There can be no better measure to Israels commitment to peace than the illegal settlers. Before Oslo there was a total of 83,000 settlers illegally occupying Pali land, now there is over 500,000 illegal settler and Israel is creating more facts on the ground than ever before.
Honest Reporting is total hasbara bullshit which is trying to misled you. Don't be fooled.
I don't always support some action of the Israeli government and i don't like mr Netanyahu as prime minister or politician but I agree with this video and I strongly believe that majority of Israeli people ,and with Israeli I mean people who are born and raised in that land regardless their religion or ethnicity, wants peace.
@meny87 Jewish people was kicked off from there by romans, not palestineans. And what do you want to prove? If you want to say that jews were there from ancient times I could tell you that they stole that land to the cananeans. Also, most of the sionists are not true semitic jews, they are all comming from the convert kharsa from Russia, so the ones claiming to be the original nation of that land never lived there.
When do you think the Arabs will realize, that murdering Israeli pizza-eaters, dance-club people, school kids, teenagers and sleeping five-year-olds is barbaric.
Do these Arabs have any humanity.
It is becoming increasingly obvious, that the followers of Muhammed are not human beings.
Abbas honors terrorist Dalal Mughrabi, killer of 37
This week Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas once again honored the memory of the terrorist Dalal Mughrabi – this time by sponsoring a ceremony celebrating the 50th anniversary of her birth. Mughrabi led the worst terror attack in Israel’s history in 1978, when she and other terrorists hijacked a bus and killed 37 civilians.
One day after the Ramallah lynching of two Israelis, Ahmad Abu Halabiya, a member of the PA-appointed Fatwa Council, called on listeners to find and butcher Jews “no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.”
YES GREAT VIDEO, MOMENT OF CLARITY. MEDIA OWNED BY CORPORATIONS MAKE MORE MONEY ON SICK DUMB PEOPLE! PROFITS BEFORE PEOPLE AND ALWAYS TAKE advantage of all conflicts,disasters, where the money is. Healthy intelligent people make much less money for the Military Corporate Complex attached to USA-CIA with 900 bases world-wide, secret prisons, torture and piss on dead Afghans.AS LONG AS ISRAEL IS WITH USA, guilty by ASSOCIATION. SHAME Israel rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic
Israel keeps Palestinians Locked up, Starved, Bombed, Use WMD on Civilians like Phosphorus & Depleted Uranium, Rob them of their homes, land, money, belongings. Kill & Starve them to Death in Concentration Camp Gaza & West Bank, while Israel builds Illegal Settlements BREAKING ALL International & UN Laws, World Court & Founding Laws. Israel makes sure to carry out Palestinian Genocide/Holocaust 24/7, while putting out Endless PR Stunts, Propaganda, Lies, Disinformation & Media control
@halcy UR talking about Arabs’ ill actions &falsely accusing Israelis. Hezbolla,Hamas r keeping Palestinians inrefugees’ camp and treat them 2nd class, 2 lowest poverty level. Hamas send their kids blow themselves to kill innocent civilians. Arab countries stole properties of 1million Jews, expelled them, now killing Christians. Rightfully, Israel has rights to build & defend its country. U should support Israel 4 its discoveries. They are good ppl & we need them. U R mislead or ignorant Educate
Hamas was created by Mossad & Israel, to go after and destroy the Democratic Fatah, to DIVIDE the Palestinians & to get Hamas Fake Muslims (Jews with Star of David Tattoos) to commit False Attacks on Israel, so Israel can further oppress, starve, separate & slaughter Palestinians and keep the Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing going while Nazi Israel spreads fear/hate-propaganda & acts as the victim..
You Ignores Palestinian History, You Ignores the Country of Transjordan, You Ignores the fact that Palestine ALWAYS existed and that the British tried to take it over and later sent European Jews to Palestine to destroy their Nation and the Palestinian people just so America & UK gets a base in the middle east, closer to huge sources of Oil, Gas & Minerals. UK and USA and the World Zionist Organization run by Rothschild wanted European Ashkenazi & Fake Khazar Jews to ALWAYS fight against Muslims
Semite = Arabs & Haredi (the only group of Jews who have roots in the Middle East, and guess what All Haredi Jews are Anti-Zionists).
Thanks for supporting the biggest Anti-Semites in the Universe, ISRAEL AND THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT AND THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND NEOCONS AND ZIONISTS.
Israel has steadily waged war on the Palestinians since Israel began.
Google "Rogue State: Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions" to find the article by Jeremy R. Hammond. It's a long list of terrorist charges against Israel.
OMG, I counted over 70 United Nations charges against them! No wonder so many people call Israel a brutal terrorist regime.
There's plenty of visual proof, as well, all over the internet.
"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God."
"That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith."
"These fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the `Most Great Peace' shall come."
this video proves nothing. Who cares what 70 percent of israelis want when they have no power over what the government does. Why does it not cover the hate crimes and murders committed against the palestinians. How can you want peace and expect to get it when you make these actions?
@Abbadon380 This one apparently does d your research Isreal offered uptp 93% of the west bank pulled out of Gaza Gave the SINAI Peninsula to egypt the goverment wants peace so do teh PEOPLES
@stuttgurth Hey stupid, the hate crimes are committed by muslims, the hamas fires rockets at civilian centers, hamas suicide bombers blow up shopping centers and hamas shoots at anything across the border. And hamas = palestinian, this just more of muslims trying to blame someone else for their actions.
@stuttgurth Research?? So living in these countries and seeing what's going on first hand doesn't teach me anything?? Sorry junior, I know more about what's going on than you'll ever learn. And no I'm not Jewish or muslim, I've seen how both live and act, that's what my comment is based on.
@TheBardicDruid Then you must be blind or you just dont see them because the hate crimes are rapant. do some research. You can preach your one-sided defense of Israel, but its obvious that they are just as guilty if not more so.
@TheBardicDruid I am arguing that this is a one sided argument and is pinning the blame on one side. Thus saying that really its a two-sided issue. You are saying no, only one side is to blame. You seem to be suggesting that muslims are to blame and are to be hated.
@stuttgurth Well when you consider that the other side believes it's they're religious duty to kill Israelis I see no point, since they get all the media coverage.
@stuttgurth The Arabs continually initiate the violence. The Israelis have not fired the first shots.
Do the Palestinians expect not to be fired back on? Its ok for them to blow up school children and civilians intentionally? Someone please explain to me how the Israelis could possibly live next to such a violent people. I personally don't see how it can be done at this point. All I see is the Palestinians provoking war and using any method they can to get all of Israel.
@stuttgurth What do you think Israel should have done seeing there civilians are being blown to bits by Palestinian suicide bombers who are deliberately targeting elderly Holocaust survivors at Passover Seders, teenagers in pizza parlours, buses, disco's, cafe's and restaurants.
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
Those of you claiming that Israel wants to take over the world, you are wrong. Israel was officially established with a UN vote of 33 for and 13 against. It was 1948 (three years after WWII) and Jews just wanted to be left alone. From day 1 of Israel, 7 Arab countries attacked Israel. Israel wants peace. Others don't. After the Six Day War in 1967, Israel's land grew by a factor of three. It gave the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in exchange for peace. Israel also now has peace with Jordan.
Have you ever seen kids wandering through the forest looking for a gingerbread house because they read a book called "Hansel and Gretel"? It's nice to tell them it's just a fairytale, so they can go back home and make a little gingerbread house of their own instead.
The zionazis, unfortunately, took their fairytale seriously and robbed someone else's nation at gunpoint, saying an old book gave it to them.
They remind me of the mean witch in Hansel and Gretel.
@eastariel So Israel shoud instead accept demographic annihilation or genocide by military conquest instead of defending its own existence? Sorry but youre way out of touch with what the reality of humanity is, survival being a key component. Every nation that has asked peace from Israel has gotten it, wonder why the palestinians cant get around even talk about peace but instead choose to kill civilians, how does it make sense that killing civilians intentionally will lead to any kind of peace?
@EvitoCru Oh ... you mean those firecrackers being launched over the wall that blocks them from their homeland?
Yes, it's sad that they have been driven to such desperation. Their little firecrackers have scratched up some people and even killed a few of them, each making a soccer-ball-sized hole in the ground.
Maybe they're just upset over those 100-ton monster bombs that are dropped onto their neighborhoods, killing thousands of them and blowing huge building-sized craters into their villages.
@eastariel They do cause damage to things and people alike, even a firecracker can kill when you throw enough of em. The more problematic thing is ofcourse Islam inspired warriors cross the border and shoot a bus full of kids or how about butchering entire families in their sleep? Somehow its always the helpless they go after but rarely if ever those they claim are their enemies. This discussion is pointless as you obviously havent taken your blinders off yet.
Israel has steadily waged war on the Palestinians since Israel began.
Google "Rogue State: Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions" to find the article by Jeremy R. Hammond. It's a long list of terrorist charges against Israel.
OMG, I counted over 70 United Nations charges against them! No wonder so many people call Israel a brutal terrorist regime.
There's plenty of visual proof, as well, all over the internet.
Maybe because Israel continues it's occupation, continues to build illegal settlements and violate the most basic of human rights afforded all humans "the right to self determination", in contravention of all existing UN resolutions and ICJ opinions. Those might be just a few reasons why people believe Israel does not want peace. If Israel wanted peace it would start by abiding by international law? You can't expect to have peace with your foot on the other person's throat!
Israel to the Palestinians: "Here, take this, Palestinians! This will teach you how ignorant you are for hating us! (bombs and bullets rain down on Gaza).
BOOM! ... BLOOD ... SIRENS ... DEATH ... PARENTS CRYING ... CHILDREN DYING ... FURY.
Israel to the Palestinians: "We just want peace."
But the Palestinians were now too dead to learn not to hate the Israelis.
But now the whole world hated Israel, including Israel.
@eastariel Jewhaters like you obsess about Jews being "chosen". Religious Jews understands the theological concept of Jews being "chosen" in terms of a contractual relationship between the Deity and the Jewish nation that obligates Jews to observe 613 commandments. Thus, for example, in classical Jewish theology ONLY the Jews were specifically chosen to observe the Sabbath and keep the dietary laws and not mix wool and flax, whereas other nations of the world were not "chosen" for this..
@eastariel " re: "Chosen?" By which lord ... and for what?"
Now, while it's true that religious Jews believe that Jews were "chosen" for what I just described above--and it's fascinating that people like you hold such resentment against that belief--said theology has nothing to do with the right of the Jewish nation to continue to lead a sovereign existence on their ancestral soil, in a mere sliver of their historic homeland, where we originate from and where Jews have always lived.
We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village. – Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha’aretz, April 4, 1969.
Judgement from the Lord is upon the USA , People and nations for whom have divided HIS HOLY LAND ISRAEL, For the USA has divided his Holy Land, Israel into pieces under the US Foreign Policy for Israel. The Lord said, "ANY PERSON OR NATION WHO DIVIDES MY HOLY CHOSEN LAND SHALL BE JUDGED. GOD is the ruler over ALL things, for who is able to be fight against the Lord whom is all powerful, for GOD shall do as his Word says, for he never lies, Satan is the Liar, I suggest that you ALL repent.
There's plenty of evidence that America belonged to the Native Americans way back when.
So does that mean that today's Native Americans get to drive American citizens out of their homes and install our chiefs in the Whitehouse? No.
The Holy Land belongs to the people of the present. Families must not be driven from their homes. The past does not give people permission to commit the same crimes in the present. Israel must give the Palestinians their land and their lives back.
Israel must NBOT give those bastard interlopers anything. Your analogy with First Nations is ludicrous. The Jews RETURNED to their homeland; they are not colonizing somebody else's land. You fail.
Israel must NBOT give those bastard interlopers anything. Your analogy with First Nations is ludicrous. The Jews RETURNED to their homeland; they are not colonizing somebody else's land. You fail.
@eastariel re: "Israel must give the Palestinians their land and their lives back."
Israel must allow the Arabs who have recently adopted the name "Palestinian" to describe themselves a chance to attain sovereignty in those areas of the historic Eretz Yisrael where they constitute a majority, provided that they pose no threat to the security and existence of the State of Israel, which is a Jewish state. But there will be no "right of return" and no re-division of Jerusalem, Israel's capital.
There's plenty of evidence that America belonged to the Native Americans way back when.
So does that mean that today's Native Americans get to drive American citizens out of their homes and install our chiefs in the Whitehouse? No.
The Holy Land belongs to the people of the present. Families must not be driven from their homes. The past does not give people permission to commit the same crimes in the present. Israel must give the Palestinians their land and their lives back.
@eastariel re: "what speaks more truthfully to the Palestinians -- your words, "I want peace," or your bullets and bombs raining down upon them?"
Israeli bullets and bombs are a response to our enemies who fire rockets at our civilian population centers and have sent human bombs to detonate themselves in our streets, buses and markets, strewing body parts willy-nilly and maiming the survivors. How should we respond; with flowers, chocolate and confetti?
@ShmorgelBorgel Israel must not become a copycat by playing a game of bomb tennis. The terrorists using the Palestinians to destroy Israel are counting on Israel to copycat them, which will lead to the destruction of both populations.
Making peace involves a massive and courageous effort in education and communication among the citizens on both sides, following the creation of a Constitution applying to both Palestinians and Israelis in which human rights are guaranteed and protected by law.
@eastariel re: "Israel must not become a copycat by playing a game of bomb tennis. "
It's not a matter of "copycatting," otherwise the IDF would do its utmost to deliberately target Arab civilians. It's a matter of eliminating (or at least reducing) our enemies' capacity to inflict harm on us. To do that, force must be effectively applied. That is the nature of armed conflict. Two sides use violence, and the stronger side wins;however, we won't need to use these means if our enemy makes peace
@ShmorgelBorgel That's the old-fashioned way. It never works, at least not for long.
How about outwitting the terrorists who are using Palestinians as bait to draw Israel's attacks against unarmed citizens, and thereby destroy Israel by gathering worldwide enmity against it?
@ShmorgelBorgel That's the old-fashioned way. It never works, at least not for long.
How about outwitting the terrorists who are using Palestinians as bait to draw Israel's attacks against unarmed citizens, and thereby destroy Israel by gathering worldwide enmity against it?
@eastariel re:"Making peace involves a massive and courageous effort in education and communication among the citizens on both sides"
Making "true" peace requires that the Arabs who have recently started calling themselves "Palestinians" acknowledge that the Jewish nation has an ancient connection to this land and has a right to a sovereign existence here. In turn, Israel must acknowledge that a segment of the Arab nation has ties here and also deserves self-determination.(Continued.)
@ShmorgelBorgel I have an ancient connection to Africa because my ancestors used to live there a very long time ago. I'm white/Native American, by the way, but everyone's ancestors came from Africa at some point.
So are you going to take over Africa next because your ancestors used to live there? It's written in an old history book, so that gives you permission, doesn't it?
@eastariel re: "have an ancient connection to Africa because my ancestors used to live there a very long time ago"
That's a specious argument. Modern science and anthropology teaches us that you and all other humans have an ancient *prehistorical* connection to Africa. What you don't have is a *historical* connection. Jews have an ancient (and continual) historical, national and cultural connection to the Land of Israel. It is where we originate from as a nation.
@eastariel re:"So are you going to take over Africa next because your ancestors used to live there? It's written in an old history book, so that gives you permission, doesn't it?" Unlike primitive hominids and homo sapien progenitors who originated on the African continent aeons ago, the Jewish nation has always maintained a solid physical and cultural connection with its original homeland of Eretz Yisrael. Your appeal to ridicule doesn't work.
@eastariel re: "Israel treats its religious book as if its some kind of real estate contract." Actually, most of modern Israel's leadership from the inception of the state to the present has been secular, but whether one believes in the Torah's promise of the Land of Israel as divine inheritance or not, Jews have always lived here and like any other nation is entitled to self-determination in its own territory.
(Ct'd) To that end, Israel must withdraw from some of the territories formerly controlled by Jordan between 1949-1967 that it took in a defensive war in 1967 and allow the Arabs who constitute a majority there to establish their own state, which they may call "Palestine", "Narnia" or any other made-up name they fancy. The Arabs living there should be entitled to establish any form of government they wish, but they must not pose a threat to Israel.True peace requires true separation and divorce.
@eastariel re: "a Constitution applying to both Palestinians and Israelis in which human rights are guaranteed and protected by law."
If and when Palestinian Arabs get their own state, they can make a constitution for their own citizens, but a written constitution is no guarantor of democracy or human rights. Many dictatorial regimes (e.g., North Korea) have constitutions promising human rights and all sorts of nice things, but democratic countries like Israel manage without a constitution.
hahahaha i didnt finesh the video cuz is really make me sick ok israle you want peace ?? alright palestin wants peace to "But" 1-Give her all her territory you knw guys israel take 80% of palestin and she steel want the 20% WTF ??? and2-Try all the Zionists who have contributed to the war 3- OBAMA: chut the fuck up ....... :D im i rong ??? and thanks
"HonestReporting is a registered nonprofit organization dedicated to defending Israel against prejudice in the Media."
That is the PRECISE definition of propaganda. In your face definition.
Gosh Israeli PR is really going downhill, I think it's the brain drain, hundreds of thousands of Israelis have left Israel, mostly the clever and educated ones. Leaving behind more religious fanatics and right wing nutjobs.
Why is Israel the obstacle for peace? They say they want two states, so why are they frantically trying their upmost to stop Palestinian Statehood?
Why did AIPAC lobby against Palestinian statehood.
They want to return to negotiations not because they want peace, but because they want to delay it. They want the settlements to continue, and negotiate at the same time, until the day comes, when they've stolen enough land to make Palestine impossible.
Oppressed by the Jews - oh please! - those in Gaza are supported by the Jews including financial aid. Never mind I'm sure they'll appreciate the beer and wine!!! or is that a euphemism for more weapons. The only poor people in Gaza are those deliberately kept poor by their leaders for propaganda purposes. Wake up!
Israel isolates itself, backed by bombs. Weapons attract aggression. Angry neighbors launch missiles over the wall. Israel retaliates and -- BOOM! -- angry nations bomb Israel. Goodbye Israel.
SCENARIO 2
Israelis and Palestinians share the holy land. Bickering, laughing, insulting, apologizing, they finally learn to get along. Neighbors can't bomb Israel without bombing Palestinians, so they sit and watch and respect Israel's kindness to the Palestinians.
@eastariel Angry natins bomb Isreal? haahah who Egypt Syria jordan theydo't really care about palestinians they are in such a mess now I woun't count on any of them to do anything.
In your second scenario did you take into account Hamas? . and his charter . just don't tell me that they don't meant it?
@gamboni100 Freedom. Freedom from fear, poverty, starvation, oppression, and prejudice.
Freedom to control their lives, live on their land, represent themselves, be safe, and achieve understanding of their previous enemies through peaceful, safe coexistence.
Backing them into a corner and threatening their survival won't achieve this. Tearing down the walls will.
@eastariel Gaza don't have a wall around it.Isreal got out of Gaza completley. they have a govrment ofr thier own adn military of thier own.. It is true we control thier sky and sea. but acording to un Palmer o we have the right to do that as long as the govermnet in Gaza decalre that thier goal s to bring an end to the jewish state. Gaza under Hamas is an enemy land and we treat it as such. we don't owe them anything . They can get all thier supply form Egypt they have a border with them
@eastariel Gaza don't have a wall around it. Israel got out of Gaza completely. They have a government of their own and military of their own. It is true we control their sky and sea. But according to UN Palmer o we have the right to do that as long as the government in Gaza declare that their goal s to bring an end to the Jewish state. Gaza under Hamas is an enemy land and we treat it as such. We don't owe them anything. They can get all their supply form Egypt they have a border with them
@eastariel Gaza don't have a wall around it. Israel got out of Gaza completely. They have a government of their own and military of their own. It is true we control their sky and sea. But according to UN Palmer o we have the right to do that as long as the government in Gaza declare that their goal s to bring an end to the Jewish state. Gaza under Hamas is an enemy land and we treat it as such. We don't owe them anything. They can get all their supply form Egypt they have a border with them
Give us a break. BUILDING the walls has proven to reduce terrorist attacks. Tearing them down will ENCOURAGE attacks. THe palis should go to other arab lands and ask for a state. Problem is, their arab brethren don't want them.
Give us a break. BUILDING the walls has proven to reduce terrorist attacks. Tearing them down will ENCOURAGE attacks. THe palis should go to other arab lands and ask for a state. Problem is, their arab brethren don't want them.
@eastariel Neither of your scenarios will come to fruition. Israel, sadly must make territorial concessions, but what is needed is not "sharing" but division. There are two separate and distinct national communities that live here and neither should impose its culture and national values on the other and both of us which need to be divorced from each other as much as possible.
@eastariel re:"Neighbors can't bomb Israel without bombing Palestinians, so they sit and watch and respect Israel's kindness to the Palestinians."
Oh, yeah? Are you not aware that many Arab citizens of Israel were killed when Hezbollah rained Katyusha rockets on northern Israel in summer 2006, when they wantonly targeted Israeli civilians without regard to ethnic origin? How about in 2008, when Israeli Arab Hahni al Mahdi was killed by a Hamas Grad attack in Ashkelon?
@eastariel re: "Neighbors can't bomb Israel without bombing Palestinians,"
It never stopped them....In 2003, "Maxim," an Arab-owned restaurant in Haifa popular with Jews and Arabs, was targeted in a suicide bombing, 21 Israelis were killed, including half a dozen Israeli Arabs. When suicide bombers targeted Israeli buses, Arab passengers were just as likely to die. The crazies don't care if they kill fellow Arabs or Muslims as long as they also get a chance to kill some Jews.
@abcdefbeef Not all Palestinian are Muslim. Many are Christians. (Many Jews also lived in peace before the Zionists came.) I am sure they will appreciate your gift if you are sincere.
OCCUPATION 101: Christians of Palestine
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Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
Arab enemies are sent by God. They are unwilling to compromise an inch, they will never accept the Jewish state. Therefore eventually Jews will have to wake up and stop offering a compromise. They have already compromised too much.
When Jews decide do be strong and take all of land of Israel and expel all Arabs, that will be the end of the Palestinian problem.
There is an official palestinian state since 1948, when UN created those two states, Israel and Palestine. They (palestinians) don't want a Palestine for 63 years! At that time the borders etc were exactly what they want today. So, they are stupids, murderers and ignorants.
Actually, back in 1947, the UN never even mentioned a state called "Palestine", but what they did propose was a Jewish state and an Arab state to be created from the British Mandate of Palestine, which only existed from 1917 when the British conquered various territoris from the Ottoman Turks. Bear in mind too that the Brits lopped off the the areas east of Jordan river from their "Palestine" mandate to create Transjordan, so 76% of "Palestine" has been Arab-controlled since 1922!
Really, there have already been 2 Palestinian states created from the former Palestine Mandate, a Jewish "Palestinian" state (aka Israel) and an Arab "Palestinian" state (aka Jordan). Of course Jordan occupied territories west of the Jordan river designated for the second Arab state in Palestine, which Israel took in 1967. If yet another Arab state is created from parts of these disputed territories (and Gaza) it would be the third "Palestinian" state, and the second "Palestinian" Arab state.
> keeping someone in a concentration camp for 4 years? because Israel has done that for 60
Excuse me? 800,000 Jews were forces out of Arab countries where they'd lived for a thousand years, in Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, all over the Middle East. Israel took them in. The Arab states with millions of square miles had plenty of room for the Palestinian Arabs who left (most of their own volition) when Israel was formed. No-one's in a concentration camp.
I don't consider Yahu to be an expert on national safety or human rights.
The land belongs to the people who live there, despite their religion. Bulldozing and terrorizing people away from their homes and killing them sometimes drives people into defending themselves.
Israel must stop committing new crimes as a defense against its older crimes. The Palestinians can start forgiving Israel as soon as it stops killing them.
Sorry, no one believes that Israel wants peace anymore. This horrid little apartheid state has seriously destroyed American credibility in the region (which was compromised from 1953 on anyway). But our $3B annual in aid to Israel and Orwellian claims that the "peace" process is anything but a "prop up Israel" process, our support for Israeli nukes, etc have all brought us to the brink of crisis. It's time to get real and dump Israel.
@MEpianist : check out this site to view comparative economic aid to Palestine and israel:
West Bank $1.4bn - Gaza Strip $1.4bn - Israel $0.236bn
Of course this doesn't compare military aid, but then we don;t really know how much the WB and Gaza get from their allies. Perhaps once they have a constituted government they can go on a spending spree.
@MEpianist Yes, because offering the "Palestinians" (no such thing, find me a single news report referring to the "Palestinians as a distinct people prior to 1967) their own nation on three separate occasions is warmongering. You're just an anti-Semitic bigot, nothing more. Israel has done everything it can to promote peace, and every time, the "Palestinians" respond with more terrorism. There is not one single Jew in Gaza, yet that is where most of the terror comes from.
@jayhoffer You're such a deluded propagandist, you could probably get a gig at HonestReporting. That's how risible you are, douchebag. Ever since the British mandate and the genocidal Jews of 1948, Israel has continually extracted more land from the natives and justified itself with talks of security at the "peace" processes. Well, Americans are waking up. "Peace" = "Prop up Israel." Once you understand that you understand everything. Good luck to Pres. Abbas this month.
The "natives" you refer to are the JEWS themselves. No matter what taqiyya spewing tripe you and your leftist arab pandering ilk vomit, you cannot change the facts nor historical and archaeological evidence. Your failure will continue forever, Israel will be a perpetual winner and success story. The more you hate and lie, the less you will achieve. To most of us sane ppl, you are a pack of whining babies having a tantrum.
@Lagolop No, the natives are obviously the Palestinian peoples, displaced and massacred from 1948 on. Your support for one side is obviously religious and propagandistic, while my opinion is based on sound principles of international law and morality. This is why everyone else is against you, try as you might to claim anti-semitism.
@DBH107 lol :) , Jews are smart I mean if werent jews in the world , You wont be on the computer and surfing internet , Or be in facebook :) - Bill Geits , Mark zuckerberg.
@KnightOfNight3405 No, we are not "fucking kidding" you. Israel has offered the "Palestinians" their own state on three separate occasions, and each time the "Palestinians" rejected it. They even one time offered to completely pull all Jews out of Judea and Samaria, and in response the "Palestinians" launched a terror war and murdered 1000 innocent Israelis.
These savages don't want peace. Israel does. Reasonable people agree with this. Bigots, racists and Nazis don't.
Why do muslims constantly threaten everyone with violence and death if someone doesnt agree with their version of the great juju of the mountain. All arabs need to do to achieve peace is to stop firing and start living like people instead of willing "refugees"
Name one person on earth besides a Zionist who thinks 2000 years is a perfectly valid time to remain "in exile".
That is what caused this conflict, and has nothing to do with religion. Search for George Habash, and the Irgun and Stern Gang, expand your mind - bitch.
@superhamzah85 re: "Name one person on earth besides a Zionist who thinks 2000 years is a perfectly valid time to remain "in exile"."
You're right, 2,000 years was too long for Jews to be exiled. That's why the forced Exile of Jews from their country came to a close. However, Jews have always remained a large minority in Eretz Yisrael even throughout the the years when there was no independent Jewish government in our country--there really was never a time when our country was vacant of Jews.
You cannot claim to be in exile when you can go there freely the entire time and be Jewish. A Palestinian cannot do this, therefore they are in fact in exile. The myth of a Jewish 2000 year old exile should be put to rest, along with Zionism (AN IDEOLOGY ABOUT DOMINATION)
@superhamzah85 "You cannot claim to be in exile when you can go there freely the entire time and be Jewish." Jews were indeed in exile because the bulk of them were actually physically exiled from their homeland and the remainder lost the ability to exercise sovereign control over their own homeland. Moreover, the right to "go there freely and be Jewish" to Eretz Yisrael during the Exilic period was subject to the discretion of foreign rulers, e.g., Romans, Byzantines,Arabs, Turks and British.
@superhamzah85 re:"A Palestinian cannot do this, therefore they are in fact in exile."
Actually, the majority of Arabs who now go by the name of "Palestinian" (a recent innovation) live in areas that were historically thought of as constituting "Palestine" by Europeans, and most of those areas are under Arab political control. 76% of the former British Mandate of Palestine lies on the Jordan River's East Bank (now known as Hashemite Jordan) which is de facto a Palestinian Arab state.
Most so-called "Palestinian" Arab refugees who fled their homes from what became Israel in 1947-49 merely went to what became Egyptian Gaza or the
Jordanian-controlled West Bank or the East Bank, all within what has historically been known as "Palestine" by Europeans. Therefore few became "exiled" from "Palestine" itself, but in most cases they relocated a few km, as my father's cousins in East Jerusalem also had to relocate a similar distance to the Israeli side of the city.
@superhamzah85 re: "Zionism (AN IDEOLOGY ABOUT DOMINATION)"
Zionism is an ideology about national liberation, auto-emancipation and self-determination and a refusal to submit to domination by others; the right of a once-dispersed people to continue to govern itself and live freely in what is truly a mere small sliver of its own historic land.
How can you take seriously a country that says they want peace whilst building settlements? It's like a bank robber saying he's gonna give himself up, WHILST shooting hostages. Just comedy level stupidity if you are so gullible to fall for rhetoric like that.
@superhamzah85 re: "How can you take seriously a country that says they want peace whilst building settlements?"
Actually, Israel has abided by the agreements and no new settlements in the disputed areas have been started since the Oslo Accords. Building new houses in already-existing Jewish villages whose future status is yet to be determined is not the same as building new settlements.
Moreover, the narrow interpretation of the PA insists that Jerusalem's eastern portion is part of the area to be negotiated, and even describes the Old City of Jerusalem and the Jewish Quarter therein (where my grandmother was born in 1907, long before anyone even heard of a "Palestinian people") as a Jewish settlement on occupied land. Under this outlandish interpretation, if I was to buy the building my great-grandparents' lived in in the Old City, I'd be a "settler".
There wouldn't be the issue with Jerusalem if it wasn't annexed as a capital for a country that has no right to it. There's a reason why no one has their embassy in their Jerusalem, but Tel Aviv, because it's not yours...it just isn't I'm afraid. As soon as you CLAIM it, the other will also claim it.
How many countries maintain embassies in Jerusalem isn't relevant to its status as the capital city of Israel. What is relevant to its status is the fact that it is the seat of national government of the State of Israel, where the Knesset and Cabinet meets and where most national institutions are located. By law, it is Israel's capital and has been since 1948. Jerusalem has had a clear Jewish majority since the mid-1800s and sovereign Israel has every right to it.
@superhamzah85 re:"There wouldn't be the issue with Jerusalem if it wasn't annexed as a capital for a country that has no right to it."
UNSCOP in 1947 recommended that Jerusalem become an internationalized "corpus separatum" belonging to neither the proposed Jewish state nor the proposed Arab state. Zionist leadership accepted this unfair deal at the time, despite the fact Jews were a majority of population. Nevertheless, this idea was still rejected by the Arabs, rendering it null and void.
@superhamzah85 re:"it's not yours...it just isn't I'm afraid. As soon as you CLAIM it, the other will also claim it."
Arabs could have accepted the 1947 UNSCOP deal, as the Zionists did, and had an internationalized Jerusalem, but they rejected it. They could also have made East Jerusalem an Arab capital after Jordan annexed the city's eastern half and ethnically cleansed it of Jews in 1948 (no Jew could live there again until Israel's 1967 victory), but now it's too late. The boat's sailed.
Israel did not accept anything, it DECLARED it unilaterally after a campaign of terrorism.
It no more accepted and implemented any UN resolution than the ones immediately after it, calling for a return to the green line.
The Jews ceased to be a relgious group when they became Judaists, the equivalent of Islamists. In Israel, Jews are politicized Jews, to try and equate this with ethnicity is absurd. The Palestinians were anyone living in Palestine.
There can be no better measure to Israels commitment to peace than the illegal settlers. Before Oslo there was a total of 83,000 settlers illegally occupying Pali land, now there is over 500,000 illegal settler and Israel is creating more facts on the ground than ever before.
Honest Reporting is total hasbara bullshit which is trying to misled you. Don't be fooled.
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I don't always support some action of the Israeli government and i don't like mr Netanyahu as prime minister or politician but I agree with this video and I strongly believe that majority of Israeli people ,and with Israeli I mean people who are born and raised in that land regardless their religion or ethnicity, wants peace.
I really hope one day this will happen
Itaussieflyer 6 days ago
Muslims just are evil. What other religion asks you or commands you to LIE and KILL in the name of allah.
deerman420 1 week ago
The very idea that Israel wants peace is a joke.
Yes, that's why their stuxnet virus was found in Fukushimas seimens controllers.
Showing a video where the regular peons of Israel want peace is all well and good, but the actual leaders are blood thirsty tyrants.
Also, the "media" does nothing but show how awesome Israel is. Where you are getting this "media makes Israel look bad" thing I have no idea.
dano555666 1 week ago
You want peace with the palestineans? Ok, so give their land back to them and you'll have peace.
dawudmendez 3 weeks ago
@dawudmendez
How about this, you prove that Israel ever belonged to Palestinians, and Israel will give it (not back, for the first time) to them.
meny87 3 weeks ago
@meny87 Jewish people was kicked off from there by romans, not palestineans. And what do you want to prove? If you want to say that jews were there from ancient times I could tell you that they stole that land to the cananeans. Also, most of the sionists are not true semitic jews, they are all comming from the convert kharsa from Russia, so the ones claiming to be the original nation of that land never lived there.
dawudmendez 3 weeks ago
yea .. buddy :)
korobkov1 1 month ago
What a piece of cheap PROPAGANDA -- waste of my time!
chonitin 1 month ago
Israelis fired the first shots
stuttgurth 1 month ago
@stuttgurth Really? I think you may need to have a doctor appointment...
dymproductions 1 month ago
@dymproductions Maybe you should pick up a history book and use a little common sense.
stuttgurth 1 month ago
When do you think the Arabs will realize, that murdering Israeli pizza-eaters, dance-club people, school kids, teenagers and sleeping five-year-olds is barbaric.
Do these Arabs have any humanity.
It is becoming increasingly obvious, that the followers of Muhammed are not human beings.
DanKelso 1 month ago
Abbas honors terrorist Dalal Mughrabi, killer of 37
This week Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas once again honored the memory of the terrorist Dalal Mughrabi – this time by sponsoring a ceremony celebrating the 50th anniversary of her birth. Mughrabi led the worst terror attack in Israel’s history in 1978, when she and other terrorists hijacked a bus and killed 37 civilians.
DanKelso 1 month ago
Do online search of all these stories to see the Rejectionist Arabs.
Manly Palestinian Arab hero who murdered little old Jewish ladies
11/3/2011
Abbas honors mastermind of Munich Olympics massacre.
PA TV honors Sbarro pizza shop terrorists
PA TV host sends “best wishes” to “our glorious” prisoner who transported suicide bomberto attack that killed 15, including 7 children.
DanKelso 1 month ago
One day after the Ramallah lynching of two Israelis, Ahmad Abu Halabiya, a member of the PA-appointed Fatwa Council, called on listeners to find and butcher Jews “no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them.”
DanKelso 1 month ago
YES GREAT VIDEO, MOMENT OF CLARITY. MEDIA OWNED BY CORPORATIONS MAKE MORE MONEY ON SICK DUMB PEOPLE! PROFITS BEFORE PEOPLE AND ALWAYS TAKE advantage of all conflicts,disasters, where the money is. Healthy intelligent people make much less money for the Military Corporate Complex attached to USA-CIA with 900 bases world-wide, secret prisons, torture and piss on dead Afghans.AS LONG AS ISRAEL IS WITH USA, guilty by ASSOCIATION. SHAME Israel rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic
Theknopf 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
SAVE THEM.
Israel keeps Palestinians Locked up, Starved, Bombed, Use WMD on Civilians like Phosphorus & Depleted Uranium, Rob them of their homes, land, money, belongings. Kill & Starve them to Death in Concentration Camp Gaza & West Bank, while Israel builds Illegal Settlements BREAKING ALL International & UN Laws, World Court & Founding Laws. Israel makes sure to carry out Palestinian Genocide/Holocaust 24/7, while putting out Endless PR Stunts, Propaganda, Lies, Disinformation & Media control
halcyon0830 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@halcy UR talking about Arabs’ ill actions &falsely accusing Israelis. Hezbolla,Hamas r keeping Palestinians inrefugees’ camp and treat them 2nd class, 2 lowest poverty level. Hamas send their kids blow themselves to kill innocent civilians. Arab countries stole properties of 1million Jews, expelled them, now killing Christians. Rightfully, Israel has rights to build & defend its country. U should support Israel 4 its discoveries. They are good ppl & we need them. U R mislead or ignorant Educate
luv5e1 1 month ago
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Hamas was created by Mossad & Israel, to go after and destroy the Democratic Fatah, to DIVIDE the Palestinians & to get Hamas Fake Muslims (Jews with Star of David Tattoos) to commit False Attacks on Israel, so Israel can further oppress, starve, separate & slaughter Palestinians and keep the Genocide & Ethnic Cleansing going while Nazi Israel spreads fear/hate-propaganda & acts as the victim..
tiny. cc/d24u7
globalresearch. ca/articles/ZER403A.html
larouchepub. com/other/2002/2902isr_hamas.html
halcyon0830 1 month ago
Israeli tattoos (Star of David) and Israeli weapons are being used by the Israel-creation Israeli-funded HAMAS..
abovetopsecret. com/forum/thread367946/pg1
demongov. com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/7128/Re:%20Hamas%20revealed%20as%20an%20Israe
arguewitheveryone. com/terrorism/37061-alleged-hamas-rocket-attacks-exposed-false-flag.html
haaretz. com/news/ten-ways-israel-keeps-hamas-afloat-1.242374
middleeast.about. com/od/israelandpalestine/a/me090126.htm
watch?v=bPwNk0CJSiY
tiny. cc/d24u7
halcyon0830 1 month ago
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You Ignores Palestinian History, You Ignores the Country of Transjordan, You Ignores the fact that Palestine ALWAYS existed and that the British tried to take it over and later sent European Jews to Palestine to destroy their Nation and the Palestinian people just so America & UK gets a base in the middle east, closer to huge sources of Oil, Gas & Minerals. UK and USA and the World Zionist Organization run by Rothschild wanted European Ashkenazi & Fake Khazar Jews to ALWAYS fight against Muslims
halcyon0830 1 month ago
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Semite = Arabs & Haredi (the only group of Jews who have roots in the Middle East, and guess what All Haredi Jews are Anti-Zionists).
Thanks for supporting the biggest Anti-Semites in the Universe, ISRAEL AND THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT AND THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND NEOCONS AND ZIONISTS.
halcyon0830 1 month ago
@luv5e1
mondoweiss. net/2008/09/israeli-historian-palestinians-are-biological-descendants-of-bibles-jews.html
israelect. com/reference/WillieMartin/Jews_Are_Not_Israelites.htm
haaretz. com/general/shattering-a-national-mythology-1.242055
baltimorechronicle. com/2009/041209Strong.html
Jews in Israel are European Ashkenazi Jews and Khazar Fake "Jews" from Georgia, NONE OF them have ANY History in Israel.
The only Jews that have Roots in Palestine and in Middle East are the Haredi Non-Zionist Jews
halcyon0830 1 month ago
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Israel has steadily waged war on the Palestinians since Israel began.
Google "Rogue State: Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions" to find the article by Jeremy R. Hammond. It's a long list of terrorist charges against Israel.
OMG, I counted over 70 United Nations charges against them! No wonder so many people call Israel a brutal terrorist regime.
There's plenty of visual proof, as well, all over the internet.
stuttgurth 2 months ago
This would have been a lot better with some of the palestinians idea of peace.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
BAHA'I FAITH = PEACE
"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God."
"That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith."
"These fruitless strifes, these ruinous wars shall pass away, and the `Most Great Peace' shall come."
sisterelena 2 months ago
this video proves nothing. Who cares what 70 percent of israelis want when they have no power over what the government does. Why does it not cover the hate crimes and murders committed against the palestinians. How can you want peace and expect to get it when you make these actions?
stuttgurth 2 months ago
@stuttgurth DUDE THE GOVERMENTS ALSO WANTS PEACE IT DOES THE BIDDING OF THE PEOPLE
Abbadon380 2 months ago
@Abbadon380 Governments rarely do the bidding of the people.
stuttgurth 2 months ago
@Abbadon380 This one apparently does d your research Isreal offered uptp 93% of the west bank pulled out of Gaza Gave the SINAI Peninsula to egypt the goverment wants peace so do teh PEOPLES
Abbadon380 2 months ago
@stuttgurth Hey stupid, the hate crimes are committed by muslims, the hamas fires rockets at civilian centers, hamas suicide bombers blow up shopping centers and hamas shoots at anything across the border. And hamas = palestinian, this just more of muslims trying to blame someone else for their actions.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid the video is clearly one sided. do some research see what you find.
stuttgurth 2 months ago
@stuttgurth Research?? So living in these countries and seeing what's going on first hand doesn't teach me anything?? Sorry junior, I know more about what's going on than you'll ever learn. And no I'm not Jewish or muslim, I've seen how both live and act, that's what my comment is based on.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid Then you must be blind or you just dont see them because the hate crimes are rapant. do some research. You can preach your one-sided defense of Israel, but its obvious that they are just as guilty if not more so.
stuttgurth 2 months ago
@stuttgurth You're so blinded by hate and ignorance you wouldn't be able to see the truth if it were in front of you.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid I am arguing that this is a one sided argument and is pinning the blame on one side. Thus saying that really its a two-sided issue. You are saying no, only one side is to blame. You seem to be suggesting that muslims are to blame and are to be hated.
stuttgurth 2 months ago
@stuttgurth Well when you consider that the other side believes it's they're religious duty to kill Israelis I see no point, since they get all the media coverage.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid ye well media lies, which seems to be the point of this video
stuttgurth 2 months ago
@stuttgurth The Arabs continually initiate the violence. The Israelis have not fired the first shots.
Do the Palestinians expect not to be fired back on? Its ok for them to blow up school children and civilians intentionally? Someone please explain to me how the Israelis could possibly live next to such a violent people. I personally don't see how it can be done at this point. All I see is the Palestinians provoking war and using any method they can to get all of Israel.
DanKelso 1 month ago
@stuttgurth What do you think Israel should have done seeing there civilians are being blown to bits by Palestinian suicide bombers who are deliberately targeting elderly Holocaust survivors at Passover Seders, teenagers in pizza parlours, buses, disco's, cafe's and restaurants.
DanKelso 1 month ago
@stuttgurth Only when the Palestinians extremist/rejectionist/supremacist attitude changes will peace really be possible.
THE REAL ESSENSE OF ''MIDEAST'' CONFLICT''
Arabs want to destroy Israel, but Israel doesn't want to be destroyed.
DanKelso 1 month ago
are you calling me a sheep!!
avor 2 months ago
Ofcourse Israel wants peace, but how to get peace with suicidebomberterrorists who hate Israel more than they love their children?
Pray for the peace of jerusalem/Israel day and night!!
FlorienBloem777 2 months ago
@FlorienBloem777 Exactly as Golda Meir said 40 years ago.
DanKelso 1 month ago
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Israel want this type of Peace
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
shadowofears 2 months ago
Those of you claiming that Israel wants to take over the world, you are wrong. Israel was officially established with a UN vote of 33 for and 13 against. It was 1948 (three years after WWII) and Jews just wanted to be left alone. From day 1 of Israel, 7 Arab countries attacked Israel. Israel wants peace. Others don't. After the Six Day War in 1967, Israel's land grew by a factor of three. It gave the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt in exchange for peace. Israel also now has peace with Jordan.
AaronDolphin613 3 months ago
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Phew ... I smell pooopaganda.
Israel, did you fart again?
Jeez, I can smell you from a million miles away. Blah! Israel, you stink.
eastariel 4 months ago
Have you ever seen kids wandering through the forest looking for a gingerbread house because they read a book called "Hansel and Gretel"? It's nice to tell them it's just a fairytale, so they can go back home and make a little gingerbread house of their own instead.
The zionazis, unfortunately, took their fairytale seriously and robbed someone else's nation at gunpoint, saying an old book gave it to them.
They remind me of the mean witch in Hansel and Gretel.
eastariel 4 months ago
Zionoliath: "Davidstinians, as soon as you stop throwing rocks at me, I'll stop dropping 100 ton bombs on you."
Davidstinians: ... (silence.)
(Oh. Sorry; they can't talk. Zionoliath killed them all for trying to survive.)
eastariel 4 months ago
im lebanese christian and i LOVE ISRAEL !
2 best place to party in the midlle east
TEL AVIV
BEIRUT
but i also love haifa soo beautiful !
xTemplar1 4 months ago
There are two Israels -- the people and the players.
I'm trying to save the people. The players -- those who are playing chess with the world -- can fend for themselves.
eastariel 4 months ago
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Israel extends its bombs in peace.
Now why on Earth won't Palestine accept Israel's gracious genocide?
eastariel 4 months ago
@eastariel So Israel shoud instead accept demographic annihilation or genocide by military conquest instead of defending its own existence? Sorry but youre way out of touch with what the reality of humanity is, survival being a key component. Every nation that has asked peace from Israel has gotten it, wonder why the palestinians cant get around even talk about peace but instead choose to kill civilians, how does it make sense that killing civilians intentionally will lead to any kind of peace?
EvitoCruor 4 months ago
@EvitoCru Oh ... you mean those firecrackers being launched over the wall that blocks them from their homeland?
Yes, it's sad that they have been driven to such desperation. Their little firecrackers have scratched up some people and even killed a few of them, each making a soccer-ball-sized hole in the ground.
Maybe they're just upset over those 100-ton monster bombs that are dropped onto their neighborhoods, killing thousands of them and blowing huge building-sized craters into their villages.
eastariel 4 months ago
@eastariel They do cause damage to things and people alike, even a firecracker can kill when you throw enough of em. The more problematic thing is ofcourse Islam inspired warriors cross the border and shoot a bus full of kids or how about butchering entire families in their sleep? Somehow its always the helpless they go after but rarely if ever those they claim are their enemies. This discussion is pointless as you obviously havent taken your blinders off yet.
EvitoCruor 4 months ago
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@EvitoCruor
Israel has steadily waged war on the Palestinians since Israel began.
Google "Rogue State: Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions" to find the article by Jeremy R. Hammond. It's a long list of terrorist charges against Israel.
OMG, I counted over 70 United Nations charges against them! No wonder so many people call Israel a brutal terrorist regime.
There's plenty of visual proof, as well, all over the internet.
eastariel 4 months ago
"HonestReportingVideo": Please put some more videos about how Israel wants peace as it builds settlements on illegal land. They are good for a laugh.
saadasim 5 months ago
fuck you
rainbowx1000 5 months ago
Of course Israelis want to have peace.
But do they want to MAKE peace?
eastariel 5 months ago
Shalom Israel!
ditte3 5 months ago
Maybe because Israel continues it's occupation, continues to build illegal settlements and violate the most basic of human rights afforded all humans "the right to self determination", in contravention of all existing UN resolutions and ICJ opinions. Those might be just a few reasons why people believe Israel does not want peace. If Israel wanted peace it would start by abiding by international law? You can't expect to have peace with your foot on the other person's throat!
steute2011 5 months ago
A STORY OF "THE LORD'S CHOSEN"
Israel to the Palestinians: "Here, take this, Palestinians! This will teach you how ignorant you are for hating us! (bombs and bullets rain down on Gaza).
BOOM! ... BLOOD ... SIRENS ... DEATH ... PARENTS CRYING ... CHILDREN DYING ... FURY.
Israel to the Palestinians: "We just want peace."
But the Palestinians were now too dead to learn not to hate the Israelis.
But now the whole world hated Israel, including Israel.
"Chosen?" By which lord ... and for what?
eastariel 5 months ago
@eastariel Jewhaters like you obsess about Jews being "chosen". Religious Jews understands the theological concept of Jews being "chosen" in terms of a contractual relationship between the Deity and the Jewish nation that obligates Jews to observe 613 commandments. Thus, for example, in classical Jewish theology ONLY the Jews were specifically chosen to observe the Sabbath and keep the dietary laws and not mix wool and flax, whereas other nations of the world were not "chosen" for this..
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@eastariel " re: "Chosen?" By which lord ... and for what?"
Now, while it's true that religious Jews believe that Jews were "chosen" for what I just described above--and it's fascinating that people like you hold such resentment against that belief--said theology has nothing to do with the right of the Jewish nation to continue to lead a sovereign existence on their ancestral soil, in a mere sliver of their historic homeland, where we originate from and where Jews have always lived.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
EBREI DI MERDA!
SEMPRE FALSI RESTATE...
sciensa 5 months ago
Whit no talkin bo chit wana peace give palestin hs land so fuckin easy ????????????? and yh obama Chut the Fuck up
homme012 5 months ago
This video is clearly for those who believe themselves to have the mentality of a goat.
beeaar01 5 months ago
We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village. – Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha’aretz, April 4, 1969.
saadasim 5 months ago
Both sides are guilty thank you.
998899999 5 months ago
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Judgement from the Lord is upon the USA , People and nations for whom have divided HIS HOLY LAND ISRAEL, For the USA has divided his Holy Land, Israel into pieces under the US Foreign Policy for Israel. The Lord said, "ANY PERSON OR NATION WHO DIVIDES MY HOLY CHOSEN LAND SHALL BE JUDGED. GOD is the ruler over ALL things, for who is able to be fight against the Lord whom is all powerful, for GOD shall do as his Word says, for he never lies, Satan is the Liar, I suggest that you ALL repent.
PaulGeoffreySmith 5 months ago
يكون خير !!
IamMuhammad 5 months ago
@IamMuhammad
There's plenty of evidence that America belonged to the Native Americans way back when.
So does that mean that today's Native Americans get to drive American citizens out of their homes and install our chiefs in the Whitehouse? No.
The Holy Land belongs to the people of the present. Families must not be driven from their homes. The past does not give people permission to commit the same crimes in the present. Israel must give the Palestinians their land and their lives back.
eastariel 5 months ago
@eastariel
Israel must NBOT give those bastard interlopers anything. Your analogy with First Nations is ludicrous. The Jews RETURNED to their homeland; they are not colonizing somebody else's land. You fail.
Lagolop 5 months ago
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@eastariel
Israel must NBOT give those bastard interlopers anything. Your analogy with First Nations is ludicrous. The Jews RETURNED to their homeland; they are not colonizing somebody else's land. You fail.
Lagolop 5 months ago
@eastariel re: "Israel must give the Palestinians their land and their lives back."
Israel must allow the Arabs who have recently adopted the name "Palestinian" to describe themselves a chance to attain sovereignty in those areas of the historic Eretz Yisrael where they constitute a majority, provided that they pose no threat to the security and existence of the State of Israel, which is a Jewish state. But there will be no "right of return" and no re-division of Jerusalem, Israel's capital.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
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@IamMuhammad
There's plenty of evidence that America belonged to the Native Americans way back when.
So does that mean that today's Native Americans get to drive American citizens out of their homes and install our chiefs in the Whitehouse? No.
The Holy Land belongs to the people of the present. Families must not be driven from their homes. The past does not give people permission to commit the same crimes in the present. Israel must give the Palestinians their land and their lives back.
eastariel 5 months ago
Israel, what speaks more truthfully to the Palestinians -- your words, "I want peace," or your bullets and bombs raining down upon them?
eastariel 5 months ago
@eastariel re: "what speaks more truthfully to the Palestinians -- your words, "I want peace," or your bullets and bombs raining down upon them?"
Israeli bullets and bombs are a response to our enemies who fire rockets at our civilian population centers and have sent human bombs to detonate themselves in our streets, buses and markets, strewing body parts willy-nilly and maiming the survivors. How should we respond; with flowers, chocolate and confetti?
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel Israel must not become a copycat by playing a game of bomb tennis. The terrorists using the Palestinians to destroy Israel are counting on Israel to copycat them, which will lead to the destruction of both populations.
Making peace involves a massive and courageous effort in education and communication among the citizens on both sides, following the creation of a Constitution applying to both Palestinians and Israelis in which human rights are guaranteed and protected by law.
eastariel 5 months ago
@eastariel re: "Israel must not become a copycat by playing a game of bomb tennis. "
It's not a matter of "copycatting," otherwise the IDF would do its utmost to deliberately target Arab civilians. It's a matter of eliminating (or at least reducing) our enemies' capacity to inflict harm on us. To do that, force must be effectively applied. That is the nature of armed conflict. Two sides use violence, and the stronger side wins;however, we won't need to use these means if our enemy makes peace
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel That's the old-fashioned way. It never works, at least not for very long.
Why not outwit the terrorists that are using the Palestinians to destroy Israel?
eastariel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel That's the old-fashioned way. It never works, at least not for long.
How about outwitting the terrorists who are using Palestinians as bait to draw Israel's attacks against unarmed citizens, and thereby destroy Israel by gathering worldwide enmity against it?
eastariel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel That's the old-fashioned way. It never works, at least not for long.
How about outwitting the terrorists who are using Palestinians as bait to draw Israel's attacks against unarmed citizens, and thereby destroy Israel by gathering worldwide enmity against it?
eastariel 5 months ago
@eastariel re:"Making peace involves a massive and courageous effort in education and communication among the citizens on both sides"
Making "true" peace requires that the Arabs who have recently started calling themselves "Palestinians" acknowledge that the Jewish nation has an ancient connection to this land and has a right to a sovereign existence here. In turn, Israel must acknowledge that a segment of the Arab nation has ties here and also deserves self-determination.(Continued.)
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel I have an ancient connection to Africa because my ancestors used to live there a very long time ago. I'm white/Native American, by the way, but everyone's ancestors came from Africa at some point.
So are you going to take over Africa next because your ancestors used to live there? It's written in an old history book, so that gives you permission, doesn't it?
eastariel 5 months ago
@eastariel re: "have an ancient connection to Africa because my ancestors used to live there a very long time ago"
That's a specious argument. Modern science and anthropology teaches us that you and all other humans have an ancient *prehistorical* connection to Africa. What you don't have is a *historical* connection. Jews have an ancient (and continual) historical, national and cultural connection to the Land of Israel. It is where we originate from as a nation.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@eastariel re:"So are you going to take over Africa next because your ancestors used to live there? It's written in an old history book, so that gives you permission, doesn't it?" Unlike primitive hominids and homo sapien progenitors who originated on the African continent aeons ago, the Jewish nation has always maintained a solid physical and cultural connection with its original homeland of Eretz Yisrael. Your appeal to ridicule doesn't work.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel Israel treats its religious book as if its some kind of real estate contract.
eastariel 5 months ago
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@eastariel re: "Israel treats its religious book as if its some kind of real estate contract." Actually, most of modern Israel's leadership from the inception of the state to the present has been secular, but whether one believes in the Torah's promise of the Land of Israel as divine inheritance or not, Jews have always lived here and like any other nation is entitled to self-determination in its own territory.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
(Ct'd) To that end, Israel must withdraw from some of the territories formerly controlled by Jordan between 1949-1967 that it took in a defensive war in 1967 and allow the Arabs who constitute a majority there to establish their own state, which they may call "Palestine", "Narnia" or any other made-up name they fancy. The Arabs living there should be entitled to establish any form of government they wish, but they must not pose a threat to Israel.True peace requires true separation and divorce.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@eastariel re: "a Constitution applying to both Palestinians and Israelis in which human rights are guaranteed and protected by law."
If and when Palestinian Arabs get their own state, they can make a constitution for their own citizens, but a written constitution is no guarantor of democracy or human rights. Many dictatorial regimes (e.g., North Korea) have constitutions promising human rights and all sorts of nice things, but democratic countries like Israel manage without a constitution.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
hahahaha i didnt finesh the video cuz is really make me sick ok israle you want peace ?? alright palestin wants peace to "But" 1-Give her all her territory you knw guys israel take 80% of palestin and she steel want the 20% WTF ??? and2-Try all the Zionists who have contributed to the war 3- OBAMA: chut the fuck up ....... :D im i rong ??? and thanks
homme012 5 months ago
It's easy to say "i want PEACE" because we ALL want PEACE ,but..
DO YOU SHAOW WHAT YOU DID IN PHILISTINE ON PEACE ????
this is the most important question!!!!
misswesam 5 months ago
LOL@username Honest Reporting
"HonestReporting is a registered nonprofit organization dedicated to defending Israel against prejudice in the Media."
That is the PRECISE definition of propaganda. In your face definition.
Gosh Israeli PR is really going downhill, I think it's the brain drain, hundreds of thousands of Israelis have left Israel, mostly the clever and educated ones. Leaving behind more religious fanatics and right wing nutjobs.
superhamzah85 5 months ago
Why is Israel the obstacle for peace? They say they want two states, so why are they frantically trying their upmost to stop Palestinian Statehood?
Why did AIPAC lobby against Palestinian statehood.
They want to return to negotiations not because they want peace, but because they want to delay it. They want the settlements to continue, and negotiate at the same time, until the day comes, when they've stolen enough land to make Palestine impossible.
superhamzah85 5 months ago
@abcdefbeef
Oppressed by the Jews - oh please! - those in Gaza are supported by the Jews including financial aid. Never mind I'm sure they'll appreciate the beer and wine!!! or is that a euphemism for more weapons. The only poor people in Gaza are those deliberately kept poor by their leaders for propaganda purposes. Wake up!
songtrill 5 months ago
We're not ignoring what Israelis are saying.
We're paying attention to what Israelis are doing.
eastariel 5 months ago
@eastariel Pity you ignore what Hamas are saying and doing but that not surprising really
gamboni100 5 months ago
@gamboni100
SCENARIO 1
Israel isolates itself, backed by bombs. Weapons attract aggression. Angry neighbors launch missiles over the wall. Israel retaliates and -- BOOM! -- angry nations bomb Israel. Goodbye Israel.
SCENARIO 2
Israelis and Palestinians share the holy land. Bickering, laughing, insulting, apologizing, they finally learn to get along. Neighbors can't bomb Israel without bombing Palestinians, so they sit and watch and respect Israel's kindness to the Palestinians.
LONG LIVE PEACE!
eastariel 5 months ago
@eastariel I agree. The best defense Israel has is to share. It was done before and it can be done again.
saadasim 5 months ago
@eastariel Angry natins bomb Isreal? haahah who Egypt Syria jordan theydo't really care about palestinians they are in such a mess now I woun't count on any of them to do anything.
In your second scenario did you take into account Hamas? . and his charter . just don't tell me that they don't meant it?
gamboni100 5 months ago
@gamboni100 Desperate times call for desperate tyrants. If Israel wants peace, they need to provide better options than Hamas is offering.
eastariel 5 months ago
@eastariel. What about Gaza what are we to do in Gaza in order for it to be called free.What better option can we offer in Gaza
gamboni100 5 months ago
@gamboni100 Freedom. Freedom from fear, poverty, starvation, oppression, and prejudice.
Freedom to control their lives, live on their land, represent themselves, be safe, and achieve understanding of their previous enemies through peaceful, safe coexistence.
Backing them into a corner and threatening their survival won't achieve this. Tearing down the walls will.
eastariel 5 months ago
@eastariel Gaza don't have a wall around it.Isreal got out of Gaza completley. they have a govrment ofr thier own adn military of thier own.. It is true we control thier sky and sea. but acording to un Palmer o we have the right to do that as long as the govermnet in Gaza decalre that thier goal s to bring an end to the jewish state. Gaza under Hamas is an enemy land and we treat it as such. we don't owe them anything . They can get all thier supply form Egypt they have a border with them
gamboni100 5 months ago
@eastariel Gaza don't have a wall around it. Israel got out of Gaza completely. They have a government of their own and military of their own. It is true we control their sky and sea. But according to UN Palmer o we have the right to do that as long as the government in Gaza declare that their goal s to bring an end to the Jewish state. Gaza under Hamas is an enemy land and we treat it as such. We don't owe them anything. They can get all their supply form Egypt they have a border with them
gamboni100 5 months ago
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@eastariel Gaza don't have a wall around it. Israel got out of Gaza completely. They have a government of their own and military of their own. It is true we control their sky and sea. But according to UN Palmer o we have the right to do that as long as the government in Gaza declare that their goal s to bring an end to the Jewish state. Gaza under Hamas is an enemy land and we treat it as such. We don't owe them anything. They can get all their supply form Egypt they have a border with them
gamboni100 5 months ago
@eastariel
"Tearing down the walls will."
Give us a break. BUILDING the walls has proven to reduce terrorist attacks. Tearing them down will ENCOURAGE attacks. THe palis should go to other arab lands and ask for a state. Problem is, their arab brethren don't want them.
Lagolop 5 months ago 2
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@eastariel
"Tearing down the walls will."
Give us a break. BUILDING the walls has proven to reduce terrorist attacks. Tearing them down will ENCOURAGE attacks. THe palis should go to other arab lands and ask for a state. Problem is, their arab brethren don't want them.
Lagolop 5 months ago
@eastariel Neither of your scenarios will come to fruition. Israel, sadly must make territorial concessions, but what is needed is not "sharing" but division. There are two separate and distinct national communities that live here and neither should impose its culture and national values on the other and both of us which need to be divorced from each other as much as possible.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@eastariel re:"Neighbors can't bomb Israel without bombing Palestinians, so they sit and watch and respect Israel's kindness to the Palestinians."
Oh, yeah? Are you not aware that many Arab citizens of Israel were killed when Hezbollah rained Katyusha rockets on northern Israel in summer 2006, when they wantonly targeted Israeli civilians without regard to ethnic origin? How about in 2008, when Israeli Arab Hahni al Mahdi was killed by a Hamas Grad attack in Ashkelon?
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@eastariel re: "Neighbors can't bomb Israel without bombing Palestinians,"
It never stopped them....In 2003, "Maxim," an Arab-owned restaurant in Haifa popular with Jews and Arabs, was targeted in a suicide bombing, 21 Israelis were killed, including half a dozen Israeli Arabs. When suicide bombers targeted Israeli buses, Arab passengers were just as likely to die. The crazies don't care if they kill fellow Arabs or Muslims as long as they also get a chance to kill some Jews.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
Israel must not use its hate to back itself into a corner.
Love will give it breathing room.
eastariel 5 months ago
MUAH!
charia2626 5 months ago
@abcdefbeef Not all Palestinian are Muslim. Many are Christians. (Many Jews also lived in peace before the Zionists came.) I am sure they will appreciate your gift if you are sincere.
OCCUPATION 101: Christians of Palestine
watch?v=yOdR5JTH0-A
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
The Israeli Assault on Christianity
goodnewsaboutgod!com/studies/spiritual/home_study/jew_assault!htm
Archbishop Chacour on his My Early Years in Occupied Palestine
watch?v=poeLkbt7dZ4
saadasim 5 months ago
Arab enemies are sent by God. They are unwilling to compromise an inch, they will never accept the Jewish state. Therefore eventually Jews will have to wake up and stop offering a compromise. They have already compromised too much.
When Jews decide do be strong and take all of land of Israel and expel all Arabs, that will be the end of the Palestinian problem.
MsCrocodileTears 5 months ago 2
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I love you Israel, you are God's chosen people!
JoyousinJesus 5 months ago
There is an official palestinian state since 1948, when UN created those two states, Israel and Palestine. They (palestinians) don't want a Palestine for 63 years! At that time the borders etc were exactly what they want today. So, they are stupids, murderers and ignorants.
anedoxxx 5 months ago 2
@anedoxxx
Actually, back in 1947, the UN never even mentioned a state called "Palestine", but what they did propose was a Jewish state and an Arab state to be created from the British Mandate of Palestine, which only existed from 1917 when the British conquered various territoris from the Ottoman Turks. Bear in mind too that the Brits lopped off the the areas east of Jordan river from their "Palestine" mandate to create Transjordan, so 76% of "Palestine" has been Arab-controlled since 1922!
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
Really, there have already been 2 Palestinian states created from the former Palestine Mandate, a Jewish "Palestinian" state (aka Israel) and an Arab "Palestinian" state (aka Jordan). Of course Jordan occupied territories west of the Jordan river designated for the second Arab state in Palestine, which Israel took in 1967. If yet another Arab state is created from parts of these disputed territories (and Gaza) it would be the third "Palestinian" state, and the second "Palestinian" Arab state.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
> keeping someone in a concentration camp for 4 years? because Israel has done that for 60
Excuse me? 800,000 Jews were forces out of Arab countries where they'd lived for a thousand years, in Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, all over the Middle East. Israel took them in. The Arab states with millions of square miles had plenty of room for the Palestinian Arabs who left (most of their own volition) when Israel was formed. No-one's in a concentration camp.
davidshermantax 5 months ago
"are you being misinformed by the media??? here, let our media misinform you instead."
beeaar01 5 months ago
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beeaar01 5 months ago
I don't consider Yahu to be an expert on national safety or human rights.
The land belongs to the people who live there, despite their religion. Bulldozing and terrorizing people away from their homes and killing them sometimes drives people into defending themselves.
Israel must stop committing new crimes as a defense against its older crimes. The Palestinians can start forgiving Israel as soon as it stops killing them.
eastariel 5 months ago
Sorry, no one believes that Israel wants peace anymore. This horrid little apartheid state has seriously destroyed American credibility in the region (which was compromised from 1953 on anyway). But our $3B annual in aid to Israel and Orwellian claims that the "peace" process is anything but a "prop up Israel" process, our support for Israeli nukes, etc have all brought us to the brink of crisis. It's time to get real and dump Israel.
MEpianist 5 months ago
@MEpianist : check out this site to view comparative economic aid to Palestine and israel:
West Bank $1.4bn - Gaza Strip $1.4bn - Israel $0.236bn
Of course this doesn't compare military aid, but then we don;t really know how much the WB and Gaza get from their allies. Perhaps once they have a constituted government they can go on a spending spree.
peterlemer 5 months ago
@MEpianist Yes, because offering the "Palestinians" (no such thing, find me a single news report referring to the "Palestinians as a distinct people prior to 1967) their own nation on three separate occasions is warmongering. You're just an anti-Semitic bigot, nothing more. Israel has done everything it can to promote peace, and every time, the "Palestinians" respond with more terrorism. There is not one single Jew in Gaza, yet that is where most of the terror comes from.
jayhoffer 5 months ago
@jayhoffer You're such a deluded propagandist, you could probably get a gig at HonestReporting. That's how risible you are, douchebag. Ever since the British mandate and the genocidal Jews of 1948, Israel has continually extracted more land from the natives and justified itself with talks of security at the "peace" processes. Well, Americans are waking up. "Peace" = "Prop up Israel." Once you understand that you understand everything. Good luck to Pres. Abbas this month.
MEpianist 5 months ago
@MEpianist
The "natives" you refer to are the JEWS themselves. No matter what taqiyya spewing tripe you and your leftist arab pandering ilk vomit, you cannot change the facts nor historical and archaeological evidence. Your failure will continue forever, Israel will be a perpetual winner and success story. The more you hate and lie, the less you will achieve. To most of us sane ppl, you are a pack of whining babies having a tantrum.
FULL support for little Israel.
Lagolop 5 months ago 2
@Lagolop No, the natives are obviously the Palestinian peoples, displaced and massacred from 1948 on. Your support for one side is obviously religious and propagandistic, while my opinion is based on sound principles of international law and morality. This is why everyone else is against you, try as you might to claim anti-semitism.
MEpianist 5 months ago
@MEpianist
"Obviously"? The "natives" were/are Jews you idiot.
"Religious propaganda"? WTF, how?
"international law"? If u knew anything about it u would realize that ISRAEL is a legal sovereign nation.
"anti semitism"? When did I say that?
You're stupidity is astounding!
#1 I 'm not Israeli; I'm Canadian. My ancestors were Germanic Europeans. Immigrated to Canada in 1800.
#2 I'm not a practitioner of Judaism; I'm agnostic.
#3 I fully support Israel because they R in the right ... period.
Lagolop 5 months ago
PISS ON YOU TOO....HAHAAAAAAAAA :DD
XYManx28 5 months ago
Israel is obstacle of the world, Jews are cancer of the human race.
h4mza786 5 months ago
@h4mza786 lulz indeed
XYManx28 5 months ago
@h4mza786
you are just jealous. I'm sure your Doctor is a jew and you are probably just a cleaner.
DBH107 5 months ago
@DBH107 lol :) , Jews are smart I mean if werent jews in the world , You wont be on the computer and surfing internet , Or be in facebook :) - Bill Geits , Mark zuckerberg.
Zetexc 5 months ago
@h4mza786 If not jews you werent be on computer , or surfing facebook . dumb : | .
Zetexc 5 months ago
@Zetexc I dont even use Facebook you cunt
h4mza786 5 months ago
@h4mza786 Dont use , I just saying that we are do something , We have knowledge while you guys teaching childes to commit suicides . Moron.
Zetexc 5 months ago
@h4mza786 You're a cancer to the human race.
jayhoffer 5 months ago
CNN is misleading us all!!
Look who's funding that channel,all commercials are: "Qatar foundation" "Turkish airlines" "Malaysia truly Asia"...
It's not surprising at all that CNN's coverage of the conflict is biased against Israel.
tzimukim 5 months ago
Israel acts peace ? are you fucking kidding me ?
Lies!!
there can never be peace
go fuck yourself.
KnightOfNight3405 5 months ago
@KnightOfNight3405 No, we are not "fucking kidding" you. Israel has offered the "Palestinians" their own state on three separate occasions, and each time the "Palestinians" rejected it. They even one time offered to completely pull all Jews out of Judea and Samaria, and in response the "Palestinians" launched a terror war and murdered 1000 innocent Israelis.
These savages don't want peace. Israel does. Reasonable people agree with this. Bigots, racists and Nazis don't.
jayhoffer 5 months ago
Why do muslims constantly threaten everyone with violence and death if someone doesnt agree with their version of the great juju of the mountain. All arabs need to do to achieve peace is to stop firing and start living like people instead of willing "refugees"
EvitoCruor 5 months ago 14
@EvitoCruor
Name one person on earth besides a Zionist who thinks 2000 years is a perfectly valid time to remain "in exile".
That is what caused this conflict, and has nothing to do with religion. Search for George Habash, and the Irgun and Stern Gang, expand your mind - bitch.
superhamzah85 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 re: "Name one person on earth besides a Zionist who thinks 2000 years is a perfectly valid time to remain "in exile"."
You're right, 2,000 years was too long for Jews to be exiled. That's why the forced Exile of Jews from their country came to a close. However, Jews have always remained a large minority in Eretz Yisrael even throughout the the years when there was no independent Jewish government in our country--there really was never a time when our country was vacant of Jews.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
You cannot claim to be in exile when you can go there freely the entire time and be Jewish. A Palestinian cannot do this, therefore they are in fact in exile. The myth of a Jewish 2000 year old exile should be put to rest, along with Zionism (AN IDEOLOGY ABOUT DOMINATION)
superhamzah85 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 "You cannot claim to be in exile when you can go there freely the entire time and be Jewish." Jews were indeed in exile because the bulk of them were actually physically exiled from their homeland and the remainder lost the ability to exercise sovereign control over their own homeland. Moreover, the right to "go there freely and be Jewish" to Eretz Yisrael during the Exilic period was subject to the discretion of foreign rulers, e.g., Romans, Byzantines,Arabs, Turks and British.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 re:"A Palestinian cannot do this, therefore they are in fact in exile."
Actually, the majority of Arabs who now go by the name of "Palestinian" (a recent innovation) live in areas that were historically thought of as constituting "Palestine" by Europeans, and most of those areas are under Arab political control. 76% of the former British Mandate of Palestine lies on the Jordan River's East Bank (now known as Hashemite Jordan) which is de facto a Palestinian Arab state.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@superhamzah85
Most so-called "Palestinian" Arab refugees who fled their homes from what became Israel in 1947-49 merely went to what became Egyptian Gaza or the
Jordanian-controlled West Bank or the East Bank, all within what has historically been known as "Palestine" by Europeans. Therefore few became "exiled" from "Palestine" itself, but in most cases they relocated a few km, as my father's cousins in East Jerusalem also had to relocate a similar distance to the Israeli side of the city.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 re: "Zionism (AN IDEOLOGY ABOUT DOMINATION)"
Zionism is an ideology about national liberation, auto-emancipation and self-determination and a refusal to submit to domination by others; the right of a once-dispersed people to continue to govern itself and live freely in what is truly a mere small sliver of its own historic land.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
How can you take seriously a country that says they want peace whilst building settlements? It's like a bank robber saying he's gonna give himself up, WHILST shooting hostages. Just comedy level stupidity if you are so gullible to fall for rhetoric like that.
superhamzah85 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 re: "How can you take seriously a country that says they want peace whilst building settlements?"
Actually, Israel has abided by the agreements and no new settlements in the disputed areas have been started since the Oslo Accords. Building new houses in already-existing Jewish villages whose future status is yet to be determined is not the same as building new settlements.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@superhamzah85
Moreover, the narrow interpretation of the PA insists that Jerusalem's eastern portion is part of the area to be negotiated, and even describes the Old City of Jerusalem and the Jewish Quarter therein (where my grandmother was born in 1907, long before anyone even heard of a "Palestinian people") as a Jewish settlement on occupied land. Under this outlandish interpretation, if I was to buy the building my great-grandparents' lived in in the Old City, I'd be a "settler".
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
There wouldn't be the issue with Jerusalem if it wasn't annexed as a capital for a country that has no right to it. There's a reason why no one has their embassy in their Jerusalem, but Tel Aviv, because it's not yours...it just isn't I'm afraid. As soon as you CLAIM it, the other will also claim it.
superhamzah85 5 months ago
@superhamzah85
How many countries maintain embassies in Jerusalem isn't relevant to its status as the capital city of Israel. What is relevant to its status is the fact that it is the seat of national government of the State of Israel, where the Knesset and Cabinet meets and where most national institutions are located. By law, it is Israel's capital and has been since 1948. Jerusalem has had a clear Jewish majority since the mid-1800s and sovereign Israel has every right to it.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 re:"There wouldn't be the issue with Jerusalem if it wasn't annexed as a capital for a country that has no right to it."
UNSCOP in 1947 recommended that Jerusalem become an internationalized "corpus separatum" belonging to neither the proposed Jewish state nor the proposed Arab state. Zionist leadership accepted this unfair deal at the time, despite the fact Jews were a majority of population. Nevertheless, this idea was still rejected by the Arabs, rendering it null and void.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 re:"it's not yours...it just isn't I'm afraid. As soon as you CLAIM it, the other will also claim it."
Arabs could have accepted the 1947 UNSCOP deal, as the Zionists did, and had an internationalized Jerusalem, but they rejected it. They could also have made East Jerusalem an Arab capital after Jordan annexed the city's eastern half and ethnically cleansed it of Jews in 1948 (no Jew could live there again until Israel's 1967 victory), but now it's too late. The boat's sailed.
ShmorgelBorgel 5 months ago
@ShmorgelBorgel
Israel did not accept anything, it DECLARED it unilaterally after a campaign of terrorism.
It no more accepted and implemented any UN resolution than the ones immediately after it, calling for a return to the green line.
The Jews ceased to be a relgious group when they became Judaists, the equivalent of Islamists. In Israel, Jews are politicized Jews, to try and equate this with ethnicity is absurd. The Palestinians were anyone living in Palestine.
superhamzah85 5 months ago
@superhamzah85 re: "Israel did not accept anything, it DECLARED it unilaterally after a campaign of terrorism.&quo