needed the $ more then a signed denouncement . OK ? Now you tell me what kind of integrity a organization has after pulling a stunt like that ? They would sell their mothers soul for the tail end of a anchovy . Silly boy !
Their members that run that den of iniquity are cheap scam artists that never once did a experimentation with a rifle to back their play . They use cheap cheap cheap cheap words in place of sound reasoning and I told them so in many e-mails that they never returned because they knew I was right . Fuck JFK Lancer were they breath for all I care . Those bastards will rott in hell for eternity for selling they country down the drain !
Part 2<<They use cheap cheap cheap cheap words in place of sound reasoning...Fuck JFK Lancer were they breath for all I care . Those bastards will rott in hell for eternity for selling they country down the drain ! >>Cdd
Could THAT be why they don't respond to you? Talk about "cheap words"! 'nuff said on this subject.
So debating on a level field would be nice , but when the opposition holds a intransigent position and refuses to conceed that their logic is faulty at best , what is the use in trying to change the minds of people who are financially ensconced into conspiracy as their only vocation and will never admit there was no conspiracy ?
So debating on a level field would be nice...Talk to David Von Pein about that >> Cdd
I only recently checked out Lancer, but noticed Rahn, unlike DVP, is still posting w/o suspension (I think he posted in June). OK, I'll take your word for it--but that begs the questions: why does Rahn continue to post, and why do they allow him to if he pushes the LN position that they prefer to censor?
Well basboll there's no getting around this question , for once I've been nailed to the wall , all excape routes blocked and nothing to do but answer your question . Prof. Rahn , unlike myself , is a total gentleman , he's also modest and a master of logic , critical and classical thinking skills . He checks other scientists papers for flaws and reasoning of logic .
He's a master of using multi-various analytical skills to determine falsifiability and the proper context of which to enter into a subject before asking the very first question in any problem . For example : Who killed JFK is the last question to ask if ever in this case . Sound odd ? Well I thought so too until he explained it using flawless reasoning . I can explain further if you wish .
hell you think you know everything but you wouldn't debate someone on the JFKlancer forum.>>Koplamp to CDD, who responded >>I'd much rather try and talk Osama Bin Laden out of his belief in the Muslim Faith before going anywhere near those dangerous people.>>
Ken Rahn, one of Cdd's heroes, is a member and debates the CT's there.
Ken Rahn ? I talk to him all the time , what he does is his business and my business is mine , whats your point ? So , answer the comments I made below and quite changing the subject when you get your balls nailed to the wall . JFK Lancer is a intellectually dishonest organization with a agenda of selling conspiracy come hell or high water .
To Cdd Part 1: <<Ken Rahn ? I talk to him all the time , what he does is his business and my business is mine , whats your point ? >Cdd
I was pointing out to Koplamp that other LN's DO (since you don't wish to for the reasons you gave above) debate there. You hold Ken in high regard, so I figured Koplamp would like to see an LN in action debating CT's on that forum. Geeeshhh...a little sensitive are we?
WTF Of course it has no audio. This is the 60's. You shouldn't be getting so pissed off about this.
ert94464isback 1 month ago
no audio again. fucking american cunts!!
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KilbyGriffin 8 months ago
This seems to be an important piece of evidence that debunks all conspiracy theories abt the Zapruder film being tampered with, spliced, etc. You can clearly see the movements of the same witnesses in the background of the Z film here (in the foreground from 0:21-0:22) and the timing is exactly as it is in the Z film.
paraconti 9 months ago
@paraconti i don´t see anything
Heyson198621 3 weeks ago
There can still be a conspriacy in play if there were but one shooter from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository !
Carlos Marcello, in conjuction with David Ferrie and Lee H. Oswald, conspired to kill JFK.
Carlos Marcello, in conjuction with David Ferrie and Jack Ruby, conspired to kill Lee H. Oswald.
Carlos Marcello, in conjuction with his mafia soldiers, conspired to kill David Ferrie.
Jack Ruby died soon after while in prison.
ardoinjc 10 months ago
Short, but interesting.
You have to study it to see things.
George Vreeland Hill
GeorgeVreelandHill 11 months ago
the assassination is 0:21 to 0:23 - I can't see much here - I guess some people have eyes like a hawk.
hownos 1 year ago
I don't see anything here. When is the assassination ??
hownos 1 year ago
Does anybody else notice movement in the last two windows to the right 0:27 i am not sure but i believe this is the Texas School Book Depository and if their is movement in both of these windows that means that their is 2 shooters
TheRevanPotter 1 year ago
They didn't NEED to alter all the footage.
MaudsPas 1 year ago
I wonder if the government altered this film too? If you believe they messed with the Zapruder film then they would have had to mess with all the fim taken in Dealey Plaza. And if you believe that then they would have had to mess with all the still photographs and all the television film footage, plus all the photos taken by the newspapers. If you're a Loonspirator, you'll believe the government did all that and more.
autoad 1 year ago
The reason I'm so fascinated by this case is how quickly everything happened. Kennedy arrives in Dallas as the young, handsome President, accompanied by his beautiful wife and soaks up the adoration of hundreds of thousands of people on a sunny day.
Less than an hour later he's gone forever and all that power and wealth counted for nothing. Less than three hours later he returns to the scene of his arrival-this time in a coffin. It's the suddeness.
MALCBAGGIE 1 year ago 3
2 secs of the actual shooting on this. Why did it end so abruptly? A few more seconds would have us determining key points on where witnesses like Moorman and Muchmore stood and clear up timing issues.
paraconti 1 year ago
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Here's what the wounding on the right/rear of the head looked like as the limo sped out of Dealey Plaza....
youtube.com/watch?v=WpM1P5TVdDc
Here from two Dealey Plaza films is the moment the wounding on the right rear of the head occurred...
youtube.com/watch?v=igMVdcT3FCo
Here's how the doctors/nurses at Parkland hospital were physically in a position at his head to observe that right/rear wounding
youtube.com/watch?v=0Qc4fhaBoxI
mimusremedium 1 year ago
Hehe. JFK was shot from the back, but his brains and skull splattered all over the limo trunk. Hehehe. Zapruder film shows how his head moves back and left, but some people insist he moves "rapidly" to the front, jejeje. Two different sets of autopsy pics can be found which show completely different wounds, but people insist there is no conspiracy (one way or the other. Hehehe.
JPRichardson 1 year ago
can't believe oswald wasn't captured on film/photo somewhere leaving the depository and walking up elm.
MALCBAGGIE 1 year ago
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FutureLawMan 1 year ago
At frame 311-312 of the Zapruder film, JFK's head jerks slightly foreward in 1/18th of a second, 1/18th of a second after that, at frame 313, his head explodes...
Shot from behind.
The head snap to the rear is the force of the blood spray and/or a neuromuscular reaction.
SecretService80 1 year ago
@SecretService80 at 0:24 why is JFK's car slowing down when he's already been shot? Does the person filming just suddenly turn their camera off at that moment, or has it been spliced?
stig781 1 year ago
@stig781 William Greer, the driver, slowed the car to see what was happening. By time he sped up again it was to late. Mr. Bronson DID turn off his camera because even at the distance he was at, he still saw President Kennedy's head explode.
SecretService80 1 year ago
-1st shot- Z-161, TSBD-missed, hit James Tauge.
-2nd shot- Z-223, TSDB-Kennedy's back, Connally's back/wrist/thigh.
-3rd shot- Z-312/313, TSBD-Kennedy's head.
There was someone on the Grassy Knoll, but they didn't fire the shots...
SecretService80 1 year ago
@SecretService80 There were witnesses who saw a bullet hole in the windshield AND damage from a bullet strike to the metal edge of the windshield. A guy who worked at the plant where they made Lincolns remembers a continental with a hole in the centre of the windshield coming in for a windshield replacement a couple of days after the assassination. That makes 5 shots in total which (in the time frame) is impossible from the TSBD.
Even 3 shots in the time frame would have been very difficult
funkmasterjee 1 year ago
@funkmasterjee Compelling evidence, but I believe that due to Kennedy's sudden (VERY FAST) snap forward (as if a bullet struck the back of his head) shows the fatal shot from behind, an let's not forget the Zapruder Film clearly shows the brain/blood spatter spraying out of the front, of Kennedy's head, meaning that was the exit wound.
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MaudsPas 1 year ago
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@SecretService80 TheZapruder film shows JFK lurched Back. And it clearly shows he brain matter spill onto the TRUNK. How would a bullet coming from the BACK cause this?
MaudsPas 1 year ago
what a perfect cover up, the fbi confiscated all film and video , suggesting a federal investigation to find the killer, but little did people, know that is was a fed cover-up , all film that showed the shot from the grassy knoll area, DESTROYED!!
Apoic123 2 years ago
The Zapruder film was shot from the grassy knoll...
Midsten 2 years ago
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Go to the video titled, Texas School Book Depository Employees - Part 3
At the 2:56 minute mark, you will see & hear James Jarman, Jr... He is the man who assassinated President Kennedy.
The two previous guys shown, Norman & Williams were co-conspirators. Along with Charles Douglas Givens (Not shown)...
Do an "MSN" search with the key words, James Jarman, Jr., Assassin, for the entire story... The 8th site listed, "The John F" is the most comprehensive...
freedomhill68 2 years ago
who has concluded there was no 2nd gunman?..u better read more or learn how to read
weegmon 2 years ago
People need to listen to Dictabelt recording. I used to be a WC defender until I heard the D recording and watched some of bobharris's videos. It all makes sense now.
magicbirdaustin 2 years ago
Magicbirdaustin: I submit that you have NEVER listened to the dictabelt recording, or, if you have, that it could not POSSIBLY have changed your mind about the case. I await your response.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
What does the dictabelt recording prove? You cannot hear any gunshots on it, period, and that is because there were none recorded on it, period. This has been proven. And Bob Harris videos??--LOL! He's nothing but a nutcase.
IwshIcldstrtover 2 years ago
it was me!..........sshh
EpicDJC 2 years ago
I've never seen the Bronson film before. Is anyone aware if the new generation of computer experts/image experts have examined this film to see if they can see Oswald in the 6th floor window. They had computer image experts examine the Muchmore photo and determined their was no gunman in the grassy knoll area.
wedsprfmj 3 years ago
Of course there was a 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll...Why else would everyone run up the hill?
DavidAtleePhilips 3 years ago
I think people ran up the hill to see if there was any commotion on the otherside; and the government AND independent researchers have concluded there was no second gunman.
cpearson123 2 years ago
Oh, since the government said so, there for it's true.
And many inpendent research have also concluded that there was a second shooter.
And why would a group of people all simultaneously run somewhere to "see if there was any commotion"? That makes absolutely no sense. They all ran there because they all saw something.
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
Nobody testified to seeing anything on the knoll (at the time) They all ran up on the knoll because they were following a police officer who rode his motorcycle up there, upon seeing another officer already there, and wanting to know what was going on. Of the handful of people who were KNOWN to be on the knoll at the time, NONE of them, repeat NONE, NONE, NONE of them claimed to hear or see a shot coming from the knoll. (this is of course redundant, considering the medical evidence)
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
No, they didn´t all run to the knoll because a policeman went there. Several witnesses saw flashes of light and smoke coming from the knoll, including almost every railroad worker standing on the triple overpass, overlooking Elm. The smell of gunsmoke was also reported on the knoll. If you claim that no witnesses claimed to hear or see a shot coming from the knoll you are just wrong. Stop being a sheep is all I can say, ShutterBun2. Think for yourself.
Steenville 2 years ago
1. NOBODY testified to "flashes of light" or smoke on the knoll until months or years later (for Mark Lane)
2. Only 1 worker on the triple overpass reported seeing smoke at the knoll; his 2 cohorts (and some police officers) saw nothing.
3. Many people claimed they "heard" shots from the knoll that day, but they all (except 1) claimed that ALL of the shots came from the knoll. Do you still believe them?
4. All eyewitnesses to a knoll shooter only came out years later.None claimed it on 11/22/63
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Not correct- and seriously, ShutterBun2, I have better things to do than spend my time arguing with sheep like you.
Steenville 2 years ago
Sorry Steenville, I don't mean to interrupt your busy life, but if you'd care to offer any evidence to back up your denials, I'd be happy to consider them. And yes, your time is probably better spent pursuing other interests, but please don't pretend to enter into a reasonable debate thinking you know the first thing about it, since you've obviously been too busy having threesomes with Playmates and whatnot.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
There was a lot of strange stuff going on up on the knoll though. You're right that there was exists much more compelling evidence in the TSBD. Yet it is possible that shots came from both directions.
Lee Bowyer's evidence highlights suspicious activity. Roger Craig arrested a woman driving away from the carpark behind the knoll. No records of her arrest exist. And many witnesses came across an individual posing as an SS agent.
None of this is conclusive yet it is deserving of our attention.
BukowskiPineapple 2 years ago
Lee Bowers' original testimony was far less sinister sounding. Mark Lane goaded him into adding details (smoke, flash of light, etc.) months later. And please don't listen to anything Roger Craig said. He had a borderline personality even before 11/22/63 and got steadily worse until his suicide. His signed report for that day says nothing about any arrests.
As far as "posing as Secret Service," Oswald himself thought he met an SS agent on his way out of the TSBD. It was just a reporter!
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Ah I see you're intent on denying any bit of evidence that might look somewhat strange. There's no point in us talking any more. Have a good one.
BukowskiPineapple 2 years ago
I'm not "denying" any strange activities, just explaining them. The fact that many of these "strange activities" did not emerge until several years after the fact is reason to believe that many eyewitnesses embelished their testimony over time.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
its not just testimony is events that point at conspiracy and people motives and their actions and the whole situation, to be in doubt is fine but to accept the fed story just because no one came and said "yeah i did it" doesnt mean that he wasnt targeted by members of our govenment and the cia itself. well never know for sure because everyone is dead and all evidence has either been accounted for or burned or offed. but we can and WILL speculate in a logical manner about it...
runelord37 2 years ago
@runelord37
Sounds reasonable. How about if you start out with HE DID IT, ALL BY HIMSELF, WITH NO HELP FROM ANYONE, dipshit!!
IamTheBeginning 2 years ago
why would i start out with that? thats an absurd point of departure when other minds have for years already sufficiently engendered enough doubt in the official conclusion, that it renders it almost irrelevant to what happened all those years ago. theres 2 many improbabilities in this event for me to accept what bs is fed to us, Ruby himself is enough. oh ya what a patriot jack ruby LMFAO. nonsense
runelord37 2 years ago
You can see the Lee Bowers interview on the Rush to Judgement VHS video. Lane asks simple questions and lets Bowers answer. Shame Lee Bowers was killed in a mysterious auto accident just three months later.
dr7guffey 2 years ago
Yeah, but you know where ELSE you can see Lee Bower's *Sworn* testimony? In the freakin' Warren Report! He says nothing about a "flash of light, or smoke" there. I implore you to at least read Mark Lane's (and related) testimony before the Warren Commission before you trust ANYTHING in his film. His badgering and coersion of Helen Markham is nothing short of a travesty of justice. He's damn lucky to have escaped a contempt charge from Earl Warren himself!
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Mark Lane simply asked Bowers for finish an answer that was "cut off" during his WC testimony about the puff of smoke. Watch the RTJ video and you'll see for yourself. As to Markam she gave a description of the Tippit murder that was contradicted by every other witness. Read, "Vinnie, it is Round" and you'll see what I mean. You will also see why Warren DIDN'T charge Lane with contempt !
drguffey 2 years ago
It would be difficult for anyone by Lane to decide that Bowers was "cut off" during his testimony. He first mentioned a commotion, then Ball brought it up again, solicited a description of the commotion, which Bowers couldn't state, beyond "a sort of milling around," then Ball asks him AGAIN to try to describe it.
Not only that, he gave him another opportunity at the end of his testimony to clarify or make any additions, which he declined. Bowers said about the same thing to the FBI and DPD.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Well here's part of Lee Bowers ACTUAL sworn testimony before the Warren comission:
Mr. BOWERS - I heard three shots. One, then a slight pause, then two very close together. Also reverberation from the shots.
Mr. BELIN - And were you able to form an opinion as to the source of the sound or what direction it came from, I mean?
Mr. BOWERS - The sounds came either from up against the School Depository Building or near the mouth of the triple underpass.
Pablofilmmaker 2 years ago
The first officer up the knoll held a man at gunpoint. The man produced Secret Service ID and he let him go. Do reporters have SS ID's? What would a report be doing up there anyway?
drguffey 2 years ago
@ShutterBun2 Then why do people rush up the knoll? And I've seen a photo on a website jfkmurdersolved com (a link under the knoll photo section) of a mans shadow walking away from the knoll behind the fence.
I'm not saying I believe this stuff, but there are alot of weird things when you start looking into this.
I would also state I'm not a conspiracy nut or 9/11 truther.
brunstar81 1 year ago
Even if all that is true, which you putting it caps doesn't make it so; that doesn't contradict what I said at all; actually it confirms it.
In contradiction to what I was responding to: that a bunch of people all at the same time would run towards the same direction not having seen anything there, but to see "if" there was commotion, is patently ridiculous. They all ran there because something was/had happened there to draw their attention.
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
Yobachi, spend some more time in crowd situations. It's easily demonstrated that a crowd can be led by little more than the movements of an authority figure (i.e. a police officer) or a hastily shouted "I heard something over there!" Mob mentality takes over at that point. The mere fact that NONE of the people running up to the knoll testified that they saw a shooter is proof enough of this. Feel free to provide an example proving me wrong.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
I need not prove you wrong, as you didn't provide any proof of anything.
You just made a false conclusion logical fallacy, & then claimed it was proof. You presented a weak hypothesis that because they didn't see there shooter there wasn't one, but offer no proof of your hypothesis.
By your "logic" when others went to the school book depository after the shooting & didn't see LHO there, that's proof that Oswald wasn't there at the time the shots were fired & therefore wasn't the shooter
Yobachi2007 2 years ago
I can't prove a negative any better than you can. But I have FAR more credible witnesses AND forensic evidence on my side. I have at least 2 immediate eye-witnesses, the conspiracists have ZERO. I have physical evidence, the conspiracists have NONE. Shots from the TSBD have been proven. If you want to claim shots from the knoll, the burden of proof is on you. A handfull of spectators running that direction is proof of nothing.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Ordinarily I'd say "yes, you're right: people running to the TSBD was proof of nothing,"except for a few facts:
1.Witnesses on the 5th floor heard shots coming from directly overhead
2.Witnesses on the street saw Oswald and/or a rifle in that window
3.Oswald himself was spotted in the building less than 2 minutes later.
So we have lots of people running to both locations. One group found a LOT of evidence, the other found nothing. While this isn't "proof" it's certainly compelling evidence.
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
Actually the Charles Bronson who shot this footage was indeed Charles Bronson The Actor
valiantbros 3 years ago
No it wasn't
robertmastroianni 2 years ago
the agents were up-to-par when it came time to grab everyones camera but they failed to secure the the area. Good grief
donotfret 3 years ago
do a search on "Operation Mockingbird" Henry Luce William Paley Allen Dulles John McCloy
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago
Is that Oswald's window. Has anybody enlarged this?
hvncb 3 years ago
oswald would have been gone if he was even there in the first place. it would have had to be shot right when the assassination transpired.
kruns11 3 years ago
there a lot of CIA propaganda agents on youtube.You see them on every JFK video.Gotta keep the big lie going.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago 2
Yeah they are watching Youtube-right
drudger6666 3 years ago
they're watching EVERYTHING they are all knowing and all powerful
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago 2
They want you to think that.
DavyCrockett2 3 years ago
They are in your bedroom...
Quiksilv89 3 years ago
lol
jmm5351 3 years ago
where is DHart007 ?
daejeon4567 3 years ago
It sure is a shame that the "Babooshka Lady" film never surfaced.. and too bad that the young black couple behind the retaining wall, as Marilyn Sitzman talked of, has never stepped forward. But I guess they saw something they weren´t supposed to see..
Steenville 3 years ago 4
So the window Lee Harvey Oswald was sat in just before he shot JFK was in this film? Can u see Lee Harvey Oswald?
hutchyw117 3 years ago
The window's in the film, yeah. The last building shown is the Texas School Book Depository (you can tell 'cause it's got a big "Hertz" sign on the roof).
You can't see Oswald, though.
Presumably, the clip was made after the assassination, but it's tough to say HOW long after... The angles in this film indicate that the camera man must have done some walking.
In any case, Oswald presumably would have fled the scene by the time the building was filmed.
UdallIn72 3 years ago
you cant see him cause he was on the 2nd floor at the time of the shooting.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago 2
themeaningoflife38; agree. He was most probably eating his lunch on the 2nd floor or standing in the window on the 2nd floor, when the assassination happened.
Steenville 3 years ago
"He was most probably eating his lunch on the 2nd floor or standing in the window on the 2nd floor, when the assassination happened."
And O.J. was playing golf in his front yard, right?
ShutterBun2 2 years ago
No, you were, ShutterBun2.
Steenville 2 years ago
This film purportedly disproves the theory of Howard Donahue, featured in Bonar Menninger's book Mortal Error, that JFK was inadvertently shot in the head by SS agent George Hickey. Hickey was in the follow-up car & raised his AR-15 rifle after JFK was shot in the throat. Donahue, a ballistics expert, traced the head shot back to Hickey. How does the Bronson film disprove this? True, it shows the SS car behind JFK's--which Zapruder doesn't--but it's too far away to make anything out.
cmumailman 3 years ago
I dont know about dhart and that stuff but wy wud u try to shoot sum1 on a curving road with a tree in the way rather than a long straight road?Plus is it actualy possible to reload a bolt action rifle that quickly and still get off accurate shots?
rigers0109 3 years ago
Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano used a 4-shot clip feed. No need to reload, just use the bolt-action.
The angle for the second and third shots (the shots that hit) WAS a virtually perfect straight line from the 6th flr. snipers nest.
Want to know a very difficult shot?
Looking through a scope from the grassy knoll following a small moving target from left to right.
pajasa62 3 years ago
Some of you may notice on the right side of this page is Related Videos. 'What really happened at Dealey Plaza' by DHart007 is complete fabrication. DHart is also dishonest and probably a govt disinformation agent.
DHart removes comments of anyone who disagree with the government manufactured video and directs people to other film clips and websites that show reality and truth.
DHart lies when he claims he is only removing personal attacks on him.
disinformationagent 3 years ago 9
Well said. I am blocked from DHart007's channel. One of his favourite tactics is to selectively delete comments in a way which leaves behind a gross misrepresentation of the dialogue that has occurred between commenters. I never used bad language on his page, and made only honest points supported by strong lines of evidence - but DHart007 is a charlatan and a coward, and is frightened of anyone who is either more knowledgeable than him, or who holds any contradictory opinion. Let's expose him.
susiedent 3 years ago 3
actualy JFK found out about the secret program of aliens and secret drug smuggling from george bush the first. and was going to reveal it to the public when one of the drivers secret servicemen john rear i dont know how it was spelt was the assassinater i cant go on for more and more but you just better prepare yourselves for what we have been lied to about. and when this happens... i just want you to know.... well.
bigpenis3473 3 years ago
I knew it was the fucking aliens! (not)
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it is great that you all are looking at this with great skill in being your own detectives but tell me, don't you think that is a lil fucked in how all the murders and nothing was happened, and now Hillary is reminding them of the murder in june 68(jfk 63,bobby 68 then mary 69)...i hope all the STUPID Americans vote her in then she can finish everyone off!
cabwhisperer 3 years ago
you can see two mans in the windows
watchr54 3 years ago
It was an inside job, just like 911.
okrabay 3 years ago
why did every cameraman stop filming after the shots were fired pretty much, this one and another persons where theres the tree. its like the camera skipped the film its too bad, there could of been so many different views
cliffdimerandy 3 years ago
A lot of people brought their home movie cameras. How awesome! But Abraham Zepruder's film is the most famous and accurately shows the murder happening.
LeanaJo76 4 years ago
Look at 00:26 there is sitting something behind the mast!
djvincemaster 4 years ago
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if jfk lived...he would have been the worst president
besides dubya
michaelw15 4 years ago
I doubt that. JFK was a competent President. The competition is fierce and no once can even touch the current occupant.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
Spoken like a true novice, that last sentence.
Pippin76 3 years ago 2
It's funny how it's 2008 and I can still see that this is a fuckin set up and be from a totally different world than a guy like E. Howard Hunt who blew the whistle on this bullshit stating exactly what I thought and us never even crossing fuckin paths. Yet and still U have these overly patriotic dumb fucks who R so for their country in denial of this shit. E. Howard Hunt is just a fuckin liar huh? And George Bush is the most honest guy to ever live right? BULL FUCKIN SHIT!!!
illslogic 4 years ago
Illslogic for those of those who don't know. Hunt was a CIA agent and one of the Watergate burglers. Hunt's estranged son said his old man told him on his deathbed that the father was invited into a plot to kill Kennedy but declined to participate. Hunt supposedly blamed Johnson for the murder. He exonerated the CIA of involvement. He was well pleased Kennedy was dead, since he thought Kennedy was weak on Communism.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
Hunt's son is also a drug addict desperate for money. That anyone listens to that nonesense says somethinbg in itself.
arther1045 4 years ago 2
It was nice of the old man to sit in for the recording. The son may have been a drug addict but his father was much worse. I tend not to believe what he says. He's a documented liar. I can't even imagine him telling the truth even on his death bed. He probably simply wanted to exonerate his pals in the CIA and blame Johnson.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
Everyone keeps saying how JFK didn't want any ppl with him but any fuckin body can say what a dead man requested it's not like he's hear to say that it's bullshit. Fuck this shit, this was a fishy situation and even the most patriotic flag waver should be able to at least kinda see that.
illslogic 4 years ago
ill study the facts. do you want me to show you eher to find a newspaper atricel from11/23/63 i9n a NY paper that said Kennedy traveled with alot less securoty in a NY city motorcade a fews weeks before with even less security then Dallas and it was on his orders. You can also find pictures of him in motorcades in other country with no agents on the bumpers. this video is crap.
arther1045 4 years ago
You are right even the day after the assassination,11/23/63 the secret service were offering this dubious cover story their own failure to protect Kennedy. My opinion is they should have been charged as accesories for facilitaing the Presiden't murder.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
the secret service wasn't the ones saying it. A new york paper was and it looked into the 11/14/63 visit by Kennedy. In that visit because people had complained in the past that he blocked traffic with his motorcades he had alot less sucurity then he did in Dallas and even stopped at red lights. The cop who oversaw the motorcade said it was Kennedy's orders. Just like Kennedy wanted the open car motorcade on 11/22 and even advertised that the limo would move slow.
arther1045 4 years ago
It was an obviously planted article. You really are naive if you think this New York paper or reporter wrote the article of its own volition.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
true.lol..now he doesn't like what a newspaper articel says so obviously its a lie. yeah I am sure they would lie about it knowing the kennedys and there aids would probably find out about the articel. and obviously many NYers saw it..but because it doesn't fit what you want its a lie. but the woen who came foward syears later about tippit affair you are sure is telling the truth..
arther1045 4 years ago
all this footage ends up underscoring how remarkably good the Zapruder footage was-obviously he was unfortunately in the right spot to film this horrible tragedy. Do not forget that a man lost his life here in a brutal and vicious way.
adfg 4 years ago
When Oswald died, this assasination became a puzzle...I wonder if he talked in jail to someone
BItterManXX 4 years ago
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meckiberger56 4 years ago
abigale..wrong..the dallas securty was normal for kennedy motorcades. this can be proven by pictures of esrlier motorcades. kennedy didn;t want agents on his bumpers. thats a provne fact.
arther1045 4 years ago
It's made up crap to cover their ass. Only gullible believe it. The Dallas cops said they fought but lost in their effort to provide Kennedy with more motorcycles. They SS also put the camera car behind the motorcade so the photographer's wouldn't be able to film the assassination. And the film they did take is worthless. Watch it on youtube, kennedy can't even be seen. All you see is the huge crowd.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
true what proof do you have that the SS put cameras behind the motorcade so they couldn't film the assasination? Its really a dumb theory considering Kennedy was riding out in the open with cameras all over the place. I can't believe you just segested it. who decided to ride in an open motorcade through Dllas. Let me help you..kennedy and his aids. Name me a cop who said they fought to have more motorcycles like ti would have mattered anywhere..
arther1045 4 years ago
Can some one tell me,what kind of car that white one is,to the right of Kennedy's car.And did they ever try to find out who the driver was?(U remember the black father and son,that shoot at peops from the back of the car?)
10Koekje68 4 years ago
At the Zapruder film u see that same car drive verry slowly at the right side of the road.How the hell did that car get in front of the motor cade???? And where was it driving when Kennedy was 2 streets back???
10Koekje68 4 years ago
What more proof do you need, there is no clear, professionally taken, film of the assassination. You can also read the testimony of AP photo journalist Altgens who forced his way off the camera car and ran to the front where he was the only professional photographer to take a single photo during the assassination. look at the back photo, you'll see Johnson SS men responding while JFK's SS men are not.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
True another lame argument. Johnon't people were in the same car as Johnson. Kennedy's agents were in one moving car trying to protect someone in another moving car..silly to compare. you gave no proof that the photographers were put behind so they could not take pictures of the assaination..you are assuming this becasue you want to believe in a conspiracy..again a silly argument seeing how everyone knoew pictures would be taken by people lining the route anyway.
arther1045 4 years ago
It's a historical fact the camera car was placed behind the presidential limousine. In all other motorcades it was placed in front of the President to facilitate filming. Does that not make sense to you. If you want to see the actual film taken by the camera car see "Couch film of John F. Kennedy" on right on youtube.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
If you look at the full Altgens photo, you can see the door of the SS car (behind Johnson) open, Rufus Youngblood is about to jump out of the car and run to the VP car and jump on top of Johnson and Senator Yarborough.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
Look at all the really crappy pictures taken by bystanders. Aren't they really awful? Even the Zapruder film is a blurred silent movie. And Kennedy was the most photographed man in the world. And for some reason, the professional photographers were unable to even see him at the time of the assasination. You don't find thissuspicious at all?
TrueNovice 4 years ago
and if someone had run up from behind kennedy and shot him you would be saying thank god the photograghers were where they were. they happened to be behind him and without proof because you want it to be a conspiracy you are acting like its sinister. and its silly to complain about the pictures taken..like the SS knoew what quality pictures would be taken..give me a break.
arther1045 4 years ago
What kind of cameras were available to the general public in 1963? They were terrible. These old box cameras, that you had to hold by your waist. The super eight cameras that filmed for 20 seconds at most. That's pretty typical of what was available. You could be certain, if the camera car was behind Kennedy, unable to see him, there would be no clear film of the assassination.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
there is a very clear film of the assasination..the zapruder film. and all the expert say it proves that the shots came from the 6th floor.
arther1045 4 years ago
Even in that blurred silent film, it seems to show Kennedy hit first, Connoly turns around and seems to be hit by a seperate shot. Kennedy seems to be then hit by a shot from the front. By the way, they didn't show the film on national television until 1975, and they only now only show it on national TV with "experts" to explain why you can't believe your own eyes.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
true you are way off on the shot sequence. kennedy and connaly were obviously hit by the same shot..you can even see connallys coat move at the same time kennedy starts to react. it is obvious kennedy never got hit from the front..if that was true why did he move foward at an incredibel rate of speed before going showly backwards..
arther1045 4 years ago
Yes I know, I saw the cartoon too. Especially liked the part where its true because the cartoonist says its true and no MD or pathologist is asked what he thinks of the cartoonist theories. The cartoonist won't release the underlying data he used to create the animation either, so that can't be questioned either. Connoly's doctor told the WC that it would be impossible to make the movements shown on the film, if he was hit at that point. He can't believe his lying eyes, either.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
don't know what you are talking about cartoon. Connallys doctor was not a patholigist. what was his doctors name. again so why did his shit fly up at the same time kennedy reacted..waiting to hear this.
arther1045 4 years ago
Doctor's name was Shaw. See him here on youtbe by searching
Connally doctor: CE 399 didn't create wounds
It flew up? And that was the ONLY POSSIBLE REASON FOR IT TO DO SO? Was there no wind in Dealey Plaza that day?
TrueNovice 4 years ago
LOL.. yeah ok the wind just happned to move his coat at the exact same time he was shot in the exact same spot..truenovice its amazing that you can't see how silly your arguments are. this sums it up. you want to believe in a conspiracy and no proof or logic will change that. when confonted with facts and logic you will say things like there was wind that day.
arther1045 4 years ago
Dr. Shaw is just a world class surgeon, considered one of the best in the United States. Shaw told the WC that his knowledge of anatomy and physiology it would be impossible for Connoly to have been hit at that point and still make the movements. The wound ballistics expert the WC consulted Dr. Dolce, of the US Army also told Specter it was impossible. So, Specter refused to allow him to testify.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
here is what Shaw told the WC. End of this topic.
Dr. SHAW - No; Senator. I believe that my information about ballistics is just that of an average layman, no more
arther1045 4 years ago
And Specter was just then just obnoxious connected fraudster who wouldn't let any of the experts who disagreed with the Single Bullet Theory testify. You can see the opinion of the FBI agent who had dealing with him on you tube - it is very low.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
Besides the cartoonist is there a patholigiist who has said that both men were hit at frame 224, when the lapel opens, the HSCA review of the film said the first shat that hit JFK was at frame 190, the Warren Commisionat fram 212. So, the silent film speaks differently depending on who views it.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
again where is the proof that they put the repoers behind so they couldn't get a shot of the assasination. and again this is such a rediculous theory I a amazed that you keep repeated it. They knew many people would be taking pictures at that point but you are actualy trying to say they were worried about pictures..you are kidding right.
arther1045 4 years ago
There is one movie,that shows the front of that same car,when Kennedy's car is speeding to the Hospital.
10Koekje68 4 years ago
your stupid Secret,ya secret,right, Cervex was told to stay away from the motorcade,any of you yanks can see that....set-up, well ,duh!
Lord you arseholes will never let this lame ass Kennedy and his lamer ass family rest.
colorboxx11 4 years ago
To colorboxx11- I enjoyed your drunken incoherent post. Thanks for that and keep them coming.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
Fuck off ya Limey Bastard!
If not for us Arseholes you goddamn tea sipping faggots would be speaking German!
TEXASSURFDONKEY 4 years ago
You need to specifically clear what lies your talking about. Assuming you know what it is your talking about at all.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
nesnman Any evidence at all that Oswald knew the parade route before the assassination? Oswald supposedly goes to his wife at the Paine residence on Thursday, the day before the assassination. He surreptiously conceals a large brown paper bag taken made from the paper rollers without the sticky paper getting wet. Finds his rifle in the garage, takes it out, disassembles it to fit in the bag, conceals it in the bag, stores it somewhere, so he can get it the Friday before he is driven to work.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
I could go on and on with you about what happened. But just look at Oswald. Look at the last 6 months before he did it. And I have no doubt that he did it. And he did it by himself. So many lies on the internet about the event.
nesnman 4 years ago
i disagree oswald looks too perfect i think he was involved in something was probably told to go to the theater i dont think he was the shooter and i believe there was more than one shooter remember he wasnt even picked up when he returned from the ussr and questioned and then killed on live tv in police custody a more perfect patsy never existed
mrapril86 4 years ago
I thought "Beyond Conspiracy" was little more than a government propaganda film, that left out most of the relevant facts. It should be on the cartoon network not the history channel.
TrueNovice 4 years ago
What happened to Pic Charles took several minutes before Limo showed up. Larry Flynt made it public LONG Time ago. Two Men in the exact window.Look at comment.iloveElla
Runinfox 4 years ago
Ignore cdddraftsman, he's just messin with yer head. If you want to know where the other shots came from, there is on YouTube, interviews with eyewitnesses who describe shooting from the grassy knoll. Ignore the flawed Warren Report. Get it from the source. Search for SM Holland. Only the government could cover that up.
EddieJHamilton 4 years ago
To : EddieJHamilton
Anybody who reads the unfiltered and unselected witness testimony will quickly find that even honest sober witnesses have wild , wacky , and often downright bizarre elements in their testimony . Consider, for example : Sam Holland , who thought that after Kennedy was shot Jackie "jumped up and tried to get over in the back seat to him ." America wants to know why you embarrass yourself by being so intellectually dishonest ?
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
Your trying to use that to discredit him AND the other 50 witnesses. From where he stood, Jackie was behind the driver and Connally's wife. And she did get up out of her seat. I'd say you embarrass yourself, but you have no sense of shame in my opinion.
EddieJHamilton 4 years ago
Point being he was a lousy observer , he discredited himself without any help from me ! ......... tl
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
You consider this, if Howard Brennan never said he saw Oswald then the whole Warren Commission would have no evidence of Oswald shooting Kennedy from the window. Brennan is the WC's hero.
koplamp 4 years ago
To : koplamp
Who said he never saw LHO in the window ? He gave a generic description of a person so the police wouldn't be looking for a short , bald and fat man . That's his main contribution . Do you always get everything so fouled up in this case ?
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
To : EddieJHamilton
Yet Sam Holland was able to describe JFK and JBC being hit by seperate bullets when they were farther away ? Come on Eddie pull your head otta your butt !
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
He didn't gave any discription, he only picked him out of a line up at the police station.
koplamp 4 years ago
To : koplamp
Wrong ! He gave a description in Dealy Plaza , that was broadcast minutes after the Assassination , that's on the police dictabelt , that DPD Officer Tippit used to stop LHO and was killed by ! Your a Kook and shouldn't be commenting on any matters in regards to this event ! Sign Off & Get Lost !
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
Then maybe i was wrong yes, but saying that i need to get lost is just sad, hell you think you know everything but you wouldn't debate someone on the JFKlancer forum.
koplamp 4 years ago
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To : koplamp
I'd much rather try and talk Osama Bin Laden out of his belief in the Muslim Faith before going anywhere near those dangerous people , I suggest staying away from them , their goal is to have people stop thinking and they will do the thinking for them . They are all 24 caret phony's , there's no question about it , sorry , you go debate them .
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
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To : koplamp
BTW , JFK/Lancer used to have a requirement before they took your $ that you had to sign a denouncement of the SBT , later they dropped that notion , they said they needed the $ more then a signed denouncement . OK ? Now you tell me what kind of integrity a organization has after pulling a stunt like that ? They would sell their mothers soul for the tail end of a anchovy . Silly boy !
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
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To : basboll
Their members that run that den of iniquity are cheap scam artists that never once did a experimentation with a rifle to back their play . They use cheap cheap cheap cheap words in place of sound reasoning and I told them so in many e-mails that they never returned because they knew I was right . Fuck JFK Lancer were they breath for all I care . Those bastards will rott in hell for eternity for selling they country down the drain !
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
Part 2<<They use cheap cheap cheap cheap words in place of sound reasoning...Fuck JFK Lancer were they breath for all I care . Those bastards will rott in hell for eternity for selling they country down the drain ! >>Cdd
Could THAT be why they don't respond to you? Talk about "cheap words"! 'nuff said on this subject.
basboll 4 years ago
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To : basboll
So debating on a level field would be nice , but when the opposition holds a intransigent position and refuses to conceed that their logic is faulty at best , what is the use in trying to change the minds of people who are financially ensconced into conspiracy as their only vocation and will never admit there was no conspiracy ?
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
So debating on a level field would be nice...Talk to David Von Pein about that >> Cdd
I only recently checked out Lancer, but noticed Rahn, unlike DVP, is still posting w/o suspension (I think he posted in June). OK, I'll take your word for it--but that begs the questions: why does Rahn continue to post, and why do they allow him to if he pushes the LN position that they prefer to censor?
basboll 4 years ago
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To : basboll
Well basboll there's no getting around this question , for once I've been nailed to the wall , all excape routes blocked and nothing to do but answer your question . Prof. Rahn , unlike myself , is a total gentleman , he's also modest and a master of logic , critical and classical thinking skills . He checks other scientists papers for flaws and reasoning of logic .
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
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To : basboll
He's a master of using multi-various analytical skills to determine falsifiability and the proper context of which to enter into a subject before asking the very first question in any problem . For example : Who killed JFK is the last question to ask if ever in this case . Sound odd ? Well I thought so too until he explained it using flawless reasoning . I can explain further if you wish .
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
hell you think you know everything but you wouldn't debate someone on the JFKlancer forum.>>Koplamp to CDD, who responded >>I'd much rather try and talk Osama Bin Laden out of his belief in the Muslim Faith before going anywhere near those dangerous people.>>
Ken Rahn, one of Cdd's heroes, is a member and debates the CT's there.
basboll 4 years ago
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To : basboll
Ken Rahn ? I talk to him all the time , what he does is his business and my business is mine , whats your point ? So , answer the comments I made below and quite changing the subject when you get your balls nailed to the wall . JFK Lancer is a intellectually dishonest organization with a agenda of selling conspiracy come hell or high water .
cdddraftsman 4 years ago
To Cdd Part 1: <<Ken Rahn ? I talk to him all the time , what he does is his business and my business is mine , whats your point ? >Cdd
I was pointing out to Koplamp that other LN's DO (since you don't wish to for the reasons you gave above) debate there. You hold Ken in high regard, so I figured Koplamp would like to see an LN in action debating CT's on that forum. Geeeshhh...a little sensitive are we?
basboll 4 years