Perhaps trumpet players could tell us what Wynton is adjusting when several times he reaches up to the front area of its tubing and appears to adjust something? Can one tune a trumpet? I thought they were always in tune.
unfortunately dear friend, the trumpet is never in tune. What Wynton does is 'modifying' the tube's length, so tuning the instrument. The intonation in trumpet is a complex matter, ensured by your 'lips', length of those pipes (and the quality of the instrument). He's in perfect control of everything else, so he adjusts the tuning pipe as he plays, 'cause he listens to it and it ain't right.
Trumpet is considered on the few instruments that can play micro-tones, so...
@plithos hey man! i think that almost any instrument is capable of playing these micro-tones. just like being sharp or flat, i play tenor saxophone and different notes on different instruments tend to play higher or lower than others. and i think he adjusts his tuning slide more for comfort in playing. surely a trumpet player of wyntons caliber can simply bend his notes to be in tune. but who knows!
@Chanthemanx14 yea im pretty sure most wind instuments can do microtones, if not all of them, cause thats how u get vibrato. but it is easier to do w a trumpet and trumpets can do it to rediculous amounts, in the hands of a good player.
unfortunately dear friend, the trumpet is never in tune. What Wynton does is 'modifying' the tube's length, so tuning the instrument. The intonation in trumpet is a complex matter, ensured by your 'lips', length of those pipes (and the quality of the instrument). He's in perfect control of everything else, so he adjusts the tuning pipe as he plays, 'cause he listens to it and it ain't right.
Trumpet is considered on the few instruments that can play micro-tones, so...
@plithos: Thank you for your detailed explanation. In the series of interviews that he did for the Ken Burns series on Jazz history, Wynton at one point said: "The trumpet is the only instrument that is always in tune." I guess he was just making a little joke. It went right past me.
hahaha.. probably joking. I'm playing the trumpet and i can tell you, the trumpet is, after all, on the player.. and he performs what he's used to.. and according to his (trained or not) ear (i mean after the physical tube tuning..).
The most tuned instrument in the orchestras is the oboe. And also it produces really low/few harmonics (unlike the trumpet), so it's clear to any ear. Sometimes everybody tunes on it.
Nowadays, with all these digital chromatic tuners...
@plithos I think his point was in that case that in most of the occasions when a trumpet player doesn't play in tune it's because of his 'lips' and his embouchure, not because of the instrument. Moving the pipe doesn't really do a lot btw. Believe me when I say that most of the work comes from the one who plays it.
@JazzzPianist There's a lot of truth to what you say here. But really it does matter. There is a center of each note and each player plays with a different tension on this center. That is to say that if you took ten different trumpet players and had them play the same trumpet and same note (after bragging and posturing endlessly and showing off) you'd get a bunch of different "A"s. This means that everyone has to change their own personal setting on the horn. If you don't your chops will tire!
@aarfeld Yes he is indeed tuning the trumpet, which goes up when warmed up, then there are finer tunings according which scale they are using. E G the d as the 4th harmonic from Bb(key of Bb is naturally where it shoul de, bit low. But if its the 5th note in the G scale you want it a bit sharper. He is a fine master and knows exactly what to do. Same applies to guitar players exept their strings slacken when warming up, and pitch goes down
As I am reading these comments... I just want to say "PEOPLE SHUT UP ALREADY" I really don't care f you don't like Wynton's sound or you like his sound. That he isn't dirty enough or doesn't take any risks. What is it, he doesn't sound like Miles, Morgan, Eldridge, Armstrong, Dizzy etc?... He's Wynton and that's it. Noone else. You like what you like and I like what I like. That's what makes us humans. My question is...... What did you learn from his solo work??? A whole tone scale. Articulation
I really get so tired of hearing people say that Wynton plays without emotion or that he plays it too safe. I think that so many people have read or heard someone else say those kinds of things that they start to say them to try to sound smart about jazz. Well, in my opinion, anyone who can say that Wynton doesn't play with fire and daring isn't smart but they're decidedly dumb. Wynton is the most exciting trumpet player on the scene today, period. Anyone who can't hear that has got a problem.
Sorry too. What Wynton played here was the best thing happening in this brief clip. It's just burning. Harmonically, expressively. I would say if you missed it, watch again, but clean out your ears and listen this time.
Sorry too. What Wynton played here was the best thing happening in this brief clip. It's just burning. Harmonically, expressively. I would say if you missed it, watch again, but clean out your ears and listen this time.
sorry, but i don´t like wynton´s solo too much...everything´s clean and smooth, but i think sometimes it needs to be a bit more dirty. he doesn´t take any risks. especially in a tune that leaves so much freedom to draw a painting....
I'm not sure how to answer to you -after all my jazz harmony knowledge is in amateur level and don't have the harmonic form of the piece- but, i'd disagree with your opinion, as a whole, by saying that i like musicians who can make out something that makes sense from their improvisations.. juxtaposed to just playing straight, fast and endless motivs, up & down...
@plithos Normally i would totally agree with you here, cause i'm a huge wynton fan and also believe that he can be very dirty when surrounded by his own musicians.
But here you can clearly see that redman and his crew are not the same kind of cats as wynton, who has a very hard time adapting to the overall energy and intense conversation going on behind him, in the rhythm section.
@KLSAX Wynton has played thousands of solos, for more than the last thirty years, that the average trumpet player couldn't play if they were reading it. How do you know he's not taking risk? I don't know about you, but my goal is to be clean and smooth, too.
@KLSAX Man he was plenty dirty!! Any more so and it would have been way out of the musical context. But hey you can't please everyone. He takes you for quite a ride here, sorry if you didn't hop on.
@KLSAX who are you to criticize of the greatest trumpet players of all time. and tell him he doesn't take enough risk.. its a ridiculous suggestion. you dont have to like the solo. but dont be stupid in suggesting how he should play. and he can play dirty, he just chooses not to here. also what he is doing is incredibly difficult.. idk if you play trumpet or what ever. but to play what he just improvised is difficult. and the dialogue between in and redman is fantastic.
@mariomario987 i don't mean risk in a technical way. cause no doubt he has great chops. probably technically the best trumpeter right now and you clearly hear it in this video. but as a musician i don't think he's very innovative-i actually don't agree with his idea about music and i believe i hear his musical attitude in his playing...
@KLSAX no. but ignorance of musical knowledge is why music today sucks. because of elitist jerks who criticize some of the greatest art put out by human beings. i can assure you wynton is playing exactly what he wants to play. its who he is. to sit on your ass and say that he has to "innovate" is ridiculous. you cannot sit there and place a burden like that on someone else. he has done and is doing more for promoting the jazz art than anyone else. he is comfortable doing that because he loves it
@mariomario987 calm down please. who do you especially mean by elitist jerks? apart from that i'm not sitting on my ass. you are not tolerating my point of view. i do appreciate a lot of jazz but i don't believe in educating people. that means it actually forms a society and becomes mainstream
@mariomario987 ... actually that's what i mostly feel about modern jazz. loss of sprit and spontaneity, the being in the moment. instead people playing clean and perfect. i prefer expressiveness to people feeling secure following the yet-existing model....but if you like it it's cool. it's simply not for me.
@KLSAX expressiveness?.. how are you coming to the conclusion that he is not expressive. loss of sprit? im just so confused how you come up with these things. you associate clean and perfect with having a lack of expression. i dont understand.
I agree KasayWtrumpet, his opening phrases are startling, he really has something to say. I'm a tenor sax player - I'd love some of his rythmic style.
Wynton and Joshua should have played together more often they played off each other so well!
skrovetpt 2 weeks ago
People may not realize it, but this is real...I mean, this is a real battle going on... pay close attention.
astroscorp2 1 month ago
I find Wynton a little stiff here. I think he's a bit nervous to blow in front of effin Redman is why...;-
astroscorp2 1 month ago
great concert! i was there!!
mrsaxx 3 months ago
Such a beautiful Monette trumpet.... I wish I had one :( I got a Monette mouthpiece and it's amazing. Too bad the trumpets cost $10k+
KingLumague 3 months ago
I wonder what Wynton and Redman are talking about before Wynton steps up to play.
eldwinwong 4 months ago
@eldwinwong I think they're going over the form of the song... I think josh was indicating the top of the tune
theorygeek000 2 months ago
i like so much wynton here, rhythm section is cookin so hard and he is so relaxed and creative...! josh has his own style... is good!
drlluc 5 months ago
I was There! a magic concert!
mrsaxx 5 months ago
Perhaps trumpet players could tell us what Wynton is adjusting when several times he reaches up to the front area of its tubing and appears to adjust something? Can one tune a trumpet? I thought they were always in tune.
aarfeld 5 months ago
@aarfeld
unfortunately dear friend, the trumpet is never in tune. What Wynton does is 'modifying' the tube's length, so tuning the instrument. The intonation in trumpet is a complex matter, ensured by your 'lips', length of those pipes (and the quality of the instrument). He's in perfect control of everything else, so he adjusts the tuning pipe as he plays, 'cause he listens to it and it ain't right.
Trumpet is considered on the few instruments that can play micro-tones, so...
plithos 5 months ago 4
@plithos hey man! i think that almost any instrument is capable of playing these micro-tones. just like being sharp or flat, i play tenor saxophone and different notes on different instruments tend to play higher or lower than others. and i think he adjusts his tuning slide more for comfort in playing. surely a trumpet player of wyntons caliber can simply bend his notes to be in tune. but who knows!
Chanthemanx14 3 months ago
@Chanthemanx14 yea im pretty sure most wind instuments can do microtones, if not all of them, cause thats how u get vibrato. but it is easier to do w a trumpet and trumpets can do it to rediculous amounts, in the hands of a good player.
djjjamin 3 months ago
@aarfeld
unfortunately dear friend, the trumpet is never in tune. What Wynton does is 'modifying' the tube's length, so tuning the instrument. The intonation in trumpet is a complex matter, ensured by your 'lips', length of those pipes (and the quality of the instrument). He's in perfect control of everything else, so he adjusts the tuning pipe as he plays, 'cause he listens to it and it ain't right.
Trumpet is considered on the few instruments that can play micro-tones, so...
plithos 5 months ago
@plithos: Thank you for your detailed explanation. In the series of interviews that he did for the Ken Burns series on Jazz history, Wynton at one point said: "The trumpet is the only instrument that is always in tune." I guess he was just making a little joke. It went right past me.
aarfeld 5 months ago 2
@aarfeld
hahaha.. probably joking. I'm playing the trumpet and i can tell you, the trumpet is, after all, on the player.. and he performs what he's used to.. and according to his (trained or not) ear (i mean after the physical tube tuning..).
The most tuned instrument in the orchestras is the oboe. And also it produces really low/few harmonics (unlike the trumpet), so it's clear to any ear. Sometimes everybody tunes on it.
Nowadays, with all these digital chromatic tuners...
plithos 5 months ago
@plithos I think his point was in that case that in most of the occasions when a trumpet player doesn't play in tune it's because of his 'lips' and his embouchure, not because of the instrument. Moving the pipe doesn't really do a lot btw. Believe me when I say that most of the work comes from the one who plays it.
JazzzPianist 5 months ago
@JazzzPianist There's a lot of truth to what you say here. But really it does matter. There is a center of each note and each player plays with a different tension on this center. That is to say that if you took ten different trumpet players and had them play the same trumpet and same note (after bragging and posturing endlessly and showing off) you'd get a bunch of different "A"s. This means that everyone has to change their own personal setting on the horn. If you don't your chops will tire!
SkiptimusPrime 3 months ago
@aarfeld hahaha, it's called a trigger. Some notes are just not in tune at all, so therefore they use a trigger ;)
vinnievibes 5 months ago
@vinnievibes: Thank you to the trumpet players for details on the workings of the instrument.
aarfeld 5 months ago
@aarfeld I play the vibraphone ;)
vinnievibes 5 months ago
@vinnievibes: Thus your moniker: vinnnievibes. Thanks, none-the-less, for sharing your knowledge.
aarfeld 5 months ago
@aarfeld you're very welcome ;)
vinnievibes 5 months ago
@aarfeld Yes he is indeed tuning the trumpet, which goes up when warmed up, then there are finer tunings according which scale they are using. E G the d as the 4th harmonic from Bb(key of Bb is naturally where it shoul de, bit low. But if its the 5th note in the G scale you want it a bit sharper. He is a fine master and knows exactly what to do. Same applies to guitar players exept their strings slacken when warming up, and pitch goes down
valvetrom 2 months ago
@valvetrom: Thanks you for this detailed explanation.
aarfeld 2 months ago
It sounds like a bunch of kids playing!! i would rather listen to his dad! RIP Dewey
wschrad 6 months ago
what was redman talking to wynton about at the begining?...
eldwinwong 8 months ago
Blanchard blows Wynton off the globe.
Easleytee 8 months ago
man what is the name of this tune?? i know the tune but cannot think of the name!!! help please!
mynameiszeldar 8 months ago
To all those who are so damn good at judging others: let's hear you keep up with Wynton. Jus' sayin!
ndantoni 8 months ago
Get over your musical snobery. Music is art and is subject to interpretation. Who cares if you don't know the name to every Coltrane tune.
@Joe...this means you.
@plithos...get off your knees. No one knows everything.
ndantoni 8 months ago 3
@ndantoni
thanks wise guy...
plithos 8 months ago
Wynton Marsalis is a total CAT. Damnnnn
Jazztrumpet111195 9 months ago
3:05 line on is dirrttyyyy
aguywhoplaysbass 10 months ago
This is by far one of my favorite videos of wynton, he is killing killing killing.
eagleno156 10 months ago
u just tig that u not nice like wynton KLSAX
kayja30000 1 year ago
As I am reading these comments... I just want to say "PEOPLE SHUT UP ALREADY" I really don't care f you don't like Wynton's sound or you like his sound. That he isn't dirty enough or doesn't take any risks. What is it, he doesn't sound like Miles, Morgan, Eldridge, Armstrong, Dizzy etc?... He's Wynton and that's it. Noone else. You like what you like and I like what I like. That's what makes us humans. My question is...... What did you learn from his solo work??? A whole tone scale. Articulation
boricuatrumpet69 1 year ago
two of my favorits together
awesome......dream team
wakanabeotai 1 year ago
his sound is butter, i dig
got2bejazz 1 year ago
I really get so tired of hearing people say that Wynton plays without emotion or that he plays it too safe. I think that so many people have read or heard someone else say those kinds of things that they start to say them to try to sound smart about jazz. Well, in my opinion, anyone who can say that Wynton doesn't play with fire and daring isn't smart but they're decidedly dumb. Wynton is the most exciting trumpet player on the scene today, period. Anyone who can't hear that has got a problem.
beeshor1 1 year ago
its great, but wyntons just too clinical and clean. needs to get dirtier
whattahead 1 year ago
Both of these Modern-day Jazz Cats need to make at least one album together!
JazzyZenBrotha 1 year ago
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Sorry too. What Wynton played here was the best thing happening in this brief clip. It's just burning. Harmonically, expressively. I would say if you missed it, watch again, but clean out your ears and listen this time.
Nickleculpa 1 year ago
Sorry too. What Wynton played here was the best thing happening in this brief clip. It's just burning. Harmonically, expressively. I would say if you missed it, watch again, but clean out your ears and listen this time.
Nickleculpa 1 year ago
its Green Chimneys, Monk!
funkheavy 1 year ago
sorry, but i don´t like wynton´s solo too much...everything´s clean and smooth, but i think sometimes it needs to be a bit more dirty. he doesn´t take any risks. especially in a tune that leaves so much freedom to draw a painting....
KLSAX 1 year ago
@KLSAX
I'm not sure how to answer to you -after all my jazz harmony knowledge is in amateur level and don't have the harmonic form of the piece- but, i'd disagree with your opinion, as a whole, by saying that i like musicians who can make out something that makes sense from their improvisations.. juxtaposed to just playing straight, fast and endless motivs, up & down...
he's clean though, that's the role he plays...
plithos 1 year ago
@plithos Normally i would totally agree with you here, cause i'm a huge wynton fan and also believe that he can be very dirty when surrounded by his own musicians.
But here you can clearly see that redman and his crew are not the same kind of cats as wynton, who has a very hard time adapting to the overall energy and intense conversation going on behind him, in the rhythm section.
He can't keep up.
Jazzupyourazz 1 year ago
@KLSAX Wynton has played thousands of solos, for more than the last thirty years, that the average trumpet player couldn't play if they were reading it. How do you know he's not taking risk? I don't know about you, but my goal is to be clean and smooth, too.
vncntchndlr 1 year ago
@KLSAX I think he took advantage of an opportunity to swing real hard...to contribute to the overall groove of what was going on,
Bradclef 1 year ago
@KLSAX Man he was plenty dirty!! Any more so and it would have been way out of the musical context. But hey you can't please everyone. He takes you for quite a ride here, sorry if you didn't hop on.
Zombbg4 1 year ago
@KLSAX there are plenty of interesting things in his solo.
Noosl 1 year ago
@KLSAX You should check out some of his newer live performances. ive seen some pretty good ones recently
jassfreak87 10 months ago
@KLSAX
since when is playing music about taking risks?
jackthe7th 8 months ago
@KLSAX who are you to criticize of the greatest trumpet players of all time. and tell him he doesn't take enough risk.. its a ridiculous suggestion. you dont have to like the solo. but dont be stupid in suggesting how he should play. and he can play dirty, he just chooses not to here. also what he is doing is incredibly difficult.. idk if you play trumpet or what ever. but to play what he just improvised is difficult. and the dialogue between in and redman is fantastic.
mariomario987 7 months ago
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KLSAX 7 months ago
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@mariomario987 i don't mean risk in a technical way. cause no doubt he has great chops. probably technically the best trumpeter right now and you clearly hear it in this video. but as a musician i don't think he's very innovative-i actually don't agree with his idea about music and i believe i hear his musical attitude in his playing...
KLSAX 7 months ago
@mariomario987 by the way you don't need to be anybody to have an opinion...musical knowledge is not the same as taste.
KLSAX 7 months ago
@KLSAX no. but ignorance of musical knowledge is why music today sucks. because of elitist jerks who criticize some of the greatest art put out by human beings. i can assure you wynton is playing exactly what he wants to play. its who he is. to sit on your ass and say that he has to "innovate" is ridiculous. you cannot sit there and place a burden like that on someone else. he has done and is doing more for promoting the jazz art than anyone else. he is comfortable doing that because he loves it
mariomario987 7 months ago
@mariomario987 calm down please. who do you especially mean by elitist jerks? apart from that i'm not sitting on my ass. you are not tolerating my point of view. i do appreciate a lot of jazz but i don't believe in educating people. that means it actually forms a society and becomes mainstream
KLSAX 7 months ago
@mariomario987 ... actually that's what i mostly feel about modern jazz. loss of sprit and spontaneity, the being in the moment. instead people playing clean and perfect. i prefer expressiveness to people feeling secure following the yet-existing model....but if you like it it's cool. it's simply not for me.
KLSAX 7 months ago
@KLSAX expressiveness?.. how are you coming to the conclusion that he is not expressive. loss of sprit? im just so confused how you come up with these things. you associate clean and perfect with having a lack of expression. i dont understand.
mariomario987 7 months ago
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EugeneTrumpet 1 year ago
I agree KasayWtrumpet, his opening phrases are startling, he really has something to say. I'm a tenor sax player - I'd love some of his rythmic style.
ohdingobongo 1 year ago
Miles and Trane all over again. Love it!
Winnsor 1 year ago
Dude, thanks for the post, but can you upload the rest of the tune? Eric Reed's solo, at least. This tune swings.
woodthink 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading this one! Brilliant!
IXSASifuJeff 1 year ago
great video! thanks for sharing!
LorentzYeung 1 year ago
This has been my favorite video for a couple of weeks now. I'm thinking about transcribing Wynton's solo.
kaseyWtrumpet 1 year ago
don't tell me.. i have been crazy for Wynton's solo so many months.. especially the starting phrases..
i was thinking that someone has to listen it some times to realize how beautiful phrases has in it..
i did transcribed some meters.. but then i left it somewhere.. maybe i'll continue...
but then again, the range is kind of far from my capabilities right now..
thanks for commenting man...
plithos 1 year ago
@kaseyWtrumpet Couldnt agree more I must have watched it a dozen times in the past week. Wyntons on fire
thehturt 1 year ago
The tune is "The Promise" by none other than Mr. Coltrane. Better bone up a bit...
Joe
jpcannavo 2 years ago
yeah he's right..
i bow before the native's knowledge..
thanx
plithos 2 years ago
what tune is this?
jacksonclifford 2 years ago
i'm looking for it.. but so far i haven't managed to find the correct 'match'... i will post it, when i conclude to my search...
cause it's a kinda strange composition of the band.. that doesn't appear equally in the discography of J. Redman...
plithos 2 years ago