Alan Dershowitz 9/22/11 at Durban Conference

[charles555558]

I like this guy because im a strong supporter of Israel but i want to tell him one thing directly. Mr Dershowitz, you wrote the book "Blasphemy how the religious right" and seems you are bashing chistians. Well sir the "religious right" is the strongest ally for Israel in the world! We defend Israel everywhere. You defend Israel and so do we but yet you bash us?

[TheLoyalOfficer]

I agree with Dershowitz here: the UN is almost useless.

[bne999]

Alan Dershowitz: Thank you for telling it as it is, no beating around the bush, no political correctness, no bullshit. You are SO right, describing the despicable UN for all it is. But antisemitism is so deeply rooted: in Europe, in Arab Muslim culture that Israel can only depend on itself. And believe me - we will.

[musspuss]

@bne999 Dont make me laugh please, Alan dershowitz is a piece of shit lier and the world would be a better place without him.

[fynsr]

@musspuss Greatest man alive. At least he can spell. :)

[musspuss]

@fynsr No that noam chomsky.Alan dershowitz is a tool for the isreal lobby who manipulate idiots like yourself.when you steal someone elses land dont go crying when they blow you the fuck up.The truth is isreal is a fascist state and You are what i call a shitty human being with no morale

[fynsr]

@musspuss AT LEAST HE CAN SPELL :)

(once again)

[musspuss]

@fynsr your no fun,at least he can spell, is that your best.

[fynsr]

@musspuss No, kind sir. I am merely way too occupied to engage a cretin in a debate.

Your comments and mannerism give away your lack of scolarity.

[musspuss]

@fynsr Ooo your so cleaver with your long words.By the way your spelling is poor too.

[fynsr]

@musspuss Hahaha. lolol

It's clever not cleaver. :P

Imbeciles make me laugh.

[musspuss]

@fynsr The reason why you don,t want to get into a debate is because you have no debate.You like to focus on people spelling and not the debate itself.Your comment and mannerism give away your lack of Having nothing to say about the conflict and your also coming across as someone who is stuck up his own ass.lol What a pompous prick you are.

[fynsr]

@musspuss lol.Hint: Spelling mistakes.

[musspuss]

@fynsr Not the last time i did not rush it.you obversely have got nothing left to say.Lol

[oc00011]

@musspuss name ONE lie. unless i missed something, everything he said here is factual - the palestinians approach to "negotiation", israel's approach to negotiation, UN's approach to both, israel's incredible achievements & developments for humanitarian causes. all of this is as factual as it gets.

[musspuss]

@oc00011 dershowitz has be shown up time and time again as a lier and a cheat.Hes a lier because hes lies about the history of the palastian isreal confilt in hes books.Hes lies in court every day to protect hes clients.He just an other lawer that sells himself to a client which is the fascist isreali state.I agree with that idiot on one thing the un has no teeth,If the un had teeth it would kick the isreali nazi state out of that un.

[oc00011]

@musspuss with all ur words u still didn't answer my question. name for me ONE lie in this video. regarding israel, if any1 who's "nazi" its u for saying such a thing. u clearly don't know ur history (i've read the history, & current matters, from Contrasting Sources, palestinian, israeli & foreign) & u obviously don't know the facts at hand with regards to israel's humanitarianism, equal rights to all, freedom of religion,speech,sexuality... most multicultural country in the world after US etc

[musspuss]

@oc00011 i have no time for this video but i have read hes book the case for Israel and there are big lies.He said only 2000 Palestinian fled the west bank in the 67 war when it was more like 200000.You say that Israel give equal right to all bullshit! the way they treat the black Jews from Ethiopia is a disgrace,but i guest someone like you would not know about that.Do you know that Isreal is destroying Palestinian homes to make way for Jewish home do you really think that what a democracy does

[oc00011]

@musspuss with ethiopians some things improved. & its the newest migrants who always find it most difficult & who live in the worst poverty. b4 the ethiopians it was the russians. it takes a long time to integrate. it used to be like this for the middle-eastern jews, now they're completely integrated & there's no discriminiation of different AT ALL between middle eastern & european in israel. i disagree with current settlement building. israel's still better than most 4 equal rights.

[musspuss]

@oc00011 If some people in Israel have equal right and others don't Israel has no right to call itself a democracy.Can you not understand that simple point,i disagree with you on the point you made about the Ethiopian equal rights having improved. There are still many that beg and have no homes and suffer from racism by the white settlers.look i am not saying Israel is worst than the Arab country around it but by European standard Israel has a lot of work to do to be called a democracy.

[oc00011]

@musspuss israel has better democracy than the united states. i cud giv u many examples, if u want? look at the people who beg & have no homes in EVERY democracy & u find its mostly from the newest mass migration group e.g. ethiopians. i'm not saying its right, its just how it is. it takes a long time. there's nothing in israeli law that discriminates against any group i.e. all ethiopians/russians/etc in israel hav full equal rights to education, employment, representative political parties etc.

[musspuss]

@oc00011 I disagree.Palestinians are Israeli citizen too, do they have equal right. no they don't!.Matter of fact they have no rights at all.If a Palestinian house is going to be destroyed there is nothing that they can do to stop it.That is a kind of fascism.You keep telling me what a wonderful country Israel is,Maybe for Jews Lol.You say that Israel has a better democracy then the U.S.,well that not hard is it.I have friends in new York that tell me that Americans has lost many of they freedom

[oc00011]

@musspuss look at the facts on the ground: there's been 63 arab members of the knesset, they represent over 10% of total membership. the arab israelis hav 9 representative political parties. some anti-israel arab members went to talk to gadafi, 1 was even in the flotilla fighting against the country! arab citizens have full rights. some are judges in israel's supreme court, many are doctors, lawyers, university heads... palestinian/arab israelis have more rights than in Any arab country. fact.

[musspuss]

@oc00011 Funny the Arabs in the knesset are classed as traitors and sellout by 95% of palestinians.The Palestinian have 7 political parties that nobody votes for unless there Hamas or fatta.You say Palestinian have full right,do they have the right to have there homes not destroyed.do they have the right to return to the home that was stolen by a Jews settler 20 or 30 years ago .As for a very small Amount of Palestinian having good job,Israel need people like this for propaganda perposes.

[oc00011]

@musspuss "you must stop looking at this conflict from a palestinian point of view, that's where i believe most supporters of palestinian territories go wrong." see what i did there. by the way, i'm a jew, an arab, and a european. i also studied israeli, palestinian & foreign sources my whole life. i lived there many years too, so i know how it is there. now am i still this ignorant bigot u described me to be?

if u had a house with no legal documents, the government cud legitimately move u.

[musspuss]

@oc00011 so that people like you can make the clam that Israel is a wonderful country,that give equal right to all when most Palestinian live like 3rd or 4th class citizens.You must stop looking at this conflict from an Israeli point of view that were i believe most supporters of Israel go wrong.By the way I am nether a jew or an arab.

[oc00011]

@musspuss [continued] ...if u look at the history, the native jews of palestine (who were called "palestinians" until the propaganda campaign in late '60s) were persecuted & kicked out of their millennia-old homes during the same time that the so-called 'palestinians' were getting kicked out by Some zionist factions (Most zionist factions were against expulsion, & wanted coexistence, unlike the arabs' goals). during the same time 472k arabs were exiled, 900k jews were exiled from arab lands.

[musspuss]

@oc00011 That the problem you see there not moving new Palestinian families in,there moving in fascist Jews from new York and New jersey,its called Zionism which i have not raised once in this debate.why do you not address these facts. Before you could not even call the Palestinian by there proper name you called them Israeli Arabs and now you call them the so called palestinians.which tells me a lot about how natural you really are.Why is world opinion totally in support for the Palestinians,

[musspuss]

@oc00011 (con) are we all stupid and you are so right because you lived in Israel. plus don't forget there are many free minded Jews who support the Palestinian cause in Israel today . Many people will say you are still brainwashed today my friend.when you steal someone else country turn the name of it from Palestinian to Israel because the British mandate said it was ok to.assinate and imprison there leaders for over 50 to 60 years,kick them out of there homes,

[oc00011]

@musspuss (israel, like Every country, fcked up yet..) giv me an allegation on violations of human rights by israel, One By One, & i'll happily answer u with everything that i've grown to understand. all i ask is an open mind. i say this bcoz the vast majority of mainstream media are sensationalising the palestinian cause, are biased towards it beyond belief, & are twisting impressionable minds to propagandist (& i don't use the P word lightly) functions. i have good reason to say this. try me.

[musspuss]

@oc00011 I disagree the only biased reporting in the British media is toward the Palestinians and it is much worse in the U.S. media, i am not sure about europe.On human rights Israel has broken more U.N resolution than all country put together.You might not like the U.N matter of fact nether do i. I think they are well to soft on isreal.Do you know that Israel has committed human right violation and the U.N are not allowed to do a thing about it because of the U.S veto at the security counsel

[oc00011]

@musspuss the UN structure:

the racist murders&rapists of darfur women say they care about the rights of palestinian women. the occupiers of tibet care about the occupied, & the butchers of muslims in chechnya care about muslims! >130 palestinians were killed by palestinian forces (gaza takeover) this is 3 times the combined total that was pretext 4 calling special sessions in twice in 2006. the chiefs of palestinian rights, achmadinejad, assad, gadafi, john dugard, said nothing! [UNWatch 2007]

[musspuss]

@oc00011 (con)...... steal there land, treat them like shit,massacre them every once and awhile like sabra and shattlia and the jenen massaces.Not let them travel on all Israeli roads without the proper documetion.Build a big fucking wall right threw some of there lands. keep them living in refugee camp were a lot of them can see there homes that there grandparent lived in.Then the so called Israeli Arab are going to be pissed with you and there will be a reaction from them,

[oc00011]

@musspuss my friend, i instinctively, my whole life, questioned what i learn from school, family, research studies, everything. i want to know truth more passionately than most "free thinkers". u call zionists "fascist jews from US". that's bcoz most from US are this. but MOST zionists worldwide, 2day & in its history, have always been pro-peace, pro-equality for all jews & arabs, pro-2-state-solution. me living in israel brings more insight than a rose-tinted armchair liberal, & i'm a liberal.

[Impulset0]

@musspuss Im sorry but I won't sit back and let you spread nonsense. Israel did not harm 1 single person in the Sabra and Shatila massacre. We may have sit idly by as the Phalangists had their way with the Palestinian civilians but we didn't kill anyone. The BATTLE (not massacre) of Jenin was a military operation against Fatah, Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, not an indiscriminate attack on civilians as you made it out to be. I served in the IDF and treated every Palestinian with respect.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 I don,t have the time to waste on a propagandist of Israel that used to serve the IDF and is trying to convince me that there was no massacre in sabra and shatila when the whole world knows that there was.I bet your really a fundamentalist Zionist that comes on the internet to try to stop people supporting the Palestinian cause.There was a massacre is sabra and shatila it was done by the IDF and there Fascist allys in lebanon. Fact.

[Impulset0]

@musspuss Sorry pal, didn't happen and there isn't a single history book on Earth that will say otherwise. The IDF was 100% guilty of not intervening but did not participate in any massacre.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 So what if you and isreal call it a battle,most of the people outside of Israel know the thruth.Maybe the teaching standard have drop in Israel today or someone is not telling you, because your not learning your true and violent history.Lol

[Impulset0]

@musspuss Fine, call it a massacre it doesn't matter either way. A massacre of terrorists/Palestinian militants. You know once someone picks up a weapon and fires it at you they are no longer a civilian. I bet you think the intifada was just one big act of the IDF bulldozing thousands of innocent Palestinians for no reason. Get your ignorant head out of your ass.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 You are so fall of shit it unreal.Maybe history books in isreal dont talk about it.look I told you already i have no time to waste on a propagagandist for isreal.Go try to shape someone elses mind.

[Impulset0]

@musspuss I don't live in Israel. I'm a Canadian citizen born and raised and schooled. I volunteered 3 years of my life to serve in the IDF so I know what my North American text books say/said. Good, don't waste your time spreading lies, read a few books instead of doing 5 second google wikipedia searches every time you respond to a comment. Asshole.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 You call Me an Asshole.I have tried to be civil but that two times you have tried to insult me.Let me tell u something, if you are trying to intimidate me its not fucking working.Go and try that on a Palestinian child it might work on them. As for you living in Canada and not isreal, Canada is the biggest fucking isreali Cocksucker ever, i am sure you feel right at home there with its pro isreali media and steven harper who love getting fucked up the ars by isreali diplomate with

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 (con)...small dicks.As for you as a person,your nothing but a confused fuck who was brainwashed by the idf and read books that only has the isreali point of view and not the other side.If your a canadian citizen why the fuck did you serve the idf you must be confused,Where does your loyalty lie with canada or isreal, which tell me your really a fucking pig zionest. I have serve no man and no army ever. So you cocksucker have to question how your Canadian or isreali fuck up mind works.

[Impulset0]

@musspuss You didn't show up anybody. What you did show is your total lack of maturity and self-control. Keep spewing your nonsense. It's bringing me great pleasure in knowing I angered you to the point where you posted nothing but insults hahaha. Oh, and my loyalties and patriotism are none of your concern. And it's spelled, 'Israel'.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 It brings you nothing because you didn't anger me its called being passionate,its sad when someone does not know the difference,maybe your just confused once again.Who loss self control you did when you tried to insult me first,so you have to question your lack of maturity and self control.Plus whether or not your a brainwashed fuck hahahaha.Oh and you made the point of being a Canadian citizen and now your to scared to even address it, how sad.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 (con).......last time i looked the idf was isreals army and not a canadian one.So yes i question your patriotism. I am british born and breed, i would only serve the royal armed forces, that real patriotism. So why do you serve the idf ?. Are you a Canadian or an Isreali or a Zionist or just confused . Maybe its about time you picked a country and suck with it,The fact that you didnt answer the question the first time tells me everything i need to know.

[Impulset0]

@musspuss Im Jewish. Israel is every Jew's homeland. Every Jew has the right to become an Israeli citizen and serve in the IDF. There's nothing to be ashamed of. The enemies of Canada/US/Britain/Israel are all the same, it doesn't matter who I fight for. I went overseas for a bigger challenge. New culture, language, enemy. So I guess that makes me an evil brainwashed Jewish Zionist genocidal maniac. I guess dual citizenship is an entirely obscure phenomenon on this planet.

[Impulset0]

@musspuss Either way, my 'patriotism' is unfounded. I'm a proud Canadian and a proud Israeli citizen. I don't need to serve in the Canadian Forces to be loyal or 'patriotic'. You've completely avoided our discussion about your lies surrounding IDF involvement (or a lack thereof in fact) in Sabra and Shatila and turned this into a personal attack on my allegiances. You were scrambling to respond with an answer besides your crap accusations and faulty history. Good luck next time.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 Isreal is a country that should not exist that why i spell it isreal,not because i am a racist but because you stole your country from someone else.There is a saying (No matter how long the thief has your watch,that watch will always be your). I have great respect for what the Jews have archived threw out history, i also went out with a Jewish girl for around 4 years and one of my best best friend is a jews.But Zionism has done nothing but poison your people and the whole middle east.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 (con).....Jews Christian and Muslim live in peace in Palatine before Zionism came along and caused a conflict. Isreal is not the homeland of the Jews, Europe is historically. Even some brave Jewish historians are questioning the calm that Jews came from that part of the world.As for sabra and shatila, there were IDF death squads who went into the camp with there Lebanese ally and killed women and children.were you there to say 100% it didn't happen?.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 (con)......There are many reports from amnesty international that say it happened and it is not just some crazy conspiracy theory.Maybe you have not heard of amnesty international i think it might of been brought up at the U.N. too.If you expected me too believe the zionist state of isreal over amnesty international and the U.N. its not going to happen. As your a confused Zionist i am not surprised you miss it or you have some kind of selective memory when it comes to Israeli crimes.

[Impulset0]

@musspuss Sigh. I can't win arguing with a bandwagoner supporter of anti-Israel rhetoric. You find me 1 piece of evidence, one report from amnesty international stating there were IDF dead squads in the streets of Shatila murdering PLO civilians. Go, now, instead of just pulling random shit out of your ass. As for Jews having a right to live there, we have just as much right to live there as anyone but due to the 48 and 67 attacks on Israel we have expanded so the land is ours, forever

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 Ok it random shit now. i am starting to think that your someone that has not study fuck all.On top of being cofused.Your the one fall of shit,Why don,t you look it up yourself.You should find something on the internet if you look hard enough for it.This is my challenge to you,Don,t just give up after 5 minutes,spend some time on it.When you do, i expect an apology from you Because you are beginning to sound really fucking stupid now when you say it did,nt happened.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 (con)......Because about a week ago i checked up on it myself.one of the things that i remember reading was (i quote) that there are some report that there may have been some involvement from the IDF in the massacre itself.See you were told as a small child that the IDF just surrounded the camp and fired illuminated flares and that Jews and good and palasteians are bad,that bullshit.wake up please.Write back after checking it out.

[Impulset0]

@musspuss Where did you quote this from? You still fail to provide sources. The Kahan commission found the IDF to be INDIRECTLY responsible but no soldier took part in it. mfa.gov.il has the entire report for you there. The Brussels, Belgium trial against Ariel Sharon found him guilty of war crimes for his failure to prevent genocide NOT because IDF soldiers killed civilians. (They can't prosecute due him still being alive)

[Impulset0]

@musspuss Now to shut you up for good, type in google: amnesty international ariel sharon. Click the first link to the amnesty international report ON their website. Thank you, this discussion is over. Now you can go back to spreading lies.

[Impulset0]

@musspuss Don't get me wrong. I think it's horrible the IDF allowed the christian phalangists to go in there and have their way with the PLO civilians. That doesn't however, give you the right to make up bullshit about IDF soldiers murdering innocent people. Sure there are isolated incidents as with any military in any country on earth but to generalize that we murder Palestinians in the street on a daily basis? Nonsense. Total and utter crap. You bangwagon WAY too much.

[musspuss]

@Impulset0 (con)......Please write back so i can show you up some more.

[oc00011]

@musspuss "So what if you and isreal call it a battle,most of the people outside of Israel know the thruth." - so most people from Outside the time and place of 'sabra & shatila' know the truth about it, while the people involved in this craziness of a place (me, my family, & my people) don't know anything.

look back on what u said, & tell me you're normal.

on ur next message, i'm gonna have to give u a whole new comment box. lol.

[musspuss]

@oc00011

[musspuss]

@oc00011 (con)....can you not see that simple logic or is your mind that set from the days of living in Israel. The truth my friend is that the so called Israeli Arabs are the victims of this conflict and the terrorist are the ones in power.

[vixendale]

This is clearly not the infamous "Durban"but a conference to discuss it... Misleading title.

[ekirent]

did he take questions?