The engine fitting on the 190 is amazing for paper based drafting and design! Does that example actually have an authentic BMW 801D, or some other radial? Just wondering, as I thought that one may not have the original engine. I have an article about it somewhere in one of my magazines.
One of 21 new-build examples, fitted with more-easily found and serviced ASh-82 engines of Russian/Chinese origin. One has been fitted with an R-2800. Yes, 2 or 3 of the new-builds have been converted to D-series for future projects, but years away to complete. One genuine WW2 Fw190 is now flying with an original BMW 801 and will debut at the Flying Heritage Collection the weekend of June 18-19 (if they get an oil leak fixed.) A second BMW-powered Fw190 is will be finished soon.
My grandfather was in ww2, know they called P51's? Death trap landers....Any plane you cant see the runway in on a landing, no matter how good its performance in flight or combat is, is sub par. Who cares how awesome it is if you cant land the bloody thing?
What ? you make no sense...and i wasnt insulting anyone...so get over it, who cares if Your father would say anything to mine face to face? Are you now breaking out the whole my dad will beat up yours card? piss off you wanker.
The early P-80's were pieces of sht , yes the Americans had 10 of them sent to Europe in 1944 but they were for testing and they found out they were pieces of crap and unfit for combat..After the war they just stole the German jet engine technology from captured 262's and incorporated it into the later P-80's
@Bugalooob you are off the mark there, for starters the best jet engines of ww 2 were british and the p-80 had a de havilland halford H-1 goblin. The german airframe technology however was a generation ahead of anything the allies had.
They did get updates thru wartime.. But as the allies where bombing Germany Parts and Pieces of engines became hard to find, and allowed the spit to pull ahead of the 190. But over France there where better at that time in the war.
@paullubliner The 262 first flew in 1941 and designed in the late 30's for it's time it was miles ahead of anything like it especially the aerodynamics. The p-80 came along alot later, the 262 was designed as a bomber destroyer if you look at the armament and the type of ammo used on the aircraft. The german designs on the drawing board at the end of the war were a generation ahead of the allies. Infact one of them was used by the soviets and the americans, the F-86 and Mig-15.
@paullubliner The other thing was you were calling the F-86 "all american" yes it was built in america but it was the first American aircraft to take advantage of flight research data seized from the German aerodynamicists at the end of the war. The swept back wings you said was also "all ameircan", north american used the 262 wing profile and swept it back to 35 degrees. Now i'm not saying the germans designed the aircraft but to blindly say german designs had no influence is wrong.
@paullubliner So what if sir frank whittle got some backing from an american? The british had the best jet engines of world war 2 and the germans had the better aerodynamics.
@paullubliner In1939 Ludwig Bölkow and Dr. Albert Betz tested swept wing models for Messerschmitt in a wind tunnel.There was alot of research done right through the war, the allies didn't appreciate this untill after the war.
Why don't you check out the Me P.1101, and tell me why it looks very similar to both the F-86 and Mig-15.The germans did undeed invent swept back wings and you only have to see the designs on the drawing board at the end of the war to see this,have you bothered to look?
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@paullubliner It's pretty obvious now you refuse to give the germans any credit what so ever for anything, have you even bothered yet to look at the Me P.1101 and the many other designs around in 44-45 or is that just to unpatriotic even to think the germans had the wood on the allies in anything? If anything it is you who needs to get a life and maybe read some books from both sides of the fence. Oh the only person who is going to "blow you" is yourself
Have you ever heard of the Me 262 ? - the V-1, the V-2 ? The nuclear development including the implosion device that the US confiscated from the German submarine U-234 which was transporting the A-bomb design and components of the bomb to Japan the Uranium and some parts were used in the Manhattan project to create A-bomb for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
@paullubliner For starters just because i admire some german designs does NOT make me a nazi you friggen IDIOT!!! My country fought the nazis before you entered the war so don't insult me with that sort of bullshit. I love many aircraft designs from all countries just because i like some of the bad guys aircraft doesn't make me one of them, christ even the allied pilots admired the 190 and so on does that make them nazis?? Get over yourself
@paullubliner I never said that all german aircraft was superior to the allied aircraft. like it or not the 190 was the best fighter in the war from 1941-late 1942, the Mk V spitfire was not in the same league BUT... when the Mk IX spiftire and merlin engined mustang and later the Hawker Tempest came into service the ballance changed and all had advantages over the190.
Yea not like today where a baby can push a button sending a air to air missile to down a 10 year experienced fighter pilot. Korea was the golden age of the dogfight
Fantastic to see this flying at Duxford Flying Legends. Please can somebody 'new build' a Mosquito now - it's been far too long since we saw one of those in the air
It was actually the French example which flew at Legends, not this one whichafter being a Duxford for 2 years has still yet to fly - Getting Approval to fly seems to be easier in France that the UK!!
That's good news, are any of them under construction in Britain? - I know the Canadians and Anzacs are keen on the marque. It would please me to have one of them finished in the markings of the aircraft Guy Gibson sadly lost his life in. Then let's have a new build Halifax too lol
There are at least three Mossies under rebuild to airworthy. Two are in Auckland, New Zealand and are essentially new-build. One of these will come to the US. Another Mosquito is under restoration in Canada.
mmmsikim - This is not an original FW190. Its a new build machine constructed by Flug Werk in Germany, and it's powered by a Chinese copy of the Russian Shvetsov ASh- 82 engine.
Makes sense...there's still lots of Shvetsovs around right? AND for various metalurgical reasons the BMWs were not very reliable-they had a reputation for 'eating' their own piston rods.
Why all this rattling of sabres about the swastika on this aircraft?
It isn't on it! The swastika on all german aircraft of the second world war was on the tail plane assembly just above and to the left of the elevators looking at the airaft from this perspective.
If you are talking about the cross on the fuselage then that is very close to the bundeswehrs luftwaffe markings today. Just a point.
PC,,, Wow a terrible throwback to the Clintons.Nothing more than the massive attempt at thought control.,,,All these planes come from a time when the world was in the throws of mind control,,, Why cant they be just enjoyed for what they are with the symbols that are connected to them,,By the way... isnt the swastika a nordic symbol for prosperity
Also, why not remove the Hinomaru symbol from the Japanese replica aircraft of the era? It IS PC madness. The st georges cross represented evil during the crusades should we wipe this from history as well? No of course not. It DOES ruin what is supposed to be a accurate replica aircraft. And whats more pathetic is they even remove Swastika transfers from German WW2 model aircraft. THAT is a joke!! He 111s, Me 109s, FW 190's all recreated with no Swastikas!!
You are rambling- that aircraft cannot display a swastica because in germany (where it is registered) it is illegal to do so - it might make you happy to know that French registered Flugwerke 190 F-AZZJ does bear a swastica. But all this is moot that aircraft is not accurate -it differs from the original in dozens of ways -you are obsessing about a minor detail.
You are right. If I remember correctly The Fighter Collection had to alter it's Indian Chief emblem which sported a swastica, to something more resembling a Maltese cross. It all amounts to a rather petty minded censorship of history, something for which I don't think there can ever be any justification.
Thank you. Plus I went to the Flying legends meet at Duxford a week ago (11th July) and the two FW 190 and one ME 109 all had swastikas on. How come it is ok for them to display it? Strange!!!
Thank you for your reply. I was at Legends too. One of the best I thought, despite the almost entire Fighter Collection not being able to come out and play. The FW190 was wonderful!
well - you weren't alive back in the days when the swastika was the emblem of mass murder, a war of domination, no quarter in battle, oppression and suppresion and SS torture - it's easy enough to forget the horror and admire the technology - I used to love the FW 190, and am still fascinated by them, but how many young men, off to save the world from fascism, were blown out of the sky by these aircraft? I think warbirds should be painted in civilian colors, so no offense to anyone -
SupernalOne - You are right that war is a terrible thing, and the loss of life is tragic, but, I do think anyone offended by the sight of vintage aeroplanes displaying their old service colours and markings is seriously in need of getting a life.
yah, true enough - I would only really argue it if neo-nazis rallied around the display - and even then I'd have to rethink the freedom-of-expression connotations -
Very nice FW 190, even better in alot of ways 'cause it's new. Hats off for building it. The 190 will always be my German favorite, although I have a soft spot for the 109 too. But the 190 was the better plane, no doubt. However.....It had viscious stall characteristics and I remember reading a quote from some American fighter pilot saying he had seen several FW 190's spin out due to tight turning but never a Me 109 out of control.
Beautiful but deadly aircraft. FACT the FW 190 A-6/R6 holds the record for the most heavily armed single seater of the war. 4 30mm cannons in wing packs, 2 20mm cannon in wing roots and 2 7.9mm machine guns in decking!!
P.s. ignore the pathetic P.C. brigade and get some Swastika's on that birds fin!!!
It's not PC- it's German law and I think they have very good reasons to outlaw that symbol- it doesn't distract from the fantastic engineering achievment in recreating the Butcher Bird.
Sorry i disagree. People dont realise that the Swastika is NOT a creation of the Nazis!! I have visited several countries in europe and in Bulgaria for example there are lots of churches decorated with stone swastikas. These churches are 100s of years old proving that it is an ancient symbol. I am an aviation enthusiast and to me the crosses on the fuselage and wings are just as much a reminder of the regime as the Swastika. I think its pathetic!!
I'm fully aware that the symbol itself has a history prior to it's appropriation and use as the nazi logo both in europe and Asia...but so what?.this particular airframe is german owned and based, it cannot bear swasticas as the symbol as outlawed there, that is the business of the German people where for obvious reasons seeing it displayed, causes different feelings than if it were displayed in Britain or the US.
SS3Heydrich As far as i know. I remember reading about these "New Build" FW190's in an avaition magazine. The only original source for these babies, was, the blueprints. They've done a good job of recreating this fine Wartime German fighter.
No, none are currently flying today, but there is one located in Washington that COULD fly. It's ready to go, and they do turn the engine over every now and again... it used to belong to Cavanaugh Flight Museum... makes ya wonder what the new owners are gonna do with it.
If You are satisfied with lookalikes we do have some converted HA1112 and a company in southwest Germany which rebuild a 1:1 copy of the FW190A and are now preparing a FW190D. If You are interested in the replica watch this
watch?v=VGSxosU9N5c
or search "Fw-190A-8/N Test Flight" here on Youtube
I'm pretty sure there is an La-5/7 in the Alpine Fighter Collection, operates out of Wanaka Airfield, South Island, New Zealand. Saw it when I went down for Warbirds earlier this year...
Um, no. but nice joke. Your sentence would be true though for Chinese BMW'ish looking motorcycles/sidecars. They are (are they still?) built on the machinery the Russians had removed from Germany in the late 40's. It would not only be a copy but a rightful ancestor.
As for the radials the Russian Ash-82 and the German 801 do not even share a common ancestry, although both being of American origin.
I worked for BMW Motorrad, which has its home in the old Bramo factory in Berlin Spandau.
Problably. The 190 A-0 to A-2 series used the BMW801 that heaten a lot. But the model B2 correct this problem. Equipping the A-4 to A-9 (A-8 and A-9 has mw50 capacity). The D-9 changed to a linear Jumo engine.
Its an optical illusion that the spinner runs faster than the prop. But the BMW powered FW`S had a transmission which powered a small fan or ventilator behind the prop to cool the engine.
I just discovered something I do know about the FW-190's. Is it common in 190's including the Dora's inline, for the spinner to rotate independant of the props, if so do the 109G's as well? Or is this a function only for this replica?
Beautiful airplane, my Dad even admired them from the left seat of his B-17G, out of Great Ashfield and the 385th BG.... when he wasn't "shitting himself" ... lol.
If I recall correctly, the cooling fan on the wartime BMW engine was geared a 3x propeller speed. For these Flugwerk replicas without a BMW, the fan is constant speed, rotating with the propeller and with ground-adjustable blade pitch for varying flying/weather/temperature conditions.
ahh I see.... the whole plane is a replica not just the power plant and such... I'm learning more and more... so there still are no wartime 190's in operating condition?
Some of the Flugwerk examples will incorporate various original parts or even assume the identity (data plate) of an original if the owner choses. There are two originals under restoration to fly, one owned by Paul Allen of the Flying Heritage Collection (not much info on it since it's kept under wraps) and another in FL with the White 1 Foundation. Also, one Allison-engined D9 replica in FL (not flown yet) and an original D9 project in Belgium with many Flugwerk parts.
it is an optical illusion as the blades change direction at 18 sec when the pilot throttles back. Unless some bright spark has fitted a reverse gear! Lol.
epileptic or photo-sensitive people can get seizures from almost everything - please stop psoting stupid sentences about seizures, if you don't know anything about it! thank you.
It's a pity no operational 801's are available. The engine is a marvelous piece of machinery. In contrast to conventional piston engines it sported a mechanical automatic engine control unit. The pilot selected the desired power and the unit would adjust mixture, prop rpm and blower speed (by switching gears) according to barometric pressure. It also had a cooling fan installed between spinner and cowling which was geared to turn at slightly less than twice crank shaft rpm.
An operational 801 is under restoration for the White 1 project. I don't know the date or time frame for when it will be test run--but I'm guessing it will be a while. It's under re-assembly, but a few parts were being made. Hopefully, a few other rare motors such as the Jumo series and BMWs will eventually be restored to ground running condition--at least.
Fw190 A-8 #931862 "White 1" under restoration by the White 1 Foundation in FL. They are also restoring Fw190 A-3 #0132219 to static for Norway. A second airworthy A-5 #0151227 is at or near completion for Paul Allen's Flying Heritage Collection, but info on it is scarce at this time.
If You think the Frauenkirche in Dresden is original than this bird is original too...but they both are just a shadow of the past....there is no Dresden anymore and no FW 190....its the price of war and the cruelty of the regime....I agree we need to destroy NAZI thinking....but the technology build during that time has nothing to do with that insane ideology...its a great masterpiece...but its origin is destroyed just like Dresdens truth...to be one of the most beautiful cities in Europe
At this event it just did an Engine run and the taxi-ed off the flight prior to the airshow. It has not flown in the UK yet, although I believe it is hoped that the paperwork etc will be in place for it to fly in 2008 - CAA permitting! - but don't hold your breath....
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modern jets have spirals on the engines because the makers are all nazi sympathizers. boeing, airbus, all run by people who wish their planes were being used to advance the Third Reich's frontiers, instead of simply ferrying chavs round Europe for £10 a flight.
lovely plane
TalonMercenary 4 months ago
The engine fitting on the 190 is amazing for paper based drafting and design! Does that example actually have an authentic BMW 801D, or some other radial? Just wondering, as I thought that one may not have the original engine. I have an article about it somewhere in one of my magazines.
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One of 21 new-build examples, fitted with more-easily found and serviced ASh-82 engines of Russian/Chinese origin. One has been fitted with an R-2800. Yes, 2 or 3 of the new-builds have been converted to D-series for future projects, but years away to complete. One genuine WW2 Fw190 is now flying with an original BMW 801 and will debut at the Flying Heritage Collection the weekend of June 18-19 (if they get an oil leak fixed.) A second BMW-powered Fw190 is will be finished soon.
FiveCentsPlease 9 months ago
Still is a lovely plain. It had all to be the best... except time! Love it's very clean shapes.
The1Zabu 1 year ago
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It's an aeroplane!
N.
nicodemusd 1 year ago
☆★ fantastic ★☆
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paullubliner 1 year ago
This is the A-9 version :))
Convict147 1 year ago
Very fast and heavily armed, you didn't mess with the 190.
mrceebees14 1 year ago
@mrceebees14 well the mustangs could lol
DodgeViperACRX 1 year ago
@DodgeViperACRX Yes they could unfortunatley.
mrceebees14 1 year ago
die beste im 2 weltkrieg.................forever
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Das FW190 ist influenced greatly by Hughes H-1
bugsy101073 2 years ago
My grandfather was in ww2, know they called P51's? Death trap landers....Any plane you cant see the runway in on a landing, no matter how good its performance in flight or combat is, is sub par. Who cares how awesome it is if you cant land the bloody thing?
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paullubliner 2 years ago
What ? you make no sense...and i wasnt insulting anyone...so get over it, who cares if Your father would say anything to mine face to face? Are you now breaking out the whole my dad will beat up yours card? piss off you wanker.
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paullubliner 2 years ago
das fw190 ist a copy of hughes H1 !
bugsy101073 2 years ago
@bugsy101073 rubbish!
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The early P-80's were pieces of sht , yes the Americans had 10 of them sent to Europe in 1944 but they were for testing and they found out they were pieces of crap and unfit for combat..After the war they just stole the German jet engine technology from captured 262's and incorporated it into the later P-80's
Bugalooob 2 years ago
@Bugalooob you are off the mark there, for starters the best jet engines of ww 2 were british and the p-80 had a de havilland halford H-1 goblin. The german airframe technology however was a generation ahead of anything the allies had.
pramboy09 2 years ago
They did get updates thru wartime.. But as the allies where bombing Germany Parts and Pieces of engines became hard to find, and allowed the spit to pull ahead of the 190. But over France there where better at that time in the war.
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@paullubliner The 262 first flew in 1941 and designed in the late 30's for it's time it was miles ahead of anything like it especially the aerodynamics. The p-80 came along alot later, the 262 was designed as a bomber destroyer if you look at the armament and the type of ammo used on the aircraft. The german designs on the drawing board at the end of the war were a generation ahead of the allies. Infact one of them was used by the soviets and the americans, the F-86 and Mig-15.
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@paullubliner I don't know how you get that the p-80 was on the drawing board in 1939 considering lockheed didn't ask for a tender till 1943.
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@paullubliner The other thing was you were calling the F-86 "all american" yes it was built in america but it was the first American aircraft to take advantage of flight research data seized from the German aerodynamicists at the end of the war. The swept back wings you said was also "all ameircan", north american used the 262 wing profile and swept it back to 35 degrees. Now i'm not saying the germans designed the aircraft but to blindly say german designs had no influence is wrong.
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@paullubliner So what if sir frank whittle got some backing from an american? The british had the best jet engines of world war 2 and the germans had the better aerodynamics.
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@paullubliner In1939 Ludwig Bölkow and Dr. Albert Betz tested swept wing models for Messerschmitt in a wind tunnel.There was alot of research done right through the war, the allies didn't appreciate this untill after the war.
Why don't you check out the Me P.1101, and tell me why it looks very similar to both the F-86 and Mig-15.The germans did undeed invent swept back wings and you only have to see the designs on the drawing board at the end of the war to see this,have you bothered to look?
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@paullubliner It's pretty obvious now you refuse to give the germans any credit what so ever for anything, have you even bothered yet to look at the Me P.1101 and the many other designs around in 44-45 or is that just to unpatriotic even to think the germans had the wood on the allies in anything? If anything it is you who needs to get a life and maybe read some books from both sides of the fence. Oh the only person who is going to "blow you" is yourself
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Have you ever heard of the Me 262 ? - the V-1, the V-2 ? The nuclear development including the implosion device that the US confiscated from the German submarine U-234 which was transporting the A-bomb design and components of the bomb to Japan the Uranium and some parts were used in the Manhattan project to create A-bomb for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Drwilliamsm45 1 year ago
@paullubliner so exactly what engine was going to be used on this design in 1939?
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@paullubliner For starters just because i admire some german designs does NOT make me a nazi you friggen IDIOT!!! My country fought the nazis before you entered the war so don't insult me with that sort of bullshit. I love many aircraft designs from all countries just because i like some of the bad guys aircraft doesn't make me one of them, christ even the allied pilots admired the 190 and so on does that make them nazis?? Get over yourself
pramboy09 2 years ago
@paullubliner I never said that all german aircraft was superior to the allied aircraft. like it or not the 190 was the best fighter in the war from 1941-late 1942, the Mk V spitfire was not in the same league BUT... when the Mk IX spiftire and merlin engined mustang and later the Hawker Tempest came into service the ballance changed and all had advantages over the190.
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It was only better then the Spit at the Beginning, Spitfires did have upgrades done to the motors, and where faster then the FW190
Turnpike256 2 years ago
butcher birdy~!
buokopter 2 years ago
spitfire better
gw15100 2 years ago
Uhhh....no!!
ryanspeed 2 years ago
Is that an A-9/N? Or is it an original/restored aircraft?
493175001 2 years ago
It's one of the Flugwerk models.
FiveCentsPlease 2 years ago
wow, one of the last fw-190. Is not easy to find videos of that warbird.
squatch4ever 2 years ago
Looks fast just parked in there...
squadman33 2 years ago
they are fearsome creatures
pvtdangles 2 years ago 3
Why do you think they call them "wolves"?
CommanderLightning 2 years ago
the name focke wulf comes from when profesor hienrich FOCKE and georg WULF fromed the company back in 1923. not for wolfs. focke-wulf flugzeubau ag.
mac163 2 years ago
Remember it was actually nicknamed the Butcher Bird. :D
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paullubliner 2 years ago
Those were these days man!! Dogfights and real men in those machines!!
BigPimmel666 2 years ago 22
Yea not like today where a baby can push a button sending a air to air missile to down a 10 year experienced fighter pilot. Korea was the golden age of the dogfight
yakovlev3a 2 years ago 2
Fantastic to see this flying at Duxford Flying Legends. Please can somebody 'new build' a Mosquito now - it's been far too long since we saw one of those in the air
clunk99 2 years ago 7
It was actually the French example which flew at Legends, not this one whichafter being a Duxford for 2 years has still yet to fly - Getting Approval to fly seems to be easier in France that the UK!!
150flyer 2 years ago
Several new-build Mossies are under construction now.
FiveCentsPlease 2 years ago
That's good news, are any of them under construction in Britain? - I know the Canadians and Anzacs are keen on the marque. It would please me to have one of them finished in the markings of the aircraft Guy Gibson sadly lost his life in. Then let's have a new build Halifax too lol
clunk99 2 years ago
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There are at least three Mossies under rebuild to airworthy. Two are in Auckland, New Zealand and are essentially new-build. One of these will come to the US. Another Mosquito is under restoration in Canada.
FiveCentsPlease 1 year ago
dam those german engineers built some nice machinery, just think how europe would have progressed if they'd managed to hang in there.
PooPusher007 2 years ago
Do you think this FW 190 still has its original BMW motor, or was it replaced ?
mmmsikim 2 years ago
mmmsikim - This is not an original FW190. Its a new build machine constructed by Flug Werk in Germany, and it's powered by a Chinese copy of the Russian Shvetsov ASh- 82 engine.
I85PIES 2 years ago
Makes sense...there's still lots of Shvetsovs around right? AND for various metalurgical reasons the BMWs were not very reliable-they had a reputation for 'eating' their own piston rods.
nickmitsialis 2 years ago
And the german and russian engines were pretty similar since it was a joint development before the war. So I've been told by staff of Flugwerk.
Feuerschaf 2 years ago
Why all this rattling of sabres about the swastika on this aircraft?
It isn't on it! The swastika on all german aircraft of the second world war was on the tail plane assembly just above and to the left of the elevators looking at the airaft from this perspective.
If you are talking about the cross on the fuselage then that is very close to the bundeswehrs luftwaffe markings today. Just a point.
holtbp 2 years ago 3
they're one awesome machine!
Is this a flug werk model or a real one?
yak52aholic 2 years ago
sweet a RL 190...awesome, killer plane
CMDRFandragon 2 years ago
ohhh my...that's MUSIC for my ears :).
One of my lifelong desires is to get to see one of them airborne...
one can only hope :)
ramjb 2 years ago
PC,,, Wow a terrible throwback to the Clintons.Nothing more than the massive attempt at thought control.,,,All these planes come from a time when the world was in the throws of mind control,,, Why cant they be just enjoyed for what they are with the symbols that are connected to them,,By the way... isnt the swastika a nordic symbol for prosperity
joseywales711 2 years ago
Also, why not remove the Hinomaru symbol from the Japanese replica aircraft of the era? It IS PC madness. The st georges cross represented evil during the crusades should we wipe this from history as well? No of course not. It DOES ruin what is supposed to be a accurate replica aircraft. And whats more pathetic is they even remove Swastika transfers from German WW2 model aircraft. THAT is a joke!! He 111s, Me 109s, FW 190's all recreated with no Swastikas!!
admiraldma 2 years ago 2
You are rambling- that aircraft cannot display a swastica because in germany (where it is registered) it is illegal to do so - it might make you happy to know that French registered Flugwerke 190 F-AZZJ does bear a swastica. But all this is moot that aircraft is not accurate -it differs from the original in dozens of ways -you are obsessing about a minor detail.
Czechmate1967 2 years ago
You are right. If I remember correctly The Fighter Collection had to alter it's Indian Chief emblem which sported a swastica, to something more resembling a Maltese cross. It all amounts to a rather petty minded censorship of history, something for which I don't think there can ever be any justification.
I85PIES 2 years ago
Thank you. Plus I went to the Flying legends meet at Duxford a week ago (11th July) and the two FW 190 and one ME 109 all had swastikas on. How come it is ok for them to display it? Strange!!!
admiraldma 2 years ago
Thank you for your reply. I was at Legends too. One of the best I thought, despite the almost entire Fighter Collection not being able to come out and play. The FW190 was wonderful!
I85PIES 2 years ago
It was awesome wasn't it. We loved the Me 109 as well. I think the pilot put on a great display. The FW 190 even looks like a killer!!
admiraldma 2 years ago
Yes is was. Perhaps if we all write to The Fighter Collection nicely, they will book The Messerschmitt Foundation's Me262 next year.
I85PIES 2 years ago
Now that WOULD be something!
admiraldma 2 years ago
well - you weren't alive back in the days when the swastika was the emblem of mass murder, a war of domination, no quarter in battle, oppression and suppresion and SS torture - it's easy enough to forget the horror and admire the technology - I used to love the FW 190, and am still fascinated by them, but how many young men, off to save the world from fascism, were blown out of the sky by these aircraft? I think warbirds should be painted in civilian colors, so no offense to anyone -
SupernalOne 2 years ago
SupernalOne - You are right that war is a terrible thing, and the loss of life is tragic, but, I do think anyone offended by the sight of vintage aeroplanes displaying their old service colours and markings is seriously in need of getting a life.
I85PIES 2 years ago 5
yah, true enough - I would only really argue it if neo-nazis rallied around the display - and even then I'd have to rethink the freedom-of-expression connotations -
SupernalOne 2 years ago
Very nice FW 190, even better in alot of ways 'cause it's new. Hats off for building it. The 190 will always be my German favorite, although I have a soft spot for the 109 too. But the 190 was the better plane, no doubt. However.....It had viscious stall characteristics and I remember reading a quote from some American fighter pilot saying he had seen several FW 190's spin out due to tight turning but never a Me 109 out of control.
kolbpilot 2 years ago
Beautiful but deadly aircraft. FACT the FW 190 A-6/R6 holds the record for the most heavily armed single seater of the war. 4 30mm cannons in wing packs, 2 20mm cannon in wing roots and 2 7.9mm machine guns in decking!!
P.s. ignore the pathetic P.C. brigade and get some Swastika's on that birds fin!!!
admiraldma 2 years ago 3
It's not PC- it's German law and I think they have very good reasons to outlaw that symbol- it doesn't distract from the fantastic engineering achievment in recreating the Butcher Bird.
Czechmate1967 2 years ago
Sorry i disagree. People dont realise that the Swastika is NOT a creation of the Nazis!! I have visited several countries in europe and in Bulgaria for example there are lots of churches decorated with stone swastikas. These churches are 100s of years old proving that it is an ancient symbol. I am an aviation enthusiast and to me the crosses on the fuselage and wings are just as much a reminder of the regime as the Swastika. I think its pathetic!!
admiraldma 2 years ago 4
I'm fully aware that the symbol itself has a history prior to it's appropriation and use as the nazi logo both in europe and Asia...but so what?.this particular airframe is german owned and based, it cannot bear swasticas as the symbol as outlawed there, that is the business of the German people where for obvious reasons seeing it displayed, causes different feelings than if it were displayed in Britain or the US.
Czechmate1967 2 years ago
Das ist verboten?? well we will just have to design a new decal.
kriegmeister3000 2 years ago
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kriegmeister3000 2 years ago
luv th plane and luv duxford.
Alexw851 2 years ago
God Blees You ! What a joy !!
cougar33999 2 years ago
So I guess the swastika was removed from the tail for political correctness?
493175001 2 years ago 2
yes, you're right.
osesdavid 2 years ago
Reproduced in modern Germany where the swastika is an illegal symbol......
23vin850 2 years ago
SS3Heydrich As far as i know. I remember reading about these "New Build" FW190's in an avaition magazine. The only original source for these babies, was, the blueprints. They've done a good job of recreating this fine Wartime German fighter.
BuddyFantastic 2 years ago
Even though it's a reproduction, It's one of my many favourite German warplanes. Still looks as deadly as it must've done, way back then.
BuddyFantastic 3 years ago
is it totally reproduced?
SS3Heydrich 2 years ago
i was there!
karlberrisford 3 years ago
Hey mosprime!
No, none are currently flying today, but there is one located in Washington that COULD fly. It's ready to go, and they do turn the engine over every now and again... it used to belong to Cavanaugh Flight Museum... makes ya wonder what the new owners are gonna do with it.
DauntlessDriver546 3 years ago
no german bird of that time is flying anymore.
If You are satisfied with lookalikes we do have some converted HA1112 and a company in southwest Germany which rebuild a 1:1 copy of the FW190A and are now preparing a FW190D. If You are interested in the replica watch this
watch?v=VGSxosU9N5c
or search "Fw-190A-8/N Test Flight" here on Youtube
grazyarnie 3 years ago
1pLUs44 fw 190DORA had a Jumo liquid engine and had longer engine cowling also the rudder was difference
Xontrokounela2 3 years ago
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haw haw, lookie at that cute wittle plane =D
NotSoSilentWilliam 3 years ago
I wonder if any of the Longnose variants are still flying?
mosprime 3 years ago
THey've just finished a new build, but with a modified Allyson engine and mounts.
grauadler 3 years ago
That looked like a 190Dora, am I correct?
1pLUs44 3 years ago
Not a dora9 proberly an a series
tannoys2008 3 years ago
Yes, problably an A-6 or A-8 with an BMW801 engine of 2100hp.
belianpaladino 3 years ago
Flug Werk FW 190 A-8, I believe the engines are Asch 82's.
Hanglands 3 years ago
So this is technically speaking what an La-7 or La-5 would have sounded like (if they still existed)?
SmiertSpionem 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure there is an La-5/7 in the Alpine Fighter Collection, operates out of Wanaka Airfield, South Island, New Zealand. Saw it when I went down for Warbirds earlier this year...
Ferratnz 3 years ago
On their website it looked just like they only had 2 I-16s?
SmiertSpionem 3 years ago
yes we have, reproduction with allison engine
pramboy74 3 years ago
its the D9 that has the Allison engine, the A version of Flugwerk uses the russian engined that used to equip the La-5s
PedroLoyola 2 years ago
WHERE CAN I BUY ONE???!?!? I had no idea these things were being re-PRODUCED ...good lord - where do I get in line???
anonyms404 2 years ago
if that is a Flug Werk FW 190, then it is not an original Focke Wulf 190 ??? is it a reproduction?
RowinDrachenfaust 3 years ago
Correct, it is a reproduction.
Hanglands 3 years ago
Its engine is a chinese copy of russian copy of the original BMW engine :)
untamovaan 3 years ago
Um, no. but nice joke. Your sentence would be true though for Chinese BMW'ish looking motorcycles/sidecars. They are (are they still?) built on the machinery the Russians had removed from Germany in the late 40's. It would not only be a copy but a rightful ancestor.
As for the radials the Russian Ash-82 and the German 801 do not even share a common ancestry, although both being of American origin.
I worked for BMW Motorrad, which has its home in the old Bramo factory in Berlin Spandau.
derzieher 3 years ago
nope they wanted to put in a BMW Engine but it dindn't work out (too hot i think) so they had to use a Mercedes Benz Engine.
MuddynoderMuddeen 3 years ago
Benz engine in a Fw 190A?? its a joke?
Hettonia 3 years ago
Problably. The 190 A-0 to A-2 series used the BMW801 that heaten a lot. But the model B2 correct this problem. Equipping the A-4 to A-9 (A-8 and A-9 has mw50 capacity). The D-9 changed to a linear Jumo engine.
belianpaladino 3 years ago
192 X4 Serious used a bgi384 to supercharge its 3989cal.radiant liquid coolant.... STFU
hmsmatthew 3 years ago
Not in an A. But a Daimler-Benz DB 603 was put in a Fw 190C.
NKS969 3 years ago
thay put junkers in the d modle!, but the engine most frequently scene was ofcorse the bmw 14 cylinder radial engine, i think thay had some 1,700hp
angryace13 3 years ago
Sweet aircraft though. Incredable that there are some still flying and being cared for. I just hope they don't go the way of the Mosquito
NKS969 3 years ago 2
Its an optical illusion that the spinner runs faster than the prop. But the BMW powered FW`S had a transmission which powered a small fan or ventilator behind the prop to cool the engine.
Robston87 3 years ago
I just discovered something I do know about the FW-190's. Is it common in 190's including the Dora's inline, for the spinner to rotate independant of the props, if so do the 109G's as well? Or is this a function only for this replica?
Beautiful airplane, my Dad even admired them from the left seat of his B-17G, out of Great Ashfield and the 385th BG.... when he wasn't "shitting himself" ... lol.
GeddyBre 3 years ago
I think you are seeing a video optical illusion, the "wagon wheel effect", where the prop appears to rotate differently from the spinner.
FiveCentsPlease 3 years ago
Did not appear that the engine was revving enough to produce that effect 5Cents, but that is what I thought at first.
If it is the wagon-wheel effect then it fooled me pretty well.
Zinnington brings up a good point as well, would the fan be synched to the prop or the hub if they truly operate, or are capable of, independently.
GeddyBre 3 years ago
If I recall correctly, the cooling fan on the wartime BMW engine was geared a 3x propeller speed. For these Flugwerk replicas without a BMW, the fan is constant speed, rotating with the propeller and with ground-adjustable blade pitch for varying flying/weather/temperature conditions.
FiveCentsPlease 3 years ago
ahh I see.... the whole plane is a replica not just the power plant and such... I'm learning more and more... so there still are no wartime 190's in operating condition?
GeddyBre 3 years ago
Some of the Flugwerk examples will incorporate various original parts or even assume the identity (data plate) of an original if the owner choses. There are two originals under restoration to fly, one owned by Paul Allen of the Flying Heritage Collection (not much info on it since it's kept under wraps) and another in FL with the White 1 Foundation. Also, one Allison-engined D9 replica in FL (not flown yet) and an original D9 project in Belgium with many Flugwerk parts.
FiveCentsPlease 3 years ago
it is an optical illusion as the blades change direction at 18 sec when the pilot throttles back. Unless some bright spark has fitted a reverse gear! Lol.
paul6t4 3 years ago
Nope that's what they did. Ever notice the big fan used to cool the BMW engine?
zinnington 3 years ago
The engine is an ASh-82
ChristianBlumentopf 3 years ago
sounds just like my Parkzone FW-190.. lmao
Brock2020 3 years ago
Is this an authentic, restored, engine, or just a modern radial?
Plisken1986 3 years ago
I stared at it for the duration of the video and didn't twitch a bit.
Plisken1986 3 years ago
epileptic or photo-sensitive people can get seizures from almost everything - please stop psoting stupid sentences about seizures, if you don't know anything about it! thank you.
captainbutthead 4 years ago
I think i just got the seizures in my ass... is that even possible?
zeker111 3 years ago
It's a pity no operational 801's are available. The engine is a marvelous piece of machinery. In contrast to conventional piston engines it sported a mechanical automatic engine control unit. The pilot selected the desired power and the unit would adjust mixture, prop rpm and blower speed (by switching gears) according to barometric pressure. It also had a cooling fan installed between spinner and cowling which was geared to turn at slightly less than twice crank shaft rpm.
derzieher 4 years ago 2
An operational 801 is under restoration for the White 1 project. I don't know the date or time frame for when it will be test run--but I'm guessing it will be a while. It's under re-assembly, but a few parts were being made. Hopefully, a few other rare motors such as the Jumo series and BMWs will eventually be restored to ground running condition--at least.
FiveCentsPlease 4 years ago
I'm a little behind on these projects. Please, enlighten me, what is the "White 1" project?
wayfaerer320 4 years ago
Fw190 A-8 #931862 "White 1" under restoration by the White 1 Foundation in FL. They are also restoring Fw190 A-3 #0132219 to static for Norway. A second airworthy A-5 #0151227 is at or near completion for Paul Allen's Flying Heritage Collection, but info on it is scarce at this time.
FiveCentsPlease 4 years ago
is that an real1 or an replice?
srry just wondering:)
kobak5 4 years ago
As mentioned before this is a new build machine from Flug Werk
150flyer 4 years ago
If You think the Frauenkirche in Dresden is original than this bird is original too...but they both are just a shadow of the past....there is no Dresden anymore and no FW 190....its the price of war and the cruelty of the regime....I agree we need to destroy NAZI thinking....but the technology build during that time has nothing to do with that insane ideology...its a great masterpiece...but its origin is destroyed just like Dresdens truth...to be one of the most beautiful cities in Europe
grazyarnie 4 years ago 2
god that engine sounds like its going to give any second.
warbound2 4 years ago
thats because the audio quality of this clip is not exactly good.
comradeboris 4 years ago
Did this FW-190 fly at Duxford? Just wondering because I have seen no videos other than the test flights of this flying.
wayfaerer320 4 years ago
At this event it just did an Engine run and the taxi-ed off the flight prior to the airshow. It has not flown in the UK yet, although I believe it is hoped that the paperwork etc will be in place for it to fly in 2008 - CAA permitting! - but don't hold your breath....
150flyer 4 years ago
i wwas there on Sat, didnt see it fly, did it fly Sunday??
Eliotthecool 4 years ago
What the big hold up?
bilbommer 3 years ago
robinoi,what planet do you come from?
GustavG10 4 years ago
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modern jets have spirals on the engines because the makers are all nazi sympathizers. boeing, airbus, all run by people who wish their planes were being used to advance the Third Reich's frontiers, instead of simply ferrying chavs round Europe for £10 a flight.
It's true.
robinoi 4 years ago