The truth in The Golden Compass

[yamara34]

Pullman's portrayal of the Church is perfectly fair. They even say in the video that the Catholic church (although probably they're talking about the Anglican church; or maybe Christians in general, anyway...) has done "some nasty things," but that's not "my experience." Well, no. Christianity has changed considerably, and the average person's experience isn't like the Magisterium at all. Although, in the United States, it certainly seems like people wish it were.

[yamara34]

Granted, "God" is The Dust in the series. Although Pullman is an atheist, his characters are surrounded by "God," even though The Authority isn't it

[mrlittlemarvel]

You know I read the Golden Compass and saw the Papacy as the Magestrium . As a Lutheran we recognize the wrong practices of the people in the Church. But we have to remember these people are fallen to bring Christianity down you must take down its founder Jesus Christ and few have even tried. Without as Lewis said dropping to their knees and calling Him Lord. I loved the video it was fair balance and thought provoking. God bless.

[BillyIsATwat23]

Eating nachos (salted cardboard) covered in cheese (non-dairy gunk) in the cinema? I hate people who eat in the cinema. There I am trying to watch a movie and some selfish moron is sat there going munch munch munch. Wish I lived in Holland where you can buy a beer to drink in the theatre but they kick you out for eating.

[yamara34]

@BillyIsATwat23 Popcorn is the best food ever stfu

[chukmaty]

"That's not the God I believe in."

Yea, took the words out of my mouth. I enjoyed Golden Compass but thought it was a cheap shot at the knees towards Christians. I still need to read the last two books.

[xoxoLYRAxoxoxPANxoxo]

gayyy!!! leave it alone, if its a good book read it, if its a good movie watch it. Gosh people GET OVER IT. ITS A GOOD BOOK AND MOVIE OKAY?

[yamara34]

@xoxoLYRAxoxoxPANxoxo Well I'd say it's a good book series b/c it rewrites the Adam and Eve story. The search for truth is THE EATING OF THE APPLE! The Dust is God. Don't chop kids in half from their daemons. The end.

[scionlightning]

Okay, A-THEISM is not a denouncing of God, it is an understanding that you cannot prove God so it's unimportant.

[carm3d]

I thought that was agnostic.

[scionlightning]

Agnostic is not knowing whether there is a god or not. As I said, it's unpimportant to say 'there's a god' because it's outside of all human understanding.

[6kylee9]

so is culturewatch a christian thing? this isn't the first time i've heard those two talk about christianity. it kinda bugged me how halfway through the discussion all they talked about was how the writer was wrong about truth and how he was "inconsistant" with his views. didn't they say truth was relative? wouldn't that make them "inconsistant"?

[Ravenlessblood]

No, they defined what "relative truth" meant, they weren't holding that out as a posit.

[imagineanewworld]

The video states that the church is concerned about truth. How can a religion that claims to know all truth be concerned about truth - the search for truth has to be done with an open mind otherwise what happens when you find something that contradicts the 'truth' you began with?

[Culturewatch]

Don't think you are correct that Christianity is "a religion that claims to know all truth". Certainly Christians claim to "know" (in the sense of a personal relationship) the source of all truth who is God. But that doesn't mean that we "know" (in the sense of holding in its entirety) all truth. In fact, we recognise that there is much we don't know - but we do know who knows it (that is God and not us).

[imagineanewworld]

But if you claim to know the source of all truth and claim that a book he wrote is completely true then how are you not claiming you know all truth? That doesn't mean you personally know it all but your religion claims to.

[andiibowsher]

To say that knowing the source of all truth amounts to knowing all truth doesn't necessarily follow. Knowing the person who knows all there is to know about Noddy doesn't amount to knowing all there is to know about Noddy. First we would have to be able to access the knowledge, w. may have to develop a 'conceptual toolbox' to be able to make sense of and use such knowledge, and it would also depend on the willingness of the 'Oracle' reveal what she knew.

[andiibowsher]

In addition, we would still have to apprehend what the 'Oracle' passed on, assimilate it and be able to apply it. To do that we would have to be able to question our a priori assumptions and reintegrate what was left of them. We have to construct knowledge for ourselves, programme our own brains and minds, if you like. So even if we *think* our system may be all-knowing, we can't be and we need to go forward with that in mind; recognising the dangers in history of less modest approaches.

[ujamaflip]

Not really.For one thing, you have to have to think that it is true, that it is worth thinking about what is true. You can't be open minded about that, or its just an exercise in making yourself feel better, with no interest in reality.

"An open mind is really a mark of foolishness, like an open mouth. Mouths and minds were made to shut; they were made to open only in order to shut."

"The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid."

GK Chesterton

[Goatmon]

That is fantastic. I'm going to be using that quote in the future. :3

[nicthevic1]

Thought provoking

[Culturewatch]

Thankyou.

Happy to receive any comments here. This has been a controversial film.