I'm interested in Deism, and have questions re: morality. If sacred texts and their "commandments" are not really from God, and if God doesn't intervene in human affairs, then where do moral principles come from, and what is their function? Are Deists moral to facilitate good social order and/or connect with Divine Order? Do Deists have shared moral principles or are they subjective? Without Divine revelation as their source, does morality, for Deists, have any spiritual significance at all?
@lichtbroeder This is a broad question that can't be answered in 500 characters. The short answer is that morality is a function of how we treat our fellow sentient beings, likely the result of our evolution as community-based animals. The "social contract" offers a good yardstick to discuss morality. The existence of God is irrelevant to such discussions, as that which is wrong would continue to be wrong without God.
@DeistPaladin Thank you, that makes sense. I wasn't tying God to ethics/morality exclusively, (I know ethical atheists) but had a sense that these might - for Deists - touch on "order" tied to the "order" of the clockwork-like mechanism set into motion by the Great Architect. God may have no interaction with us or with creation, but we - like God - are architects and creators in our own right. Ethics/morality facilitate this. Thanks.
@DeistPaladin Nope, the "social contract" or legality has nothing to do with morality. Morality is what's right and wrong, and moral theories arise in an attempt to provide reasons for what makes an action right or wrong. Morality exists independently of human beliefs because their is "reason" to distinguish right from wrong.
@lichtbroeder First of all, one does not need divine revelation to acquire a set of moral principles. Reason alone can determine an the morality of an act. God is the final cause for everything, including morality, the holy scriptures...and so on, therefore he must have created morality. I'm sure their are those who would claim that morality that morality is 'subjective', but as a Deist, I do believe in an objective moral standard and spirituality.
@Sublime570 None of us is born "knowing" that we shouldn't kill, steal, etc. We are taught this, though this "teaching" need not come via religion. I sense that some didn't understand my initial question. (jimmyt3411 did) I asked if Deists saw morality and ethics as being contrived social expedients only, or as something more: as mirrors of Divine order which, when embraced, connect us to it. I didn't say that morality and ethics came FROM God via "revealed truth" or religion.
@Sublime570 Some sense God's presence in the natural world innately, but also by discerning that presence, with effort involved. We are no more born "knowing" right from wrong than are we born "knowing" that planets orbit stars. We discern these things and teach others. If a single cell under a microscope can exemplify Divine Order, then so can social order, based on ethics/morality, however defined. We aren't "good", "just because", but because being "good" connects us to God.
Two things. 1 -and this is completely irrelevant- but you kind of sound like/remind me of Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. 2 - I'm well on my way to self-identifying as Deist.
I would say jesus is nothing more like than Confucius, Mahatma Ghandi, Muhammad and all other great moral teachers. Yea! He is one hell good moral teacher. One thing that sets him apart from this men is his claim as the son of God, That's when most people in his time believed in him, and that started Christianity. Man in himself can be moral even without having his own religion. I hope people will stop having irrational beliefs and start having rational ideas. Deism for World Peace!
what a fucking asshole, he don't give a shit about us eh... Why did he created such thing as evil things and good things? I could be a better god... FUCKINGSHIT FUCKING SHIT We're fucked that asshole left us shit. fuck, What a loser He might be nuts O.o or a masochist o.o i bet he's having fun watching what we are doing... lucky bastard
Come on; the bible has some really inspirational reading though: Mathew 5:26, Jesus says" If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it sway". Luke 14:26 " Jesus says "hate your father, hate your mother, hate your wife and children, and hate your brotheres and sisters" to prove your love for god. Just a couple of examples of attrocoties of the bible the inspire millions of people of low intelligence.
I must say that although Yahweh is depicted in the OT as physically human like, that is not the Christian view of God as St. Paul state that God is spirit
That's what I love about being a Deist. I will always believe in GOD but have always questioned the bible. As a Deist I can still believe in GOD and in science. Through logic, reason, and rationality we can understand how GOD created the universe and how the universe works.
im basically a new found deist who was raised catholic but always questioned alot of stuff like this and morals, its really nice to have found "Deism" because i always wondered why its either atheist or Religious, because no one really knows, or has the right to suppress another's life with his own beliefs,
I'm a Deist but still in Angels and demons,Heaven and Hell That God is god and especially I believe that Jesus is still the son of god because of the virgin mother of christ which proves that no one gave life to jesus but god himself and I follow all the teaching of christ and love him as much as god. But we are not only the one that god created theres a vast universe out there and about millions of galaxy out there and there might be another life form out there.†
Dude! The WHOLE of Israel heard God talking to Moses. There were MANY people present to validate Moses' claims!
Christianity, likewise had many eye witnesses to the Resurrected Christ. The main difference is that they (early Christians) weren't linked by blood-family bonds.
Thinking that these stories are fallacies due to lack of witnesses is absurd.
PS; Extraterrestrial life as been in and around earth since the dawn of society. It is nothing new or 'unnatural'.
Please watch my short video called 'To All The People In The World'. It tells about how we should not fight about believing in a different religion/ideology.
deism makes even the most rational atheist look like a fool, no atheist till today has been able to attack deism as they have attacked christanity,richard dawkins does not have anything 2 say against deism, why will he? it is more rational than his belief
I am deistic... As Sir Isaac Newton said "God is like a Clockmaker. Having created the perfect mechanism of this universe, God then left his creation to run on its own, like a clock."
@MasonicOverlord I'm not sure if that is good or bad, but I find it very true. God isn't here to hold your hand while you get hurt throughout life. He only sits above, watching us, letting us make our own decisions, deciding our own fate.
@bass109 All that this video was use evidence against the positive claims of the Christian Religion. All this video uses is negative logic. The burden of proof remains on you. Evidence please.
A "supernatural" deity is nonsense - the notion itself is ridiculous; "outside of Nature." It's like speaking of something existing apart from that which exists.
hey deistpaladin i got question how do you know god really existed if god reveal himself to anyone can he be hiding somewhere how we know if your not making this up?
Not all Deist's believe in the THE "God", but just a non-denominational higher power responsible for creation who has no direct influence upon us, it doesn't necessarily have to be the Christian God.
theres the big bang theory, everything came from a single point, but that is impossible without time standing still because obviously the chemical mixture that is the universe is insustainable at a single point
exidence: the big bang.
Now what force started time? it cant have always existed for reasons i stated earlier.
theres the big bang theory, everything came from a single point, but that is impossible without time standing still because obviously the chemical mixture that is the universe is insustainable at a single point
exidence: the big bang.
Now what force started time? it cant have always existed for reasons i stated earlier.
@kidsareannoying He is a deist. Which is someone that simply believes God is real or at least was real at one point in time. Deist don't believe in religion, heaven, hell or the afterlife. We just believe God is or was real, set the universe in motion billions of years ago and does not intervene. We are close to atheists but not as close-minded.
The evidence for giants is 'there'. Gigantic 'human' remains have been found across the world, you can read about it and see the photos for yourself just do a little research. The evidence for flood is also 'there' otherwise so many cultures wouldn't have stories about it. 5:02 As far as the bible goes Angels aren't meant to save souls for Jesus or anything like that. I love deists like Jefferson and Voltaire but some of the arguments are just no valid.
Well done, DeistPaladin...well done. I am proud to know you as a fellow Deist. Continue to embrace God-given Reason...the universe is, indeed, miraculous. Keep free your mind, friend.
Great video. As a deist myself, this perfectly explains to my friends who are a majority Christian or Atheist. One of the questions I always propose to theistic believers is, "Why isn't this world, this extraordinarily beautiful world we live in, so much of a let down that you must have a means of escaping it? What is it that you are not satisfied with?" The universe is such a marvelous place and our own existence is such an improbability that it leaves nothing but mere fascination with it all.
nice video right up until around 5:10 when it admits that deism is basically one big argument from ignorance. Which is cool but makes you almost as bad as a typical religious simpleton. After all most of them are plenty rational when it comes to anything except their beliefs.
Very interesting video, thanks for uploading! I have been thinking about religion from the point of view of "which parts of religion are demonstrably false, and which could be true?" Your video is a great attempt at answering my question, so thank you again.
@DeistPaladin So, what's the border between deism and agnosticism (if not atheism) ? Is that just a matter of faith or can we relie on some evidence? Logical proof? What was your journey to deism?
@shanoxilt All Atheists may not be auto-theism, but many are. Ask them, who their god is, they may say "no-one" or many in my experience say that "they themselves are" (ego).
I am not in the business of painting who is good and who is bad, everyone has a life-span and each of us have to die. This is the universal truth. Hence, live and let live!
The Natural Laws are one thing that compels me to believe in God, more specifically a Deist God. It is the simplest of laws that create the most complex elements of our Universe, which means that God is very efficient. These laws cannot be broken by anything in the natural universe, even if they do not know what these laws are making these laws full proof and perfect. I cannot imagine a God that has to intervene constantly with such perfect and efficient laws in place.
I think you have fallen in love with the word law. These are not "laws" that things follow because they have to. They are observations. They can be "broken" until we find better ways to describe what we are observing and then a new "law" is created
To think that some creature is in space writing "laws" is absurd.
Every time i read these comments i find something i disagree with,i call that the "law" of youtube.Do i need a deity to validate that or is it just an observation?
Both atheism and religion are false concepts. Deism is the only truth to life. If you were born with advanced DNA and superior RNA like all deists possess then you would see the truth. If you have not evolved to our level then evolution has failed you and you are nothing but waste. Deism.com
This isnt what my veiw of deism is. An example of a deist would be Anton Lavey. Also, I was thinking that the reason I see nothing but magic used in our entertainment was attributed to either deism or freemasonry. Watch some tv, I bet after 15 mins you could find magic or symbolism on the screen or in sounds. Of course, these things could be invisible if you dont know what it is, like not being able to read.
im just doing some self research and i found your video, you said that the flood had no evidence. I know you made this video in early 09 but there is evidence its all over even in the first written text of Sumeria. Ive believed my way and called myself a realist. Believing both sides Science and God. Didnt say organized religion.Finding out that im more in this direction self searching great stuff.
Okay, to answer the age old question where did everything come from. Theists just say God created everything. Alright.........that answers everything.....EXCEPT who or what created God? Everything comes from something. It cant just already be there.
although atheists love to bring up that "who created god" question, its actually not really a problem at all. you see, everything we see around us is a part of this 3 dimensional, "natural" plane that we exist in. "god" however would be inherently seperate from this dimension of time and space...as in existing in a realm oustside of it. so when you say "it can't just already be there" thats just cause we can't understand it. who knows how things work in other dimensions?
You cant use quantum tmechanics that way guy. Using science to prove the existence of a conceptual being is pointless. By your logic, Santa Claus can exist in a seperate dimension. In other words, you cant have your cake and eat it too.
"by your logic santa claus(e) can exist in a seperate dimension"
yes he could, whats your point? if you have an understanding of the idea "infintity" then you must therefore accept one thing: if infinity exists in any way (in one dimension, in the very small, if there is an infinite number of dimensions, time, etc etc) then EVERYTHING probably has/is/will exist.
oh, and on a more ironic note: i ate cake for breakfast this morning. seriously.
Havent you heard?The cake is a lie. But on another note, if you are going to believe in dimensional physics then you might as well include the doppleganger theory. For god (or santa) to exist in any dimension they must already exist. Not just as fictional imaginary friends but have real physical bodies. Made of energy or fat or whatever.
@Tartersauce101 not realy. infinity does not alow everything to exist. it only alows those things that can exist. the things that cant exist never exist bechose there is no system to make them. how culd santa exist? thats the key. not philosophicaly anything can exist but physicaly only the things that laws of nature alow exist.
yes, of course, laws of physics and nature don't allow for everything. however when i said that, i was really assuming many(infinite) existences(dimensions) beyond this one, as in seperate, beyond/outside/inside this universe as part of the infinite. i've thought this way for a long time, so failed to really clarify that point.
@deistpaladin I recently converted to atheism, but found myself defending science and reason, and trashing the bible, but never wanted to disprove that someone had to have started the big bang. I now consider myself a Deist. Thank you very much.
VERY VERY VERY Well put together presentation. It speaks to your intelligence and also to the intelligence of most people who subscibe to the belief of Deism. I thouroughly enjoyed your work, keep it up!!!!!
All of these 3 religion Muslim Christan and Jewish origins come from pagan religons if you read history and mitology of romans and greeks and arabs then read their holy books old and new testaments and quran you will see the lies , perverted fathers and mothers and barbarism , bloodsheet .There was obvious that a maker create as say God or whatever in fact it had not sent any prophets
guys incase you didnt understand most people define deism as God created the laws of science or the universe and did not do much after that side beliefs like reincarnation or aliens do not matter
Deism seeks enlightenment through education. I dos not seek to destroy any religion but to try and understand it. To me the human ape as used all religions to evolve into civilized humans. Today these civilizations are in conflict.. However we all share the same dream to live in peace.
This can only be achieved by wishing for others what we wish for ourselves.
...you could do a google search in less time than it would take to ask me.
i live a few miles from something called locally the "mormon rocks" which were at one point in time underwater...they are in a elevation now of about 5000 ft above sea level. i don't believe in the bible, BUT that doesn't mean the world hasn't gone through massive floods. it has. there is geographical evidence, and anecdotal evidence from the many many cultures who report of them.
Deism isn't about being skeptical, it is about being curious and not willing to accept answers "on faith", and instead demand proof by physical evidence, or at the very least, logical deduction . God doesn't require mysticism, people simply use it to explain the things he hasn't figured out yet. Deism is the idea that someone likely created the universe because it exists (although that someone may or may not still be around) and everything can be explained in rational terms, by design.
Doubtful=Deists and Denials=Atheists. Hence I do believe that Deists are just an evolution from Atheists. Its the same concepts from Atheists just now that Deists believe that there is a "creator".
I for one DO NOT follow the mainstream religion as it is DIVIDED and sectored up. Muslims are Shias and Sunnis NOT Muslims; Christians and all others are the same!
As per God's attention to us, it is subtle since WE PEOPLE do not notice it; air, food, sky, sun, rotation of earth, water, embryo,etc.
Thanks to all the responses, atleast we are having a decent conversation, and I must say much better than those I have with Atheists. ISDP1337, you asked for a proof of creator, and if you are a Deist; I dont need to prove that since its the same God that I am talking about.
As per confusing doubt with denial and having a personal god; is it not true that we all have personal gods? Deist's god is somewhere in the universe as he left us after creation & Atheist's god is oneself and ego?
With all the corruption going on, its obvious that believers are no longer a typical christian, Muslim or Jew; they are just that, a confused person. But there is something very flawed with the teachings of Deism - ie God created all this - the only kind of earth across this vast universe and then just left!
This is the reason why I see Deism is just an "evolution" from Atheism. It took 100's of years to prove that there is a "creator" and it will take some more time to believe & submit to God!
Don't confuse doubt with denial. The atheist sees no reason to believe in any god and the deist sees no reason to believe in a personal god. If God is involved in our daily lives, It is choosing to be so subtle as to be unnoticeable. One can speculate as to why this might be but it seems more likely that we're just not that important and what seems like a lack of personal attention is what it seems.
There seems to be something very flawed with some Christians take that God had direct and confirmed *revelations* to only a small group, with a nearly 2k year gap since the last revelation that was canonized scripture. I find it flawed to think that God directly intervened and stuck chariot wheels in the mud, but instead, the tide just came in and it was too muddy. I find it flawed to think God made beings that require "I.T." support and are prone to hardware & software malfunctions
The bigbigdaddy, if you have proof that there is indeed a creator, I am extremely interested in knowing what it is.
Now, as for "submission" to God - that is an entirely different question. Why an all-powerful being requires worship is beyond me. Why any human beings should feel inclined to worship him, that too I cannot understand.
It seems to me that most theists set higher standards of legitimacy for their fallible political leaders than they do for their perfect God.
@thebigbigdaddy I think you need to be careful when telling a Deist what he/she believes because there are different view points when it comes to Deism.
" But there is something very flawed with the teachings of Deism - ie God created all this - the only kind of earth across this vast universe and then just left!"
you are not necessarily explaining Deism from a Deists perspective, but instead from your own view of what you think Deism is; which seems to be from the perspective of a Christian.
Deists believes in Creation, then we all believe in one or more Creator. For the longest time, there were 2 groups - Atheists and Theists. In short, there were groups of people in either extreme, Atheists being "OBJECTIVE" and Theists being "SUBJECTIVE". With Deists, a middle ground has been establised. The idea of Deists is nothing new, I just hope that you'll dont believe that there is an Architect like in the movie Matrix :p.
@thebigbigdaddy dude, the only reason deism exist because there's so much FLAW with the teachings of christianity, islam or judaism(it's jewish if u ppl didn't know) -_- :p
@JeloMulawin I completely agree with the flaws in how the people who follow the religion. Oh and BTW, there is this BIG misconception that Islam and Christianity are all Jewish. It is not the case, but one can say its all "Abrahamitic" ie from Abraham - at least with the practices.
Deists (atleast a recognition of a higher power) should also recognize that this same High power who has created ALL that is around us,and then "repeats"it. Notice a sperm turn into a being, with all things in place.
@thebigbigdaddy you can't really blame deist to rely on reasoning and logic to find the true meaning of life. The time religious people become deist is when we find organized religions do not make sense any more....but personally, as a deist, i still have respect for people of religion, as long as they respect my own beliefs....
I guess I also agree with what you are saying that deism is only a "repetition" of what Judaism, Christianity and Islam became. Same God, but different beliefs.
@JeloMulawin I applaud ur behavior towards reasoning, logic and understanding of life and beings that live in it. At times it is very hard for people to recognize that we are ALL talking about the same Creator, just different point of views towards it.
I also agree with "organized" religion not making sense anymore, primarily because the "organized" religious people are busy trying to "divide" and rule! The way to get to them is to read their own scripture,& c if they practice what they preach.
@thebigbigdaddy why thank you! although i judged you initially as hypocritical of deism, our discussion went well and i do respect everything you say. I witness people who make the sign of the cross over them so many times, but do they really do it because of their own beliefs, or because they are only expected to do so?
@JeloMulawin Wearing a cross is the least of my concern, and they might do it because of either their belief or just because everyone else does it. We are creatures of habit, and breaking habits are a very tough thing, besides you are treated as an outcast.
I have a better question: Where in the Bible does Jesus say that he is god? Also, there is NO WORD called "Trinity" or "Catholic" or "Protestant" in the bible even after making so many changes in it! Ppl are following the Pope, not the Bible!
@thebigbigdaddy agree, the church just imposed these things for us to follow. Either Jesus was real or not, he's more likely not God, even he said it himself... How would it make sense that during his crucifixion just before his death, he is talking to himself if he was God. And why would God do such "scene", yet people still continue to sin 'til this day... You're spot on saying that the bible was heavily altered, even the original 10 commandments aren't the same.
@thebigbigdaddy Second thing, taking science into account (since I'm studying a science course myself and I did astronomy as a subject :p), with the vastness of stars and planets out there, wouldn't it be possible that God created other planets with life, which possibly do even better than us humans. The truth of life is indeed a great mystery....
@JeloMulawin This is curiosity at its best, and I love it! Heck, if Moses after talking asked for God to descend; does it mean that Moses did not believe in God or didn't believe "enough" or was it curiosity?
As per the universe pertaining another "earth" is like asking if the Greek gods exist?Maybe they did fly from the other universe! There are just as many stories as there are heads in this world. With the closest star 5.88 trillion miles away, one can see why "star trek" stories pop up :).
@JeloMulawin i like deistpaladin. i was desit. or more acuratly multideist bechose i thouth that is more probible that there is many gods bechose where therer is one there is usualy more. i allso thouth that they need to have friends. allso where does god get the inspiration if he is alone. there have to be growing world where he learned form hes parents. i felt bad for god and i thout that he is much more happy if he does not exist.
I don't think you have the right idea about Deism, Through all my research i have not found a single Deist that believes that this planet is the only one that is inhabited by conscious beings like humans, if you think about it rationally(what deism is based on) you can hypothesize that with the vast universe and an infinite number of solar combination there is a possibility of other life in the vast universe.
There is no confusion when you return to the revealations given to us by our Creator and seek the Truth.
What you see as 'confused' is due to your holding onto superstition and falsehood.
There is proof of our Creator and it is available to anyone. As well, this proof not only shows His way - His Sunnah - is based on logic, reason, and scientific principles based on evidence.
I believe in a creator. I just do not believe that Islam has all the truth nor any other "religion". In fact, it is very possible that ETs also believe in some of a creator and even some believe in reincarnation and have their own belief systems. The universal truth has to be that a "creator" exist but the "religions" of Earth does not contain the whole truth.
I consider myself a Christan I just simply don't take the bible in a literal way. If you don't take it literally then you don't have to believe that God gives a god damn if I blaspheme or not god damit ;)
As Ghandi puts it well, "There are just as many gods as there humans, but in essence there is only One God."
BTW, its a step to the direction to atleast mention that there is a Creator, call it God or Allah - it does not matter. There is enough evidence that "all this" cannot all be a chance. I for one am surprised why everyone is not an Athiest with all the wishywashy,but for me - Deism appears to be just a few steps away from Submission to God. Our age old question is to find our purpose(s).
I have too much respect for God than to be a Christian or a Muslim.
Think about it. You believe in a being powerful enough to get the ball rolling on this universe who's so insecure he needs validation from you. You believe you can make God angry by blasphemy and make God happy with rituals. You have power over God and all this universe is all about you. You believe in a little god, a petty god, as Dawkins has said.
Dawkins is an individual who is trying to put himself in God's shoes! He is painting his own God as we all are, just as at times we make our own "egos" as our god. A god could be anything or anyone including oneself. Believing in a Creator takes us beyond our own selves, and as per rituals are concerned, God is not hungry for any of this! Understanding that there is a Creator is just one step, but understanding that as humans we require GOD's assistance NOT the other way around! God Bless!
An atheist could easily make the argument that the men who penned the bilbe and edited which parts would be in there were doing much, much more than what you think Dawkins is doing. Which is why atheist, it seems, are preplexed by the accusation that atheist put themselfves" in God's shoes" as atheist can easily find that it's likely the Christians (for example) are worshipping the thoughts of other purely human people (Apostles etc) & one's intuition/thoughts/hopes (Holy Ghost) as God.
@DeistPaladin to me. word god is just a nother word for tyran. and it semes that you too belive in god that has personality. that is person. or a mind. allso you have double standard. why whuld god hide from us? why whuld i have to exept your god expleantion to the universe any more then angels are expleantion to healing. sure we cant see the angels but that does not mean that they are not there. it migth be that they are just using natural forces. i like you and you are full of ideas.
@rockyfan21, your last statement: "Theists believe God can reveal himself to his creatures." God/creator could be revealed through reason and evidence. As for ET life? There is some evidence of this but the Q is why it is not clearly stated and explained through Biblical sources and Islamic sources. While Hinduism may explain this through symbolism but it believes in the reincarnation of the Creator just like the previous ancient pagan egyptians.
@rockyfan21, thanks for the clarification. No I'm not perfect and therefore I do not know all the answers. Accoding to your understanding I would be a "deist". According to my research and reading I would conclude that most religious books are actually natural books and not from divine sources.
That is the most illogical thing I've ever heard. You must be delusional. How about following that statement up with some facts. "God has to intervene because time is pre-planned"? That is tomfoolery on your part.
You think you have all the answers and yet you make a contradictory statement by saying you are a Deist/Theist. There is a distinguishable difference between the two: Deists (like myself) DO NOT believe in revelation and Theists do. You have to be one or the other. You can't be both. Deists believe in God based on the evidence of reason and nature only. Theists believe God can reveal himself to his creatures.
I am a Deist/Theist and not an Atheist. I believe in a creator lust like the Masons belief in a Master Architect. I am not a Mason because of their use of pagan Egyptian ceremonies which were found by Napolean in Egypt.
Angels & Demons derive from the Pagan Egyptians. Moses derive his ideas from the Book of the Dead/Life and the revolutionary ideas of pharaoh Akhenaton. There is a spiritual and soulf force wtihin us. This is something the Pagan Egyptian also recongized. There are Bad & Good spirits this derives from the souls of the deceased. If you meditate and leave good energy then you leave a good spirit on earth. Bible & Quran are natural books and not divine.
more and more open-minded scientists believe that giants actually have lived on earth. scientist found a human bone that belong to a human that was 3meters and 61 cm of height....
You ou will find that most giants are hoaxes, and that most "evidence" for them is dubious and doubtfull in nature. We need cold hard facts, not hearsay.
Thanks Symbaoe, I didn't know how to respond to his claim of "evidence of circa 10 foot tall people" outside of a facepalm.
I don't know if I mentioned this in the video but giants are impossible. The cube-squared rule means that human bone structure won't support them. Even real life abnormally tall people have spinal problems later in life, if not early on.
Heh heh heh, don't worry about it. I too used to believe in Giants (not due to any religion), but now I have become somewhat skeptical, and rightly so.
well there are 'giants' today with a genetic disorder which keeps them growing. It isn't because some angel fucked their mom and then they became a giant.
Just because the generation of life and evolution "seem" miraculous, doesn't mean that it is.
A miracle is "an event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin". But evolution is a well-documented natural process, and by definition, not a miracle. And while abiogenesis is still mostly unresolved, I see no reason to assume a supernatural origin.
Finally, why is "The Gift of Reason" not simply a product of naturalistic evolution?
Everything in our universe is observable, testable, and subject to the scientific method. So by definition, no, the universe is not miraculous. Beautiful, mysterious and awe-inspiring, yes, but not miraculous.
Every event in our universe has a natural explanation, and none of them require the realm of the supernatural. Hence, no miracles.
I think you're stretching the definition of the word miracle.
Well if a genius such as Einstein made this declarative statement, and there truly only 2 ways,doesn't that mean that both options are right and neither wrong. Meaning, ppl shouldn't knock others for their beliefs- whatever they are.
Einstein wasn't the first to make such a statement. Tom Paine said the same thing when he wrote "everything is a miracle and nothing is a miracle", summing up the deist's sense of awe about the universe.
In other words, the natural universe is enough. We don't need sticks turning to snakes or parting waters.
I am absolutely fascinated by the universe- from the solar system to the central nervous system. I'm not quite sure if I'm a Deist, but I do know for the certain the Bible is a load of hooey. My God-given reasoning won't allow me to believe otherwise.
From a deist perspective, why doesn't the null hypothesis apply to the creation of the universe? After all, there is no evidence to suggest a deity had any role.
I see no reason to make that leap of faith, and don't understand what causes a deist to do so.
Do you still have your godvsthebible website? I can't seem to access it. Please advise if it has changed or what might be the problem. Thanks!
TexasCatMom6760 2 days ago
I'm interested in Deism, and have questions re: morality. If sacred texts and their "commandments" are not really from God, and if God doesn't intervene in human affairs, then where do moral principles come from, and what is their function? Are Deists moral to facilitate good social order and/or connect with Divine Order? Do Deists have shared moral principles or are they subjective? Without Divine revelation as their source, does morality, for Deists, have any spiritual significance at all?
lichtbroeder 3 weeks ago
@lichtbroeder This is a broad question that can't be answered in 500 characters. The short answer is that morality is a function of how we treat our fellow sentient beings, likely the result of our evolution as community-based animals. The "social contract" offers a good yardstick to discuss morality. The existence of God is irrelevant to such discussions, as that which is wrong would continue to be wrong without God.
DeistPaladin 3 weeks ago
@DeistPaladin Thank you, that makes sense. I wasn't tying God to ethics/morality exclusively, (I know ethical atheists) but had a sense that these might - for Deists - touch on "order" tied to the "order" of the clockwork-like mechanism set into motion by the Great Architect. God may have no interaction with us or with creation, but we - like God - are architects and creators in our own right. Ethics/morality facilitate this. Thanks.
lichtbroeder 3 weeks ago
@DeistPaladin Nope, the "social contract" or legality has nothing to do with morality. Morality is what's right and wrong, and moral theories arise in an attempt to provide reasons for what makes an action right or wrong. Morality exists independently of human beliefs because their is "reason" to distinguish right from wrong.
jimmyt3411 4 days ago
@lichtbroeder First of all, one does not need divine revelation to acquire a set of moral principles. Reason alone can determine an the morality of an act. God is the final cause for everything, including morality, the holy scriptures...and so on, therefore he must have created morality. I'm sure their are those who would claim that morality that morality is 'subjective', but as a Deist, I do believe in an objective moral standard and spirituality.
jimmyt3411 4 days ago
@lichtbroeder We're born knowing naturally that we shouldn't kill our mother and father, morality comes naturally not through religion.
Sublime570 3 days ago
@Sublime570 None of us is born "knowing" that we shouldn't kill, steal, etc. We are taught this, though this "teaching" need not come via religion. I sense that some didn't understand my initial question. (jimmyt3411 did) I asked if Deists saw morality and ethics as being contrived social expedients only, or as something more: as mirrors of Divine order which, when embraced, connect us to it. I didn't say that morality and ethics came FROM God via "revealed truth" or religion.
lichtbroeder 1 day ago
@Sublime570 Some sense God's presence in the natural world innately, but also by discerning that presence, with effort involved. We are no more born "knowing" right from wrong than are we born "knowing" that planets orbit stars. We discern these things and teach others. If a single cell under a microscope can exemplify Divine Order, then so can social order, based on ethics/morality, however defined. We aren't "good", "just because", but because being "good" connects us to God.
lichtbroeder 1 day ago
Two things. 1 -and this is completely irrelevant- but you kind of sound like/remind me of Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. 2 - I'm well on my way to self-identifying as Deist.
Ohaiku91 3 weeks ago
@Ohaiku91 My wife says the same thing. Lucky for me she likes nerds,
DeistPaladin 3 weeks ago
I would say jesus is nothing more like than Confucius, Mahatma Ghandi, Muhammad and all other great moral teachers. Yea! He is one hell good moral teacher. One thing that sets him apart from this men is his claim as the son of God, That's when most people in his time believed in him, and that started Christianity. Man in himself can be moral even without having his own religion. I hope people will stop having irrational beliefs and start having rational ideas. Deism for World Peace!
mhydarlzyin 1 month ago
I love diesm, it makes more sense to than anything I've ever heard.
stratocaster1986able 1 month ago 3
I am a Naturalist--I like you concepts.
jmgibbs53 1 month ago
nuffing real is 'super' natural
TheEYECON1 2 months ago
didn't most or all of those awesome events happen in the old testament before Jesus?
EBB47 3 months ago
Excellent,. Can you tell me if there any Deist orgs I can join to find like-minded people?
rory12001 3 months ago
@Drgamedood almost any religion is better than christianity
Master0fPuppets231 4 months ago
@jettrink60
only if you still believe or think of an christian supernatural "god"
Ulansananelan 4 months ago
what a fucking asshole, he don't give a shit about us eh... Why did he created such thing as evil things and good things? I could be a better god... FUCKINGSHIT FUCKING SHIT We're fucked that asshole left us shit. fuck, What a loser He might be nuts O.o or a masochist o.o i bet he's having fun watching what we are doing... lucky bastard
anon000000000000000 4 months ago
I'm a devout Catholic but I beloved in some Deist views its quite interesting
dopedpanda 4 months ago
Come on; the bible has some really inspirational reading though: Mathew 5:26, Jesus says" If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it sway". Luke 14:26 " Jesus says "hate your father, hate your mother, hate your wife and children, and hate your brotheres and sisters" to prove your love for god. Just a couple of examples of attrocoties of the bible the inspire millions of people of low intelligence.
pucksterz12 5 months ago
@pucksterz12
have you gone a theology school? many christian will laugh at your statement. Please think before you speak
INYO121277 2 months ago
You sir, are incredibly well spoken. Thank you.
Skimboardguy481 5 months ago
Deïsm in a nutshell: God doesn't give a shit anymore about us. but that would explain a lot:p
Guitarvirtuoso666 5 months ago
Orthodox Jews and the majority of Christians have a very different view of the OT
bob21294 5 months ago
I must say that although Yahweh is depicted in the OT as physically human like, that is not the Christian view of God as St. Paul state that God is spirit
bob21294 5 months ago
Deism > Christianity
Drgamedood 6 months ago 23
@Drgamedood anything > Christianity
tomek92pl 3 months ago
That's what I love about being a Deist. I will always believe in GOD but have always questioned the bible. As a Deist I can still believe in GOD and in science. Through logic, reason, and rationality we can understand how GOD created the universe and how the universe works.
MrSammy2014 6 months ago
im basically a new found deist who was raised catholic but always questioned alot of stuff like this and morals, its really nice to have found "Deism" because i always wondered why its either atheist or Religious, because no one really knows, or has the right to suppress another's life with his own beliefs,
martinez1671 7 months ago
I'm a Deist but still in Angels and demons,Heaven and Hell That God is god and especially I believe that Jesus is still the son of god because of the virgin mother of christ which proves that no one gave life to jesus but god himself and I follow all the teaching of christ and love him as much as god. But we are not only the one that god created theres a vast universe out there and about millions of galaxy out there and there might be another life form out there.†
ronster794 7 months ago
Dude! The WHOLE of Israel heard God talking to Moses. There were MANY people present to validate Moses' claims!
Christianity, likewise had many eye witnesses to the Resurrected Christ. The main difference is that they (early Christians) weren't linked by blood-family bonds.
Thinking that these stories are fallacies due to lack of witnesses is absurd.
PS; Extraterrestrial life as been in and around earth since the dawn of society. It is nothing new or 'unnatural'.
Awe4God 8 months ago
@Awe4God books written decades/centuries after jesus's supposed time on earth wrote about eye witnesses, not from the eye witnesses themselves.
cabot2jville2010 6 months ago
Please watch my short video called 'To All The People In The World'. It tells about how we should not fight about believing in a different religion/ideology.
royalsteven 8 months ago
As a Deist, I I loved this video however I feel I could've added some things to it though.
Myusernamerulez 8 months ago
I love being a Deist. I never agreed with Christianity, never.
crps3ESA 8 months ago 15
deism makes even the most rational atheist look like a fool, no atheist till today has been able to attack deism as they have attacked christanity,richard dawkins does not have anything 2 say against deism, why will he? it is more rational than his belief
TheStarryboy 8 months ago
I have a question about Deism: Deism says that God has a plan for all things, but do Deists think that God CAN intervene IF he wanted to?
xxTheGhilliedGhostxx 9 months ago
does deism have to be based off the christian bible?
anaemiabag 9 months ago
@anaemiabag No, it's based only on the natural universe. Ex-Muslims, Ex-Hindus, Ex-whatever can be deists just as easily as Ex-Christians.
DeistPaladin 9 months ago 3
@anaemiabag
No, Deism isn't based on the Bible at all. We reject the Bible in fact.
Syrinx69 4 months ago
I am deistic... As Sir Isaac Newton said "God is like a Clockmaker. Having created the perfect mechanism of this universe, God then left his creation to run on its own, like a clock."
It makes sense.
MultiNerve 1 year ago
@MultiNerve You are one of the few enlightened inidivuals on the planet
MasonicOverlord 11 months ago
@MasonicOverlord I'm not sure if that is good or bad, but I find it very true. God isn't here to hold your hand while you get hurt throughout life. He only sits above, watching us, letting us make our own decisions, deciding our own fate.
MultiNerve 11 months ago
how would you know what god does or doesnt do when you have no interaction with any gods whatsoever?
Pelonetillo 11 months ago
this video is complete lie and all who follow this logic are doomed. period
bass109 1 year ago
@bass109 All that this video was use evidence against the positive claims of the Christian Religion. All this video uses is negative logic. The burden of proof remains on you. Evidence please.
Krapenhoeffer 11 months ago
Christian God will rule the earth
bass109 1 year ago
@bass109 in his fairytale book not in reality
thescorpionking2020 1 year ago
A "supernatural" deity is nonsense - the notion itself is ridiculous; "outside of Nature." It's like speaking of something existing apart from that which exists.
OccidentalMan 1 year ago
I just wanted to say thank you for providing such material it is truly a gift of knowledge .
TheArcaneSanctum 1 year ago
hey deistpaladin i got question how do you know god really existed if god reveal himself to anyone can he be hiding somewhere how we know if your not making this up?
americanliberal09 1 year ago
Not all Deist's believe in the THE "God", but just a non-denominational higher power responsible for creation who has no direct influence upon us, it doesn't necessarily have to be the Christian God.
hoolign55 1 year ago
What you've stated in this video goes for Darwinism, bro. Where's the fossil record for the fish we've supposedly evolved from?
jshjamaar 1 year ago
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theres the big bang theory, everything came from a single point, but that is impossible without time standing still because obviously the chemical mixture that is the universe is insustainable at a single point
exidence: the big bang.
Now what force started time? it cant have always existed for reasons i stated earlier.
CoolParkourName 1 year ago
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theres the big bang theory, everything came from a single point, but that is impossible without time standing still because obviously the chemical mixture that is the universe is insustainable at a single point
exidence: the big bang.
Now what force started time? it cant have always existed for reasons i stated earlier.
CoolParkourName 1 year ago
I dont get what you are, a theist, deity or atheist?
kidsareannoying 1 year ago
@kidsareannoying He is a deist. Which is someone that simply believes God is real or at least was real at one point in time. Deist don't believe in religion, heaven, hell or the afterlife. We just believe God is or was real, set the universe in motion billions of years ago and does not intervene. We are close to atheists but not as close-minded.
shartasticful 1 year ago
@shartasticful Okay but what would be the point of God creating thw world and leaving it?
and saying because God was bored is not an answer
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kidsareannoying 1 year ago
@kidsareannoying I can't answer that question. Not because of any influence other than the fact that I just don't know.
shartasticful 1 year ago
Actually the Jews is the only religion that God gave them the bible in front of the entire nation at the time, 3 million people; after Moses came down
If that wasnt true, it would be disproved at that time and the religion would be out the window at that time 2000 years ago
kidsareannoying 1 year ago
I am with you brothere
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Alexsuper15 1 year ago
The evidence for giants is 'there'. Gigantic 'human' remains have been found across the world, you can read about it and see the photos for yourself just do a little research. The evidence for flood is also 'there' otherwise so many cultures wouldn't have stories about it. 5:02 As far as the bible goes Angels aren't meant to save souls for Jesus or anything like that. I love deists like Jefferson and Voltaire but some of the arguments are just no valid.
GompCelticPL 1 year ago
Well done, DeistPaladin...well done. I am proud to know you as a fellow Deist. Continue to embrace God-given Reason...the universe is, indeed, miraculous. Keep free your mind, friend.
M.D. Little
mdlittle5466 1 year ago
Great video. As a deist myself, this perfectly explains to my friends who are a majority Christian or Atheist. One of the questions I always propose to theistic believers is, "Why isn't this world, this extraordinarily beautiful world we live in, so much of a let down that you must have a means of escaping it? What is it that you are not satisfied with?" The universe is such a marvelous place and our own existence is such an improbability that it leaves nothing but mere fascination with it all.
pokketlint 1 year ago
nice video right up until around 5:10 when it admits that deism is basically one big argument from ignorance. Which is cool but makes you almost as bad as a typical religious simpleton. After all most of them are plenty rational when it comes to anything except their beliefs.
Berelore 1 year ago
Very interesting video, thanks for uploading! I have been thinking about religion from the point of view of "which parts of religion are demonstrably false, and which could be true?" Your video is a great attempt at answering my question, so thank you again.
ConsciousAtoms 1 year ago
@DeistPaladin So, what's the border between deism and agnosticism (if not atheism) ? Is that just a matter of faith or can we relie on some evidence? Logical proof? What was your journey to deism?
sinzaik 1 year ago
Atheism and Deism sound so much more true to me then christianity
Lamicktin 1 year ago
@shanoxilt All Atheists may not be auto-theism, but many are. Ask them, who their god is, they may say "no-one" or many in my experience say that "they themselves are" (ego).
I am not in the business of painting who is good and who is bad, everyone has a life-span and each of us have to die. This is the universal truth. Hence, live and let live!
thebigbigdaddy 1 year ago
The Natural Laws are one thing that compels me to believe in God, more specifically a Deist God. It is the simplest of laws that create the most complex elements of our Universe, which means that God is very efficient. These laws cannot be broken by anything in the natural universe, even if they do not know what these laws are making these laws full proof and perfect. I cannot imagine a God that has to intervene constantly with such perfect and efficient laws in place.
TheMrDeist 1 year ago
@MrDeist
I think you have fallen in love with the word law. These are not "laws" that things follow because they have to. They are observations. They can be "broken" until we find better ways to describe what we are observing and then a new "law" is created
To think that some creature is in space writing "laws" is absurd.
Every time i read these comments i find something i disagree with,i call that the "law" of youtube.Do i need a deity to validate that or is it just an observation?
qarohc 1 year ago
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Both atheism and religion are false concepts. Deism is the only truth to life. If you were born with advanced DNA and superior RNA like all deists possess then you would see the truth. If you have not evolved to our level then evolution has failed you and you are nothing but waste. Deism.com
XDanny420 1 year ago
This isnt what my veiw of deism is. An example of a deist would be Anton Lavey. Also, I was thinking that the reason I see nothing but magic used in our entertainment was attributed to either deism or freemasonry. Watch some tv, I bet after 15 mins you could find magic or symbolism on the screen or in sounds. Of course, these things could be invisible if you dont know what it is, like not being able to read.
shane4896 1 year ago
im just doing some self research and i found your video, you said that the flood had no evidence. I know you made this video in early 09 but there is evidence its all over even in the first written text of Sumeria. Ive believed my way and called myself a realist. Believing both sides Science and God. Didnt say organized religion.Finding out that im more in this direction self searching great stuff.
xLowLightx 1 year ago
Miracle of the Sun -1917
Liezei 1 year ago
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Deism is a pretty reasonable philosophy.
crowbarftw 1 year ago
Okay, to answer the age old question where did everything come from. Theists just say God created everything. Alright.........that answers everything.....EXCEPT who or what created God? Everything comes from something. It cant just already be there.
fromstart2finish 1 year ago
@fromstart2finish
although atheists love to bring up that "who created god" question, its actually not really a problem at all. you see, everything we see around us is a part of this 3 dimensional, "natural" plane that we exist in. "god" however would be inherently seperate from this dimension of time and space...as in existing in a realm oustside of it. so when you say "it can't just already be there" thats just cause we can't understand it. who knows how things work in other dimensions?
Tartersauce101 1 year ago
@Tartersauce101
You cant use quantum tmechanics that way guy. Using science to prove the existence of a conceptual being is pointless. By your logic, Santa Claus can exist in a seperate dimension. In other words, you cant have your cake and eat it too.
fromstart2finish 1 year ago
@fromstart2finish
"by your logic santa claus(e) can exist in a seperate dimension"
yes he could, whats your point? if you have an understanding of the idea "infintity" then you must therefore accept one thing: if infinity exists in any way (in one dimension, in the very small, if there is an infinite number of dimensions, time, etc etc) then EVERYTHING probably has/is/will exist.
oh, and on a more ironic note: i ate cake for breakfast this morning. seriously.
p.s: i wasn't using science.
Tartersauce101 1 year ago
@Tartersauce101
Havent you heard?The cake is a lie. But on another note, if you are going to believe in dimensional physics then you might as well include the doppleganger theory. For god (or santa) to exist in any dimension they must already exist. Not just as fictional imaginary friends but have real physical bodies. Made of energy or fat or whatever.
fromstart2finish 1 year ago
@Tartersauce101 not realy. infinity does not alow everything to exist. it only alows those things that can exist. the things that cant exist never exist bechose there is no system to make them. how culd santa exist? thats the key. not philosophicaly anything can exist but physicaly only the things that laws of nature alow exist.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
@gooddarkjedi
yes, of course, laws of physics and nature don't allow for everything. however when i said that, i was really assuming many(infinite) existences(dimensions) beyond this one, as in seperate, beyond/outside/inside this universe as part of the infinite. i've thought this way for a long time, so failed to really clarify that point.
Tartersauce101 1 year ago
If I were to form a cult that worships the Big Bang as God would I technically be a Deist?
RaynorX 1 year ago
@RaynorX: I would think not. Deism is opposed to organised groups like cults or religions.
InfernalApocalypse 1 year ago
@RaynorX
I think that would make you a pantheist or something.
shanoxilt 1 year ago
@deistpaladin I recently converted to atheism, but found myself defending science and reason, and trashing the bible, but never wanted to disprove that someone had to have started the big bang. I now consider myself a Deist. Thank you very much.
knottsknocks 1 year ago
Ye-ah, adding that to my favorites for sure...
MizVanity 1 year ago
VERY VERY VERY Well put together presentation. It speaks to your intelligence and also to the intelligence of most people who subscibe to the belief of Deism. I thouroughly enjoyed your work, keep it up!!!!!
TheLOUDLIBERAL 1 year ago
Noah Arc could have been copied from a story from Greek Polytheism.
BinALA 1 year ago
All of these 3 religion Muslim Christan and Jewish origins come from pagan religons if you read history and mitology of romans and greeks and arabs then read their holy books old and new testaments and quran you will see the lies , perverted fathers and mothers and barbarism , bloodsheet .There was obvious that a maker create as say God or whatever in fact it had not sent any prophets
Orhundrizzt 1 year ago
guys incase you didnt understand most people define deism as God created the laws of science or the universe and did not do much after that side beliefs like reincarnation or aliens do not matter
chrissjg 1 year ago
What is a "Jack Chickean" view of the world (4:50)?
whoistheroach 1 year ago
You're not familiar with Jack Chick. I can't link in the text comments but just do a search on that name and I'm sure you'll find something.
DeistPaladin 1 year ago
Oh shit... King James only...look out, boys and girls.
whoistheroach 1 year ago
What is the point in deism and other "natural relegions" if god doesn' do anything anyway?
BabelOn4infinity 2 years ago
Deism seeks enlightenment through education. I dos not seek to destroy any religion but to try and understand it. To me the human ape as used all religions to evolve into civilized humans. Today these civilizations are in conflict.. However we all share the same dream to live in peace.
This can only be achieved by wishing for others what we wish for ourselves.
petebax1 2 years ago 10
@petebax1 How do you know that you and them have the same taste? (By wishing for others what we wish for ourselves)
Mogzyx 1 year ago
I really respect deism and understand their skepticism for religion. However, you posted some things falsely.
At 1:06 you say Yahweh sits down for lunch with Abraham.
Gen18.1: "YHWH appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day.
Lunch?
You say Yahweh wrestles Jacob:
Gen 31:24: "Then God came to Laban the Aramean in a dream at night and said to him, "Be careful not to say anything to Jacob, either good or bad."
jboydlaw 2 years ago
excellent video.
but there is evidence for the flood (both physical and literary ((other then the bible))
Tartersauce101 2 years ago
@Tartersauce101 and that evidence is where? please tell us...dont just assume we will believe you because you say so.
tracytubevideos 11 months ago
@tracytubevideos
...you could do a google search in less time than it would take to ask me.
i live a few miles from something called locally the "mormon rocks" which were at one point in time underwater...they are in a elevation now of about 5000 ft above sea level. i don't believe in the bible, BUT that doesn't mean the world hasn't gone through massive floods. it has. there is geographical evidence, and anecdotal evidence from the many many cultures who report of them.
Tartersauce101 11 months ago
one word...AMAZING.
gbortuhno 2 years ago
Deism isn't about being skeptical, it is about being curious and not willing to accept answers "on faith", and instead demand proof by physical evidence, or at the very least, logical deduction . God doesn't require mysticism, people simply use it to explain the things he hasn't figured out yet. Deism is the idea that someone likely created the universe because it exists (although that someone may or may not still be around) and everything can be explained in rational terms, by design.
dennislbrown 2 years ago 7
Doubtful=Deists and Denials=Atheists. Hence I do believe that Deists are just an evolution from Atheists. Its the same concepts from Atheists just now that Deists believe that there is a "creator".
I for one DO NOT follow the mainstream religion as it is DIVIDED and sectored up. Muslims are Shias and Sunnis NOT Muslims; Christians and all others are the same!
As per God's attention to us, it is subtle since WE PEOPLE do not notice it; air, food, sky, sun, rotation of earth, water, embryo,etc.
thebigbigdaddy 2 years ago
Thanks to all the responses, atleast we are having a decent conversation, and I must say much better than those I have with Atheists. ISDP1337, you asked for a proof of creator, and if you are a Deist; I dont need to prove that since its the same God that I am talking about.
As per confusing doubt with denial and having a personal god; is it not true that we all have personal gods? Deist's god is somewhere in the universe as he left us after creation & Atheist's god is oneself and ego?
thebigbigdaddy 2 years ago
@thebigbigdaddy
Atheism is not autotheism, no matter what religionists say.
shanoxilt 1 year ago
Excellent summary. Thanks a lot for putting this together. And the picture of you being addressed by "God" is priceless.
Happy holidays.
timeofwonder2009 2 years ago
With all the corruption going on, its obvious that believers are no longer a typical christian, Muslim or Jew; they are just that, a confused person. But there is something very flawed with the teachings of Deism - ie God created all this - the only kind of earth across this vast universe and then just left!
This is the reason why I see Deism is just an "evolution" from Atheism. It took 100's of years to prove that there is a "creator" and it will take some more time to believe & submit to God!
thebigbigdaddy 2 years ago
Don't confuse doubt with denial. The atheist sees no reason to believe in any god and the deist sees no reason to believe in a personal god. If God is involved in our daily lives, It is choosing to be so subtle as to be unnoticeable. One can speculate as to why this might be but it seems more likely that we're just not that important and what seems like a lack of personal attention is what it seems.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago 3
There seems to be something very flawed with some Christians take that God had direct and confirmed *revelations* to only a small group, with a nearly 2k year gap since the last revelation that was canonized scripture. I find it flawed to think that God directly intervened and stuck chariot wheels in the mud, but instead, the tide just came in and it was too muddy. I find it flawed to think God made beings that require "I.T." support and are prone to hardware & software malfunctions
MinervaInTheBrain 2 years ago
The bigbigdaddy, if you have proof that there is indeed a creator, I am extremely interested in knowing what it is.
Now, as for "submission" to God - that is an entirely different question. Why an all-powerful being requires worship is beyond me. Why any human beings should feel inclined to worship him, that too I cannot understand.
It seems to me that most theists set higher standards of legitimacy for their fallible political leaders than they do for their perfect God.
ISDP1337 2 years ago
@thebigbigdaddy I think you need to be careful when telling a Deist what he/she believes because there are different view points when it comes to Deism.
" But there is something very flawed with the teachings of Deism - ie God created all this - the only kind of earth across this vast universe and then just left!"
you are not necessarily explaining Deism from a Deists perspective, but instead from your own view of what you think Deism is; which seems to be from the perspective of a Christian.
mikethecolorist 1 year ago
@mikethecolorist I am NOT promoting Christianity.
Deists believes in Creation, then we all believe in one or more Creator. For the longest time, there were 2 groups - Atheists and Theists. In short, there were groups of people in either extreme, Atheists being "OBJECTIVE" and Theists being "SUBJECTIVE". With Deists, a middle ground has been establised. The idea of Deists is nothing new, I just hope that you'll dont believe that there is an Architect like in the movie Matrix :p.
thebigbigdaddy 1 year ago
@thebigbigdaddy dude, the only reason deism exist because there's so much FLAW with the teachings of christianity, islam or judaism(it's jewish if u ppl didn't know) -_- :p
JeloMulawin 1 year ago
@JeloMulawin I completely agree with the flaws in how the people who follow the religion. Oh and BTW, there is this BIG misconception that Islam and Christianity are all Jewish. It is not the case, but one can say its all "Abrahamitic" ie from Abraham - at least with the practices.
Deists (atleast a recognition of a higher power) should also recognize that this same High power who has created ALL that is around us,and then "repeats"it. Notice a sperm turn into a being, with all things in place.
thebigbigdaddy 1 year ago
@thebigbigdaddy you can't really blame deist to rely on reasoning and logic to find the true meaning of life. The time religious people become deist is when we find organized religions do not make sense any more....but personally, as a deist, i still have respect for people of religion, as long as they respect my own beliefs....
I guess I also agree with what you are saying that deism is only a "repetition" of what Judaism, Christianity and Islam became. Same God, but different beliefs.
JeloMulawin 1 year ago
@JeloMulawin I applaud ur behavior towards reasoning, logic and understanding of life and beings that live in it. At times it is very hard for people to recognize that we are ALL talking about the same Creator, just different point of views towards it.
I also agree with "organized" religion not making sense anymore, primarily because the "organized" religious people are busy trying to "divide" and rule! The way to get to them is to read their own scripture,& c if they practice what they preach.
thebigbigdaddy 1 year ago
@thebigbigdaddy why thank you! although i judged you initially as hypocritical of deism, our discussion went well and i do respect everything you say. I witness people who make the sign of the cross over them so many times, but do they really do it because of their own beliefs, or because they are only expected to do so?
JeloMulawin 1 year ago
@JeloMulawin Wearing a cross is the least of my concern, and they might do it because of either their belief or just because everyone else does it. We are creatures of habit, and breaking habits are a very tough thing, besides you are treated as an outcast.
I have a better question: Where in the Bible does Jesus say that he is god? Also, there is NO WORD called "Trinity" or "Catholic" or "Protestant" in the bible even after making so many changes in it! Ppl are following the Pope, not the Bible!
thebigbigdaddy 1 year ago
@thebigbigdaddy agree, the church just imposed these things for us to follow. Either Jesus was real or not, he's more likely not God, even he said it himself... How would it make sense that during his crucifixion just before his death, he is talking to himself if he was God. And why would God do such "scene", yet people still continue to sin 'til this day... You're spot on saying that the bible was heavily altered, even the original 10 commandments aren't the same.
JeloMulawin 1 year ago
@thebigbigdaddy Second thing, taking science into account (since I'm studying a science course myself and I did astronomy as a subject :p), with the vastness of stars and planets out there, wouldn't it be possible that God created other planets with life, which possibly do even better than us humans. The truth of life is indeed a great mystery....
JeloMulawin 1 year ago
@JeloMulawin This is curiosity at its best, and I love it! Heck, if Moses after talking asked for God to descend; does it mean that Moses did not believe in God or didn't believe "enough" or was it curiosity?
As per the universe pertaining another "earth" is like asking if the Greek gods exist?Maybe they did fly from the other universe! There are just as many stories as there are heads in this world. With the closest star 5.88 trillion miles away, one can see why "star trek" stories pop up :).
thebigbigdaddy 1 year ago
@JeloMulawin i like deistpaladin. i was desit. or more acuratly multideist bechose i thouth that is more probible that there is many gods bechose where therer is one there is usualy more. i allso thouth that they need to have friends. allso where does god get the inspiration if he is alone. there have to be growing world where he learned form hes parents. i felt bad for god and i thout that he is much more happy if he does not exist.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
@thebigbigdaddy
I don't think you have the right idea about Deism, Through all my research i have not found a single Deist that believes that this planet is the only one that is inhabited by conscious beings like humans, if you think about it rationally(what deism is based on) you can hypothesize that with the vast universe and an infinite number of solar combination there is a possibility of other life in the vast universe.
metahelix 1 year ago
@thebigbigdaddy
There is no confusion when you return to the revealations given to us by our Creator and seek the Truth.
What you see as 'confused' is due to your holding onto superstition and falsehood.
There is proof of our Creator and it is available to anyone. As well, this proof not only shows His way - His Sunnah - is based on logic, reason, and scientific principles based on evidence.
Proof: God
watch?v=zzcVu-CpzXQ
Bring your proof.
Peace.
Surah72 10 months ago
I believe in a creator. I just do not believe that Islam has all the truth nor any other "religion". In fact, it is very possible that ETs also believe in some of a creator and even some believe in reincarnation and have their own belief systems. The universal truth has to be that a "creator" exist but the "religions" of Earth does not contain the whole truth.
cris750 2 years ago 2
I consider myself a Christan I just simply don't take the bible in a literal way. If you don't take it literally then you don't have to believe that God gives a god damn if I blaspheme or not god damit ;)
ouTandAbOut231 2 years ago
As Ghandi puts it well, "There are just as many gods as there humans, but in essence there is only One God."
BTW, its a step to the direction to atleast mention that there is a Creator, call it God or Allah - it does not matter. There is enough evidence that "all this" cannot all be a chance. I for one am surprised why everyone is not an Athiest with all the wishywashy,but for me - Deism appears to be just a few steps away from Submission to God. Our age old question is to find our purpose(s).
thebigbigdaddy 2 years ago
I have too much respect for God than to be a Christian or a Muslim.
Think about it. You believe in a being powerful enough to get the ball rolling on this universe who's so insecure he needs validation from you. You believe you can make God angry by blasphemy and make God happy with rituals. You have power over God and all this universe is all about you. You believe in a little god, a petty god, as Dawkins has said.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago 2
Dawkins is an individual who is trying to put himself in God's shoes! He is painting his own God as we all are, just as at times we make our own "egos" as our god. A god could be anything or anyone including oneself. Believing in a Creator takes us beyond our own selves, and as per rituals are concerned, God is not hungry for any of this! Understanding that there is a Creator is just one step, but understanding that as humans we require GOD's assistance NOT the other way around! God Bless!
thebigbigdaddy 2 years ago
An atheist could easily make the argument that the men who penned the bilbe and edited which parts would be in there were doing much, much more than what you think Dawkins is doing. Which is why atheist, it seems, are preplexed by the accusation that atheist put themselfves" in God's shoes" as atheist can easily find that it's likely the Christians (for example) are worshipping the thoughts of other purely human people (Apostles etc) & one's intuition/thoughts/hopes (Holy Ghost) as God.
MinervaInTheBrain 2 years ago
@DeistPaladin to me. word god is just a nother word for tyran. and it semes that you too belive in god that has personality. that is person. or a mind. allso you have double standard. why whuld god hide from us? why whuld i have to exept your god expleantion to the universe any more then angels are expleantion to healing. sure we cant see the angels but that does not mean that they are not there. it migth be that they are just using natural forces. i like you and you are full of ideas.
gooddarkjedi 1 year ago
@DeistPaladin
Please do not call the people who follow the religion of man called 'Islam' today 'Muslims'. They are not Muslims, they are Islamists.
They do not follow the teachings in the Quran and they uphold the same superstitious beliefs as the People of the Book.
There is harmony in science, evidence-based research, logic, and reason within the Quran. Proof can be provided of my claims.
Bring your proof: Surah 2:111, 6:57, 8:42, 14:10, 21:24, 27:64, 28:75, 52:38
Peace.
Surah72 10 months ago
@thebigbigdaddy and meaby its that god is one in million.
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EnigmaCaptain23 2 years ago 2
@rockyfan21, your last statement: "Theists believe God can reveal himself to his creatures." God/creator could be revealed through reason and evidence. As for ET life? There is some evidence of this but the Q is why it is not clearly stated and explained through Biblical sources and Islamic sources. While Hinduism may explain this through symbolism but it believes in the reincarnation of the Creator just like the previous ancient pagan egyptians.
cris750 2 years ago
@rockyfan21, thanks for the clarification. No I'm not perfect and therefore I do not know all the answers. Accoding to your understanding I would be a "deist". According to my research and reading I would conclude that most religious books are actually natural books and not from divine sources.
cris750 2 years ago
@blattt188
That is the most illogical thing I've ever heard. You must be delusional. How about following that statement up with some facts. "God has to intervene because time is pre-planned"? That is tomfoolery on your part.
rockyfan21 2 years ago
@cris750
You think you have all the answers and yet you make a contradictory statement by saying you are a Deist/Theist. There is a distinguishable difference between the two: Deists (like myself) DO NOT believe in revelation and Theists do. You have to be one or the other. You can't be both. Deists believe in God based on the evidence of reason and nature only. Theists believe God can reveal himself to his creatures.
rockyfan21 2 years ago
God has to intervene because time is pre-planned.
blattt188 2 years ago
i like this
KillerBear111 2 years ago
I am a Deist/Theist and not an Atheist. I believe in a creator lust like the Masons belief in a Master Architect. I am not a Mason because of their use of pagan Egyptian ceremonies which were found by Napolean in Egypt.
cris750 2 years ago
Angels & Demons derive from the Pagan Egyptians. Moses derive his ideas from the Book of the Dead/Life and the revolutionary ideas of pharaoh Akhenaton. There is a spiritual and soulf force wtihin us. This is something the Pagan Egyptian also recongized. There are Bad & Good spirits this derives from the souls of the deceased. If you meditate and leave good energy then you leave a good spirit on earth. Bible & Quran are natural books and not divine.
cris750 2 years ago
Nothing personal, it's just that your claims for a Deist god are argument from ignorance.
watch?v=taJ25vzfxCg ("'The God Delusion Refuted' Refuted (1 of 2)" by shanedk)
watch?v=FmnafF-HDIo ("'The God Delusion Refuted' Refuted (2 of 2)" by shanedk)
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
(posted because they include stuff about the beginning of the universe; and because they're entertaining. XD)
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
LOL!
Jack Chickian view. lol
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
/watch?v=gmdNOC94USE ("Atheism and the Null Hypothesis" by shanedk)
For sake of input.
I'd advise those people going on about "You can't disprove god" read up on logic and logical fallacies.
They're the ones making the positive claim that "X exists" therefore the burden of proof is one them.
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
5:15 creation is a bad word to use, and approx 13.7billion years ago was a rapid expansion of matter and energy from a singularity.
5:21 evolution begins when you have a self replicating entity with inheritance and some mutation. chemistry can account for more or less all of that.
5:31 emergent property of a need to survive and reproduce.
Read 'The Blind Watchmaker' by Richard Dawkins, I also enjoyed 'The God Delusion'
rarrmonkey 2 years ago
more and more open-minded scientists believe that giants actually have lived on earth. scientist found a human bone that belong to a human that was 3meters and 61 cm of height....
Grizli031 2 years ago
You ou will find that most giants are hoaxes, and that most "evidence" for them is dubious and doubtfull in nature. We need cold hard facts, not hearsay.
Symbaoe 2 years ago 3
Thanks Symbaoe, I didn't know how to respond to his claim of "evidence of circa 10 foot tall people" outside of a facepalm.
I don't know if I mentioned this in the video but giants are impossible. The cube-squared rule means that human bone structure won't support them. Even real life abnormally tall people have spinal problems later in life, if not early on.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
Heh heh heh, don't worry about it. I too used to believe in Giants (not due to any religion), but now I have become somewhat skeptical, and rightly so.
Symbaoe 2 years ago
well there are 'giants' today with a genetic disorder which keeps them growing. It isn't because some angel fucked their mom and then they became a giant.
brutus4693 2 years ago
there is eveidens of red water the ten plages, thr giants bones and so on... and history wll repeate its self.. we just wont be here for it
joejoe4116 2 years ago
Just because the generation of life and evolution "seem" miraculous, doesn't mean that it is.
A miracle is "an event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin". But evolution is a well-documented natural process, and by definition, not a miracle. And while abiogenesis is still mostly unresolved, I see no reason to assume a supernatural origin.
Finally, why is "The Gift of Reason" not simply a product of naturalistic evolution?
hrd2imagin 2 years ago
Isn't the universe in itself miraculous? You don't have to believe in a God to see a miracle.
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." --A. Einstein
christoclaster 2 years ago 11
Everything in our universe is observable, testable, and subject to the scientific method. So by definition, no, the universe is not miraculous. Beautiful, mysterious and awe-inspiring, yes, but not miraculous.
Every event in our universe has a natural explanation, and none of them require the realm of the supernatural. Hence, no miracles.
I think you're stretching the definition of the word miracle.
hrd2imagin 2 years ago
Well if a genius such as Einstein made this declarative statement, and there truly only 2 ways,doesn't that mean that both options are right and neither wrong. Meaning, ppl shouldn't knock others for their beliefs- whatever they are.
Hotbttms 2 years ago
Einstein wasn't the first to make such a statement. Tom Paine said the same thing when he wrote "everything is a miracle and nothing is a miracle", summing up the deist's sense of awe about the universe.
In other words, the natural universe is enough. We don't need sticks turning to snakes or parting waters.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
I am absolutely fascinated by the universe- from the solar system to the central nervous system. I'm not quite sure if I'm a Deist, but I do know for the certain the Bible is a load of hooey. My God-given reasoning won't allow me to believe otherwise.
Hotbttms 2 years ago 3
From a deist perspective, why doesn't the null hypothesis apply to the creation of the universe? After all, there is no evidence to suggest a deity had any role.
I see no reason to make that leap of faith, and don't understand what causes a deist to do so.
hrd2imagin 2 years ago