Sabot Slugs Through 2 Shotguns

[rey1933]

Its not pronounced Say-Bow, like the uranium depleting tank round its pronounced, Sa-Bit...

[Frankdude72]

@rey1933 That might be how you've heard it pronounced.

But "Sabot" is French for shoe, hence the proper French pronunciation.

[1523Booger]

I have that same mossberg. Where did you get all the add ons like the stock and heat shield?

[C172Pilotdude]

Nice job moby.

[MegaLaidback]

Those sabot s rounds have a lot to them.

[mineiro284]

meus parabéns camarada vocé e um grande atirador

[AlexM19875]

I see dead pixles

[bsniffg]

Is that Moby?

[phish33194]

do the sabot rounds increase recoil because form other videos ive seen the saiga has not nearly that much recoil

[ghostavenger1988]

FKEA

[skizzerbo]

oooo ur shoulder hurts....balhahahahahaha

[skizzerbo]

oooo ur shoulder hurts....blhahahahahaha

[DysphemisticOptimist]

@Frankdude72 Has Andrew had a CT scan lately? When 'The Mangler' switched to the Saiga, I thought the kick was gonna bruise his brain.

Did you have to mod the Saiga in order to use sabot rounds?

[ViolentBiscuits]

Oh man I couldn't imagine how much kicks those slugs have :X lol.

[callyboygid]

sad weirdos! what a couple of freaks!!!! ha ha haaa.  mmmmmmmmmm guns!!!!

[MATAtheFIRST]

at 1:30 he totally wasn't ready for the shot to go off.

[chaosworshipper]

MOBY... NOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[victam]

Excellent Range Safety.

[python471]

the guy shooting from the back looks like an anorexic chick

[CarDoseS]

dont loose your shoulder

[bozzsnozz]

Guy speaking sounds like jack black

[Thewestcoastshooter]

Nice video, i think the dude firing the mossy needs to get a little more protein tho.

[bigpapa45acp]

Sabo slugs are for rifled barrels!!! Use rifled slugs for smooth bore you will be surprised how well they work....

[boostinbildo]

Seems kinda pointless to test that ammo against a cardboard square... Shoot at something reactive!

[MmoComando]

ok..............so wheres the zombies?

[MrAzcabowabo]

i've never been deer hunting and i have the dumbest question on earth. When u use a slug shot gun do u just use the regular bead site or do u have rifle sites? What kind of ammo do u use? Hollow points? Now for maybe the dumbest question of all. Do people ever use buck shot to hunt deer or any other animal or is that more of a self def round? ANyone feel free to answer. Thx!

[iannash0000]

@MrAzcabowabo When you use a slug gun you need to use a shotgun scope 2-7X32 ,you can also use that type of scope on a muzzleloader,if your shotgun has a smooth bore barrel you need to use rifled slugs,if your gun has a rifled bore barrel then you need to use sabot slugs,for the deer hunting you can use slugs,buck shots which come in two sizes i beleive, the 000 and 00 and i do not know which one has biger pellets,also you can use all kind of rifles if your state let you use them for hunting.

[martinaee]

dead pixels lol... are you a photographer? hehe

[2BCBattlefield]

Woah

I guess zombies are fucked now :p

[TheSmackfan101]

i see dead pixels lol

[dragondook]

click click B-... pew?

[huntwithairguns]

Not much of a point in using sabot slugs in a smoothbore.

[PaleHorseWC2]

@huntwithairguns The sun never sets on a badass.

[huntwithairguns]

@PaleHorseWC2 what does that have to do with this?

[PaleHorseWC2]

@huntwithairguns Because, sadly, there is not much point in a lot of the cool things when it comes to shooting sports. 30 round mags, tactical accessories, military grade optics, sabot slugs in a smoothbore, few points in any of them, but they just make everything more badass. Why do I own more military-grade weapons than I have fingers and toes? Well, because its kinda bad-ass. And the sun never sets on a badass.

[huntwithairguns]

@PaleHorseWC2 True, but all I'm saying here is that sabot slugs cost more than rifled slugs and you will get better accuracy with a rifled slug out of a smoothbore...so its a waste of money.

[mafiajimmy]

wow! moby?

[GibbedHGR]

that shooter has terrible form, he dont even know proper way to hold a firearm

[mrrobotica]

What's the point of the heat shield. I've never got mine hot enough to make it neccesary.

[Rimes9845]

if he doesnt fuckin pull his head off the gun every time it wont jump around a much

[PAGS4747]

have you met my friend he is called sun you two should meet sometime

[daddydubbs]

wtf are you running sabot slugs through a smooth barrel. what a waste of money. know your ammo.

[Hatinonthehaters]

acog on a shotty... lol

[thorspinky]

How about you don't load a gun you don't know how to use? fuck sake!

[branka1121]

why are you shooting sabot slugs, which are meant to be shot out of a rifled barrel, from a smoothbore Saiga shotgun? If they made a rifled barrel for the Saiga then i would be shooting sabots all day but you are seriously wasting money. Rifled slugs are meant to be shot from a smoothbore shotgun to create a spin to increase distance. Sabots don't need to be rifled because they catch the rifling within the barrel, if you shoot one out of a smoothbore it gets no spin and tumbles through the air.

[JobForAGunXx]

He looks like a cross between a neo nazi and Dr. Venture from the venture bros.

[Jrhoney]

@JobForAGunXx Like the Dr. Venture after Dr. Killenger and his Magic Murder bag got involved and tried to make him a super villain.

[SiegfriedZ]

@JobForAGunXx i can see Dr Venture

[OGMENDOZA661]

im not verry into guns but what kind og mossberg is the 1st one?

[TheJohnny1965]

to bad he cant hit shit with it I would have pulled my 40.cal and dropped him were he stands...

[getemhi]

Don't tell me his shoulder isn't on fire. I KNOW IT IS!!

[tarichari]

Nice saiga how much you get that folding stock for?

[airsoftguy61]

what type of stock is the 1 on the mossberg

[jawbone83]

@airsoftguy61 its called a knoxx stock. you should be able to find them all over if you google it.

[airsoftguy61]

@jawbone83 thank you

[megageth89]

thumbs up for that shirt. lol.

[XRayXYZ]

How come those shots were so quiet?

[salleens7]

Whats the upside to using sabots over a normal rifle round?

[davism4a1]

dude there is no way u are grouping 1.5 inches at 230yds, a good bolt action rifle will hardly do that.

[davism4a1]

uhh no u cant u arent grouping 1.5 inch at 230 with slugs, sorry, a good rifle will shoot 1 in at 100yds but not 230, so i dont see how slugs could.

[desighnedmilitent]

@davism4a1 lol what is your definition of a good rifle? what caliber also? a 25-06 will give you 1 inch at 230 yards. im not even counting big bores like the 7 mm or the 308 lol not arguing but trying to know the reasoning behind your logic.

[Obeace]

aww hes such alil guy

[skuddusty]

Jack Black?

[arexp909]

hey what's on top of the mossberg??? just red dot??

[itchyisvegeta]

What is the range of a slug? Is it comparable to a conventional hunting rifle shooting a .223 or higher?

[Frankdude72]

@itchyisvegeta Nope. Range will be about 100 yards if you're a good shot.

Range will vary depending on slug design, gun design, whether the barrel is rifled or not, shooter skill, etc.

But 100 yards is a fair ballpark.

[MrDip02]

@Frankdude72 can't you reach further than 100 yards an hit your target if you have good accuracy

[deerslayer2446]

@Frankdude72 That slug will go 200-250 yards with a good scope and a fully rifled barel. I shot deer in the lungs at 250 with the partition golds. Smooth bore barrel anf these shoot like shit. Just thought I would set ya staight on the range of these slugs. At 230 yards I can group these at 1.5 inches.

[Frankdude72]

@deerslayer2446 I'm not disagreeing with you.

It's all contextual. Look at the variables I listed, they weren't specific to the circumstances you listed.

All I did was give a fair ballpark.

I've see a guy consistently hit steel at 500 yards with a Glock 27. Doesn't mean I'd tell a newbie that the Glock 27 he just bought is an acceptable gun for shooting those distances.

[deerslayer2446]

@Frankdude72 Ya got a point there

[SickKnowledge82]

@Frankdude72 good point, maximum range on a case by case assessment is much different than the effective range taken on average by the average shooter.

[78k5]

@deerslayer2446 I Call Bullshit! not on the distance the sabots can go but your capability to shoot 1.5 inch groups at 230yd

[MrAsundstrom]

@78k5 no kidding! especially since the slug itself is almost an inch!

[Ghost6971]

@deerslayer2446 1. thats a heavy load which means it will have a good drop 2. at about 150 the power decreases making the slug shake, which means it loses accuracy. and the slug itself from side to side is approx: 3/4" meaning u might hit 2 in a group and miss the rest thinking they hit in the same holes. and on the smoothbore being shit, the only thing a rifled barrel does in make the bullet spin creating more velocity and accuracy. a smoothbore can outshoot rifled at 50 yards anyday

[deerslayer2446]

@Ghost6971 I will agree that it will have a 2 in. drop and that it is a heavy load, but thats were it ends. A rifled barrel with a sabot spins the bullet and creates better accuracy because it stabilizes the bullet. Thats why if you have a helical twist in your fletching on an arrow, you have better accuracy. A sabot in a smooth bore will only tumble through the air and not be accurate. That why smooth bore shotguns use rifled slugs. This is what I use in my Remington 870

[Ghost6971]

@deerslayer2446 the gun i ue is a Rem 870 Express Magnum and i've fired many slugs and never have i, or anyone i know ever hit 1.5 in groups, or even 5 in groups for that matter at greater than 150. i'll never believe a shotgun can hold a 1.5" group at 230 unless i see it first hand. i'm not calling u a liar, but its unrealistic to me, but i could be wrong

[deerslayer2446]

@Ghost6971 I shoot that gun all the time. I understand that the seeing is believing. If I had a camera that could show the holes at 200 I would make a clip for you. No matter what gun or what scope you have, thats only 30% of shooting. Its all about the person behind the trigger. I may not keep 1 inch groups at 200 but I am accurate enough to take deer at 250 yards because I am comfortable with my skills in doing so. Rifled slugs are terrible past 100 yards, and sabots get better every year

[deerslayer2446]

@Ghost6971 I shoot the Winchester® Super-X Power Point Rifled Slugs. As far as a rifled barrel shotgun at 50 yards is more accurate the a smooth bore. thats a matter of opinion, but it is my OPINION that rifled barrel shotguns with a good scope and quality sabot will out shoot in accuracy, velocity, knock down power, and range any day. That is why all modern rifles are not smooth bores anymore. max range with my smooth bore 125 yrds. the rifled barrel mossberg 250 yards on deer 300 on paper.

[2066241]

@deerslayer2446 a smooth bore barrel and a sabot slug is about as accurate as throwing a handful of sand... You have to have a rifled barrel or choke tube to shoot a sabot slugs... And you CANNOT shoot a rifled slug through a rifled barrel there for smooth bore only.

[deerslayer2446]

@2066241 No shit you have to have a rifled barrel, if you read all my other comments, i put in it that the mossberg has a rifled slug and that if they were shot out of a smooth bore they are in accurate. Rifled slugs go through a smooth bore, this I know.

[deerslayer2446]

@itchyisvegeta , this slug can reach out farther then 100 yards! With a good scope, a fully rifled scope, and a quality shotgun, remington 870 is my favorite, and a good shooter, you can hit 200-250 yards with 1.5 inch groups. I have taken deer at 246 yards with the winchester partition golds and they have 1900 fps. And For any one who says I cant shoot that far with a slug, I will eventually get a camera and put it on youtube to make you happy!

[WhatsaUserName321]

thats not all he uses his right hand for..... haha

[RyeOnHam]

Eat a cheeseburger already.

[arexp909]

@RyeOnHam BUY HIM ONE!!!!!

[RyeOnHam]

@arexp909 Post a video of him eating a McDonalds double-cheeseburger, and I'll PayPal the money.

[arexp909]

@RyeOnHam lol....

[bikerD15]

I shot some sabots out of my saiga 12, man that thing can kick your ass. bruised for 3 weeks. fun as hell though :)

[codystafford]

Buddy needs some mass in his body and a little lean in his stance, didnt even look like he had the stock tight.

[Swecan76]

The Camera guy sound like Jack Black.

[nonu12]

@Swecan76 haha definitely

[gomythos]

Now one hand one with a Mossberg 500 18" pistol grip

[harshlens]

lol that is a lot of kick, i was afraid it was going to break his shoulder hihi =)

[ILIKETOKILLSQUIRREL]

god i hate people who dont know shit about guns

[Frankdude72]

God, I hate people who leave worthless comments becasue they think they know everything. =)

[tarheelskk]

@Frankdude72 isnt that what yours is?

[runhorun]

@Frankdude72 you got a beautiful shotty

[cs512tr]

lol i see dead pixels

;-)

[revolutionaryverse]

tiny tank shell

[micers]

Now clear, and then he checks the chamber...

[mulattoxbAby]

fuck yeah thats badass haha

[benitofinito]

Does the Saiga-12c use the body from a AK47?

[RaptorGP]

@benitofinito

You're right, AK was the father of Saiga.

[Frankdude72]

Essentially, Saiga-12s are 12 gauge AKs.

They're even made at Izhmash JSC, where the AK-47's inventor works.

However, there are necessary differences, so you couldn't just swap barrels and bolts and still use the same receiver ("body").

[demosthenets]

im jealous..... those are both the shotguns i want to own one day.

[spermyzskeet]

the saiga 12 intimidates lol

[Frankdude72]

serbmafioso3 is blocked so he can spend more time circle jerking with his buddies then eating the twinkie.

xialong123 is blocked as well.

My tolerance for people who want to come on my channel and bray about this and that like 13-year old girls is over.

Keep it civil. Period.

Make comments like a punk, get treated like a punk.

(Means being blocked, and possibly being made fun of.)

No more of this crap, ppl.

Either keep it civil or move the hell along.

[azorian2]

what did they do? where they from some anti firearm association and beeped u off?...gun nut. XD JK

[Frankdude72]

Nah, scroll down and look at serbmafioso's comment.

There was a whole page of back and forth "You suck!" "No, you suck!" written just like the comment of his I let stay up.

People who want to pull that garbage can go on someone else's channel.

[razgriz4977]

Lol, everyone has problems with the mags on the Saigas on their first try. You sound like me when I try and take my friend shooting XD

[psychoklown66]

You need a better stance and posture when shooting a 12 gauge.

[serbmafioso3]

fuckin pastey ass bitch you look like a fuckin queer

"its got some kick but my happy little knoxx sotck blew it away " hahahahaahah what a fuckin homo .......

[Frankdude72]

Lot of talk about homos and queers.

Must be trolling for a trip to Greece yourself... =-p

Bet you look for PnP on craigslist. ROFL

[Bjjownsu10]

@Frankdude72 Can slugs kill people?

[Frankdude72]

Is that a serious question?

[Bjjownsu10]

@Frankdude72 Does the military use slugs?

[Frankdude72]

I assume you mean the US military.

I'm sure some units have them in inventory.

I know some use frangible slugs as breaching rounds.

I don't have any more detailed information off the top of my head.

[Bjjownsu10]

@Frankdude72 Also are 10 gauge shotguns as self defense weapons?

[Frankdude72]

Sure, if you have a 10 gauge, use it.

But you're giving up capacity for increased recoil.

If you got a 12 or 20 gauge too, save the 10 gauge for the polar bear hunt.

[Bjjownsu10]

@Frankdude72 Another question can this type of slugs penetrate level 4 body armour?

[Frankdude72]

No.

Current NIJ standards have even IIIA body armor as slug proff.

BTW, Y all the questions? What is your end goal?

[Bjjownsu10]

@Frankdude72 Last question, even though you have body armor and you get shot with a shotgun, wouldn't the trauma caused by the power of the shotgun be enough to kill you?

[Frankdude72]

No.

Blunt trauma is real but overrated.

[InsightVidya]

@Bjjownsu10

Even with body armour getting shot with something small like a 9mm will feel like someone jabbing you REALLY hard with the pointy handle of a rolling pin.

Getting hit by a shotgun blast would be like copping a really fast baseball to the ribs, if not worse. So no, if your armour stops the pentration you won't die but you will certainly get bad bruising, if not broken bones.

[revolutionaryverse]

@InsightVidya thats what trauma plates are for :)

[jerseyemt]

@Bjjownsu10

If it were, it would also kill the shooter.

Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If the force of the projectile had enough energy to cause death even when spread over a large area (which is what body armor does), the recoil forces would be just as strong, killing the shooter.

[Bjjownsu10]

@jerseyemt You mean it will the one receiving the slug, because they shooter is not going to die by the recoil. But, you that know about shotguns, for self-defense buckshot is recommended over slugs right?

[jerseyemt]

@Bjjownsu10

No, I mean it would kill both the shooter and the shootee.

If a projectile has enough force to cause death without penetrating body armor (by blunt force alone), it would produce enough recoil forces to kill the shooter as well.

When you shoot a gun, you receive (through the force of the recoil impulse) the same amount of energy that the projectile has at the muzzle. Newton's 3rd Law.

And yes, in most defense situations, buckshot is recommended, but slugs still have their place.

[Bjjownsu10]

@jerseyemt

[Bjjownsu10]

@jerseyemt I have always wondered what an AA-12 with slugs would do?

[mad3nch1na]

@jerseyemt Your logic is sound, but your argument is flawed. Yes the force is transferred, but the force is from the shoulder, a non-vital part of the body. The round however, can land in a much more sensitive area, like the chest, abdomen, kidneys, and face. Also, the force for the shooter is distributed through a stock, which has a much higher surface area to dissipate force than the diameter of a slug. The PSI would be much higher for the receiving end, causing more damage.

[jordancn]

@jerseyemt Force= 1/2 mass x velocity squared. The mass of the "slug" or round is much lower than the mass of the weapon system as a whole. This is why the bullet travels much faster than the rifle does while in recoil. This is also why lower recoil is felt with heavier, bulkier rifles given that the ammunition calibre, weight of the bullet, and loads (powder charges) remain constant.

[jerseyemt]

@jordancn

Yes, force (actually, energy) = 0.5mv^2

This makes v = sqrt(E/0.5m)

A 5.56mm round, which fires a 4 gram projectile at 940 m/s has a muzzle energy of (0.5)(0.004 kg)(940 m/s)(940 m/s) = 1,767.2 J

The rifle has the same amount of energy applied in the opposite direction. An AR-15 weighing 4 kg would be accelerated to sqrt(1,767.2 J / (0.5)(4 kg)) = 29.7 m/s.

While *felt* recoil is generally less in heavier guns, the actual amount of energy applied to it in recoil remains constant.

[razgriz4977]

Nope, they just splat into a gooey mess, and they're easily countered by throwing salt on them.

>______>

[BaNO3]

gordon freeman at 0:37

[nasserthepalestinian]

skinny ass bitch get some muscle on you lol

[Pepsifx357]

Your probably right.

[Pepsifx357]

The Saiga 12 DOES NOT kick like that. He must be new to 12 gauge shottys. There is a company that is trying to make a rifled barrel for the SAIGA 12. I can't imagine. I'm no sabot expert, but that sounds to me like the SAIGA will get even better range and a MD 20 round mag to boot!

[hopecamel]

thats pretty cool it will no longer be a shotgun to me just an ak with realy big bullets lol jk it will be a sg ofcoures bad a badass shotgun

[chocolatecod]

putting on a few pounds will help you skinny waster

[Northhunt]

another faggit on youtube that cant shoot, he is obviosily scared by the gun, and for god sakes lean a little bit forward, will you, you look like an old femenist shooting, while taking a big dick!

[ArcJackal]

@Northhunt

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Seriously?

[harmongreer]

the group sucks because neither of those guns are rifled and the slugs are keyholing. seems to be a waste of high dollar ammo... shoot breneke or federal 11/4 oz rifled slugs instead.

[killaj870]

man that saiga is a recoil maker fuckin benelli is high quality

[Blanckmeister]

that saiga rocked that dudes spinal column... did you see his head jerk?

[MuayThaiReaper101]

I love the benelli M4 vs Saiga 12 thing cause look at the recoil from both, I shot the same sabot rounds in a M4...barely any recoil. the siaga really isnt that great of a gun. shitty recoil.. Benelli M4 best shotgun ever made!

[QYBXskipperX]

sabot slugs are meant for rifled shotgun barrels and that is why they specify weather the slug is rifled or not

[steelhorserider600]

Wow sorry dude but teach yor friend how to shoot before giving him live rounds

[fcpllagzalot]

i bet you learned to shoot with live rounds,all i was told was hold it like this and point at the can,take the safety off and squeeze the trigger.

[jagai]

yeah

[2skullscrushing]

no shit. doesnt even understand how a magazine goes on. he needs to eat some meat and potatoes just to hold still after the recoil. he looks to weigh about 95 pounds. lol

[BornToAssassinate]

Did you get that shirt from 6Dollarshirts??? I was gonna get it in vintage green!!!!

[Sh3pardMelody]

lol true

[rhyzx]

i like that safety first 1:44

[geniusiknowit]

cheek weld

[RgrRiffic]

I'm suprised that your grouping was even that good considering that you were using sabot slugs with a smoothbore barrel... Get a rifled barrel and then watch out..

[ponchoalonso14]

its over 9000!!!!!!!

[hawkdlb06]

wow he does sound a little like jack black, thats funny

[micbaca]

2000 FPS in a slug is freakin MOVING. what kind of ft-lbs are behind something like that? Damn. I'll bet that felt good getting shit kicked by the saiga......hahah.

[lexmark136]

around 3000 fpe with 3" slugs

considering a .22lr gives out around 120 fpe... that is nuts!

[daverocker1]

Where the hell did you get that number. A standard 22 lr cartridge has a muzzle velocity of around 1100 fps. Way off.

[lexmark136]

FPE and FPS are not the same thing :)

[daverocker1]

Ah. My bad.

[Jesses001]

It is FPE, Foot Pounds of Energy. In other words, how hard it hits.

[jake51515]

and the standard 00 buckshot FPE is around 175-190 per pellet. Now since some buckshot loads have rarely smaller than 9 pellets than multiply that by 9 and theres buckshot that's crazy! it's 1575-1710 but that's at a close range, i guess slugs are stronger than buckshot.

[sotik]

Shotguns never really do sound impressive on youtube. Got to remember that it is a most likely a crappy camcorder mic recording it and they aren't exactly known for their great audio quality.

[cheaphunter]

isn't the saiga a smooth bored shotgun? If so....why are sabot's being used in it and not rifled slugs? And about the shots not sounding loud on the vid is mainly due to the wind taking the sound immediately away, not that the mic isn't picking up the sound if it wasn't as windy you would hear shotgun reports. In my shooting vids when its windy my cam don't pick up the sound, but when its calm the sound is surprising if you're not expecting it. And a nerd shooting a gun is pretty funny to me.

[baconator490]

the mossberg mightve had a rifled barrel on it. but the saiga doesnt come with rifled barrels