Mark Driscoll on Using Words to Confront False Teachers

[SeraphsWitness]

Who gives a rip what church fathers say? Go back to scripture, people. For any one thing a church father says, there's almost always another church father to contradict him.

Mark is one of the few teachers left who has rock solid biblical teaching. At least foundationally. It's not grounded in tradition, culture, or opinion. It's grounded in scripture. If you're church isn't grounded like that, beware.

[brendos444]

Does anybody else find it ironic that a guy who starts his own church and is ultimately accountable to nobody has the audacity to write books and lecture others on what Chritians should believe?

[brendos444]

Is belief in substitutionary atonement a boundary marker of orthodoxy? Perhaps. Is penal substitutionary atonement a boundary marker of orthodoxy? Emphatically no!!! The early fathers know absolutely nothing of the kind of atonement theory that Driscoll subscribes to. the narrow penal substitutionary theory that seeks to downplay and subvert the Fathers understanding of ransom and Christus Victor. the Eastern Orthodox know nothing about penal substitution, they do know a lot of the Fathers.

[StormTrek]

We *should* shitcan the concept of heresy. Churches have been historically shitty at biblical exegesis anyway; the church "fathers" hellenized the Jewish apostles from the very beginning. Christian debates over doctrines look completely silly when placed within a Jewish framework.

[Rolo555]

A False teacher talking about other false teachers. Funny isnt it?

[musiclves]

@Rolo555 how is he faslse?

[davidnned]

are you guys really doing this right now? all I'm going to add is that Jesus was Black and White, stop trying to add grey areas and think it is fine to reinterpret what lust is, because you're only lying to yourself.

[ada2step]

Did you hear about Chrislam that is the latest false teaching. 150 churches preach from the quran last month

[JamesJon1187]

Thank God for mark driscol!

[gallegs7]

@TheInfamousPaki And the sex that God approves is within marriage. im pretty sure that most married people do not use masturbation in the bed room because there is obviously better alternatives. I myself try not to think of those things until i am married.

[gallegs7]

@TheInfamousPaki However there maybe just maybe a case where two married people find it pleasurable to masturbate to each other (sorry about the graphic talk) i dont kno because i am not married nor do i have sex. however what i am trying to say here is mark is simply saying lust is wrong. Masturbating can be wrong because 99.9% of the time people lust while the practice it. He is simply saying the actual act of masturbating might be ok if it is used like any other form of sex that pleases God.

[gallegs7]

@TheInfamousPaki ok everybody is misunderstanding what i am saying here and i believe they are making the same mistake with what mark said. Ok you are exactly right. In 99.9% of cases masturbation is wrong. if you are unmarried like myself there is probably no way masturbating can be good. I know myself there would be no way i could masturbate without lust which is why i dont do it. Unless it is possible to do it without lusting then it is wrong. That is what mark is saying.

[leeshelton11]

I have seen Joel Osteen get persecuted and attack so much for preaching the Gospel. I have even heard you accuse him of preaching heresy. Is it that his boldness and clarity has brought him attention and critics? Please give links to your critic.

[SAPierce2006]

@leeshelton11 Olsteen is often accused as being a heretic because of his presentation of the Gospel. Rarely have I seen him accurately speak from the scriptures, but rather I see him sugar coating many things. On nighline or Larry King he was asked if Jesus is the only way, and he dodged the question and basically in a nutshell said no. That's kind of a big deal, and shows a lack of proper understanding of scripture. What would Paul say if you told him God wanted you to be rich? The guy was poor

[Threshingfloor814]

"Dogs" was a codeword for homosexual.

[BostonBarnikle]

i think good pastors shld call out the false teachers so we kno the truth

[JackMWolfe]

Since Mark is one of the self-deceived who teaches false doctrines himself, he doesn't even recognize that the terms he's using actually apply to himself. Mark preaches a false gospel ie, "Repent for Christ MIGHT have died for you"& he promotes a deity who is a megalomaniac who creates & destroys the helpless for the sole purpose of self-glorification - a far cry from the loving Heavenly Father of the bible Who desires that NONE should perish but that ALL should turn to repentance.

[heathcoat67]

@JackMWolfe .....you might want to check out the context for that verse. you might be suprised.

[JackMWolfe]

@heathcoat67 The content corresponds to dozens of others saying the same thing. 1Tim2:4 "Who desires that ALL men be saved" Acts10:43 Whosoever believes in Him shall receive remission of sins, 1Jn2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins...also for the sins of the whole world, Acts17:30 now God commands all men everywhere to repent.. 1Tim4:10 Who is the Savior of all men, especially those who believe, Titus2:11 the grace of God has appeared to all men, etc, Read the bible, YOU might be surprised.

[MattinatorHax]

@JackMWolfe None of those actually say that all will be saved however. By contrast, there are many verses which claim that few/not all will be saved. John 3:18, 36; Romans 3:1-26; 8:1-11; 8:28-30; 9:1-29; Matt 7:13-29 are good places to start.

[Proverbs1x26refurbed]

This guy can't even shave or throw on a button down shirt or a sport jacket to talk formally about Jesus? Nobody wants to hear your message if you can't even bother to show your listener basic respect by not looking like a slob.

[powderhunter127]

@Proverbs1x26refurbed : You're a Pharisee. Do you think John the Baptist looked like a button up, white collar dude. Get real you legalistic pharisee. I can only guess you're a mormon or something very close.

[Proverbs1x26refurbed]

@powderhunter127 Legalistic? Did I say he had to dress up to be saved? No. I said it's respectful to your viewers to take a few minutes to dress nicely. I choose to not listen to these neo-"preachers" who can't demonstrate even basic respect and courtesy.

John the Baptist lived in the wilderness. This guy lives in air conditioned tract housing. I fail to see your comparison.

[AcornMonk]

@Proverbs1x26refurbed  Brother, if Mark Driscoll shaved and wore a sport jacket nobody in his mission field and nobody in his church would give him the time of day. You need to understand the culture of the people he's reaching and teaching. If he looked like a slick dressed southern preacher, that would completely turn off the young postmoderns in Seattle he's helping lead to Christ.

[shalimarsgirl]

@AcornMonk Doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible that "man looks on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart"? I don't know the name of the 'church' he belongs to, but I agree with what he says and his manner of speaking is a welcome change from preachers who shout and yell the pulpit, and jump up and down waving their hands. .

[SAPierce2006]

@shalimarsgirl Pastor Mark Driscoll from Mars Hill Church in Seattle.

[NobodySpecial85]

Lol! Mark Driscoll is a false teacher as well!

He said that "MASTURBATION IS NOT A SIN." This goes against scripture.

Don't believe me? Check out my video exposure on him! He's a wolf in sheep's clothing as well, lol!

[NobodySpecial85]

Yes, Mark Driscoll has smooth talk. He's VERY head-knowledged, but has no wisdom as he does not even know what it means to fear God!

Why do you think he has a mega-church and a large following? CAUSE HE'S A FALSE TEACHER!

Q: How do I get a huge church?

A: Talk about SEX & Jesus!

[gallegs7]

@NobodySpecial85 the bible talks about sex! Jesus talks about sex! the bible says it is a sin to lust! but says nothing about masturbation! Mark Driscoll said it is ok to masturbate within a marriage and as long as your spouse is ok with it! and that you are only thinking of your spouse! Christians need to talk about sex more because so many are lead the wrong way! Mark is by no means perfect but he only teaches what Jesus teaches!

[Stinkko]

@gallegs7 i think mark is a man who loves jesus and a great preacher,

but jesus never said its ok to masturbate in marriage as long as your thinking of your spouse,

so if mark said it, um, no, jesus never taught that, and you cant say that he only teaches what jesus taught.

not to be confrontational, or anything but its self worship. worship god by having sex how he made you to do it.. :D

[gallegs7]

@Stinkko Jesus never gets into specific details revolving around sex within a marriage. at least from what we know. Jesus never said it was ok to drive a car but we know that is not a sin unless of course you find some way to idolize it, which i guess some people might but none the less it is ok to drive a car. Now Jesus never talks about the physical action of masturbation. He only talks about about lust after someone who is not your spouse.

[Stinkko]

@gallegs7

that example isnt applicable in this setting

jesus said flee lust

he didnt say flee idolatry

i think masturbation is a very dangerous self service that may end with the individual being tempted into lustful thoughts, pornography, or perversion.

what the devil does is takes gods word manipulates it into something its not.

saying god said when he didnt. or viceversa

so no, im not dishing out commandments.

but as discerning as best i can i would say avoid it at all measures

[gallegs7]

@Stinkko So jesus never said it was ok to masturbate within marriage yet he never said it wasnt ok. So Mark has to be careful because if he says that it is not ok to masturbate within marriage he might be making up his own rules with goes against scripture which is a sin. I myself do not think i will ever consider masturbation in my marriage. God has clearly made a better way. However if another couple finds it pleasurable within marriage so be it. Mark is not perfect however i think he is right

[SAPierce2006]

@gallegs7 Driscoll did not say it's ok to masturbate within marriage while your in one room, and your wife is elsewhere. What your saying here could be taken as very misleading. The Bible talks about sex in Song of Songs (Solomon). Jesus does not talk about sex specifically. The closest thing I can think regarded as that is Jesus talking about lust. While I believe Pastor Driscoll speaks truth, and you should learn from him, nothing replaces your own time with Jesus in the scriptures. :-)

[sounddoctorin]

@gallegs7 It talks about bad examples of sexual perversions committed by various people. It talks about avoiding fornication. It talks about not witholding from one another within marriage commitment. The bible DOES address masturbation because fornication is the setting up of a sexual idol in one's heart which is what one does in masturbation. It's deliberately DECEIVING The physiology to make it think sexual intercourse is happening. I don't get my theology from perverts.

[waynefeller]

@sounddoctorin No you don't.  You seem to get your doctrine from yourself. Please don't add to scripture.

[sounddoctorin]

@waynefeller I don't see any substance to your post. Only insult. Do you not know that the bible speaks against fornication? And that the word 'pornia' is the one pornograpy is based on? There is never a time to LIE to your physiology and tell it you have having sex when you aren't. Obviously. This is merely an extention of abiding IN THE TRUTH. Jesus is the TRUTH. So yeah I do get it from the Bible. on what basis do you claim otherwise?

[waynefeller]

@sounddoctorin You are extenuating. Where does the bible say this, not where do you cobble various scriptures together to verify your own belief. Show me in the bible.

[sounddoctorin]

@waynefeller IF you are so ignorant that you don't know the abundance of scriptures preaching against fornication then PICK UP THE BIBLE AND READ IT. Yeshua even says that if you LOOK on a woman lustfully you commit adultery in your heart (to the apparently married people listening, and/or the fact that you initially don't know if a woman you see is married.) Do you even know where such common scriptures are? Acts 15 then instructs to avoid fornication in the 'short list' of sins to avoid.

[waynefeller]

@sounddoctorin But, where does it speak against masturbation? I know what it says on lust. Where does it talk of masturbation? And why are you so rude?

[sounddoctorin]

@waynefeller why am I so rude? Dude above you blanket ACCUSE me of having no biblical backing instead of ASKING WHAT I base this one. THAT....is rude. Now what IS masturbation? It's when you DECEIVE your body to think you are having sex! THUS IT IS A TWO FOLD sin. 1) Functionally LYING to the parts of your body. Deceiving them. 2) Lusting in your heart towards something to arouse them.

[waynefeller]

@sounddoctorin You are right. I could have phrased my post more appropriately. For that I do apologize. As to your position, I still don't see the bible backing up what you say. Where does the bible say that masturbation is deceiving the body into thinking you are having sex? I see nothing to justify that statement. As for lust, yes lust is a sin, and even Mark Driscoll says that. That is why although masturbation itself isn't a sin, it is accompanied by the sin of lust.

[sounddoctorin]

@waynefeller wayne, we can read the heart or the legalistic take on anything. EG. the bible doesn't specifically say there is anything wrong with torturing someone. We have to assess things like 'do unto others...' and 'love your enemies..' even. The bible doesn't list every variation of a sin. EXAMINE THE MOTIVE THOUGH. There is a sin called dissipation. NASB uses it. Use blueletter bible and search for it's uses. NOTE how drunkness is a SUBcategory of dissipation.  Look up the def.

[sounddoctorin]

@waynefeller continuing. If you know physics, you realize the word refers to expending energy that is wasted. Eg. you want to drop power supply voltage for something and instead of doing it the efficient way and making a switching regulator etc. , you simply install a big fat resistor and burn off the energy as heat. Do you see? This is precisely the category masturbation fits into. It does nothing to glorify God. It is purely for hedenistic pleasure. No fruit comes of it. Dissipation.

[christsaves1212]

@gallegs7 driscoll said that... so you say that is ok? does the Bible say that?

[grycer]

@NobodySpecial85

You are a legalist. Repent.

[jimboo40]

@NobodySpecial85

You have the greater sin of trying to ADD to God's word. You're bashing a guy for being silent where the bible is silent and vocal where it is vocal. Rather than address "lust", like Jesus did, which addresses 99% of masturbation, you just go for "masturbation". You are worldly and don't even know it. Tradition over scripture is your route.

[jimboo40]

@NobodySpecial85

Any honest male will admit if he masturbates, he's not thinking of a "power sander". Any unmarried person trying to argue that they aren't lusting is "probably" lying, otherwise they're just weird. Still, the bible is so meticulously specific, that if it leaves out something obvious out like "don't stimulate your own genitals under any circumstance", its on purpose, and regulated by the context of "lust". SEE CONTEXT: Sex before marriage = bad. Sex with your spouse = good.

[bassman1731]

@NobodySpecial85 No it doesn't...... It goes with scripture. Have you ever read song of solomn?? I'm guessing no.. Also if you are going to throw some levitcal code in my face to support your argument, you must understand that it has to do with people doing that outside of marriage.. Go stone the next gay you see in the street. Oh wait.. that was abolished with the new covenant (no, don't go telling me that I said homosexualiy isn't a sin, because I never did)

[bassman1731]

@NobodySpecial85 also next time your mother or sister has her period, kick her out of the city for a few days...

[HAPPYDOGSUZ]

GREAT WORD! AMEN!

[Whytheyconverted]

" Let Baudouin abuse me as long as he will, provided that, by the judgment of Melanchthon, posterity owes me a debt of gratitude for having purged the Church of so pernicious a monster." John Calvin in defence of the murder of Servetus who was BURNED AT THE STAKE

Sorry but such a man clearly fails the standards for eldership in the church - an unrepentant murderer

[blessingborn]

"There's a REASON why Jesus got killed? Is Driscoll actually suggesting it's because Christ and his disciples used strong language? Jesus was SACRIFICED which was Prophesied 2000 years before that's why he got "killed". Why doesn't Driscoll just preach the gospel instead of trying to hide behind pseudo intellectualism which is very evident by the lack of cohesion in his delivery of this nonsense. He asked for people to stand up and state what is urgent...salvation is urgent. Preach it!

[bull1504]

I would suggest for you to study a little bit of theology. It would profit you to read about God´s decree and secondary causes. In fact, as you say, Jesus death was prophesied and decreed before the world was created but at the same time, in order for that prophesy to be fulfilled, SOMEBODY ON EARTH HAD TO KILL HIM and have a reason to do so. The pharisees didn´t kill Jesus because "it was prophesied". They didn´t know that their murder was fulfilling prophesy.

[blessingborn]

Should I study the little bit you've read? Clearly you've missed my point and I see no point in flogging a dead horse.

[bull1504]

I missed the point? Did I?...Your question was:

Is Driscoll actually suggesting it's because Christ and his disciples used strong language?

My answer was yes and I gave my reasons. Your answer was no and your arguments were only personal attacks such as..."pseudo intellectualism, lack of cohesion, delivery of this nonsense". You are on your way to become a great Bible teacher!!

[blessingborn]

Unlike you....I don't aspire to being a bible teacher and unlike you I am not persuaded by hard line Calvinist theology. Let's just leave it at that.

[bull1504]

Nothing but assumptions and deviation from the topic...I´ll leave it at that...there is no point in flogging a dead horse.

[leagueworld]

Mark - how about you follow Calvin's example and just kill those who oppose you? (and of course never repent of such sin) I think killing servatus would be a good example, you could justify killing Jehovah's Witnesses that come to your door with such an example.

[gtrjunky]

John Calvin didn't "kill" anyone. You should get your historical facts straight before making a lame comment like that.

[Whytheyconverted]

John Calvin pushed for and used his political influence to get a man executed for RELIGIOUS REASONS - FACT. That is NOT denied by ANY historians, they might give him slack saying he was a ''man of his day'' (rather than a man of the word) or say it was political and civil but he DID particpate in murder.

[gtrjunky]

Again, you need to get ALL THE FACTS straight here before shooting off your mouth and making A GROSS MISREPRESENTAION of what happened. That was not the 21st century and at that time, heresy was a crime. Calvin testified that Servetus was indeed a heretic.

[lifecitycanberra]

NINE years later he was challenged as to the morality of the murder (people obviously had consciences FACT) and he would not repent. In some countries today it is illegal to be heretical. Is it moral to murder there? No Murder was murder then, the Holy Spirit is the same Holy Spirit, the word the same. Burning a heretic is MURDER - FACT The Bible has not changed. The fact that you defend him is defending Unrepentant SIN. There is NO excuse as there was no excuse for King David but he repented.

[gtrjunky]

There is a difference between "murder" and executing punishment for law breaking. If that was their law at that time then so beit. It's not as though Calvin physically laid hands on him and killed him. God sanctions governments and raises up rulers. Perhaps it was God's own judgement executed by human agency. God killed false prophets in the past.

[lifecitycanberra]

God giving authority does NOT justify their actions evil actions as right.

Calvin took personal responsibility for the death of servetus who was burned at the stake. He used civil authority to have it done. He did not say THEY did it, he said HE PURGED this heretic from the church. He was no better than Rome.

You did not answer my question. Is it MORAL or RIGHT to murder a heretic in another country that accepts such TODAY. eg. If a country legalised killing JW's, would it be right?

[leagueworld]

BTW - The death sentence for Heresy DID NOT exist in Geneva anyway.

Do you accept death sentence of Christians in Saudi Arabia as right? That is their law.

How about Abortion? That is Legal (can Christians participate in that?)

In some countries I can legally beat my wife.

Does legality equal morality? Answer that, a simple Yes or No will do.

[gtrjunky]

You tell me? Is it "moral or right" for God to command the death of an entire race of people? (1 Sam.15)

[leagueworld]

Under OT, yep, It was a theocratic system where the civil and religious were directly under covenant.

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS?

What did JESUS say about our enemies? TURN THE OTHER CHEEK. I am guessing you interpret that to mean turn theirs.

[StCausesARuckus]

First, this earth, this universe, people, animals, plants, oceans etc belong to God. He can do whatever He wants with it. If you want to destroy everything you own no one can stop you nor is it illegal. Secondly, you're referring to the Amalekites. They attacked Israel as they wandered in the desert, but not all of Israel, they attacked and slaughtered the stragglers, as in the sick, old, handicapped, nursing mothers and children for no reason then ran. That's why God had them destroyed.

[MrBysa]

so under that logic Nazis and slavery are perfectly ok?

well so be it?If that was their law at that time then so be it.

[leagueworld]

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS below about corrupt immoral laws today.

Legality does NOT make morality

You are using Old Testament theocratic examples under NT covenant world. You are defending a unrepentant vengeful murderer, that is FACT. He used a corrupt civil system to have it done.

If made legal would you kill Jehovah's Witnesses when they come to you door? What did JESUS say about our enemies? Please enlighten me

FACT: Legality does not make morality. Geneva at the time had become the new Rome

[MrBysa]

so was adultery.

[Stinkko]

@leagueworld why? im not a calvinist im not arminian i just dont care. i love theology and i know i cant get my head around the way god does things ill leave it at that but because calvins sin or ignorance or responsibility in the death of servatus doesnt mean i get on here and pridefully oppose big named preachers who teach tulip YOU DONT HAVE TO BE ANYTHING BIG OR SMART CHRIST IS ALL AND IF YOUR IN HIM IT IS FINISHED PRAY FOR THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT AND HUMILITY IN WISDOM

[Dyingtobesaved]

LOVE THE BOLDNESS TO SPEAK THE TRUTH!!

[pungadoo]

AMENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN bro its about time somebody said that AMENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[777denny]

You are teaching a false gospel and a false Jesus. You lie when you say we can't obey the commandements of Jesus Christ. He came to break the power of Satan SO THAT we would NOT have to sin. You are perverting the gospel of Christ and will fall under Paul's condemnation of those who preach a different gospel. Your kind also teach that we don't have to fear God, only revere Him. They take ONE scripture (1 John 4:18) which talks about the judgment and discard dozens of scripture about fearing God

[777denny]

Beware of the false teachers and preachers that teach the 'once saved always saved' false Gospel and false Jesus popularized by the murderer John Calvin. These same false teachers and preachers also teach and preach the heresy that Jesus will 'rapture' Christians BEFORE the start of the Great Tribulation Period, even though Jesus Himself said that there would be a great falling away and the man of perdition revealed FIRST. Don't be decieved. Do the first commandment, then the second one.

[kdanman00]

once saved always saved basically means that once God calls you and saves you, you will ultimately be with God. there is plenty of scriptural evidence. plenty. everywhere in the new testament.

I dont mean to sound rude but i jus want you to know where all this information that calvinists say is coming from. THE BIBLE!! calvinists arent interpreting the bible in some random way. they adhere strictly to the bible!

[kdanman00]

and also, God didnt give us the commandments so we can follow them and go to heaven. he gave us the commandments to show us that no matter what we do, we are sinners and we cant obey the commandments and we will always end up choosing to sin. He gave us the commandments to show us that we are sinners and that we cant be saved by obeying these rules but that we need a Savior to save us! this is strictly from the bible.  i can give specific verses if you would like :)

[jmvarnon]

U R A NUT!!!! Fuss abput something that matters..Drop the religion

[HarmonyinJesus]

Religion doesn't matter? You would change your mind if you were in hell right now.

[jmvarnon]

Do you understand the difference between religion and Jesus? Hell itself will be full of people who died in their religion..Please re-think this,

[HarmonyinJesus]

I do know the difference between religion and Jesus. Most people (here in Canada anyways) who are not Christians use the 2 interchangeably, which is why I said it like I did.

Since however, it seems that you might be a Christian, I would have worded that differently if I had known. Peace!

[saskatoonsafetyguy]

I love the "nobody loads the gun comment" That statement reminds me how christians "shoot their wounded"

[gtrjunky]

He was talking about Rob Bell calling the Dahli Lama "his holiness". Sorry, there's NOTHING "holy" about that man. He's a wretched sinner just like everybody else.

[MrBysa]

do you call a judge your honor?

[gtrjunky]

Is a judge a spiritual leader who claims to speak on behalf of God? NO! Again, your "ideas" are stupid and stink of your carnality!

[MrBysa]

""ideas"" really I see you have never read romans 13?

Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

so if everyone is everyone then the lama was being shown respect. like the bible says.

[gtrjunky]

The Dahli lama is not "holy", he is a lost person who rejects Christ. I see you have never read the entire new testament.

[MrBysa]

see there you go who said "holy"?

I said respect.

Give everyone what you owe him:

he is a person of respect his holiness is his "title" so if some calls lord Breckenridge, lord is he discrediting Jesus?

[gtrjunky]

That's what "Dahli Lama" means; holiness.

[MrBysa]

that holds a lot of water your a gtr junky

a junky is not a good thing, regardless I guess much like ray and wotm double standards are key.

[zitan17]

i dont think it would be wise for a christian to ,out of respect, use titles such as those to address men. if the popes title was some thing like "almighty father" or "most high" 

would you? or if they wanted you to bow down and worship one who set himself up above all that is called God, would you?

[MrBysa]

on the other hand..... he never said the bible didn't say. so if he wouldn't have understood what he meant. so it is general knowledge that people see him as a Tibetan holy man.

[gtrjunky]

Whatever. Keep making a public idiot out of yourself.

[MrBysa]

what do you mean?

idiot is a strong word for someone who cant explain how God broke his own law!

seems to me you could come up with something?

law says adultery = death yet examples of no death by stoning

care to explain?

king David

woman caught in the act in John (7)?

[MrBysa]

He can't comprehend the hyperbolic nature about Rob's statement. I guess. Rob NEVER interpreted the scriptures as saying that only Christian people deserve respect. He appealed to the general knowledge of people that we all deserve respect, especially others in their religions and now Plankeye here keeps squeeling about it.

[beejays11]

Very interesting.

[artlinefree]

Mark Driscoll is NOT talking about sex???

Wow ! I'm impressed.

[WRATHofGOD18]

Sooo refreshing. When we hear Ray Boltz came out of the closet, and is living "a normal gay life" - AND still being invited to churches, something like this is good to hear.

[Soldier7of7Christ]

WHAT?????? are you kidding me???? wow..i am stunned. sigh...sad

[jdjesusdisciple]

Amen, bro!