How NOT to Win $1,000,000

[yatter1]

You´re either a charlatan or deluded, and i would tell that to "the millions of people using hoeopathic remedies worldwide" because they´re equally deluded although probably not such a charlatan as you. Shame on you..

[Bandershot]

@yatter1 Ha! Who's really the charlatan? Randi put the word CHARLATAN on his door! &you, if you weren't one, you'd put your real name on your accusations, you'd pursue me w/your charges in a court of law, you'd prove them fearlessly b4 the world, But it won't happen. If I am as you say I am, I'm safe from you. FDA reg'd, peer reviewed, the action on plants, animals, biochem seen; chem desc. known; what can you do? Write angry comments? Come for me boy, I'll meet you in court, & you'll pay! LOL!

[SorbieSky]

I would like to offer a $10 prize to James Randi if he can disprove homeopathy ! Anyone giving this a bit of thought can see what a pointless challenge this is but I hope we can also see James Randi bit off more than he can chew !

You won the money fair and square !

[Mentholatum101]

I suggest you go for the 1Million Dollars, I would really want to see people win that and challenge Randi!

Since you have such strong conviction on Homeopathy, it will be great if you can proof it to the whole world.

If something truly works, nothing should prevent the truth from coming out.

Make blog with emails you send to James Randi asking to test your methods, and let everyone track it online, if he refuse to respond you will have something to argue with at least.

Sincerely,

[smarthandsomeguy]

If this clown could provide evidence in a double blind randomized test, he would not need Randi's million.

He would win himself a noble price! This guy would be funny, if people wouldn't actually buy into this kind of stuff.

[Bandershot]

@smarthandsomeguy "Homeopathic Individualized Q-potencies versus Fluoxetine for Moderate to Severe Depression: Double-blind, Randomized Non-inferiority Trial" Google it. Don't tell Randi he might get depressed.

[smarthandsomeguy]

@Bandershot I actually took the time to read the study you mentioned. I spent even more time, and looked at the board of editors (which showed the usual supects, "experts" for Ayurveda, Homeopathy, Herbal Medicine and so on, admittedly also a few people with an actual education).

The study didn't test against placebo. All that the study shows, is that the placebo effect of a homeopathic anamnesis can outweigh the effect of fluoxetine.

Which is a known. Also works for headache and backpain.

[smarthandsomeguy]

@Bandershot To make my point clearer: The anamnesis is where most of the placebo effect is expected to happen. So if you test a remedy against another treatment, but your test INCLUDES the placebo effect, it will be hard to distinguish between the two things you actually want to test.

A test of a homeopathic remedy has to be tested AGAINST the placebo. This is such an obvious design flaw, I find it hard to believe, that the ppl who made that study were not aware of that.

[Bandershot]

@smarthandsomeguy It was double blind and double dummied (placebo) I guess you missed that. If you got a better example of a test, show us one . . you're the expert.

[p0rkch0ps]

There is no proof for homoeopathy. I've seen a few of the studies you listed in the comments, and I've seen them disproved. I repeat, there is no proof for homoeopathy.

[Bandershot]

@p0rkch0ps Tell that to the millions of people using homeoapthic products worldwide.

[spideylover]

fyi there's also "ervidence" of creation science "that has been there all along for decades"

[fishontuesday]

a study is nothing without a scientific explanation.

[Bandershot]

@fishontuesday Tell that to someone who claims that homeopathy saved their life.

[tenkins]

Randi is not the "judge, jury and executioner" on the test. There is a team of people who actually know how science works that conduct the test...so why can't you win the money?

[Bandershot]

@tenkins Rule # 11. "This offer is made by James Randi through the JREF, on the behalf of no other person, agency or organization . . James Randi (via the JREF) will carry out the implementation and management of the challenge." Where do the JREF rules say anything about there being "a team people who actually know how science works that conduct the test." ?

[dantheman1507]

you deserve 10 million dolars :)

[southprkfn123]

Randi is so stupid. He failed at being a magician so now he is rich from debunking people. I notice how Randi is shown with famous psychics he is never shown with non famous psychics. Just because he proved a few psychics wrong doesn't mean every psychic medium is a fake. My friend is a medium white witch and he hates Randi. Randi doesn't know how real psychics work

[southprkfn123]

Randi is so stupid. He failed at being a magician so now he is rich from debunking people. I notice how Randi is shown with famous psychics he is never shown with non famous psychics. Just because he proved a few psychics wrong doesn't mean every psychic medium is a fake. My friend is a medium white witch and he hates Randi. Randi doesn't know how real psychics work

[disrxt]

Where are the peer reviewed scientific journal studies of your voodoos effacacy? The self referencial circle of belivers involed in your research is laughable.

[Bandershot]

Here's a list of some non homeopathic, peer reivewed journals that have published reports supportive of homeopathy. [pick one and I'll see if I can produce the report for you:

Lancet, Int'l Journal of Oncology, Scientific World Journal, Inflammation Research, American Journal of Pain Management, Archives of Otolaryngology--Head and Neck Surgery, Pediatrics, British Medical Journal, Materials Research Innovations, Medical Hypotheses, American Journal of Pain Management, (cont.)

[Bandershot]

@ disrxt cont. - J Vet Med A Physiol Pathol Clin Med., Integr Cancer Ther., Asian Pacific J Cancer Prev., Pediatric Oncology Unit, Journal of Scientific Exploration, Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine , Can J Physiol Pharmacol. , Explore (NY)., Ann N Y Acad Sci., Interdiscip Sci Comput Life Sci , Journal of Molecular Liquids, Human and Experimental Toxicology, Am J Pharm Educ., Annals of Internal Medicine, Biological Agriculture and Horticulture

[ebart1961]

What do you think about BBC's Horizon test (2002)? Do you think they made it up somehow? And what about Benveniste? Do you think they choose the wrong method to identify "omeopathy water", so to say? The first pubmed study you listed says "No positive result was stable enough to be reproduced by all investigators"...

I'm sorry if I don't go deeper in this myself, try to understand... extraordinary claims... but my question is a "honest" one.

Thank you in advance.

[Bandershot]

Thank you Ebart. Most of the commentary I get is neither questioning or polite. The BBC test was an attempted replication of a difficult test by TV producers using inexperienced technicians, in which flaws were noted. There have been 23 successful replications out of 28 attempts that I know. If they were sincerely trying to get positive results, why didn't they use someone who's produced them, like Ennis or Belon? And there are other ways to do it other than biochemical.

[Bandershot]

Letter to Randi from Josephson re: test of Benveniste:

". . I have a suggestion for you . . that you try out the claims of John Benneth, since he at least appears eager to submit his method to a test at this time; indeed, I am very surprised that you have not already

done this . . if you are unwilling to wait for Benveniste to make his process as free from possible objections then examining Benneth's claims would seem to be the

obvious way to go.

Yours sincerely,

Brian Josephson"

???

[fishzilla001]

OK, give me the proof. Send me how to do it, I'm so excited in proving paranormal phenomena, because I will be probably the first one to do so. Send me the way how to prove it and I will go to the lab straight away and prove it, win the prize and be famous!!!

[Bandershot]

You can get a demonstration of the effects of homeopathic substances using a variety of methods, in vitro and in vivo. There are fairly simple experiments you can do on plants, for instance. Italian researchers at the university of Bologna have doen extensive testing on wheat using homeopathic Arsenicum.

Google "A Biostatistical Insight into the As2O3 High Dilution Effects on the Rate and Variability of Wheat Seedling Growth" Brizzi et al.

A growing database is on PUBMED.

Investigate.

[billtheman100]

god bless u sir, u know about medicine

[billtheman100]

god bless u sir u know about medicine

[stirfriedsushi]

how would Beta scintillation help in proving that these liquids are radioactive? where do the beta emitting particles come from, are they actually putting radioactive particles into water? If that is the case, why are you irradiating people? if not, then your entire argument is moot.

my complaint about validity was about your whining, and why no one would listen to you if you just beat your chest.

my complaint about mechanism is about how dilution makes a medicine stronger

[Bandershot]

According to French phsyicists (Conte et al) beta scintillation film can record the tritium radiance from the hpathic remedies. The specificity acts on the system's electromagentic immune system at the DNA level.

Homeopaths are too interested in how or why it works, they've jsut seen that it does, and its been used successfuly in epidemics, such as H1N1 during 1918 when untrained MD's were losing almost a third of their patients, while hpathically trained MD's were losing only 1%.

[hyperdude144]

@Bandershot OK... What is the 'electromagnetic immune system'?

[Bandershot]

It's the body's ability to energetically identify thiings.

[stirfriedsushi]

one more thing, Randi dropping out of high school doesn't make him stupid. Bill gates is a college drop out and he is doing pretty well.

and there are plenty of college professors who believe in crap like esp and psychic ability.

intelligence isn't the same thing as education.

[Bandershot]

You think ESP is crap because you're an atheist.

Gates was programming mainframes when he was a kid. He went to Harvard. and has intensive knowledge of his subject, just as Randi has intensive knowledge of how to deceive people; Homeopaths, some of them MDs, have also made a life long study of what they do, which is helping people heal, but you can't accept that. H-pathy's here to stay. You need to drop the walking dead atheism schtick and experience life for what it really is.

[stirfriedsushi]

ok, if you believe in ESP then there is really no helping you. physics seems to be outside the realm of your mind.

Gates was NOT programming as a kid, but in college, and not at harvard.

and look at you, don't tell me to experience life, you are a 40+ year old man arguing with someone half your age on the internet. I am going to leave this crap once the weather clears up around here an I can go outside.

I wanted to have a real discussion about this, but you are obviously not ready for that.

[Bandershot]

You said you're not an atheist, & I said you are, & I was right, the statement above proves it, because what is more paranormal & demonstrative of psychic phenomena than the Invisble Man named God? See how screwed up you are?

So now that you've found out how smart you're not, go outside & play. Get a job, do something useful with your life.

And btw, nobody really understands energetic phenomena, & maybe never will. Nobody knew how aspirin worked until just recently. Same with homeopathy,.

[stirfriedsushi]

case in point, I have ringing in my ears and my physical therapist told me it could be caused by water so I should take decongestants. I did and it works. Does that mean that the decongestants are why the ringing stopped? no, it means that something caused the ringing to stop, maybe it was all in my head.

the point is you cannot champion a medicine that cannot be accurately explained. These claims of vibrations and water patterns are completely unfounded.

[Bandershot]

Not if you read reports by people like Nobel prize winner Luc Montagnie, which identify the EM signal of high dilutes, or Conte which describe the tritium white hole, or Roy which discusses supercavitation, colloids, crystal chemistry and nanobubbles. None of the people I've named are homeopaths, they are material scientists who are looking at hpathy from a physical and biochemcial perspective. They confirm what homeopaths have been claiming for years: Homeopathy works. You're just a sore loser.

[stirfriedsushi]

the biggest problem with every study you provided is that there is A. no explanation for how it works, and B. no account of the physical impossibility of dilution making a solution stronger.

I understand the roots of homeopathy and they do make sense, kind of like immunizations certain viruses.

The problem is that virus immunizations can be explained while homeopathy can not. It is fringe science and you are only looking at outcomes, not underlying causes.

[Bandershot]

And you want to be a lawyer? No judge is going to listen to you when you come in on one complaint (validity) and start whining about another (mechanism)

Typical atheist crap, starts saying that there is no evidence, then when confronted with it, implicitly admits the error & calls it weak.

Instead of just assuming everyone's going to take you for intelligent, ask relevant questions first w/o showing your bias. H-pathic meds are radioactive. Beta scintillation records the signal.

[stirfriedsushi]

oh, and as for what I do, I am a student studying philosophy and law, so thinking is kind of a strong suit of mine, as is open mindedness. I hope to become an attorney and work for groups like consumer freedom against people like you.

so this is pretty good practice. :P

[Bandershot]

Oh, stiffriedshit wants to be a a philospher and a lawyer. Either of thoswe takes brains, which you don't have. What a waste of money. You ought to know that the last guy who tried to sue homeopathy got thrown out of court. What you ought to do is sell used cars. The only thing I've seen you do is make up lies that only poor fools would believe, so you have a huge customer base and you'll make huge amounts of money. Try to sue homeopathy you'll go broke. But it would be a lesson learned.

[stirfriedsushi]

First off, please stop calling me an atheist, not that I am offended, you are just wrong. I am a jew. Call me that instead.

Second, Randi has infinitely more credibility than you, you do not deserve our time and attention yet, you have to earn it.

third, your only actual proof would be the in vitro results, which have not been reproduced. everything else is just a placebo.

i find it funny that you are calling me an atheist and you are acting like a religious zealot

[Bandershot]

You're no Jew, YOU'RE AN ATHEIST! You wouldn't be bothered by it if it wasn't true, & what do my creds have to do w/ the truth? I don't need to be credible, all I have to do is read & type, cut & paste the facts to show idiots like you how wrong you are.

What is Randi's credibility against two Nobel prize winners & 100's of top scientists around the world who have pub'd their results < years of study? He's a hi skool dropout w/a million bucks to lose if he admits he's wrong!

Now explain Belon

[stirfriedsushi]

you seem to be very angry. You haven't even questioned the studies you provided, and if you had you would realize they aren't accurate. The lab that did these studies was shut down for falsifying initial results which have never been reproduced.

if it is science, it has to work more that once.

[Bandershot]

Oh, stirfiredshit thinks I'm a little angry. I'll tell you what: Why don't YOU post a video about what YOU DO to help others, & read ignorant dozens post on YOUR comment section what a stupid crazy fraud you are, make up lies & phony challenges about you, & tell us how you like it? Hopefully, whatever it is YOU do is something you have a real passion for that you put years of study into, & seen what it does for others.

Now how do you explain Belon? The links are in the video desc. field.

[Bandershot]

And you're not citing what you're talking about. You're the one w/something you can't prove. First you stupid lying atheists say there are no scientific studies to validate homeopathy, & most believed it for a while. Then the studies start popping up, 100's of them, and you say, "oh, you haven't questioned them, they haven't been rep'd." Then we come up with the reps and you can't believe it, can you? You can't believe that Randi has been fooling you. What did you expect from a cheap magician?

[stirfriedsushi]

do you really think that I don't want homeopathy to be real? it would be an amazing medical breakthrough, just like if pills like extenze or enzyte would work. (insert your own i have a small cock joke here)

I've been to your site and i saw no evidence there whatsoever. You aren't offering proof, you are offering the idea that proof exists, there is a big difference.

[Bandershot]

Yes, I KNOW that you want don't want homeopathy to be real, because if you did you would accept the scientific reports that confirm it! Whenever anyone does, they end upscrathcing their heads from the results, because if it was a placebo, it wouldn't work in vitro. Your problem is that you've been infected with "atheism." YOU'RE BLIND!

Who do you think people are going to believe? High school drop outs & liars who can only vehemently deny in vitro results, or Nobel laureates?

YOU LOSE AGAIN!

[stirfriedsushi]

All i was trying to say is that not even Randi can disprove the truth. you don't need him to agree to make whatever you claim the truth, but you do need proof. No one is unwilling to believe in homeopathy, we are unwilling to believe in it without proof.

you really don't do anything but bitch in the video though. Your idea of studies don't make any sense, and you are clearly not a scientist.

[stirfriedsushi]

you really know how to take a long time to state nothing. You really haven't made any claims of validity, nor have you actually explained the studies that you claim prove homeopathy. you would be hard pressed to find a person who would chastise you for proving these medicines work, save pharmaceutical reps. Instead of bitching about how Randi is unfair, do what he does and prove him wrong. Until you have a foundation to stand on, all you are is an annoyance.

[Bandershot]

As usual, we have another phony atheist going by the name of stifriedsushi here speaking out of ignorance again. Using the same or similar terms as Randi's MDC I've offered a large monetary reward to anyone who can prove the validity of Randi's offer and so far no one's even applied. What more proof do you need? Meanwhile, dozens of studies have been done confirming homeopathy by the world's top scientists, and as always, it remains a growing, legal form of medicine. Getyourhead outof the sand.

[PrinnyKing3]

What happened to Randi's offer?

[Bandershot]

He threatened to pull it a while back, but I think pressure from his supporters kept it reinstated. He may have just threatened to do it as a money raising ploy. I've offered a monetary award to anyone who9 can prove its a valid offer uner similar terms as his, and so far no one's been able to prove its validity. Randi's "offer" is a blatant hoax

[PrinnyKing3]

James Randi said he would take you up on your offer, Mister Benneth. What happened, just out of curiosity?

[Bandershot]

We exchanged a volume of correspondence, me asking for a test time and place, which he never would agree to. He eventually refused to continue arbitration.

[harryknarry007]

These studies you talk about prove nothing. There are also studies to find witch clames that Uri Geller is not a fake. Ofcours most of us know he is.. I hope.. Is not please wake up and smell the coffee..

You can find James Randi on youtube as wel so you could email him? I really don't believe that a known man as Randi would not respond to your mails. You could take him to court if you were telling the truth witch I dont think you are..

[Bandershot]

I get a lot of stupid comments here but this has got to be one of the dumbest I've ever seen. This all began because atheists were shouting that there weren't any scientific studies to back up homeopathy. We now have two Nobel laureates who have validated homeopathy, as well as dozens of studies by scientists all over the globe, and now some bonehead comes along and says it doesn't mean anything.

Just because you don't want it to be true doesn't mean it isn't.

[jwildman95bamf]

what is homoeopathy

[Bandershot]

Good question. I define homeopathy to be energy medicine that makes use of highly diluted and succussed solvents processed in dry and liquid applications for individualized and routine treatment of living organisms to eliminate disease and alleviate trauma and suffering.

[mortenlu]

I believe 100% in homeopathy.

But I find it wierd that noone has picked up the million dollars. I have checked Randi's challenge and you are infact incorrect about him being the judge, jury and executioner of the tests. They are set up in a scientific and fair manner, monitored by neutral parties.

I wouldnt be so reluctant about try it out. If you really have proof, you WILL get a million dollars.

Maybe I should do it, but I wouldnt want to get the money with other peoples proof.

[Bandershot]

I WILL get a million dollars? No way. Even if he did have it, Randi's not going to fork over a million bucks for proof of anything, certainly not homeopathy, although I think homeopathy presents the greatest threat to the validity of his MDC.

I've had the MDC checked out by an attorney: It's an unilateral offer. It's not a valid contract, and that is why he's never signed it, and never will, unles it's right before he dies.

If you think you can win it, go for it.

[icthus560]

I just read an article that stated thousand of gallons of medicine had been dumped in the nations rivers. By my understanding of homeopathy our rivers should be horribly polluted and nothing should be alive. By the same token the worlds oceans, which have trace amounts of many harmful substances should also be equally lethal. I'm trying to understand why, if what your saying is true, it only applies intenionally mixed remedies and not to the accidental mixing that takes place all the time.

[Bandershot]

This question is brought up so many times it should have a name. There aaqre several factors that make homeopathy incomparable to simple uncontained dilution, the main one being succussion. If you made a brief study of the subject that would become apparent to you.

[Bandershot]

Then prove your hypothesis without ad homonym. Homeopthy is a legal doctrine of medical treatment. In the words of Prof. Roy, head of the Penn State materials science department, given what's now known of it, it's up to the critics now to prove that serial agitated dilutes do NOT differ in structure from their aqueous vehicles. So now you're the one w/the crazy theory. If you think the legal status of homeopathy should be changed, then let's see YOU prove it in a court of law. You can't do it.

[mapache11]

Bandershot..congratulations on inventing a new type of argument against grammarians.

It's called "ad homonym". Well done. Maybe all that h crap has gone to your head.

Or were all my profs wrong to call lt ad hominem??

[Trigaranus]

That'd be "ad hominem", wouldn't it? ;-) The vid stops right in the middle of a sentence btw.

From what I've gathered, the point in doubt is not whether the active substances in HP meds can be traced in a lab but whether they have a quantifiable curing effect beyond placebo, isn't it?

[Bandershot]

Randi has claimed that all that is necessary to falsify his hypothesis is to simply identify verum from placebo. This has been done repeatedly in labss all ove the world using various methods, including phsyical, in vivo and in vitro.

[wightboy12345]

Argument from multiplicity is poor. What is the best article out of the ones on your blog (I'm a college student; I don't have time for all of them.) and where can I easily reach a copy for verification and just to make sure I'm clear: when on your blog is says "25c silver nitrate." What does 25c mean (so far I'm assuming either one part in 10^25 or one part in 25 [the second one would actually be fairly concentrated so I assume the former])?

[Bandershot]

Then don 't use it. If you're here to defame, ask for information and then argue with it, you'll be blocked.

The work by Witt, structural analysis by Roy/Tiller et al. 25 c means 25 serial succussed dilutions 1 to 100. And so what if you're a college student? What makes you think your time is any more valuable than anyone elses?.I can send you links to current studies from Haravard, Penn State, U of Ariz, Stanford etc.

[Bandershot]

Your problem is that you present conclusions that your provincial view of the world can't support.

You asked for links to more information when they're already in the descriptive field of this video, from analysts at Harvard, Penn State, Cambridge, Stanford, U of Arizona.

You have transplanted scholarship with hostile posing, like Randi, who never even finished high school.

Whatever money is being spent on you for schooling is being wasted. Get a job as an underwear model at WalMart.

[wightboy12345]

I asked for three (implying your best three). You are making the outstanding claim. It is your burden to prove it to people. I also understand that most medicines don't under go double-blind tests, but their affects also don't evaporate under double-blind circumstances like when Randi actually did test homeopathy and looked very concerned that he would lose his money. Fact is he gave homeopathy a fair shake and it fell flat. Your hostility proves why he stopped talking to you.

[beautifulspam]

It looks like you removed my comment there, buddy. What are you afraid of?

[Bandershot]

Sorry, don't remember doing anything like that. What did you say? What is it something important?

[beautifulspam]

In cases where the chemical has been diluted to the point that no traces remain in most samples, detection of a difference in the pure water would validate part of the mechanism of homeopathy. However, if all you are saying is that there are ways to detect small amounts of chemicals in water, I have to call bullshit on that as proof for efficacy.

[Bandershot]

Yes, you're right, and detection of physical differences have been made using several methods. For the latest studies, read The Structure of Liquid Water, links are in the description field of this video.

There are also biochemical assays and biological tests that have also shown the action of high dilutes, supporting clinical claims and common usage.

But some poor souls have drank the kool aid and can't believe it.

Just check out the data in the links. Its amazing stuff.

John

[beautifulspam]

I'll have a look.

[beautifulspam]

Wait- how is identifying trace amounts of a chemical in water proof of the efficacy of homeopathy?

[Bandershot]

That's a good question. It illustrates how the arguments for are built around the negative assumptions against homeopathy, which have primarily been the null hyptoheses. Trace elements do not prove efficacy. Critical assumption has been that efficacy is imagined, as there are no orthomolecular trace elements. What destroys the null hypothesis is biochemical, biological and physical evidence. The case has already been made to adherents clinically, legally and in popular use.

[beautifulspam]

Had a look at the article and the journal- Apparently MRI's stated purpose is to allow "innovative" researchers to avoid peer review. Wow.

[Bandershot]

Subjective conclusion. You can review it for yourself using their links to Chaplin, for instance, and Stanley at Boston U.

And these are not homeopaths. Roy is a materials science chemist who has the highest credentials, and TIller is a renowned physicist at Stanford, chairs of their departments.The evidence is growing quickly against the null hypothesis for h., that the medical action of crystalliferous sols is placebo. If placebo, then how are heavily advertised patent medicines free of it?

[mohanaturo]

Homeopathy can't possibly be placebo effect because it cures objective symptoms of non self-limiting chronic diseases such as chronic tonsillitis in infants & children and tumours in animals. Infants and animals are not subject to the placebo effect.

Observer bias is not applicable to OBJECTIVE symptoms such as chronic tonsillitis, tumors and skin diseases which are routinely cured by many Homeopathy clinics/hospitals around the world one of which is the Banerji Research Centre, India.

[ronniej1183]

i must have missed something... you claim to have proof. james said prove it. and then.. did you attempt to prove it?

[Bandershot]

Ronnie- Yes, distinctions have been made between homeopathic remedies and their liquid vehicles. There are numerous methods by which it has been done, biochemically, biologically and physically. I can send you numerous links to studies on the subject, some quite recent. Google and read the interdisciplinary "Structure of Liquid Water" report online by Profs Roy, Tiller, Iris Bell & Hoover.

And yes, I asked Randi for a time and place to put one of the methods to the test. Randi demurred

Benneth

[JimHewittWhite]

"I can send you numerous links to studies on the subject, some quite recent." Is one of them the French study, where nuclear magnetic resonancing found the paramaters of water had been changed after potentisation?

Please could you send them to me aswell Bandershot? I hear Randi also ran away from- sorry, "demurred" to take up Vithoulkas. ;)

[Bandershot]

Yes Jim! Conte, Berliocchi, Vernot and Lasgne, authors of THEORY OF HIGH DILUTIONS used nuclear magnetic resonance to analyze homeopathic remedies and found that the degree of force used in succussion could be seen in the diluent. NMR has been used to analyze homeopathic remedies for over forty years now. If you have a serious interest in this, please let me know. I can put you in touch with Dr. Conte.

I sent you the links. Please let me know what you think.

best wishes,

JOHN BENNETH

[russocomedy]

James Randi, a guy with a little magic act, who when Geller's act, psychic or no, went big time, set to make a name for himself by debunking a fellow variety act like himself, claimed he did faster escapes than, (again he compares his ability to a famous act. Houdini. Randi publicizes Randi, not fraud psychics or their unfortunate victims. Psi is a real study by legitimate researchers. He wants to stop people hurting people, good. But his protocols are a scam just like the million.

[Bandershot]

Thanks for commenting here. Its good to see an occasional rational mind grace this site.

John Benneth

[dpeltner]

Well, there is an error in the first few sentences. James Randi is not judge and jury. He doesn't even want to be directly involved in the testing. Could you be objective and truthful?

[Bandershot]

Sure. Read the rules to the Psychic Challenge. They state that Randi is the sole manager of the test. He ultimately decides who qualifies and what the terms are. Look it up.

[SkepticGuy]

No, the challenge is negotiated between the JREF and the claimant and agreed to before hand.

And the success criteria are objective and unambiguous. That way no one (either side) can weasal out of it after the fact.

Your statement is wrong...

[soupdragon42]

Sure, Randi was a magician and not averse to a little trickery in order to keep his million dollars safe.

As you say, he is the judge, jury, and executioner! How can this be fair or scientific?

[andyrooney11]

I'm going to write thirty books on what a fucking moron you are...so 30 years from now somebody can say, "so I went through my library and found that there has already been literature available for...um...decades and IT IS true...that that clown with an untrimmed gray mustache is the epitome of stupidity...he is the absolute shining example of how low you can go intellectually while still barely hovering over the realm of retardation. I can prove it I read books on it that any clown can publish"

[Bandershot]

Andy Rooney - Thank you! Let me know when your first book signing is, because I want to be there! If you need any monetary help, let me know!

signed,

your friend,

JOHN BENNETH

PS: I can tell you how to make a quick and easy thousand bucks. See my video THE SKEPTIC CHALLENGE on this channel.

[dd1857]

Homeopathy works 100%..

andry rooney11  yep it works

[Bandershot]

dd1857 Thanks for saying so.

[dd1857]

Randi is a idiot and he know nothing.. Ranid is stupid....

Randi is illogical and a nit case ...

Just a nut case trying to be rational

Homeopathy works .. homeopathy works 100%

That is from Experience

[Bandershot]

You're right! Thanks for commenting!

[BadTrip4u]

I would like to say that the fact randis says he is always right if even though that sounds like bs is irrelevent to the million dollar challange basicly beacause if u choose to accept it you and the JREF sort out guide lines that u BOTH AGREE on and terms in which u belive u can perform ur "Phychic" abbillites or other such things under.

love.

Max

[Bandershot]

Max- Read the challenge rules. They state that Randi is the sole manager. Not you, me or anybody else. Randi. He decides what to test and who to award the money to. The Challenge remains unsigned and he's never formally tested ANYYONE under its terms, & NEVER WILL! It's NOT A VALID OFFER! He's said he's going to take the million $ for himself! By Randi's terms, if you can prove the Challenge VALID, I'll pay YOU $1000! See THE SKEPTIC CHALLENGE video on my channel for details.

[bogdaiki]

Thanks - it is obvious to me that Randi's challenge is just an advertising stunt for he's own name. There is a "preliminary" test and an actual test. Randi is never going to show the preliminary tests he refuses and he will never award the million. He will reject all test he can't beat, he can't "reveal" and keep on living out of the million dollars interest he's cashing every so often...:)

[Bandershot]

bogdaiki- Sorry it took so long to respond. This is kind of an orphan video, so I don't visit it much. However, let me tell you what a relief it is to receive an email like yours. I get so much hate mail I start to believe it. Then every now and then I get something like yours, and I rfemember, "oh yeah, I'm not the only one who can see this."

It's just disappointing to see how many people have bought into it . . although I think it goes deeper. There seems to be a pathological anger about it.

[ProudToBLoud]

if randi was netural as his supporters claim , the statement that he is always right and that he wouldnt have to pay out, if not based on his own bias then could only be based on precognition of the tests,yet according to randis supporters that things like precognition are woo, so when you put when randi says that he said, I have an out I am always right, when that statement is put under the microscope then it just shows you how foolish anyone is to trust him and follow him so uncritically

[Bandershot]

Proud- You're right. The best way to attack Randi's challenge is to simply to expose it by parsing it out, and revealing its subsequent history. It's fraudulent. Despite the hundreds of aps, he's never signed it. It's a bait and switch. He advertises that he'll test certain claims, then refuses to do it. That's fraud. He baits people into accepting his offer then refuses to contract with them. He also said that it would run in perpetuity, now he's terminating it and converting it to his own use.

[Heathenfidel]

JREF has tested lots of claims. They just haven't ever done a formal test, because nobody has ever passed the informal test.

[Bandershot]

Exactly the point. Randi flunks everyone in the "informal" test. He has never contracted to test anyone and never will. He simply offers his award to everyone and contracts with no one. Its a publicity stunt.

I'll pay $1000 to anyhone who can prove its a a valid test. Same rules apply.

[ProudToBLoud]

then thats another glaring contradiction, he is taking the absolute position that he is always right and that he would never have to pay out the money, yet his supporters say he just tests claims and dosent take a position either way, thats what orwell called double think, holding contradictory positions at the same time, you cannot be neutral and at the same time take an absolute position and say say psychic phenomena dont exist, it is an inconvenient contradiction for randis supporters,cont:

[ProudToBLoud]

When we test randis remark it falls apart and it shows how absurd his staunch supporters are in trying to defend him, we are told that randi is independent of the test, so then whether randi is right or wrong dosen't come into it, unless he decides who pass or fails which he does in the end, so that is the first contradiction, secondly we are told that randi is a skeptic, he dosent take a position either way he just tests claims, but when he says he has an out that he is always right then, cont:

[ProudToBLoud]

now as you will know john that randi said to dennis rawlins that "he always has an out" in response to the question what would he do if he had to pay the million dollars but later on randi said that he was misquoted and that he actually said " I always have an out,I'm Right" Now even if we give randi the benefit of the doubt, that statement still dosen't make any sense in the context of his challenge or in the context of how randis defenders try to make excuses for his challenge, cont:

[lovetoeatallthefood]

Unless you have a broken irony-detector, it should be pretty obvious that his statement was tongue-in-cheek.

[ProudToBLoud]

Randi was making another scientific claim.

The question is how do we resolve two completing claims. This is usually done by qualified researchers at respected universities (my approach), but Randi has somehow convivned a large number of Skeptics that JREF is a better way.

If anyone had lingering doubts about the scientific legitimacy of Randi's claims against Rupert Sheldrake, they can now be put to rest. RIP

[ProudToBLoud]

The issue isn't the Million Dollar Challenge. Randi can run that anyway he chooses... it's his million dollars and he makes the rules. The issue how we resolve scientific claims. When Randi attempted to shame Rupert Sheldrake with his Pigasus award he was making a scientific claim. When he announced that Sheldrake:

"... doesn't have the ability... he fails grandly when he actually gets around to doing these things."

[ProudToBLoud]

on alex site: I've received one more email from James Randi (below), but I suspect this will be the end of it. He's not even pretending to be interested in independent research (no surprise) and is insisting on applying his vast knowledge of animal behavior to a test of his own design. It still amazes me how many supposed "critical thinkers" are taken in by this guy.

This email has generated some interesting discussion, but most Skeptics seem to have missed the point.

[ProudToBLoud]

Now according to Alex Tsakiris, in light of randis behaviour with sheldrake and comments he has made then he should back that up and participate in alex study, a proper open scientific study that can be reviewed and scrutinised, coming back with apply for my challenge is just a weak get out for randi, but no doubht, randis most blind supporters will continue to make excuses and false rationalisations for a man who is behaving as slippery as some of the people he has claimed to have debunked.

[ProudToBLoud]

Hi John have you seen how slippery james randi has been behaving with Alex Tsakiris , only randis most blind and devoted followers would make excuses and continue to follow him like sheep after that, unfortunatley there is alot of those hardline skeptics that do not want to confront the truth about randi, ok later

[Bandershot]

Proud- No, I haven't. who is Alx Tsakins?

love,

John

[ReverendJuice]

If homeopathy works on a placebo effect, then it's not really supernatural. It doesn't pass the muster of the test. Also, though your studies are surprising, they aren't proof. We tend to take tests on face value without thinking...and there's a reason for that obviously. A handful of "studies" from long ago don't really count for much. There should be hundreds of studies publishing similar results if it actually worked. Since there aren't, then repeats of those studies most likely failed.

[Bandershot]

RevJuice-You're wrong . . again. Once again you're trying to prove a negative. There are hundreds of studies. You just haven't seen them. You didn't even look because you were told they didn't exist. Stop listening to Randi and open your eyes.

love,

John

[baretul]

Yes there has been test. But not that real doctors have accepted....

There is one reason why homeopathy hasnt passed the million dollar test. It is because it works with placebo effect.

[Bandershot]

And just what are the contra-indications of placebo? That we have to listen to the gripes of those who disilke it? Is that all? If placebo stops the complaint, then I say, give them placebo, and let those who don't like it try it too.

[xinit]

So, where's your double blind study? Let's see it. If you really want to do this, DO IT, and donate the million bucks to a worthy homeopathic cause.

[Bandershot]

xinit- I sub'd my method to Randi, but if you think he's going to pay me a million $ for it, then you must be more naive' than you think I am!

My latest DB test 4Randi2deny, discovered by Chas.Darwin, uses a carnivorous plant's chemotropic reaction to detect a hi dilute of ammonia salts.

Hahaha! I can't wait to see you skeptomaniacs try to weezl out of this 1! BTW, how much$ have you sent Randi? Better get it back!

[xinit]

You make a lot of assumptions and accusations without any basis. I don't belong to Randi's organization or support him in any financial way.

I propose an unblinded test with malaria remedies... I'll take the one from Big Pharma, and you take a packet of homeopathic powders. We'll go tromping about in a rice paddy during Malaria season and see who dies.

[Bandershot]

Xinit-Interesting you would talk about assumption since that is what you base your beliefs on.

As far as the use of hi dilutes in immunology goes, the NIH did a study and found that a hi dilute of the antigen can sustain a 90 day immunity; malaria I think can also be inoculated against using hd's. You ought to do a little research b4 making statements based on assumptions.

[kroovyandcal]

Malaria can also be cured through mosquito nets.

[SupermanRox]

Dude, you think Randi is "badmouthing" homeopathy? Are you freaking insane? Seriously? Are you blinding yourself to what homeopathy actually IS? Be honest with yourself, please. It's the first step to recovery.

Homeopathy = 1 molecule of non-water in ten quintillion molecules of water. Tell u what, the next time u get a life threatening disease, why don't you use homepathy to save your life. Watch what happens.

[Bandershot]

Many people, like Chas. Darwin, credited homeopathy for saving their lives, & this is a reason it has had widespread use worldwide for two centuries.

There are numerous tests you can do that show the action of h. remedies. Darwin became a believer after he was cured by h. & came up with a simple test using a carnivorous plant. Calm down, watch the video, and do the test for yourself.

[xinit]

...and Newton was an alchemist; that doesn't lend it credence nor take away from his scientific work.

[BeforeTheNoose]

Wouldn't it be easier for you to put the links to these tests in the 'about this video' section?

[Bandershot]

Thanks for the suggestion. You can see some of the references on "Secrets of Homeopathy Part III," and the Lancet meta analysis on "RE: James Randi explains homeopathy."

[METAL4EVERMAN]

I meant "does"

[METAL4EVERMAN]

baronvon uses non sequiturs, randis test dose not have to be illegal to be deeply flawed, people do not have to apply for his flawed test, but then do not make the ridiculous claim that because many have not taken his skewed challenge that his test proves anything, you might tell me you are a brave man baron von, and i might challenge you to go bungee jumping without a rope,if you dont do it i can call you a coward , its the same faulty logic, you are full of hot air dude.

[BeforeTheNoose]

Thats a straw man argument.  Well done.

[pollracker]

One is that the more diluted something is the more powerful it is. That just seems humorous to me. Another basic of it is if you want to cure something you just dilute what causes the illness. This to the scientific mind (At least to mine and im sure a few others) just fails to make sense. I will look into your blog and see if it appeals to me. In any matter you are entitled to your view on Homeopathy as I am to mine thank you for the video.

[Bandershot]

I agree, it is hard to understand. But homeopathy has wide spread use, and its effects can be isolated. But the evidence isn't accepted by a lot of people, when there are many mysteries that are. What is it do you think that makes homeopathy different?

[pollracker]

All the test i've seen have not proven it to have any more affect that that of a placebo effect. Even on the blog mentioned says in one part although it doesn't disprove the placebo effect. I mean it just doesn't make any sense if you look at it logically. To me believing in that takes more faith then believing in a god. And being a strong atheist that alone takes a lot of faith for me.

[Badblueshy]

It's not different. It's like a religion. A pseudo-science. You have dilutions so high with doses so low that there is a 1/1000 shot of actually getting the dose with the single molecule in it.

[Bandershot]

It's just as much of an anomaly psychologically as it is physically. Homeopaths never claimed it to be an orthomolecular phenomenon. For two centuries they've been observing the effects of homeopathic medicines, and given the known physics of it could only deduce that something was being imparted into the solution. What modern science has discovered is that the process of succussion and dilution creates a crystalifferous solution. Study the articles in the description. It's overwhelming.

[pollracker]

There is a limit to how diluted a substace can get before it is highly unlikely that there is any of the original substance found. But ignoring that I fail to see the how the basics of Homeopathy make any sense.

[Bandershot]

People don't use it because they understand the physics of homeopathy, they use it because it works. Its the job of science to figure out why.

[Ryausub]

Oh yes, argumentum ad populum, good work.

[Bandershot]

Ryausub-Thanks for commenting.

love,

John

[METAL4EVERMAN]

you are 100 percent correct, there is a skeptic friend of randi on youtube called riesda, and he is avoiding some questions are asked about him , the skeptics like to dish it out but when they are exposed they avoid the issues or use childish taunts.

[Baronvon]

Metal4everman...

If you've got a problem with Randi's challenege tell the authorities instead of crooning to me and others like me about it.

I'm sure they'd like to know if Randi was pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

Or are you also full of hot air?

[METAL4EVERMAN]

hi, i agree with you, randi is a quack, and the joke is some people think randi is a scientist.

[shmalfie]

Not even Randi claims he is a scientist.

[AWV]

Your video just cuts off mid sentence. I have no idea how you wrapped up your remarks. I do have one question for you. Have you, at any time, submitted a properly executed, notarized application for the one million dollar challenge?

[Bandershot]

Yes, on 1/26/99. Randi acknowledged receipt. For more info check out "Secrets of Homeopathy" on Youtube, and giriweb dot com. Thanks for asking.

[AWV]

And then what happened? I have heard from one side of the debate, who provided me with information regarding former usenet discussions you were allegedly involved in. I have not read them. I would like to hear your side of the story.

[Bandershot]

Thank you, that's a kindness I don't remember ever encountering before. I think it was foolish of me to think that Randi would pay me a million dollars to prove him wrong. There was a lot of correspondence, but he was never agreeable to what I would call a serious study of the phenomenon, as was Schwartz, who talked to me at his lab, then met with Randi in Fla., then actually performed a GDV proving at the U of Arizona with Bell and others.

[ohphop]

Where can I get the full text of the articles for your proof? The only one managed to find so far is the new scientist article - this doesnt provide proof that it works, only to provide a possible mechanism by which it might work, if indeed it did work. Ultimately if molecules do cluster together, then it represents a danger to consumers - the majority will get no benefit, one consumer may consume a cluster, with possible ill effects, given some of the toxic ingredients in homeopathic remedies.

[Bandershot]

Hey, thanks for being one of the few people so far to ask for more information. If you go to my blog I list my bibliogrpahy with cites. You can get the address on my Youtube video "The Truth About Homeopathy." In molecular clustering, there's also expansion. Google and keep asking questions. Subscribe and you'll get my next installment.

[ohphop]

Randi is judge, Jury and Executioner? it says on the JREF site: "The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place." So wouldn't your statement be misrepresenting the truth? Just what you accuse Randi of.

[Bandershot]

Come on, you got to be joking. The protocol is everything, and the conditions are redundant. All Randi has to do is disagree and the test doesn't take place. Somebody has to to make the decision as to whether the candidate has met the terms of the protcol, who is that? No judgement means no judgement. WIthout judgement the challenge can never be awarded. Use logic, figure it out. It's a greased pole conhtest.

[ohphop]

Have you watched the BBC Horizon programme about Jacques Benveniste? Its compelling viewing.

[Bandershot]

Yes, they contacted me before they made it. I replied to them with how to do it and never heard back from them. Then, instead of using a lab (such as Ennis') that had replicated the basophil test, they used an inexperienced lab that botched it. You should only be able to dismiss homeopathy after you've investigated every report of action by high dilutes, such as the GDV. Why aren't they investigating that?

[aikiboy1111111]

I've read second hand about the homeopathic trial. However, one part of that trial has James Randi and I in a disagreement about the necessity of scientifically testing for a certain paranormal phenomenon. See A Look Into The Psychic, Update (Parts 1, 2, and 3) for more details.

[rbairos1]

Are you for one moment suggesting JREF should have no ability to accept/reject the proposed protocol? Does this sound reasonable? How absurd (and shortlived) a prize if the claimant had sole discretion of the rules. The negotiation of the protocol is between the claimant *and* JREF. The details are publicly available for anyone to evaluate. You speak as though these competitions never take place which is patently false.

[Bandershot]

Then try it. Use one of the many non-clinical, physical or organic measures of high dilutes that identify them from their solvents, believe that it works long enough to "negotiate" that protocol with JREF, and you'll see what they means when he uses the word "negotiate." You could also ask Kim Il Jung to step in for Mother Theresa. They're the decider guys on what they'll accept, not you.

[ohphop]

I must confess... the number of articles referenced on your page is rather large. What would you consider to be the easiest test to perform to distinguish a sample of a highly diluted substance from a sample without the substance? Preferably one that I could try at home! (I no longer have access to spectrometry and chromatography equipment!)

[Bandershot]

Your ? is unusual. To create a simple GDV I put a solution of bakers yeast, sugar, and bakers yeast in beer bottles. I used eye dropper bottles & distilled water to create the control 1st (w/blank pill, skip if NA) and treated water (one pill of h. Staphysagria) & pour 1 solution ea. in beer bottle, covered the mouth of the bottles w/balloons. Yeast gas inflated the balloons. The Staph. balloon stayed up much longer before reabsorption. For other methods, subscribe.

[rbairos1]

Hi Bandershot. Sorry I dont have the inclination or desire to investigate something of which, frankly I find highly dubious. However since you have taken the initiative to make the public claim that the negotations are biased, could you please summarize for us here, exactly why and how they were refused in your case?

[Bandershot]

Randi said I was crazy. He demanded I get a notarized letter from a psychologist b4 he would "negotiate" further. So I wrote to Andrew Weil, was contacted by psychologist Gary Schwartz & met with him at the HESL. S. flew to Ft. Lauderdale, met w/Randi, then proceeded to design a successful GDV for high dilutes. I have also submitted myself for exam by a psychiatrist who's report is also available. Haven't heard from Randi since.

[radozg]

Sorry, but your video is nothing but blah blah blah. You know you are wrong.