Secrets of Homeopathy III

[tybrady64]

Nice videos. Can you site any independent double blind controlled studies? A friend of mine does not believe in it and mentioned this.

[MrAJEESH0007]

ya homeopathy is excellent

[DrNancyMalik]

Real is scientific homeopathy. It cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails. Evidence-based modern homeopathy is a nano-medicine bringing big results for everyone

[MrSonicAdvance]

All you have to do is prove it works. If it works, predictably, measurably and consistantly, then it will be quickly accepted. I know a lot of people SAY it works but that's not really reliable evidence.

The greatest advocates of Homeopathy are those who make money from it or related pseudo-scientific products.

[Bandershot]

@MrSonicAdvance WHat a hypocrite! It has been proven, IN US DISTRICT COURT! You're the one who needs to test it, not me or anyone else. Manufacture and sale of homeopathic meds is gov't regulated. You have to prove otherwise to change the legal status they enjoy. Meanwhile, the manufacturers of the drugs that compete with homeopathics have been CONVICTED of RICO. That's RACKETEERING! You are part of a black propaganda campaign against homeopathy to discredit and destroy it. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!.

[MrSonicAdvance]

@Bandershot If you could prove it was true, it would be medicine, not "alternative" medicine. The cosy chat and friendly beside manner works, not the little placebo vial of water.

[Bandershot]

@MrSonicAdvance Then how do you explain the now almost ubiquitous presence of these products on shelves of US pharmacies? Is it public demand, or is there real science behind it? If you dig deeper you'll find surprising answers to pierce your illusion. For instance, Google Am J Pharm Educ. 2007 February 15; 71(1): 07 Johnson "Where Does Homeopathy Fit in Pharmacy Practice?" Compare that with racketeering CONVICTIONS of the mfg.'s of YOUR toxic medicine that's more harmful than effective!

[MrSonicAdvance]

@Bandershot I don't have to explain anything. I don't have to prove anything. I'm not selling this scam, YOU are. Conventional medicine is proven to work, that's the difference between real medicine and your magic water.

[OregonHerbalist]

@Bandershot Mr. Sonic is an AGENT of Disinformation!

[kevinjohnmorris]

Erudite and scathing of your lame critics as ever. The denialists have used the lamest of reasons why homoeopathy doesn't work. That it does scares many of them sh**less. You know full well the history of homoeopathy is littered with figures who set out to prove homoeopathy wrong but had both the intellect and the intellectual honesty to become converts when they realised that they couldn't manage it.

It goes without saying that the intellectual pygmies below are made of punier stuff!

[crusaders36]

First thing that comes to mind is Jacques Benveniste's highly acclaimed study that when put to the test, failed miserably.

[Bandershot]

@crusaders36 Benveniste did not discover the basophil degranulation test. His was a replication. 2nd) The b.d. test is the most replicated biochemical test for homeopathy. There are 5 others types, neutrophils, non cellular systems, etc., all which have been replicated. Google "Inhibition of basophil activation by histamine: a sensitive and reproducible model for the study of the biological activity of high dilutions." Sainte-Laudy J, Belon P

[Bandershot]

@crusaders36 Now let me point something out to you before I shut downt he discussion on this, because its gettingto be tedious, responding tothe same stupid disinformation over and over again. Put your own assumptions about what you think to the test before you making them about others. Read up on the subject before commenting.

[crusaders36]

@Bandershot Why would you shut down discussion? Whats wrong with a little criticism? Do you only have one sided debates via youtube video?

[crusaders36]

Show me a properly done and replicate-able double-blinded study that has shown homeopathy to have more than a placebo affect in humans... You cant.

[Bandershot]

@crusaders36 "Homeopathic vs Conventional Treatment of Vertigo

A Randomized Double-blind Controlled Clinical Study" Michael Weiser, MBC; Wolfgang Strösser, MD, MBC; Peter Klein, MS

Arch Otolaryngol Head Neck Surg. 1998;124:879-885 (AMA journal)

Google it.

One among many.

John BENNETH

[crusaders36]

@Bandershot Also I take issue with the fact that the homeopathic remedy was pitted against betahistine, and they both performed similarly. Its unclear whether this reflects the efficacy of the homeopathic remedy or the lack of success with betahistine. Betahistine has its own controversy surrounding it's effectiveness in treating vertigo. Once again, lack of a placebo control group leads me to doubt the conclusions drawn by this study.

[crusaders36]

@crusaders36 More so is the fact that only close to 100 people were studied. Has this been replicated at all? A statistician wouldnt give much credence to such small numbers, would he? Arent these concerns ones that should be leveled against any new study, even ones on non-alternative medicines?

[crusaders36]

@Bandershot Another problem I have is that the symptom of vertigo, like the symptoms of fatigue, pain, quality of life, and other self-reported entities, are subjective. Further, they are naturally cyclical and come and go often with or without pharmacological intervention. In only 10% of the cases was the cause of the vertigo known. How many would have resolved on their own without intervention?

[crusaders36]

@Bandershot A quick PubMed search showed that approximately 2/3 of vertigo due to vestibulopathy (inner ear problems) spontaneously resolve over a period of a few weeks.

[Bandershot]

@crusaders36 I'm stilll waiting for your peer reviewed study that proves the action of homeopathic remedies is due solely to the placebo effect. You weren't aware of one, were you? The real problem here is they haven't figured out how to patent homeopathic drugs; what you're doing is astroturfing for the patent medical monopoly! How much are they paying you to discredit homeopathy? Fifty cents a comment? Too much!

[crusaders36]

@Bandershot Are you honestly accusing me of being paid to discredit homeopathy?? Anybody who disagrees is some disinfo agent?

[Bandershot]

@crusaders36 You're not getting paid? You're spreading lies for free? WHat an idiot! No? You claimed that Benveniste's test was a failure, as if it Maddox's dimissal was judge jury and exec of it. When I pointed out that there were numerous replications, you had nothing to say and moved to another fallacy. You seem to think no one will notice that you just got caught in a lie. At what point does your house of lies collapse in a heap? Decent people admit their errors.

[crusaders36]

@Bandershot

Are the clinical effects of homoeopathy placebo effects? Comparative study of placebo-controlled trials of homoeopathy and allopathy.

Shang A, Huwiler-Müntener K, Nartey L, Jüni P, Dörig S, Sterne JA, Pewsner D, Egger M.

Department of Social and Preventive Medicine, University of Berne, Berne, Switzerland.

[Bandershot]

@crusaders36 Oh you DO have a cite. Shang . . oh my! Hmm. Could you tell where in Shang it lists studies that it use to make this damning determination? Where in the so called "meta analysis" does it cite even ONE study? What a wonder that is, that when the anti homeopathy hustlers are challenged to produce a cite to support their placebo hypothesis, they always cite Shang, which in turn does not refveal its souirces. For this reason, among others, Shang has been thoroughly discredited. FAIL!

[Bandershot]

Shang, which concluded placebo for homeopahty is methodologically flawed on many levels. It eliminated 102 of 110 homeopathic trials and based its conclusions on only the 8 largest high-quality trials without clearly identifying the criteria by which these trials were selected or THEIR IDENTITY! Shang stats do NOT support the conclusion that homeopathy is no better than placebo. Google "Where Does Homeopathy Fit in Pharmaceutical Practice?" Am J Pharm Educ. 2007 February 15; 71(1): 07

[Bandershot]

@crusaders36 Here's another mroe recent: "Homeopathic Individualized Q-potencies versus Fluoxetine for Moderate to Severe Depression: Double-blind, Randomized Non-inferiority Trial." Adler UC, Paiva NM, Cesar AT, Adler MS, Molina A, Padula AE, Calil HM. Can you now show me a properly done and replicable double blinded study that has shown homeopathy's effects to always only be SOLELY placebo? Or will you only demand such a study to support your fallacies?

[den151redbank]

I've used h. for a dozen years. It's been wonderful in treating my chronic illnesses such as neuropathy and just as great with acute illnesses like sore throats and poison ivy. Even got rid of my warts and healed the nerves in my thumb which were damaged in a kitchen accident. Great for pain and swelling from dental work. My animals do beautifully with it too.

Millions of people around the world use h. for a very good reason -- because it works and works beautifully.

[Bandershot]

This a great testimony. Homeoapthy has worked for me, my faimly and my pets, too, in many different ways. I've also seen its effects on plants and yeast.

Thanks for commenting here.

[den151redbank]

Entirely my pleasure! I hope many, many more people will find this wonderful system of medicine. It will become a trusted friend for life to anyone who gives it a shot.

[harishpsubramanian]

It has worked wonders for reactive arthritis for my mom, on her legs,when allopathic doctors predicted she wouldnt be able to be normal again. Not only she walks very well, she is having the strength to make prayers to god for her children in temples and walk around the temple round and round again.

My sister has also a form of rheumatoid arthritis in early stage, sir would you be able to recommend someone near houston, texas , usa?

[Bandershot]

In addition to what appears to be a number of hom eoapths in Houston, the MD Anderson clinic at the University has done research on homoepathic meidcine.

Just google homeopathy houston and you''ll find a number of homeopaths listed, including one who practices sequential homeopathy, which incorporates comphrehensive homeapthic treatment with nutrition. Best wishes and health for you and your sister. Please keep us apprised of your progress.

John

[billtheman100]

bandershot,homeopathy medicine is an alternative for surgery right,but people rather get stab

[rispy999]

Love listening to your videos I am so passionate about learning this Any suggestions ideas where I could go to school? not just a weekend workshop?

Thank you

[edwong3]

Do a search on "homeopathic schools" in your favorite search engine. You'll find a good number of schools that even offer distance learning right up to the practitioner level.

[mattdammit]

@rispy999 Just take some cash and flush it down your toilet, you'll get the same results.

[technoway]

Bandershot wrote:

"Maybe the question should be why do you care about what we believe? We have our science and our own experience that confirms for us that it works"

I care, because ineffective medicine can cure people. You claim you have science, but here, and at your site, I have not seen valid peer-reviewed double-blind studies cited. By valid, I mean published in known scientific, or medical, journals.

The valid studies I've read show that homeopathy is not effective!

[sicilianotoronto]

John, you should come do a talk at the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine in Toronto... you're hilarious, everyone would love to hear you speak. We just had Dr.Fisher from the British Institute of Homeopathy come by and do a talk. Pretty good overall, but he seems stuck on having a study for the efficacy of homoeopathic vaccinations. I think that they work clinically but the methodology used to test it is just all wrong.

[Bandershot]

Thank you! I'd love to. I have so much to say I'd probably end up chasing people out of the room and down the street.

I just discovered Norman Allen's vids last night, and he's in Toronto, too, talking about the dot blot test. I've known of Norman for years. Wonderful man.

I've also been talking to Rolland Conte. And isn't Tornto Rudi Verspoor country? Randi's from Tporonto. ANd the Toronto Blessing is in Toronto I sense what may be a critical mass approaching, in Toronto!

[JimHewittWhite]

"John, you should come do a talk at the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine in Toronto... "

He's good, isn't he?

[adamredwine]

Just to let you know what kind of person you are dealing with here. Benneth used quotes from my comments without my permission and without informing me to make accusations about me on a third party website. The site has, to date, refused to allow me to respond to his accusations and Benneth has, so far, not responded to my further attempts at communication.

[earnhardtfanthree]

whats up with the Jean-Luc Ponty being played backwards?

[purerealms]

Guests who still doubt---fyi The Proof and Efficacy of Homeopathy was just presented this year at the Stritch School of Medicine in Chicago and at the University of Miami Medical School by Italian MD/homeopaths/scientists working with Guna Inc of Milan. I was there. So there. L., scientist and also integrated medicine practitioner. Take a look at La Medicina Biologica. The Europeans are light years ahead of us.

[orozzz]

Yeah, it is very nice to live in lie. If you are happy with it continue. Why do you B. like to post all kinds of nonsense? You like to be provocative or what? You believe all shit you post?Or you cannost accept that only science medicine made progress which doubled lifetime for past 150 years. All alternative medicine was here for thousand years and did NOTHING. This is reality... For some it is still unacceptable. I dont understand why.

[Bandershot]

Orozzz-Maybe the question should be why do you care about what we believe? We have our science and our own experience that confirms for us that it works, we've seen it work repeatedly on plants, animals and children and be of benefit to us. So what in that gives you the license to be abusive and derisive of our chosen practice? We're not breaking any laws, its supported by MDs and the FDA, so could it be that you made an error in judgment in condemning it? Have you really investigated it?

[BriscoCountyJr23]

Capitalism was responsible for extending lifespans, because famines and malnutrition kill a lot of people prematurely, and Capitalism solved those problems.

The lie is that modern medicine has extended lifespans when the statistics do not hold up that claim. More people die from heart disease today than did in the 1930's. More people get cancer today than did at the turn of the century. If this is progress, then I want nothing of it.

[JimHewittWhite]

"Or you cannost accept that only science medicine made progress which doubled lifetime for past 150 years. "

Actually, conventional medicine is the no. 1 killer in the US today.

"All alternative medicine was here for thousand years and did NOTHING."

If you actually did any research, you'd find that homeopathy reduced the cholera 1854 deathrate to 16.4% from the 50.8% that orthodox medicine could manage.

To name but one example.

[citystreets8]

John,

Thanks for your videos. I have to say that a few years ago, unfortunately, I would have laughed at the idea of homeopathy. My mind was recently changed when I was given a remedy that I thought "was just water!"  It was supposed to be for my entire body (to put in water to drink or my bath), but I instead put a few drops on a growth that had been on my leg for 4 months. I did this mostly as a joke and to "use up the bottle." Two days later...the growth was gone! Unbelievable!

[Bandershot]

Dear Citystreets- Thanks for your comment, it's really encouraging. Most of the comments I get are from people who haven't tried it and turn the mystery of how it works into an opportunity to ridicule. Your testimony is a powerful statement. Thanks for sharing it.

love,

John

[Imadoula]

I stumbled onto your "Secrets of Homeopathy" videos tonight, and I'm glad that I did. I want to thank you for all the hard work you have put into these videos, and for sharing your vast amount of research with the world. Does science not understand or believe that a single atom or molecule, may be the composition of infinitely smaller particles? We may not ever be able to see (with a microscope or what have you) these tiny beings, but we can still feel and observe their effects! Thanks again

[Bandershot]

Dear Imadoula-Thank you! Its comments like yours that make doing these videos worthwhile. I'm uploading number four tonight and hope to have five up later this week. Lots more to come.

love,

John

[Imadoula]

I look forward to it! Thank you John!

[earsoup]

great vids. Thanks for doing them !

[Bandershot]

Thank you, you've made me very happy by saying so. It encourages me to do part 4. -John

[earsoup]

You're welcome. It is clear that the not so amazing Randi is a clown, so I don't take him too seriously. It is sad that homeopathy has to prove itself again and again when the evidence has been there for quite a long time now. It's an experimental medecine, you can only judge a tree to its fruits. Youtube is full of fools that have been dumbed down by decades of mass propaganda, so I would't bother with the negavtives comments. Looking forward for the 4th vid !

[shidoadowaza]

wouldn't a vaccine be like if not the same as homeopathy.

vaccine

- inoculation: a preparation containing weakened or dead microbes of the kind that cause a disease, administered to stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against that disease

[sroHex]

Nope, because the microbes are modified to be weakened and are actually in the treatment.

Not a memory of it. And you need too administer quite a lot to get the effect.

[Bandershot]

Yes. Altho not well rec'd, homeopathic dilutes can inoculate. Wayne Jonas, M.D. did a study for the NIH to see if a homeopathic dilute of tularemia could immunize mice against rabbit fever, and determined that it could, suggesting a method by which to safely and cost effectively inoculate large numbers of people against bio terrorism, mysterious or idiopathic diseases.

[shidoadowaza]

so a vaccine would be considered homeopathy? What's the status with Santa Clause? are you ever going to get the check? I did an experiment with dowsing, I used iron coat hangers about 12 inches long with a 3 inch bend, one in each hand walked over to a 3/4 pvc line with flowing water buried 8 inches deep and they crossed, had 5 other people do it with indicating where the lines were and they crossed at the same location! but Randi would say it was the ideometer effect. He is B.S.

[shidoadowaza]

that was WITHOUT indicating where they were buried Sorry (TYPO)

[Bandershot]

Shidoadowaza- Thanks, but I understood what you were saying. The only "rule" in Randi's challenge is Randi, and as stated on his website, there has never been a formal trial of anything under his auspices.

[Bandershot]

Shidoa-Etymologically "vaccine" refers to the weeping sores on the cattle in which the smallpox vaccine is grown. A high dilute isode could be made from a vaccine, or any other pathogen and would be less traumatizing, although reportedly isodes are only temporarily effective, 90 days.

And no, I don't think Santa Clause is going to give me a million bucks.

[shidoadowaza]

Thanks for the reply, you could get the cash if the whole thing was Legit but we know that it's not, only his cult followers think it's real, you have some nice video's even it you don't collect

[earsoup]

more important than the million dollar is making people realize there's more to this evil business oriented allopathic medecine we have right now.

[shidoadowaza]

did my comment go through just now?

[birhan2006]

Do you look like Tarik Aziz(sp) Iraqi misnter, remember