rly the problem on claymore is. its heavy ... its fuckin heavy .... it must be heavy and u need the will to break and slash ur enemy down with 1 or 2 swings. ur not using the range of the 2 hand wield sword u use his mass
@ThisIsJefficus, oh hush! I'm sure they watch plenty of anime, Jet Li movies, they probably watched Fearless a bunch of times over and Zorro, and the Last Sumarai, etc as we all know watching=learning.
@StopFlaggingVideos its educational, not educative. also that doesn't look overly demanding to me... using plastic swords moving at the speed of a turtle, hardly demanding
@tastyhorses not a great sword but a bastard sword))) neither two hended nor one handed))) in cavalry mode and on foot IN ranks with sheild but when chaos begins you can grab it with two hands. Those swords are not meant to be stoped but move fluently and countiniusly using the advantege of reach and weight. When it starts swinging katana has no chance at all.
@Geroskop But the katana has superior speed and mobility, so it would be almost impossible to see which is stronger, without we bring back the arena and have them fight to the death
@DRudster1406 all western europian and nordic swords have some intriqiuning feature -- at the end of handle you have a balast (portion of weight to bring the center of mass closer to handle) and katana doesnt have that... thats why its not swinging weapon but cutting and hacking weapon (you can see when some masters of kendo practicing). No matter the stranght of mettal if you make it razor sharp it eventualy will be blant after just a few blocks with cutting side.
@DRudster1406 thats why eouropians use the power of swing and coutinius fluid action to accumulate kinetik energy and then transfer it with sharp side, if done like this sword probably dont have to be a razor sharp 8) other thing is that when knight or english yeoman fight with armored opponent they used cleavers or hammers to make multiple bleeding wounds or knock uncouncios the enemy. Sword is nor for armor but for flesh and light armour, thats the secret))))
they are just having fun so stop dissing and knights where caring heavy armor and was not as agile as the samurai and the katana but instead there sword's and armor where heavier so there both equals on different kind's of way's :)
@thesnakeeye But one of the most important things is, the Katana would have a very difficult time cutting through Steel plate armour, or chain mail. It would severely dent it, and may break the wearers ribs, but that would not be fatal :) (in most cases)
@valtonwilson RSW are fake but designed to match weight and handling ability of real weapons. Just cause it's padded doesn't mean you can't seriously injure someone if you don't know what your doing
@EishinRyuKeeney i have had tres fall on me and i dident get hirt, grow some balls, quit playen with plastic swords and play with maces or wooden swords. that'll put some hair on your balls little kid............wait that sounded weird
@valtonwilson lol yea probably was a baby sapling that fell on you bitch. Lol I use real weapons for practice so know who your talking to before saying such immature stupid things. You would prob pee yourself when a real sword comes at your face.
@valtonwilson Lol yea a sword that can be draw and cut someone in half in less then a second is a real pussy weapon. Wow your f-ing dumb it's one of the strongest weapons made o yea you wouldn't know that cause all you do is surf youtube and talk shit about things you don't know just like all the children your age
@EishinRyuKeeney i am not a kid(21) 225lb 6'3''and i would crush you with a stone. no asian sword would stop me, chain mail would be my only armer. how could you stop me with a knife.
@valtonwilson LOL love you used the stone things twice. And what does age have to do with it?? have you never met an "adult" that acted like a child o what were one of them so you wouldn't be able to tell HA. Talking shit when someone was just stating facts is a childish thing to do. Love that you think small metal rings can protect you lol may stop the cut but not the impact. WOW ur not the brightest bulb are you
@zjork funny. i didnt know having such a healthy interest like older time sword fighting (historically educative and physically demanding) meant they'd be virgins. if anything, they're probably better at living than your ass is
That "samurai" has some decent moves, I think he would win, (not because of "katana is better" statement)... if that "knight" wouldn't wear armor, that is.
@Chronische Indeed it should. However, as I saw, that "samurai" wasn't hard-blocking claymore with katana's tsuba. Instead he used claymore's weight by bending "knight's" strike trajectories following with light but fast cuts in the openings. 0:16 - example.
And yes, I do think that if "knight" had full armor, this battle would be totally one-sided. ("knight" would win obviously)
@Yapo1987 i dont know much about swordplay but im fairly certain a katana isnt designed to block directly anyways, from what i know they allways try to dodge rather than block directly. i could be misinformed though and im not sure how much impact that detail would have to who would win anyways :P
@otakuofanime , rapier wasn't designed to block blows at all, no matter direct or indirect. However, I'm certain that you can bend foe's strike trajectory with it, even against heavy swords - I've seen it in many other vids. And rapier is in fact much thinner and delicate then katana, which means that last one gives this possibility too.
@Quillons1 I'm dead serious. Those vids weren't from youtube but from two of my friends - historical fencing zealots with more then 10 years experience both, so i do trust them. They weren't using katanas at all but something tells me that katana isn't more fragile then a rapier.
@otakuofanime now sword is designed to block directly that's what shields are for silly=P but you if you choose to block with a blade use the side not the edge!
@vampire847 yea blocking with the side is fine with a fake katana but a real one would can shatter on a hard side impact because all the molecules are facing toward the blade edge from the folding and hammering of the metal so many times.
@blkjock1 r u fukkin kidding me!! first off claymore is just a rippoff samschoice of berserk, second u cant treat a real claymore like that it will chip warp or break.
@madbuzz90 the Gallowglass were no more significantly descended from Ireland than the rest of the Scottish population by that time. The Gallowglass were recruited from the highlands TO Ireland. Although they did have Viking ancestry which was more unique to them.
The word claymore is the anglicized version of the Gaelic words 'cliabh mor' (pronounced klee-iv more). 'Cliabh' means sword, 'mor' means big. These swords were carried by the Gallowglass warrior elite, Scots of Irish descent but also having Nordic blood. A very tough bunch.
@madbuzz90 they also used a blade called a halflang..a sort of hand and a half style blade. however it may have been used more for 2 handed purposes..im getting a blade like this custom made...these blades came before the traditional claymore we know...so im adding a few inches to my hilt and my blade for a couple reasons..im a bigger guy and im used to that size blade.. blades were made for the user as much as they were made for design etc.
@madbuzz90 btw gallowglass is gaelic for galloglaigh...meaning foreign young warrior..they were either irish or scottish gaels from the highlands and isles..the scots however were called redshanks because for most of the year they didnt wear leg coverings..the scots also preferred the claymore over the tuagh or sparth axe. and with each gaelic subculture came different customs and differences in arms. ie. compare the irish ring sword to a claymore.
@madbuzz90 none of my clan were galloglass but the arms and armor used by them are also very general...maille over padding and a tunic with weapons(irish or scottish) with a helm and perhaps a secondary weapon like a sgian. its not until you go into the lowlands and borders that u see a change.
@boxofbadbears Are you being serious? I'll grant, solid wood is the more traditional stance for training, but sparring with live blades is the epitome of idiocy.
@ashesinthewax sparring with bare blades isnt idiocy..you need to learn your blade..practice blades dont have the ability to mimic the steel blade..with the right padding and the right blade, live steel fencing is recommended..and this is coming from someone experienced in that
@mouthforwar17 So you are experienced in fencing with razor-sharp katana and chisel-sharp claymores? Forgive me for disparity between terminology used within schools, but there is a difference between practice blades (defined to me as steel with dull, rounded, or blunt edges) and live blades (a blade that is sharp enough to kill). If it is commonplace in your place of practice to spar with live blades in public, I trust you and your partners have more experience than these two.
@ashesinthewax no where did i say that i used blades with sharp edges...by live steel i mean steel sparring and fighting..all of my practice blades are blunted for practice and re-enactment...sparring with steel surpasses any form of sparring in my opinion..to use your blade well enough you need to know how to use it in combat..therefore practice blades in my opinion arent necessary
dude your using the claymore all wrong fake or not go faster and stay far away oh and for cool peeps there is a show called claymore rated ma but its good some cussing nudity not alot and a tad scary but the show is cool
@TheBloodyBlackJackal are you talking about the show claymore if yes i know the show claymore rocks and claymores should be used like well how they use it in the show
Lol a full powered swing of a massive sword would chop through the puny samurai. Samurai were not ninja. They won't dodge a swing if they are running forward
the japanese katana is highly overrated due to the legend and lore from hollywood....there is no way in hell that a samurai could defeat a well trained european knight with a sword an shield
@DaveTheSamurai The Mongols also had most of their fleet wiped out by a hurricane before they ever reached Japan's shores. The Japanese beat a demoralized, home-sick enemy that just happened to have shields; so what? A properly used shield because a near impenetrable barrier against a katana or, really, any single edged sword (anything with a short false edge doesn't count). To my knowledge, the various kenjutsu styles have no techniques for hooking or wrapping around a shield because they never
@DaveTheSamurai Had to face them. European swords, however, which are double edged, had a wrap around technique specifically meant for combating shields where the momentum of the sword itself twisted your wrist in a manner that wraps it around the target; it can also be used to get around guards and can be used with a two-handed sword. Also, let's not forget the reach: average katana = 40" oal, 28" blade. Average Euro longsword = 46" oal, 35" blade. That's a full 7" reach advantage, blade wise.
@DaveTheSamurai Except you wouldn't be. An odachi generally has a POB of 12", making it a very heavy SOB with a slow recovery; the kanabo, which can weigh up to twice as much as an odachi (around 11lbs for the kanabo) is even worse. Meanwhile, even a massive XVIIIe greatsword with a 42" blade can have a 4" POB when made properly; it can also weigh a full pound lighter than an odachi. The greatsword is lighter, faster, and easier to recover than the odachi and has the speed of a lightsaber when
@DaveTheSamurai Compared to a kanabo. Finally, there's a vast difference in armor. European armor was so advanced and offered so much protection that Japanese daimyo wanted them; European plate made the wearer almost completely invulnerable to swords while sacrificing none of their mobility. Then there's the yoroi (approximately 16th century like the XVIIIe): overlapping iron plates strapped together with silk cord. Chainmail is harder to pierce with a diamond shaped blade.
Sure soldiers of the old fighted with real weapons. But they also trained with weapon simulators. Like the wooden rudis for the romans. Wooden wasters of the medieval period. Federschwerts and dussacks are also common training weapons. To train with real weapons are stupid because if you do something right you will injure or kill your training partner.
when facing a person with a claymore and you have a katana, remember the key word in order to win, DODGE!!!!! then slash or stab since the claymore is a heavy weapon and will regain balance slowly
Really bad form of fighting. Those who say the Japanese sword is better clearly don't know what they are talking about, lots of anime and Japanlovers here. The steel from Europe was much better than the one from Japan. Also, the Katana is not that sharp, it was created first and foremost for cutting down peasants. A Samurai against Knight would not survive because the Katana is meant for slashing, not piercing. Something Euro swords can both do.
@DarkStormErx Samurai had spears too you know. And I dare you to try and get up in a huge ass full plated armor. Also, i think claymores are used by infantry, and that knights used longswords, I may be wrong though, but a well trained spearman(which samurai were) can poke a horse to death, leaving the knight down trying to get up while slashig other stuff with the said katana.
@Tale2261 Samurais wouldn't do anything. People get up easily with full armor, that myth has already been tested. No, you are wrong in that part. Even if you take down a Knights horse he would get up in seconds in fact. The samurai wouldn't cut anyone with a Katana, especially mail, Katanas are for slashing and you can't slash mail, especially with inferior steel. Therefore rendering it useless.
@DarkStormErx Yeah I had forgotten about mail, it's true that unless the samurai gets a clear hit at the face he is screwed. And yes, swords go schling! XD
@Tale2261 Neither longswords nor Katanas can cut thorugh mail. Or it's very hard to do. The LS, depending on type can thrust into it though or smash at it with pommel and hilt.
@Giagantus Yeah, that's why I said that. A good claymore or longsword hit could still break an arm or the legs even through mail. While the katana would have a bit of trouble.
@DarkStormErx I lack coherence :) But even though i'd root for the bushi for a 1 on 1, I don't think a feudal japan army could stand against an english longbowmen-spearmen tactic.
@Tale2261 Nor their Swordsfighter, even yet Hoplites, Spartans, Vikings, Hashashins, Knights and so on. Don't let people who know nothing about history tell you otherwise. Idiots still believe when you draw a sword it makes the Ring Steel sound.
The katana is quick but speed means nothing when you can get within 6 feet of a warrior. The claymore is almost un-bloackable and requires a truly superior warrior to kill it's wielder.
@Liddlelegrande Also it's very heavy and a person most likely isn't Cloud Strife and can swing around a heavy claymore with ease, the katana wielder has the advantage of speed that they can use once an opening is given. Not saying katana is better, just battle strategy can tilt more so in its favor.
@HairofSteel555 Both the original maters knew what they wanted with the swords. These are both incredible swords and were devastating on the battle field.
I think the claymore is superior to the Katana because of the power that is put behind it. The claymore is an enormous sword that usually required an enormous amount of power generated by a fairly large bloke. The Claymore also has a long reach to it the lowland claymore stood nearly six feet while a long katana is a little over 1 meter. If you held a shield to block a claymore your arm more often or not would be broken if not shattered.
@Liddlelegrande Actually, a claymore isn't that heavy if it's made properly. Properly made claymore weight: 3lbs 11.5oz; properly made katana weight: 2lbs 11oz. Then there's the reach; a claymore's blade can be anywhere from 9-14" longer than a katana's. It also has two edges to the katana's one. Also, the idea of a shield isn't to block the blow outright, if possible, but to catch it and redirect it. However, if you did take it full on, your arm would likely be in splinters.
@ChishioAme "Then there's the reach; a claymore's blade can be anywhere from 9-14" longer than a katana's" I never get why people rave about reach. There are quite a few strikes in kenjiutsu and probably just about any other sword art, in which you can close distance fast, like an extra 3 feet in 1 swing. Plus you only need to deflect the blow once and your past the tip
@ChishioAme "Also, the idea of a shield isn't to block the blow outright, if possible, but to catch it and redirect it." Nada, shields are dome shaped; the power is broken easily; any standard shield can take a hit from a club let alone the claymore which has a heavy handle and counterweight (which decreases swing power).
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Deflect it once and you're past the tip? No offense, but are you an idiot? In the German longsword, which can (and is) be applied to all weapons in the German tradition, including great swords (of which the claymore qualifies), there are dozens of techniques that quickly redirect the blade in the event that the tip gets pushed off line before an opponent with a similarly sized longsword can close the distance; now subtract the good foot or so of length from that longsword..
@ChishioAme "In the German longsword, which can (and is) be applied to all weapons in the German tradition, including great swords (of which the claymore qualifies)," Yes, I am sure there is; however, the simple fact that you have to do said technique puts you at a disadvantage. Fail the technique (during the stresses of a fight) your dead... Succede and the fight continues. PS: can you show me a link??? I know it exists, I would just like to see the general manouver your refering too.
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Holy shit, youtube's making this thread hard to follow; it keeps tossing the replies around. Anyways, here's an example of the technique I'm referring to being done with full speed and power (used by the fencer in blue); it goes from the 0:46-0:50 mark: /watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc The fencer in black attempts to deflect blue's point away and get inside his guard, but blue uses the technique I'm referring to and strikes black in the head. Very nasty.
@TheBloodyBlackJackal And remove an edge and you get a katana. Can you still say reach is unimportant? As for shields being dome shaped, I'm sorry to say, but you are woefully ignorant in this respect. Viking round shields, Scottish targes, kite shields, and even many bucklers were flat (with a central boss or spike in the targes' case) or, in the instance of bucklers, a very unusual shape. Some shields WERE domed, but not many. Where are you getting your info? Deadliest Warrior? A wooden shield
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Would be able to stand up to the blow of a claymore (which is less about brute strength than it is finesse, as you seem to think), true, but a metal one would crumple from a solid blow as, to be light enough, a metal shield is often a few millimeters thick. Even then, it's often weighty. Further, if you were to take the blow from a sword straight on, the blunt force trauma that it produces would likely shatter your arm or, in the case of a buckler or viking round shield,
@ChishioAme Actually the aspus shield is 15 pound bronze shield with a wooden coating to trap weapons. Thats metal... ANyways as for the buckler, yes that would have trouble against heavy attacks. The sizable viking round shield; however, would take it fine. The center piece is metal and protects the hand, the shield itself (due to not being strapped to the arm); moves when striking it. Your strike will lose power because the shield would move... Look up Thrand's viking vs samurai...
@TheBloodyBlackJackal I actually wasn't referring to the aspus; I was thinking more an early medieval shield of a similar size to the viking round shield, which is more around 5-8lbs of plywood, with or without a central boss. I've seen Thrand's videos and, yes, he is pretty biased. Especially when he talks about the swords he uses, which look to be cheapo wallhangers that I'd be afraid to hit anything with. He does make some good points for WMA, though, which is ok in my book, as a WMA student.
@ChishioAme "which is less about brute strength than it is finesse, as you seem to think", no I don't seem to think. Infact thats what annoys me about so many claymore enthusiasts, they talk about how powerfull the swing is, when the swing is pretty much the same as another sword ( a bit more leverage ). Its more about distance and thrusting then power. Which is why getting past the tip is bad; and there are techniques for just about anything, doesn't make it easy to pull off.
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Which are not strapped to the arm like a targe or kite shield; they would be knocked completely out of your hand, which would in all likelihood be completely numb, if it were even still whole. So no, a shield may be able to take a blow head on, but YOU can't. Therefore, you deflect it or stifle it. And, as a student of both the German longsword and sword & buckler, I think I know what I'm talking about here. Now, one last little tidbit I saved from earlier...
@ChishioAme hes a biased asshole, that doesn't know how samurai fight, or purposefully leaves out techniquesto make the viking superior; however in the end he does have some good points. For example; he explains how the shield (which is held at the end) swings back and forth, so if you strike the shield, the shield would rearange itself to absorb the impact.
@ChishioAme Hey btw, did you actually see the full video here??? At the end they swap weapons; the guy who originaly had the claymore now has the katana; and guess what he still winning...
@TheBloodyBlackJackal I didn't, to be honest, because I get so aggravated seeing people play at sparring where they give a halfhearted swing, strike the hand, and go "Oh! I got him! We're starting over now!" I quit watching after a couple minutes. As to the switching weapons, it's just proof, to me (not that I needed any), that it's the skill of the swordsman, not the weapon.
@ChishioAme "it's just proof, to me (not that I needed any), that it's the skill of the swordsman, not the weapon." Which means that you must agree; reach is not as important as people make it out to be. Once they swapped weapons and the original claymore guy got the katana; he proceeded in pwning the other guy, despite the distance. Which proves skill> distance... Anyways; I agree, they stop too many times for blows that would barely cut clothing let alone kill someone...
@TheBloodyBlackJackal I agree, but I don't agree. Does that make sense? I once sparred in a similar situation, oh, 6-7 years ago, where my opponent had a vast reach advantage over me (I'd say about 8", which is a little less than the 10" of the claymore vs katana in the video). We both had about equal skill, but I repeatedly got beat because of that gap. Then again, it could have just been something subconscious from taking one too many cracks on the noggin from him prior to that. xD
@ChishioAme I think you just wern't used to the distance gap. You have to prepare for all occasions; not just a few. If you have never faught someone with a longer weapon, then of course youl get beat the first time you do. However once your used to fighting a good amount of people with longer distance, youl eventually learn how to get pased the point. As for the video you showed me, the guy who won at 47, was the guy who got past the point which is what I was saying. Deflect the blade
@ChishioAme once your past the point you go in for the kill. In that instance they both tried to get past eachothers' points and thus only one succeded. its a bit confusing looking, but you would see that the guys body was well past the point of his opponents.
@TheBloodyBlackJackal One thing I've always done is have a very realistic sparring rule set: if it hits a leg or arm hard enough, you lose that limb, but you continue the bout (since yes, you could continue fighting while missing an arm or leg); you only reset for a kill. Very simple and generally resulted in longer bouts... And an interesting collection of bruises thanks to that teenage mentality of "I'm invincible" (thankfully, I'm past that now).
@ChishioAme Its hard to say whether what your describing is realistic or not, as it could go either way. You could collapse in pain or adrenaline could cause you to perhaps not even realize your arm is sliced open...
@ChishioAme The japanese didn't really loke the whole sword binding style though, they trained more in deflecting/ skipping the opponents blade and going streight for the body. Hard to say which is better, though I myself, would be too paranoid to scratch my sword getting all tangled like that...
@TheBloodyBlackJackal The Japanese did actually have a style utilizing a type of bind, but for the life of me, I can't actually determine what era it came from; I believe it was probably from before the Warring States period, given the armor I saw the men demonstrating it wearing. But, for the most part, they preferred a less blade contact oriented style, which I think is due to the poor availability (and general poor quality) of steel in Japan; it be relatively fragile, so the fewer chances of
@ChishioAme "which I think is due to the poor availability (and general poor quality) of steel in Japan; it be relatively fragile" see when people start talking about the poor metal quality of japan, they don't usually seem to understand metal working. Its poor quality because its impure, the impurities are whats worked out during the big long ritual of japanese sword craft. In the end the quality is the same. The thing is however, katanas are made with more hard metal on the edge then soft.
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Chances of ruining it, the better. Whereas, while expensive as all hell, steel was more prolific in Europe, the quality was better, the forging techniques were better, so while a nobleman damaging his sword beyond repair would be devastating, it wouldn't be the end of the world (unless of course he died because of it, then he'd be beyond caring about it). But, since they tried to parry with the flat as much as possible, less damage would be done to the fragile edge.
@ChishioAme Background on the difference between hard and soft, hard metal maintains its shape, but can snap. Soft is maleable, it can flex, and it can be cut into; however it will not snap and break. Katanas have soft on the inside hard on the outside, they don't like banging the swords togather because chiping is much easier. However longswords banging to gather will simply dull it.
@ChishioAme Sorry, the european forging techniques were by no definition better. In fact they were much much much, more simple. The thing is, they didn't need the complex crafting because they didn't need to work out as much impurities. There is no such thing as "bad" metal, just pure and impure.
@ChishioAme And actually impure has its uses, as impure means softer. You need softer in a sword else you risk snapping it. Longswords have much flex, and much softer metal, so that they can use binding techniques, and even bang it against armor without risk of chipping, only dulling. Which is why I think binding between a longsword and katana might be worse for the longsword, the harder edge of the katana can cut into the longsword.
@ChishioAme as for the hand strikes though; you don't really need a powerfull swing to slice off a finger, or cause enough pain to disarm the persons weapon... Allthough, actually weapon does decide a lot in many ways. For one, your weapon is the extension of your body; if you don't like the weapon your using youl get yourself killed. For two, certain weapons are great at countering other specific weapons, a staff user will do quite well against a 2 handed sword user. A shield and sword user
@ChishioAme would do quite well against a spear user; and so on from there... "I actually wasn't referring to the aspus; I was thinking more an early medieval shield of a similar size to the viking round shield" I know, I was just pointing out the aspus to counter your; "metal shields don't block as well as wood". Anyways so yea, despite thrand being a biased fucker; you can still get a good idea of how well non-strapped shields absorb impact... Countering your earlyer idea of breaking someones
come on dude! Wield that katana! He's trying to kill you!
cojo1801 4 days ago
lol they should learn a real art of fighting before they pick up fake swords
gill0nicholas 5 days ago
@gill0nicholas It's called having fun.
InsanePickle007 2 days ago
rly the problem on claymore is. its heavy ... its fuckin heavy .... it must be heavy and u need the will to break and slash ur enemy down with 1 or 2 swings. ur not using the range of the 2 hand wield sword u use his mass
atzebww 5 days ago
yeeaah both clearly untrained
ThisIsJefficus 1 week ago
@ThisIsJefficus, oh hush! I'm sure they watch plenty of anime, Jet Li movies, they probably watched Fearless a bunch of times over and Zorro, and the Last Sumarai, etc as we all know watching=learning.
TheBoxingCannabyte 1 week ago
@StopFlaggingVideos its educational, not educative. also that doesn't look overly demanding to me... using plastic swords moving at the speed of a turtle, hardly demanding
oopsifailed 1 week ago
Did anyone else notice they are wearing helmets with toy swords? Seriously.... helmets and toy swords..... pathetic. -___-
AngryGunslinger 1 week ago
you guys suck. learn what your doing before you post videos on youtube.
onward14458 1 week ago
This is ridiculous...
strangemarley 1 week ago
no tienen ni idea -.-
TheSaizo 1 week ago
dam they slow
kevinstormcloud 2 weeks ago
lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt lightning bolt
fatfolk225 2 weeks ago
I'm pretty sure they get laid
Mannydamon 2 weeks ago
These dudes know how to have some fun.
Keep at it, bros.
OverlordTingles 3 weeks ago
Someone needs to do some homework. That isn't a claymore. It is a hand-and-a-half great sword.
tastyhorses 3 weeks ago
@tastyhorses not a great sword but a bastard sword))) neither two hended nor one handed))) in cavalry mode and on foot IN ranks with sheild but when chaos begins you can grab it with two hands. Those swords are not meant to be stoped but move fluently and countiniusly using the advantege of reach and weight. When it starts swinging katana has no chance at all.
Geroskop 2 weeks ago
@Geroskop But the katana has superior speed and mobility, so it would be almost impossible to see which is stronger, without we bring back the arena and have them fight to the death
DRudster1406 2 weeks ago
@DRudster1406 all western europian and nordic swords have some intriqiuning feature -- at the end of handle you have a balast (portion of weight to bring the center of mass closer to handle) and katana doesnt have that... thats why its not swinging weapon but cutting and hacking weapon (you can see when some masters of kendo practicing). No matter the stranght of mettal if you make it razor sharp it eventualy will be blant after just a few blocks with cutting side.
Geroskop 2 weeks ago
@DRudster1406 thats why eouropians use the power of swing and coutinius fluid action to accumulate kinetik energy and then transfer it with sharp side, if done like this sword probably dont have to be a razor sharp 8) other thing is that when knight or english yeoman fight with armored opponent they used cleavers or hammers to make multiple bleeding wounds or knock uncouncios the enemy. Sword is nor for armor but for flesh and light armour, thats the secret))))
Geroskop 2 weeks ago
@DRudster1406 ... We should, like, totally do that.
Mandrakil 1 week ago
They kinda look the same. Foam pool toys. Get you a lot of girls? BWahahaha - I crack myself up.
cptexas1 3 weeks ago
@333eebutuoy Sounds good to me honey... Im sure we could have more fun than these guys in the park, saying that reminds me of a time when...
koboldking 3 weeks ago
they are just having fun so stop dissing and knights where caring heavy armor and was not as agile as the samurai and the katana but instead there sword's and armor where heavier so there both equals on different kind's of way's :)
thesnakeeye 3 weeks ago
@thesnakeeye But one of the most important things is, the Katana would have a very difficult time cutting through Steel plate armour, or chain mail. It would severely dent it, and may break the wearers ribs, but that would not be fatal :) (in most cases)
TheMoistCamel 3 weeks ago
These guys... I want to be them... I'd have so much fun my brain will shoot out of my fucking eyes!
koboldking 3 weeks ago
@koboldking if you do become these guys (especially the one in the motorbike helmet) we should totally hook up...
333eebutuoy 3 weeks ago
actually this looks fun to do. i turnd 21 today and if i can get my buddy's to do this i will be out every day in the park ^^
CannabisDelux 3 weeks ago
katana's are too light, no strangth requierd
valtonwilson 4 weeks ago
Why am I watching two faggots play with toys?
HermodsRide2Hel 1 month ago
katana has no to little training. everything is not correct.
uvaltito 1 month ago
why do I waste my time
itlivesin 1 month ago
I'm pretty sure I know more about fighting with swords simply from watching you fail as epic as you did. Take some lessons
bositich96 1 month ago
why are they weiring armer?, those swords are fake
valtonwilson 1 month ago
@valtonwilson RSW are fake but designed to match weight and handling ability of real weapons. Just cause it's padded doesn't mean you can't seriously injure someone if you don't know what your doing
EishinRyuKeeney 1 month ago
@EishinRyuKeeney i have had tres fall on me and i dident get hirt, grow some balls, quit playen with plastic swords and play with maces or wooden swords. that'll put some hair on your balls little kid............wait that sounded weird
valtonwilson 1 month ago
@valtonwilson lol yea probably was a baby sapling that fell on you bitch. Lol I use real weapons for practice so know who your talking to before saying such immature stupid things. You would prob pee yourself when a real sword comes at your face.
EishinRyuKeeney 4 weeks ago
@EishinRyuKeeney i would cursh your ribcage with a stone little shit.
valtonwilson 4 weeks ago
@valtonwilson LOL glad you have an imagination kid
EishinRyuKeeney 4 weeks ago
@EishinRyuKeeney face book me if you like
valtonwilson 4 weeks ago
@EishinRyuKeeney p.s. katanas are pussy toys.
valtonwilson 1 month ago
@valtonwilson Lol yea a sword that can be draw and cut someone in half in less then a second is a real pussy weapon. Wow your f-ing dumb it's one of the strongest weapons made o yea you wouldn't know that cause all you do is surf youtube and talk shit about things you don't know just like all the children your age
EishinRyuKeeney 4 weeks ago
@EishinRyuKeeney i am not a kid(21) 225lb 6'3''and i would crush you with a stone. no asian sword would stop me, chain mail would be my only armer. how could you stop me with a knife.
valtonwilson 4 weeks ago
@valtonwilson LOL love you used the stone things twice. And what does age have to do with it?? have you never met an "adult" that acted like a child o what were one of them so you wouldn't be able to tell HA. Talking shit when someone was just stating facts is a childish thing to do. Love that you think small metal rings can protect you lol may stop the cut but not the impact. WOW ur not the brightest bulb are you
EishinRyuKeeney 4 weeks ago
If anyone could move a claymore as easily as that for so long - I would be shocked.
Alerialope 1 month ago
this is what the clash of virginety looks like :D
zjork 1 month ago 27
@zjork 100% your also a virgin kid..
LeBlancLoL 1 month ago 23
@LeBlancLoL am i now :P oh well think what you want :)
zjork 3 weeks ago
@zjork I bet it looks the same when your sitting on your couch playing video games HA!, atleast they are active which most people aren't
EishinRyuKeeney 1 month ago
@zjork funny. i didnt know having such a healthy interest like older time sword fighting (historically educative and physically demanding) meant they'd be virgins. if anything, they're probably better at living than your ass is
StopFlaggingVideos 1 week ago
@zjork How many women do you get, Swagmaster 2000?
InsanePickle007 2 days ago
Katana sparring is pointless without footwork and kikentai. But you seem like having fun, so do what you digg and screw the rest.
PRJohnnyT 1 month ago
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slayfreakx1154 1 month ago
hey fucking gay go get a fucking girl
jose36060 1 month ago
They both suck. The End.
LorenStevens 1 month ago
That "samurai" has some decent moves, I think he would win, (not because of "katana is better" statement)... if that "knight" wouldn't wear armor, that is.
Yapo1987 1 month ago
@Yapo1987 The claymore's length and weight should have been able to smash through the katana's guard I would think.
Chronische 1 month ago
@Chronische Indeed it should. However, as I saw, that "samurai" wasn't hard-blocking claymore with katana's tsuba. Instead he used claymore's weight by bending "knight's" strike trajectories following with light but fast cuts in the openings. 0:16 - example.
And yes, I do think that if "knight" had full armor, this battle would be totally one-sided. ("knight" would win obviously)
Yapo1987 1 month ago
@Yapo1987 i dont know much about swordplay but im fairly certain a katana isnt designed to block directly anyways, from what i know they allways try to dodge rather than block directly. i could be misinformed though and im not sure how much impact that detail would have to who would win anyways :P
otakuofanime 1 month ago
@otakuofanime , rapier wasn't designed to block blows at all, no matter direct or indirect. However, I'm certain that you can bend foe's strike trajectory with it, even against heavy swords - I've seen it in many other vids. And rapier is in fact much thinner and delicate then katana, which means that last one gives this possibility too.
Yapo1987 1 month ago
@Yapo1987 Are you serious? Maybe you should study period rapier instead of getting all of your info from YouTube...
Quillons1 1 month ago
@Quillons1 I'm dead serious. Those vids weren't from youtube but from two of my friends - historical fencing zealots with more then 10 years experience both, so i do trust them. They weren't using katanas at all but something tells me that katana isn't more fragile then a rapier.
Yapo1987 1 month ago
@otakuofanime now sword is designed to block directly that's what shields are for silly=P but you if you choose to block with a blade use the side not the edge!
vampire847 1 month ago 2
@vampire847 katanas were never used with shields to my knowledge.
otakuofanime 1 month ago
@otakuofanime never said they wear...=P
vampire847 1 month ago
@vampire847 yea blocking with the side is fine with a fake katana but a real one would can shatter on a hard side impact because all the molecules are facing toward the blade edge from the folding and hammering of the metal so many times.
EishinRyuKeeney 1 month ago
This is retarded. A real claymore would cleave a Katana in two without an issue. Yes I own both.
Pubturtle 1 month ago
wtf seriously thats not the right size of a katana so its unfair for the claymore guy
BugsB33zy 2 months ago
@BugsB33zy yeah well the claymore would be heavy as fuck, so unfair.
daspense 1 month ago
@blkjock1 r u fukkin kidding me!! first off claymore is just a rippoff samschoice of berserk, second u cant treat a real claymore like that it will chip warp or break.
MrJhaggerty1992 2 months ago
I don't think your foam swords will give us a historically accurate perspective. Go back to your LARPing club.
Irmasterlol 2 months ago
This video sucks.
heroxlegacy 2 months ago
they don't look very sharp
Tabix09 2 months ago
Guy with katana was way too passive.
dunannick 2 months ago 2
@madbuzz90 the Gallowglass were no more significantly descended from Ireland than the rest of the Scottish population by that time. The Gallowglass were recruited from the highlands TO Ireland. Although they did have Viking ancestry which was more unique to them.
A tough bunch either way to be sure!
ibuchanan82 2 months ago
The word claymore is the anglicized version of the Gaelic words 'cliabh mor' (pronounced klee-iv more). 'Cliabh' means sword, 'mor' means big. These swords were carried by the Gallowglass warrior elite, Scots of Irish descent but also having Nordic blood. A very tough bunch.
madbuzz90 3 months ago
@madbuzz90 they also used a blade called a halflang..a sort of hand and a half style blade. however it may have been used more for 2 handed purposes..im getting a blade like this custom made...these blades came before the traditional claymore we know...so im adding a few inches to my hilt and my blade for a couple reasons..im a bigger guy and im used to that size blade.. blades were made for the user as much as they were made for design etc.
mouthforwar17 2 months ago
@madbuzz90 btw gallowglass is gaelic for galloglaigh...meaning foreign young warrior..they were either irish or scottish gaels from the highlands and isles..the scots however were called redshanks because for most of the year they didnt wear leg coverings..the scots also preferred the claymore over the tuagh or sparth axe. and with each gaelic subculture came different customs and differences in arms. ie. compare the irish ring sword to a claymore.
mouthforwar17 2 months ago
@madbuzz90 none of my clan were galloglass but the arms and armor used by them are also very general...maille over padding and a tunic with weapons(irish or scottish) with a helm and perhaps a secondary weapon like a sgian. its not until you go into the lowlands and borders that u see a change.
mouthforwar17 2 months ago
Hmm...the katana guy was great. Not much offensive techniques though ,right?
Lywnis 3 months ago
they're foam.....seriously....why..?
boxofbadbears 3 months ago
@boxofbadbears Are you being serious? I'll grant, solid wood is the more traditional stance for training, but sparring with live blades is the epitome of idiocy.
ashesinthewax 3 months ago
@ashesinthewax sparring with bare blades isnt idiocy..you need to learn your blade..practice blades dont have the ability to mimic the steel blade..with the right padding and the right blade, live steel fencing is recommended..and this is coming from someone experienced in that
mouthforwar17 2 months ago
@mouthforwar17 So you are experienced in fencing with razor-sharp katana and chisel-sharp claymores? Forgive me for disparity between terminology used within schools, but there is a difference between practice blades (defined to me as steel with dull, rounded, or blunt edges) and live blades (a blade that is sharp enough to kill). If it is commonplace in your place of practice to spar with live blades in public, I trust you and your partners have more experience than these two.
ashesinthewax 2 months ago
@ashesinthewax no where did i say that i used blades with sharp edges...by live steel i mean steel sparring and fighting..all of my practice blades are blunted for practice and re-enactment...sparring with steel surpasses any form of sparring in my opinion..to use your blade well enough you need to know how to use it in combat..therefore practice blades in my opinion arent necessary
mouthforwar17 2 months ago
dude katna man strike with one hand so u have balence mobelity and u can block that fuckin clamore
jburnett8900 3 months ago
dude your using the claymore all wrong fake or not go faster and stay far away oh and for cool peeps there is a show called claymore rated ma but its good some cussing nudity not alot and a tad scary but the show is cool
blkjock1 3 months ago
@blkjock1 I watched the last episode and was like WTF!!! The ending resolved nothing... We didn't even get to see who number 1 and number 2 were.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal are you talking about the show claymore if yes i know the show claymore rocks and claymores should be used like well how they use it in the show
blkjock1 3 months ago
@blkjock1 lol people arn't superhuman...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@blkjock1 Btw, how is a claymore supposed to be used???
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
I think both fighters need to learn that feet are weapons too...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
they seem so slow, its almost painful to watch.
PsiCHOTICPhiNALE 4 months ago
Lol a full powered swing of a massive sword would chop through the puny samurai. Samurai were not ninja. They won't dodge a swing if they are running forward
iIVIPuILsIE 4 months ago
the katana would have won right at the start when he deflected it and went to cut the throat. = win ; ) love both weps though
gexxy47 4 months ago
@gexxy47 a katana would break if that happend
justinhasproblems1 4 months ago
HARDCORE.
Ben762x51 4 months ago
The mongols barely even made it to Japan they're ships got wiped out twice so u can't say that the beat the Mongols
Freki1000 4 months ago 2
In this case, it's not the weapon, it's the person behind it.
Eroticon4 4 months ago
the japanese katana is highly overrated due to the legend and lore from hollywood....there is no way in hell that a samurai could defeat a well trained european knight with a sword an shield
thunder5121984 4 months ago
@thunder5121984 some one is a little buyist
kagetora7tsukiyo 4 months ago
@thunder5121984 Why not? They beat the Mongol hordes and they had shields.
DaveTheSamurai 4 months ago
@DaveTheSamurai The Mongols also had most of their fleet wiped out by a hurricane before they ever reached Japan's shores. The Japanese beat a demoralized, home-sick enemy that just happened to have shields; so what? A properly used shield because a near impenetrable barrier against a katana or, really, any single edged sword (anything with a short false edge doesn't count). To my knowledge, the various kenjutsu styles have no techniques for hooking or wrapping around a shield because they never
ChishioAme 4 months ago
@DaveTheSamurai Had to face them. European swords, however, which are double edged, had a wrap around technique specifically meant for combating shields where the momentum of the sword itself twisted your wrist in a manner that wraps it around the target; it can also be used to get around guards and can be used with a two-handed sword. Also, let's not forget the reach: average katana = 40" oal, 28" blade. Average Euro longsword = 46" oal, 35" blade. That's a full 7" reach advantage, blade wise.
ChishioAme 4 months ago
@ChishioAme Easy fix to the length problem that's why they made war tachi same as Euro broadsword and kanebo(heavy spiked war club). Now were equal.
DaveTheSamurai 4 months ago
@DaveTheSamurai Except you wouldn't be. An odachi generally has a POB of 12", making it a very heavy SOB with a slow recovery; the kanabo, which can weigh up to twice as much as an odachi (around 11lbs for the kanabo) is even worse. Meanwhile, even a massive XVIIIe greatsword with a 42" blade can have a 4" POB when made properly; it can also weigh a full pound lighter than an odachi. The greatsword is lighter, faster, and easier to recover than the odachi and has the speed of a lightsaber when
ChishioAme 4 months ago
@DaveTheSamurai Compared to a kanabo. Finally, there's a vast difference in armor. European armor was so advanced and offered so much protection that Japanese daimyo wanted them; European plate made the wearer almost completely invulnerable to swords while sacrificing none of their mobility. Then there's the yoroi (approximately 16th century like the XVIIIe): overlapping iron plates strapped together with silk cord. Chainmail is harder to pierce with a diamond shaped blade.
ChishioAme 4 months ago
@ChishioAme That's why they made mass produced guns and cannons they got from the Portugees to make things easier. The End.
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MessageWarning 5 months ago
Sorry... even for Larp standards this is awful
WeltenbrandBM 5 months ago
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AcAwSk8Vids 5 months ago
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qcitsqc 5 months ago
Fucking pussies. Real men fight with real weapons. Soldiers of the old times were real men. You two are a couple of faggots playing with toys.
AcAwSk8Vids 5 months ago
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Sure soldiers of the old fighted with real weapons. But they also trained with weapon simulators. Like the wooden rudis for the romans. Wooden wasters of the medieval period. Federschwerts and dussacks are also common training weapons. To train with real weapons are stupid because if you do something right you will injure or kill your training partner.
gurkfisk89 5 months ago
@AcAwSk8Vids You're an ignoramus.
TheKingdomofErnor 5 months ago
*insert intelligent comment*
mortemdrummer 5 months ago
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MuchasMarco 5 months ago
when facing a person with a claymore and you have a katana, remember the key word in order to win, DODGE!!!!! then slash or stab since the claymore is a heavy weapon and will regain balance slowly
Xennia2493 5 months ago
Really bad form of fighting. Those who say the Japanese sword is better clearly don't know what they are talking about, lots of anime and Japanlovers here. The steel from Europe was much better than the one from Japan. Also, the Katana is not that sharp, it was created first and foremost for cutting down peasants. A Samurai against Knight would not survive because the Katana is meant for slashing, not piercing. Something Euro swords can both do.
DarkStormErx 5 months ago
@DarkStormErx Samurai had spears too you know. And I dare you to try and get up in a huge ass full plated armor. Also, i think claymores are used by infantry, and that knights used longswords, I may be wrong though, but a well trained spearman(which samurai were) can poke a horse to death, leaving the knight down trying to get up while slashig other stuff with the said katana.
Tale2261 5 months ago
@Tale2261 Samurais wouldn't do anything. People get up easily with full armor, that myth has already been tested. No, you are wrong in that part. Even if you take down a Knights horse he would get up in seconds in fact. The samurai wouldn't cut anyone with a Katana, especially mail, Katanas are for slashing and you can't slash mail, especially with inferior steel. Therefore rendering it useless.
DarkStormErx 5 months ago
@DarkStormErx Yeah I had forgotten about mail, it's true that unless the samurai gets a clear hit at the face he is screwed. And yes, swords go schling! XD
Tale2261 5 months ago
@Tale2261 Neither longswords nor Katanas can cut thorugh mail. Or it's very hard to do. The LS, depending on type can thrust into it though or smash at it with pommel and hilt.
Giagantus 5 months ago
@Giagantus Yeah, that's why I said that. A good claymore or longsword hit could still break an arm or the legs even through mail. While the katana would have a bit of trouble.
Tale2261 5 months ago
@DarkStormErx I lack coherence :) But even though i'd root for the bushi for a 1 on 1, I don't think a feudal japan army could stand against an english longbowmen-spearmen tactic.
Tale2261 5 months ago
@Tale2261 Nor their Swordsfighter, even yet Hoplites, Spartans, Vikings, Hashashins, Knights and so on. Don't let people who know nothing about history tell you otherwise. Idiots still believe when you draw a sword it makes the Ring Steel sound.
DarkStormErx 5 months ago
fuckin lair fags
genaralsnizz 6 months ago
how about i bring my grandfather to fight you! just kidding but u can hold a sword :(
coolofqadsawi 6 months ago
two amateurs with fucking boffer? who let you assholes onto the internet?
uttoushii 6 months ago 9
I don't understand why the fight lasted this long. They killed eachother multiple times within the first two minutes.
MacFasse 6 months ago
The katana is quick but speed means nothing when you can get within 6 feet of a warrior. The claymore is almost un-bloackable and requires a truly superior warrior to kill it's wielder.
Liddlelegrande 6 months ago
@Liddlelegrande Also it's very heavy and a person most likely isn't Cloud Strife and can swing around a heavy claymore with ease, the katana wielder has the advantage of speed that they can use once an opening is given. Not saying katana is better, just battle strategy can tilt more so in its favor.
HairofSteel555 6 months ago
@HairofSteel555 Both the original maters knew what they wanted with the swords. These are both incredible swords and were devastating on the battle field.
Liddlelegrande 6 months ago
I think the claymore is superior to the Katana because of the power that is put behind it. The claymore is an enormous sword that usually required an enormous amount of power generated by a fairly large bloke. The Claymore also has a long reach to it the lowland claymore stood nearly six feet while a long katana is a little over 1 meter. If you held a shield to block a claymore your arm more often or not would be broken if not shattered.
Liddlelegrande 6 months ago
@Liddlelegrande Actually, a claymore isn't that heavy if it's made properly. Properly made claymore weight: 3lbs 11.5oz; properly made katana weight: 2lbs 11oz. Then there's the reach; a claymore's blade can be anywhere from 9-14" longer than a katana's. It also has two edges to the katana's one. Also, the idea of a shield isn't to block the blow outright, if possible, but to catch it and redirect it. However, if you did take it full on, your arm would likely be in splinters.
ChishioAme 4 months ago
@ChishioAme "Then there's the reach; a claymore's blade can be anywhere from 9-14" longer than a katana's" I never get why people rave about reach. There are quite a few strikes in kenjiutsu and probably just about any other sword art, in which you can close distance fast, like an extra 3 feet in 1 swing. Plus you only need to deflect the blow once and your past the tip
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@ChishioAme "Also, the idea of a shield isn't to block the blow outright, if possible, but to catch it and redirect it." Nada, shields are dome shaped; the power is broken easily; any standard shield can take a hit from a club let alone the claymore which has a heavy handle and counterweight (which decreases swing power).
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Deflect it once and you're past the tip? No offense, but are you an idiot? In the German longsword, which can (and is) be applied to all weapons in the German tradition, including great swords (of which the claymore qualifies), there are dozens of techniques that quickly redirect the blade in the event that the tip gets pushed off line before an opponent with a similarly sized longsword can close the distance; now subtract the good foot or so of length from that longsword..
ChishioAme 3 months ago
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@ChishioAme "In the German longsword, which can (and is) be applied to all weapons in the German tradition, including great swords (of which the claymore qualifies)," Yes, I am sure there is; however, the simple fact that you have to do said technique puts you at a disadvantage. Fail the technique (during the stresses of a fight) your dead... Succede and the fight continues. PS: can you show me a link??? I know it exists, I would just like to see the general manouver your refering too.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Holy shit, youtube's making this thread hard to follow; it keeps tossing the replies around. Anyways, here's an example of the technique I'm referring to being done with full speed and power (used by the fencer in blue); it goes from the 0:46-0:50 mark: /watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc The fencer in black attempts to deflect blue's point away and get inside his guard, but blue uses the technique I'm referring to and strikes black in the head. Very nasty.
ChishioAme 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal And remove an edge and you get a katana. Can you still say reach is unimportant? As for shields being dome shaped, I'm sorry to say, but you are woefully ignorant in this respect. Viking round shields, Scottish targes, kite shields, and even many bucklers were flat (with a central boss or spike in the targes' case) or, in the instance of bucklers, a very unusual shape. Some shields WERE domed, but not many. Where are you getting your info? Deadliest Warrior? A wooden shield
ChishioAme 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Would be able to stand up to the blow of a claymore (which is less about brute strength than it is finesse, as you seem to think), true, but a metal one would crumple from a solid blow as, to be light enough, a metal shield is often a few millimeters thick. Even then, it's often weighty. Further, if you were to take the blow from a sword straight on, the blunt force trauma that it produces would likely shatter your arm or, in the case of a buckler or viking round shield,
ChishioAme 3 months ago
@ChishioAme Actually the aspus shield is 15 pound bronze shield with a wooden coating to trap weapons. Thats metal... ANyways as for the buckler, yes that would have trouble against heavy attacks. The sizable viking round shield; however, would take it fine. The center piece is metal and protects the hand, the shield itself (due to not being strapped to the arm); moves when striking it. Your strike will lose power because the shield would move... Look up Thrand's viking vs samurai...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal I actually wasn't referring to the aspus; I was thinking more an early medieval shield of a similar size to the viking round shield, which is more around 5-8lbs of plywood, with or without a central boss. I've seen Thrand's videos and, yes, he is pretty biased. Especially when he talks about the swords he uses, which look to be cheapo wallhangers that I'd be afraid to hit anything with. He does make some good points for WMA, though, which is ok in my book, as a WMA student.
ChishioAme 3 months ago
@ChishioAme "which is less about brute strength than it is finesse, as you seem to think", no I don't seem to think. Infact thats what annoys me about so many claymore enthusiasts, they talk about how powerfull the swing is, when the swing is pretty much the same as another sword ( a bit more leverage ). Its more about distance and thrusting then power. Which is why getting past the tip is bad; and there are techniques for just about anything, doesn't make it easy to pull off.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Which are not strapped to the arm like a targe or kite shield; they would be knocked completely out of your hand, which would in all likelihood be completely numb, if it were even still whole. So no, a shield may be able to take a blow head on, but YOU can't. Therefore, you deflect it or stifle it. And, as a student of both the German longsword and sword & buckler, I think I know what I'm talking about here. Now, one last little tidbit I saved from earlier...
ChishioAme 3 months ago
@ChishioAme hes a biased asshole, that doesn't know how samurai fight, or purposefully leaves out techniquesto make the viking superior; however in the end he does have some good points. For example; he explains how the shield (which is held at the end) swings back and forth, so if you strike the shield, the shield would rearange itself to absorb the impact.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@ChishioAme PS sorry if what I said was a little confusing. I am not sure how to explain it; but thrands videos can show you...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@ChishioAme Hey btw, did you actually see the full video here??? At the end they swap weapons; the guy who originaly had the claymore now has the katana; and guess what he still winning...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal I didn't, to be honest, because I get so aggravated seeing people play at sparring where they give a halfhearted swing, strike the hand, and go "Oh! I got him! We're starting over now!" I quit watching after a couple minutes. As to the switching weapons, it's just proof, to me (not that I needed any), that it's the skill of the swordsman, not the weapon.
ChishioAme 3 months ago
@ChishioAme "it's just proof, to me (not that I needed any), that it's the skill of the swordsman, not the weapon." Which means that you must agree; reach is not as important as people make it out to be. Once they swapped weapons and the original claymore guy got the katana; he proceeded in pwning the other guy, despite the distance. Which proves skill> distance... Anyways; I agree, they stop too many times for blows that would barely cut clothing let alone kill someone...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal I agree, but I don't agree. Does that make sense? I once sparred in a similar situation, oh, 6-7 years ago, where my opponent had a vast reach advantage over me (I'd say about 8", which is a little less than the 10" of the claymore vs katana in the video). We both had about equal skill, but I repeatedly got beat because of that gap. Then again, it could have just been something subconscious from taking one too many cracks on the noggin from him prior to that. xD
ChishioAme 3 months ago
@ChishioAme I think you just wern't used to the distance gap. You have to prepare for all occasions; not just a few. If you have never faught someone with a longer weapon, then of course youl get beat the first time you do. However once your used to fighting a good amount of people with longer distance, youl eventually learn how to get pased the point. As for the video you showed me, the guy who won at 47, was the guy who got past the point which is what I was saying. Deflect the blade
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@ChishioAme once your past the point you go in for the kill. In that instance they both tried to get past eachothers' points and thus only one succeded. its a bit confusing looking, but you would see that the guys body was well past the point of his opponents.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal One thing I've always done is have a very realistic sparring rule set: if it hits a leg or arm hard enough, you lose that limb, but you continue the bout (since yes, you could continue fighting while missing an arm or leg); you only reset for a kill. Very simple and generally resulted in longer bouts... And an interesting collection of bruises thanks to that teenage mentality of "I'm invincible" (thankfully, I'm past that now).
ChishioAme 3 months ago
@ChishioAme Its hard to say whether what your describing is realistic or not, as it could go either way. You could collapse in pain or adrenaline could cause you to perhaps not even realize your arm is sliced open...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@ChishioAme The japanese didn't really loke the whole sword binding style though, they trained more in deflecting/ skipping the opponents blade and going streight for the body. Hard to say which is better, though I myself, would be too paranoid to scratch my sword getting all tangled like that...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal The Japanese did actually have a style utilizing a type of bind, but for the life of me, I can't actually determine what era it came from; I believe it was probably from before the Warring States period, given the armor I saw the men demonstrating it wearing. But, for the most part, they preferred a less blade contact oriented style, which I think is due to the poor availability (and general poor quality) of steel in Japan; it be relatively fragile, so the fewer chances of
ChishioAme 3 months ago
@ChishioAme "which I think is due to the poor availability (and general poor quality) of steel in Japan; it be relatively fragile" see when people start talking about the poor metal quality of japan, they don't usually seem to understand metal working. Its poor quality because its impure, the impurities are whats worked out during the big long ritual of japanese sword craft. In the end the quality is the same. The thing is however, katanas are made with more hard metal on the edge then soft.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Chances of ruining it, the better. Whereas, while expensive as all hell, steel was more prolific in Europe, the quality was better, the forging techniques were better, so while a nobleman damaging his sword beyond repair would be devastating, it wouldn't be the end of the world (unless of course he died because of it, then he'd be beyond caring about it). But, since they tried to parry with the flat as much as possible, less damage would be done to the fragile edge.
ChishioAme 3 months ago
@ChishioAme Background on the difference between hard and soft, hard metal maintains its shape, but can snap. Soft is maleable, it can flex, and it can be cut into; however it will not snap and break. Katanas have soft on the inside hard on the outside, they don't like banging the swords togather because chiping is much easier. However longswords banging to gather will simply dull it.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@ChishioAme Sorry, the european forging techniques were by no definition better. In fact they were much much much, more simple. The thing is, they didn't need the complex crafting because they didn't need to work out as much impurities. There is no such thing as "bad" metal, just pure and impure.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@ChishioAme And actually impure has its uses, as impure means softer. You need softer in a sword else you risk snapping it. Longswords have much flex, and much softer metal, so that they can use binding techniques, and even bang it against armor without risk of chipping, only dulling. Which is why I think binding between a longsword and katana might be worse for the longsword, the harder edge of the katana can cut into the longsword.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@ChishioAme as for the hand strikes though; you don't really need a powerfull swing to slice off a finger, or cause enough pain to disarm the persons weapon... Allthough, actually weapon does decide a lot in many ways. For one, your weapon is the extension of your body; if you don't like the weapon your using youl get yourself killed. For two, certain weapons are great at countering other specific weapons, a staff user will do quite well against a 2 handed sword user. A shield and sword user
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago
@ChishioAme would do quite well against a spear user; and so on from there... "I actually wasn't referring to the aspus; I was thinking more an early medieval shield of a similar size to the viking round shield" I know, I was just pointing out the aspus to counter your; "metal shields don't block as well as wood". Anyways so yea, despite thrand being a biased fucker; you can still get a good idea of how well non-strapped shields absorb impact... Countering your earlyer idea of breaking someones
TheBloodyBlackJackal 3 months ago