Why is a never ending chain logically impossible? This assumption that there is a beginning and an end has to be justified if it is to be a logical argument.
Scientists hypothesize that the big bang was the the beginning of what we describe as the universe. It would be unscientific to suggest that there was nothing before that because you would then be making an untestable hypothesis which is, by definition, unscientific.
Read the god delusion for an introduction to logic and science.
@Escotch82 Science is a tool, not a religion, as many people take it these days. It's one of many tools we use to find answers. Like any tool, it doesn't work for everything. Why have you paired science and logic as if they are the same? They are two different things entirely. The big bang is the beginning of the physical universe and the laws of physics, so you're right, we cant rely on them to figure out what was before, but logic, however, may reach beyond the universe. :-)
Oh and why is a never ending chain impossible? Specifically talking about an infinite regress, if we're saying that everything is a result of the thing before it, but the chain goes back into infinity, then the chain could never have begun in the first place, so such a chain could not possibly exist. Therefore, if there is a chain, it must have a beginning.
You don't really understand what evidence is do you. You're using a pretty easily refuted. In fact your argument is so good that it refutes itself, ie. who created god?
When scientists talk about the beginning of the universe, they are talking about the beginning of what WE define as the universe. They have no way of knowing what was before then and it would be unscientific to comment that there was nothing before then.
I personally believe it was the speghetti monster that created god.
@Escotch82 Man the shayateen don't quit lol. Come on, who created God? Are we still with this? Nothing created God. He wasn't created. It's like you're looking at uneaten bowl of cereal and asking, "Who ate my cereal?!" Obviously no one can answer because your cereal was not eaten. All that can be said is that no one at your cereal.
You're right. It would be unscientific, because it's beyond science, but not necessarily beyond understanding, or beyond logic. Not everything is science.
young man, with "Lan Nasmat" on your shirt, you're cosmological argument (first cause) leaves open the question, "who created Allah?". Your answer, which I read below, does not suffice my curiosity.
Just so you know, I was born muslim, but have found it, the Quran, and Hadiths, to be far from any definition of perfection, to be too judgmental of non-muslims and eventually I gravitated towards atheism. The fact that I should be put to death for leaving Islam helped also. Islam is only a culture.
@leptismagna10 Actually it doesn't at all. Allah wasn't created, so there's no need to ask that. I'm sorry of that does not suffice your curiosity.
We're all born Muslim. Denying the truth of the Qur'an won't make it any less true. Islam is a way of life, and as Allah tells us to say in the Qur'an, to you your way of life and to me my way of life.
Thanks i'm quite familiar with surat al kafiroon. We're all born Muslim...even Australian aboriginals who have never heard a word in Arabic? Its nice, even beautiful to think that we're all born with Allah in our hearts and minds, but this is delusion and just leads to Muslim supremacy.
While its obvious you love your religion, which is wonderful, just remember that someone like you and someone like me will never see the same picture when we look at Islam and its teachings.
You don't know for a fact that Allah wasn't created. You can only believe so. I've been told many a time when I was little that the shaytan is playing my mind when I asked such 'nonsense'. I find that there is a need to ask such a question. For many people it doesn't matter and its enough to know that Allah is eternal. But some people just cannot stop there. The fact that I should to go to juhannam for asking that is proof (to me at least) that there is something to hide.
@leptismagna10 Not being created is part of the definition of God. You claim to not believe in God at all, so I don't see why it bothers you. That question in particular is attributed to shaytan, since this was a statement of the Prophet (saws), not because there is something to hide, but because shaytan tricks you and leads you to a false conclusion. That's his goal. He plays with your thought process.
Allah is the Creator, not the creation. That's what makes Him Allah.
@Nvoron23 "God" is just a word we use to describe the Creator. That would be like asking, "How do you know that your mother and Marie are the same person?" Allah is just the Arabic word for it. That's why I mentioned it in the video. That choice stirred up some controversy.
You're using physical laws of this universe (cause and effect) to describe what happened before this universe (and its laws) existed. See the problem?
How would you possibly know the physical laws (if any) outside the universe?
@idiomasaur It's not about what must be. It's about what is. Why contemplate hypotheticals when you can deal with reality? God exists. We have responsibilities. What are we going to do about it?
Sorry if this is a repeated question, but what or who created God? Like you said in your video, nothing can create itself from itself. So could you give me a definite answer as to what or who created God? It's not like he could have been floating around and create something out of nothing.
@TheBassManJeff It's ok. Since you asked so nicely, I'd be happy to answer it again :-)
God didn't create Himself. He was never created to begin with. He just always existed. Even though I kept it under 4 minutes, I still think I overcomplicated the explanation. It's such a simple concept. The quote in the beginning says it all. Does that answer your question? If there's anything else, just ask, and I'll do my best to answer if I can, insha'Allah.
Well I watched the video in it's entirety, started commenting but read through your description afterwards and see that you like to censor your videos. I'm sure the question you keep getting is "who created the creator?" which you cannot answer. This reasoning is far from an answer and proves nothing. Have fun deleting this as well. Hilbert's Hotel proves nothing.
@forcedidentity99 If that's what you got from reading the description, then you have very poor reading comprehension skills. This is the only video for which I screen the comments. I had to because it was getting spammed.
I do keep getting that question lol, but I have no problem answering it. Nothing created the Creator. He is the Creator, not the Creation. He doesn't need a creator. See, that was really easy. Please be nicer next time.
The "what is the very first cause" demonstration was already put forth by Aristotle about 400 BC, except that his answer was that it was an eternal fire of creation.
But, basically, your demonstration is the reasoning supporting monotheism. BUT it does not necessarily back Islam. Btw ramadân kareem!
Well, my goal was basically to just set up the basic foundation of monotheism, but really when you look at it, it does prove the Islamic concept of God, at least by process of elimination. For example, the One God can't be Zeus or Thor or the FSM, because they just don't fit the description of an Eternal Creator separate and distinct from the creation. If you analyze it, the One God of Abraham (as) is the only conception of God that fits.
@dawahaddict There's also another interesting demonstration in favour of G-d's uniqueness that is btw detailed in Tabari's tafsir, that was itself borrowed from the early Christian exegesis (and perhaps from the Hebraic Midrash itself). He uses proof by contradiction to prove that association (shirk in Arabic) is impossible. If there were 2 G-ds, then their willings and forces would cancel out, and the "dominant beings" would no longer be almighty. Therefore there must be one only G-d.
@Spritz86 Wow you know your stuff lol. I'll have to check that out. You know, so much of this is just common sense, that you have to be crazy not to believe in Allah. That's why I stopped focusing on videos like this, and focused more on the religion.
By the way, are you Muslim? If you're not, why aren't you? :-)
@dawahaddict : Thank you so much for posting this. I was raised a Christian and still consider myself to be Christian simply because I believe in Christ's existence and teachings. But I worship and know that only one God exists and there is no "but" following my statement. lol & yes everything that exists was made/caused by something preexisting.
@libdiva08 You're very welcome. Actually I consider myself a Muslim because I believe in the teachings of Christ (as)! You are 100% right in saying that God is absolutely one, and you don't have to be Christian to believe in God alone and follow the teachings of Jesus (as). In fact, being Christian could actually make it hard for you to do that, since Christianity teaches that God is One BUT three parts. Jesus (as) taught that God is One, no buts. Actually, Jesus (as) is considered a Muslim!
That's all very well, but you began the video saying that you had evidence of gods existence.
All you've done is conclude, that space and time got started by something that wasn't like anything that we experience within space/time. And then you decide to call that thing God, specifically Allah, the deity depicted by your particular favourite brand of religion.
I can see that you sincerely believe this. But, where is your actual evidence for it?
@6Untitled9 Thanks for your question. This video was intended to be just a start of a proof for God and for Islam specifically. I had intended to follow it up with further videos building upon what was established in this video. However, I never got around to it lol. Insha'Allah, I'd really like to do sort of a remake of this video, because it was my first real video and could have been better, and because I feel that I wasted time with well known arguments when the opening quote was sufficient.
first things first you provided no evidence. Second you say since that we don't know the cause of the universe it there for has to be the Abrahamic god? its just likly that it was caused by Xenu or the flying spaghetti monster.
@shadoeboi212 Common question, partly my fault. This was intended to be a part one in a series that would further develop the proof, but I never got around to it. Insha'Allah at some point I'd like to Reboot the series. However, even just this video proves that Xenu or FSM could not be God, just based on the qualities of these two characters. FSM is made of Spaghetti lol, and therefor, however delicious, he cannot be the Eternal Creator. And Xenu, it's he an alien warlord? They just don't fit.
I'm sure its been said a million times already but I'll say it again:
How can you object to a "logically impossible never ending chain" of causes and yet be quite happy with the equally logically impossible notion of 'outside space' and 'before time'
@Hufflewaffle Beyond space and time? Transcending space and time? Something like that maybe. It's not illogical, just impossible to fully wrap your head around. We only understand reality within the construct of space and time, so we cant imagine what beyond that would be, yet there is really no logical contradiction there. Maybe it's just a deficiency of language, not having words to express these concepts.
No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him” Jesus is above all ,"Jesus who comes from above is above all" In these closing days there are many rivals to Jesus, even in the realm of teaching, but "He that is from heaven is above all". "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things to be in his hand" Jesus said All things that the Father has are mine. Jesus is the true God and eternal life"
@austriaheute If you can't say "God is One" without adding "but" right after, then you do not truly accept that God is One, and you have gone off into what is called "shirk." If you don't know what shirk is, do a YouTube search for it.
Examples:
God is One but He has three persons
God is One but He has many manifestations and avatars
God is One but we can call on saints to intercede for us
Hey all we don't have to do better or try harder for God to accept us. Our works will never repay God for the sins we have committed. That was done through the sacrifice of The Son of God, Jesus Christ. All we have to do is trust in Him.
You are right that based on our works alone we can never equal what Allah has given us. That is why the mercy of Allah is so incredible, praise belongs to Allah alone!
To be forgiven of sins, all we have to do is simply ask Allah sincerely for forgiveness, and out of His mercy He grants it. That's it! Now doesn't that make a lot more sense than Jesus (as) having to get murdered so that we go sin-free? That sounds pretty backwards to me.
@ekajeht Thank you very much for the comment. I honestly suggest that YOU trace the beginnings of Islam. Also, trace the beginnings of the Bible and of the Qur'an. You will see very quickly that Qur'an did not copy the Bible. While we know that the Bible was written by men, it does contain a great deal of truth, fragments of the message of God. The Qur'an, on the other hand, is 100% the word of God. So the similarities you see are due to both having the same source, God, or in Arabic, Allah.
@ekajeht Lol I'm the Muslim. Alhamdulillah I have been permitted by Allah to have knowledge of His religion. If you researched Islam, and the conclusion you came to was the the Qur'an borrows from the Bible, then you did a very poor job researching. Wither work harder, or find much better sources insha'Allah. You will find that the Qur'an is the literal word of Allah, and that the proof is there for you to see as long as you make the effort to understand it. May Allah guide you to Islam :-)
@Aladoniss Thank you for the question. I get this same question all the time, or questions very similar to it, and I have to keep explaining it lol. Go check 0:53 and 3:03, and then tell me if that clears it up insha'Allah.
Dude .. Mashallah this logic is awesome. Mashallah I love u in Allah man. Please keep doing this. Never give up ur addiction. Am a subscriber for sure
This is not evidence. You have stated that the universe was created by an outside force.. You "have faith" that it was your God. As a seeker, lets say my god is superman.. Did superman do this? Can't prove it, nor can we prove that any god did this. I understand, logically, where this is intended.
I have read, again as a seeker, that the Bible has an overwhelming
@unitedcardioRNP Well, it's not that I just have faith. I think the word faith has been horribly misused by theists and non-theists. There is a difference between blind faith, believing in something without any evidence (or even contradictory evidence), and informed faith you might call it, believing in something that is supported by evidence, believing for good reason. Rational faith. I consider my faith the latter.
Looks like your comment got cut off. I'd love to hear the rest of it :-)
As a medical student, and seeker, and past poster (yaah) I have a question.
The evidence you produce is both used by many religions to justify "God".
If we really go deep on this, you only proved that the universe was started by an outside force. REALLY, by using this, anyone's god could have done this. Superman, who is my god, did it!
The Bible vs. Islam.. The Bible has an overwhelming plethora of scrips, old scrolls, and documents. Why is this not true with the Quran?
@unitedcardioRNP Yes, this same evidence is used by many religions. The thing is, it doesn't necessarily match with their claims about God. For example, this correct understanding of God would conflict with Christian and Hindu understandings of God. Muslims, and for the most part Jews, have this correct understanding of God, which actually matches with what is discussed in this video.
Your god, Superman, fails similarly. He is part of the creation. He was born, he has weaknesses, etc. No go.
@unitedcardioRNP "The Bible vs. Islam.. The Bible has an overwhelming plethora of scrips, old scrolls, and documents. Why is this not true with the Quran?"
Not sure exactly what your asking. Could you clarify please? This sounds like a good question lol.
yeah definitely, so who created god? another god? for everything that begins to exist, there is something that causes it to exist, I make sense too, right
@brianluk2006 Excellent question. Just take a second look at what you said. Everything that begins to exist needs a cause. God is the only thing that doesn't begin to exist, and therefore the only thing that doesn't need a cause. Does that help?
Awful reasoning. Why should there be a first domino?, It didnt cause itself?...it was caused by what it was previously, whatever that was. If everything has a cuase who caused the creator. and If it was a creater, what proof is there that it was allah, or not thor or zeus, you assume to much. maybe the real god doesnt want to give us a sign with aholy book, maybe he has other plans, not to save us?.. your using leaps of faith. Scientists have also been able to create basic life from non life.
@lynus111 Thanks for the question. It looks like you missed part of the argument. I didn't say everything has a cause. I said everything that begins to exist has a cause. God didn't begin to exist, so He doesn't need a cause.
And as I've told countless commenters, I never intended this video as a proof of Islam. This is simply to show the existence of God and that it is in line perfectly with the Islamic understanding of God. Zeus and other made up gods don't fit the description. Not even close
So basically you're just stating that the big bang happened, the "first un-caused cause" and you are calling it Allah. That's no proof man. You're just telling us what we already know. The Big Bang (or "God" if you really want to call it that) does exist. But I don't think it has a personality or judges people, or anything of that sort. Give me proof of That and then I'll believe in this Islamic God.
@YetAnthony Hi Anthony, thank you for asking me about my religion. I did not say that the Big Bang is Allah. Like you said, that wouldn't make sense. I am taking what you already know, that the Universe began with the Big Bang, which was an event, and saying that Allah was the cause of that event. Now, in this video, I am not discussing Islam, the Qur'an, or Muhammad (saws). I am only establishing that existence had a necessarily eternal cause, which is consistent with our understanding of Allah
@dawahaddict I see now. Ok maybe there was an eternal cause for the Big Bang but there is also the possibility that The Big Bang had no cause and just occurred spontaneously like some sort of anarchy or Chaos. On the scale of atoms and molecules, the usual rules of Cause and Effect don't apply. It's been scientifically demonstrated that particles can pop into existence or pop out for no particular reason (cause)... but this is in the field of Quantum Physics which I don't know much about.
@YetAnthony Well if you look at what this argument is saying, it's not that there could be a cause for the Big Bang, but that there logically must be a cause. I made this video overly simple so that everyone could get the basic idea, but if you want to get a deeper explanation, check out the link in the description by Craig. I'd love to hear your thoughts. You seem like a very honest guy. :-)
sorry but it doesnt sound like you paid attention in your logic class if you took it. this video is a Fallacy of Weak Induction, to be more direct it was an Appeal to Unqualified Authority and Appeal to Ignorance. the fact that we cant prove or disprove someting doesnt make your premises valid or sound. i am not an atheist or a satanist, i just hate when people try to prove that god is real with this argument. ive heard it many times, it is invalid and unsound.
@yaaybob1 Hey yaaybob. I'm open to hearing what you have to say, but please go on. What is your problem with the argument? "the fact that we cant prove or disprove someting doesnt make your premises valid or sound." When did I bring up anything like that?
@dawahaddict that was what i said not you. your point is that you have proof of god right? you said in your video that Logic proves your argument. at about 3:20 you say this. Your argument in not proved by logic. your argument is actualy valid(my bad) but its conclusion is not properly supported by its premises so it is unsound(false). "Logic" prove this.
@topbluffa1 That is not an example of creation, but rather change of state, going from being energy to matter. What we're talking about is something being created, meaning it had not already existed, in any form, and then came into being.
I believe in God I also believe Jesus is his son, and that he died on the cross and rose three days later. God reveals himself in his wonders, he is visible to me because I feel the presence of the holy spirit. It isnt blind faith because his power is real!
@QUEENBEACHA God's power is real, but that doesn't mean you are not believing in it blindly. Just because your belief is correct does not mean you have evidence for it. You could guess and be right, but it's not wise to base your way of life on a guess. That would be blind faith. In Islam, we have evidence. The followers of Jesus (as) had evidence that he was a prophet (not son of God btw) when he performed miracles. Of course, those miracles were then and we can't go back to see them.
What caused God? If God is able to be uncaused, then what's to say that some uncaused process beyond our understanding caused this universe (and others) to exist? Your argument doesn't necessarily support the existence of a deity, much less that such a deity would even have a vested interest in humanity. It's ok to admit that we don't have all the answers.
It's sad to know there are people out there who think this whole universe is just some sort of accident and don't believe in a Creator. Jazakum Allahu khairan for your efforts.
Jesus was real but his religion was hijacked and was made to really just be the religion the Romans wanted people to follow Muslims know the dates in the bible for Jesus death birth etc are wrong and the reason they are wrong is because they was changed to fit the old pagan dates.
when i said Aum Created the Universe I meant Aum was the process.
Einstein himself says E=mc2 which means ENERGY = MASS squared by the speed of Light, and Energy and Mass are the same thing.
I think Islam believes that God is Physical where as Hindus believe he is not but he created Physical forms to mingle with us etc.
Science also proves there is probably many realms/reality whatever you want to call them Even existing in the same space as us just vibrating on a different frequency.
Actually, Islam teaches that God is in no way physical, because that would make Him like the creation, and He is separate from creation as I stated previously.
What you said about Hinduism is very interesting, and I want to dig deeper here. You mentioned that Hindus believe that God is non-physical, and on that point you are absolutely correct. However, people also believe that God manifests physically in lower forms to communicate with humanity. I will tell you that there is a hidden truth...
...in that. First, let me tell you a little bit about Islam. Islam means submission to God's will on His terms. This is the same basic message that God has always communicated to humanity. So, how does God communicate with us? Does He manifest physically? No. So then, how? Throughout history, God chose from each society a person, a normal human being like us, to be a Prophet or Messenger. God reveals to that Prophet the message of Islam, and he teaches it to his people. So, in India, there...
...were many prophets sent. However, over time, people either forgot their names, and they were only remembered as anonymous sages whose teachings may have contributed to the writings of certain Hindu holy books and philosophical texts, or, people after generations, started to think of them as more than just people, but as manifestations of gods, or as gods themselves! Some of the devas and avtars may have originated as Prophets of Islam! f you look hard, you can find the traces of monotheism.
Brother, just saying it does not make it true. That's what we're talking about. Blind faith verses evidence. I don't know of any evidence for a particular sound of creation.
God is not everything, and we have clearly demonstrated that in this video. That is the number one error of mainstream hindu theology. By definition, the Creator is separate from creation.
Shiva? Why not Vishnu? See, this is where it gets into just made up names of gods. I don't mean to be insulting brother, but I know...
...the origins of these so called gods. They come from the fusion of Aryan culture with the cultures of non-Aryan peoples in India over the last few thousand years. What is today called Hinduism is a very recent religion, that was only fully formed in the last few hundred years..
Ganesh, for example, was most likely a pre-Aryan local elephant-headed god. When the Aryans came, their gods became superior, so Ganesh was associated with Shiva, and called his son.
Being CLOSE to science is not the marker of the true religion. Sure, the religion should not be incompatible with science, but compatibility is not a proof. For example, I could make up my own religion now and add in all of the scientific facts I want. Would that make it the truth? Of course not.
I know a pretty good amount about Hinduism, and there are surprisingly many similarities with Islam when you dig down to its core. Most Hindus believe that there is a single all powerful Creator. It seems like you are one such Hindu. Am I right?
You use the word Aum, which I haven't heard used in this way before. Others use Brahman or Bhagwan. As long as the definition is sound, then I have no problem with the name, and we are talking about the same thing. If what you call Aum means the Eternal Creator Who is separate and distinct from His creation and is absolutely One with no partners or manifestations, then this is the same as Allah.
About the first day (Big Bang), Allah says: [Quran 21.30] Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?
About the expanding universe, Moslems say that Allah told them about this expansion 1400 years before it was discovered: [Quran 51.47] And the heaven, We built it with craftsmanship and We are still expanding.
To add: Ask yourself the question why we need to believe in Allah? For this I don't want you to quote the Koran or any other gospel but tell me from the heart why you believe. I don't believe myself but that should not mean that I do not respect you as a human being. I think the only reason why people would believe in such a God, is that they will die one day and they hate the idea of being alone. Lets think about that for a sec. What does it mean to be alone?
I think you are asking the wrong question. We need to believe in Allah, as far as His existence, because He exists. That's like asking why we need to believe in refrigerators. A better question about refrigerators might be, "Why do we need to have a refrigerator?" The answer would be that it keeps food from spoiling, right?
So, the correct question we should be asking is, "Why do we need to worship Allah?" The answer to that could go on for days, but to put it simply, we owe Allah everything...
...and Allah owes us nothing, yet He gives us everything. On top of that, He has commanded us to worship Him, though I am aware that you do not yet believe that. Maybe you will after you study Qur'an.
He has not commanded us anything. Just because one person claims God has spoken to him does not make it so for the rest of the world. If there were really a Allah don't you think it would talk to us all so that everyone would believe?
This is the problem with all 3 Abrahamic religions. You don't have claim that yours is right over the other 2, because the other two would argue the same point. Please read the old and the new testament. I argue the fact that religion is a matter of birth.
I don't think religion is a matter of birth, since my parents are Jewish and Christian lol.
Remember this life is a test. Would it make sense, if you were given a test in school, if the teacher came next to you and told you all the answers to the questions? Of course not. Then the test would be pointless. Instead, you are given the information to study, and those who put in the effort to seek out the knowledge will do well on the test, and those who make no effort will do poorly.
If Allah wanted everyone to believe, He would have made everyone believe. He could have also forced us to submit to His will. Instead, He has made the truth accessible to those who put in a sincere effort to find it, and has left it up to us to choose whether or not to willingly submit.
I love the way you separate Islam from blind faith. lol That's exactly what it is. Your going to tell me that an illiterate man had Allah speak to him in a cave where no one else could see or listen? Just so you know I find all religion ridiculous. Its like Santa Clause I grew up and realized that its just a child story. I hope the world can do the same for religion one day :-)
Lol hi tekkamanraven. Yes I believe that Allah spoke to Muhammad (saws) who was illiterate. I understand that you do not believe this. Since you don't, I would ask you to, on your own, read the translation of the Qur'an, and then consider if that illiterate Arab merchant could have written it, or for that matter, if any human being could have written it. I am confident that, if you study the Qur'an sincerely, not just looking to "disprove" it, you will conclude that it must be God's words. Try!
If you don't believe Allah is God, it might be because you misunderstand the meaning of Allah. Allah is just the Arabic word for God. Arab Jews, Christians, and Muslims all use this word.
The true name of God is YHWH, or Yahweh, whose Son, Jesus Christ, is the incarnation of His Father. You can not be in fellowship with your Father in heaven except through His Son, who is your LORD and Savior. (p.s. good logic on the cosmology, it really is quite simple once you learn this, and you explained it well.)
There are many names for God in different languages. YHWH is one of the Hebrew words for God. It's meaning is the same or very close to Al Hayy ul Qayyum in Arabic, which means "The Ever-Living, The Self-Existing." Allah is the Arabic word for YHWH, and it shares its root with the Hebrew words El and Elohim, and the Aramaic word Alaha, all meaning God.
Islam rejects the Chistian concept that Jesus (as) is God or son of God. We say what Jesus (as) said, that he is God's servant and prophet.
All the evidence you present has to be objective or it does not count. Mystical interpretations mean it is only a guide, not the actual word of Allah, and then all gods are on the same level, as Allah.If you can prove every word is literal with objective evidence, I will become a Muslim, but Zeus will most likely strike me with thunderbolts before that happens. If not then de-convert, and become a deist.,and fight against Islam to end the bronze age religions.
The Qur'an is ,most assuredly, the literal word of God. I can present you with all the evidence you need. If you like we can go into a deeper discussion through messages. I'd recommend you watch a speech my Nouman Ali Khan called "Divine Speech Prologue." You can search for it on YouTube or look for it in my playlists insha'Allah (God willing).
Prove Islam, before you move on to God. All religions so far have not been proven as absolute truth, so yeah, there is no point to argue for God, if the God you present is not even possible,and all the mythological gods are just as true. You have to use your holy book literal, and you can not say a verse is "metaphorical," because Allah inspired the damn book supposedly. (Continued)
You have it backwards. I made this video in order to FIRST prove God BEFORE proving Islam specifically. Once you understand that God exists, even in a Deistic way, it is easier to understand Islam. As you can see, there is only one "God" and all other so-called "gods" are just made up.
guys ohh you make me sick! dawahaddict let us show of the beathiful Islam, and your comments is a bit hard, i mean if you don't want hear about it then don't watch it! because your comments make me sick -.-
The Qur'an is not the only revelation that God has ever sent. The Bible contains the traces of a few different revealed books, and the Hindu scriptures may as well.
There are a number of ways to prove the Qur'an. To start, I would recommend searching YT for "Divine Speech Prologue" and watching both parts.
Well if God is perfect, then why does he have to send many books? Why not have one book?
Also, why does God, this alleged man who created AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE, only choose to speak to illiterate peasants in bronze-age Arabia or through scripture? Why doesn't he talk to us right now in front of us? jeez.. you'd think a man like him, who gives SO MUCH EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION, yet he can't prove his own existence (or at least has a hard time)?
"Well if God is perfect, then why does he have to send many books? Why not have one book?"
Great question. Thank you for asking it :-)
While there have been many revelations, they have always contained the same basic message of Islam. In general, these books were left in the hands of the people to preserve, and thus served not only as a guidance for the people, which was the main function, but also as a trial for them. It was their responsibility to protect the message from corruption. This...
...arrangement worked because if the message was distorted over time, which eventually it was, another prophet would come to correct and update the previous revelation. However, the Qur'an is different because it was the final revelation, and Muhammad (saws) the final prophet. In this situation, there would not be another prophet that would come to correct the people if the Qur'an was corrupted, and so in this instance God said that He Himself would see to its preservation. As we can easily...
...observe today, the Qur'an has not changed in any way at all since it was revealed to Muhammad (saws) 1400 years ago, and God has kept the Qur'an preserved. Today there are over 9.3 million Muslims in the world who have the entire Qur'an memorized by heart in Arabic, and most are not Arabic speakers.
Life is a test. God has made His existence and the authenticity and validity of the Qur'an clear to those who seek out knowledge and put in the work to find the truth. You have to study hard. :-)
I see God when I look everywhere. It really depends on how you look around. Look at material. Atoms made of protons and nettrons which do not conscience. They come together and make elements. They came together and make amino acids, come together make proteins, come together make tissues, come together make organs, come together make you. Now you have consience and make you are living, but made of the non-living. What made you living? I see God EVERYWHERE.
How do you know the Quran is the infallible word of a mythical-god? How do you know the mythical-god Allah is this god? Saying that the Quran is evidence that proves the Quran is oxymoronic. Claiming as truth Allah is the one and only god because it says so in the Quran is oxymoronic. The only evidence that shows that faith is true is in the belief that it is, because my friend told me so.
It is safe to question beliefs and abandon beliefs! Beliefs are not evidence; they are beliefs!
Christians are known for claiming that the Bible is the word of God because the Bible says so. Total circular reasoning. Muslims say that the Qur'an is the word of God because through analyzing the Qur'an, its content, its style, its preservation, etc, it can be determined that it can not be the work of anyone other than God.
I agree that many Christians do make the same claim to fame about the Bible that I am saying many Muslims, including you, make about the Quran.
What is clear after "analyzing" the Quran is that at the very least many verses were clearly "authored" by Mohamed or someone other than Allah. Who wrote the "Opening": chapter 1 of the Quran? Who wrote 37: 164-166? Are there many other passages in the Quran that Allah could NOT have written even if by some miracle he did exist?
Examined by who exactly? People who already believe in the Qur'an? If not, can you point to the peer reviewed studies where experts of any field and are non-Islamic (or were when they studied it) decided that this was the case? Did these opinions/findings stand up to peer review? I'm not asking for anything unreasonable. This is the very process of science and the presentation of evidence for any claim. So how about it?
Lol the proof is out there for you to consider. There are a few different approaches to proving the Qur'an, but I'll start you off with this. Search YT for "Divine Speech Prologue."
Exactly. A person told me once that how can I not believe in a god if the bible was written by him/Quran by Allah. Well can you prove that the bible was written by god? 'Because I know' is not an answer.
I don't think skeptics, least not me, ignore what you are saying at all. In fact, I think I listened very carefully to what you said in this video and REJECT it as sound logic, not ignored it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your two so-called PROOFS that god is real are not proofs at all. First you use 52:35-36 of Quran to claim that god does exist and "makes it clear;" there is nothing clear about who wrote this! Then you use the Kalam argument without showing how there MUST be a first cause.
The quote from the Qur'an had nothing to do with proving the Qur'an as the word of God, and I hope that you know that. It's very obvious that my intention was to address the statement made in the Qur'an, not to prove that God said it. The quote was used because it reference the argument against those who doubt the existence of God.
Fair enough about the quote, but what about the Kalam argument? You did present the Kalam argument somewhat fairly using a simple to understand analogy, but presenting the Kalam argument is not what would be needed to demonstrate it. How is that just because it may seem intuitive to many who believe in a god that there necessarily MUST be a first cause as apposed to infinite causes or no first cause, etc. Also, AFTER showing that, how is that there MUST be a god who was this fist cause?
"How is that just because it may seem intuitive to many who believe in a god that there necessarily MUST be a first cause as apposed to infinite causes or no first cause, etc."
I touched on that in the video. For an elaborate explanation, read the article by Craig, found in the description.
"Also, AFTER showing that, how is that there MUST be a god who was this fist cause?"
I think understand what your asking, but I think we're looking at it from different directions. I'm not saying that "a god" is the first cause. I'm defining God as the first cause. That's what God means. God means the Eternal Creator. I'm not using the Qur'an or the Bible or any text to define God in this video. I'm taking the product of the argument, the Necessarily Eternal Uncaused First Cause as my God.
Now the question I'm often asked is why do I think this "God" is the God of the Qur'an specifically. The reality is there is only one First Cause, regardless what each religion claims about the First Cause. The "God of Islam" is not a different God from the "God of Christianity" or even the "God of Hinduism." The God is the same, but the beliefs about God may differ. While they all believe in God, when you go further into religions you run into problems with their concept of God, but not Islam.
Correct, we are looking at this differently. You claim a god is Allah while I am claiming gods are mere concepts! That's irrelevant though because at least one of us is wrong and we could never know which one. What is relevant to this video however is how do you know, and why should I believe, that there is a First Cause in the first place, and that this claim of a first cause is caused by a god (Allah if you want)? I know what you claim to believe in this video.
It's like you don't even read anything I say lol. A "god" is an object of worship. I worship the First Cause. You are claiming that "gods" are mere concepts, but you're not talking about all gods. What if someone worships a tree? A tree is not a mere concept, it's a tree, and it's that persons god. You can argue that all of the gods of pagan religions are mere concepts, and I'll agree with you.
Now I hold certain beliefs about the First Cause that you may not hold, but that's a different issue.
Why is a never ending chain logically impossible? This assumption that there is a beginning and an end has to be justified if it is to be a logical argument.
Scientists hypothesize that the big bang was the the beginning of what we describe as the universe. It would be unscientific to suggest that there was nothing before that because you would then be making an untestable hypothesis which is, by definition, unscientific.
Read the god delusion for an introduction to logic and science.
Escotch82 1 year ago
@Escotch82 Science is a tool, not a religion, as many people take it these days. It's one of many tools we use to find answers. Like any tool, it doesn't work for everything. Why have you paired science and logic as if they are the same? They are two different things entirely. The big bang is the beginning of the physical universe and the laws of physics, so you're right, we cant rely on them to figure out what was before, but logic, however, may reach beyond the universe. :-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago 36
Oh and why is a never ending chain impossible? Specifically talking about an infinite regress, if we're saying that everything is a result of the thing before it, but the chain goes back into infinity, then the chain could never have begun in the first place, so such a chain could not possibly exist. Therefore, if there is a chain, it must have a beginning.
dawahaddict 1 year ago 24
You don't really understand what evidence is do you. You're using a pretty easily refuted. In fact your argument is so good that it refutes itself, ie. who created god?
When scientists talk about the beginning of the universe, they are talking about the beginning of what WE define as the universe. They have no way of knowing what was before then and it would be unscientific to comment that there was nothing before then.
I personally believe it was the speghetti monster that created god.
Escotch82 1 year ago
@Escotch82 Man the shayateen don't quit lol. Come on, who created God? Are we still with this? Nothing created God. He wasn't created. It's like you're looking at uneaten bowl of cereal and asking, "Who ate my cereal?!" Obviously no one can answer because your cereal was not eaten. All that can be said is that no one at your cereal.
You're right. It would be unscientific, because it's beyond science, but not necessarily beyond understanding, or beyond logic. Not everything is science.
dawahaddict 1 year ago 29
young man, with "Lan Nasmat" on your shirt, you're cosmological argument (first cause) leaves open the question, "who created Allah?". Your answer, which I read below, does not suffice my curiosity.
Just so you know, I was born muslim, but have found it, the Quran, and Hadiths, to be far from any definition of perfection, to be too judgmental of non-muslims and eventually I gravitated towards atheism. The fact that I should be put to death for leaving Islam helped also. Islam is only a culture.
leptismagna10 1 year ago
@leptismagna10 Actually it doesn't at all. Allah wasn't created, so there's no need to ask that. I'm sorry of that does not suffice your curiosity.
We're all born Muslim. Denying the truth of the Qur'an won't make it any less true. Islam is a way of life, and as Allah tells us to say in the Qur'an, to you your way of life and to me my way of life.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict
Thanks i'm quite familiar with surat al kafiroon. We're all born Muslim...even Australian aboriginals who have never heard a word in Arabic? Its nice, even beautiful to think that we're all born with Allah in our hearts and minds, but this is delusion and just leads to Muslim supremacy.
While its obvious you love your religion, which is wonderful, just remember that someone like you and someone like me will never see the same picture when we look at Islam and its teachings.
leptismagna10 1 year ago
@leptismagna10 "even Australian aboriginals who have never heard a word in Arabic?"
Of course! Everyone is born upon the fitra, in a pure state of Islam. :-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago 11
@dawahaddict
You don't know for a fact that Allah wasn't created. You can only believe so. I've been told many a time when I was little that the shaytan is playing my mind when I asked such 'nonsense'. I find that there is a need to ask such a question. For many people it doesn't matter and its enough to know that Allah is eternal. But some people just cannot stop there. The fact that I should to go to juhannam for asking that is proof (to me at least) that there is something to hide.
leptismagna10 1 year ago
@leptismagna10 Not being created is part of the definition of God. You claim to not believe in God at all, so I don't see why it bothers you. That question in particular is attributed to shaytan, since this was a statement of the Prophet (saws), not because there is something to hide, but because shaytan tricks you and leads you to a false conclusion. That's his goal. He plays with your thought process.
Allah is the Creator, not the creation. That's what makes Him Allah.
dawahaddict 1 year ago 7
what makes you so certain that the Creator and God is the same deity?
Nvoron23 1 year ago
@Nvoron23 "God" is just a word we use to describe the Creator. That would be like asking, "How do you know that your mother and Marie are the same person?" Allah is just the Arabic word for it. That's why I mentioned it in the video. That choice stirred up some controversy.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
You're using physical laws of this universe (cause and effect) to describe what happened before this universe (and its laws) existed. See the problem?
How would you possibly know the physical laws (if any) outside the universe?
TooferMan 1 year ago
I don't understand why this 'uncaused first cause' must be Allah?
idiomasaur 1 year ago
@idiomasaur It's not about what must be. It's about what is. Why contemplate hypotheticals when you can deal with reality? God exists. We have responsibilities. What are we going to do about it?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Sorry if this is a repeated question, but what or who created God? Like you said in your video, nothing can create itself from itself. So could you give me a definite answer as to what or who created God? It's not like he could have been floating around and create something out of nothing.
TheBassManJeff 1 year ago
@TheBassManJeff It's ok. Since you asked so nicely, I'd be happy to answer it again :-)
God didn't create Himself. He was never created to begin with. He just always existed. Even though I kept it under 4 minutes, I still think I overcomplicated the explanation. It's such a simple concept. The quote in the beginning says it all. Does that answer your question? If there's anything else, just ask, and I'll do my best to answer if I can, insha'Allah.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
That was awesome brother! Really, mindbogglingly simple concept! Ramadan Mubarak! =)
mahi687 1 year ago
@mahi687 You're right, it really is simple. I think I should remake this video, and make it shorter. It doesn't even need 4 minutes to explain.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@Omnicron777 Allah is exalted far above the things you say against Him. You think you are hurting Allah, but you only hurt yourself.
Allah, there is none worthy of worship but Him, the Ever Living, The Self-Subsisting.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Well I watched the video in it's entirety, started commenting but read through your description afterwards and see that you like to censor your videos. I'm sure the question you keep getting is "who created the creator?" which you cannot answer. This reasoning is far from an answer and proves nothing. Have fun deleting this as well. Hilbert's Hotel proves nothing.
forcedidentity99 1 year ago 2
@forcedidentity99 If that's what you got from reading the description, then you have very poor reading comprehension skills. This is the only video for which I screen the comments. I had to because it was getting spammed.
I do keep getting that question lol, but I have no problem answering it. Nothing created the Creator. He is the Creator, not the Creation. He doesn't need a creator. See, that was really easy. Please be nicer next time.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
The "what is the very first cause" demonstration was already put forth by Aristotle about 400 BC, except that his answer was that it was an eternal fire of creation.
But, basically, your demonstration is the reasoning supporting monotheism. BUT it does not necessarily back Islam. Btw ramadân kareem!
Spritz86 1 year ago
@Spritz86 Thanks for the Ramadan wishes :-)
Well, my goal was basically to just set up the basic foundation of monotheism, but really when you look at it, it does prove the Islamic concept of God, at least by process of elimination. For example, the One God can't be Zeus or Thor or the FSM, because they just don't fit the description of an Eternal Creator separate and distinct from the creation. If you analyze it, the One God of Abraham (as) is the only conception of God that fits.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict There's also another interesting demonstration in favour of G-d's uniqueness that is btw detailed in Tabari's tafsir, that was itself borrowed from the early Christian exegesis (and perhaps from the Hebraic Midrash itself). He uses proof by contradiction to prove that association (shirk in Arabic) is impossible. If there were 2 G-ds, then their willings and forces would cancel out, and the "dominant beings" would no longer be almighty. Therefore there must be one only G-d.
Spritz86 1 year ago
@Spritz86 Wow you know your stuff lol. I'll have to check that out. You know, so much of this is just common sense, that you have to be crazy not to believe in Allah. That's why I stopped focusing on videos like this, and focused more on the religion.
By the way, are you Muslim? If you're not, why aren't you? :-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict : Thank you so much for posting this. I was raised a Christian and still consider myself to be Christian simply because I believe in Christ's existence and teachings. But I worship and know that only one God exists and there is no "but" following my statement. lol & yes everything that exists was made/caused by something preexisting.
Again thank you.
Peace and Blessings!
libdiva08 1 year ago
@libdiva08 You're very welcome. Actually I consider myself a Muslim because I believe in the teachings of Christ (as)! You are 100% right in saying that God is absolutely one, and you don't have to be Christian to believe in God alone and follow the teachings of Jesus (as). In fact, being Christian could actually make it hard for you to do that, since Christianity teaches that God is One BUT three parts. Jesus (as) taught that God is One, no buts. Actually, Jesus (as) is considered a Muslim!
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@libdiva08 If you don't mind me asking, have you ever considered becoming a Muslim? You seem to have the qualities of a Muslim :-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago
That's all very well, but you began the video saying that you had evidence of gods existence.
All you've done is conclude, that space and time got started by something that wasn't like anything that we experience within space/time. And then you decide to call that thing God, specifically Allah, the deity depicted by your particular favourite brand of religion.
I can see that you sincerely believe this. But, where is your actual evidence for it?
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@6Untitled9 Thanks for your question. This video was intended to be just a start of a proof for God and for Islam specifically. I had intended to follow it up with further videos building upon what was established in this video. However, I never got around to it lol. Insha'Allah, I'd really like to do sort of a remake of this video, because it was my first real video and could have been better, and because I feel that I wasted time with well known arguments when the opening quote was sufficient.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
first things first you provided no evidence. Second you say since that we don't know the cause of the universe it there for has to be the Abrahamic god? its just likly that it was caused by Xenu or the flying spaghetti monster.
shadoeboi212 1 year ago
@shadoeboi212 Common question, partly my fault. This was intended to be a part one in a series that would further develop the proof, but I never got around to it. Insha'Allah at some point I'd like to Reboot the series. However, even just this video proves that Xenu or FSM could not be God, just based on the qualities of these two characters. FSM is made of Spaghetti lol, and therefor, however delicious, he cannot be the Eternal Creator. And Xenu, it's he an alien warlord? They just don't fit.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict statistically speaking they are just as likely
shadoeboi212 1 year ago
@shadoeboi212 Statistically speaking? What statistics are you referring to?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
I'm sure its been said a million times already but I'll say it again:
How can you object to a "logically impossible never ending chain" of causes and yet be quite happy with the equally logically impossible notion of 'outside space' and 'before time'
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
@Hufflewaffle I don't find the latter examples to be logically impossible. I think your phrasing is misleading.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict Is there a way in which they could be phrased that would make more sense?
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
@Hufflewaffle Beyond space and time? Transcending space and time? Something like that maybe. It's not illogical, just impossible to fully wrap your head around. We only understand reality within the construct of space and time, so we cant imagine what beyond that would be, yet there is really no logical contradiction there. Maybe it's just a deficiency of language, not having words to express these concepts.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him” Jesus is above all ,"Jesus who comes from above is above all" In these closing days there are many rivals to Jesus, even in the realm of teaching, but "He that is from heaven is above all". "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things to be in his hand" Jesus said All things that the Father has are mine. Jesus is the true God and eternal life"
austriaheute 1 year ago
@austriaheute If you can't say "God is One" without adding "but" right after, then you do not truly accept that God is One, and you have gone off into what is called "shirk." If you don't know what shirk is, do a YouTube search for it.
Examples:
God is One but He has three persons
God is One but He has many manifestations and avatars
God is One but we can call on saints to intercede for us
God is One but He is also in everything
There are many more. Just study World Religions.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Hey all we don't have to do better or try harder for God to accept us. Our works will never repay God for the sins we have committed. That was done through the sacrifice of The Son of God, Jesus Christ. All we have to do is trust in Him.
thunder12327 1 year ago
@thunder12327 Hi thunder, thanks for your comment.
You are right that based on our works alone we can never equal what Allah has given us. That is why the mercy of Allah is so incredible, praise belongs to Allah alone!
To be forgiven of sins, all we have to do is simply ask Allah sincerely for forgiveness, and out of His mercy He grants it. That's it! Now doesn't that make a lot more sense than Jesus (as) having to get murdered so that we go sin-free? That sounds pretty backwards to me.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Trace the begingings of islam.
You will find that it copies a lot from the Bible.
And islam came along about 600-700 years -AFTER- Christ.
Also mohammad was nothing more than a lying pediphile!
Check it out for yourself.
ekajeht 1 year ago
@ekajeht Thank you very much for the comment. I honestly suggest that YOU trace the beginnings of Islam. Also, trace the beginnings of the Bible and of the Qur'an. You will see very quickly that Qur'an did not copy the Bible. While we know that the Bible was written by men, it does contain a great deal of truth, fragments of the message of God. The Qur'an, on the other hand, is 100% the word of God. So the similarities you see are due to both having the same source, God, or in Arabic, Allah.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict I have traced the islamic religion.
You should try researching islam.
Don't ask a muslim about it.
Do the research yourself.
ekajeht 1 year ago
@ekajeht Lol I'm the Muslim. Alhamdulillah I have been permitted by Allah to have knowledge of His religion. If you researched Islam, and the conclusion you came to was the the Qur'an borrows from the Bible, then you did a very poor job researching. Wither work harder, or find much better sources insha'Allah. You will find that the Qur'an is the literal word of Allah, and that the proof is there for you to see as long as you make the effort to understand it. May Allah guide you to Islam :-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@Aladoniss Thank you for the question. I get this same question all the time, or questions very similar to it, and I have to keep explaining it lol. Go check 0:53 and 3:03, and then tell me if that clears it up insha'Allah.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Dude .. Mashallah this logic is awesome. Mashallah I love u in Allah man. Please keep doing this. Never give up ur addiction. Am a subscriber for sure
wtalkie 1 year ago
This is not evidence. You have stated that the universe was created by an outside force.. You "have faith" that it was your God. As a seeker, lets say my god is superman.. Did superman do this? Can't prove it, nor can we prove that any god did this. I understand, logically, where this is intended.
I have read, again as a seeker, that the Bible has an overwhelming
unitedcardioRNP 1 year ago
@unitedcardioRNP Well, it's not that I just have faith. I think the word faith has been horribly misused by theists and non-theists. There is a difference between blind faith, believing in something without any evidence (or even contradictory evidence), and informed faith you might call it, believing in something that is supported by evidence, believing for good reason. Rational faith. I consider my faith the latter.
Looks like your comment got cut off. I'd love to hear the rest of it :-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago
As a medical student, and seeker, and past poster (yaah) I have a question.
The evidence you produce is both used by many religions to justify "God".
If we really go deep on this, you only proved that the universe was started by an outside force. REALLY, by using this, anyone's god could have done this. Superman, who is my god, did it!
The Bible vs. Islam.. The Bible has an overwhelming plethora of scrips, old scrolls, and documents. Why is this not true with the Quran?
unitedcardioRNP 1 year ago
@unitedcardioRNP Yes, this same evidence is used by many religions. The thing is, it doesn't necessarily match with their claims about God. For example, this correct understanding of God would conflict with Christian and Hindu understandings of God. Muslims, and for the most part Jews, have this correct understanding of God, which actually matches with what is discussed in this video.
Your god, Superman, fails similarly. He is part of the creation. He was born, he has weaknesses, etc. No go.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@unitedcardioRNP "The Bible vs. Islam.. The Bible has an overwhelming plethora of scrips, old scrolls, and documents. Why is this not true with the Quran?"
Not sure exactly what your asking. Could you clarify please? This sounds like a good question lol.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Very perfect explanation my muslim brother.
Mostafaqasemdarx 1 year ago
Thor is a way cooler god than Allah. Thor has his own comic book! PWND ;)~
mich1andre 1 year ago
@mich1andre My God makes the sun rise in the East. Tell yours to make it rise in the West. ;-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago
mashallah brother.
We need more brains like you in our ummah.
may allah reward you
Muslimstruggler 1 year ago
yeah definitely, so who created god? another god? for everything that begins to exist, there is something that causes it to exist, I make sense too, right
brianluk2006 1 year ago
@brianluk2006 Excellent question. Just take a second look at what you said. Everything that begins to exist needs a cause. God is the only thing that doesn't begin to exist, and therefore the only thing that doesn't need a cause. Does that help?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Awful reasoning. Why should there be a first domino?, It didnt cause itself?...it was caused by what it was previously, whatever that was. If everything has a cuase who caused the creator. and If it was a creater, what proof is there that it was allah, or not thor or zeus, you assume to much. maybe the real god doesnt want to give us a sign with aholy book, maybe he has other plans, not to save us?.. your using leaps of faith. Scientists have also been able to create basic life from non life.
lynus111 1 year ago
@lynus111 Thanks for the question. It looks like you missed part of the argument. I didn't say everything has a cause. I said everything that begins to exist has a cause. God didn't begin to exist, so He doesn't need a cause.
And as I've told countless commenters, I never intended this video as a proof of Islam. This is simply to show the existence of God and that it is in line perfectly with the Islamic understanding of God. Zeus and other made up gods don't fit the description. Not even close
dawahaddict 1 year ago
i bet that cat was the cause of the dominos :P salam, great stuff your doing here. Peace.
Habbibz91 1 year ago
So basically you're just stating that the big bang happened, the "first un-caused cause" and you are calling it Allah. That's no proof man. You're just telling us what we already know. The Big Bang (or "God" if you really want to call it that) does exist. But I don't think it has a personality or judges people, or anything of that sort. Give me proof of That and then I'll believe in this Islamic God.
YetAnthony 1 year ago
@YetAnthony Hi Anthony, thank you for asking me about my religion. I did not say that the Big Bang is Allah. Like you said, that wouldn't make sense. I am taking what you already know, that the Universe began with the Big Bang, which was an event, and saying that Allah was the cause of that event. Now, in this video, I am not discussing Islam, the Qur'an, or Muhammad (saws). I am only establishing that existence had a necessarily eternal cause, which is consistent with our understanding of Allah
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict I see now. Ok maybe there was an eternal cause for the Big Bang but there is also the possibility that The Big Bang had no cause and just occurred spontaneously like some sort of anarchy or Chaos. On the scale of atoms and molecules, the usual rules of Cause and Effect don't apply. It's been scientifically demonstrated that particles can pop into existence or pop out for no particular reason (cause)... but this is in the field of Quantum Physics which I don't know much about.
YetAnthony 1 year ago
@YetAnthony Well if you look at what this argument is saying, it's not that there could be a cause for the Big Bang, but that there logically must be a cause. I made this video overly simple so that everyone could get the basic idea, but if you want to get a deeper explanation, check out the link in the description by Craig. I'd love to hear your thoughts. You seem like a very honest guy. :-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago
google "Allah is known through reason" and click on the first link.
browse through the chapters (especially evolution one) if you still doubt the existence of God ;D
321Bismillah 1 year ago
u hav good knowled brother
MrMuslimboy 1 year ago
mashallah, and y are people arguing?? its not like they have a better theory if any1 does.. plz say :)
1raqixox 1 year ago
It's just Kalam. Kalam's 1st premise is false.
kyledavidbyron 1 year ago
@EvolvedSkeptic Why do you feel the need to be rude? Lol that is not an initial premise. Try again.
I enjoyed Philosophy 101 ;-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago
God bless you brother! keep up the good work:)
creative1111 1 year ago
@creative1111 Shukran :-)
dawahaddict 1 year ago
sorry but it doesnt sound like you paid attention in your logic class if you took it. this video is a Fallacy of Weak Induction, to be more direct it was an Appeal to Unqualified Authority and Appeal to Ignorance. the fact that we cant prove or disprove someting doesnt make your premises valid or sound. i am not an atheist or a satanist, i just hate when people try to prove that god is real with this argument. ive heard it many times, it is invalid and unsound.
yaaybob1 1 year ago
@yaaybob1 Hey yaaybob. I'm open to hearing what you have to say, but please go on. What is your problem with the argument? "the fact that we cant prove or disprove someting doesnt make your premises valid or sound." When did I bring up anything like that?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict that was what i said not you. your point is that you have proof of god right? you said in your video that Logic proves your argument. at about 3:20 you say this. Your argument in not proved by logic. your argument is actualy valid(my bad) but its conclusion is not properly supported by its premises so it is unsound(false). "Logic" prove this.
yaaybob1 1 year ago
@yaaybob1 You need to support your premises lol. What is your problem with the argument?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
to all the atheists Allah says .
(Man says: "What! When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?" (19:66)
But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing? (19:67)
weal555 1 year ago
im sorry but your also wrong.
Creation is misunderstood.
can somthing be caused to exist by itself. the awnser is YES.
if you knew anthing about E=mc2 you would know that Energy and mass are the same thing.
before there was mass there was Energy. and that energy BECAME the mass.
it didn't Create seperate mass out of Nothing.
topbluffa1 1 year ago
@topbluffa1 That is not an example of creation, but rather change of state, going from being energy to matter. What we're talking about is something being created, meaning it had not already existed, in any form, and then came into being.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Wrong. you asked people how something of MATTER is created and im telling you its created by the conversion of vasts amount of energy.
this is proven with E=mc2.
"where talking about something being created, meaning it had not already existed, in any form"
im sorry but that is a closed minded statement.
your talking about the physical Material universe.
i can say to you if you think your God created matter then WHO or WHAT created God.
i can explain this with my (and Einstein's) theory can u
topbluffa1 1 year ago
@topbluffa1 "Wrong. you asked people how something of MATTER is created and..."
When did I ask you that? I'm pretty sure you just made that up lol.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
"What we're talking about is something being created"
by creationism you mean the creation of Mass.
just because something doesn't exist in mass does not mean it does not exist.
your scientific logic really sucks.... sorry.
topbluffa1 1 year ago
@topbluffa1 "you mean the creation of Mass."
No, no I don't lol. Why do you want me to only mean matter?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
well you didnt say MATTER but you said Creation.
God already existed before creation right?
thats all im saying.
topbluffa1 1 year ago
@topbluffa1 Right, creation, not matter. Matter is a part of creation. So is energy, space, time, etc.
Yes, God existed before creation, if you want to phrase it that way. God exists outside of and separate from creation.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
I believe in God I also believe Jesus is his son, and that he died on the cross and rose three days later. God reveals himself in his wonders, he is visible to me because I feel the presence of the holy spirit. It isnt blind faith because his power is real!
QUEENBEACHA 1 year ago
@QUEENBEACHA God's power is real, but that doesn't mean you are not believing in it blindly. Just because your belief is correct does not mean you have evidence for it. You could guess and be right, but it's not wise to base your way of life on a guess. That would be blind faith. In Islam, we have evidence. The followers of Jesus (as) had evidence that he was a prophet (not son of God btw) when he performed miracles. Of course, those miracles were then and we can't go back to see them.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
What caused God? If God is able to be uncaused, then what's to say that some uncaused process beyond our understanding caused this universe (and others) to exist? Your argument doesn't necessarily support the existence of a deity, much less that such a deity would even have a vested interest in humanity. It's ok to admit that we don't have all the answers.
byteXI 1 year ago
friend we have different ideas but you have a good attitude. you should make music. drums maybe.
noyafabian 1 year ago
@noyafabian Lol thanks man. Why drums specifically?
dawahaddict 1 year ago
@dawahaddict
just tried to picture you behind various instruments and you looked most natural on percussion. good video sir.
noyafabian 1 year ago
nice video,, but still there are lots of ignorants who cant understand this,,
raju53 1 year ago
It's sad to know there are people out there who think this whole universe is just some sort of accident and don't believe in a Creator. Jazakum Allahu khairan for your efforts.
BeautyOFDeen 1 year ago
Interesting
mali4eva 1 year ago
Jesus was real but his religion was hijacked and was made to really just be the religion the Romans wanted people to follow Muslims know the dates in the bible for Jesus death birth etc are wrong and the reason they are wrong is because they was changed to fit the old pagan dates.
Jesus aka Mithra aka Horus.aka many others.
topbluffa1 1 year ago
Ganesh himself his name or his physical appearance does not matter just as Allah is probably not What god calls himself.
Ganesh like i said merely represents Aum The vibrational force god used to create the universe we live in.
as in most early religion they assign things with a being probably because people found it easier that way to follow.
for example the Jesus story has been told many times with different names used but the story has always been about the Sun.
topbluffa1 1 year ago
@topbluffa1 The Jesus (as) and the Sun alleged connection is really just silly nonsense. There's very little truth to it.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
If you dont have blind Faith ion government t and you believe in evidence etc i would like to know your stance on Cannabis.
topbluffa1 1 year ago
when i said Aum Created the Universe I meant Aum was the process.
Einstein himself says E=mc2 which means ENERGY = MASS squared by the speed of Light, and Energy and Mass are the same thing.
I think Islam believes that God is Physical where as Hindus believe he is not but he created Physical forms to mingle with us etc.
Science also proves there is probably many realms/reality whatever you want to call them Even existing in the same space as us just vibrating on a different frequency.
topbluffa1 1 year ago
Actually, Islam teaches that God is in no way physical, because that would make Him like the creation, and He is separate from creation as I stated previously.
What you said about Hinduism is very interesting, and I want to dig deeper here. You mentioned that Hindus believe that God is non-physical, and on that point you are absolutely correct. However, people also believe that God manifests physically in lower forms to communicate with humanity. I will tell you that there is a hidden truth...
dawahaddict 1 year ago
...in that. First, let me tell you a little bit about Islam. Islam means submission to God's will on His terms. This is the same basic message that God has always communicated to humanity. So, how does God communicate with us? Does He manifest physically? No. So then, how? Throughout history, God chose from each society a person, a normal human being like us, to be a Prophet or Messenger. God reveals to that Prophet the message of Islam, and he teaches it to his people. So, in India, there...
dawahaddict 1 year ago
...were many prophets sent. However, over time, people either forgot their names, and they were only remembered as anonymous sages whose teachings may have contributed to the writings of certain Hindu holy books and philosophical texts, or, people after generations, started to think of them as more than just people, but as manifestations of gods, or as gods themselves! Some of the devas and avtars may have originated as Prophets of Islam! f you look hard, you can find the traces of monotheism.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Aum is actually the vibrational sound that created existence and is not god. God is Everything which is Brahman whos Physical Form is Shiva.
there are many realms and this is the physical one ruled by matter and gravity Electro magnetism etc .
Aum is Represented as Ganesh.
But Ganesh is only a part of God materialised in Matter.
topbluffa1 1 year ago
Brother, just saying it does not make it true. That's what we're talking about. Blind faith verses evidence. I don't know of any evidence for a particular sound of creation.
God is not everything, and we have clearly demonstrated that in this video. That is the number one error of mainstream hindu theology. By definition, the Creator is separate from creation.
Shiva? Why not Vishnu? See, this is where it gets into just made up names of gods. I don't mean to be insulting brother, but I know...
dawahaddict 1 year ago
...the origins of these so called gods. They come from the fusion of Aryan culture with the cultures of non-Aryan peoples in India over the last few thousand years. What is today called Hinduism is a very recent religion, that was only fully formed in the last few hundred years..
Ganesh, for example, was most likely a pre-Aryan local elephant-headed god. When the Aryans came, their gods became superior, so Ganesh was associated with Shiva, and called his son.
dawahaddict 1 year ago
Hinduism is the closest religion to science of today.
Qu'ran is all correct but has less about the creation of universe etc.
Aum created the physical universe we live in.
topbluffa1 2 years ago
Being CLOSE to science is not the marker of the true religion. Sure, the religion should not be incompatible with science, but compatibility is not a proof. For example, I could make up my own religion now and add in all of the scientific facts I want. Would that make it the truth? Of course not.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
I know a pretty good amount about Hinduism, and there are surprisingly many similarities with Islam when you dig down to its core. Most Hindus believe that there is a single all powerful Creator. It seems like you are one such Hindu. Am I right?
dawahaddict 2 years ago
You use the word Aum, which I haven't heard used in this way before. Others use Brahman or Bhagwan. As long as the definition is sound, then I have no problem with the name, and we are talking about the same thing. If what you call Aum means the Eternal Creator Who is separate and distinct from His creation and is absolutely One with no partners or manifestations, then this is the same as Allah.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
About the first day (Big Bang), Allah says: [Quran 21.30] Do not those who disbelieve see that the heavens and the Earth were meshed together then We ripped them apart? And then We made of water everything living? Would they still not believe?
About the expanding universe, Moslems say that Allah told them about this expansion 1400 years before it was discovered: [Quran 51.47] And the heaven, We built it with craftsmanship and We are still expanding.
StuntWorkz 2 years ago
You are very welcome :-)
dawahaddict 2 years ago
To add: Ask yourself the question why we need to believe in Allah? For this I don't want you to quote the Koran or any other gospel but tell me from the heart why you believe. I don't believe myself but that should not mean that I do not respect you as a human being. I think the only reason why people would believe in such a God, is that they will die one day and they hate the idea of being alone. Lets think about that for a sec. What does it mean to be alone?
tekkamanraven 2 years ago
I think you are asking the wrong question. We need to believe in Allah, as far as His existence, because He exists. That's like asking why we need to believe in refrigerators. A better question about refrigerators might be, "Why do we need to have a refrigerator?" The answer would be that it keeps food from spoiling, right?
So, the correct question we should be asking is, "Why do we need to worship Allah?" The answer to that could go on for days, but to put it simply, we owe Allah everything...
dawahaddict 2 years ago
...and Allah owes us nothing, yet He gives us everything. On top of that, He has commanded us to worship Him, though I am aware that you do not yet believe that. Maybe you will after you study Qur'an.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
He has not commanded us anything. Just because one person claims God has spoken to him does not make it so for the rest of the world. If there were really a Allah don't you think it would talk to us all so that everyone would believe?
This is the problem with all 3 Abrahamic religions. You don't have claim that yours is right over the other 2, because the other two would argue the same point. Please read the old and the new testament. I argue the fact that religion is a matter of birth.
tekkamanraven 2 years ago
I don't think religion is a matter of birth, since my parents are Jewish and Christian lol.
Remember this life is a test. Would it make sense, if you were given a test in school, if the teacher came next to you and told you all the answers to the questions? Of course not. Then the test would be pointless. Instead, you are given the information to study, and those who put in the effort to seek out the knowledge will do well on the test, and those who make no effort will do poorly.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
If Allah wanted everyone to believe, He would have made everyone believe. He could have also forced us to submit to His will. Instead, He has made the truth accessible to those who put in a sincere effort to find it, and has left it up to us to choose whether or not to willingly submit.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
I love the way you separate Islam from blind faith. lol That's exactly what it is. Your going to tell me that an illiterate man had Allah speak to him in a cave where no one else could see or listen? Just so you know I find all religion ridiculous. Its like Santa Clause I grew up and realized that its just a child story. I hope the world can do the same for religion one day :-)
tekkamanraven 2 years ago
Lol hi tekkamanraven. Yes I believe that Allah spoke to Muhammad (saws) who was illiterate. I understand that you do not believe this. Since you don't, I would ask you to, on your own, read the translation of the Qur'an, and then consider if that illiterate Arab merchant could have written it, or for that matter, if any human being could have written it. I am confident that, if you study the Qur'an sincerely, not just looking to "disprove" it, you will conclude that it must be God's words. Try!
dawahaddict 2 years ago
Well, said.... Though I do not believe Allah is God, I do agree withis principal, which I have tried to explain to others....
lovelyladyjade 2 years ago
Thanks Jade :-)
If you don't believe Allah is God, it might be because you misunderstand the meaning of Allah. Allah is just the Arabic word for God. Arab Jews, Christians, and Muslims all use this word.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
The true name of God is YHWH, or Yahweh, whose Son, Jesus Christ, is the incarnation of His Father. You can not be in fellowship with your Father in heaven except through His Son, who is your LORD and Savior. (p.s. good logic on the cosmology, it really is quite simple once you learn this, and you explained it well.)
jayorama1 2 years ago
There are many names for God in different languages. YHWH is one of the Hebrew words for God. It's meaning is the same or very close to Al Hayy ul Qayyum in Arabic, which means "The Ever-Living, The Self-Existing." Allah is the Arabic word for YHWH, and it shares its root with the Hebrew words El and Elohim, and the Aramaic word Alaha, all meaning God.
Islam rejects the Chistian concept that Jesus (as) is God or son of God. We say what Jesus (as) said, that he is God's servant and prophet.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
All the evidence you present has to be objective or it does not count. Mystical interpretations mean it is only a guide, not the actual word of Allah, and then all gods are on the same level, as Allah.If you can prove every word is literal with objective evidence, I will become a Muslim, but Zeus will most likely strike me with thunderbolts before that happens. If not then de-convert, and become a deist.,and fight against Islam to end the bronze age religions.
NWOSupporter2012 2 years ago
The Qur'an is ,most assuredly, the literal word of God. I can present you with all the evidence you need. If you like we can go into a deeper discussion through messages. I'd recommend you watch a speech my Nouman Ali Khan called "Divine Speech Prologue." You can search for it on YouTube or look for it in my playlists insha'Allah (God willing).
dawahaddict 2 years ago
Prove Islam, before you move on to God. All religions so far have not been proven as absolute truth, so yeah, there is no point to argue for God, if the God you present is not even possible,and all the mythological gods are just as true. You have to use your holy book literal, and you can not say a verse is "metaphorical," because Allah inspired the damn book supposedly. (Continued)
NWOSupporter2012 2 years ago
You have it backwards. I made this video in order to FIRST prove God BEFORE proving Islam specifically. Once you understand that God exists, even in a Deistic way, it is easier to understand Islam. As you can see, there is only one "God" and all other so-called "gods" are just made up.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
flippycat xD
kaplinbaa 2 years ago
guys ohh you make me sick! dawahaddict let us show of the beathiful Islam, and your comments is a bit hard, i mean if you don't want hear about it then don't watch it! because your comments make me sick -.-
kaplinbaa 2 years ago
1) If you claim, that something is coreated, you have to show a potential creator. otherwise its not scientific and not logical.
complexity isn't evidence for intelligence if we cannot see an acting. Even then it would be only an anthropomorphism.
2) we cannot make statements about the "first cause". and this means that we also cannot say that it has a personality.
Furthermore a cause needs coexistence and cannot by singuar.
guillatra 2 years ago
Yay assertions.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
جزاك الله خيراً
Garabsare 2 years ago
I only screen comments on this video because of the levels of spam comments I receive.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
please prove to me that the quran is the word of god, and not the bible, baghadvadgita, vedas..etc..?
TheCrocoduck 2 years ago
The Qur'an is not the only revelation that God has ever sent. The Bible contains the traces of a few different revealed books, and the Hindu scriptures may as well.
There are a number of ways to prove the Qur'an. To start, I would recommend searching YT for "Divine Speech Prologue" and watching both parts.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
Well if God is perfect, then why does he have to send many books? Why not have one book?
Also, why does God, this alleged man who created AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE, only choose to speak to illiterate peasants in bronze-age Arabia or through scripture? Why doesn't he talk to us right now in front of us? jeez.. you'd think a man like him, who gives SO MUCH EVIDENCE FOR EVOLUTION, yet he can't prove his own existence (or at least has a hard time)?
One last thing: do you accept evolution?
TheCrocoduck 2 years ago
"Well if God is perfect, then why does he have to send many books? Why not have one book?"
Great question. Thank you for asking it :-)
While there have been many revelations, they have always contained the same basic message of Islam. In general, these books were left in the hands of the people to preserve, and thus served not only as a guidance for the people, which was the main function, but also as a trial for them. It was their responsibility to protect the message from corruption. This...
dawahaddict 2 years ago
...arrangement worked because if the message was distorted over time, which eventually it was, another prophet would come to correct and update the previous revelation. However, the Qur'an is different because it was the final revelation, and Muhammad (saws) the final prophet. In this situation, there would not be another prophet that would come to correct the people if the Qur'an was corrupted, and so in this instance God said that He Himself would see to its preservation. As we can easily...
dawahaddict 2 years ago
...observe today, the Qur'an has not changed in any way at all since it was revealed to Muhammad (saws) 1400 years ago, and God has kept the Qur'an preserved. Today there are over 9.3 million Muslims in the world who have the entire Qur'an memorized by heart in Arabic, and most are not Arabic speakers.
Life is a test. God has made His existence and the authenticity and validity of the Qur'an clear to those who seek out knowledge and put in the work to find the truth. You have to study hard. :-)
dawahaddict 2 years ago
I see God when I look everywhere. It really depends on how you look around. Look at material. Atoms made of protons and nettrons which do not conscience. They come together and make elements. They came together and make amino acids, come together make proteins, come together make tissues, come together make organs, come together make you. Now you have consience and make you are living, but made of the non-living. What made you living? I see God EVERYWHERE.
hakos3d 2 years ago
Brother, you should listen to Imam anwar al awlaki
he has an excellent lecture, its called life of the prophets
It has the most amazing stories and really melts ur heart
its a tad bit long tho :/
DarkPrincess1894 2 years ago
How do you know the Quran is the infallible word of a mythical-god? How do you know the mythical-god Allah is this god? Saying that the Quran is evidence that proves the Quran is oxymoronic. Claiming as truth Allah is the one and only god because it says so in the Quran is oxymoronic. The only evidence that shows that faith is true is in the belief that it is, because my friend told me so.
It is safe to question beliefs and abandon beliefs! Beliefs are not evidence; they are beliefs!
JohnHasSeriousQ 2 years ago 2
All word games.
Christians are known for claiming that the Bible is the word of God because the Bible says so. Total circular reasoning. Muslims say that the Qur'an is the word of God because through analyzing the Qur'an, its content, its style, its preservation, etc, it can be determined that it can not be the work of anyone other than God.
Not circular reasoning, and not "oxymoronic."
dawahaddict 2 years ago
I agree that many Christians do make the same claim to fame about the Bible that I am saying many Muslims, including you, make about the Quran.
What is clear after "analyzing" the Quran is that at the very least many verses were clearly "authored" by Mohamed or someone other than Allah. Who wrote the "Opening": chapter 1 of the Quran? Who wrote 37: 164-166? Are there many other passages in the Quran that Allah could NOT have written even if by some miracle he did exist?
What word games?
JohnHasSeriousQ 2 years ago
Ok lol, just ignore everything I said.
Why don't you think that Allah did not write Surat al Fatiha, the Opening? What you're saying just does not make sense.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
Examined by who exactly? People who already believe in the Qur'an? If not, can you point to the peer reviewed studies where experts of any field and are non-Islamic (or were when they studied it) decided that this was the case? Did these opinions/findings stand up to peer review? I'm not asking for anything unreasonable. This is the very process of science and the presentation of evidence for any claim. So how about it?
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago 2
If you doubt that the Qur'an is the word of God, then go study it for yourself. No one is stopping you.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
So what you're telling me is you can't/won't produce evidence for your claim above?
BiggestOfDaddies 2 years ago
Lol the proof is out there for you to consider. There are a few different approaches to proving the Qur'an, but I'll start you off with this. Search YT for "Divine Speech Prologue."
dawahaddict 2 years ago
Exactly. A person told me once that how can I not believe in a god if the bible was written by him/Quran by Allah. Well can you prove that the bible was written by god? 'Because I know' is not an answer.
towelempire 2 years ago 2
Another person ignoring everything said in response. I'm not repeating my comment. Scroll up and read it.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
I don't think skeptics, least not me, ignore what you are saying at all. In fact, I think I listened very carefully to what you said in this video and REJECT it as sound logic, not ignored it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your two so-called PROOFS that god is real are not proofs at all. First you use 52:35-36 of Quran to claim that god does exist and "makes it clear;" there is nothing clear about who wrote this! Then you use the Kalam argument without showing how there MUST be a first cause.
JohnHasSeriousQ 2 years ago
The quote from the Qur'an had nothing to do with proving the Qur'an as the word of God, and I hope that you know that. It's very obvious that my intention was to address the statement made in the Qur'an, not to prove that God said it. The quote was used because it reference the argument against those who doubt the existence of God.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
Fair enough about the quote, but what about the Kalam argument? You did present the Kalam argument somewhat fairly using a simple to understand analogy, but presenting the Kalam argument is not what would be needed to demonstrate it. How is that just because it may seem intuitive to many who believe in a god that there necessarily MUST be a first cause as apposed to infinite causes or no first cause, etc. Also, AFTER showing that, how is that there MUST be a god who was this fist cause?
JohnHasSeriousQ 2 years ago
"How is that just because it may seem intuitive to many who believe in a god that there necessarily MUST be a first cause as apposed to infinite causes or no first cause, etc."
I touched on that in the video. For an elaborate explanation, read the article by Craig, found in the description.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
"Also, AFTER showing that, how is that there MUST be a god who was this fist cause?"
I think understand what your asking, but I think we're looking at it from different directions. I'm not saying that "a god" is the first cause. I'm defining God as the first cause. That's what God means. God means the Eternal Creator. I'm not using the Qur'an or the Bible or any text to define God in this video. I'm taking the product of the argument, the Necessarily Eternal Uncaused First Cause as my God.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
Now the question I'm often asked is why do I think this "God" is the God of the Qur'an specifically. The reality is there is only one First Cause, regardless what each religion claims about the First Cause. The "God of Islam" is not a different God from the "God of Christianity" or even the "God of Hinduism." The God is the same, but the beliefs about God may differ. While they all believe in God, when you go further into religions you run into problems with their concept of God, but not Islam.
dawahaddict 2 years ago
Correct, we are looking at this differently. You claim a god is Allah while I am claiming gods are mere concepts! That's irrelevant though because at least one of us is wrong and we could never know which one. What is relevant to this video however is how do you know, and why should I believe, that there is a First Cause in the first place, and that this claim of a first cause is caused by a god (Allah if you want)? I know what you claim to believe in this video.
Why should I believe it?
JohnHasSeriousQ 2 years ago
It's like you don't even read anything I say lol. A "god" is an object of worship. I worship the First Cause. You are claiming that "gods" are mere concepts, but you're not talking about all gods. What if someone worships a tree? A tree is not a mere concept, it's a tree, and it's that persons god. You can argue that all of the gods of pagan religions are mere concepts, and I'll agree with you.
Now I hold certain beliefs about the First Cause that you may not hold, but that's a different issue.
dawahaddict 2 years ago