Hydrogen Tap (FOCUS-HONDA ) 374

[myztic123]

now show the working system with data about any possible milage increase pls.

i haven't seen any videos about that on whole youtube, only these strange "tests" or how to put such a system in a car.

[johnaarons]

I suggest that you have not...

I had my last system up there running... including the millage ... go to my site.. click on YouTube and you will see the videos listed last video first.. look for the Honda..

John AArons

[myztic123]

okay thanks

[saturnx311]

Good work John! I am responding to jeffincq, he wants to use a lot of cells to keep the water cool, but why not circulate the water through a passive radiator? You could keep a constant optimum temp this way.

Just thinking....thanks!

[johnaarons]

I do believe it will work... we will see..

John AArons

[highspeedlink]

You Rock John

[csjavik]

Cartech1974 wrote "Running nitrous freezes the gas, creating large explosions, creating immense power" <--- false, nitrous is not used in engines to freeze gas. When nitrous oxide is released into 1 atmosphere of pressure, it immediately turns to cool oxygen. That is where the power comes from whne usins NOS. Regarding intakes. Almost every vehicle comes factory with a (cold air intake) if you remove it, you'll see where the filter box has a port going through the inner fender to cool air.

[asphix1976]

To cartech1974,babyella07 you are both right warmer air will help the MPG and cold air will make alot of HP but this is not a race I have a coworker's wife that drives the same car just white as John does same motor and trans I live in NC he lives in VA So the weather will be about the same.I will run the car on dyno this week and try it every which way I can so I can have hard data I have rewatched the vid and will copy the temp mod as he has done so it will be as close as posable to the same.

[asphix1976]

The whole point was this its all about the MPG not HP as I said the "short ram intakes end about where the water tank is" not the cold air intakes. His car is a OBD2 car he has already got his intake temp senser relocated so the ECM dosent see any difference between now or before he cut the tube short. If anything by removing the intake silencer and shorting the hose he has helped. The small amount of heat added will only help his MPG and he will lose what 2-4hp on top end.

[moreoverunity]

I would go with reinforced tubing as small as possible, Im going with 1/4" ID PVC reinforced as you have partially on your hookups above.. I wouldnt trust that clear tubing as far as I could throw it, since it will weaken with heat, and over time expand and cause leaks around the fittings as well.

[ExtremeHydrogenLabs]

the cooler the intake air = denser charge thus better combustion  mike

[cartech1974]

The comments on the cooler intake is correct. Why do you think they make cold air intakes? This adds for more horsepower and makes the engine more efficient. I've built alot of "hot rods" and the cooler that air is coming in helps in more power and i've gotten alot better fuel economy with more power, if a person doesn't gouge on the throttle all the time. Same theories on intercoolers and nitrous oxide. Running nitrous freezes the gas, creating large explosions, creating immense power

[johnaarons]

((((Hi John ! I'm using the same type hose that you've connected to the air in-take. Do you think that hose will stay up to heat generated in engine compartment ?))))

This comment was deleted my mistake

I am now testing the tube for that reason

John AArons

[snoglobe68]

I beg to differ with asphix1976. A cooler intake air is more dense, therefore, contains more oxygen per unit of volume which is necessary for a more complete combustion. This is a fact. Underhood temps can reach up to 200F which will limit efficiency. You must get as cold a charge as possible John, this I would strongly advise as it will have an effect on MPG which is precisely what you are trying to achieve.

[babyella07]

A warm air intake will give you more MPG, fact. This comes at a cost of course, due to the lack of oxygen entering the engine, top power will be reduced, light to mid-range power will remain near enough untouched. Besides, the extra oxygen being produced alongside the hydrogen will help a little. In essence, a warm air intake will help in the cumbustion process as the fuel is vapourized much better due to the raised intake temperatures.

[amborski07]

I can almost see the end. Thanks John.

[marsipial]

John,

I add my cudos to all the others. Keep up the great work experimenting and documenting. I hope to add a few units to some of my gas burners soon. Take Care.

Alan aka Marsipial

[baw1baw]

294 videos in a year...John your a legend!

Thanks for taking us along on your journey and keeping such a faithful record of it. My worktable is a jungle of assembled/ disassembled/ partially completed concepts. I so happy to be able to watch someone who is mastering methodology at work. It's a source of constant inspitation to me (and quite a few other folks I suspect).

Onya!

George

[johnaarons]

At first I thought you were describing my lab... I hope in the end we (all of us) get this job done..

John AArons

[asphix1976]

I am a ASE Master of 14 years I sent you an email about the cold air intakes sold for your Honda. About the hot air hurting your MPG I dont think so heres why. Because alot of the short ram intakes end about where the water tank is just in front of the Focus cell on vid 174 you moved the air senser so shortening that intake tube will do nothing as far as the ECM is concerned and unless you do alot of city stop and go the under side of the hood gets plenty of fresh air. Thanks for your hard work.

[johnaarons]

I have (after your email) been watching the temp gage... I thank you for your interest...

John AArons

[snoglobe68]

I beg to differ. A cooler intake air is more dense, therefore, contains more oxygen per unit of volume which is necessary for a more complete combustion. This is a fact. Underhood temps can reach up to 200F which will limit efficiency.

[snoglobe68]

It's not about fooling the PCM it's about giving the engine what it needs to be efficient mechanically. Don't ever forget the BASICS of the internal combustion engine!!!