Up to 20% girls and17% boys have been sexually abused something is clearly wrong with society's sexuality. When you understand the compulsion to repeat the trauma in people who have been abused and complex PTSD: dynamics of porn purchaser and actor start to make sense. I have worked with victims and perpetrators. People work through issues using extreme practices but taking pleasure, popularising practices that maim and hurt indicates a lack of empathy or traumatic re-enactment.
@susannreno I don't mind if somebody has something against the bad part of the porn industry because, like any other industry, the pornographic industry has it's dark sites like STD's, pregnencies, porn stars who regret their participation etc etc. But she has something against porn. And that is my problem with her. I mean I totally agree with anybody that thinks STD's and the other bad things that sometimes occur in pornography should be stopped, but there is nothing wrong with porn itself.
@susannreno She also rants on the extremity of some porn movies and exaggerates the amount of porn that contains these extreme acts. Some people like more hardcore sex, some people like SM, some people like regular sex... who is she to judge what kind of sex is wright or wrong?! Also, she does not even know the right definition of 'gonzo' for which she believes it's a synonym for 'hardcore pornography', what it's not. I could give you more examples of misrepresented facts and so, but you...
@susannreno ... might just want to look in the related vids bar for jordanowen42 who posted a series of videos in which he perfectly explains what is wrong with Gail Dines' speech she gave... it would save me allot of time ;)
The problems in society are endless. Porn as a viewing material can be very helpful and enjoyable. Yes it is well known porn can have a harmful effect on minors, but I think the people who probably suffer the most are the ones who actually choose porn as a career path for themselves. That industry is filled with drugs and some really shady individuals lol. Sadly I've met a few of them.
I wonder what her thoughts are on bondage/S&M; not in porn, but in people's personal lives. Is it wrong for sex and the need to/for debasement to be linked in that domain?
Yes Gail, those days are long gone. After seeing the Brazilian fart porn, sloppygirl, gonzo, and japanese girls puking in each others mouths, I can't go back to playboy.
There is a porn star that has been penetrated by nearly a thousand men within 24 hours at a gangbang contest at some porn convention in Poland. Went down in the records. This porn stuff is extreme, man. All this just reflects the secret mind of humanity.
This is what happens when a society tries to suppress sexuality and tries to make us into something we are not.
If young men and women don’t have a healthy Sex/Love life, they grow up mentally and emotionally deprived and twisted. And now, many kids who’ve never even kissed, are learning about sex via Hard Core Pornography! You cannot expect a normal society from this?
Listen from someone who was in the porn business..it is a ugly, hateful place where everyone is self hating and self serving and even the people left in the business admit to wasting their lives there. It is such a dark place where you do drugs to be able to even cope. To the porn voyeur, it's all fun and pictures....to the sex trade worker and porn insider the truth is the ugly ugly dark opposite.
@thegillotine09 You think that being in the sex trade/prostitute is the same as being a waitress or accountant? You think your making some clever astute and lofty leftist point but you have just really shown how gullible you are, how naive and uniformed you are about a industry that has convinced you that there is nothing wrong with it and there is something wrong with the people who oppose it. Yeah us moral radicals, whatever, go tell your mom to knob gobble your uncle on screen...!
Arguing against porn maybe highly debatable, but it's safe to assume a unanimous agreement that there is something trerribly wrong with modern-day porn.
We are raising a generation of sociopaths. The reality of the porn industry is that people become innured to the stimuli. Our sense of sexual attachment was intended to bind us psychologically to our partner. We need about 20yrs to properly raise the products (the children) of our sexual unions. When we in our adolescence become attached to porn images, we become innured to these images & we need new stimuli to a arouse us.
@thegillotine09: "Projection?" People who insist on talking about the weaknesses of others are fooling themselves about their own. I was trying to talk about the typical pathologies of age, which we all can hardly avoid participating in b/c of our intrinsically social nature. To modify the metaphor, we are all this one island together. But I hope you deal w/ whatever is eating you. Good luck w/ your life.
You talk a lot about "our sexuality" and how "we become attached to porn images" and how "we become innured" and how "We are raising a generation of sociopaths" (despite the fact that most people "brought up on porn" have been adults for some time). Are you saying that people who watch lesbian porn will no longer be aroused by lesbian porn after a while? Are we all slipping down the slope towards tranny midget BDSM watersports?
@thegillotine09: Why would one subject matter in porn exempt the viewer from its general effects? Taking something as intimate & foundational to our personality as our sexuality & using it as a commodity is so fundamentally degrading to our humanity, porn is intrinsically distructive, I'd say. Why would you even raise the issue of one subject matter over anotther? Does getting drunk on champaign, or beer, or cognac make any difference to the alcoholic?
What about taking something as foundational to your personality as your mind and using it as a commodity? What about selling your thoughts as a writer or a scientist or a professor? Are those just as bad as selling sex as a commodity? If not, why not? Is the mind not as important as sex? Furthermore, I don't use my sexuality as a commodity, so yet another misuse of "our".
In bringing up alcohol, are you also demanding that alcohol be banned?
We've been a "sick society" for generations. Have you seen 80's movies? They are MUCH more excessive than movies today. In fact, rape and sexual abuse rates have gone down.
Gail hit the nail on the head. what a smart cool lady! this issue really needs to be addressed as it is undermining women, and male/female relationships.
I can't believe the number of stupid women blaming porn for rape, it's like blaming banks for thieves or computers for viruses. There's a ton of gay porn also, but there's NO rape between gay men. Do you also blame violence in movies for violence in the streets? leave logic to women and that's what you get. Miserable desperate horrible women complaining all the time. Well done, you are indeed the parasites of this planet.
I tried to write a review on Amazon and all it shows is one review that says it is her own view and not based on facts. So I wonder if the porn industry has that much influence. At a corporate level that it can influence or is owned by same people that control large internet companies?
Thanks Gail for fighting the good fight despite all the confusion and castigation by those who just don't get it. Another girl was kidnapped and raped in my neighborhood yesterday, Denver news, 1 in 4 now has an STD linked to cancer, and we are now living in a rape and porn culture. While there's no going back to a world free of porn and sex for sale, we can educate and save many from being victims of this hideous predator in the form of the sex industry...there are still too many victims.
this lesbian simply hates men. All men. Don't buy her books, you are financing misandry, male bashing and man hatred. She hates all men period. Her book Pornland costs almost 30 dollars, you are financing her misandry. Porn is not and women. But in her feminist opinion, all men are bad, all women are as usual victims.
Does anyone ever wonder how far the feminist movement will go? I am a feminist and I truly believe that this woman is taking the views of equality and safety too far. At the end of the day whether she is correct about the porn industry's influence on the sex acts of society or not, when it involves 2 consenting adults then there is little potential for harm.
I asked porn video company to stop sending me emails with new products. Because I was now aware that 90% of prostitutes are victims of child abuse. The say we remove you from mailing list, but keep sending it, hoping to get me on bad day when I might buy some more DVD's
I'm a porn lova but I kind of agree with her on a mature level, these people that say that everything is ok with consequences need to shut up and get an education.
the awful comments about Gail's appearance just illustrates her point. What people need to realise is that porn ruins peoples relationships. People say that they can tell the difference between reality and fantasy but everything you see effects and shapes your subconscious in some way...advertising is a great example.
43 ppl are in denial....the truth will always piss ppl off...what this lady is saying is a very reasonable argument...i dont know why it angers so many ppl?
Completely agree. I don't get how so many people think these things have absolutely no impact on the pyschology of the people who watch it, or the people who are expected to live up to those images.
the porn industry developed because the ''normal''
sexuality between ''normal people'' wasnt and still isnt satisfyingggggggg!! and for this we should ask women why r they so difficult to be in a relationship.do they want money to do so??
I'm sick of women complaining about how "degrading" porn is. If you want a more compassionate style of porn....then YOU make it. Stop waiting for someone else to give you what you want. Make the porn YOU want to see
a lot of interesting and valid points are raised in this interview.in regards to mtv and soft porn , how ironic that porn sells us an experience we have with ourselves (masturbation) in the same way music sells us , what we already have (feeling liberated, a part of a community) but in both cases , by using lust ( be it of porn star or a rock star) as the driving force we actually fall out of love with our selves... can we masturbate without lust ? being human is being a star!
Cotton-brained Dines! Our cameras are rolling and our talent is fucking. The Pornocracy continues its irruption into the sex lives and aesthetic imagination of man and a woman kind. Your efforts are as the scuttling of a gnat before the cumming epoch. You and your kind will die off, replaced by a mardi-gras of trashy costumes, sleazy music and saucy looks. Here's one in the eye, Dines!
@quemacha Well, naturally she's traumatized. Here, a little poem shall illustrate: no pornographeeeee, that is not goddamn equaliteeeee! that is all wombyn-hate ther r no distinkshions 2 make men domeeenate wombyn on screen teaching others 2 do same thing and when wombyn dominate men it doesn't meeen the same thing 4 them men are not opressed u seee while wombyn ar yet 2 hav equalitee So, God just has to take it one step at a time. One step at a time.
Porn filmed by men, almost always directed by men,,,
This is obviously what men like...
Women are taught another way of thinking so they do not like it, through TV, through people like this lady. All must accept yourself as you are to find health, truth, freedom. Everyone who says something is bad is just making it worse.
All men know we want sex like this, so do most women inside the mind.. Why do the women avoid thier impulses?
book about, how fat people do not get laid like porn stars who are upset and cant figure out the problem.
Upset is the first 1,
the second is thier thoght process.
3rd is, they watched so much porn they cant get off anymore.
Most people who are mean, evil, and hateful can not meet a partner because they hate themselfs inside also. Cant be skinny if you think your fat, cant be pretty if you think your not. Eat better to be attractive? No body wants an overwieght parnter, we all know this.
What a crock of horseshit! I got an idea, how about Gail Dines gets her silly ideas off the porn photo or video stage, out of the bedroom of private citizens and let people do what they want. Treat people like adults making adult decisions instead of nanny Dines to the rescue whenever people are having sex on film or in their bedroom and mind her own business. I dare her to tell gays how to have sex too, I'll bet she has an opinion about that.
This woman has a totally binary view on men and porn. ie men who watch = bad person, men who don't watch porn = good person. If it wasn't such a tragically simplistic view it would be funny. I'm also deeply suspicious of people who stand behind moral pulpits (priests anyone?) and preach - in Gail Dine's case, she watches hour after hour of porn through half-closed fingers whilst feigning disgust - a la Mary Whitehouse. Do you think MD is envious of those PornStars she's trying to "emancipate"?
i dont understand what this female is talking about. men define women's morality. who is this female to preach her morality to others? this female is ugly and has never been desired by men, so she has a problem with any beautiful girl that men lust after. women want to be dominated, and if anyone disagrees with me, you're fooling yourself. women are genetically designed to be dominated sexually.
i agree with much of what your saying but porn has genres, you go on one of the 3 major porn sites you have up to 20 categories, only maybe 3 are degrading under rough,bondage ect.
About the young boys, they will see older girls at their school dressing provocatively, things on tv and then explore more, its not because of the internet, its because of the way our society is, the internet is just a means to explore with more freedom. Cheers anyway.
I'm a pornogrpaher so I have an additional perspective compared to most viewers and I have to say that the only flaw in Gail's analysis is that she doesn't distinguish between the various kinds and degrees of porn. I agree with her that porn is the default sex educator of young men and the vast majority of it is extremely negative in its portrayal of the role of women in sex. Ethical pornogrpahers will make porn that's just as sexy but promotes healthy values. I do.
hahaha every single one of the comments say what i was thinking after watching this. i dont think i have ever seen such unification on a youtube message board before
The problem with Gail Dines is that she is intellectually dishonest. Some of the biggest sex sites on the internet are very soft porn ('art' porn, even), there is a massive gay porn industry & plenty of 'fem dom' porn where the men are on the receiving end as well as a lot of porn sites run by women. She ignores all of this & tries to tell her audience to that the niche that is into debasement of women represents the whole. She has no hesitation in misrepresenting the facts to make her point.
@SAHBfan " She ignores all of this & tries to tell her audience to that the niche that is into debasement of women represents the whole. " I disagree. I don't set out to look for gonzo porn but if I visit one of the large free porn sites, there is no question that I will see links and thumbnails of that kind of porn - like, kind of a lot. And even if you look in something like a "teen" category, there is a very good chance one of the samples will describe the girl as stupid or mock her, etc.
"I don't set out to look for gonzo porn but if I visit one of the large free porn sites, there is no question that I will see links and thumbnails of that kind of porn"
Visit met-art or Hegre or Fem-Joy (Three of the biggest porn sites on the net) and you will NOT, not unless your browser picks up links not connected to the sites.
Go into a hardcore site and you will, but it is only one niche, expect also links to Gay and Femdon sites - hardcore pornpgraphers offer whatever sells.
@SAHBfan On the other hand, I am not assaulted by images of gay sex or men being abused by women. I know its out there, but its not plastered everywhere you look.
"On the other hand, I am not assaulted by images of gay sex or men being abused by women. I know its out there, but its not plastered everywhere you look."
You are not not assulted by images of hardcore gonzo / debasement of women porn 'everywhere you look' either, You go searching for it. It may be easy to find, but there are many other types of porn, just as easy to find - my point was that when Dines represents it as the norm and ignores everything else - she is being dishonest..
@BohemianBlasphemy Shes is not criticizing sex, shes criticizing the industrial product of porn, the industrialization of a natural human desire and how it Destroys your natural individuality of your own personal desires and instead regurgitating it back to you as a product which fucks up your mind and renders you useless as sexual being, making you unable to find satisfaction in the normal act of sex. You become a useless addict.
No matter how degrading it is, the sluts take the money, knowing quite well what is going to happen to them. Women choose to be in this industry, not forced.
What sick f**k comes up with an ATM, sick and twisted. the government knows what has been going on for decades they just don't want to help because its expensive. The women are societies throwaways. the american government has no morals.
Yet Dr. Dines is exploiting her definition of "Pornography" to sell her book. So far the only commentary I've heard from her is about heterosexual pornography involving a female and male actors. Why hasn't she explored how harmful gay porn may be? I doubt very much that all pornography is as violent as the type she explored, or moreover the type she likes to dwell on in her book.
you the one thats sexist if a man has sex with more than one women its ok cause hes a man but if a women dare to express her sexuality in the same way suddenly shes being dehumanized and shes a whore. has it never occured to you that the women who do porn enjoy it. because they do. and banishing porn it just another way to take away our freedom to do what we want. its always the ugly ones that do the protesting... if you dont like it dont watch it ;the end.
I do NOT oppose her cause in general but: 6:16 is not true. there are many girls out there, who have subtle ways of of conveying sexuality and beauty without being considered a slut. BUT how many girls are out there, who use their beauty and sexual power NOT to be nice, but rather to indulge in their sexual power and intimidate shy, dumb, ugly men like me simply by being unkind and proud. Everyday I see a dozen of them, and THEY representing women as well! I quit porn. now it's their turn...
it's because you can't dress like those sexy girls, you bash them? you look like you're wearing a potato bag. That is defenitely not a standard for how women should look like.
@whowantstogetnaked you look like you're wearing a potato bag. That is defenitely not a standard for how women should look like.
`` your NEED to insult the speaker denotes your immaturity.
" a standard for how women should look like." your OPINION formed in all your 25 years of deciding what is the "standard" women should to look like to stimulate your masturbatory exercises holds NO value in thediscussion of porn.
Gay males are exploited same as women; macho male power tripping. Cup fits u ?
@sophiah88 I am NOT insulting her. I think that's what it looks like. Yeah okay so women shouldn't look like 2 dollar hookers, but nobody said they shouldn't take care of themselves and wear nice attractive clothing. It's called having an image.
Women are most harmed through porn because they are objectified almost beyond all recognition.In porn,the female has always been the object of the male viewer’s attention;she is strictly an extension of his fantasy,a tool to get him off. This is why the feminine subversion of porn is especially feministic.We are beginning an era when power in the porn industry is being defined by the new recognition of an old truth: there is no porn without women.
@iamdeathmarine arsepiffle. and do you mean complaining about sex or complaining about pornography? just so you know, there is a difference between the two ; )
This is a very important study and book. More people need to become aware and proactive in stopping the progress of the porn industry. Women need to become more vocal and real men need to take a stand against this violent, degrading behavior towards women.
@Griotfilms Women need to become more vocal and real men need to take a stand against this violent, degrading behavior towards women.
`` Hear, Hear ! Emphasizing female AND male genitalia,relegating breasts to sex objects disconnects people from the RITUAL BEAUTY of the sex act. Seminars attended by CHOICE explaining the procreation and pleasurable aspects of sexual interactions should be avail to above 16 years age.Guidance in making wise choices &using birth control are vital to stop overpop.
I feel ashamed in my own sex each time I see a woman in film shows breasts...I mean...a real love is between two people, and you can explains love, describe it in words. No need to undress in order to do this in front of huge crowds. So, I find the film industry responsible to needless acts of 'love'. Just as much as they need MORE VIOLENCE, MORE ABUSE. MORE SEX. A film about genuine love usually don't show nude, but narration of poetry in existence(like some French films)etc...
@ChaosDynamics The sad part is that a Hollywood actor or actress gets paid more money then that. Btw, look at the statistics of porn online. If they're just acting, why are so many diseases being spread around?
Her arguments are good until 8:50, when she speciously says porn watchers “need greater and greater levels of cruelty, of brutality.” There’s no evidence this occurs in any but the rarest of sick individuals.
She then says at 9:00 that depiction of activities by multiple men and of women drinking from cups show “greater and greater levels of cruelty.” False. Men are typically fascinated by this only when women do it voluntarily and appear to enjoy it.
@jwillfilms False. Men are typically fascinated by this only when women do it voluntarily and appear to enjoy it.
`` Porn addicts and violent behavior actors have stated they are "overwhelmingly turned on" when a female says no or fights them off or they WATCH a female being forced. No proof but I SUSPECT that also is true with those who defile children and I have heard G,L,T,A. people tell of being FORCED by maniacal thugs who get HIGH on resistance and refusal.Forced sex is a POWER TRIP.
I have grown up with internet porn and I do find the "dehumanization" of women in porn boring. but the idea that I am more obsessed with cruel acts against women is ridiculous. How about real romance? We do have the right to define our own sexuality, but I wouldn't blame porn, I'd blame the terrible education people get when it comes to critical thinking. With out skills in critical thinking people eat what is served to them instead of questioning the ingredients and demanding something better.
She is right on. More people need to see this video.
I have 3 daughters, and it scares me to think about what their sexual experiences will be like as a result of the effects of porn. Porn is redefining sex and sexuality to disturbing levels. I call Porn "Visual Crack for Men" because of it's addictive qualities.
"pornography today is based on the dehumanization of women"
BULLSHIT. Absolute fucking BULLSHIT. I'm calling it out.
I've watched a plethora of pornography in my time and I can tell you now; 80% of hetrosexual porn involves the following: 1 man and 1 woman having sex. Just because pornography exists that dehumanizes women - doesn't mean that ALL pornography should be banned. This is a moot argument.
AND REGARDLESS of whether it dehumanizes women or not - it's irrelevant. Mainstream porn is consensual. That means both parties AGREE to have sex; if a woman doesn't like having two men at the same time - THEN SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO.
You insinuate that because women are submissive in porn it's going to suddenly affect society's attitude towards women. Honey; porn, just like all visual media; REFLECTS modern society, not orchestrate it.
@T800System very naive statement to say 'reflects' it not orchestrates. Advertisers do not spend billions of dollars each year 'reflecting' culture, they aim to shape it and they do so successfully. The increase in women getting labiaplasty, breast surgery, body waxing is linked to porn. Women are more likely to get breast implants if their husbands watch porn.
@eppinee so what? People are more likely to smoke if they see their friends smoke-- does that mean it should be banned? Listen; I don't give a shit if you find pornography distasteful - it's the individuals right to have sex on camera and publish it for free viewing. You don't have to watch it if you don't want to - and if you feel insecure about your own body after watching it; then you're stupid. That's where the buck stops. It's the consumer's responsibility.
@T800System Of course people should have the right to have sex and put on camera and even profit from it, the problem is protection of workers in the industry. Agreeing and consenting to having sex does not mean you relinquish your rights as an individual, and very often a scene goes way out of hand because the director/producer takes it in a direction the actors did not expect. Once stark cold capitalism is at work you have no problem with it?
I have a problem with people who disingenuously misrepresent something to suit their own agenda which is what you're quite tactfully doing here. You cannot simply conclude that all porn is bad because some of the people/companies manufacturing it are exploiting their actors/actresses. I put it to you that your position is one of ignorance.
@eppinee You're not alone. Even some people in the industry are dismayed at the direction mainstream porn is taking. I applaud you for standing up for your principles even on this site, some of the people you're trying to influence here are too busy enjoying fapping off to retarded scenarios on their computer screen they haven't the intuition to care what actually goes on behind the scenes.
I care just like anyone when harmless sex turns into abuse - and that's why in such cases the offender gets PROSECUTED (e.g. Mad Max). At the end of the day, these women who are being "subjugated" and "belittled" (as you would have it) by porn are still taking the money offered to them for it; and they still continue producing porn. ---
--- and for that reason alone the integrity of your argument is completely shattered; because it testifies to the fact that this is indeed consensual sex.
--- and for that reason alone the integrity of your argument is completely shattered; because it testifies to the fact that this is indeed consensual sex.
It's not the dehumanisation of women collectively its the dehumanisation of one person who CONSENTED TO IT. Get that into your fucking head. People enjoy being submissive - it's a fetish..
@T800System The market ploy used by the most violent porn out there ( which has been making it into mainstream quite steadily) IS the dehumanization, exploitation and humiliation of women. The same trend exists even in gay porn. You need only look at the advertising tags or the description of scenes which have misogynistic overtones. You're ignoring the obvious.
Well then in that case you have a problem with individual cases of pornography. I suspect that you are lobbying for all porn to be banned; which is just ridiculous. Let me make it clear that I take no issue with you when it comes to a person being exploited by a director - and I completely accept that it is possible -- but like I said, these are isolated incidents and should not and DO NOT justify outlawing the industry as a whole.
@oxygirl777 Erotica is generally termed as material which emphasizes intimacy, a mutual love (or at least deep care) between two people, and a sense of connection and tenderness. I suppose as an example, something like a demonstration of 'the Kama Sutra' would be considered erotica. Porn does not feature intimacy, love, or equality (the root word 'pornos' means 'prostitute'). It is a distorted and simplified version of one of life's greatest complexities reduced to mere commercialism.
@theyellowchameleon no it doesn't. The root word is pornographia which is greek literally means "writing about or drawings of harlots." Actually research would have told you that.
@matthewlane The first part of the word 'pornography' what I was referring to in mye earlier post. Obviously the second part of the word has a different meaning. You are being picky.
Some of the studies which have shown a correlation (please note I did not say causation) between aggressive porn and altered perceptions of violence are Edward C. Nelson (1982), Neil M. Malamuth & James P. Check (1981), Linz, Donnerstein & Penrod (1984).
@theyellowchameleon Studies showing correlation, thats not much of a position to argue from. Correlation need not have anything to do with Causation. Thats like arguing that a person who plays football, enjoys football, so the cause of him playing football, must stem from his enjoyment of watching football, hence all people who watch football enjoy playing football & the more football one watchs the more football they must obviously play. Those studies don't back up the argument that porn isevil
@matthewlane you are trying to compare spefic studies done on pornography and violence with football now? These studies were not done on the general topic of enjoying porn, they were done by showing men pornographic material and measuring their responses to that material. Correlations were found between the men watching the material and having an altered response to sexual violence different to the responses they had before watching it.
@matthewlane Obviously more studies need to be done on the effects of pornography etc, but it does not seem at all 'harmless' (even if it was in the context of the study) that men viewed sexual aggression with abhorrence before watching aggressive porn, and then watched the aggressive porn and then viewed sexual aggression as less serious than before they watched it. Sure, porn is not the cause of the world's problems by a long shot. But that doesn't mean it cannot be harmful for some people.
@theyellowchameleon yes, but your ignoring the part in the same study that showed that there acceptance to the violence returned to base line at the end of viewing & before the next set of viewings... like i said simple research is simple.
@theyellowchameleon The word Pornography has been lifted completely from the greek word pornographia. pornographia is the base word. Porn is the abbreviated version. The word Porn has nothing to do with the word Prostitution.
@oxygirl777 Ok, i'm not going to bother arguing this with you in this format. You are wrong, but you are painting an entire industry as evil, by the most extreme cases. Its no different then me saying lets ban all cars, because somebody was killed in a car accident, when someone was hooning around.
@oxygirl777 Show me you research. If not your only putting forward your opinion. As for it being a way for affirming patriarchal behavior towards vulnerable groups, thats bullshit. You've jumped from "porn is bad" to "victimhood of women" feminist rhetoric. Some porn may be bad, but all porn is not. I'd say you should check abbywinters, as a prime example of you being wrong, but i know you wont, as you're not really interested in actual research.
@oxygirl777 Its not a matter of semantics at all. Somebody who is mentally ill is somebody with a diagnosed mental illness, where as someone with underlying metal health issues is somebody who is depressed because a relative has died, or has no underlying support structure in there life. Thats a major difference. As for porn being a major offender in sterortyping, you seem to be painting with that broad brush again. Saying porn is sterotypical is like saying cars kill people.
@oxygirl777 I'd like to see your data on that, becuae i believe you are wrong. I watch TV, does that mean i am going to seek out more and more harsh TV shows? Also there isn't a cottage industry dealing with porn addiction.
in fact some porn does expresses patriarchal domination of adults, but not all of it. Take Abbywinters for example. Porn made by women, with an entire production team of women. Good healthy sexual exploration. You can't paint with such a broard brush. All porn is not equal
@matthewlane Not everyone may become addicted to pronography, but over time, pornography has a slow, detrimental effect on people's perception of sexuality. It is the cultivation theory. There are many, many studies on this, if you want to have a look at some, there is book by George Gerbner et al called "Violence and Terror in the Media: An Annotated Bibliography". I think that people here must have different views of what degradation is.
@theyellowchameleon I am actually aware of cultivation theory. Problem with that is that everyone would have to not only be watching porn for 4 hours a day, it would also have to be exactly the same type of porn & everyone would have to watch it for years, which is not the case. Porn has no clinically proven detrimental effect on peoples perception of sexuality, in the majority.
@matthewlane there are still effects for the less-than-heavy users of porn, too. Some of the studies I have read were done with particular types of porn, such as porn with violence (hitting in particular) and a subsequent higher tolerance toward sexual violence.
@theyellowchameleon No you haven't. This is another one of those mysterious studies that people create to back up there beliefs. People do not take social cues from porn unless they already have underlying issues... Its part of the Pornographic Cultivation Theory that has yet to show conclusive results for the negative impact of viewing softcore porn.
@oxygirl777 ok, i said people with underlying mental health problems, not mentally ill, there is a difference. Porn propogates no more -isms then any other form of entertainment & porn is erotica, so i would agree that you don't know much about it.
@oxygirl777 If you find "normal" (which i'll define as softcore) porn to be problematic, i think you may in fact have a generally negative/prudish view of sex. There is nothing wrong with non-violent erotica & is a health expression of desire, as is masturbation.
@oxygirl777 Porn is not highly addicting. There is no evidence that one can get anymore addicted to porn, then one can get to brushing ones teeth & turning the lights on and off 8 times. People who get addicted to porn already have underlying mental health problems. You may actually want to look at numerous outside sources on both ends of the spectrum before you claim all porn to be bad.
@oxygirl777@matthewlane No, i'm pretty sure we have the same standard for what is degrading. The difference is, how much of it we think exists. You think its common place, i think its a particular kink that has a particular market, who is in the minority. Porn however has been seen to have a place in healthy sexual relationships, and is actually suggested by psychatrists & medical sex professionals.
@oxygirl777 No such thing as the average internet porn site... Each porn site has a particular style, with many different kinks being available. Some of it is violent and degrading, doesn't mean most of it is. Secondly, its not upto you to censor the internet for anyone, let alone children. Its the responsibility of the parent to moderate what a child does and does not see. Porn can infact be part of a health sexual relationship between two consenting adults.
I'm totally against this type of pornography, the kind that dehumanizes women. Teaches kids its okay to be a degenerate wife beating fuck.
But as for totally being against pornography... hell no. Seriously, I love pornography. Usually the only people I meet who hate porn, fit into that group of jaded grumpy fucks who can't hear anything I'm saying all the way back in the 1950's, who only like missionary with the lights off. (Gee.... what fun) Die.
The world of lust today has certainly let to misleading the generation of tomorrow, and has led millions blinded in this wheel of trivial suffering. May ignorance be uprooted with wisdom, lust with generosity, and hatred with compassion. May all sentient beings be happy.
I used to work a lot with children. And of course i am still young myself and so far basically every kid i asked said that they watch a lot of porn (and the children i asked where between 6-8 years old). Also their vocabulary has become extremely vulgar - so vulgar that their vocabulary is much more vulgar than any of the vulgar words in this video. Also they basically start having sexual intercourse once they hit puberty or even before. But of course their parents wouldn't believe any of that.
@Supenmanu : I know Western society is declining rapidly but this is just unheard of. 6-8 year olds watching porn regularly? WTF?!? Where do you live and what kind of job did you do that allowed you to gain this particular knowledge?!?
@OutOfTheBoxThinker: I lived in a big city in Germany near the brothels and had a bookstore next to a an elementary school. Most of the kids parents worked 12 hours a day. So in the after noon they where supposed to stay at the school but they just ditched it and hung around in the streets. But when it was raining they would often visit my store and help me out with the books. So yeah, maybe it was because of the location. I now have a store in the countryside and it's a bit better here.
imho the problem is that sexuality is mechanized. ppl dont know anymore what sexuality is for. how can sexuality satisfy. many ppl dont know that sexualitys most important role besides reproduction is satisfying of two very important desires of human being. desire to "be good" and desire to be loved.
if u use sex to give to ur partner enjoyment u feel good and right because what u do is good.
if ur partner do it for u, u feel being loved.
elseway sex is unsatisfying &u will try to go further
"The average age of viewing pornography is 11.5 years old." To which i cry Bullshit! I'm opposed to the level of perversity your talking about, but not much of the porn out there is like that. Also i'd like to point out that Lolita wasn't about pedophillia as much as it was about one mans descent into madness. Your paint with a very broard and inaccurate brush.
Actually the softcore stuff has been shown to be the higher selling form of porn, with reality porn of companies like abby winters becoming much more popular then porn that denegrates women.
I thought this was about porn not about how you look it always seems like some unatractive person talking about how bad porn is than about how you look its always been about how you look from the begining thats human nature everyone likes beauty and fat ugly people have always worried about how they look wether porn was nasty or wether you were that little kid in the fifties looking at your dads play boy that just showed a womans thigh so please who cares
Up to 20% girls and17% boys have been sexually abused something is clearly wrong with society's sexuality. When you understand the compulsion to repeat the trauma in people who have been abused and complex PTSD: dynamics of porn purchaser and actor start to make sense. I have worked with victims and perpetrators. People work through issues using extreme practices but taking pleasure, popularising practices that maim and hurt indicates a lack of empathy or traumatic re-enactment.
mintoff2574 4 days ago
She is a professor? The incoherence, misrepresented facts, generalisations and every other fallacies you can think of are astonishing.
tommyXBOX360 4 months ago
@tommyXBOX360--You are just outing yourself as a porn consumer. Dines is very articulate, and it is certainly threatening to porn consumers.
susannreno 3 months ago
@susannreno I don't mind if somebody has something against the bad part of the porn industry because, like any other industry, the pornographic industry has it's dark sites like STD's, pregnencies, porn stars who regret their participation etc etc. But she has something against porn. And that is my problem with her. I mean I totally agree with anybody that thinks STD's and the other bad things that sometimes occur in pornography should be stopped, but there is nothing wrong with porn itself.
tommyXBOX360 3 months ago
@susannreno She also rants on the extremity of some porn movies and exaggerates the amount of porn that contains these extreme acts. Some people like more hardcore sex, some people like SM, some people like regular sex... who is she to judge what kind of sex is wright or wrong?! Also, she does not even know the right definition of 'gonzo' for which she believes it's a synonym for 'hardcore pornography', what it's not. I could give you more examples of misrepresented facts and so, but you...
tommyXBOX360 3 months ago
@susannreno ... might just want to look in the related vids bar for jordanowen42 who posted a series of videos in which he perfectly explains what is wrong with Gail Dines' speech she gave... it would save me allot of time ;)
tommyXBOX360 3 months ago 2
The problems in society are endless. Porn as a viewing material can be very helpful and enjoyable. Yes it is well known porn can have a harmful effect on minors, but I think the people who probably suffer the most are the ones who actually choose porn as a career path for themselves. That industry is filled with drugs and some really shady individuals lol. Sadly I've met a few of them.
sigurjong 4 months ago
I wonder what her thoughts are on bondage/S&M; not in porn, but in people's personal lives. Is it wrong for sex and the need to/for debasement to be linked in that domain?
tubehstnr 5 months ago
Yes Gail, those days are long gone. After seeing the Brazilian fart porn, sloppygirl, gonzo, and japanese girls puking in each others mouths, I can't go back to playboy.
IndividualParties 6 months ago
There is a porn star that has been penetrated by nearly a thousand men within 24 hours at a gangbang contest at some porn convention in Poland. Went down in the records. This porn stuff is extreme, man. All this just reflects the secret mind of humanity.
CognitionPrime 6 months ago
This is what happens when a society tries to suppress sexuality and tries to make us into something we are not.
If young men and women don’t have a healthy Sex/Love life, they grow up mentally and emotionally deprived and twisted. And now, many kids who’ve never even kissed, are learning about sex via Hard Core Pornography! You cannot expect a normal society from this?
RBLA818 6 months ago
very interesting thanks for posting!!
FORSAKENLOVE32 7 months ago
Watch her get raked over the coals on penn and teller bullshit! war on porn episode, her poor logic is perfectly on display
omgwtfbbqstfu 7 months ago
@potyunbe Youre an idiot
mssmartmeat 7 months ago
Listen from someone who was in the porn business..it is a ugly, hateful place where everyone is self hating and self serving and even the people left in the business admit to wasting their lives there. It is such a dark place where you do drugs to be able to even cope. To the porn voyeur, it's all fun and pictures....to the sex trade worker and porn insider the truth is the ugly ugly dark opposite.
killyrboyfriend 7 months ago
@killyrboyfriend
Your description of the porn business also fits for the following businesses:
Trucking
Accounting
Politics
Law
Restaurant Service
Acting
Telemarketing
and more
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 You think that being in the sex trade/prostitute is the same as being a waitress or accountant? You think your making some clever astute and lofty leftist point but you have just really shown how gullible you are, how naive and uniformed you are about a industry that has convinced you that there is nothing wrong with it and there is something wrong with the people who oppose it. Yeah us moral radicals, whatever, go tell your mom to knob gobble your uncle on screen...!
killyrboyfriend 6 months ago
@killyrboyfriend
You call me a leftist while supporting a self-described communist. You're hilarious.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
Arguing against porn maybe highly debatable, but it's safe to assume a unanimous agreement that there is something trerribly wrong with modern-day porn.
Suiton1 7 months ago
We are raising a generation of sociopaths. The reality of the porn industry is that people become innured to the stimuli. Our sense of sexual attachment was intended to bind us psychologically to our partner. We need about 20yrs to properly raise the products (the children) of our sexual unions. When we in our adolescence become attached to porn images, we become innured to these images & we need new stimuli to a arouse us.
VictorLepanto 7 months ago
@VictorLepanto You talk a lot about "us". Speak for yourself.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09: "No man is an island." -John Donne
VictorLepanto 6 months ago
@VictorLepanto
That has nothing to do with you projecting your own weakness onto others.
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09: "Projection?" People who insist on talking about the weaknesses of others are fooling themselves about their own. I was trying to talk about the typical pathologies of age, which we all can hardly avoid participating in b/c of our intrinsically social nature. To modify the metaphor, we are all this one island together. But I hope you deal w/ whatever is eating you. Good luck w/ your life.
VictorLepanto 6 months ago
@VictorLepanto
You talk a lot about "our sexuality" and how "we become attached to porn images" and how "we become innured" and how "We are raising a generation of sociopaths" (despite the fact that most people "brought up on porn" have been adults for some time). Are you saying that people who watch lesbian porn will no longer be aroused by lesbian porn after a while? Are we all slipping down the slope towards tranny midget BDSM watersports?
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09: Why would one subject matter in porn exempt the viewer from its general effects? Taking something as intimate & foundational to our personality as our sexuality & using it as a commodity is so fundamentally degrading to our humanity, porn is intrinsically distructive, I'd say. Why would you even raise the issue of one subject matter over anotther? Does getting drunk on champaign, or beer, or cognac make any difference to the alcoholic?
VictorLepanto 6 months ago
@VictorLepanto
What about taking something as foundational to your personality as your mind and using it as a commodity? What about selling your thoughts as a writer or a scientist or a professor? Are those just as bad as selling sex as a commodity? If not, why not? Is the mind not as important as sex? Furthermore, I don't use my sexuality as a commodity, so yet another misuse of "our".
In bringing up alcohol, are you also demanding that alcohol be banned?
thegillotine09 6 months ago
@thegillotine09 "most people brought up on porn have been adults for some time." And look at the Sick Society we've become.
RBLA818 6 months ago
@RBLA818
We've been a "sick society" for generations. Have you seen 80's movies? They are MUCH more excessive than movies today. In fact, rape and sexual abuse rates have gone down.
thegillotine09 6 months ago 8
Gail hit the nail on the head. what a smart cool lady! this issue really needs to be addressed as it is undermining women, and male/female relationships.
uranusisnotfunny 8 months ago
I can't believe the number of stupid women blaming porn for rape, it's like blaming banks for thieves or computers for viruses. There's a ton of gay porn also, but there's NO rape between gay men. Do you also blame violence in movies for violence in the streets? leave logic to women and that's what you get. Miserable desperate horrible women complaining all the time. Well done, you are indeed the parasites of this planet.
PerfectWoman2 8 months ago
I tried to write a review on Amazon and all it shows is one review that says it is her own view and not based on facts. So I wonder if the porn industry has that much influence. At a corporate level that it can influence or is owned by same people that control large internet companies?
SOUPRUN01 8 months ago
Thanks Gail for fighting the good fight despite all the confusion and castigation by those who just don't get it. Another girl was kidnapped and raped in my neighborhood yesterday, Denver news, 1 in 4 now has an STD linked to cancer, and we are now living in a rape and porn culture. While there's no going back to a world free of porn and sex for sale, we can educate and save many from being victims of this hideous predator in the form of the sex industry...there are still too many victims.
StopPornSaveLove 8 months ago
this lesbian simply hates men. All men. Don't buy her books, you are financing misandry, male bashing and man hatred. She hates all men period. Her book Pornland costs almost 30 dollars, you are financing her misandry. Porn is not and women. But in her feminist opinion, all men are bad, all women are as usual victims.
PerfectWoman2 9 months ago
giving you a thumbs up Gail
Orlando2Vegas 9 months ago
Who is the more oppressed and degraded- those made slaves via force, or those who enslave themselves willingly?
eljagg01 9 months ago
Does anyone ever wonder how far the feminist movement will go? I am a feminist and I truly believe that this woman is taking the views of equality and safety too far. At the end of the day whether she is correct about the porn industry's influence on the sex acts of society or not, when it involves 2 consenting adults then there is little potential for harm.
iroxurworld21 9 months ago
I asked porn video company to stop sending me emails with new products. Because I was now aware that 90% of prostitutes are victims of child abuse. The say we remove you from mailing list, but keep sending it, hoping to get me on bad day when I might buy some more DVD's
SOUPRUN10 9 months ago
I can't fap to this!
Oct195 9 months ago
I'm a porn lova but I kind of agree with her on a mature level, these people that say that everything is ok with consequences need to shut up and get an education.
erdal0 9 months ago
the awful comments about Gail's appearance just illustrates her point. What people need to realise is that porn ruins peoples relationships. People say that they can tell the difference between reality and fantasy but everything you see effects and shapes your subconscious in some way...advertising is a great example.
missymoo03 9 months ago
43 ppl are in denial....the truth will always piss ppl off...what this lady is saying is a very reasonable argument...i dont know why it angers so many ppl?
koala8 9 months ago
@Gilboa86 That's...a wonderful argument.
blacktigerpaw1 9 months ago
Yes, Porn is a mega-business that uses what is most vulnerable about us for profit and desensitization.
"Change happens when people collectively fight for it"
Thank you Gail.
shodashi108 10 months ago
Completely agree. I don't get how so many people think these things have absolutely no impact on the pyschology of the people who watch it, or the people who are expected to live up to those images.
Good for you, Gail.
CriminalQueer 10 months ago
well we ve seen how u determined your sexuality!
the porn industry developed because the ''normal''
sexuality between ''normal people'' wasnt and still isnt satisfyingggggggg!! and for this we should ask women why r they so difficult to be in a relationship.do they want money to do so??
get this.
umkalzum 11 months ago
I'm sick of women complaining about how "degrading" porn is. If you want a more compassionate style of porn....then YOU make it. Stop waiting for someone else to give you what you want. Make the porn YOU want to see
theheatofthemoment 11 months ago
@ParisSpleen74 Need to pick a fight with someone? whats wrong, is your ego not full enough today?
Seems all you do is pick on people, look at your other comments. Do you do this in public also? Do you get punched in the face alot? I bet you do.
Do you have any balls to come over to my place and say it in my face? I will email you my address punk.
Do something besides stir up anger? No body likes you because of this attitude of yours, figure it out?
Too busy Watching TV and acting like it?
RobMonty248 1 year ago
a lot of interesting and valid points are raised in this interview.in regards to mtv and soft porn , how ironic that porn sells us an experience we have with ourselves (masturbation) in the same way music sells us , what we already have (feeling liberated, a part of a community) but in both cases , by using lust ( be it of porn star or a rock star) as the driving force we actually fall out of love with our selves... can we masturbate without lust ? being human is being a star!
damienguitar 1 year ago
pornocalypse
670Kiester 1 year ago
i saw a documentary on free speech tv that had gail dines in it. i feel so evil. :(
OpakeArawra2 1 year ago
Everyone, I love all your comments, keep 'em coming. I've laughed myself to tears on some of them. "Air-tight", hah!
Phew... Alright, back to some ultra-depraved porn that would put a nun in a coma.
paperbed 1 year ago
Cotton-brained Dines! Our cameras are rolling and our talent is fucking. The Pornocracy continues its irruption into the sex lives and aesthetic imagination of man and a woman kind. Your efforts are as the scuttling of a gnat before the cumming epoch. You and your kind will die off, replaced by a mardi-gras of trashy costumes, sleazy music and saucy looks. Here's one in the eye, Dines!
Renno45 1 year ago
@Renno45
If God is a woman, what is her opinion of images of women bound, gagged, beaten and tortured?
quemacha 1 year ago
Renno45 1 year ago
@quemacha
Ah, sorry. The comment format fucked up my pretty poem.
Renno45 1 year ago
@Renno45
troglodyte
ParisSpleen74 1 year ago
Porn filmed by men, almost always directed by men,,,
This is obviously what men like...
Women are taught another way of thinking so they do not like it, through TV, through people like this lady. All must accept yourself as you are to find health, truth, freedom. Everyone who says something is bad is just making it worse.
All men know we want sex like this, so do most women inside the mind.. Why do the women avoid thier impulses?
Fear?
Fear of what?
Sex is not a romance novel.
RobMonty248 1 year ago
book about, how fat people do not get laid like porn stars who are upset and cant figure out the problem.
Upset is the first 1,
the second is thier thoght process.
3rd is, they watched so much porn they cant get off anymore.
Most people who are mean, evil, and hateful can not meet a partner because they hate themselfs inside also. Cant be skinny if you think your fat, cant be pretty if you think your not. Eat better to be attractive? No body wants an overwieght parnter, we all know this.
RobMonty248 1 year ago
What a crock of horseshit! I got an idea, how about Gail Dines gets her silly ideas off the porn photo or video stage, out of the bedroom of private citizens and let people do what they want. Treat people like adults making adult decisions instead of nanny Dines to the rescue whenever people are having sex on film or in their bedroom and mind her own business. I dare her to tell gays how to have sex too, I'll bet she has an opinion about that.
anikinippon 1 year ago
@plissken83 Spot on
BIGIFANDYELLOWCARD 1 year ago
Can someone please define what porn is?
Entropy56 1 year ago
This woman has a totally binary view on men and porn. ie men who watch = bad person, men who don't watch porn = good person. If it wasn't such a tragically simplistic view it would be funny. I'm also deeply suspicious of people who stand behind moral pulpits (priests anyone?) and preach - in Gail Dine's case, she watches hour after hour of porn through half-closed fingers whilst feigning disgust - a la Mary Whitehouse. Do you think MD is envious of those PornStars she's trying to "emancipate"?
Fentoradore 1 year ago
i dont understand what this female is talking about. men define women's morality. who is this female to preach her morality to others? this female is ugly and has never been desired by men, so she has a problem with any beautiful girl that men lust after. women want to be dominated, and if anyone disagrees with me, you're fooling yourself. women are genetically designed to be dominated sexually.
tripopish 1 year ago
i agree with much of what your saying but porn has genres, you go on one of the 3 major porn sites you have up to 20 categories, only maybe 3 are degrading under rough,bondage ect.
About the young boys, they will see older girls at their school dressing provocatively, things on tv and then explore more, its not because of the internet, its because of the way our society is, the internet is just a means to explore with more freedom. Cheers anyway.
Jonnyman120 1 year ago
I don't care about what happens to the porn stars just as long as it is voluntary and i get to watch quality fuckin'.
TimeLord361 1 year ago
I'm a pornogrpaher so I have an additional perspective compared to most viewers and I have to say that the only flaw in Gail's analysis is that she doesn't distinguish between the various kinds and degrees of porn. I agree with her that porn is the default sex educator of young men and the vast majority of it is extremely negative in its portrayal of the role of women in sex. Ethical pornogrpahers will make porn that's just as sexy but promotes healthy values. I do.
seaswallowme 1 year ago
hahaha every single one of the comments say what i was thinking after watching this. i dont think i have ever seen such unification on a youtube message board before
whitestripes2012 1 year ago
The problem with Gail Dines is that she is intellectually dishonest. Some of the biggest sex sites on the internet are very soft porn ('art' porn, even), there is a massive gay porn industry & plenty of 'fem dom' porn where the men are on the receiving end as well as a lot of porn sites run by women. She ignores all of this & tries to tell her audience to that the niche that is into debasement of women represents the whole. She has no hesitation in misrepresenting the facts to make her point.
SAHBfan 1 year ago 6
@SAHBfan " She ignores all of this & tries to tell her audience to that the niche that is into debasement of women represents the whole. " I disagree. I don't set out to look for gonzo porn but if I visit one of the large free porn sites, there is no question that I will see links and thumbnails of that kind of porn - like, kind of a lot. And even if you look in something like a "teen" category, there is a very good chance one of the samples will describe the girl as stupid or mock her, etc.
gn0m0n 5 months ago
@gn0m0n
"I don't set out to look for gonzo porn but if I visit one of the large free porn sites, there is no question that I will see links and thumbnails of that kind of porn"
Visit met-art or Hegre or Fem-Joy (Three of the biggest porn sites on the net) and you will NOT, not unless your browser picks up links not connected to the sites.
Go into a hardcore site and you will, but it is only one niche, expect also links to Gay and Femdon sites - hardcore pornpgraphers offer whatever sells.
SAHBfan 5 months ago
@SAHBfan On the other hand, I am not assaulted by images of gay sex or men being abused by women. I know its out there, but its not plastered everywhere you look.
gn0m0n 5 months ago
@gn0m0n
"On the other hand, I am not assaulted by images of gay sex or men being abused by women. I know its out there, but its not plastered everywhere you look."
You are not not assulted by images of hardcore gonzo / debasement of women porn 'everywhere you look' either, You go searching for it. It may be easy to find, but there are many other types of porn, just as easy to find - my point was that when Dines represents it as the norm and ignores everything else - she is being dishonest..
SAHBfan 5 months ago
Shut the fuck up, you self-righteous, self-appointed police of other's sexuality.
BohemianBlasphemy 1 year ago 2
@BohemianBlasphemy Shes is not criticizing sex, shes criticizing the industrial product of porn, the industrialization of a natural human desire and how it Destroys your natural individuality of your own personal desires and instead regurgitating it back to you as a product which fucks up your mind and renders you useless as sexual being, making you unable to find satisfaction in the normal act of sex. You become a useless addict.
mssmartmeat 7 months ago
@mssmartmeat
Porn does not such things.
BohemianBlasphemy 7 months ago 3
@mssmartmeat "the industrialization of a natural human desire"
Would you similarly criticize the mass production of food?
thegillotine09 6 months ago
No matter how degrading it is, the sluts take the money, knowing quite well what is going to happen to them. Women choose to be in this industry, not forced.
ScienceIsKnowledge 1 year ago 3
What sick f**k comes up with an ATM, sick and twisted. the government knows what has been going on for decades they just don't want to help because its expensive. The women are societies throwaways. the american government has no morals.
minaroar 1 year ago 3
Yet Dr. Dines is exploiting her definition of "Pornography" to sell her book. So far the only commentary I've heard from her is about heterosexual pornography involving a female and male actors. Why hasn't she explored how harmful gay porn may be? I doubt very much that all pornography is as violent as the type she explored, or moreover the type she likes to dwell on in her book.
Theodoric33 1 year ago
GROSS! ARE YOU TRYING TO LOOK AS UNATTRACTIVE AS POSSIBLE?! I NEVER WANNA SEE YOU IN PORN!
GAKRAC 1 year ago
Why is it that only stupid ugly cows always protest? Shut your mouth and get back into the kitchen.
Dominus357 1 year ago
the all 3 hole penetration? it's called Air Tight
OnThatPowder 1 year ago
you the one thats sexist if a man has sex with more than one women its ok cause hes a man but if a women dare to express her sexuality in the same way suddenly shes being dehumanized and shes a whore. has it never occured to you that the women who do porn enjoy it. because they do. and banishing porn it just another way to take away our freedom to do what we want. its always the ugly ones that do the protesting... if you dont like it dont watch it ;the end.
micap20078 1 year ago
I do NOT oppose her cause in general but: 6:16 is not true. there are many girls out there, who have subtle ways of of conveying sexuality and beauty without being considered a slut. BUT how many girls are out there, who use their beauty and sexual power NOT to be nice, but rather to indulge in their sexual power and intimidate shy, dumb, ugly men like me simply by being unkind and proud. Everyday I see a dozen of them, and THEY representing women as well! I quit porn. now it's their turn...
popkocher 1 year ago
it's because you can't dress like those sexy girls, you bash them? you look like you're wearing a potato bag. That is defenitely not a standard for how women should look like.
whowantstogetnaked 1 year ago
@whowantstogetnaked you look like you're wearing a potato bag. That is defenitely not a standard for how women should look like.
`` your NEED to insult the speaker denotes your immaturity.
" a standard for how women should look like." your OPINION formed in all your 25 years of deciding what is the "standard" women should to look like to stimulate your masturbatory exercises holds NO value in thediscussion of porn.
Gay males are exploited same as women; macho male power tripping. Cup fits u ?
sophiah88 1 year ago
@sophiah88 I am NOT insulting her. I think that's what it looks like. Yeah okay so women shouldn't look like 2 dollar hookers, but nobody said they shouldn't take care of themselves and wear nice attractive clothing. It's called having an image.
whowantstogetnaked 1 year ago
Women are most harmed through porn because they are objectified almost beyond all recognition.In porn,the female has always been the object of the male viewer’s attention;she is strictly an extension of his fantasy,a tool to get him off. This is why the feminine subversion of porn is especially feministic.We are beginning an era when power in the porn industry is being defined by the new recognition of an old truth: there is no porn without women.
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sophiah88 1 year ago
@sophiah88 umm it's called gay porn. no women in that.
whowantstogetnaked 1 year ago
LOL! All the people complaining about sex are ugly fucking bitches with no sex lives of their own.
iamdeathmarine 1 year ago
@iamdeathmarine arsepiffle. and do you mean complaining about sex or complaining about pornography? just so you know, there is a difference between the two ; )
emmalinabear 1 year ago
All this video made me want to do was go watch some porn. ATM ftw!!!
FreeTheGhetto 1 year ago
your down buttons don't work
Keither9 1 year ago
Outstanding video.
WarRogers 1 year ago
she is ~right
aerobique 1 year ago
This is a very important study and book. More people need to become aware and proactive in stopping the progress of the porn industry. Women need to become more vocal and real men need to take a stand against this violent, degrading behavior towards women.
Griotfilms 1 year ago
@Griotfilms Women need to become more vocal and real men need to take a stand against this violent, degrading behavior towards women.
`` Hear, Hear ! Emphasizing female AND male genitalia,relegating breasts to sex objects disconnects people from the RITUAL BEAUTY of the sex act. Seminars attended by CHOICE explaining the procreation and pleasurable aspects of sexual interactions should be avail to above 16 years age.Guidance in making wise choices &using birth control are vital to stop overpop.
sophiah88 1 year ago
I feel ashamed in my own sex each time I see a woman in film shows breasts...I mean...a real love is between two people, and you can explains love, describe it in words. No need to undress in order to do this in front of huge crowds. So, I find the film industry responsible to needless acts of 'love'. Just as much as they need MORE VIOLENCE, MORE ABUSE. MORE SEX. A film about genuine love usually don't show nude, but narration of poetry in existence(like some French films)etc...
ladydawn1973Eternity 1 year ago
@ChaosDynamics The sad part is that a Hollywood actor or actress gets paid more money then that. Btw, look at the statistics of porn online. If they're just acting, why are so many diseases being spread around?
roguegirl29 1 year ago
Her arguments are good until 8:50, when she speciously says porn watchers “need greater and greater levels of cruelty, of brutality.” There’s no evidence this occurs in any but the rarest of sick individuals.
She then says at 9:00 that depiction of activities by multiple men and of women drinking from cups show “greater and greater levels of cruelty.” False. Men are typically fascinated by this only when women do it voluntarily and appear to enjoy it.
Please stick to the evidence.
jwillfilms 1 year ago
@jwillfilms False. Men are typically fascinated by this only when women do it voluntarily and appear to enjoy it.
`` Porn addicts and violent behavior actors have stated they are "overwhelmingly turned on" when a female says no or fights them off or they WATCH a female being forced. No proof but I SUSPECT that also is true with those who defile children and I have heard G,L,T,A. people tell of being FORCED by maniacal thugs who get HIGH on resistance and refusal.Forced sex is a POWER TRIP.
sophiah88 1 year ago
Get over it.
Times change.
Get back in the kitchen
runepkr855 1 year ago
@runepkr855 i know
SlimeTron5000 1 year ago
I have grown up with internet porn and I do find the "dehumanization" of women in porn boring. but the idea that I am more obsessed with cruel acts against women is ridiculous. How about real romance? We do have the right to define our own sexuality, but I wouldn't blame porn, I'd blame the terrible education people get when it comes to critical thinking. With out skills in critical thinking people eat what is served to them instead of questioning the ingredients and demanding something better.
morganseathomson 1 year ago 3
someone help i watched too much porn and now im gay, also a rapist
DaKewlJamal 1 year ago
She is right on. More people need to see this video.
I have 3 daughters, and it scares me to think about what their sexual experiences will be like as a result of the effects of porn. Porn is redefining sex and sexuality to disturbing levels. I call Porn "Visual Crack for Men" because of it's addictive qualities.
kldavis14 1 year ago
00:54 that's called getting air tight
OnThatPowder 1 year ago
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OnThatPowder 1 year ago
Honestly though, who heard ass to mouth closed youtube and cracked one off? lol
enoxib 1 year ago
"pornography today is based on the dehumanization of women"
BULLSHIT. Absolute fucking BULLSHIT. I'm calling it out.
I've watched a plethora of pornography in my time and I can tell you now; 80% of hetrosexual porn involves the following: 1 man and 1 woman having sex. Just because pornography exists that dehumanizes women - doesn't mean that ALL pornography should be banned. This is a moot argument.
T800System 1 year ago
AND REGARDLESS of whether it dehumanizes women or not - it's irrelevant. Mainstream porn is consensual. That means both parties AGREE to have sex; if a woman doesn't like having two men at the same time - THEN SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO.
You insinuate that because women are submissive in porn it's going to suddenly affect society's attitude towards women. Honey; porn, just like all visual media; REFLECTS modern society, not orchestrate it.
T800System 1 year ago
@T800System very naive statement to say 'reflects' it not orchestrates. Advertisers do not spend billions of dollars each year 'reflecting' culture, they aim to shape it and they do so successfully. The increase in women getting labiaplasty, breast surgery, body waxing is linked to porn. Women are more likely to get breast implants if their husbands watch porn.
eppinee 1 year ago 8
@eppinee so what? People are more likely to smoke if they see their friends smoke-- does that mean it should be banned? Listen; I don't give a shit if you find pornography distasteful - it's the individuals right to have sex on camera and publish it for free viewing. You don't have to watch it if you don't want to - and if you feel insecure about your own body after watching it; then you're stupid. That's where the buck stops. It's the consumer's responsibility.
T800System 1 year ago
@T800System Of course people should have the right to have sex and put on camera and even profit from it, the problem is protection of workers in the industry. Agreeing and consenting to having sex does not mean you relinquish your rights as an individual, and very often a scene goes way out of hand because the director/producer takes it in a direction the actors did not expect. Once stark cold capitalism is at work you have no problem with it?
ayanna2070 1 year ago
@ayanna2070
I have a problem with people who disingenuously misrepresent something to suit their own agenda which is what you're quite tactfully doing here. You cannot simply conclude that all porn is bad because some of the people/companies manufacturing it are exploiting their actors/actresses. I put it to you that your position is one of ignorance.
T800System 1 year ago
@eppinee You're not alone. Even some people in the industry are dismayed at the direction mainstream porn is taking. I applaud you for standing up for your principles even on this site, some of the people you're trying to influence here are too busy enjoying fapping off to retarded scenarios on their computer screen they haven't the intuition to care what actually goes on behind the scenes.
ayanna2070 1 year ago 6
@ayanna2070
that was a dig at me, right? How very subtle.
I care just like anyone when harmless sex turns into abuse - and that's why in such cases the offender gets PROSECUTED (e.g. Mad Max). At the end of the day, these women who are being "subjugated" and "belittled" (as you would have it) by porn are still taking the money offered to them for it; and they still continue producing porn. ---
T800System 1 year ago
--- and for that reason alone the integrity of your argument is completely shattered; because it testifies to the fact that this is indeed consensual sex.
T800System 1 year ago
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--- and for that reason alone the integrity of your argument is completely shattered; because it testifies to the fact that this is indeed consensual sex.
T800System 1 year ago
@T800System dehumanising is irrelevant?? there is no point in discussing these issues with someone who minimises the dehumanisation of women.
eppinee 1 year ago
@eppinee
It's not the dehumanisation of women collectively its the dehumanisation of one person who CONSENTED TO IT. Get that into your fucking head. People enjoy being submissive - it's a fetish..
T800System 1 year ago
@T800System The market ploy used by the most violent porn out there ( which has been making it into mainstream quite steadily) IS the dehumanization, exploitation and humiliation of women. The same trend exists even in gay porn. You need only look at the advertising tags or the description of scenes which have misogynistic overtones. You're ignoring the obvious.
ayanna2070 1 year ago
@ayanna2070
Well then in that case you have a problem with individual cases of pornography. I suspect that you are lobbying for all porn to be banned; which is just ridiculous. Let me make it clear that I take no issue with you when it comes to a person being exploited by a director - and I completely accept that it is possible -- but like I said, these are isolated incidents and should not and DO NOT justify outlawing the industry as a whole.
T800System 1 year ago
id wank over her anyday
THEMATTBUXTON 1 year ago 2
@oxygirl777 Erotica is generally termed as material which emphasizes intimacy, a mutual love (or at least deep care) between two people, and a sense of connection and tenderness. I suppose as an example, something like a demonstration of 'the Kama Sutra' would be considered erotica. Porn does not feature intimacy, love, or equality (the root word 'pornos' means 'prostitute'). It is a distorted and simplified version of one of life's greatest complexities reduced to mere commercialism.
theyellowchameleon 1 year ago
@theyellowchameleon no it doesn't. The root word is pornographia which is greek literally means "writing about or drawings of harlots." Actually research would have told you that.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@matthewlane The first part of the word 'pornography' what I was referring to in mye earlier post. Obviously the second part of the word has a different meaning. You are being picky.
Some of the studies which have shown a correlation (please note I did not say causation) between aggressive porn and altered perceptions of violence are Edward C. Nelson (1982), Neil M. Malamuth & James P. Check (1981), Linz, Donnerstein & Penrod (1984).
theyellowchameleon 1 year ago
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theyellowchameleon 1 year ago
@theyellowchameleon Studies showing correlation, thats not much of a position to argue from. Correlation need not have anything to do with Causation. Thats like arguing that a person who plays football, enjoys football, so the cause of him playing football, must stem from his enjoyment of watching football, hence all people who watch football enjoy playing football & the more football one watchs the more football they must obviously play. Those studies don't back up the argument that porn isevil
matthewlane 1 year ago
@matthewlane you are trying to compare spefic studies done on pornography and violence with football now? These studies were not done on the general topic of enjoying porn, they were done by showing men pornographic material and measuring their responses to that material. Correlations were found between the men watching the material and having an altered response to sexual violence different to the responses they had before watching it.
theyellowchameleon 1 year ago
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matthewlane 1 year ago
@matthewlane Obviously more studies need to be done on the effects of pornography etc, but it does not seem at all 'harmless' (even if it was in the context of the study) that men viewed sexual aggression with abhorrence before watching aggressive porn, and then watched the aggressive porn and then viewed sexual aggression as less serious than before they watched it. Sure, porn is not the cause of the world's problems by a long shot. But that doesn't mean it cannot be harmful for some people.
theyellowchameleon 1 year ago
@theyellowchameleon yes, but your ignoring the part in the same study that showed that there acceptance to the violence returned to base line at the end of viewing & before the next set of viewings... like i said simple research is simple.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@theyellowchameleon The word Pornography has been lifted completely from the greek word pornographia. pornographia is the base word. Porn is the abbreviated version. The word Porn has nothing to do with the word Prostitution.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 Ok, i'm not going to bother arguing this with you in this format. You are wrong, but you are painting an entire industry as evil, by the most extreme cases. Its no different then me saying lets ban all cars, because somebody was killed in a car accident, when someone was hooning around.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 That is not a strawman argument. Fuck i hate people who claim things are a strawman argument, when they are not.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 Show me you research. If not your only putting forward your opinion. As for it being a way for affirming patriarchal behavior towards vulnerable groups, thats bullshit. You've jumped from "porn is bad" to "victimhood of women" feminist rhetoric. Some porn may be bad, but all porn is not. I'd say you should check abbywinters, as a prime example of you being wrong, but i know you wont, as you're not really interested in actual research.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 Also you lose any argument where you cite wikipedia as a source.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 Its not a matter of semantics at all. Somebody who is mentally ill is somebody with a diagnosed mental illness, where as someone with underlying metal health issues is somebody who is depressed because a relative has died, or has no underlying support structure in there life. Thats a major difference. As for porn being a major offender in sterortyping, you seem to be painting with that broad brush again. Saying porn is sterotypical is like saying cars kill people.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 I'd like to see your data on that, becuae i believe you are wrong. I watch TV, does that mean i am going to seek out more and more harsh TV shows? Also there isn't a cottage industry dealing with porn addiction.
in fact some porn does expresses patriarchal domination of adults, but not all of it. Take Abbywinters for example. Porn made by women, with an entire production team of women. Good healthy sexual exploration. You can't paint with such a broard brush. All porn is not equal
matthewlane 1 year ago
@matthewlane Not everyone may become addicted to pronography, but over time, pornography has a slow, detrimental effect on people's perception of sexuality. It is the cultivation theory. There are many, many studies on this, if you want to have a look at some, there is book by George Gerbner et al called "Violence and Terror in the Media: An Annotated Bibliography". I think that people here must have different views of what degradation is.
theyellowchameleon 1 year ago
@theyellowchameleon I am actually aware of cultivation theory. Problem with that is that everyone would have to not only be watching porn for 4 hours a day, it would also have to be exactly the same type of porn & everyone would have to watch it for years, which is not the case. Porn has no clinically proven detrimental effect on peoples perception of sexuality, in the majority.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@matthewlane there are still effects for the less-than-heavy users of porn, too. Some of the studies I have read were done with particular types of porn, such as porn with violence (hitting in particular) and a subsequent higher tolerance toward sexual violence.
theyellowchameleon 1 year ago
@theyellowchameleon No you haven't. This is another one of those mysterious studies that people create to back up there beliefs. People do not take social cues from porn unless they already have underlying issues... Its part of the Pornographic Cultivation Theory that has yet to show conclusive results for the negative impact of viewing softcore porn.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 ok, i said people with underlying mental health problems, not mentally ill, there is a difference. Porn propogates no more -isms then any other form of entertainment & porn is erotica, so i would agree that you don't know much about it.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 If you find "normal" (which i'll define as softcore) porn to be problematic, i think you may in fact have a generally negative/prudish view of sex. There is nothing wrong with non-violent erotica & is a health expression of desire, as is masturbation.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 Porn is not highly addicting. There is no evidence that one can get anymore addicted to porn, then one can get to brushing ones teeth & turning the lights on and off 8 times. People who get addicted to porn already have underlying mental health problems. You may actually want to look at numerous outside sources on both ends of the spectrum before you claim all porn to be bad.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 @matthewlane No, i'm pretty sure we have the same standard for what is degrading. The difference is, how much of it we think exists. You think its common place, i think its a particular kink that has a particular market, who is in the minority. Porn however has been seen to have a place in healthy sexual relationships, and is actually suggested by psychatrists & medical sex professionals.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@oxygirl777 No such thing as the average internet porn site... Each porn site has a particular style, with many different kinks being available. Some of it is violent and degrading, doesn't mean most of it is. Secondly, its not upto you to censor the internet for anyone, let alone children. Its the responsibility of the parent to moderate what a child does and does not see. Porn can infact be part of a health sexual relationship between two consenting adults.
matthewlane 1 year ago
I'm totally against this type of pornography, the kind that dehumanizes women. Teaches kids its okay to be a degenerate wife beating fuck.
But as for totally being against pornography... hell no. Seriously, I love pornography. Usually the only people I meet who hate porn, fit into that group of jaded grumpy fucks who can't hear anything I'm saying all the way back in the 1950's, who only like missionary with the lights off. (Gee.... what fun) Die.
GeneralHoohah 1 year ago
The world of lust today has certainly let to misleading the generation of tomorrow, and has led millions blinded in this wheel of trivial suffering. May ignorance be uprooted with wisdom, lust with generosity, and hatred with compassion. May all sentient beings be happy.
1543fiitl 1 year ago
I used to work a lot with children. And of course i am still young myself and so far basically every kid i asked said that they watch a lot of porn (and the children i asked where between 6-8 years old). Also their vocabulary has become extremely vulgar - so vulgar that their vocabulary is much more vulgar than any of the vulgar words in this video. Also they basically start having sexual intercourse once they hit puberty or even before. But of course their parents wouldn't believe any of that.
Supenmanu 1 year ago
@Supenmanu : I know Western society is declining rapidly but this is just unheard of. 6-8 year olds watching porn regularly? WTF?!? Where do you live and what kind of job did you do that allowed you to gain this particular knowledge?!?
OutOfTheBoxThinker 1 year ago
@OutOfTheBoxThinker: I lived in a big city in Germany near the brothels and had a bookstore next to a an elementary school. Most of the kids parents worked 12 hours a day. So in the after noon they where supposed to stay at the school but they just ditched it and hung around in the streets. But when it was raining they would often visit my store and help me out with the books. So yeah, maybe it was because of the location. I now have a store in the countryside and it's a bit better here.
Supenmanu 1 year ago
imho the problem is that sexuality is mechanized. ppl dont know anymore what sexuality is for. how can sexuality satisfy. many ppl dont know that sexualitys most important role besides reproduction is satisfying of two very important desires of human being. desire to "be good" and desire to be loved.
if u use sex to give to ur partner enjoyment u feel good and right because what u do is good.
if ur partner do it for u, u feel being loved.
elseway sex is unsatisfying &u will try to go further
ILoveSoImAlive 1 year ago
"The average age of viewing pornography is 11.5 years old." To which i cry Bullshit! I'm opposed to the level of perversity your talking about, but not much of the porn out there is like that. Also i'd like to point out that Lolita wasn't about pedophillia as much as it was about one mans descent into madness. Your paint with a very broard and inaccurate brush.
matthewlane 1 year ago
@matthewlane -_-
blacktigerpaw1 9 months ago
Actually the softcore stuff has been shown to be the higher selling form of porn, with reality porn of companies like abby winters becoming much more popular then porn that denegrates women.
matthewlane 1 year ago
I Hate Pornos!!!!
33DKludeee 1 year ago
What about Gay porn???
mtfune 1 year ago
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Powerhousewanted 1 year ago
I thought this was about porn not about how you look it always seems like some unatractive person talking about how bad porn is than about how you look its always been about how you look from the begining thats human nature everyone likes beauty and fat ugly people have always worried about how they look wether porn was nasty or wether you were that little kid in the fifties looking at your dads play boy that just showed a womans thigh so please who cares
crikdawg 1 year ago