These teacher's unions protect the teachers and not the children. These unions are to blame for the serious problems with our education system today! Stop protecting the lousy teachers - the children come FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ssny1234 Teacher's union is an organization that protects teachers, not the children. The intrinsic nature of being teachers, is center around kids. This characteristic does not guarantee teacher's benefits, rights, or employment. Teachers need to work and live just as kids need to be educated. When teachers are under the gun for not being a good enough baby sitter for the parents, no support from the principals and the board, both children and teachers suffer.
I always thought unions were made to protect you from bad companies but a teacher, policman or fireman works for the city. which is paid for by there neighbors so why do they need protection form that oh yeah thats right unions are no longer about protection but power. No state, local or federal govenment job should be allowed to be in a union.
@MrRandyDick Hey Dickhead, tenure is less about due process and more about job security. What other profession allows this type of protection and repersentation after such a short period of time? The issue with tenure and unions is the way they strong arm the public. Lets not be shy about it, when you seek funding from others, maybe you should'nt be such a prick. Tenure makes it harder to get rid of teachers and thats why they or you like it. I used to have sympathy for teachers. Used to!
@ajatco Let's not be shy about it, your Argument and Debate teacher should probably be fired if you received a passing grade. Name calling doesn't help you; it makes you look stupid. Secondly, do some research and straighten out your facts. Any teacher can be fired. Tenure DOES NOT prevent that!!! The dismissal proceedures are outlined in any labor contract. Now, should all your past teachers be fired just because you can't make a reasoned argument? Perhaps, but they still have rights.
@amartinek01 Wow I forgot about this one. My argument is based on working with and managing union work forces in Wash DC, NYC, San Fran and Los Angls for aprox 20yrs. I'll tell you exactly all the places I've worked in a private e-mail. Yes I'm back in school to earn a BS in Accounting but lets be clear, unions make it as hard as possible to fire anyone including teachers. There are plenty of documented cases to prove my point, what about yours? Oh I was refering to Mr Randy Dick aka Dickhead.
@ajatco Tenure was not created in academic settings to provide job security. It was created to allow teachers and professors to advocate for their students without fear of reprisal when such advocacy is contrary to bad policy or worse, when it is required by policy but just makes the institution look bad. For instance, a non-union teacher in a charter school was recently fired for reporting the abuse of one student by another. As a mandatory reporter the teacher was fired for doing his job.
@amartinek01 You obscure the point of collective bargaining with your insistence on tenure alone.The combined effect of tenure with the power of collective bargaining to enforce it is the whole point! No other profession affords an employee this type of protection.Teachers have become accustomed to an unrealistic work environment while developing a sense of entitlement. Wake up, what happened in the housing market will happen in education. Its dollars and sense. Policy & Advocacy RU retarted?
@ajatco Oy! Again with the name calling. You keep writing without actually communicating anything constructive to this conversation. No teacher feels entitled to their position. Teachers rightfully feel entitled to due process and respect and compensation for their efforts like any other working professional. Because they are vital advocates for children, they require a special status with special protections. Do you want your children's teacher afraid to advocate for their best interests?
@amartinek01 This conversation is like a scab i can't stop picking.My posistion is quite clear, you just don't like what I have to say.Your statment that teachers feel entitiled because they are vital advocates for children, and that they require a special status with special protections shows how delusional UR. Teaching is a profession like any other, I don't want any teacher doing anything other then what their being payed to do which is teach! Glad we both agree that teachers feel entitled.
@amartinek01 I'm not name calling & I have been quite clear about my position.By your own admission teachers feel rightfully entitled to protection & compensation.However tenure & unionism is far beyond what most professionals get. I want teachers to do the job they are payed to do which is teach & leave policy &advocacy to others.Having the workers control the means of production is Marxism, being a teacher you know this.Expecting special status & protections while towns go broke is delusional.
@ajatco Yes, I believe that teachers have the same right to due process and respectable compensation as every other red-blooded American worker. Just to be clear, schools are not factories. We are not mass producing good little workers for your fascist empire. We are generating thinkers that will create the new economy. This requires a skill and commitment that is beyond most people's comprehension. Failing to reward it appropriately endangers our nation's future and security.
@ajatco Where you are wrong again is that you want to use policy to limit the rights of a particular, although essential, class of worker in our economy. That is blatantly discriminatory and exactly the kind of oppressive thinking which requires protections against abuses in the workplace for all workers, not just teachers or public employees. If your elected officials made a bad deal, vote them out. However, government must honor its contracts or the entire system becomes invalid.
@amartinek01 Do you really think anyone cares about teachers?We all know you get payed alot of money and get the summers off.Its an easy gig!All this bla bla bla about policy and rights is just you trying to sound important.I know that if the money started to run out in my town, teachers would start loosing their jobs regardless of the union.I see the College instructors in my school and most of them are just burnt out hacks.Maybe you are to.I was asked to become a teacher once and I said no!
@ajatco Thank you for staying out of the teaching profession, given your attitude toward it, your students would have suffered. Actually, I am a teacher and am currently spending two weeks away from home and family in a seminar perfecting my craft through intensive research and curriculum writing. That is what we do while we are laid off each summer. The teaching profession is a 24/7 responsibility that deserves more investment than it is given for shaping our nation's future.
@amartinek01 Your full of crap plus your smug. Your self importance is as clear as your lack of any real job expeirence. You can try and portray the teaching profession anyway you like, but anyone who has been to school in the last ten years knows better. I'm sure you have seen the movie Waiting for Superman and if you haven't then shame on you. 24/7 responsibility and our nations future? Your a fool plus I bet your sipping drinks at the beach like all the others just perfecting your tan. Idiot!
A close family member of mine is a teacher, and they routinely complain to me about how moronic and disinterested their colleagues are.
The teachers will slack off immensely (choosing shrink-wrapped lesson plans over making their own, playing hookey) and whenever there is talk of firing staff, they call their union representative and circle the wagons.
Good teachers don't need tenure, and hard public workers don't need a union. Its nothing more than a way to bleed the public coffers.
@aldoreshgaramok While you do at least offer some second-hand evidence; but fail to adequately cite your source material, you still fail to make a valid point. Everything you wrote here is pure supposition. I'll give you another real-life scenario, I actually work in an inner-city traditional neighborhood public school where on a whim from the school board (all mayoral appointees) we may be overcrowded or underutilized, and "shrink-wrapped curriculum" is imposed on (not sought out by) teachers
Homeschooled? Really? Did people forget that parents may or may not have degrees in education or experience in the field? Or how about this, everyone's parents are at home to do so? GET REAL!!! Ignorance is so common, it makes me sick!
yeah i wish homechooled would be come the majority. they say kids need to socialise at school. yeah then they end up pregnant or worse. public school is a joke, nothing in life is realy free. especially with public education wich makes you pay for it with a shitty job!
@nmcnmb Slaves had plantation owners, Jews had the Nazis, Impoverished urbanites have the Charter School movement. If you really understood what was going on, you would realize that this whole "privatization" reform movement is dependent upon public money, supplemented with private donations that are completely inequitable and unsustainable. It is statist paternalism couched in the guise of privatization. A+ for duping conservatives into funding Dem's neo-patronage raiders of public coffers.
Parents can help the school by reading with their kids and keeping them away from bad influences.
I had bad teachers, but it didn't do me any damage. My parents saw to it that I read every day and didn't hang out with bad kids. My writing skills were tops and my grades were at least 90%.
@EasyEs Actually, a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States actually proves that people are less motivated by merit pay and perform best when money is not a worry in their lives but are empowered to master their craft and add creativity to their profession. Multiple demographics, same results. Pay teachers enough to comfortably raise their families on one salary, then treat them like collaborative professionals. Don't steal their rights and force them to compete for slave wages.
@amartinek01 I have read those studies and they are flawed because they use a very narrow range of definitions for the statistics they collect. That aside it doesn't matter because I wasn't arguing about payment I was arguing about job security. If teachers want to be treated and payed like other professionals then they need to act like them and accept that being fired or having business move away from you based on performance is a reality.
@EasyEs Many problems here. First, most schools have defined service areas and are NOT allowed to attract students from outside those boundaries; however, some schools do have that ability which creates guaranteed inequities. The point of public education is to guarantee opportunity and be the great equalizer of our society. Decades of bad policy have undermined that ideal. As for paying teachers, they have a right to a contract like any other economic interest. more . . .
@EasyEs First we must acknowledge that the contract is the basis of all our governmental and economic systems. If we, particularly the government, fail to uphold contracts, we undermine faith in the entire system and descend into anarchy. Corporations and governments negotiate contracts for service whether it is from and accountant or a lawyer or temp agency or a union. Accountability for poor performance lies with the board of directors or elected officials before the workers.
@amartinek01 No accountability for professionals doesn't lie with the board of directors or elected officials it lies with them. You want it both ways, pay and benefits that professionals get but shelter from from accountability like low skilled workers. It doesn't work like that in the professional world the buck stops with the professional end of story, you accept things out of your control for you successes or failures.
Ultimately the parents should be able to vote with their feet.
@EasyEs The failure here is your failure to recognize the uniqueness of the teaching profession. Teachers are not able to simply hang a shingle or join a private practice and charge clients or patients and insurance companies exorbitant fees for service or set their own billable hour rates. They are essential advocates for the children they serve and must be free of any and all retaliation from those who may be inconvenienced by such advocacy and retain the right to negotiate fair wages.
@amartinek01 Why can't teachers have a private practice? They are not advocates of the children they serve as much as the parents. Yes I know we don't live in a perfect world and that lots of parents are not that invested but the same can be said of other professionals when dealing with customers and employers. In the end lots of great teachers are held back by the bureaucracy that gives them security, and can't act like real professionals.
@EasyEs Public education was never intended to be strictly for well-heeled elites. It is a public service made freely available to all. Most people would recognize it as a basic economic right in America today. When college graduates are statistically likely to earn millions of dollars more in their lifetime than those who drop out of school, you can see why people consider this essential for their children. Insuring access to education requires societal investment in a public system.
@amartinek01 You are not getting the main point. That is that funding an education for everyone doesn't mean that they government has to run every school and that teachers and administrators are protected from the choices of parents by a huge wall of bureaucracy. It isn't a collage education that makes people create more wealth, it is the productivity that they get from learning new skills, in this day and age there are lots of people with educations who have no skills to be productive.
What part of a government-run, inefficient, incompetent, uncompetitive public education system is consistent with personal rights? People have a personal right to choose from a variety of different educational options and they shouldn't have to pay extra to get them!
But you have to pay considerably more. I'm saying make that personal right equally accessible. There are thousands of inner city families that would love for their kids to go to another school, but they either do not have the resources to send their kids to private school or they do not have the resources to transport their kid to a different public school. Is there anything wrong with a little competition? Because in public education, there absolutely isn't any.
@kgj08 People who take their children out of their neighborhood school are abdicating their responsibility to build up their communities. The net effect of school choice is our diminished commitment to building up each other and our own communities. Why bother cleaning up the block when I can just drive my kid across town for school every day. Our neighborhoods are being destroyed by these privatization reform and children are dying as a result. Support your neighborhood school only.
I have a dream. One day all children will be eligible for school vouchers. Government school sucks. Homeschooler and private school parents are Americas heros.
I "wish" I could be teacher LOL. I mean summers off, holidays in Dec. and the Spring, not to mention countless 'teacher work days' and other holidays and get paid for an entire year! According to the AFL CIO the avg. teacher's salary is $47K, now let's say thats for 10 mos. worth of work or $4,700 a month. If that was applied to 12 months that would be $56K! So do you want the $56K and work year round or do you want what you have with plenty of time off?
Personally, I have more respect for the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) then I do for the Teacher's Union. NAMBLA tells people up front what they want to do with children, and NAMBLA doesn't demand more and more money from taxpayers, nor do they use children to get money into their coffers.
It's funny how those who have never taught have all the answers. Instead of "wishing", why don't you do it? Go back to school and get retrained. Do it! Let's see if you'll be one of the 75% of the force that we lose during the first five years. Come on! Let's test your theory of how easy it really is!
i never sold a mortgage so therefore i cant critisize anyone in that feild. the reason you lose most of the teachers because wether you do a good job or a terrible job you get paid the same.i wouldent work for any company or organization that had that policy either
@Infinitespeculator My "summer off" is only 6 weeks long. I'm spending 3 of those weeks improving my practice, studying at places like Yale University. The other 3 weeks I'm working to improve the practice of colleagues and the education of students through an enhanced credit recovery program. In my spare time, I'm planning lessons and keeping in touch with past and present students and making sure there are some resources available when school starts in a few weeks. Stop bogus stereotyping!!
@ajatco "summer off" actually means laid off. There are no earnings when teachers aren't in front of students. While teachers are laid off every summer they spend that time planning lessons and updating their craft through professional development. Most of these opportunities for professional growth must be paid for by the teacher. I've had several corporate friends, who earn much more than I, guest lecture for a day and leave completely exhausted after 5 classes. Breaks are needed.
@wiseblackass Before public education, the free market only educated the wealthy and left everybody else behind. When communities embrace their neighborhood school and support its efforts the children, and the community, thrive. When parents seek to send their children out of their neighborhood for school, they abandon their communities instead of improving them.
if the teachers arent organized in a profession that protects them and their salaries which are to low for the job to begin with, noone will take up the profession and you non-union clowns will really be crying then. best teachers in the world are parents who make the kids understand the importance of education.
This is to BillyBawb. Yes, of course - teachers are to blame for the ruining of schools and this great country. It has nothing to do with parents, government and uninformed citizens like yourself. Just the teachers...LOL!!!
I said teacher UNIONS are to blame, not teachers. Learn to read. Teachers unions prevent common sense reforms that work while continuing to run the schools with their ultra-idealistic world view.
No, I can read. What is more, I can think. Teacher unions are teachers. Teachers make up teacher unions. What is funny is teachers don't run schools - that is part of the problem. Oh, and it is all too obvious that no one TAUGHT you to be respectful("learn to read" was just not necessary). I guess you can blame that on teachers too(?) LOL!!!
First of all, don't lecture me about being respectful when you just said I was "an uninformed citizen". I have a high school principal and a few teachers in my family so I know the situation as well as most people. Second, what we really need is more local control, not unconstitutional, ridiculous federal education policies that are put in place by union lobbyists. The unions are in control in just about every state, and you are naive and/or ignorant if you don't see that.
I was not trying to lecture you. As a teacher, I know that "lecture" alone is not a best teaching practice. Lol!!! Saying that you were an uninformed citizen is not being disrespectful (anyhow - that wasn't my intention). As I did not try or mean to be disrespectful, I apologize if that was the effect. However, saying that I can't read - well - that seems clearly disrespectful (but it is cool - as a teacher, I am used to being disrespected). LOL!!! TO BE CONTINUED...
Now, about being naive and ignorant - well - I am a teacher and I am a union member (so I speak from a position of knowing and experiencing). In fact, I work for a teacher union. I have done so for the past 3 years. If we are so in control, please tell me why we get offered the most ridiculous contracts of just about any profession (?). TO BE CONTINUED...
I teach elementary school and have done so for the last 11 years and I can't even get a bathroom break on some days. I have 20-minutes to gobble down my lunch, if I am lucky (by the way, that isn't even a lunch break - I don't get one of those). I also have to deal with a teaching environment that is often not conducive to teaching and learning: overcrowded classrooms, not enough materials for my students, and mandates/policies (NCLB comes to mind) that are not even funded. TO BE CONTINUED...
NCLB (No Child Left Behind) is a federal policy that was put in place by (guess?) the federal government. Believe me - teacher union lobbyists would never lobby for a policy that destroys children and teachers. We lobby and they don't listen. The government (federal and state politicians) listen to lobbyists that have power [which equates to money and large memberships - votes that they will not get come elections (if they don't listen) or will get (if they do listen)]. TO BE CONTINUED...
Teacher unions fall short on both accounts (we have no real money and unions are being busted up or "shredded" - to use your terminology). If we teachers/unions are so in control - then why do we have such poor contracts and such terrible working conditions??? The truth is - we are not in control. Yes, we better lobby!!! If we didn't lobby and negotiate - the situation would be far worse, which is hard to imagine (if you are a teacher or a student). TO BE CONTINUED...
By the way, local control would mean teachers, parents, and other community members (what is more local than the interested parties that work in and around the schools?). That is exactly what we want and what we need to make the teaching and learning "gel." TO BE CONTINUED...
I have to end by saying - those unconstitutional and ridiculous policies that you speak of are not put in place by teacher union lobbyists. Lobbyists of a different "flavor" put those policies/mandates in place. We, the teachers - fight to "shred" such policies. PS - I think we are going to become "old friends." LOL!!! Peace...
The teachers unions create the red-tape that makes it hard to get rid of bad teachers. Also, they don't want merit-based pay and don't want salaries to be different depending on what subject is taught. Teachers unions are ruining our schools and our country. Rip them to shreds, please.
I guess you all know that Waiting On Superman has been totally discredited
since you saw it.
MrRandyDick 4 months ago
These teacher's unions protect the teachers and not the children. These unions are to blame for the serious problems with our education system today! Stop protecting the lousy teachers - the children come FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ssny1234 1 year ago
@ssny1234 Teacher's union is an organization that protects teachers, not the children. The intrinsic nature of being teachers, is center around kids. This characteristic does not guarantee teacher's benefits, rights, or employment. Teachers need to work and live just as kids need to be educated. When teachers are under the gun for not being a good enough baby sitter for the parents, no support from the principals and the board, both children and teachers suffer.
dasteufelhund 1 year ago
"Ms. Lynch really hits this one out of the park"
A three minute diatribe that only illustrates how incompetent that this lady is at being a teacher is, 'hitting it out of the park?'
Herv3 1 year ago
I always thought unions were made to protect you from bad companies but a teacher, policman or fireman works for the city. which is paid for by there neighbors so why do they need protection form that oh yeah thats right unions are no longer about protection but power. No state, local or federal govenment job should be allowed to be in a union.
tkcrofamericans 1 year ago
Tenure doesn't "protect" teachers from getting fired. It just guarantees due process.
Until then they are employees at will. You morons should do us all a favor and
home school your kids.
MrRandyDick 1 year ago
@MrRandyDick Hey Dickhead, tenure is less about due process and more about job security. What other profession allows this type of protection and repersentation after such a short period of time? The issue with tenure and unions is the way they strong arm the public. Lets not be shy about it, when you seek funding from others, maybe you should'nt be such a prick. Tenure makes it harder to get rid of teachers and thats why they or you like it. I used to have sympathy for teachers. Used to!
ajatco 10 months ago
@ajatco Let's not be shy about it, your Argument and Debate teacher should probably be fired if you received a passing grade. Name calling doesn't help you; it makes you look stupid. Secondly, do some research and straighten out your facts. Any teacher can be fired. Tenure DOES NOT prevent that!!! The dismissal proceedures are outlined in any labor contract. Now, should all your past teachers be fired just because you can't make a reasoned argument? Perhaps, but they still have rights.
amartinek01 8 months ago
@amartinek01 Wow I forgot about this one. My argument is based on working with and managing union work forces in Wash DC, NYC, San Fran and Los Angls for aprox 20yrs. I'll tell you exactly all the places I've worked in a private e-mail. Yes I'm back in school to earn a BS in Accounting but lets be clear, unions make it as hard as possible to fire anyone including teachers. There are plenty of documented cases to prove my point, what about yours? Oh I was refering to Mr Randy Dick aka Dickhead.
ajatco 8 months ago
@ajatco Tenure was not created in academic settings to provide job security. It was created to allow teachers and professors to advocate for their students without fear of reprisal when such advocacy is contrary to bad policy or worse, when it is required by policy but just makes the institution look bad. For instance, a non-union teacher in a charter school was recently fired for reporting the abuse of one student by another. As a mandatory reporter the teacher was fired for doing his job.
amartinek01 7 months ago
@amartinek01 You obscure the point of collective bargaining with your insistence on tenure alone.The combined effect of tenure with the power of collective bargaining to enforce it is the whole point! No other profession affords an employee this type of protection.Teachers have become accustomed to an unrealistic work environment while developing a sense of entitlement. Wake up, what happened in the housing market will happen in education. Its dollars and sense. Policy & Advocacy RU retarted?
ajatco 7 months ago
@ajatco Oy! Again with the name calling. You keep writing without actually communicating anything constructive to this conversation. No teacher feels entitled to their position. Teachers rightfully feel entitled to due process and respect and compensation for their efforts like any other working professional. Because they are vital advocates for children, they require a special status with special protections. Do you want your children's teacher afraid to advocate for their best interests?
amartinek01 7 months ago
@amartinek01 This conversation is like a scab i can't stop picking.My posistion is quite clear, you just don't like what I have to say.Your statment that teachers feel entitiled because they are vital advocates for children, and that they require a special status with special protections shows how delusional UR. Teaching is a profession like any other, I don't want any teacher doing anything other then what their being payed to do which is teach! Glad we both agree that teachers feel entitled.
ajatco 7 months ago
@amartinek01 I'm not name calling & I have been quite clear about my position.By your own admission teachers feel rightfully entitled to protection & compensation.However tenure & unionism is far beyond what most professionals get. I want teachers to do the job they are payed to do which is teach & leave policy &advocacy to others.Having the workers control the means of production is Marxism, being a teacher you know this.Expecting special status & protections while towns go broke is delusional.
ajatco 7 months ago
@ajatco Yes, I believe that teachers have the same right to due process and respectable compensation as every other red-blooded American worker. Just to be clear, schools are not factories. We are not mass producing good little workers for your fascist empire. We are generating thinkers that will create the new economy. This requires a skill and commitment that is beyond most people's comprehension. Failing to reward it appropriately endangers our nation's future and security.
amartinek01 7 months ago
@ajatco Where you are wrong again is that you want to use policy to limit the rights of a particular, although essential, class of worker in our economy. That is blatantly discriminatory and exactly the kind of oppressive thinking which requires protections against abuses in the workplace for all workers, not just teachers or public employees. If your elected officials made a bad deal, vote them out. However, government must honor its contracts or the entire system becomes invalid.
amartinek01 7 months ago
@amartinek01 Do you really think anyone cares about teachers?We all know you get payed alot of money and get the summers off.Its an easy gig!All this bla bla bla about policy and rights is just you trying to sound important.I know that if the money started to run out in my town, teachers would start loosing their jobs regardless of the union.I see the College instructors in my school and most of them are just burnt out hacks.Maybe you are to.I was asked to become a teacher once and I said no!
ajatco 7 months ago
@ajatco Thank you for staying out of the teaching profession, given your attitude toward it, your students would have suffered. Actually, I am a teacher and am currently spending two weeks away from home and family in a seminar perfecting my craft through intensive research and curriculum writing. That is what we do while we are laid off each summer. The teaching profession is a 24/7 responsibility that deserves more investment than it is given for shaping our nation's future.
amartinek01 7 months ago
@amartinek01 Your full of crap plus your smug. Your self importance is as clear as your lack of any real job expeirence. You can try and portray the teaching profession anyway you like, but anyone who has been to school in the last ten years knows better. I'm sure you have seen the movie Waiting for Superman and if you haven't then shame on you. 24/7 responsibility and our nations future? Your a fool plus I bet your sipping drinks at the beach like all the others just perfecting your tan. Idiot!
ajatco 7 months ago
A close family member of mine is a teacher, and they routinely complain to me about how moronic and disinterested their colleagues are.
The teachers will slack off immensely (choosing shrink-wrapped lesson plans over making their own, playing hookey) and whenever there is talk of firing staff, they call their union representative and circle the wagons.
Good teachers don't need tenure, and hard public workers don't need a union. Its nothing more than a way to bleed the public coffers.
aldoreshgaramok 1 year ago
@aldoreshgaramok While you do at least offer some second-hand evidence; but fail to adequately cite your source material, you still fail to make a valid point. Everything you wrote here is pure supposition. I'll give you another real-life scenario, I actually work in an inner-city traditional neighborhood public school where on a whim from the school board (all mayoral appointees) we may be overcrowded or underutilized, and "shrink-wrapped curriculum" is imposed on (not sought out by) teachers
amartinek01 8 months ago
wow the woman is extremely dumb lol does she get paid ?
bobboberan 2 years ago 2
The woman is VERY dumb!! I vote her president of....the TEACHER'S UNION! lol!
ticks4ticks4 2 years ago 2
Teachers Poem....
...Didnt learn anything today??....TOO BAD MY JOB IS PROTECTED BY A UNION! ...
Cant get into college, cant get a job with youre high school education??
....too bad go on wellfare!
...message from the Americas's teachers and there unions.
1988rogers 2 years ago 2
Homeschooled? Really? Did people forget that parents may or may not have degrees in education or experience in the field? Or how about this, everyone's parents are at home to do so? GET REAL!!! Ignorance is so common, it makes me sick!
piricarmen 2 years ago
Somalia has the pirates...
Russia has the mafia...
Afghanistan has the Taliban...
The U.S. has the teachers union.
nmcnmb 2 years ago 10
Wow! That was the best description of americas social problems. The teachers union is the very embodiment of them!
hotelroyale100 2 years ago 5
Yes, I agree. 100%
Come on, Phonics?
They can't fire the convicted child molesters??
WTF?? My kids are homeschooled.
Anjimom 2 years ago
yeah i wish homechooled would be come the majority. they say kids need to socialise at school. yeah then they end up pregnant or worse. public school is a joke, nothing in life is realy free. especially with public education wich makes you pay for it with a shitty job!
hotelroyale100 2 years ago
Ya know, Hitler outlawed home schooling long before the start of WWII?
It's just sad that us parents have to take a bunch of crap from other parents about homeschooling.
I'm like, "Hey, maybe I don't want my kid in the same class as those other screwed up kids."
Anjimom 2 years ago
@nmcnmb , haha can't agree with you anymore
TheGelv 1 year ago
@nmcnmb Slaves had plantation owners, Jews had the Nazis, Impoverished urbanites have the Charter School movement. If you really understood what was going on, you would realize that this whole "privatization" reform movement is dependent upon public money, supplemented with private donations that are completely inequitable and unsustainable. It is statist paternalism couched in the guise of privatization. A+ for duping conservatives into funding Dem's neo-patronage raiders of public coffers.
amartinek01 8 months ago
At annandale high school in annandale, va. their were two days read and white days. on the red days you wear a sickle and hammer.
miguelcotto4ever 3 years ago
HEY! Parents, take back your schools.
Teachers and school administrations do what they want, teach what they want and act unacceptable; it's time for parents to take back the schools!
warmicestorm 3 years ago 2
Parents can help the school by reading with their kids and keeping them away from bad influences.
I had bad teachers, but it didn't do me any damage. My parents saw to it that I read every day and didn't hang out with bad kids. My writing skills were tops and my grades were at least 90%.
MondoBeno 3 years ago
Unless you fear for your job or that someone can one up you, you will always under perform end of story.
EasyEs 3 years ago
@EasyEs Actually, a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of the United States actually proves that people are less motivated by merit pay and perform best when money is not a worry in their lives but are empowered to master their craft and add creativity to their profession. Multiple demographics, same results. Pay teachers enough to comfortably raise their families on one salary, then treat them like collaborative professionals. Don't steal their rights and force them to compete for slave wages.
amartinek01 8 months ago
@amartinek01 I have read those studies and they are flawed because they use a very narrow range of definitions for the statistics they collect. That aside it doesn't matter because I wasn't arguing about payment I was arguing about job security. If teachers want to be treated and payed like other professionals then they need to act like them and accept that being fired or having business move away from you based on performance is a reality.
They have no right to parents money.
EasyEs 7 months ago
@EasyEs Many problems here. First, most schools have defined service areas and are NOT allowed to attract students from outside those boundaries; however, some schools do have that ability which creates guaranteed inequities. The point of public education is to guarantee opportunity and be the great equalizer of our society. Decades of bad policy have undermined that ideal. As for paying teachers, they have a right to a contract like any other economic interest. more . . .
amartinek01 7 months ago
@EasyEs First we must acknowledge that the contract is the basis of all our governmental and economic systems. If we, particularly the government, fail to uphold contracts, we undermine faith in the entire system and descend into anarchy. Corporations and governments negotiate contracts for service whether it is from and accountant or a lawyer or temp agency or a union. Accountability for poor performance lies with the board of directors or elected officials before the workers.
amartinek01 7 months ago
@amartinek01 No accountability for professionals doesn't lie with the board of directors or elected officials it lies with them. You want it both ways, pay and benefits that professionals get but shelter from from accountability like low skilled workers. It doesn't work like that in the professional world the buck stops with the professional end of story, you accept things out of your control for you successes or failures.
Ultimately the parents should be able to vote with their feet.
EasyEs 7 months ago
@EasyEs The failure here is your failure to recognize the uniqueness of the teaching profession. Teachers are not able to simply hang a shingle or join a private practice and charge clients or patients and insurance companies exorbitant fees for service or set their own billable hour rates. They are essential advocates for the children they serve and must be free of any and all retaliation from those who may be inconvenienced by such advocacy and retain the right to negotiate fair wages.
amartinek01 7 months ago
@amartinek01 Why can't teachers have a private practice? They are not advocates of the children they serve as much as the parents. Yes I know we don't live in a perfect world and that lots of parents are not that invested but the same can be said of other professionals when dealing with customers and employers. In the end lots of great teachers are held back by the bureaucracy that gives them security, and can't act like real professionals.
EasyEs 7 months ago
@EasyEs Public education was never intended to be strictly for well-heeled elites. It is a public service made freely available to all. Most people would recognize it as a basic economic right in America today. When college graduates are statistically likely to earn millions of dollars more in their lifetime than those who drop out of school, you can see why people consider this essential for their children. Insuring access to education requires societal investment in a public system.
amartinek01 7 months ago
@amartinek01 You are not getting the main point. That is that funding an education for everyone doesn't mean that they government has to run every school and that teachers and administrators are protected from the choices of parents by a huge wall of bureaucracy. It isn't a collage education that makes people create more wealth, it is the productivity that they get from learning new skills, in this day and age there are lots of people with educations who have no skills to be productive.
EasyEs 7 months ago
RON PAUL 2008 Abolish the U.S Dept of Education
CorollaKing 3 years ago
ron paul does not care for personal rights. Obama 08, he will make changes, not promises for changes.
overmind2 3 years ago
What part of a government-run, inefficient, incompetent, uncompetitive public education system is consistent with personal rights? People have a personal right to choose from a variety of different educational options and they shouldn't have to pay extra to get them!
kgj08 3 years ago
Right. In America, you can already do that.
michigan83guerrilla 3 years ago
But you have to pay considerably more. I'm saying make that personal right equally accessible. There are thousands of inner city families that would love for their kids to go to another school, but they either do not have the resources to send their kids to private school or they do not have the resources to transport their kid to a different public school. Is there anything wrong with a little competition? Because in public education, there absolutely isn't any.
kgj08 3 years ago
@kgj08 People who take their children out of their neighborhood school are abdicating their responsibility to build up their communities. The net effect of school choice is our diminished commitment to building up each other and our own communities. Why bother cleaning up the block when I can just drive my kid across town for school every day. Our neighborhoods are being destroyed by these privatization reform and children are dying as a result. Support your neighborhood school only.
amartinek01 8 months ago
lol good one.
wait887 3 years ago
I have a dream. One day all children will be eligible for school vouchers. Government school sucks. Homeschooler and private school parents are Americas heros.
abcpools 3 years ago
Good video, and good for you, TVpro75. I am right there with you.
UnionGuy55 3 years ago
I "wish" I could be teacher LOL. I mean summers off, holidays in Dec. and the Spring, not to mention countless 'teacher work days' and other holidays and get paid for an entire year! According to the AFL CIO the avg. teacher's salary is $47K, now let's say thats for 10 mos. worth of work or $4,700 a month. If that was applied to 12 months that would be $56K! So do you want the $56K and work year round or do you want what you have with plenty of time off?
Infinitespeculator 4 years ago
Personally, I have more respect for the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) then I do for the Teacher's Union. NAMBLA tells people up front what they want to do with children, and NAMBLA doesn't demand more and more money from taxpayers, nor do they use children to get money into their coffers.
magickmatt138 3 years ago
It's funny how those who have never taught have all the answers. Instead of "wishing", why don't you do it? Go back to school and get retrained. Do it! Let's see if you'll be one of the 75% of the force that we lose during the first five years. Come on! Let's test your theory of how easy it really is!
Ghoulardifan 3 years ago
i never sold a mortgage so therefore i cant critisize anyone in that feild. the reason you lose most of the teachers because wether you do a good job or a terrible job you get paid the same.i wouldent work for any company or organization that had that policy either
elmoslanz 3 years ago
@Infinitespeculator My "summer off" is only 6 weeks long. I'm spending 3 of those weeks improving my practice, studying at places like Yale University. The other 3 weeks I'm working to improve the practice of colleagues and the education of students through an enhanced credit recovery program. In my spare time, I'm planning lessons and keeping in touch with past and present students and making sure there are some resources available when school starts in a few weeks. Stop bogus stereotyping!!
amartinek01 8 months ago
@amartinek01 Your off for 6 weeks. Teachers really do have an easy job.
ajatco 8 months ago
@ajatco "summer off" actually means laid off. There are no earnings when teachers aren't in front of students. While teachers are laid off every summer they spend that time planning lessons and updating their craft through professional development. Most of these opportunities for professional growth must be paid for by the teacher. I've had several corporate friends, who earn much more than I, guest lecture for a day and leave completely exhausted after 5 classes. Breaks are needed.
amartinek01 7 months ago
The Free Market delivers education better than ANY other system.
The current system benefits inept "teachers", and hurts children.
wiseblackass 4 years ago
@wiseblackass Before public education, the free market only educated the wealthy and left everybody else behind. When communities embrace their neighborhood school and support its efforts the children, and the community, thrive. When parents seek to send their children out of their neighborhood for school, they abandon their communities instead of improving them.
amartinek01 7 months ago
if the teachers arent organized in a profession that protects them and their salaries which are to low for the job to begin with, noone will take up the profession and you non-union clowns will really be crying then. best teachers in the world are parents who make the kids understand the importance of education.
hipchek 4 years ago 2
This is to BillyBawb. Yes, of course - teachers are to blame for the ruining of schools and this great country. It has nothing to do with parents, government and uninformed citizens like yourself. Just the teachers...LOL!!!
tvpro75 4 years ago
I said teacher UNIONS are to blame, not teachers. Learn to read. Teachers unions prevent common sense reforms that work while continuing to run the schools with their ultra-idealistic world view.
BillyBawb 4 years ago
No, I can read. What is more, I can think. Teacher unions are teachers. Teachers make up teacher unions. What is funny is teachers don't run schools - that is part of the problem. Oh, and it is all too obvious that no one TAUGHT you to be respectful("learn to read" was just not necessary). I guess you can blame that on teachers too(?) LOL!!!
tvpro75 4 years ago
First of all, don't lecture me about being respectful when you just said I was "an uninformed citizen". I have a high school principal and a few teachers in my family so I know the situation as well as most people. Second, what we really need is more local control, not unconstitutional, ridiculous federal education policies that are put in place by union lobbyists. The unions are in control in just about every state, and you are naive and/or ignorant if you don't see that.
BillyBawb 4 years ago
I was not trying to lecture you. As a teacher, I know that "lecture" alone is not a best teaching practice. Lol!!! Saying that you were an uninformed citizen is not being disrespectful (anyhow - that wasn't my intention). As I did not try or mean to be disrespectful, I apologize if that was the effect. However, saying that I can't read - well - that seems clearly disrespectful (but it is cool - as a teacher, I am used to being disrespected). LOL!!! TO BE CONTINUED...
tvpro75 4 years ago
Now, about being naive and ignorant - well - I am a teacher and I am a union member (so I speak from a position of knowing and experiencing). In fact, I work for a teacher union. I have done so for the past 3 years. If we are so in control, please tell me why we get offered the most ridiculous contracts of just about any profession (?). TO BE CONTINUED...
tvpro75 4 years ago
I teach elementary school and have done so for the last 11 years and I can't even get a bathroom break on some days. I have 20-minutes to gobble down my lunch, if I am lucky (by the way, that isn't even a lunch break - I don't get one of those). I also have to deal with a teaching environment that is often not conducive to teaching and learning: overcrowded classrooms, not enough materials for my students, and mandates/policies (NCLB comes to mind) that are not even funded. TO BE CONTINUED...
tvpro75 4 years ago
NCLB (No Child Left Behind) is a federal policy that was put in place by (guess?) the federal government. Believe me - teacher union lobbyists would never lobby for a policy that destroys children and teachers. We lobby and they don't listen. The government (federal and state politicians) listen to lobbyists that have power [which equates to money and large memberships - votes that they will not get come elections (if they don't listen) or will get (if they do listen)]. TO BE CONTINUED...
tvpro75 4 years ago
Teacher unions fall short on both accounts (we have no real money and unions are being busted up or "shredded" - to use your terminology). If we teachers/unions are so in control - then why do we have such poor contracts and such terrible working conditions??? The truth is - we are not in control. Yes, we better lobby!!! If we didn't lobby and negotiate - the situation would be far worse, which is hard to imagine (if you are a teacher or a student). TO BE CONTINUED...
tvpro75 4 years ago
By the way, local control would mean teachers, parents, and other community members (what is more local than the interested parties that work in and around the schools?). That is exactly what we want and what we need to make the teaching and learning "gel." TO BE CONTINUED...
tvpro75 4 years ago
I have to end by saying - those unconstitutional and ridiculous policies that you speak of are not put in place by teacher union lobbyists. Lobbyists of a different "flavor" put those policies/mandates in place. We, the teachers - fight to "shred" such policies. PS - I think we are going to become "old friends." LOL!!! Peace...
tvpro75 4 years ago
Teacher unions are about TEACHER JOBS. Period. They have nothing to do with "the children."
dotyrs 4 years ago
The teachers unions create the red-tape that makes it hard to get rid of bad teachers. Also, they don't want merit-based pay and don't want salaries to be different depending on what subject is taught. Teachers unions are ruining our schools and our country. Rip them to shreds, please.
BillyBawb 4 years ago 2