Bought the first one that came into the store where I shop on the spot. The clerk was taking it out of the box, he also seeing it for the first time. I called my son immediately, told him what it was. He had heard about the gun and jokingly said, 'BUY IT." I called him back ten minutes later and said, "I DID." Quite a gun, but a warning, took me several months of searching to get extra mags for it, and Kel Tec would not respond to my mails about where to find them.
@Jrich767 NO. Perfect zombie gun? Mossberg Tactical 22LR. Why?? It's quiet enough to not have a silencer, easy enough for a child to operate it, your killing zombies (not ragheads with body armor), and most importantly its a .22LR, HOW CHEAP ARE THOSE AMMUNITION. I rather have a shoe box filled with .22LR ammo than a small package (20) of 30.06 ammo.
Increase the barrel length, make a silencer standard equipment, mount infrared laser sights, and use this as a sniper rifle. Miles ahead of the tired, old M40 and M24. In range, rate of fire, user-friendliness, and probably cost too.
@mechmusician No one really uses the M40 or M24 anymore. They are being traded out for the newer version's in .300 Winmag. There have been shot's out over a mile with the .300 Winmag already.
@Joe11Blue That's great, but this would still be more practical modified as a sniper weapon. We have .50cals for that range. .300 mag is just one more round to keep in stock. Expensive. Best to use innovative weapons to use what we already have.
@mechmusician It would never make it as the so called "sniper rifle" There's no way to make a system like this accurate out to the ranges required. Wait, so you suggest using a .50 cal round at about $10 a round, and requiring a massively heavy rifle, over converting to a round that is about half the cost, is readily available, and uses the same lightweight platform. This forces me to ask if you've ever carrying a rifle or a significant amount of ammunition for any distance like what we cover.
@Joe11Blue You're right, the operating system is not meant to for sniping. But it can easily make up for it in barrel length because of the bullpup design. Give it a 36" barrel to make it the same length as the m40 (which only has a 24" barrel), while still being lighter. Then it will have a 1500m range as well.
I wasn't talking about troops carrying new rounds. I was talking about the logistical costs of bringing a new round into the system. Bureaucratic, but those costs add up quick.
@mechmusician There's no way in hell you are going to get any accuracy out of the .308/7.62 out at 1500M. you are pushing the the capabilities of the round at 1000M. Most marksman stay around 800M with 7.62 because the ballistics start falling off around there.
There are no additional Logistics costs. All of the ammo in the military is made at the same factories that make the civilian ammo. All they do is order it. The rifles were originally chambered for .30-06, same cartridge as .300winmag
@mechmusician They offer a longer barrel. After they failed to respond to my requests for extra FAL mags, I gave up on further purchases. I will keep the rifle, but as is, scope and as it came from the factory.
@jetkingknight I think you'll find many of the bullpup designs look remarkably similar in overall aesthetic. Likelihood is, the battlerifle you are referring to there is inspired by the various bulpup designs used in the real world - such as this RFB.
From experience with a m240g on a bipod the in a defensive position the 7.62 nato kicks like a damn mule. Bullpup, starndard, or belt fed machine gun. but the 5.56 bullpup of choice is the AUG platform. I own one and i like it better than any other assult rifle i have shot. compact accurate and a recoil that doesn't matter. Might i suggest the MSAR STG-556. Better than Steyr imho
better get ur bullpups while you still can. they would likely be the next thing the globalist elite minions try to take from us. to me there just as good as an sbr if not better.
that recoil surprised me when i saw the first guy pull the trigger. the third guy appears to have the best stance and isnt affected as much. i read something about the trigger not having that sloppy feel that bullpups typically have. the trigger on my ps90 pisses me off because its so sloppy
I am a big bullpup fan. usually they dont recoil so bad because of their configuration. but this damn thing looks like it kicks like a pissed off elephant.
@jeremyhere2002 yeah, 7.62 NATO in a bullpup configuration doesn't seem like it offeres the greatest in controllability. it would be interesting to see how this would handle if it were chambered in the standard 5.56 NATO. could be badass.
I saw that too. Almost every vid here shows the same thing except mine.
Search KEL TEC FRB REVIEW PWS and you'll see. Bullpups are squirly and take some getting used to. I put a brake, proper forward grip and cheek rest on mine and it stabilized nicely, with a proper "Magpul Dynamics" type stance.
@coolvideo28 I know,lol. The .308 does not kick.It only produces about 2800 foot pounds of muzzel energy.To my strong shoulders the kick just feels like a gnat landing on me.But your mileage may vary if your not a super tuff roughneck like me,hahahahahaha
@SeamusAlexandr wait... what? A .308 doesn't kick like a 30/30? Based on what? You've obviously never fired both a .308 and a 30/30, or you'd never say that. Judging from your comment, you've fired the 30/30. Brother, find a table of recoils and you'll see -- plain as day -- .308 has more kick, every single time, for all weights. Or you can go fire a .308 and see for yourself. Otherwise, that's a ridiculous comment.
@natsplit In normal weapons you have much greater mass within the bolt and spring so that absorbs more recoil and puts the weight in front of your hand making it a little easier to manually control, this however makes the gun feel heavier, the Bullpup design has less Space so it doesn't have as big a bolt and spring to absorb recoil nor can it bring much recoil pads, and since the weight is mostly in the back the gun feels lightweight but the recoil pull your hand down and back rather than back.
@Umimugo Trick to bullpups is to hold tight to the shoulder, cheek heavy and apply firm pressure to you middle, ring and little finger.
But what you need to take into consideration is the full weight of the rifle against the power of the cartridge. An FS2000 firing a 5.56 weighing 8 pounds there is very little recoil against the also 8 pound RFB. Bullpup designs I find to have lower recoil than conventional rifles of the same calibre. Its more to do with getting used to the ergonomics.
@coolvideo28 i haven't shot one my self but it i'm guessing it's comparable. 308 winchester in a a lightweight, compact design, definatly is one explanation for the recoil
@coolvideo28 its very short, making the blast imediate because the preassures dont have time to travel down a long barrel. also its a bullpump, making the recoil right in the shoulder rather than further away like in an AR, which has a long buffer tube. and finaly it is sevin point six fucking two, very heavy bullet for a small-ish style weapon. but they did it, and made it cool too.(even accepts FAL magazines)
Future in weapon design is not the creation of even more intermediate cartridges: it's to make the exiting ones manageable. There are tons of system that can be utilized I'm surprised they didn't apply them to this rifle.
@satinwarship Actually, I'm kinda pissed at Bill Gates. If he hadn't made Windows such an easy to use interface, then we'd have a sort of natural filter on discouraging dumbass comments like this one by making it so you'd need at least a minimal amount of sense to even use a computer. Instead, we get this.
little concern the rounds ejection is basically pushs each other out just saw the acton in another video but i still love it if i ever get one im defenantly doing a 100 round test for relibielty
This video showes the problem with this rifle. The bolt i too long = heavy. Witch is the cause of the high recoil. Critical in gun design. keep the moving light!!
@MrLawc The high recoil is because its firing .308 Winchester. It is a gas operated system; more complex and heavy than an AR, but still not the reason for the recoil. Its the cartridge.
I found an interview with a Kel-Tec employee online. In it, he said that in addition to .308, there'd be .223, 7.62x39, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8, and - this is the one that gets me more excited - .243 Winchester.
Obviously .308 and .260 are going to be the top performers, but I personally like the .243's availability, and middle-ground power - right between the .223 and .308, but still very, very easy to find off-the-shelf. The .260 isn't friendly for non-reloaders - limited factory offerings.
@HMG5588 No. This was an old interview/article. It didn't mention dates, just what was coming up. I believe it was written before the RFB had hit market.
Bad ass weapons system, A bit over priced. I get that they need to cover R&D But I was hoping Kel-Tek would stick with the every mans gun concept. I want this gun to succeed but pricing it on par with M1A's, AR-10's and higher than the G-3, And FAL's Is going to be an uphill battle. I do like the idea of chambering it in 7.62, the .223 market is already crowded with a lot of great guns. As a poor man gun collector. I think their is alot of money to made in the affordable Semi-auto .308 market.
Any plans to make a model without a moving charging handle? Sometimes the position one may need to shoot from could conflict with that part of the weapons violent movement... Not hatin'-just sayin'
The gun is too light for a .308 dudes that shit is jumping around like mad, 6.8 would be golden for that light chassis and I bet operators would be all over it.
Kel Tec: Redesign the rifle. Re-chamber it for .260 Rem w/a 20"/24", 1x8 barrel or .223 Rem w/a 16"/18", 1x7 barrel. A rifle this short with that much recoil is not going to sell in great numbers to either the civilian target shooter market or to the military market. .308 WIN muzzle blast that close to your face is just stupid... unless you throw in a free suppressor and convince the BATF that silencers don't kill, idiots with guns out to prove somethiing kill.
@HMG5588 NO.....HELL NO....thats the whole reason people are salivating over it....as soon as the target models are released, im buying...i would even consider the carbine version.....if you cant take the heat....get a FN F 2000....and then get the fuck out of the kitchen. This is the best thing that has come out since the AR-15 for civilians....
@fireball676 Boys like you will salivate over chocolate covered donkey shit if I told you it would put hair back on your scalp. Please do me a favor. Go ahead and spend your 1.6K to 1.9K in hard earned money now on a 18" barreled .308 WIN RFB I see available in Guns America or Gun Broker and shoot it. If you're a bad shot to begin with, it won't matter how badly you shoot it. If you're a trained marksman, you'd wait for a .223 cal or 6.5 cal RFB to come out and grill up some bbq, JACKASS!
@HMG5588 you must not have a lot of experience...i normally use a .300 win mag out of a bolt action winchester model 70....you just have no nads...you are a shrimp im sure...im a little over 6'3 180....fuckin pussy. I dont think this would have as many perspective buyers as it does if it were not market able. You just have an exceptionally large vagina....go get an AR-15. Fuckin panzy. And i am trained, quite well. I prever bullets that knock you the fuck out rather than put a little hole in you
@fireball676 Just the retort I would expect from a jackass. Let me school your ass: If you're using a 300 WIN Mag out of a bolt gun that has a 24" to 26" barrel for taking down animals, stick with that platform. If you're using that rifle for target shooting on steel or paper, then you're compensating for personal issues that only your doctor or psychologist can help you with. Since you choose to threaten me with actually shooting me, all I can say is: "FUCK YOU IDIOT!!!"
@HMG5588 actually i dont know how you got a threat out of that...maybe you didnt pass high school english....no i use the .300 in a 26 inch platform for 800 yds plus only....i have other calibers i use up close.....you really have no clue who you are speaking to...what experience i have, and why i choose the calibers. You are a few eggs short of a dozen bud...you dont have the tactical training, nor do you understand how to handle a rifle if you cant handle an RFB. Ive shot my share of bullpups
@fireball676 I know exactly who I'm speaking to. I'm speacking to a jackass. And that is proof that jackasses can actually learn reading, writing, and the use of a computer. But you, jackass, haven't learned how to communicate an intelligent argument to support your position. You immediately resort to name calling and vailed threats. That's the signature of a jackass. So I'm resorting to my juniorhigh level of conversing to communicate to you... Jackass.
@HMG5588 if you want a .223, go buy an f-2000, some of us would rather have the knock down power of the RFB....not everyone likes a spineless rifle, and the 6.8 is over priced and really has no attractive features to me...its called compensation...if you have too much recoil they have compensators and muzzle breaks for that.
@fireball676 So let's see if you graduated yet: What are you shooting at with a 300 WIN Mag? If you are on active duty and over sees, then great! You have the right pipe for smoking humans at that range. If you are state side and at grandpa's rifle range shooting paper, then why are you using an inferior & ballistically inefficient caliber & cartridge to pop a hole in paper at any distance? Give your answers test boy.
@fireball676 I'm not done yet. How many rounds can u shoot "accurately" w/ a 300 WIN Mag before ur shoulder says "no mas", u start flinching, & ur upper torso starts shying away from a massive kick in the chest? If you're military, trade that rifle in for a 308 WIN now before u come home in a bag. A 77 gr .223 REM does everything fine at 400 yrds & closer out of an 18" to 20" barrel with all day endurance. A 139 to 142 gr .260 REM out of a 24" to 26" barrel gets u you out to 1K easy.
@HMG5588 .260 rem isnt a standard round...the military is shying away from the 5.56. Ive never met my round limit with the .300...personally i love the cartridge. I have various center fire calibers and that is by far my favorite. And no im not military. Will be soon though. And no the .300 is actually ballistically advanced to other calibers such as the .338 lapua. Loaded with a 220 grn coming out of a 1x10 twist rate barrel will hit with almost the same energy at 1500 yds as standard lapua
@fireball676 Jackass. What are you shooting at with a 300 WIN Mag??? Have you ever even shoot at anything past 1k??? You won't answer because you have no fucking clue what you are spewing? Quick! Hit that wiki sight!!!
@HMG5588 yes i can put it out to 1500 yards accurately. Right now im in the process of changing over to a mike rock barrel..24 inch. Go buy yourself a poon shooter and stop bothering me....you already look like a dick
@fireball676 No. YOU think I'm a dick. I'm actually trying to help you, but you are too dumb and proud to register that. What are you shooting at out to 1,500 yards, a deer??? If so, that is totally unresponsible to the animal. If all you're doing is shooting paper, then a 300 WIN Mag is a waste of money.
point blank i prefer .30 caliber weapons to inferrior .22 caliber rounds...i have large amounts of experience with both, therefore i have the assumption that what i prefer is what i shoot...if you have a problem with it, go get your nearest bullshit no track record round and tell me how that works out for you. I dont care about the 6.8, .260, or the .556, ive used all of them, and still the .308 is a standardized caliber with reloading ease and great efficiency.
@fireball676 What the hell is a "standardized caliber"? If you reload, all commercially available cartridges, calibers, and bullet types are "standardized" dumb shit. Again since you're slow, if you're a hunter, fine. The 300 WIN Mag is fine for that. If you're a target shooter with a 300 WIN Mag, you're retarded, as in stuck in the past and unwilling to learn new things. Define what an "inferior .22" is. Why is it inferior?
@HMG5588 its inferior because of its limited range and killing power....standardized calibers are ones that are readily available and in military use such as nato calibers like .556, .308, .50 bmg, 9mm. And just to fill you in...the seals still use the .300, dont believe me? go to an outside training preparation facility. You will find that i know a hell of a lot more about this than you do.
@fireball676 You're a civilian. You're not military. You're another "wannabee" who knows nothing about ballistics. For a civilian either hunting or target shooting, define "limited range" for a .223 or 6.5. And again what are you shooting at with a 300 WIN Mag??? Start with answering that question.
@HMG5588 what are you qualifications asshole...and no wannabes dont spend most of their life training just to make it through the training in the military...its called preparation...and i chose to go to college first...go fuck yourself retard. 16x16 steel silhouettes....what ever the fuck i aim at...comprende dip shit?and if i know nothing about ballistics, go consult your local gunsmith about the round....Ive been shooting it a hell of a lot longer than you...fuckin know it all arent you
@fireball676 You're an idiot. Just another dumb punk ass who knows nothing. You have no clue what it takes to become a military sniper or even earn the title of marksman. Learning to shoot is the easiest part of that class. You jackass. Stick to popping soda cans with a BB gun in your backyard you child. By the time you smoke one combatant sniper with your 300 Win Mag, you're going to have 4 bullets rattling in your head from 4 other snipers training in on your position dumb fuck.
@HMG5588 im not going in the military to become a sniper....guess again....haha sniper training is really nothing to worry about...they take guys who have never shot more than a .22 and turn them into snipers....all it takes to get into the school is peak physical condition and a good grouping in qualification. And apparently youve never heard of carlos hathcock...he used the .300 quite a bit, along with the m25 and .50bmg...the .50 was shot out of a m2a1 with a welded scope mount....2,231M kill
@HMG5588 and calling me a child isnt helping your case...obviously ive got you by the balls....and sorry soda cans are for people like you who dont really have a clue about ballistics...which you dont....and you never fight against multiple snipers..especially when you enemy is using a piece of shit communist half ass sniper rifle with 50 year old ammunition....most snipers do support by long range engagement. You really dont know what you are talking about do you?
@HMG5588 i have an AK-74...i believe i do know why....large piston which is build directly into the bolt, loose tolerances and simplistic design.....believe me...i know way more about it than you do.....i also know how to reduce the recoil to a near poke, and how to make one accurate....actually the polish tantal Wz 88 solved it..which is the AK-74 i own. The piston housing is not connected to the hand guard like other AK variants...it will produce a 1.5 inch group at 100 yds
@HMG5588 They didnt fully switch....they just picked it up and liked the reduced recoil with the lighter slimmer round....also the flipping action when it hits the tissue of the body...thats not my point....i agree that the 5.56 causes a lot of tissue damage, but i prefer range to flipping.
@fireball676 Again you fail to understand the impact of recoil on quick follow up shots. Your first shot out of a cold barrel at range with variable wind conditions is going to miss. And by the time you resettle yourself for another shot, it's time to move and fast. A 300 WIN Mag is OK against a deer, but against a deer with a rifle, you better pray for a first hit. At 400 yards, I can bury 5 .223 rounds in your chest before you sqeeze off a second shot in 300 WIN Mag.
@HMG5588 I dont intend to use the RFB in the 18 inch platform...thats why i havnt bought it...i want the target model, or one with a 24 inch barrel because for some reason they are wanting a 32 inch barrel...to me thats a bit over kill. I also like the 8mm mauser, and i reload it...and it actually performs very very well. And yes i would use a 5.56 within 500yards, but anything beyond that its a hail mary in terms of stopping power.
@fireball676 With my .260 REM Surgeon M40-A1 copy, I can out shoot any 308 WIN or 300 WIN Mag shooter in both speed of delivery and accuracy within 1K yards.
@HMG5588 any other questions? By the way..the AK-47 cant hit the broad side of a fucking barn past 200yds...i prefer the SKS....just as reliable, more sturdy, better accuracy and better manufacturing....I dont like guns that make 6 inch groups at 100 yards....best ak i have ever seen couldnt group better than 5 inches at 100...and no, that wasnt me shooting...i wont buy one...unless it an arsenal...and thats because they are precisely manufactured
@fireball676 You have no fucking clue what the difference is between kinetic energy and force. At what range are you hitting a target with 2,400 ft-lb of "kinetic energy" dumb ass?
@fireball676 Shooting a 300 WIN Mag, 220 gr Sierra MatchKing out of a 26" barrel with a muzzle velocity (mV) of 2,800 fps generates a muzzle KE (mKE) of 3,830 ft-lb (lots of recoil). At 425 yards KE is rougly 2,400 ft-lb. You only need ~ 500 ft-lb to make a clean quick kill with a FMJ style bullet placed within the "T" zone of the face. My .260 Rem, 142 gr Sierra MatchKing out of a 24" barrel has a mV of 2,700 fps, a mKE of 2,265 ft-lb (41% less recoil) and 1,300 ft-lb KE at 425 yards.
@HMG5588 and you are very correct......i understand that and im not arguing it....yes i understand the guy here is having a hell of a time controlling the beast...but he could have installed a break...which would cut the recoil by a good 15-25%...but i will not buy the 18 inch...i want the 24 or 32 inch model...with a muzzle break...i understand the purpose of a Bullpup...but they you have to look at guns like the DSR-1 which uses .308, .300, .338.
@fireball676 A month ago, I bought the Guns & Ammo magazine titled Bullpup Rifles. That's how I discovered the RFB. I want the rifle, but not .308 WIN in any barrel length. Ideally, I'd like it if Kel Tec produced a .260 REM version with a 20" barrel. I figure that comes out to an mV ~ 2,500 fps & mKE = 1,943 ft-lb (mild recoil) using a 142 gr Sierra MK. At 600 yards mKE is 893ft-lb. That will take down a grizzly at full gallop provided you got a clean head shot at 600 yards.
@fireball676 I have looked at the DSR-1 too. It's a bolt action gun. Should be awesome on the range, but I want a compact semi auto that I can take on mountain trails and be ready for a close encounter with an angry mama bear or cougar protecting her babies. The RFB looks to be ideal "IF" they make a version I'd buy. Time will tell. We only have 42 weeks before all hell breaks loose all over the world.
@HMG5588 haha 42 weeks? Yea isnt the .260 a .308 case with a narrowed neck and collar....Now i see where your money comes from...I am a homeland security major...yes that is a major...and a minor all lumped together...ive pretty much decided to devote my entire life to that kind of work...along with military.
@fireball676 Oh u'r laughing! Yea. The world will be rocked by an earthquake on May 21, 2011 that will knock every country back to the stone age. Millions will die. Exactly 153 days later on Oct 21, 2011, the entire universe will be destroyed by God himself. Time to pray. Homeland Security Major? Congrats on that. What can we do for our borders to the south? I don't want to drag politics into this, but consider the leader u will put your life in charge of before you join the Navy.
@HMG5588 Where did you hear the earth quake story? Ive never even heard that on...and i read all that shit haha. As far as the borders...well im pretty conservative...the best thing i can think of doing is legalizing marijuana #1, that kills part of their cash crop business and forces it to be regulated. Then i would go for the kill factor when it comes to the cartels...theyve been letting them have free reign..they need to adopt a policy when it comes to being offensive about them.
@fireball676 I agree. However, we have an administration that has no clue what it takes to defend our troops on foreign soil (Review the rules of engagement we have been forced into by the Pentagon.) much less our own southern borders. Obama is fucking joke and should be... thrown out along with every incumbent politician. The entire democratic party should be flushed down the sewer and the republican party sold their souls to the radiacl religious right 20 years ago. It's the end.
@HMG5588 i dont align myself with either party....im a realist, and what i see right now is a cluster fuck...i dont believe we lot korea, we won all the battles in Vietnam but had to withdraw before the job was finished....Yes i agree with you about afghanistan and Iraq....they should have all been taken out in one effort instead of allowing the combatants to move throughout the borders of the surrounding countries. Its total horseshit.
@fireball676 If you measure victory at war by land taken, hearts and minds of your enemy won, and a big "welcome home" from the US population, then yes, we lost Korea & Vietnam. We tend to loose wars much quicker at home thru public opinion much faster than on the battle field. Why? Our civilian leaders have no clue what war is or how to win. Ancient Rome never had this problem when building the empire. Ancient Athens did and it imploded fighting the Spartans.
@HMG5588 yea i think presidents should have at least 5 years of military experience as an officer....and possibly should have to fight haha. in the days of warrior kings...confidence wasnt a problem... i know that we dont have charging battles anymore, but they could do something besides look like globalist stooges. People need to have more faith in our soldiers.
@fireball676 We could win any conventional war against any conventional army. But it takes leadership from the soldier all the way up to the commander in chief to make the right battlefield decisions to win. Do we have civilian leaders any more that can do that from the White House? I don't know.
@Bluesummers1296 Is that it? is that all your dumbass mind could come up with? Well here's another jackass to ride around the block. Hey jackass, giddyup! Why don't you start with making an intelligent argument dumbshit?
@Bluesummers1296 God fearing asshole??? Doesn't your asshole fear the Judgment Day of God??? Tell you what smart guy: Call Harold Camping on his AM radio program called "The Open Forum". If you can completely destroy his argument for May 21, 2011 being the "Day of Days", them hat's off to you. You will be doing millions around the world listening to that show a favor. I tried and failed. And now I believe. And yes, I am scared.
@Bluesummers1296 In the Bible concerning Judgment Day, God does not state giving us any sign of the end other than the signs of Noah and Jonah. Noah: People will scoff at the idea of the end coming soon, then sudden destruction will fall upon them all. Jonah: The wicked city of Nineveh was given a 40 day notice for destruction. They all repented and were saved. So here's your 40 week notice asshole! Don't be a pussy and start reading the Bible.
@Bluesummers1296 Ur referring to the book "1994?". Do ur research before making ignorant conclusions. On pg 491 Camping explains that Judgment Day may come in 2011 exactly on May 21. It's tied to Noah's flood which occurred on May 21, 4990BC. That's exactly 7,000 years apart. The Sept. 7, 1994 date is what the book is about. It's when God canceled the authority of all churches on earth. On May 21, 1988 (exactly 2,300 days prior) satan was given rule over everything as antichrist. Read Daniel 8.
@Bluesummers1296 Faggot??? Is that what your mind has conjured up as being the appropriate insult to wage against me??? What are you afraid of? We're talking about the end of the world here at the hand of God Himself. Is it better to doubt or to believe and pray for forgiveness? What you choose is to call a potential messenger of God a "faggot". Well, ok. It's your ass, not mine.
@fireball676 i agree totally ive been in the military for 4 years and have learned alot on combat been over seas to afghanistan and come home with lil wounds but a true warrior is one who dies for his family and friends rip my brothers
@fireball676 I listen to Harold Camping's "The Open Forum" call-in show on AM radio every day on the drive home from work. He has convinced me that Judgment Day will begin on May 21, 2011. I have tried to debunk him for over 18 months now by investigating every Biblical claim he states and I can't disagree with him. He's either a true prophet or an evil old man systematically destroying the entire Christian faith. I think he's a prophet. If you can debunk him with the Bible, go for it.
@HMG5588 i have heard a lot of things....and they are interesting...but at the same time no man knows the end of time or judgement......there is a lot left to be done here........i read a long time ago that part of the puzzle was a mass scale war larger than the one we are in now within the middle east...nukes and all...I dont think its quite time yet...but we are at a crossroads and i want to be part of the events happening. I have a lot of motivations for my career choice.
@fireball676 Our historical understanding of the Bible and the Book of Revelation has been wrong for 1,961 years ever since the first Christian church was started in 33 AD. Camping's explanantion of the Bible makes total sense to me now. It's amazing how much I've learned in 18 months. If you can tune in on that radio show, give it a listen and even call in to stump that 89 year old man.
@HMG5588 yea i can see that...i like reading the books they omitted also...like enoch, and the dead sea scrolls. They should have left the bible alone rather than picking through the books deciding what was right and wrong to them...is he explaining it with a modern context or has he completely redone it
@fireball676 Well he teaches that King James Bible (KJV) is the exact word of God. All other books not in KJV are either works of complete fiction by the "human" imagination (not from God) or can not be traced to any specific writer with any source of credibility. According to Harold, the KJV is the most accurate translation to english in existence. All other Bibles in english are filled with mistranslations put in by various Christian church doctrinal beliefs that are totally false.
@HMG5588 please don't drag religion into a video about firearms subjects are not related if you feel the need to discuss this subject that is why all channels have a comment function
@HMG5588 eh politics are bound to get caught up in arms it happens not worth getting annoyed over but when it goes from guns to politics to religion then it's getting out of hand
@ThatFoolishBoy This isn't your living room! If u get offended, then click on a different video for fuck sake!!! Let me help you with that: 1. The Kel Tec in .308 WIN is stupid unless u need to shoot a sasquach in ur living room. 2. Obama & Bush are idiots for repeating mistakes of Korea & Vietnam. As a nation, we have lost the will to fight & win wars quickly & decisively as history has taught humanity through 1000s of wars. 3. The world is going to HELL on May 21, 2011!!! Get ready!!!
@ThatFoolishBoy Well what can I say? Speaking as an American, I can say that there are way too many American idiots with guns that have no clue how to use them effectively and way too many Americans that can't form an intelligent argument to save their lives. What a bunch of jackasses there are on this posting.
@GBoCookies Another jackass. No wonder Osama finds it so easy to hit our weaknesses. With jackasses like you, who couldn't resist yanking a heehaw out of your throat? So who is going to do the dismembering and why would you entertain the thought of laughing at someone's death? What kind of an idiot thinks on this level? Here's where you fucked up: You have nothing smart to say. So shut the hell up jackass.
@GBoCookies Jackass. Kel-Tec would make a lot more money selling either a .223 or .260/6.5 version of the RFB. That's what Kel-Tec should be doing if they want to sell these rifles to 1,000s of domestic weekend target shooters. Until some branch of the military buys this rifle in .308, no smart civi is going to pony up $2k on it so that he can feel like a man at the range or in his living room shooting a sasquach coming through the door.
@HMG5588 I agree with you there. Most people would probably prefer 223 over 308. Plus with the bullpup R&D already done, they have a good stepping stone to branch into 223.
As it stands, I think it's a pretty nifty package. The size of a cqb weapon with the power and range of a battle rifle. Looks pretty good in theory. Would be curious to see how it stands up in reality. It's only about $1200-$1400, reasonable if you compare it to an AR-10 or FAL clone.
all right handed shooters but charging handle on the right? :P
i like it on left side
halomandrummer 1 month ago
Sick gun, but those forward ejecting firearms always look like their pooping out bullets
paulwes1983 2 months ago
Bought the first one that came into the store where I shop on the spot. The clerk was taking it out of the box, he also seeing it for the first time. I called my son immediately, told him what it was. He had heard about the gun and jokingly said, 'BUY IT." I called him back ten minutes later and said, "I DID." Quite a gun, but a warning, took me several months of searching to get extra mags for it, and Kel Tec would not respond to my mails about where to find them.
OldWriter205 4 months ago
if they would make this in a 6.5 grendel it would be the perfect rifle for military and home defence
IzInAZ 4 months ago
Learn you weapon I grew up on an m37 dsps(12ga) started shooting at 7 with it. People think a 12ga is hard hitting phh.
cv0lv0g0 6 months ago
does this use the guts of an M14/M1a?
LemoneyFishmas 8 months ago
@LemoneyFishmas Think of it as a bullpupped FAL, adjustible gas system and all. Also uses FAL magazines.
francis32704 5 months ago
The .308 may kick hard, but it sure hits the fucker on the other end!
Ironfistconsumerist 8 months ago 4
es ambidiestro?
krhonhos 9 months ago
@krhonhos Si.
blaquiste 9 months ago
@blaquiste agradesco la respuesta
krhonhos 9 months ago
what about rileatbiliy¿
kord127 10 months ago
Perfect zombie gun.
Jrich767 10 months ago
@Jrich767 NO. Perfect zombie gun? Mossberg Tactical 22LR. Why?? It's quiet enough to not have a silencer, easy enough for a child to operate it, your killing zombies (not ragheads with body armor), and most importantly its a .22LR, HOW CHEAP ARE THOSE AMMUNITION. I rather have a shoe box filled with .22LR ammo than a small package (20) of 30.06 ammo.
just saying... but it's all fun and games.
longestusernameiknow 10 months ago
@longestusernameiknow Or the Remington 597.
Jrich767 10 months ago
Yeah that kick looks like they are getting punched repeatedly in the face...
monkeysize 10 months ago
i can't get my eyes off the ejection port!!! looks freakin awsome!!! it is literally spitting out shells!!!
lcy85 10 months ago
The recoil on this things looks like getting punched in the shoulder.
FatmanH 10 months ago
@FatmanH
Well it is a .308
mememe123xyz 10 months ago
@mememe123xyz yeah but there are plenty of other .308's that don't look like they have that much recoil.
FatmanH 10 months ago
Increase the barrel length, make a silencer standard equipment, mount infrared laser sights, and use this as a sniper rifle. Miles ahead of the tired, old M40 and M24. In range, rate of fire, user-friendliness, and probably cost too.
mechmusician 11 months ago
@mechmusician No one really uses the M40 or M24 anymore. They are being traded out for the newer version's in .300 Winmag. There have been shot's out over a mile with the .300 Winmag already.
Joe11Blue 10 months ago
@Joe11Blue That's great, but this would still be more practical modified as a sniper weapon. We have .50cals for that range. .300 mag is just one more round to keep in stock. Expensive. Best to use innovative weapons to use what we already have.
mechmusician 10 months ago
@mechmusician It would never make it as the so called "sniper rifle" There's no way to make a system like this accurate out to the ranges required. Wait, so you suggest using a .50 cal round at about $10 a round, and requiring a massively heavy rifle, over converting to a round that is about half the cost, is readily available, and uses the same lightweight platform. This forces me to ask if you've ever carrying a rifle or a significant amount of ammunition for any distance like what we cover.
Joe11Blue 10 months ago
@Joe11Blue You're right, the operating system is not meant to for sniping. But it can easily make up for it in barrel length because of the bullpup design. Give it a 36" barrel to make it the same length as the m40 (which only has a 24" barrel), while still being lighter. Then it will have a 1500m range as well.
I wasn't talking about troops carrying new rounds. I was talking about the logistical costs of bringing a new round into the system. Bureaucratic, but those costs add up quick.
mechmusician 10 months ago
@mechmusician There's no way in hell you are going to get any accuracy out of the .308/7.62 out at 1500M. you are pushing the the capabilities of the round at 1000M. Most marksman stay around 800M with 7.62 because the ballistics start falling off around there.
There are no additional Logistics costs. All of the ammo in the military is made at the same factories that make the civilian ammo. All they do is order it. The rifles were originally chambered for .30-06, same cartridge as .300winmag
Joe11Blue 10 months ago
@mechmusician They offer a longer barrel. After they failed to respond to my requests for extra FAL mags, I gave up on further purchases. I will keep the rifle, but as is, scope and as it came from the factory.
OldWriter205 4 months ago
I WANT ONE. that looks fucking sweet.
salvador0919 11 months ago
what is the sights and mounts setup u have there? i like.
Timb0NZ 1 year ago
But it enables the rifle to be used by both left and right handed people
t1t296 1 year ago
what the hell it the bunifitof it ejecting forward? it makes the gun more complicated and more likely to jam.
xxuncexx 1 year ago
halo battlerifle much?
jetkingknight 1 year ago
@jetkingknight I think you'll find many of the bullpup designs look remarkably similar in overall aesthetic. Likelihood is, the battlerifle you are referring to there is inspired by the various bulpup designs used in the real world - such as this RFB.
TheEnglishRedneck45 1 year ago
From experience with a m240g on a bipod the in a defensive position the 7.62 nato kicks like a damn mule. Bullpup, starndard, or belt fed machine gun. but the 5.56 bullpup of choice is the AUG platform. I own one and i like it better than any other assult rifle i have shot. compact accurate and a recoil that doesn't matter. Might i suggest the MSAR STG-556. Better than Steyr imho
jeremyhere2002 1 year ago
better get ur bullpups while you still can. they would likely be the next thing the globalist elite minions try to take from us. to me there just as good as an sbr if not better.
rcroach23 1 year ago 33
@rcroach23 better
TheAlexagius 10 months ago
@rcroach23 amen to that brother
ACMan5000 4 days ago
Looks like it kicks like a mule! Ouch! Maybe a sound moderator on the end would calm it down a bit?
MKPSG12 1 year ago
that recoil surprised me when i saw the first guy pull the trigger. the third guy appears to have the best stance and isnt affected as much. i read something about the trigger not having that sloppy feel that bullpups typically have. the trigger on my ps90 pisses me off because its so sloppy
rcroach23 1 year ago
@rcroach23 the third guy was probably shooting beforehand.
kevlarsniper1 1 year ago
I am a big bullpup fan. usually they dont recoil so bad because of their configuration. but this damn thing looks like it kicks like a pissed off elephant.
jeremyhere2002 1 year ago
@jeremyhere2002 Yea, that caught my eye too.
AlNouveau 1 year ago
@jeremyhere2002 yeah, 7.62 NATO in a bullpup configuration doesn't seem like it offeres the greatest in controllability. it would be interesting to see how this would handle if it were chambered in the standard 5.56 NATO. could be badass.
moronsgetout 1 year ago
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these guys make this thing look like it kicks like a shotgun
DSMtsi23 1 year ago
That first round really put the kick on him.
kip151 1 year ago
What sighting system was used for this demo?
ranger4219 1 year ago
@ranger4219
Looks like an Aimpoint M4 with 3X magnifier
noblinger 1 year ago
it should kick MORE than a shotgun being that light and short
Jerm1179 1 year ago
what caliber is this thing
MrPrivatetv1 1 year ago
@MrPrivatetv1 .308
212driller 1 year ago
these guys make this thing look like it kicks like a shotgun
coolvideo28 1 year ago 37
@coolvideo28
I saw that too. Almost every vid here shows the same thing except mine.
Search KEL TEC FRB REVIEW PWS and you'll see. Bullpups are squirly and take some getting used to. I put a brake, proper forward grip and cheek rest on mine and it stabilized nicely, with a proper "Magpul Dynamics" type stance.
AKEVELFAN 1 year ago
@coolvideo28 I know,lol. The .308 does not kick.It only produces about 2800 foot pounds of muzzel energy.To my strong shoulders the kick just feels like a gnat landing on me.But your mileage may vary if your not a super tuff roughneck like me,hahahahahaha
zeno57 11 months ago
@coolvideo28 Duh, it's a .308/7.62mm NATO - same as an M14 - while not as much kick as a 30/30 it is a round to be respected.
SeamusAlexandr 9 months ago
it still doesnt kick like a shotgun maybe you missed the point of the comment.
coolvideo28 9 months ago
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TROOPERfarcry 7 months ago
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@SeamusAlexandr wait... what? A .308 doesn't kick like a 30/30? Based on what? You've obviously never fired both a .308 and a 30/30, or you'd never say that. Judging from your comment, you've fired the 30/30. Brother, find a table of recoils and you'll see -- plain as day -- .308 has more kick, every single time, for all weights. Or you can go fire a .308 and see for yourself. Otherwise, that's a ridiculous comment.
TROOPERfarcry 7 months ago
@coolvideo28 its a 308. round .. it kicks like a mule!
artacania 9 months ago
@coolvideo28
It does.
77camosoul 7 months ago
@coolvideo28
it's a 7.62x51 in a relatively lighter smaller rifle of this caliber. It'll kick like a shotgun.
reeboki3 7 months ago
@coolvideo28 a .308 WIN is a heavy recoil round and the fact that the weapon is bull-pup just increases that recoil.
Umimugo 7 months ago
@Umimugo
why should a bullpup design increase recoil?
natsplit 7 months ago
@natsplit In normal weapons you have much greater mass within the bolt and spring so that absorbs more recoil and puts the weight in front of your hand making it a little easier to manually control, this however makes the gun feel heavier, the Bullpup design has less Space so it doesn't have as big a bolt and spring to absorb recoil nor can it bring much recoil pads, and since the weight is mostly in the back the gun feels lightweight but the recoil pull your hand down and back rather than back.
Umimugo 7 months ago
@Umimugo Trick to bullpups is to hold tight to the shoulder, cheek heavy and apply firm pressure to you middle, ring and little finger.
But what you need to take into consideration is the full weight of the rifle against the power of the cartridge. An FS2000 firing a 5.56 weighing 8 pounds there is very little recoil against the also 8 pound RFB. Bullpup designs I find to have lower recoil than conventional rifles of the same calibre. Its more to do with getting used to the ergonomics.
randomusernamemygod 7 months ago
@coolvideo28 i haven't shot one my self but it i'm guessing it's comparable. 308 winchester in a a lightweight, compact design, definatly is one explanation for the recoil
RYANSCHLESINGER 4 months ago
@coolvideo28 its very short, making the blast imediate because the preassures dont have time to travel down a long barrel. also its a bullpump, making the recoil right in the shoulder rather than further away like in an AR, which has a long buffer tube. and finaly it is sevin point six fucking two, very heavy bullet for a small-ish style weapon. but they did it, and made it cool too.(even accepts FAL magazines)
AwokenDemon 4 months ago
@coolvideo28 What do you expect , its a 308 in a bullpup design. Big bullet and very little buffer.
mattdidit84 2 months ago
Future in weapon design is not the creation of even more intermediate cartridges: it's to make the exiting ones manageable. There are tons of system that can be utilized I'm surprised they didn't apply them to this rifle.
TheBelva85 1 year ago
That recoil looks brutal. .308 is a difficult cartridge to manage in semi-auto.
PseudoScienceb20 1 year ago
thats some serious kick. id love to see it in full auto
chickitychina133 1 year ago
@satinwarship Actually, I'm kinda pissed at Bill Gates. If he hadn't made Windows such an easy to use interface, then we'd have a sort of natural filter on discouraging dumbass comments like this one by making it so you'd need at least a minimal amount of sense to even use a computer. Instead, we get this.
TROOPERfarcry 1 year ago
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@satinwarship What the fuck are you talking about?
zachj589 1 year ago
Damn he had to man up after that first shot. This thing has some stomp.
TheSoundBarrier 1 year ago
Looks like the recoil is a beast on this rifle. Hm.
yogibeara123 1 year ago
@yogibeara123 it's a 7.62mm nato version... most 7.62mm rifles kick like mules... the recoil takes a bit of training to get used to
BLADEMANDAD 1 year ago
little concern the rounds ejection is basically pushs each other out just saw the acton in another video but i still love it if i ever get one im defenantly doing a 100 round test for relibielty
kullas924 1 year ago
i wonder if the gun is reliable?
1911sa 1 year ago
so your saying that the bolt movement has no impact om recoil?
MrLawc 1 year ago
This video showes the problem with this rifle. The bolt i too long = heavy. Witch is the cause of the high recoil. Critical in gun design. keep the moving light!!
MrLawc 1 year ago
@MrLawc naah, its just a really light gun
TomsGuns 1 year ago
@MrLawc The high recoil is because its firing .308 Winchester. It is a gas operated system; more complex and heavy than an AR, but still not the reason for the recoil. Its the cartridge.
TROOPERfarcry 1 year ago
I found an interview with a Kel-Tec employee online. In it, he said that in addition to .308, there'd be .223, 7.62x39, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8, and - this is the one that gets me more excited - .243 Winchester.
Obviously .308 and .260 are going to be the top performers, but I personally like the .243's availability, and middle-ground power - right between the .223 and .308, but still very, very easy to find off-the-shelf. The .260 isn't friendly for non-reloaders - limited factory offerings.
TROOPERfarcry 1 year ago
@TROOPERfarcry Did this Kel Tec employee give a time table for offering a 6.5 Grendel or .223 Rem version of the RFB for sale?
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 No. This was an old interview/article. It didn't mention dates, just what was coming up. I believe it was written before the RFB had hit market.
TROOPERfarcry 1 year ago
Bad ass weapons system, A bit over priced. I get that they need to cover R&D But I was hoping Kel-Tek would stick with the every mans gun concept. I want this gun to succeed but pricing it on par with M1A's, AR-10's and higher than the G-3, And FAL's Is going to be an uphill battle. I do like the idea of chambering it in 7.62, the .223 market is already crowded with a lot of great guns. As a poor man gun collector. I think their is alot of money to made in the affordable Semi-auto .308 market.
hellya916 1 year ago
ahh the testosterone is soaking into the keyboard with every angry tap of a key
ThatFoolishBoy 1 year ago
Any plans to make a model without a moving charging handle? Sometimes the position one may need to shoot from could conflict with that part of the weapons violent movement... Not hatin'-just sayin'
cmg617 1 year ago
The recoil on this gun looks crazy. Better off with a m16
Solobaric77 1 year ago
@Solobaric77 Lol, That depends on wether a 5.56 Fmj can do the job, i personally prefer the 7.62x51 fmj.
Kylef7735 1 year ago
i can see my self getting burned on one of those
volopok 1 year ago
The two of you need to take a break.
rotorleopard 1 year ago
The gun is too light for a .308 dudes that shit is jumping around like mad, 6.8 would be golden for that light chassis and I bet operators would be all over it.
adobo777 1 year ago
@adobo777
6.8 6.5 and i might have a boregasm
istarianjinsama 1 year ago
...yes, great idea!
DT5236 1 year ago
Kel Tec: Redesign the rifle. Re-chamber it for .260 Rem w/a 20"/24", 1x8 barrel or .223 Rem w/a 16"/18", 1x7 barrel. A rifle this short with that much recoil is not going to sell in great numbers to either the civilian target shooter market or to the military market. .308 WIN muzzle blast that close to your face is just stupid... unless you throw in a free suppressor and convince the BATF that silencers don't kill, idiots with guns out to prove somethiing kill.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 NO.....HELL NO....thats the whole reason people are salivating over it....as soon as the target models are released, im buying...i would even consider the carbine version.....if you cant take the heat....get a FN F 2000....and then get the fuck out of the kitchen. This is the best thing that has come out since the AR-15 for civilians....
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 Boys like you will salivate over chocolate covered donkey shit if I told you it would put hair back on your scalp. Please do me a favor. Go ahead and spend your 1.6K to 1.9K in hard earned money now on a 18" barreled .308 WIN RFB I see available in Guns America or Gun Broker and shoot it. If you're a bad shot to begin with, it won't matter how badly you shoot it. If you're a trained marksman, you'd wait for a .223 cal or 6.5 cal RFB to come out and grill up some bbq, JACKASS!
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 you must not have a lot of experience...i normally use a .300 win mag out of a bolt action winchester model 70....you just have no nads...you are a shrimp im sure...im a little over 6'3 180....fuckin pussy. I dont think this would have as many perspective buyers as it does if it were not market able. You just have an exceptionally large vagina....go get an AR-15. Fuckin panzy. And i am trained, quite well. I prever bullets that knock you the fuck out rather than put a little hole in you
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 Just the retort I would expect from a jackass. Let me school your ass: If you're using a 300 WIN Mag out of a bolt gun that has a 24" to 26" barrel for taking down animals, stick with that platform. If you're using that rifle for target shooting on steel or paper, then you're compensating for personal issues that only your doctor or psychologist can help you with. Since you choose to threaten me with actually shooting me, all I can say is: "FUCK YOU IDIOT!!!"
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 actually i dont know how you got a threat out of that...maybe you didnt pass high school english....no i use the .300 in a 26 inch platform for 800 yds plus only....i have other calibers i use up close.....you really have no clue who you are speaking to...what experience i have, and why i choose the calibers. You are a few eggs short of a dozen bud...you dont have the tactical training, nor do you understand how to handle a rifle if you cant handle an RFB. Ive shot my share of bullpups
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 I know exactly who I'm speaking to. I'm speacking to a jackass. And that is proof that jackasses can actually learn reading, writing, and the use of a computer. But you, jackass, haven't learned how to communicate an intelligent argument to support your position. You immediately resort to name calling and vailed threats. That's the signature of a jackass. So I'm resorting to my juniorhigh level of conversing to communicate to you... Jackass.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 if you want a .223, go buy an f-2000, some of us would rather have the knock down power of the RFB....not everyone likes a spineless rifle, and the 6.8 is over priced and really has no attractive features to me...its called compensation...if you have too much recoil they have compensators and muzzle breaks for that.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 So let's see if you graduated yet: What are you shooting at with a 300 WIN Mag? If you are on active duty and over sees, then great! You have the right pipe for smoking humans at that range. If you are state side and at grandpa's rifle range shooting paper, then why are you using an inferior & ballistically inefficient caliber & cartridge to pop a hole in paper at any distance? Give your answers test boy.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@fireball676 I'm not done yet. How many rounds can u shoot "accurately" w/ a 300 WIN Mag before ur shoulder says "no mas", u start flinching, & ur upper torso starts shying away from a massive kick in the chest? If you're military, trade that rifle in for a 308 WIN now before u come home in a bag. A 77 gr .223 REM does everything fine at 400 yrds & closer out of an 18" to 20" barrel with all day endurance. A 139 to 142 gr .260 REM out of a 24" to 26" barrel gets u you out to 1K easy.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 .260 rem isnt a standard round...the military is shying away from the 5.56. Ive never met my round limit with the .300...personally i love the cartridge. I have various center fire calibers and that is by far my favorite. And no im not military. Will be soon though. And no the .300 is actually ballistically advanced to other calibers such as the .338 lapua. Loaded with a 220 grn coming out of a 1x10 twist rate barrel will hit with almost the same energy at 1500 yds as standard lapua
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 Jackass. What are you shooting at with a 300 WIN Mag??? Have you ever even shoot at anything past 1k??? You won't answer because you have no fucking clue what you are spewing? Quick! Hit that wiki sight!!!
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 yes i can put it out to 1500 yards accurately. Right now im in the process of changing over to a mike rock barrel..24 inch. Go buy yourself a poon shooter and stop bothering me....you already look like a dick
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 No. YOU think I'm a dick. I'm actually trying to help you, but you are too dumb and proud to register that. What are you shooting at out to 1,500 yards, a deer??? If so, that is totally unresponsible to the animal. If all you're doing is shooting paper, then a 300 WIN Mag is a waste of money.
HMG5588 1 year ago
point blank i prefer .30 caliber weapons to inferrior .22 caliber rounds...i have large amounts of experience with both, therefore i have the assumption that what i prefer is what i shoot...if you have a problem with it, go get your nearest bullshit no track record round and tell me how that works out for you. I dont care about the 6.8, .260, or the .556, ive used all of them, and still the .308 is a standardized caliber with reloading ease and great efficiency.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 What the hell is a "standardized caliber"? If you reload, all commercially available cartridges, calibers, and bullet types are "standardized" dumb shit. Again since you're slow, if you're a hunter, fine. The 300 WIN Mag is fine for that. If you're a target shooter with a 300 WIN Mag, you're retarded, as in stuck in the past and unwilling to learn new things. Define what an "inferior .22" is. Why is it inferior?
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 its inferior because of its limited range and killing power....standardized calibers are ones that are readily available and in military use such as nato calibers like .556, .308, .50 bmg, 9mm. And just to fill you in...the seals still use the .300, dont believe me? go to an outside training preparation facility. You will find that i know a hell of a lot more about this than you do.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 You're a civilian. You're not military. You're another "wannabee" who knows nothing about ballistics. For a civilian either hunting or target shooting, define "limited range" for a .223 or 6.5. And again what are you shooting at with a 300 WIN Mag??? Start with answering that question.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 what are you qualifications asshole...and no wannabes dont spend most of their life training just to make it through the training in the military...its called preparation...and i chose to go to college first...go fuck yourself retard. 16x16 steel silhouettes....what ever the fuck i aim at...comprende dip shit?and if i know nothing about ballistics, go consult your local gunsmith about the round....Ive been shooting it a hell of a lot longer than you...fuckin know it all arent you
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 You're an idiot. Just another dumb punk ass who knows nothing. You have no clue what it takes to become a military sniper or even earn the title of marksman. Learning to shoot is the easiest part of that class. You jackass. Stick to popping soda cans with a BB gun in your backyard you child. By the time you smoke one combatant sniper with your 300 Win Mag, you're going to have 4 bullets rattling in your head from 4 other snipers training in on your position dumb fuck.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 im not going in the military to become a sniper....guess again....haha sniper training is really nothing to worry about...they take guys who have never shot more than a .22 and turn them into snipers....all it takes to get into the school is peak physical condition and a good grouping in qualification. And apparently youve never heard of carlos hathcock...he used the .300 quite a bit, along with the m25 and .50bmg...the .50 was shot out of a m2a1 with a welded scope mount....2,231M kill
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 You ignorant jackass. You have no clue what sniper training is.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 and calling me a child isnt helping your case...obviously ive got you by the balls....and sorry soda cans are for people like you who dont really have a clue about ballistics...which you dont....and you never fight against multiple snipers..especially when you enemy is using a piece of shit communist half ass sniper rifle with 50 year old ammunition....most snipers do support by long range engagement. You really dont know what you are talking about do you?
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 The AK-47 is the most reliable military weapon ever conceived. You are a fool. You don't even know why.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 i have an AK-74...i believe i do know why....large piston which is build directly into the bolt, loose tolerances and simplistic design.....believe me...i know way more about it than you do.....i also know how to reduce the recoil to a near poke, and how to make one accurate....actually the polish tantal Wz 88 solved it..which is the AK-74 i own. The piston housing is not connected to the hand guard like other AK variants...it will produce a 1.5 inch group at 100 yds
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 Oh really??? And what caliber is your AK-74 in you dumb shit???
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 5.45x39
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 Now why did the USSR and most of the world make the switch to smaller caliber ammo? Jackass.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 They didnt fully switch....they just picked it up and liked the reduced recoil with the lighter slimmer round....also the flipping action when it hits the tissue of the body...thats not my point....i agree that the 5.56 causes a lot of tissue damage, but i prefer range to flipping.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 Again you fail to understand the impact of recoil on quick follow up shots. Your first shot out of a cold barrel at range with variable wind conditions is going to miss. And by the time you resettle yourself for another shot, it's time to move and fast. A 300 WIN Mag is OK against a deer, but against a deer with a rifle, you better pray for a first hit. At 400 yards, I can bury 5 .223 rounds in your chest before you sqeeze off a second shot in 300 WIN Mag.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 I dont intend to use the RFB in the 18 inch platform...thats why i havnt bought it...i want the target model, or one with a 24 inch barrel because for some reason they are wanting a 32 inch barrel...to me thats a bit over kill. I also like the 8mm mauser, and i reload it...and it actually performs very very well. And yes i would use a 5.56 within 500yards, but anything beyond that its a hail mary in terms of stopping power.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 With my .260 REM Surgeon M40-A1 copy, I can out shoot any 308 WIN or 300 WIN Mag shooter in both speed of delivery and accuracy within 1K yards.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 any other questions? By the way..the AK-47 cant hit the broad side of a fucking barn past 200yds...i prefer the SKS....just as reliable, more sturdy, better accuracy and better manufacturing....I dont like guns that make 6 inch groups at 100 yards....best ak i have ever seen couldnt group better than 5 inches at 100...and no, that wasnt me shooting...i wont buy one...unless it an arsenal...and thats because they are precisely manufactured
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 You have no fucking clue what the difference is between kinetic energy and force. At what range are you hitting a target with 2,400 ft-lb of "kinetic energy" dumb ass?
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 at least that much KE out of the barrel
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 Shooting a 300 WIN Mag, 220 gr Sierra MatchKing out of a 26" barrel with a muzzle velocity (mV) of 2,800 fps generates a muzzle KE (mKE) of 3,830 ft-lb (lots of recoil). At 425 yards KE is rougly 2,400 ft-lb. You only need ~ 500 ft-lb to make a clean quick kill with a FMJ style bullet placed within the "T" zone of the face. My .260 Rem, 142 gr Sierra MatchKing out of a 24" barrel has a mV of 2,700 fps, a mKE of 2,265 ft-lb (41% less recoil) and 1,300 ft-lb KE at 425 yards.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 and you are very correct......i understand that and im not arguing it....yes i understand the guy here is having a hell of a time controlling the beast...but he could have installed a break...which would cut the recoil by a good 15-25%...but i will not buy the 18 inch...i want the 24 or 32 inch model...with a muzzle break...i understand the purpose of a Bullpup...but they you have to look at guns like the DSR-1 which uses .308, .300, .338.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 A month ago, I bought the Guns & Ammo magazine titled Bullpup Rifles. That's how I discovered the RFB. I want the rifle, but not .308 WIN in any barrel length. Ideally, I'd like it if Kel Tec produced a .260 REM version with a 20" barrel. I figure that comes out to an mV ~ 2,500 fps & mKE = 1,943 ft-lb (mild recoil) using a 142 gr Sierra MK. At 600 yards mKE is 893ft-lb. That will take down a grizzly at full gallop provided you got a clean head shot at 600 yards.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@fireball676 I have looked at the DSR-1 too. It's a bolt action gun. Should be awesome on the range, but I want a compact semi auto that I can take on mountain trails and be ready for a close encounter with an angry mama bear or cougar protecting her babies. The RFB looks to be ideal "IF" they make a version I'd buy. Time will tell. We only have 42 weeks before all hell breaks loose all over the world.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 haha 42 weeks? Yea isnt the .260 a .308 case with a narrowed neck and collar....Now i see where your money comes from...I am a homeland security major...yes that is a major...and a minor all lumped together...ive pretty much decided to devote my entire life to that kind of work...along with military.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 Oh u'r laughing! Yea. The world will be rocked by an earthquake on May 21, 2011 that will knock every country back to the stone age. Millions will die. Exactly 153 days later on Oct 21, 2011, the entire universe will be destroyed by God himself. Time to pray. Homeland Security Major? Congrats on that. What can we do for our borders to the south? I don't want to drag politics into this, but consider the leader u will put your life in charge of before you join the Navy.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 Where did you hear the earth quake story? Ive never even heard that on...and i read all that shit haha. As far as the borders...well im pretty conservative...the best thing i can think of doing is legalizing marijuana #1, that kills part of their cash crop business and forces it to be regulated. Then i would go for the kill factor when it comes to the cartels...theyve been letting them have free reign..they need to adopt a policy when it comes to being offensive about them.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 I agree. However, we have an administration that has no clue what it takes to defend our troops on foreign soil (Review the rules of engagement we have been forced into by the Pentagon.) much less our own southern borders. Obama is fucking joke and should be... thrown out along with every incumbent politician. The entire democratic party should be flushed down the sewer and the republican party sold their souls to the radiacl religious right 20 years ago. It's the end.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 i dont align myself with either party....im a realist, and what i see right now is a cluster fuck...i dont believe we lot korea, we won all the battles in Vietnam but had to withdraw before the job was finished....Yes i agree with you about afghanistan and Iraq....they should have all been taken out in one effort instead of allowing the combatants to move throughout the borders of the surrounding countries. Its total horseshit.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 If you measure victory at war by land taken, hearts and minds of your enemy won, and a big "welcome home" from the US population, then yes, we lost Korea & Vietnam. We tend to loose wars much quicker at home thru public opinion much faster than on the battle field. Why? Our civilian leaders have no clue what war is or how to win. Ancient Rome never had this problem when building the empire. Ancient Athens did and it imploded fighting the Spartans.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 yea i think presidents should have at least 5 years of military experience as an officer....and possibly should have to fight haha. in the days of warrior kings...confidence wasnt a problem... i know that we dont have charging battles anymore, but they could do something besides look like globalist stooges. People need to have more faith in our soldiers.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 We could win any conventional war against any conventional army. But it takes leadership from the soldier all the way up to the commander in chief to make the right battlefield decisions to win. Do we have civilian leaders any more that can do that from the White House? I don't know.
HMG5588 1 year ago
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Bluesummers1296 1 year ago
@Bluesummers1296 Is that it? is that all your dumbass mind could come up with? Well here's another jackass to ride around the block. Hey jackass, giddyup! Why don't you start with making an intelligent argument dumbshit?
HMG5588 1 year ago
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Bluesummers1296 1 year ago
@Bluesummers1296 God fearing asshole??? Doesn't your asshole fear the Judgment Day of God??? Tell you what smart guy: Call Harold Camping on his AM radio program called "The Open Forum". If you can completely destroy his argument for May 21, 2011 being the "Day of Days", them hat's off to you. You will be doing millions around the world listening to that show a favor. I tried and failed. And now I believe. And yes, I am scared.
HMG5588 1 year ago
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Bluesummers1296 1 year ago
@Bluesummers1296 In the Bible concerning Judgment Day, God does not state giving us any sign of the end other than the signs of Noah and Jonah. Noah: People will scoff at the idea of the end coming soon, then sudden destruction will fall upon them all. Jonah: The wicked city of Nineveh was given a 40 day notice for destruction. They all repented and were saved. So here's your 40 week notice asshole! Don't be a pussy and start reading the Bible.
HMG5588 1 year ago
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Bluesummers1296 1 year ago
@Bluesummers1296 You're not offending me. You're only offending yourself. Grow up. Read God's Word or kiss your ass goodbye on May 21, 2011.
HMG5588 1 year ago
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Bluesummers1296 1 year ago
@Bluesummers1296 Ur referring to the book "1994?". Do ur research before making ignorant conclusions. On pg 491 Camping explains that Judgment Day may come in 2011 exactly on May 21. It's tied to Noah's flood which occurred on May 21, 4990BC. That's exactly 7,000 years apart. The Sept. 7, 1994 date is what the book is about. It's when God canceled the authority of all churches on earth. On May 21, 1988 (exactly 2,300 days prior) satan was given rule over everything as antichrist. Read Daniel 8.
HMG5588 1 year ago
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Bluesummers1296 1 year ago
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@HMG5588 see you in a year faggot cause we'll all be fine......
Bluesummers1296 1 year ago
@HMG5588 see you in a year faggot cause we'll all be fine....
Bluesummers1296 1 year ago
@Bluesummers1296 Faggot??? Is that what your mind has conjured up as being the appropriate insult to wage against me??? What are you afraid of? We're talking about the end of the world here at the hand of God Himself. Is it better to doubt or to believe and pray for forgiveness? What you choose is to call a potential messenger of God a "faggot". Well, ok. It's your ass, not mine.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@fireball676 i agree totally ive been in the military for 4 years and have learned alot on combat been over seas to afghanistan and come home with lil wounds but a true warrior is one who dies for his family and friends rip my brothers
ledger45b 1 year ago
@ledger45b exactly ....all of us are pround of you guys...
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 I listen to Harold Camping's "The Open Forum" call-in show on AM radio every day on the drive home from work. He has convinced me that Judgment Day will begin on May 21, 2011. I have tried to debunk him for over 18 months now by investigating every Biblical claim he states and I can't disagree with him. He's either a true prophet or an evil old man systematically destroying the entire Christian faith. I think he's a prophet. If you can debunk him with the Bible, go for it.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 i have heard a lot of things....and they are interesting...but at the same time no man knows the end of time or judgement......there is a lot left to be done here........i read a long time ago that part of the puzzle was a mass scale war larger than the one we are in now within the middle east...nukes and all...I dont think its quite time yet...but we are at a crossroads and i want to be part of the events happening. I have a lot of motivations for my career choice.
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 Our historical understanding of the Bible and the Book of Revelation has been wrong for 1,961 years ever since the first Christian church was started in 33 AD. Camping's explanantion of the Bible makes total sense to me now. It's amazing how much I've learned in 18 months. If you can tune in on that radio show, give it a listen and even call in to stump that 89 year old man.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 yea i can see that...i like reading the books they omitted also...like enoch, and the dead sea scrolls. They should have left the bible alone rather than picking through the books deciding what was right and wrong to them...is he explaining it with a modern context or has he completely redone it
fireball676 1 year ago
@fireball676 Well he teaches that King James Bible (KJV) is the exact word of God. All other books not in KJV are either works of complete fiction by the "human" imagination (not from God) or can not be traced to any specific writer with any source of credibility. According to Harold, the KJV is the most accurate translation to english in existence. All other Bibles in english are filled with mistranslations put in by various Christian church doctrinal beliefs that are totally false.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 please don't drag religion into a video about firearms subjects are not related if you feel the need to discuss this subject that is why all channels have a comment function
ThatFoolishBoy 1 year ago
@ThatFoolishBoy Why didn't you object to all my references to the Obama administration or our wars in Afghanistan and Irag???
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 eh politics are bound to get caught up in arms it happens not worth getting annoyed over but when it goes from guns to politics to religion then it's getting out of hand
ThatFoolishBoy 1 year ago
@ThatFoolishBoy This isn't your living room! If u get offended, then click on a different video for fuck sake!!! Let me help you with that: 1. The Kel Tec in .308 WIN is stupid unless u need to shoot a sasquach in ur living room. 2. Obama & Bush are idiots for repeating mistakes of Korea & Vietnam. As a nation, we have lost the will to fight & win wars quickly & decisively as history has taught humanity through 1000s of wars. 3. The world is going to HELL on May 21, 2011!!! Get ready!!!
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 and so the cycles repeat
ThatFoolishBoy 1 year ago
@ThatFoolishBoy Well what can I say? Speaking as an American, I can say that there are way too many American idiots with guns that have no clue how to use them effectively and way too many Americans that can't form an intelligent argument to save their lives. What a bunch of jackasses there are on this posting.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 Im going to laugh when you're found raggedly dismembered in your living room with large bloody footprints trailing across your back yard.
I don't see how it's useless by any means. It's a compact sub-MOA powerhouse.
GBoCookies 1 year ago
@GBoCookies Another jackass. No wonder Osama finds it so easy to hit our weaknesses. With jackasses like you, who couldn't resist yanking a heehaw out of your throat? So who is going to do the dismembering and why would you entertain the thought of laughing at someone's death? What kind of an idiot thinks on this level? Here's where you fucked up: You have nothing smart to say. So shut the hell up jackass.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 You missed an obvious bit of satire referring how you discerned the RFB as useless for anything other than domestic sasquatch defense.
No need to be so hostile about it, buttermuffins. ;-)
GBoCookies 1 year ago
@GBoCookies Jackass. Kel-Tec would make a lot more money selling either a .223 or .260/6.5 version of the RFB. That's what Kel-Tec should be doing if they want to sell these rifles to 1,000s of domestic weekend target shooters. Until some branch of the military buys this rifle in .308, no smart civi is going to pony up $2k on it so that he can feel like a man at the range or in his living room shooting a sasquach coming through the door.
HMG5588 1 year ago
@HMG5588 I agree with you there. Most people would probably prefer 223 over 308. Plus with the bullpup R&D already done, they have a good stepping stone to branch into 223.
As it stands, I think it's a pretty nifty package. The size of a cqb weapon with the power and range of a battle rifle. Looks pretty good in theory. Would be curious to see how it stands up in reality. It's only about $1200-$1400, reasonable if you compare it to an AR-10 or FAL clone.
GBoCookies 1 year ago