Scientology is well aware of the effects of body movements and squeezing the cans. The question is, why do some people flush or twitch when lying or embarrassed? Every professional that uses similar machines knows they can't detect lies, so to call it a lie detector is trying to cash in on the emotional nature of the term.
It's basically a poor man's lie detector. Changes in metabolism such as heart rate, resperation, and perspiration will cause the needle to move in response to the change in the person's skin resistance.
I've also heard rumors that the circuitry is designed to have the needle jump around at random to produce extra data for the auditor to interpret. This makes the meter seem to be more important than it really is.
Of course the needles changes when you change your grip, the resistance changes. You must have your hands absolutely still. Do the pinch test. Pinch yourself and look at the needle, it will move. Then think of the moment when you were pinched and the needle will move again.
Yes I've done that test. It's measuring galvanic skin response, like a lie detector. It's not evidence of a reactive mind, it just shows your skin can carry an electric current that can be interrupted through an emotional response. Jung was using devices like these in 1906 to aid in psychotherapy -- 5 years before LRH was born, might I add.
$cientologists need to update their shit. The e-Meter isn't exactly rocket science, is it? It's a 1950s-designed lie detector, and not even a particularly good lie detector. Offering a 'Mark VII' or whatever is just a scam so that head office can get more money from their branches.
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For a start, you clearly don't know how to use the meter. Secondly, the Mark VI is no longer in use by the Church. The Quantum Mark VII is the only meter in official use.
The meter probably hasn't been certified and is probably not even responding properly. Your not holding the cans properly. What a pile of crap!
Ismall97? The emeters do NOTHING. They are a cheap piece of electronic equipment that scientology charges almost $4,000 for. They are now REQUIRED by LAW to carry a warning label that says they do nothing. They are a "religious" tool- meaning the only value put on it is what your faith & imagination allow
BTW, did you know that originally the guy that made it refused to sell the rights to Hubbard so Hubbard decided the emeter wasn't necessary for auditing since he couldn't cash in on it?
Well after a well-thought out post like that we all better start supporting your religious freedom to destroy families, harass critics, practice medicine without a licence and infiltrate governments!
jth0511 (mem555) -nobody cares. You're not going to convince anyone that this two bit piece of electronic equipment is anything more than that. If scientologists want to believe it can help locate & rid them of space ghosts once they learn about Xenu the galactic overlord than so be it but I have a hair dryer that's more technologically complicated & it's a lot more practical. Didn't cost me $3,500 either. Just curious jth-does it bother you that they're making like a 500% profit off of emeters?
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wouldn't recommend you do it since you know so little you could very easily make a silly mistake. the mistakes made in the video are very easy to fix however, ask how at a church member who knows. if u even want to know that is, my guess is you don't.
so why make a video if you don't even want to show how it works...??
you got me.
btw what's your number on the digital screen when you just hold it normally, just curious.
"The device should bear a prominent, clearly visible notice warning that any person using it for auditing or counseling of any kind is forbidden by law to represent that there is any medical or scientific basis for believing or asserting that the device is useful in the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease"
jth0511 (mem555 too) wrote "wow.. speechless by this video.."
That was a long post for someone that's speechless by this video. Did you know that there was a time Hubbard couldn't get the profits from the sale of the 'e-meter' and announced that it wasn't a necessity for auditing? Then when he got the rights to it he changed his mind again. It's all about the money honey. There's a reason the thing is made to carry a warning label by law saying it has no medical value whatsoever.
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this "test" is a complete joke..
if this is anonymous delivering, cos will have no trouble..
this bogus demonstration doesn't show anything except that the people using it don't know how to.
your demonstration was equivalent to someone pushing a lawn mower around with no blades claiming "see, look! lawn mowers are all lies!"
actually go have someone demonstrate to you. it's nothing to do with squeeze.. the auditor is trained to not even read physical movements after session begins..
jth0511, if auditors are trained to see the changes, you have a bad auditor giving out stress tests.
tinyurl(DOT)com/4w656d
him (10:59:40 AM): I figured out how it worked pretty quick. All it measures is how hard you're squeezing it. So I use that to my advantage. I'm talking about horrible horrible stressful things in my life but not squeezing at all so the needle hardly moves, and this bugs her. 'These are bad things, but they do not stress you.... hm....'
um no actually even myself, someone definitely not qualified could show you how it works a lot more than you think.
you aren't supposed to squeeze during a session, the auditor will actually wait and make you steady again when you do so. they read charge on events. ex. (if you have e-m) is do the pinch test. assuming u knew how to flatten out the needle.. pinch yourself hard quickly. hold the cans, then recall the pinch you'll see the needle fall, then think about it again, moves but not as far
the pain will flatten out and you will no longer have charge on it. the same goes for thousands of different things from your past. i didn't watch the video, but all the people doing stress tests are not professional auditors, professionally trained ones are constantly booked for actual sessions, the people doing the stress tests probably have basic courses down for the e-meter. definitely not class v and up i'd suspect. idk if you even care about what i'm telling you.
@DatsumJB , the really bad things wouldn't be in the forefront of your psyche and easy to recall right away. The "bad" painful memories are buried a bit deeper and anybody with a bit of simple training could have you bawling in 20 minutes!!!!!! That shit'll show up on the needle dial, believe me.
That's nuts! Scientology's quack medical fraud they call "NarCONon" not only doesn't work, it diverts people away from actual treatment while liberating at minimum $20,000 from their victims. Check out crackpotsDOTorg for details coverage of this criminal, quack medical fraud.
You have the IQ of a Republican. And that's _perfect_ for what Scientology looks for in their rubes. Go sign up to be David Miscaviage's buttfriend, pal. He needs another around about now. }:-}
If you hold them without squeezing you will discover the difference to your body movement to the electrical resistance to what you think. It is a crude lie detector as stated. Emotional resistance causes blockage to electrical flow & that's why similar thoughts produce similar needle movements. If it was just a useless toy why would u buy the damn thing in the first place just to smell the cans? This is a simple skin galvanometer that's also used in medical hospitals so u cant refute a machine.
"scientology is destructive and a ripoff and that it's very very dangerous for your spiritual, psychological and mental, emotional health and evolution. I think it stunts your evolution. If scientology is real then something's fucked up because it aint delivering what it's promised. That's for goddamn sure. It is not. It says it delivers what its promised? Where's the fucking "Clear"? Show me a motherfucking Clear" - Jason Beghe
I'll have to disagree with your conclusion here. Although how you're holding the cans does have an effect (clearly), it can also measure changes in your skin's resistance, which can be affected by emotional responses (see "galvanic skin response"). It's essentially a crude lie detector.
If you see a stress test table ask to see the following warning label. If it's not there, they are in violation of the law!
FDA requirement reads in part:
"The device should bear a prominent, clearly visible notice warning that any person using it for auditing or counseling of any kind is forbidden by law to represent that there is any medical or scientific basis for believing or asserting that the device is useful in the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease"
The FDA label on mine is thin, black text on a highly reflective transparent sticker, affixed to a black e-meter. And when the meter is propped up for use, the label is on the bottom, completely unseen.
I tried to take a photo of it but the pictures do not come out at all.
Well done, gents. Complex spiritual device.. RIP OFF!!!! A vibrator is more complex than that! It takes a lot of stress out of people too... maybe they should sell those instead.
oschaper wrote "They did and gave us our tax status!"
Thanks for bringing that up! Yes, the scientology corporation got tax exempt status from the IRS by bombarding it with over 2500 lawsuits against the IRS and its employees. The deal Miscavige made is a sealed and secret agreement that we know in part gives scientology tax breaks other religions do not recieve.
I'm a little sad to see s/he go, now who'll start pointless arguments? I guess I'll have to take up the fight - I think a Scientology game should be made for the Xbox 360/PS3/Wii.... any ideas?
Well gee oschaper, I guess the internet changed things. When information was quick and ready and everybody and their mother is on now ready to info swap. Kind of hard for a big organization to silence so many voices and mountains of information can't be suppressed. Sooner or later the whole world is gonna take notice. Oh wait... that's already started
FYI, if anyone sees a stress test table (book stand) be sure to ask to see the warning label on the e-meter. There is supposed to be one (in the U.S. at least) that states that it has no medical value and is useless for treating diseases, illnesses etc etc.
If they don't have the warning label on the e-meter clearly visible they are breaking the law
Hey oschaper, don't hate Germany because they are smart enough to have learned from the horrors of history and refuse to let it repeat. I applaud them for having the guts to do the right thing and warn their people about societal dangers and do what they can to squash them.
"We don't have to blindly respect something just because it calls itself a religion or a church." - Andreas Heldal Lund of xenuDOTnet
Germany itself is a very nice country and I don't hate it. I don't have any type of sympathy for the once that attack Scientology. Its funny but Scientology has been in Germany for many years prior to the OPC launching an fruitless investigation in 1997. what has changed in Germany, because I am sure we had not changed and LRH dies in '86?
But in this case resistance is FAR from futile! I've actually begun a reasonable conversation with Oschaper. However the things written to me are much more civil than the posts left here. So Oschaper what gives?
Well Riply the Anon "informal meeting" outside the Tyler, TX CoS went quite well. I think I was asked more than 20 times what my crimes are. I was called fat, bearded (I DO have a beard) and a child molester. I don't bother with my mask anymore - they all know my voice and I've been followed home a few times. What get's me is I live 20 miles away and they STILL take time to stand outside on the street from time to time. I grab a hose, a jug of lemonade and make a day of it :-D
Thank you for your suggestion. I always love to receive nice comments from Germans that seem to have forgotten that some in their country had no freedoms what so ever about 20 years ago.
hubbard couldnt handle the fact that he was not an alien that was not going to live for billions of years. So he went for second best which was to fake a religion. He knew it was all bullshit its mindless drones that still carry it on. the whole thing is a joke.
Dear DatsumJB, I can`t deal with oschaper the troll anymore. So I`m leaving you now to go shopping with my friends. The only reason I even took the bait in the first place was to keep he/she/it from flooding your video with page after page of garbage. On the other hand if the troll stays here you are preventing the rape of other sites. Are you sure you feel that generous? I won`t be back.
And have you filed any report with your local law enforcement? Unless you're just full of hot air, do it and get it over with. It's actually your duty under German law. I dare you because your claims are nothing more than hot air and lies.
So censorship is your answer to critics. How dare you claim the right to protest for freedom and later censor others. Think about your action and what they really mean to Anon and their critics. As long you can have fun you want all rights but as soon somebody speaks up against them you cry foul.
So isn't your part to bet better? I don't think that the disposal of any group will don anyone any good. But you're using power and power may corrupt you and your believes. That is why I make sure to keep my promises.
Btw. I corrected the error on my comment page as promised.
Pardon me, but I'm rather wary of any group - the KKK, the Nazis, and the CoS - which insist they're ubermensch. I would like to see the CoS dismantled for the same reasons I would like to see any other hate group dismantled. And, unlike Hubbard, I don't advocate murder as a means to an end.
"Therefore, we really do have the remedy before the assault weapon is produced. Did you ever read poor old George Orwell's 1984? Yes,yes, that's wonderful. That would be--- could be the palest imagined shadow of what a world would be like under the rule of the secret use of Scientology with no remedy in existence."
Anonymous wishes to prevent Hubbard's vision of a clear planet.
Scientology is falling as we speak. You claim that you have 10 million members, more like 100,000. How come you are trying to sue everything that moves? Wikileaks for example, maybe because those documents tell the truth about your cult organization. RICO will come after yall soon enough!!!
I personally think that we should not put to much attention to most of them because they would be gone faster. On the other hand, I fully support the churches move to defend its copyrights. We are not the only religious group enforcing this. The Mormons just sued Wikileaks as well
I'm sorry but I am not sending you any Emails at all or go down to your level of aggression. I don't know what your problem is but you're making threats left and right. I have not seen any postings that would benefit the dialog at all.
As far I remember, your buddy declared me fair game and I have no problem with it because I feel quite save in the U.S.
So if everything is for free on the net, than you should be happy about it. It may not be the real deal but that is just fine with me. You can believe in your own little fantasy and your obsession with Scientology because your right to do so is protected. You don't have to be rude or post personal attacks to make a point.
Payback for what? What has Scientology done to you personally? I'm not sure where you get your horror stories but you have no clue. Sure we watch TV, read books besides the once from Scientology and have a life outside of the church. Only because we don't share your believes does not mean that we are dumb, stupid or anything less normal human beings. I would never dare to criticize you for your rights and believes so why you try to take them away from us? You're not forced to join or deal w/ COS
This shows how selfish you really are. That a large group of people are protesting your group's severe abuses against other people in the past and for its future totalitarian goals escapes you.
Scientology is not only a cult, but it is a cult comparable to that of the Nazis. Hubbard openly advocated the extermination of those who he deemed unfit for survival. Scn believes they are ubermensch. WE HAVE LEARNED FROM HISTORY. YOU HAVEN'T.
You call me selfish for asking why you protest Scientology? I just try to understand your personal motives and what made you decide to protest against Scientology. Are you also protesting other groups and I now that Belgium got other issues with Scientology.
If you believe Scientology does anything that is unlawful in your country, why don't you bring that to the attention of the police? Oh wait, they would not find anything and your reason would be gone to protest.
They're the only criminally convicted "religion" in my country.
THE ONLY.
Any attempts to gain tax-exempt religious status are denied by our governmnet because of Operation Snow White and the libelling of a Crown Attorney (and now sitting Justice). So do NOT try to play that card.
To use your own words: "No conviction yet just an allegation against some members"
You oschaper lack conviction. Why else would your profile not allow comments or personal messages?
Now - no bullshit - what are your crimes? CoS members have no problem asking that of others. Guess what - YOU ARE FAIR GAME. Do you have the courage to answer or will you simply "mealy-mouth" your response? Prove me wrong! Show us your conviction.... or be silent.
This is referring to the case in Belgium (2008 case). In regards to my profile, I have not turned the comment feature off (according to the splash page) and I will look into this issue and promise to correct it. I have no problems with comments.
I got a couple of parking tickets but that is it. Sorry I have not committed any crimes and I like to keep it that way. I also keep what I promise and will deal and face any issue that may arise.
Are you insane? What version of history are you going by? The cult was CONVICTED in Canada. Seven Scientologists WENT TO JAIL. This happened in 1992 (R v Church of Scientology Toronto is the case). Fair Game was applied to the crown prosecutor who eventually won $1.6m in damaged, a ruling UPHELD by the Supreme Court of Canada (Hill v. Church of Scientology Toronto).
Sorry my bad because I was referring to Belgium which you state as your country. In Canada, some members got convicted but the Church remains in operation to this date.
and on the end, no evidence just claims without proof. I think you guys don't care much about all your glory goals but instigate this litte circus just for your own pleasure.
"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow." - L. Ron Hubbard,
"The investigations into Anon are still on by the FBI and we will wait for the outcome."
So does Anon. If you're referring to the bomb threat, it was reported to the FBI by anonymous, and CNN reported the FBI said Anonymous was not involved with it.
Dear OSCHAPER, If you and your CO$ buddies try to take on the kids on the net you will lose. It`s too late. They are already onto your con. There is some nice T.V. on tonight, maybe you could take a break? OH I FORGOT! YOU GUYS AREN`T ALLOWED TO WATCH T.V.! Seems to me you just want to employ all the CO$ slaves writing endless comments to clog up the net!
Hey, the nice thing is that the attention span starts to lack as long this goes on because as soon you're little group is no more news, so go the kids off to another gig.
I was planning to do this for a few years, but it seems that the COB might not be in charge wihtin the next few months. So yeah, I look forward to the day where we're no longer in the news.
Don't worry because the mainstream sees you with a smile and don't really care for you. How would you take somebody serious that wears a mask and seems to run a party?
The progression of time might be frightening for a group who is culturally stuck in the mid-80s. Rome did not fall in a day. Organized Scientology is crumbling. It was destined to fall the way COB ran things into the ground, but we're just speeding up that eventual demise.
It would be really embarassing if COB was served with a summons at the IAS event. Oh my. He better have an escape chopper waiting on the roof and a shack in the woods ready.
At the april protest I had to ask a guy (not a member of anonymous, just someone in the street) not to set fire to Scientology propaganda. I guess he was just a little cold and it had nothing to do with how upset he was by the crimes of the cult.
How do you know he was not a member? Each of you can be Anon. I guess it was good that you have been able to stop that unstable person because the negative PR on the side of Anon...
"In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints."
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, 1989 Ed., p. 145
Does not Christianity also exhibit the traits of a cult? Indeed, IS just as much a cult as Scientology? Does Christianity not exploit the susceptibility and fear inherent in the faith to separate parishioners from their money to support "the church"? Does not Christianity also manipulate and magistrate the beliefs of their followers? Why do we not bring as much criticism against Christianity for the same "crimes"?
Flunk. "But other people do it" is not a defence. Especially when people *are* critical of Christianity's influence on politics and law. And two wrongs don't make a right.
People ARE protesting abuses done in the name of Christianity. They have been, constantly, every day, since the Enlightenment.
Until Anonymous, no one but a handful were protesting the abuses of Scientology.
Again, saying "THEY DO THE SAME" is never a moral high ground. When the Catholic Church commits abuses as you contend, it's no good. When the CoS commits abuses as you admit, it's still not good.
I have not seen them in front of churches with masks. But all I can say it that our ORG had no protesters the last two times and we had been looking forward to you guys. We got you Lord Xenu over to chat but you missed him again...
Of course you'd say it's none of my business, because in under two minutes I'd have photos of protestors outside of your org on the past two protest dates. Good thing lying is excusable when dealing with a pitiful wog such as myself!
I hope you are out in LA next month. You'll probably get to meet Jason Beghe. He might be chilling outside of the CC with some anon.
Again, I have been all the times at the ORG and we had you guys across the street for the first time (a total of 5 little Anons). The police had more people around but left after 10 min because you guys cleaned the area pretty frustrated.
This is not 1950 - people don't believe what they read unless there are facts to back it up. That's why something like Dianetics doesn't sell anymore.
Reports on Child Molestation reports in same way, videos of confessions are ALL AROUND the youtube, for in Scientology Exposed PSA: Not Equal video which you obviously know and tried yet another operation twist-the-issue tactic, just search,
Fair-Game itself is one form of mental abuse too.
Isn't Jenna MisCaviage a credible source enough? Try not to
twist the issue yet again please, which you have done countless times.
Now you are telling me that Jenna Miscaviage-Hill was sexually molested during her stay at Scientology? She was kicked out because she has caused nothing but trouble (a fact that she never denied)
Are you talking about Hubbards abuse of drugs, alcohol and tendencies towards racism and alike or are we talking about MisCaviages physical abuse of Cult's members?
For you guys tried to hide these facts for far more longer than twenty years.
Next ''oh-noes, X religion is wrong Cult is right choice'' dispute please!
Catholic church at least ADMITS that there is child molestation problem within the church, said by Benedictus himself. Unlike your dandy little MisCaviage who tries to bash everything and everyone who *dares* to critisize him or cult of scientology, even his own niece.
I'm not waking up into some vitamin and e-meter filled nightmare thanks, i prefer reality.
And same were said for those countless others who where fair gamed, Gumby for example.
Now, that you are so obsessed with that anon-is-terrorist, stuff, post credible evidence, FBI already noticed that it was false, I'm not moved by your petty sentimental babble or morality, i care for those who are being ruined and were ruined by scientology on why way or another, i give a damn if you believed in invisible pink unicorns or alike.
It's an ohmmeter... that's all. Fucking pricey way to measure electrical resistance...:-)
marcehole 1 year ago
Scientology is well aware of the effects of body movements and squeezing the cans. The question is, why do some people flush or twitch when lying or embarrassed? Every professional that uses similar machines knows they can't detect lies, so to call it a lie detector is trying to cash in on the emotional nature of the term.
BlueGiant69202 2 years ago
I want a polygraph. :'(
HWGuyEG 2 years ago
It's basically a poor man's lie detector. Changes in metabolism such as heart rate, resperation, and perspiration will cause the needle to move in response to the change in the person's skin resistance.
I've also heard rumors that the circuitry is designed to have the needle jump around at random to produce extra data for the auditor to interpret. This makes the meter seem to be more important than it really is.
Bravo Anonymous. Five Stars for great justice!!1
shogo7g 2 years ago
Of course the needles changes when you change your grip, the resistance changes. You must have your hands absolutely still. Do the pinch test. Pinch yourself and look at the needle, it will move. Then think of the moment when you were pinched and the needle will move again.
nicky9nicky9 2 years ago
Yes I've done that test. It's measuring galvanic skin response, like a lie detector. It's not evidence of a reactive mind, it just shows your skin can carry an electric current that can be interrupted through an emotional response. Jung was using devices like these in 1906 to aid in psychotherapy -- 5 years before LRH was born, might I add.
DatsumJB 2 years ago
yours isn't working properly because the super mega thunder crystals have been removed,......yeah
ItsaUFOduh 3 years ago
The E-meter, just like anything in $cientology, is just a fat global scam...
DarthX3nu 3 years ago 11
$cientologists need to update their shit. The e-Meter isn't exactly rocket science, is it? It's a 1950s-designed lie detector, and not even a particularly good lie detector. Offering a 'Mark VII' or whatever is just a scam so that head office can get more money from their branches.
doobedoo22 3 years ago 6
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For a start, you clearly don't know how to use the meter. Secondly, the Mark VI is no longer in use by the Church. The Quantum Mark VII is the only meter in official use.
The meter probably hasn't been certified and is probably not even responding properly. Your not holding the cans properly. What a pile of crap!
lsmall97 3 years ago
Ismall97? The emeters do NOTHING. They are a cheap piece of electronic equipment that scientology charges almost $4,000 for. They are now REQUIRED by LAW to carry a warning label that says they do nothing. They are a "religious" tool- meaning the only value put on it is what your faith & imagination allow
BTW, did you know that originally the guy that made it refused to sell the rights to Hubbard so Hubbard decided the emeter wasn't necessary for auditing since he couldn't cash in on it?
LindiVid 3 years ago 8
Well after a well-thought out post like that we all better start supporting your religious freedom to destroy families, harass critics, practice medicine without a licence and infiltrate governments!
DatsumJB 3 years ago
It has been long known that very low amounts
of electricity, given over time, can be highly addictive in a certain percentage of the population...
Claims by anon that the e-meter does nothing
is not totaly accurate. It does nothing
for your mental or physical health but the
e-meter releases endorphins and you do get
a FIX....
riply43 3 years ago 2
my friend stole one from the mall when they set up a bunch of tables and crap. i want one..
xMasterJuiceX 3 years ago 5
Why don't you go and actually learn science, instead of something that claims it's science but is rejected by the ENTIRE scientific community.
It will cost you a LOT less than scientology, and be far more valuable.
Correlation does not equal causation.
FreedomToThink 3 years ago 7
jth0511 (mem555) -nobody cares. You're not going to convince anyone that this two bit piece of electronic equipment is anything more than that. If scientologists want to believe it can help locate & rid them of space ghosts once they learn about Xenu the galactic overlord than so be it but I have a hair dryer that's more technologically complicated & it's a lot more practical. Didn't cost me $3,500 either. Just curious jth-does it bother you that they're making like a 500% profit off of emeters?
LindiVid 3 years ago 3
More scientologists behaving badly -
Yet another scientologist who thinks he's above the law (latest protest)-sign thief
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scientologists attempt to prevent little girls from getting something to eat at Subway:
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Yes... they tried to commandeer a Subway by sneaking a sign onto the door and then blocking it
scientologists say they're the most ethical people in the world? Well what I want to know is this - WHAT world? Sure aint this one
LindiVid 3 years ago 3
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wouldn't recommend you do it since you know so little you could very easily make a silly mistake. the mistakes made in the video are very easy to fix however, ask how at a church member who knows. if u even want to know that is, my guess is you don't.
so why make a video if you don't even want to show how it works...??
you got me.
btw what's your number on the digital screen when you just hold it normally, just curious.
jth0511 3 years ago
FDA requirement reads in part:
"The device should bear a prominent, clearly visible notice warning that any person using it for auditing or counseling of any kind is forbidden by law to represent that there is any medical or scientific basis for believing or asserting that the device is useful in the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease"
LindiVid 3 years ago 4
jth0511 (mem555 too) wrote "wow.. speechless by this video.."
That was a long post for someone that's speechless by this video. Did you know that there was a time Hubbard couldn't get the profits from the sale of the 'e-meter' and announced that it wasn't a necessity for auditing? Then when he got the rights to it he changed his mind again. It's all about the money honey. There's a reason the thing is made to carry a warning label by law saying it has no medical value whatsoever.
LindiVid 3 years ago 2
it's not necessary! learn your facts.
auditing Can be done without an e-meter.
it's just much harder to discern a pc's state, hence a need for a more precise devise.
jth0511 3 years ago
this video is so retarded!!!! lmao you guys make me laugh so hard...
o boy.. if you're watching this please don't take anything they say for truth. go have someone who knows! how to work one show you!
auditors can tell between body movements and needle reads, there are distinct differences that these people know absolutely nothing about.
plus, you aren't even supposed to squeeze them. you hold them. but ok....
wow.. speechless by this video..
jth0511 3 years ago
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this "test" is a complete joke..
if this is anonymous delivering, cos will have no trouble..
this bogus demonstration doesn't show anything except that the people using it don't know how to.
your demonstration was equivalent to someone pushing a lawn mower around with no blades claiming "see, look! lawn mowers are all lies!"
actually go have someone demonstrate to you. it's nothing to do with squeeze.. the auditor is trained to not even read physical movements after session begins..
jth0511 3 years ago
jth0511, if auditors are trained to see the changes, you have a bad auditor giving out stress tests.
tinyurl(DOT)com/4w656d
him (10:59:40 AM): I figured out how it worked pretty quick. All it measures is how hard you're squeezing it. So I use that to my advantage. I'm talking about horrible horrible stressful things in my life but not squeezing at all so the needle hardly moves, and this bugs her. 'These are bad things, but they do not stress you.... hm....'
DatsumJB 3 years ago
um no actually even myself, someone definitely not qualified could show you how it works a lot more than you think.
you aren't supposed to squeeze during a session, the auditor will actually wait and make you steady again when you do so. they read charge on events. ex. (if you have e-m) is do the pinch test. assuming u knew how to flatten out the needle.. pinch yourself hard quickly. hold the cans, then recall the pinch you'll see the needle fall, then think about it again, moves but not as far
jth0511 3 years ago
the pain will flatten out and you will no longer have charge on it. the same goes for thousands of different things from your past. i didn't watch the video, but all the people doing stress tests are not professional auditors, professionally trained ones are constantly booked for actual sessions, the people doing the stress tests probably have basic courses down for the e-meter. definitely not class v and up i'd suspect. idk if you even care about what i'm telling you.
thought i'd share
peace
jth0511 3 years ago
@DatsumJB , the really bad things wouldn't be in the forefront of your psyche and easy to recall right away. The "bad" painful memories are buried a bit deeper and anybody with a bit of simple training could have you bawling in 20 minutes!!!!!! That shit'll show up on the needle dial, believe me.
clr1961 1 year ago
It's a big fucking ohmmeter.
anonwut 3 years ago
a big fucking ohmmeter with bad frequency response and erratic needle movement. look at that thing jump around.
sec0f111 3 years ago 4
That's nuts! Scientology's quack medical fraud they call "NarCONon" not only doesn't work, it diverts people away from actual treatment while liberating at minimum $20,000 from their victims. Check out crackpotsDOTorg for details coverage of this criminal, quack medical fraud.
NotSoOldHippy 3 years ago
How the hell would you know. You dont even have a job!
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
"You dont even have a job!"
You have the IQ of a Republican. And that's _perfect_ for what Scientology looks for in their rubes. Go sign up to be David Miscaviage's buttfriend, pal. He needs another around about now. }:-}
AngryNotSoOldHippy 3 years ago
lmao! God I remember talking to the burnouts on Hollywood Blvd. Thanks for bringing back some fun times and good luck with rehab. lololol
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
i love the can up butt image... gross but so darn funny!
AnnieAnatomy 3 years ago
Anonymous delivers.
Kucheat 3 years ago 2
Emeter = PWNT.
TruthYouCantHandle 3 years ago 2
you should get this into the hands of a tech savvy anon and get the schematics on the web, imagine a free test at every Anon gathering.
xaos6 3 years ago
Excuse me for crashing this comment section but hopefully you welcome this post.
Freedom of Speech won the day -
XenuTV channel is back!!
XenuTV1 channel is back!!
Finally!
You may now resume applauding this video because it deserves it. Carry on!
LindiVid 3 years ago 2
Lmfao, wow, thats AWESOME anon. I'm favoriting this. Because thats just pure awesome. Hope you enjoy your shitty meters Scientologists!
KmKGreyhat 3 years ago
If you hold them without squeezing you will discover the difference to your body movement to the electrical resistance to what you think. It is a crude lie detector as stated. Emotional resistance causes blockage to electrical flow & that's why similar thoughts produce similar needle movements. If it was just a useless toy why would u buy the damn thing in the first place just to smell the cans? This is a simple skin galvanometer that's also used in medical hospitals so u cant refute a machine.
archronwe 3 years ago
Jason Beghe left the cult!
interview clip - v=DZvmvlZM1gw
"scientology is destructive and a ripoff and that it's very very dangerous for your spiritual, psychological and mental, emotional health and evolution. I think it stunts your evolution. If scientology is real then something's fucked up because it aint delivering what it's promised. That's for goddamn sure. It is not. It says it delivers what its promised? Where's the fucking "Clear"? Show me a motherfucking Clear" - Jason Beghe
LindiVid 3 years ago 2
lol , why dont they just hold onto the $cientologists ears and get direct Alien Power.
osachaper 3 years ago 2
I'll have to disagree with your conclusion here. Although how you're holding the cans does have an effect (clearly), it can also measure changes in your skin's resistance, which can be affected by emotional responses (see "galvanic skin response"). It's essentially a crude lie detector.
kjhgl1 3 years ago 3
If you see a stress test table ask to see the following warning label. If it's not there, they are in violation of the law!
FDA requirement reads in part:
"The device should bear a prominent, clearly visible notice warning that any person using it for auditing or counseling of any kind is forbidden by law to represent that there is any medical or scientific basis for believing or asserting that the device is useful in the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease"
LindiVid 3 years ago
The FDA label on mine is thin, black text on a highly reflective transparent sticker, affixed to a black e-meter. And when the meter is propped up for use, the label is on the bottom, completely unseen.
I tried to take a photo of it but the pictures do not come out at all.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Well done, gents. Complex spiritual device.. RIP OFF!!!! A vibrator is more complex than that! It takes a lot of stress out of people too... maybe they should sell those instead.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago 4
do they tell the person theyre 'auditing' that the e-meter doesnt acctually do anything?
worzelgumm 3 years ago
Hi worzelgumm -
Yeah they say it`s essentially a
"piece of crap"!
riply53 3 years ago
wtf... giz and cans up some fat guy's ass?
dude that's just fucking wrong, i mean, good job demonstrating how they work, but still lawl
246trinitrotoluene 3 years ago
WTF?? What is this video suposed to be about?
mellymadness 3 years ago
I've decided to ban you.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Thanks for keeping your promise. It`s
hard to find a honest man these days.
Much less one with a job...
riply53 3 years ago
Curses, too bad you cats aren't in NY. Because I would love nothing more than shake your hands.
Or at least pat you on the back, if the cans really were up that guys ass.
littlesisterAnon 3 years ago
omg omg omg omg NYN just commented on my vid omg omg omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DatsumJB 3 years ago
LOL wut?!
How do you know who I am?
littlesisterAnon 3 years ago
The "HI MY NAME IS little sister" nametag was a clue :D
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Oh. Oh yea. That would be a tipoff, wouldn't it?
littlesisterAnon 3 years ago
oschaper wrote "They did and gave us our tax status!"
Thanks for bringing that up! Yes, the scientology corporation got tax exempt status from the IRS by bombarding it with over 2500 lawsuits against the IRS and its employees. The deal Miscavige made is a sealed and secret agreement that we know in part gives scientology tax breaks other religions do not recieve.
Write your Congress Representatives!!!
LindiVid 3 years ago
As promised, I banned oschaper so s/he can't get stats up at the last minute.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Good move. But I'm a little sad to see him go. He has a way of setting up my arguments so beautifully. Oh well.
Seriously though? He's a nutter. Worst sci troll I've seen yet.
LindiVid 3 years ago
I'm a little sad to see s/he go, now who'll start pointless arguments? I guess I'll have to take up the fight - I think a Scientology game should be made for the Xbox 360/PS3/Wii.... any ideas?
captaintripps6969 3 years ago
oschaper wrote "what has changed in Germany"
Well gee oschaper, I guess the internet changed things. When information was quick and ready and everybody and their mother is on now ready to info swap. Kind of hard for a big organization to silence so many voices and mountains of information can't be suppressed. Sooner or later the whole world is gonna take notice. Oh wait... that's already started
LindiVid 3 years ago
flagged as awesome
FreePlay 3 years ago
They did and gave us our tax status!
oschaper 3 years ago
Hi Captaintripps!
Sorry if they called you a child molester.
They must be getting desparate. But not to worry-LRH was really fat. And as far as being
a child molester didn`t LRH say Jesus was a
pedophile?
riply53 3 years ago
FYI, if anyone sees a stress test table (book stand) be sure to ask to see the warning label on the e-meter. There is supposed to be one (in the U.S. at least) that states that it has no medical value and is useless for treating diseases, illnesses etc etc.
If they don't have the warning label on the e-meter clearly visible they are breaking the law
LindiVid 3 years ago
Hey oschaper, don't hate Germany because they are smart enough to have learned from the horrors of history and refuse to let it repeat. I applaud them for having the guts to do the right thing and warn their people about societal dangers and do what they can to squash them.
"We don't have to blindly respect something just because it calls itself a religion or a church." - Andreas Heldal Lund of xenuDOTnet
LindiVid 3 years ago
Germany itself is a very nice country and I don't hate it. I don't have any type of sympathy for the once that attack Scientology. Its funny but Scientology has been in Germany for many years prior to the OPC launching an fruitless investigation in 1997. what has changed in Germany, because I am sure we had not changed and LRH dies in '86?
oschaper 3 years ago
Scientology is like the BORG.
riply53 3 years ago
But in this case resistance is FAR from futile! I've actually begun a reasonable conversation with Oschaper. However the things written to me are much more civil than the posts left here. So Oschaper what gives?
captaintripps6969 3 years ago
I respond to either attack or contructive dialog. I should not block any good conversation and doe my best, even as Scientologist.
oschaper 3 years ago
You can't reply to this but I feel it is important to say that I can respect your standpoint.
captaintripps6969 3 years ago
Well Riply the Anon "informal meeting" outside the Tyler, TX CoS went quite well. I think I was asked more than 20 times what my crimes are. I was called fat, bearded (I DO have a beard) and a child molester. I don't bother with my mask anymore - they all know my voice and I've been followed home a few times. What get's me is I live 20 miles away and they STILL take time to stand outside on the street from time to time. I grab a hose, a jug of lemonade and make a day of it :-D
captaintripps6969 3 years ago
Thank you for your suggestion. I always love to receive nice comments from Germans that seem to have forgotten that some in their country had no freedoms what so ever about 20 years ago.
oschaper 3 years ago
hubbard couldnt handle the fact that he was not an alien that was not going to live for billions of years. So he went for second best which was to fake a religion. He knew it was all bullshit its mindless drones that still carry it on. the whole thing is a joke.
worzelgumm 3 years ago
Can someone help me out here?
What was LRH`s "final solution" for all us
sub-humans who weren`t all superior and stuff?
Were we just to be exterminated or maybe
slaves?
And was it 10%? Cant remember......
riply53 3 years ago
Dear OSCHAPER, I would like to reply to your comment
to me I quote-"you`re just a bit out of your
league". Yes oschaper, I am stretching it a bit
to keep up with these guys, they`re much
more clever and well-informed than I but
I do have one advantage over you- I know
BULLSHIT when I see it! If you win you and all your ubermench,
superior, buddies can follow LRG`s orders
and exterminate me along with the other 10%
"undesiraqbles".
riply53 3 years ago
Hi Worzelgumm, You don`t have to ask the
troll. You can make one yoursef for $20.
and try it out for yourself!
I forgot whose site the directions were on
though!
riply53 3 years ago
haha thanks. that would be about £12 over here.
maybe i'll just buy the measuring needle and decide for myself
worzelgumm 3 years ago
And you are trained as auditor? The E-meter is not the important part during auditing, it's the auditor.
oschaper 3 years ago
riply53 3 years ago
You're just a bit out of your league and out of line. I make a stand for my believes and it seems you have forgotten that it is my right.
oschaper 3 years ago
OSCHAPER I want to make it absolutely clear
why your la-de-da attitude pissses me off!
Dead people everywhere,unexplained suicides,
molestation, savage beatings, forced abortions, chained up children, people de-
prived of their life savings and their
sanity, creation of a brainwashed drone
slave caste, tax evasion, fraud, harassment,
racketeering and blackmail!
You don`t even pretend to care. ANON cares!
riply53 3 years ago 2
And have you filed any report with your local law enforcement? Unless you're just full of hot air, do it and get it over with. It's actually your duty under German law. I dare you because your claims are nothing more than hot air and lies.
oschaper 3 years ago
Oschaper you`re really starting to piss
me off! Of course you`re sending emails
to anyone who comments on your comments!
Please stop your droning on and on and
on. We know what you are and you`re
just plain annoying!
riply53 3 years ago
So I should have not the right to comment. Sorry but this is a democratic forum and therefore I have the right to comment.
You might want to disable your email feature for comment notification if you have a problem.
oschaper 3 years ago
Actually it's not a democratic forum, I can remove your "right" to post on my videos at will.
And I plan to on Wednesday so your stats won't be able to use me to get upstat on Thursday.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
So censorship is your answer to critics. How dare you claim the right to protest for freedom and later censor others. Think about your action and what they really mean to Anon and their critics. As long you can have fun you want all rights but as soon somebody speaks up against them you cry foul.
oschaper 3 years ago
Hubbard advocated the "disposal" of groups of people. You should be happy I'm allowing you, a member of the Scientology hate group, a forum to speak.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
So isn't your part to bet better? I don't think that the disposal of any group will don anyone any good. But you're using power and power may corrupt you and your believes. That is why I make sure to keep my promises.
Btw. I corrected the error on my comment page as promised.
oschaper 3 years ago
Pardon me, but I'm rather wary of any group - the KKK, the Nazis, and the CoS - which insist they're ubermensch. I would like to see the CoS dismantled for the same reasons I would like to see any other hate group dismantled. And, unlike Hubbard, I don't advocate murder as a means to an end.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
So when will Anon which clearly is a hate group be gone? Anon hates the Church and just by definition you should leave.
oschaper 3 years ago
LRH original PDC tape 20:
"Therefore, we really do have the remedy before the assault weapon is produced. Did you ever read poor old George Orwell's 1984? Yes,yes, that's wonderful. That would be--- could be the palest imagined shadow of what a world would be like under the rule of the secret use of Scientology with no remedy in existence."
Anonymous wishes to prevent Hubbard's vision of a clear planet.
Flunk.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Taking it out of context to make a point. You could do better.
Just face it, the kids are soon gone and Scientology will remain alive, stronger and bigger.
oschaper 3 years ago
can you explain the pointlessness of the E-meter oschaper? I'm interested.
worzelgumm 3 years ago
Scientology is falling as we speak. You claim that you have 10 million members, more like 100,000. How come you are trying to sue everything that moves? Wikileaks for example, maybe because those documents tell the truth about your cult organization. RICO will come after yall soon enough!!!
jankinsanon 3 years ago
I personally think that we should not put to much attention to most of them because they would be gone faster. On the other hand, I fully support the churches move to defend its copyrights. We are not the only religious group enforcing this. The Mormons just sued Wikileaks as well
oschaper 3 years ago
anon are acctually trying to prevent the cult from destroying more lives and families. $cientologists all will automatically assume critics are wrong.
carry on posting incessantly you might get an accidental thumbs up.
worzelgumm 3 years ago
Sorry OSCHAPER!
Once again you have been caught in a BIG
FAT LIE! You do have big problems with
messages! How do I know? BECAUSE YOU
KEEP SENDING ME INSULTING MESSAGES ON
E-MAIL!
Also don`t try to take on captaintripps6969!
From where he comes from the dudes wear
mighty big boots! He might just decide to
give you a little ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT!
riply53 3 years ago 2
I'm sorry but I am not sending you any Emails at all or go down to your level of aggression. I don't know what your problem is but you're making threats left and right. I have not seen any postings that would benefit the dialog at all.
As far I remember, your buddy declared me fair game and I have no problem with it because I feel quite save in the U.S.
oschaper 3 years ago
This is better than "24"!
You are SO GOOD CAPTAINTRIPPS6969 and
DatsumJB!
riply53 3 years ago
I am happy that you are well entertained.
oschaper 3 years ago
HI SCILONS!
Stop your whining and show a little gratitude!
Because of ANON you don`t have to wait for
OTV11 or OTV111 to find out all about Zenu,
space aliens,space cooties, yada, yada, yada!
You can find out for FREE fight here on the
net! PLUS-after you use some of the tips in
this video, YOU CAN WOW YOUR SCILON
BUDDIES DOWN AT THE ORG. Can`t chat longer. Got a date!
riply53 3 years ago
So if everything is for free on the net, than you should be happy about it. It may not be the real deal but that is just fine with me. You can believe in your own little fantasy and your obsession with Scientology because your right to do so is protected. You don't have to be rude or post personal attacks to make a point.
oschaper 3 years ago
Hey Riply53, let's get ready to rock and roll!
captaintripps6969 3 years ago
HI SCILONS and particularly you OSCHAPER!
Sorry you guys are so sad now, we`re all
crying for you but-
PAYBACKS A BITCH AND HER NAME IS ANON!
so stop your whining and go watch T.V.
or something! Oops, sorry I forgot-
SCILONS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WATCH T.V!
How sad!
riply53 3 years ago
Payback for what? What has Scientology done to you personally? I'm not sure where you get your horror stories but you have no clue. Sure we watch TV, read books besides the once from Scientology and have a life outside of the church. Only because we don't share your believes does not mean that we are dumb, stupid or anything less normal human beings. I would never dare to criticize you for your rights and believes so why you try to take them away from us? You're not forced to join or deal w/ COS
oschaper 3 years ago
"What has Scientology done to you personally?"
This shows how selfish you really are. That a large group of people are protesting your group's severe abuses against other people in the past and for its future totalitarian goals escapes you.
Scientology is not only a cult, but it is a cult comparable to that of the Nazis. Hubbard openly advocated the extermination of those who he deemed unfit for survival. Scn believes they are ubermensch. WE HAVE LEARNED FROM HISTORY. YOU HAVEN'T.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
You call me selfish for asking why you protest Scientology? I just try to understand your personal motives and what made you decide to protest against Scientology. Are you also protesting other groups and I now that Belgium got other issues with Scientology.
If you believe Scientology does anything that is unlawful in your country, why don't you bring that to the attention of the police? Oh wait, they would not find anything and your reason would be gone to protest.
oschaper 3 years ago
They're the only criminally convicted "religion" in my country.
THE ONLY.
Any attempts to gain tax-exempt religious status are denied by our governmnet because of Operation Snow White and the libelling of a Crown Attorney (and now sitting Justice). So do NOT try to play that card.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
I just checked on that and you're not quite right. No conviction yet just an allegation against some members. No court hearing set yet for the trial.
oschaper 3 years ago
To use your own words: "No conviction yet just an allegation against some members"
You oschaper lack conviction. Why else would your profile not allow comments or personal messages?
Now - no bullshit - what are your crimes? CoS members have no problem asking that of others. Guess what - YOU ARE FAIR GAME. Do you have the courage to answer or will you simply "mealy-mouth" your response? Prove me wrong! Show us your conviction.... or be silent.
captaintripps6969 3 years ago 2
This is referring to the case in Belgium (2008 case). In regards to my profile, I have not turned the comment feature off (according to the splash page) and I will look into this issue and promise to correct it. I have no problems with comments.
I got a couple of parking tickets but that is it. Sorry I have not committed any crimes and I like to keep it that way. I also keep what I promise and will deal and face any issue that may arise.
oschaper 3 years ago
Are you insane? What version of history are you going by? The cult was CONVICTED in Canada. Seven Scientologists WENT TO JAIL. This happened in 1992 (R v Church of Scientology Toronto is the case). Fair Game was applied to the crown prosecutor who eventually won $1.6m in damaged, a ruling UPHELD by the Supreme Court of Canada (Hill v. Church of Scientology Toronto).
canlii(DOT)org/en/on/onca/doc/1996/1996canlii1650/1996canlii1650.html
Google the phrase "real and persistent malice"
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Sorry my bad because I was referring to Belgium which you state as your country. In Canada, some members got convicted but the Church remains in operation to this date.
oschaper 3 years ago
And not recognized as a church, and constantly watched by CSIS to this date. Until CoS ends.
Which is soon.
If you work for OSA, I recommend you follow Mike Rinder's lead. If you don't work for OSA, I recommend you ask where Mike Rinder is.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Mr. Rinder is in Verginia with his wife.
oschaper 3 years ago
With his new girlfriend.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
That is fine as well because I don't care much about him or follow ex-members and track their movements. Not my cup of tea.
oschaper 3 years ago
You might want to pass on a note to update your website.
scientology(DOT)org/scnnews/rinder.htm
DatsumJB 3 years ago
I have seen the page and will pass it along.
oschaper 3 years ago
Thanks.
And also thanks for admitting Rinder is gone. No one from CoS has commented on it, until tonight.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
You're welcome. He has been very low key and from all I know is that he left quite and peaceful.
oschaper 3 years ago
He's also talking to the authorities about COB.
Pass that little tidbit up the lines as well.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
and on the end, no evidence just claims without proof. I think you guys don't care much about all your glory goals but instigate this litte circus just for your own pleasure.
oschaper 3 years ago
Glory Goals? Are they like the Gorilla Goals?
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Holy crap, here we see typical scilon tactics at work.
Attack-attack-never-defend, style. Personal insults even, amusing i say.
TrueNeutrality 3 years ago
You started it. You should read your postings a bit better.
oschaper 3 years ago
"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow." - L. Ron Hubbard,
SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170
DatsumJB 3 years ago
"The investigations into Anon are still on by the FBI and we will wait for the outcome."
So does Anon. If you're referring to the bomb threat, it was reported to the FBI by anonymous, and CNN reported the FBI said Anonymous was not involved with it.
The FBI is now investigating Scientology.
Operation Freakout II flunked.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
How can you make that statement? If Anon has no structure and every member is his own boss?
Can proof that nobody in Anon would do such act?
oschaper 3 years ago
I'm just repeating what the FBI has said. You may as well direct your questions to them.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
scientology is having members create youtube accounts and individually denounce every video ridiculing them.
just thought i'd pass the word; the next twit to say something half witted in favor of scientology, is most likely a fellow psycho.
you fuckers are so high school it's unbelievable.
r0kyrts 3 years ago 2
riply53 3 years ago
Hey, the nice thing is that the attention span starts to lack as long this goes on because as soon you're little group is no more news, so go the kids off to another gig.
oschaper 3 years ago
I was planning to do this for a few years, but it seems that the COB might not be in charge wihtin the next few months. So yeah, I look forward to the day where we're no longer in the news.
You should do what Mike Rinder did - blow.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Don't worry because the mainstream sees you with a smile and don't really care for you. How would you take somebody serious that wears a mask and seems to run a party?
oschaper 3 years ago
The questions you should ask, is Anonymous working? Is Anonymous at cause? Has Scientology pulled it in?
The answer to all the above is yes, yes, and YES.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Anon does not work because we are still very much alive. I know it must be hard but Scientology will stay its ground.
oschaper 3 years ago
The progression of time might be frightening for a group who is culturally stuck in the mid-80s. Rome did not fall in a day. Organized Scientology is crumbling. It was destined to fall the way COB ran things into the ground, but we're just speeding up that eventual demise.
It would be really embarassing if COB was served with a summons at the IAS event. Oh my. He better have an escape chopper waiting on the roof and a shack in the woods ready.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Wishful thinking on your site.
oschaper 3 years ago
Your typos and grammar are getting worse. Maybe you should go to bed for the evening.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
At the april protest I had to ask a guy (not a member of anonymous, just someone in the street) not to set fire to Scientology propaganda. I guess he was just a little cold and it had nothing to do with how upset he was by the crimes of the cult.
anonymous661 3 years ago 3
How do you know he was not a member? Each of you can be Anon. I guess it was good that you have been able to stop that unstable person because the negative PR on the side of Anon...
oschaper 3 years ago
Clearly he wasn't unstable because he stopped. Duh.
If you're going to throw around psychological terms based on pseudoscience mascaraing as a religion make sure you use the right ones.
anonymous661 3 years ago 3
speaking of unstable:
"In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints."
- L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, 1989 Ed., p. 145
Heil Hubbard!
DatsumJB 3 years ago
HILARIOUS COMMENT!
LOL YOU ANON!
riply53 3 years ago
Does not Christianity also exhibit the traits of a cult? Indeed, IS just as much a cult as Scientology? Does Christianity not exploit the susceptibility and fear inherent in the faith to separate parishioners from their money to support "the church"? Does not Christianity also manipulate and magistrate the beliefs of their followers? Why do we not bring as much criticism against Christianity for the same "crimes"?
oschaper 3 years ago
Flunk. "But other people do it" is not a defence. Especially when people *are* critical of Christianity's influence on politics and law. And two wrongs don't make a right.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
And why is Anon not protesting them as well. Afraid Daddy would stop paying your lifestyle?
oschaper 3 years ago
People ARE protesting abuses done in the name of Christianity. They have been, constantly, every day, since the Enlightenment.
Until Anonymous, no one but a handful were protesting the abuses of Scientology.
Again, saying "THEY DO THE SAME" is never a moral high ground. When the Catholic Church commits abuses as you contend, it's no good. When the CoS commits abuses as you admit, it's still not good.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
I have not seen them in front of churches with masks. But all I can say it that our ORG had no protesters the last two times and we had been looking forward to you guys. We got you Lord Xenu over to chat but you missed him again...
oschaper 3 years ago
"But all I can say it that our ORG had no protesters the last two times"
Which org is that? Or are you going to say it's none of my business?
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Not at all but I like it that way. But I will make sure to be in Los Angeles on the 14th to have fun.
oschaper 3 years ago
Of course you'd say it's none of my business, because in under two minutes I'd have photos of protestors outside of your org on the past two protest dates. Good thing lying is excusable when dealing with a pitiful wog such as myself!
I hope you are out in LA next month. You'll probably get to meet Jason Beghe. He might be chilling outside of the CC with some anon.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Again, I have been all the times at the ORG and we had you guys across the street for the first time (a total of 5 little Anons). The police had more people around but left after 10 min because you guys cleaned the area pretty frustrated.
oschaper 3 years ago
You keep on repeating that without proving it.
This is not 1950 - people don't believe what they read unless there are facts to back it up. That's why something like Dianetics doesn't sell anymore.
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Proofing what? You make here some claims and I don't see your proof either.
oschaper 3 years ago
Reports on Child Molestation reports in same way, videos of confessions are ALL AROUND the youtube, for in Scientology Exposed PSA: Not Equal video which you obviously know and tried yet another operation twist-the-issue tactic, just search,
Fair-Game itself is one form of mental abuse too.
Isn't Jenna MisCaviage a credible source enough? Try not to
twist the issue yet again please, which you have done countless times.
TrueNeutrality 3 years ago
Now you are telling me that Jenna Miscaviage-Hill was sexually molested during her stay at Scientology? She was kicked out because she has caused nothing but trouble (a fact that she never denied)
oschaper 3 years ago
Are you talking about Hubbards abuse of drugs, alcohol and tendencies towards racism and alike or are we talking about MisCaviages physical abuse of Cult's members?
For you guys tried to hide these facts for far more longer than twenty years.
Next ''oh-noes, X religion is wrong Cult is right choice'' dispute please!
TrueNeutrality 3 years ago
Have you been present? Have you seen such alleged abuse?
oschaper 3 years ago
I'm not catholic, silly.
Catholic church at least ADMITS that there is child molestation problem within the church, said by Benedictus himself. Unlike your dandy little MisCaviage who tries to bash everything and everyone who *dares* to critisize him or cult of scientology, even his own niece.
I'm not waking up into some vitamin and e-meter filled nightmare thanks, i prefer reality.
TrueNeutrality 3 years ago
Yes because they tried to cover it up for years. Get the story straight and his predecessor did nothing for over 20 years.
oschaper 3 years ago
And same were said for those countless others who where fair gamed, Gumby for example.
Now, that you are so obsessed with that anon-is-terrorist, stuff, post credible evidence, FBI already noticed that it was false, I'm not moved by your petty sentimental babble or morality, i care for those who are being ruined and were ruined by scientology on why way or another, i give a damn if you believed in invisible pink unicorns or alike.
TrueNeutrality 3 years ago
The investigations into Anon are still on by the FBI and we will wait for the outcome.
oschaper 3 years ago
hheheh...hahaha. hehaha h BWAHAHAHAH!!!!!! completely false!! oschaper you make me laugh
worzelgumm 3 years ago
Sure, you should get the facts straight. They even admitted in Court that they moved Priests outside the country to protect.
oschaper 3 years ago
Who is "they"?
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Is it related at all to the investigation into David Miscavige?
DatsumJB 3 years ago
Maybe we hide behind a mask because of FAIR GAME or as known in modern day as SP Declaration which includes the fair game?
TrueNeutrality 3 years ago
Sure and you should be afraid of your shadow too. Wake up and smell the roses, Scientology has no problems with you.
oschaper 3 years ago
The point is, what the hell CSI president is doing at hall of SP's?
TrueNeutrality 3 years ago
oschaper is getting beaten in here like a red-headed step child.
I lol'd. Profitable enterprise as a church, not only it has copyrights on their religious ''scriptures''
TrueNeutrality 3 years ago