Anyone that thinks the government didn't have a hand in this and believe that those buildings collapsed from the planes and jet fuel alone are just pure fucken IDIOTS!!
@gaqliveshere yes you are, go back to x games then go back to sleep..... 9/11 didn't happen and the official response of 9/11 by our government includes wt7!
@gaqliveshere "mental, drunk, wat, shut up, weirdo"..................please stop trying so hard. BTW self projection all the time or only when your not working?
@gaqliveshere You have nothing left after only 5 words ""mental, drunk, wat, shut up, weirdo"? Rinse and repeat?? Do you know what they call people who continually repeat the same behavior (in your case the same use of multitudinous structure words while expecting different responses? Handicapped). Dare I ask how you make money lol!!
"How is this happening when the plane was up 50 more stories and the stairwell's collapsing on us? Something wasn't right, man.Something else had to go on here, something else was going on here this just don't happen when a plane hits the 80th floor of a building and the lobby gets blown out.Something wasn't right in Denmark that day"--FDNY Battalion chief on 9/11
You people need to ask yourselves some critical questions. If there were bombs placed in the building, what would be the purpose of detonating the bombs in what seems to be random order? This only gives away their hidden presence and serves no tactical purpose. If in fact there were bombs placed in the building you would think they would detonate them stimulatingly with the crash of the air plane. You never see a planned demolition have bombs blow up in some strange random order do you?
@bugsta77 wow. you are soooo naieve and dumb. why even come onto a page where a fucking firemen that was there telling you how this wasnt just a fucking terror attack. this was a false flags attack on their own people. the bush administration, david rockefeller. 9/11 was planned in england years befor 9/11/01. if people who were there, are telling you that their were bombs and shady shit happening and you wont believe it, then what the fuck will you believe. you let the government TELL you. wow
The building bent completely when it was hit before retracting to its original position. You can hear people who were in the tower say this. The bending of the building blew out the windows and marble slabs. Gas lines burst, and fire form the top floors went down the elevator shaft much like the affect of gun powder burning through a barrel of a gun, burning people and causing devastation in the lobby.
@bugsta77 If it bent, that means it was doing what it was designed to do, PROTECTING THE BUILDINGS STRUCTURE, the buildings were built with 3 different sections top to bottom so they could move with winds, etc. They were actually designed for an airliner to hit them
@bugsta77 COME ON. That whole "fireball down elevator shaft" thing CAUSING the devastation in the lobby is asisine. I'm not doubting that it didn't happen... after all, this fireman is saying it did. But to think that the "fireball" could destroy the entirety of the WTC lobby the way it did... have you ever been at WTC? It's HUGE... that's simply not possible.
This guy says some amazing things. There should be some way to amass all the key evidence from first hand witnesses into one resource, and make this information available to the general public. That might help to unify public sentiment enough to where a real investigation could be done that might reveal the true perps behind 911. One can only hope.
@Barnekkid I agree but unfortunately... no one gives a crap anymore. Maybe there will be a blip on 9-11-11 but don't pin any hopes to it.
I recently told a RNC fundraiser that if they wanted $ from me they had to put OBL's head on a pike on the National Mall. Needless to say, they don't call me anymore.
Vatican-Pope-Jesuits-illuminati-NAZIS-CFR (luciferian jews) run the world. All secret societies, organized religions ruled by an elite bloodline, same bloodline ruling from Egypt 2 Rome British (European) Empire - America Empire (1913 Fed Reserve. Presidents & King stand at whim of the real power which is the priest hood (Priests - Bishops - Cardinals - Pope) standing behind the throne - trying to form it's one world luciferian gov't.
larry silverstein also owned that building along with the two that went down, he claimed that tower 7 building burned down making it the first skyscraper in history to collapse solely from fire
@modshroom And what if "the government" as you put it was doing deals with the Bin Ladens? The film Fahrenheit 9/11 raises some very interesting points about oil deals and Saudi finance too. The most interesting possibility was that the terrorists were not Muslim... (Jewish students on upper floors with blueprints & boxes?)
@misterbonzai08 The artists on the upper floors were Austrians. Liars like Kevin Barrett try to cause confusion on this point. See, the Israeli spy ring posed as artists, and these guys were artists, so they must have been Mossad.
For more about Barrett see my video "Kevin Barrett Go to your Room"
@punxsutawneybarney You are correct, they were Austrians and Germans but the FBI had linked them to Mossad not some Australian union leader! Take a look at this 5:19 long video interview with pics: /watch?v=5bn8zEUI9_k
All I want to know is, why were 'artists' on the 90th floor of the WTC with 3 tonnes of boxes, architectural blueprints and later seen jumping for joy/high-fiving on a white van by nearby residents when the Twin Towers collapsed, later deported, giving an interview on Israeli TV!
@misterbonzai08 The artists were there because the WTC had a program of giving empty space to artists. Do you have any evidence, other than Jonathan Elinoff's say so in your video, that there was any connection between these artists and the Mossad? Did it never occur to you that Jonathan Elinoff might be disinfo, and might the fact that he couldn't get anybody in the truth movement other than the moronic Kevin Barrett to pay any attention to him not be a clue?
@punxsutawneybarney How charitable of them! Let's just let some hippies free roaming rights around one of the most expensive bits of real estate on Earth. Construction passes and blueprints of the building? Shift-patterns of guards? Doesn't sound like they were painting pretty pictures.
Israeli agents have been infiltrating government agencies up and down the country "selling art". This needs investigation.
@misterbonzai08 My understanding is that there was vacant space in the WTC and the managemtent was hoping that some artists would be inspired enough and grateful enough to up the prestige of the address.
Yes,. the Israeli "art student" spy ring needs investigation. But the irresponsible conflation of it with a bunch of Austrian artists makes the truth movement look bad, as does Dr. Barrett's very dishonest work on the subject in "Questioning the War on Terror".
@misterbonzai08 So I take it you don't have any evidence, other than Jon Elinoff's very airy claims, of any connection between the Austrian artists and the Mossad.
the reason why there were "BOMBS" in the first floor is because muslims planted bombs on the first floor without anyone knowing.
The attack on america that day by osama was not just 2 planes, he had men plant bombs in the tower AND use planes. you fucking idiots think that THE GOVERNMENT PUT BOMBS IN THE TOWER, use your heads for a fucking second.
John Schroeder is very nice person. He gave a very clear description of what he saw and heard on that day. He also belives there was a bomb in the lobby and i agree with him.
Question.... Why is it there are a LOT of firefighters that tell the same story but we never hear about them? We see firefighters that are believers but guys like this never make the news. I believe every word coming out this guys mouth.
you all need to hear the testimony of William Rodriguez, there was NO DOUBT, there were bombs in the towers, and William, also said, there were explosion in the basement, I believe this fire-fighter, he has gained NOTHING telling the truth.........but the government as gained EVERYTHING buy lying, common sense will tell you the truth................not science
@mattfactsof911 u can't support the official 'theory' after hearing this story man!
u saying that ALL the first responders & eye witnesses are absolutely wrong & some bull that a politicial official made up is right? nist was not scientific- its political
@mattf.........were in his testimony did Willy Rod say that, I have heard his testimony many times, I have also recommend it to friends, I sat there and watched it with them, and after viewing every single one of them are now truther.....................tell me where in his testimony he said that please................................and it looks like your getting your ass kicked on this site, Mate................you need to call for some back up
well when the whole muslim world knows that it was al qaeda that attacked us for a few con artists to claim it was an inside job based on false information is rather fallacious
now that i have to agree ,our foreign policy is not right, and I definetly think theres wayto many distractions! the problem is there are too many things that dont add up! theres nothing wrong with asking questions and trying to learn more, but just going with what your told is not always a good idea!!
if fire on top floors could bring down buildings, there would be no such thing as demolition teams, as this would be alot cheaper to simpl;y set building on fire and let it fall.....!
@mattfactsof911 if your so confident and happy with our country, why do you bother arguing with idiots like me?? you must have made and living easy in the wolfschanze and don't want us simple folk to be aware of our impending doom!!
the fact that muslim radicals killed innocent civilians is sad, the fact that 911 truthers lie about the events to profit of merchandise, videos and web sites that distribute false information, quotes out of context and make out right fallacious claims is not sad, it is sickening
what is more disturbing is the fact people believe this crap with out even fact checking these claims
the fact that muslim radicals killed innocent civilians is sad, the fact that 911 truthers lie about the events to profit of merchandise, videos and web sites that distribute false information, quotes out of context and make out right fallacious claims is not sad, it is sickening
what is more disturbing is the fact people believe this crap with out even fact checking these claims
I've seen the FACTS first hand. The facts are there were explosives used to demolish the WTC
ae911truth(dot)org 3rd peer reviewed and published scientific paper (Bentham) It on the site. I have seen no FACTS relating to these explosives being set by radical Muslim extremists. That is the fairytale. What is sick is your ignorance, either intentional or otherwise.
Dont forget that the WTC were designed to with stand the impact from a 707. Sure its a different plan, but many aspects are the same. Plus the 707 has a higher cruise speed which is going to give them much the same momentum.
@mattfactsof911 well actually 30 mins or so. Yea funny that... you can see people waving for help from the huge impact holes the plane left.. Now how can a fire burn at such a high temperature to bring down a sky scraper, but yet people can survive so close to it? We can also see people a few floors above the fire. Doesnt it seem odd that steel melts and people can simply walk above it?
@mattfactsof911 no that is not what im claimming at all. You can see the fireball cant you? you can see smoke coming out of the holes/windows cant you? Im claimming that the fire can not be as hot as it is said to be.
typical office fire is 1450 F enough to make steel lose approx. 75 % of its load bearing ability, thats why structural steel has fire proofing regulations
are you claiming the fires in the wtc were magic and burnt cooler than a normal office fire
how come other steel structures have collapsed from fire alone
@mattfactsof911 name 2 skyscrapers that have fallen which have caused another building to fall because of fire. Remember the Windosr tower in spain? burnt for 18 hours, it was still standing
57000 gallons of jet fuel burning at over 2000 deg. is why it melted steal in this case and other high rise fires are not the same. 57000 GALLONS bud look it up you have the internet. have you ever seen 1 gallon of jet fuel burn? 57000 gallons
Hahahahahahaha, sorry dnahulvey but that last post of yours is utter drivel, the planes were estimated to be carrying about 10,000 gals of fuel each, NOT 57,000! FFS! In any case, most of the fuel went up in the initial fireball and the rest burned off in the first ten minutes, after that it was just an office fire that was burning cooler and cooler. A woman with an IR camera took an image showing very cool fires burning, not a raging inferno. Think before you type!
It was a priviledge to listen to this genuine, salt-of-the -earth man open his soul on video and tell so many painful details of that day. God bless him and all his comrades. I salute them and grieve for their losses. Watching these interviews and seeing tough, strong men reduced to tears is extremely moving and brings home why we are fighting this fight for truth, it is to get to the bottom of the strange events of 911.
All the best to Mr. Schroeder and the others involved.
where are the tapes from the conversations on the planes
you do repeat shit dont you , here something loser change wont tell you, up to 4 family members of each victim on flight 93 were flown to the FBI and played the CVR from flight 93
hey moron, I asked you to answer me..were bombs found in the bulldings at okc? you are going and doing research and then answering and you know the answer...if there were bombs wired in the buildings of okc, how did McVeigh get them there when that was the fbi building?
no idiot...they are not separate if our govt has done this before...did they have bombs in the building in OKC? if so, who could have put them there when the FBI is housed there?
I do not know if nypd issued a statement...i do know it was brought down by controlled demolition and was announced it was coming down prior to being pulled..even Silverstein said they "pulled" it.
okc is important as it shows a pattern of the perps. you seem to not care about the americans that have been killed in these false flag events..I do care about them...you are the type of Moron the perps count on to get away this these crimes.
that is irrelevant...bombs were planted in the buildings just like okc. you will never buy it as you are living in denial. thermite was used. no steel buildings in history had ever collapsed in history due to fire...you do not understand how metal works. it has to be made hot enough to break...it was not...the official story is a complete lie. NIST had to change their findings many times due to be hounded by real scientists. under lab had to fire Kevin Ryan due to their coverup...
for one the fire was at the top of the building therefor it did not have too support the weight of 10 -20 floors and it partially collapse, was there dick cheney nano thermite there too
and different construction, the fire proofing was not blown of by a 300000 pound plane
why have numerous steel structures collapsed from fire, were they inside jobs too
why do they have fire proofing regulations for structural steel if steel is impervious to fire?
you are a moron...I said collapsed...mccormick place was a roof collapse and not total collapse...it was not a high rise either...keep fishing...give me another steel high rise in history that fell due to fire???
is that all you have got? why did fema arrive the day before in nyc? where are the tapes of the passengers boarding any of the 4 flights? missing according to the fbi...where are the 80 videos missing from the pentagon? still have never shown any plane hitting it...why did the fbi first say the phone calls were from cell phones and then back away and say they were not...? where are the tapes from the conversations on the planes? missing according to fbi...why? you are an idiot.
the fact steel structures have collapsed from fire alone is quite relivent, just because the collapse was different doesnt change the scientific fact steel loses its load bearing ability when heated
I'm sure you're not a structural engineer nor a fireman. So please, refrain from even mentioning fire will make a steel skyscraper collapse. Because in 1945, a B25 bomber struck the Empire State building, and left nothing more but a scar on the wall and a broken floor or two, and charred floors, from the 79th floor down to the 75th floor. Reports, official of course, state the integrity of the building was intact. And yet we still see the Empire State today.
Less complicated structure, less complicated plane, less complicated fuel.
Now with a more advanced structure, we can see there's not much of comparison. BUT, since in those times, it was just steel and concrete, and not even fireproofed, I can pretty much guess fire did not even weaken that steel.
However, WTC7 was brought down by fires, not jet fuel. Because the steel was 'weakened' by fire.
@mattfactsof911 And also, I'm pretty sure that a 767 didn't have a chance to even go past half the WTC towers. We're talking about, to the face of the building, up to 30,000 tons of concrete and steel and aluminum. Mostly steel. 47 core columns in its center, each thick at 42" by 22". We all know most 767's are aluminum, with titanium fuselage and engines, among other parts. Those engines break up easily when hitting anything at all. It wouldn't surprise me it didn't go through past halfway.
@ArcanineKing Still can't get the fact that the core columns failed. According to a NIST report, only 12 or so of the core columns were damaged, maybe two were destroyed. Yet the entire building's core columns, and perimeter columns, managed to get weakened by fire of up to 1400F of fires. 1400 doesn't even weaken steel. Maybe at 2000F it would. But those days, at much temperature wasn't even enough to collapse an entire building in over 1 hour.
@mattfactsof911 Then what happened to the fireproofing of WTC7? Howevermore, Steel doesn't lose 50% of their strength at 1100F until it reaches a certain period. It takes time. Not to mention, the steel used in WTC1 and 2 is high-grade steel that's been designed to withstand up to 2750F of fires. So 1400F? Cakewalk.
Don't forget the 1975 fire on the WTC as well, a fire so hot firefighters described it as the most intense fire ever fought... yet the tower stood. Strange...
steel loses 50% strength at 1100 F , that is a scientific fact
2750 F steel turns to a liquid hahah how much of a load can liquid steel support hahahaha
yeah the fire proofinbg did its job in 1975 it protected the steel, you think foam and gype rock fire proofing can withstand a 300 000 pound plane @ 500 mph, you truthers are laughable
Try burning 47 steel columns, each 42" by 22", as well as the perimeter columns of about the same width. Each stands about two stories tall. That much steel, is dense, there's no hollowness in those steel beams. So, 1100F? Still a cakewalk. I wonder how it even went through the encased concrete... oh right, it blew it off right? So what about the non-effected areas? I'm sure the plane didn't even make it halfway into the buildings. The core is the key.
@mattfactsof911 So whether it is a scientific fact, it is also a scientific fact that the law of conservation of energy was not implemented on that day. For it violated that one law in many ways than one.
Burning buildings don't take 9-13 seconds to collapse. It's a slow process if the steel is weakening its core structures. We'd be seeing the building collapsing slowly, not in seconds. The sagging trusses were buckling, but could collapse without the core columns failing.
@mattfactsof911 yeah like how building 7 wasn't even hit by a plane and fell in 7 seconds! Laughable not! WTC 2, 5, and 6 were struck with debrie top to bottom and they didn't collapse, because they are made of steel! The only way those buildings could have fell that quick is from explosives. And yes those builds were made to withstand the airplanes.
@stephen2152002 -building 7 collapsed because a integral vertical load supporting column failed, column 79, when recreated in a physic simulation the collapse occurs in identical fashion
@mattfactsof911 Integral vertical load supporting column failed? Clever, but doesn't hold water. The buildings wouldn't have collapsed in the path of their greatest resistance (the core). This ONLY happens if all the collumns are cut simultaneously!!! The columns that weren't weakened would have been still standing. These claims are pathetic.
@stephen2152002 There are 1200 artitects and Engineers publicly wanting a new investigation. Last time I checked, those aren't easy to come by; This doesn't include firefighters, and many more that are concerned about losing their jobs.
How many engineers actually are known to be for the offical story? Like 12? lol I don't think anything is wrong with a new investigation, when there are so many concerns. For instance, the explosive residue found, which wasn't initally tested!
@mattfactsof911 90% at 1800? The Jet fuel burnt on impact, and the fires weren't that hot. Scientific fact: The whole building would have to be on fire for your theory to work DA. We know it wasn't. How'd building 7 collapse? How come explosive residue was found? How come WTC 2, 5,6 struck head to toe with debrie didn't collapse. The towers wouldn't have fell with no resist/free fall. Those are facts!
@stephen2152002 typical office fire 1450 F steel loses approx 70 % strength at 1500 F
the whole building would need to be on fire, WRONG only the floor where the initial collapse occurred needed to fail ( wtc 1,2 ) the intact floor bellow did not have the capacity to arrest collapse once the mass from the collapse zone accelerated over the 10 ft of open space its called physics F = mv
@ArcanineKing And also, I'm pretty sure that a 767 didn't have a chance to even go past half the WTC towers
hahah then why when you watch the video of the plane impact debris exits the other side hmm maybe you should re-think your position you have been duped by con artists who care nothing about the truth, just the cash they can make
Tower one did. Why can't you see the debris on THE OTHER SIDE, the OPPOSITE side of Tower one? I didn't see any damage at the back, it's mostly blown out windows and smoke coming out.
Yeah sure, your 'reality' is better than mine. >_>
@mattfactsof911 Not to mention, WTC7 has over 89 columns, 42 perimeter columns and 47 core columns, as well. People always say 'the trusses buckled and caused the building to collapse', but the trusses are hardly the majority of the weight distribution. That's why the perimeter columns and core columns are there for, from the foundation up to the top floor. I wonder, how that building fell simultaneously and fell without the least resistance?
@mattfactsof911 I mean, I've seen buildings collapse. They don't go down all of a sudden. First the mechanical room falls, some support and walls should have fallen, then perhaps the building leaning towards the point of least resistance (I.E. the damaged front and corner on the south side of the building, as per the NIST reports), and thus. But. no... we see it fall symmetrically down without resistance. There were fires on dozens of floors, from the 47 floors.
come on smart guy if steel is impervious to fire why is there manditory fire proofing regulations for structural steel hmm think about that, the answer will reveal the truth
@mattfactsof911 However You Would've needed The Overall Temperature to Be Instantaneously Hot Throughout The ENTIRE Building to Have Caused This Major Collapse...
Think about How Long This Would've Taken had this been the case...
Not IMMEDIATELY Like It Did here...
Look at The Forestal from VietNam wit John McCain narrating...It will show You what Av-Gas can do...Something is Fishy in Denmark!
how many steel buildings have collapsed in history due to fire?
thats what you said stupid not skyscrappers
the very same scientific fact that will cause a 5 story steel building to collapse from fire is the very same scientific fact that can cause a 110 story building to collapse. I have said it before, and I will say it again
Fattfatso911, Will it really? The truth would be VERY nice about now.
WHat high rise steel structures have fallen due to a fire lasting around an hour, or even the same number of hours as WTC7? Oh, you don't mean High rise structures, so you aren't comparing like with like. That's too bad, seemed like you were debunking there for a moment but then you flunked!
Oh, and the fires at the WTC weren't burning hot enough to weaken the steel anyway.
your an idiot it doesnt matter how high the building is the very same principle that can cause a 5 story steel building to collapse is the same as causing a 110 story building to collapse
steel loses its strength when heated
why do they have fire proofing regulations for structural steel if it is impervious to heat, hahah the answer will reveal the truth
@fattfatso911, Most of the fat is between your ears. A large, shed like building, supported by a steel frame is nothing at all like a highrise building. Luckily you have all those architectural and civil engineering qualifications with which to debunk that. CRETIN!
@mattfactsof911 Wasn't the fire at the top of the wtc too? Did the planes blow the fireproofing off from floors 1 to 110? Did the fires weaken the steel at floors 20, 60 or 70 too, or just where the actual fires were? Numerous steel structures collapsed from fire? Only 3 have, and they all collapsed on 9/11/02.
They have fireproofing regulations for household clothes dryers. Point? Don't disregard the point I made either- Partial ROOF collapses do not compare with 110 story buildings crumbling to DUST at near FREEFALL speeds
cant you read fire proofing regulations for structural steel
why have other steel buildings collapsed from just fire
mc cormick place total collapse, kader toy factory total collapse, there were still standing perimeter columns from wtc 1,2 by your definition that makes them partial collapses too
Mc Cormick place was a WAREHOUSE. The ROOF collapsed. Kader Toy Factory:
There were no fire extinguishers, no alarms, no sprinkler systems. The buildings themselves were death traps, constructed from un-insulated steel girders that buckled and gave way in less than 15 minutes. Get something better. FAILED!
Anyone that thinks the government didn't have a hand in this and believe that those buildings collapsed from the planes and jet fuel alone are just pure fucken IDIOTS!!
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tusmorninginsept 4 months ago
what the heck? i saw no plane
sh9683 4 months ago
mental drunk
gaqliveshere 5 months ago
@gaqliveshere yes you are, go back to x games then go back to sleep..... 9/11 didn't happen and the official response of 9/11 by our government includes wt7!
xxxxdarksidexxxx 4 months ago
@xxxxdarksidexxxx wat
gaqliveshere 4 months ago
@gaqliveshere haha! exactly what I was thinking about your comment which caused my comment, funny huh? the irony
xxxxdarksidexxxx 4 months ago
@xxxxdarksidexxxx shut up you weirdo.
gaqliveshere 4 months ago
@gaqliveshere "mental, drunk, wat, shut up, weirdo"..................please stop trying so hard. BTW self projection all the time or only when your not working?
xxxxdarksidexxxx 4 months ago
@xxxxdarksidexxxx erm.. shut up you weirdo.
gaqliveshere 4 months ago
@gaqliveshere You have nothing left after only 5 words ""mental, drunk, wat, shut up, weirdo"? Rinse and repeat?? Do you know what they call people who continually repeat the same behavior (in your case the same use of multitudinous structure words while expecting different responses? Handicapped). Dare I ask how you make money lol!!
xxxxdarksidexxxx 4 months ago
@xxxxdarksidexxxx lol! yeah!
youre still a weirdo tbf.
gaqliveshere 4 months ago
@gaqliveshere i'll be guilty of that when you can get a unanimous decision on how to define normal heh
xxxxdarksidexxxx 4 months ago
@xxxxdarksidexxxx shut up now.
gaqliveshere 4 months ago
@gaqliveshere rinse and repeat your rinse and repeated 'shut up', are you really this boring>??
xxxxdarksidexxxx 4 months ago
I love this guy
alyshooting 5 months ago
3:37 It looks like he thinks Willy Rodriguez die that day!
74pbg 6 months ago
"How is this happening when the plane was up 50 more stories and the stairwell's collapsing on us? Something wasn't right, man.Something else had to go on here, something else was going on here this just don't happen when a plane hits the 80th floor of a building and the lobby gets blown out.Something wasn't right in Denmark that day"--FDNY Battalion chief on 9/11
vipent5 7 months ago
For more about Mr. Schroeder and his incredible stories, see my video:
John Schroeder, FDNY, 9/11 Hero
punxsutawneybarney 8 months ago
@punxsutawneybarney i watched that crap. you're dumb
PinkDivaBBY 5 months ago
Did the gov kill him yet?
maxballot907 8 months ago
false flag attack for sure
science backs up "the conspiracy theories" but nothing backs up the 911 commissions story
and BTW why the fk would you need a commission if this was a real investigation
tokersrule 8 months ago
You people need to ask yourselves some critical questions. If there were bombs placed in the building, what would be the purpose of detonating the bombs in what seems to be random order? This only gives away their hidden presence and serves no tactical purpose. If in fact there were bombs placed in the building you would think they would detonate them stimulatingly with the crash of the air plane. You never see a planned demolition have bombs blow up in some strange random order do you?
bugsta77 10 months ago
@bugsta77 wow. you are soooo naieve and dumb. why even come onto a page where a fucking firemen that was there telling you how this wasnt just a fucking terror attack. this was a false flags attack on their own people. the bush administration, david rockefeller. 9/11 was planned in england years befor 9/11/01. if people who were there, are telling you that their were bombs and shady shit happening and you wont believe it, then what the fuck will you believe. you let the government TELL you. wow
TheMegaghost85 9 months ago
@bugsta77 yea, actually, you do
its called pre-demolition blasts aka pre-demolition prep work
tokersrule 8 months ago
The building bent completely when it was hit before retracting to its original position. You can hear people who were in the tower say this. The bending of the building blew out the windows and marble slabs. Gas lines burst, and fire form the top floors went down the elevator shaft much like the affect of gun powder burning through a barrel of a gun, burning people and causing devastation in the lobby.
bugsta77 10 months ago in playlist PROOF 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB!!
@bugsta77 You must be new here. It's been long established that the towers were gas-less. No gas lines to burst. Everything was electric.
Ahlywog 9 months ago
@bugsta77 If it bent, that means it was doing what it was designed to do, PROTECTING THE BUILDINGS STRUCTURE, the buildings were built with 3 different sections top to bottom so they could move with winds, etc. They were actually designed for an airliner to hit them
tokersrule 8 months ago
@bugsta77 COME ON. That whole "fireball down elevator shaft" thing CAUSING the devastation in the lobby is asisine. I'm not doubting that it didn't happen... after all, this fireman is saying it did. But to think that the "fireball" could destroy the entirety of the WTC lobby the way it did... have you ever been at WTC? It's HUGE... that's simply not possible.
JohnLeeMD 6 months ago
"Something wasn't right in Denmark that day!"
Well fucking put, sir. You are a hero, but more importantly AN HONEST MAN.
shaygahweh 10 months ago
Skynyrd said it best - "Cause there's things goin' on that you don't know."
ole9421 10 months ago
For more perspective on Mr. Schroeder see my video "John Schroeder, FDNY, 9/11 Hero"
punxsutawneybarney 11 months ago
is mr. schroeder still alive? i would be surprised if he is.
TheAngryarchangel 1 year ago
This guy says some amazing things. There should be some way to amass all the key evidence from first hand witnesses into one resource, and make this information available to the general public. That might help to unify public sentiment enough to where a real investigation could be done that might reveal the true perps behind 911. One can only hope.
Barnekkid 1 year ago
@Barnekkid I agree but unfortunately... no one gives a crap anymore. Maybe there will be a blip on 9-11-11 but don't pin any hopes to it.
I recently told a RNC fundraiser that if they wanted $ from me they had to put OBL's head on a pike on the National Mall. Needless to say, they don't call me anymore.
alpha18412 11 months ago
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MopDMTBARTL 1 year ago
Everyone shut up about politics and listen to the man's story
Negative40Films 1 year ago
How about tower number 7. Who demolished that?
senses2000 1 year ago
@senses2000
larry silverstein also owned that building along with the two that went down, he claimed that tower 7 building burned down making it the first skyscraper in history to collapse solely from fire
mythirdretina 8 months ago
Stars and Stripes FOREVER. Thank you for the truth. We win if it sets one more person free, day after day.
EvanesEmperor 1 year ago
@modshroom And what if "the government" as you put it was doing deals with the Bin Ladens? The film Fahrenheit 9/11 raises some very interesting points about oil deals and Saudi finance too. The most interesting possibility was that the terrorists were not Muslim... (Jewish students on upper floors with blueprints & boxes?)
misterbonzai08 1 year ago
@misterbonzai08 The artists on the upper floors were Austrians. Liars like Kevin Barrett try to cause confusion on this point. See, the Israeli spy ring posed as artists, and these guys were artists, so they must have been Mossad.
For more about Barrett see my video "Kevin Barrett Go to your Room"
punxsutawneybarney 1 year ago
@punxsutawneybarney You are correct, they were Austrians and Germans but the FBI had linked them to Mossad not some Australian union leader! Take a look at this 5:19 long video interview with pics: /watch?v=5bn8zEUI9_k
All I want to know is, why were 'artists' on the 90th floor of the WTC with 3 tonnes of boxes, architectural blueprints and later seen jumping for joy/high-fiving on a white van by nearby residents when the Twin Towers collapsed, later deported, giving an interview on Israeli TV!
misterbonzai08 1 year ago
@misterbonzai08 The artists were there because the WTC had a program of giving empty space to artists. Do you have any evidence, other than Jonathan Elinoff's say so in your video, that there was any connection between these artists and the Mossad? Did it never occur to you that Jonathan Elinoff might be disinfo, and might the fact that he couldn't get anybody in the truth movement other than the moronic Kevin Barrett to pay any attention to him not be a clue?
punxsutawneybarney 1 year ago
@punxsutawneybarney How charitable of them! Let's just let some hippies free roaming rights around one of the most expensive bits of real estate on Earth. Construction passes and blueprints of the building? Shift-patterns of guards? Doesn't sound like they were painting pretty pictures.
Israeli agents have been infiltrating government agencies up and down the country "selling art". This needs investigation.
Look at this collapse: watch?v=Xf243Pj0S-Y
misterbonzai08 1 year ago
@misterbonzai08 My understanding is that there was vacant space in the WTC and the managemtent was hoping that some artists would be inspired enough and grateful enough to up the prestige of the address.
Yes,. the Israeli "art student" spy ring needs investigation. But the irresponsible conflation of it with a bunch of Austrian artists makes the truth movement look bad, as does Dr. Barrett's very dishonest work on the subject in "Questioning the War on Terror".
punxsutawneybarney 1 year ago
@misterbonzai08 So I take it you don't have any evidence, other than Jon Elinoff's very airy claims, of any connection between the Austrian artists and the Mossad.
punxsutawneybarney 1 year ago
For perspective on Mr. Schroeder's story, see my video "John Schroeder, FDNY, 9/11 Hero"
punxsutawneybarney 1 year ago
the reason why there were "BOMBS" in the first floor is because muslims planted bombs on the first floor without anyone knowing.
The attack on america that day by osama was not just 2 planes, he had men plant bombs in the tower AND use planes. you fucking idiots think that THE GOVERNMENT PUT BOMBS IN THE TOWER, use your heads for a fucking second.
modshroom 1 year ago
John Schroeder is very nice person. He gave a very clear description of what he saw and heard on that day. He also belives there was a bomb in the lobby and i agree with him.
ThePokemonEntourage 1 year ago
This dude is awesome!!!! You have my respect John Schroeder!!
hisbigal 1 year ago
how can he say this w/o crying
ATLiloveyou 1 year ago
Question.... Why is it there are a LOT of firefighters that tell the same story but we never hear about them? We see firefighters that are believers but guys like this never make the news. I believe every word coming out this guys mouth.
Keyo717 1 year ago
I like how he express the bomb-sounds like.. 0:09 - 0:18
"prreeettt what the hell is bla bla plane bla crash bla bla brruuttt and explode bla bla" lol
papupipope123 1 year ago
Something about his story I dont like
Northeastbaseball 1 year ago
@Northeastbaseball - what, pray tell?
rangumai 1 year ago
WTC: THE TOMB OF THE NY FIREFIGHTERS.
DID NOT THEY had IDEA ABOUT WHAT WERE DOING?
DID NOT THEY had CONCEPT ABOUT WHAT WERE DOING?
DID NOT THEY had KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT WERE DOING?
DID NOT THEY HAD KNOWLEDGE TO EVALUATE THE SITUATION?
...THEY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT: "EFFECT PANCAKES".
..."WTC: THE TOMB OF THE NY FIREFIGHTERS".
WawsestilL 1 year ago
This guy is a hero and a legend!
animajay 1 year ago
This geezer has my utmost respect. What a true hero and judging by this, a decent bloke
kamelion7 1 year ago 2
you all need to hear the testimony of William Rodriguez, there was NO DOUBT, there were bombs in the towers, and William, also said, there were explosion in the basement, I believe this fire-fighter, he has gained NOTHING telling the truth.........but the government as gained EVERYTHING buy lying, common sense will tell you the truth................not science
bushkilledtowers 1 year ago
"Something wasn't right in Denmark that day."
IntergalacticDouche 1 year ago
@IntergalacticDouche I mean them Windows were Like Thick as Forget It!
I Love This Guy!
Now...Seriously My X-Hubby is LA Certified Structural Steel Fitter/Welder...The Best In The World...EarthQuake Trained...
And He Even Says that There Had to Be Carefully Placed Charges Placed throughout These Buildings to drop em like that.
And The Exploded Lobby?
And The Secondary Blast coming from down the street during All of This?
What's Up Wit Dat?
Come on Folks...Question The Authorities!
funkateerkitty 1 year ago
@IntergalacticDouche Yep
rkoguy 1 year ago
For more on Mr. Schroeder's story, see my video "John Schroeder, FDNY, 9/11 Hero"
punxsutawneybarney 1 year ago
He was there, not me, not you. Can you spare 10 minutes for a 911 firefighter who's trying to get you to listen to him?
dsgrntldbass 1 year ago
if only 12 engineers support the official story why does the ASCE support the official story 150 000 civil engineers
how come the only peer reviewed papers about the collapse support the official story
how come lessons learned from the collapse are tought in engineering schools all over the world
why have numerous steel structures collapsed from fire alone
why does leslie robertson support the official story
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 u can't support the official 'theory' after hearing this story man!
u saying that ALL the first responders & eye witnesses are absolutely wrong & some bull that a politicial official made up is right? nist was not scientific- its political
swu880 1 year ago
This man isn't lying! Jet fuel at the top of the building, which burnt up on impact, wouldn't have made the lobby explode! Common sense 101.
stephen2152002 1 year ago
@stephen2152002 sorry to tell you jet fuel travel down elevator shafts to the basement, willy rodreguez testefied so, are you calling him a liar
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 Yes the fuel travelled down the elevator...This I believe, but not way across the Lobby...
And Remember He said "It looked like a Bomb Just went off, not Like a Fire..."
So He is Stating it Simply...
It wasn't Charred from Fire...
He Should KNOW When He Sees Fire Damage & He says he didn't see no fire damage...
Are You Callin Him a Liar?
funkateerkitty 1 year ago 2
@mattfactsof911
@mattf.........were in his testimony did Willy Rod say that, I have heard his testimony many times, I have also recommend it to friends, I sat there and watched it with them, and after viewing every single one of them are now truther.....................tell me where in his testimony he said that please................................and it looks like your getting your ass kicked on this site, Mate................you need to call for some back up
bushkilledtowers 1 year ago
well when the whole muslim world knows that it was al qaeda that attacked us for a few con artists to claim it was an inside job based on false information is rather fallacious
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
now that i have to agree ,our foreign policy is not right, and I definetly think theres wayto many distractions! the problem is there are too many things that dont add up! theres nothing wrong with asking questions and trying to learn more, but just going with what your told is not always a good idea!!
arlichar11 1 year ago
if fire on top floors could bring down buildings, there would be no such thing as demolition teams, as this would be alot cheaper to simpl;y set building on fire and let it fall.....!
arlichar11 1 year ago
@arlichar11
you are such an idiot they CD building so they dont destroy other buildings
not the case with the wtc 1,2 as they destroyed or severly damaged wtc ,4,5,6,7
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 if your so confident and happy with our country, why do you bother arguing with idiots like me?? you must have made and living easy in the wolfschanze and don't want us simple folk to be aware of our impending doom!!
arlichar11 1 year ago
@arlichar11 I am happy with our counrty, what I dont like is people lying about what really happened on 911
muslim radicals attacked us because of our foreign policy, lying only takes the aim away from real issues
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
the fact that muslim radicals killed innocent civilians is sad, the fact that 911 truthers lie about the events to profit of merchandise, videos and web sites that distribute false information, quotes out of context and make out right fallacious claims is not sad, it is sickening
what is more disturbing is the fact people believe this crap with out even fact checking these claims
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
This is a message to all those watching this video in an attempt to understand the truth. You need to ask yourself a simple question.
What kind of people watch and then make comments on a video like this? Answer Those seeking the truth and those being paid to promote the lie.
Be wary of those who spend unusual amounts of time and energy on here both attacking and defending the official story, its not normal behavior.
It is my belief that some of these comment threads are scripted.
ole9421 1 year ago
NO planes were used
watch
911 TABOO
THEORY OF GHOSTPLANE
SEPTEMBER CLUES
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
Interesting comment on the 'Body in the closet' at 3:12 Hmmm, I wonder who that was? John Oniell?
moh2o 2 years ago
the fact there is corruption in free society does not change the fact radical muslims attacked us, and lying about it to make money is sick
Maybe start with the right question
Why did bin laden attack us? look up the 92 ( i think) interview
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
the fact that muslim radicals killed innocent civilians is sad, the fact that 911 truthers lie about the events to profit of merchandise, videos and web sites that distribute false information, quotes out of context and make out right fallacious claims is not sad, it is sickening
what is more disturbing is the fact people believe this crap with out even fact checking these claims
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
I've seen the FACTS first hand. The facts are there were explosives used to demolish the WTC
ae911truth(dot)org 3rd peer reviewed and published scientific paper (Bentham) It on the site. I have seen no FACTS relating to these explosives being set by radical Muslim extremists. That is the fairytale. What is sick is your ignorance, either intentional or otherwise.
MrRiceowlex 2 years ago
if you think the pay to publish Betham open is peer revewed I have some ocean front in alberta canada sell you real cheap
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@MrRiceowlex
watch
911 PASSENGERS FICTITIOUS
LifeRegenRevolution 1 year ago
Dont forget that the WTC were designed to with stand the impact from a 707. Sure its a different plan, but many aspects are the same. Plus the 707 has a higher cruise speed which is going to give them much the same momentum.
apc467 2 years ago
well the towers did withstand the impact didnt they, they stood for a hour after impact
leslie robertson also never took into account the fire from such impact
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
@mattfactsof911 well actually 30 mins or so. Yea funny that... you can see people waving for help from the huge impact holes the plane left.. Now how can a fire burn at such a high temperature to bring down a sky scraper, but yet people can survive so close to it? We can also see people a few floors above the fire. Doesnt it seem odd that steel melts and people can simply walk above it?
apc467 2 years ago
funny how people would jump to there death if there was no fire
40 000 sq ft per floor and you think every sq ft was covererd by fire
do you claim 50 000 L of fuel doesnt start a fire hahahahahaha
and the STEEL DID NOT MELT
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
@mattfactsof911 no that is not what im claimming at all. You can see the fireball cant you? you can see smoke coming out of the holes/windows cant you? Im claimming that the fire can not be as hot as it is said to be.
apc467 2 years ago
@apc467
typical office fire is 1450 F enough to make steel lose approx. 75 % of its load bearing ability, thats why structural steel has fire proofing regulations
are you claiming the fires in the wtc were magic and burnt cooler than a normal office fire
how come other steel structures have collapsed from fire alone
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
@mattfactsof911 name 2 skyscrapers that have fallen which have caused another building to fall because of fire. Remember the Windosr tower in spain? burnt for 18 hours, it was still standing
apc467 2 years ago
@apc467 funny how the madrid tower collapsed top 15 floors hmm must be that bush nano thermite again
could you name for me any other building hit by a 300 000 pound plane at 500 mph
or maybe any other building hit by the collapse of a 110 story skyscraper
hmm I think not but I can name numerous steel structures that have collapsed from fire alone, kader, McCormick
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
57000 gallons of jet fuel burning at over 2000 deg. is why it melted steal in this case and other high rise fires are not the same. 57000 GALLONS bud look it up you have the internet. have you ever seen 1 gallon of jet fuel burn? 57000 gallons
dnahulvey 2 years ago
Hahahahahahaha, sorry dnahulvey but that last post of yours is utter drivel, the planes were estimated to be carrying about 10,000 gals of fuel each, NOT 57,000! FFS! In any case, most of the fuel went up in the initial fireball and the rest burned off in the first ten minutes, after that it was just an office fire that was burning cooler and cooler. A woman with an IR camera took an image showing very cool fires burning, not a raging inferno. Think before you type!
StephenMaturinMD 2 years ago
@dnahulvey Sorry but you're way off here. There were approx. 10,000 gallons of fuel on the planes and jet fuel burns at roughly 1300 degrees.
rubeeye127 2 years ago
It was a priviledge to listen to this genuine, salt-of-the -earth man open his soul on video and tell so many painful details of that day. God bless him and all his comrades. I salute them and grieve for their losses. Watching these interviews and seeing tough, strong men reduced to tears is extremely moving and brings home why we are fighting this fight for truth, it is to get to the bottom of the strange events of 911.
All the best to Mr. Schroeder and the others involved.
StephenMaturinMD 2 years ago
where are the tapes from the conversations on the planes
you do repeat shit dont you , here something loser change wont tell you, up to 4 family members of each victim on flight 93 were flown to the FBI and played the CVR from flight 93
what now fck tard
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
Google "9/11 Cancers"
WTCnucleardemolition 2 years ago
More people should watch this video.
Something fishy went on that day, for sure.
If only we could find out who did what and why...
People don't just commit suicide in a closet for no reason.
MusicalAthlete0 2 years ago
Show me a video of thermite making an angled or horizontal cut
Denierbud11 2 years ago
@Denierbud11
watch?v=lRMG2HSMozA
Horizontal thermite cut
rubeeye127 2 years ago
@rubeeye127
You have to be shitting me
that was a one inch beam and the devise was large in comparison to the bean
Do you think they could install those in an occupied building?
LOL
Denierbud11 2 years ago
@Denierbud11
Just shows that it is possible
rubeeye127 2 years ago
Its also possible to cut the beams with a welding torch -- its not practical
just as the mechanism you show is not practical
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Denierbud11,
I deal with facts not what conspiracy theories that are told daily on mass media.
were bombs found in the buildings in okc?
cotullaguy 2 years ago
"were bombs found in the buildings in okc"
Sure as hell none were found in NY
Denierbud11 2 years ago
hey moron, I asked you to answer me..were bombs found in the bulldings at okc? you are going and doing research and then answering and you know the answer...if there were bombs wired in the buildings of okc, how did McVeigh get them there when that was the fbi building?
cotullaguy 2 years ago
This is a discussion about the WTC idiot - one topic at a time and one conspiracy at a time.
Denierbud11 2 years ago
denier,
no idiot...they are not separate if our govt has done this before...did they have bombs in the building in OKC? if so, who could have put them there when the FBI is housed there?
cotullaguy 2 years ago
So in your world, you use one unproven event to prove another unproven event
wow
Denierbud11 2 years ago
Denierbud11,
not what I asked you. I asked you a simple yes/no for the 3rd or 4th time. Were bombs found in the OKC bombing building?
if you answer this correctly, you will make yourself out to be an ass. if you answer incorrectly, you prove my point that you are just a shill.
cotullaguy 2 years ago
OKC has nothing to do with the WTC
Did the NYFD issue a statement that WTC 7 was going to collapse?
Denierbud11 2 years ago
I do not know if nypd issued a statement...i do know it was brought down by controlled demolition and was announced it was coming down prior to being pulled..even Silverstein said they "pulled" it.
okc is important as it shows a pattern of the perps. you seem to not care about the americans that have been killed in these false flag events..I do care about them...you are the type of Moron the perps count on to get away this these crimes.
cotullaguy 2 years ago
" do not know if nFpd issued a statement"
Do you think you should perhaps research this question before drawing conclusions?
Denierbud11 2 years ago
that is irrelevant...bombs were planted in the buildings just like okc. you will never buy it as you are living in denial. thermite was used. no steel buildings in history had ever collapsed in history due to fire...you do not understand how metal works. it has to be made hot enough to break...it was not...the official story is a complete lie. NIST had to change their findings many times due to be hounded by real scientists. under lab had to fire Kevin Ryan due to their coverup...
cotullaguy 2 years ago
"that is irrelevant"
No it is not irrelevant -- the one authority in NY that is capable of handling and opining on a building fire is the NYFD
They are the experts
Now, go and research what the NYFD did on 911 as it pertains to the third tower
"you do not understand how metal works"
LOL
And you do not know how thermite works
Denierbud11 2 years ago
"no steel buildings in history had ever collapsed in history due to fire"
sorry buddy maybe you should fact check loserchange's claims, numerous steel buildings have collapsed from fire alone
the answer to this question will reveal the truth
why do they have fire proofing regulations for structural steel?
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
"you do not understand how metal works. it has to be made hot enough to break"
you obviously have no knowledge on how steel reacts to heat
steel loses 50 % strength at 1100 F
steel loses 90 % strength at 1800 F
typical office fire 1450 F
steel melts at 2750 F
these are all FACTS for you, do some honest research
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
so, why didn't the steel skyscraper in madrid that burned entirely for 20 hours in 2005 fall?
cotullaguy 2 years ago 5
for one the fire was at the top of the building therefor it did not have too support the weight of 10 -20 floors and it partially collapse, was there dick cheney nano thermite there too
and different construction, the fire proofing was not blown of by a 300000 pound plane
why have numerous steel structures collapsed from fire, were they inside jobs too
why do they have fire proofing regulations for structural steel if steel is impervious to fire?
the answer will reveal the truth
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
how many steel buildings have collapsed in history due to fire? your answer will reveal the truth?
cotullaguy 2 years ago 3
MCormick place for one, kader toy factory
there are others, do some research
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
mattfactsof911,
you are a moron...I said collapsed...mccormick place was a roof collapse and not total collapse...it was not a high rise either...keep fishing...give me another steel high rise in history that fell due to fire???
cotullaguy 2 years ago 5
the pricliple that causes a small steel building to collapse is the same as a skyscrapper
when steel is heated it loses its ability to support a load
fact steel loses 50 % strength at 1100 F and 90 % at 1800 F, typical office fire 1450F
what about kader to factory, and why did McCormick place collapse? hmm dick cheney palnt bombs there too
why do they have fire proofing regulations for structural steel if it is impervious to fire as retard truthers would like to think?
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
Matt,
is that all you have got? why did fema arrive the day before in nyc? where are the tapes of the passengers boarding any of the 4 flights? missing according to the fbi...where are the 80 videos missing from the pentagon? still have never shown any plane hitting it...why did the fbi first say the phone calls were from cell phones and then back away and say they were not...? where are the tapes from the conversations on the planes? missing according to fbi...why? you are an idiot.
cotullaguy 2 years ago 2
@FatSoFat911, FOR F*CK SAKE YOU MORON, THE WORD IS 'SKYSCRAPER', (and this guy expects to be taken seriously.....SHEESH!)
StephenMaturinMD 2 years ago
@cotullaguy
the fact steel structures have collapsed from fire alone is quite relivent, just because the collapse was different doesnt change the scientific fact steel loses its load bearing ability when heated
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 Matt.
I'm sure you're not a structural engineer nor a fireman. So please, refrain from even mentioning fire will make a steel skyscraper collapse. Because in 1945, a B25 bomber struck the Empire State building, and left nothing more but a scar on the wall and a broken floor or two, and charred floors, from the 79th floor down to the 75th floor. Reports, official of course, state the integrity of the building was intact. And yet we still see the Empire State today.
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@ArcanineKing hahaha your comparing the damaga caused by a slow flying b25 to the damage caused by a 767 @ 500 mph hour
F= ma you do the math
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@ArcanineKing
B25 cruise speed 230 mph, wing span 67 ft 6 in, max take of weight 33 510 pounds
767 cruise speed 530 mph, wing span 156 ft 1 in, loaded weight 315 000 pounds
now compare if you dare fallacious twoofers
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 Oh okay.
Let's see.
Less complicated structure, less complicated plane, less complicated fuel.
Now with a more advanced structure, we can see there's not much of comparison. BUT, since in those times, it was just steel and concrete, and not even fireproofed, I can pretty much guess fire did not even weaken that steel.
However, WTC7 was brought down by fires, not jet fuel. Because the steel was 'weakened' by fire.
Do that math.
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 And also, I'm pretty sure that a 767 didn't have a chance to even go past half the WTC towers. We're talking about, to the face of the building, up to 30,000 tons of concrete and steel and aluminum. Mostly steel. 47 core columns in its center, each thick at 42" by 22". We all know most 767's are aluminum, with titanium fuselage and engines, among other parts. Those engines break up easily when hitting anything at all. It wouldn't surprise me it didn't go through past halfway.
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@ArcanineKing Still can't get the fact that the core columns failed. According to a NIST report, only 12 or so of the core columns were damaged, maybe two were destroyed. Yet the entire building's core columns, and perimeter columns, managed to get weakened by fire of up to 1400F of fires. 1400 doesn't even weaken steel. Maybe at 2000F it would. But those days, at much temperature wasn't even enough to collapse an entire building in over 1 hour.
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@ArcanineKing managed to get weakened by fire of up to 1400F of fires. 1400 doesn't even weaken steel. Maybe at 2000F "
steel loses 50 % strength at 1100 F and 90 % at 1800 F these are scientific facts
why do you think they have fire proofing regulations for structural steel hmm 911 coincidence I think
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 Then what happened to the fireproofing of WTC7? Howevermore, Steel doesn't lose 50% of their strength at 1100F until it reaches a certain period. It takes time. Not to mention, the steel used in WTC1 and 2 is high-grade steel that's been designed to withstand up to 2750F of fires. So 1400F? Cakewalk.
Don't forget the 1975 fire on the WTC as well, a fire so hot firefighters described it as the most intense fire ever fought... yet the tower stood. Strange...
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@ArcanineKing now you are a proven liar
steel loses 50% strength at 1100 F , that is a scientific fact
2750 F steel turns to a liquid hahah how much of a load can liquid steel support hahahaha
yeah the fire proofinbg did its job in 1975 it protected the steel, you think foam and gype rock fire proofing can withstand a 300 000 pound plane @ 500 mph, you truthers are laughable
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 I am a proven liar? Ha.
Try burning 47 steel columns, each 42" by 22", as well as the perimeter columns of about the same width. Each stands about two stories tall. That much steel, is dense, there's no hollowness in those steel beams. So, 1100F? Still a cakewalk. I wonder how it even went through the encased concrete... oh right, it blew it off right? So what about the non-effected areas? I'm sure the plane didn't even make it halfway into the buildings. The core is the key.
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 So whether it is a scientific fact, it is also a scientific fact that the law of conservation of energy was not implemented on that day. For it violated that one law in many ways than one.
Burning buildings don't take 9-13 seconds to collapse. It's a slow process if the steel is weakening its core structures. We'd be seeing the building collapsing slowly, not in seconds. The sagging trusses were buckling, but could collapse without the core columns failing.
Lrn2Engineering.
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 yeah like how building 7 wasn't even hit by a plane and fell in 7 seconds! Laughable not! WTC 2, 5, and 6 were struck with debrie top to bottom and they didn't collapse, because they are made of steel! The only way those buildings could have fell that quick is from explosives. And yes those builds were made to withstand the airplanes.
stephen2152002 1 year ago
@stephen2152002 -building 7 collapsed because a integral vertical load supporting column failed, column 79, when recreated in a physic simulation the collapse occurs in identical fashion
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 Integral vertical load supporting column failed? Clever, but doesn't hold water. The buildings wouldn't have collapsed in the path of their greatest resistance (the core). This ONLY happens if all the collumns are cut simultaneously!!! The columns that weren't weakened would have been still standing. These claims are pathetic.
stephen2152002 1 year ago
@stephen2152002 There are 1200 artitects and Engineers publicly wanting a new investigation. Last time I checked, those aren't easy to come by; This doesn't include firefighters, and many more that are concerned about losing their jobs.
How many engineers actually are known to be for the offical story? Like 12? lol I don't think anything is wrong with a new investigation, when there are so many concerns. For instance, the explosive residue found, which wasn't initally tested!
stephen2152002 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 90% at 1800? The Jet fuel burnt on impact, and the fires weren't that hot. Scientific fact: The whole building would have to be on fire for your theory to work DA. We know it wasn't. How'd building 7 collapse? How come explosive residue was found? How come WTC 2, 5,6 struck head to toe with debrie didn't collapse. The towers wouldn't have fell with no resist/free fall. Those are facts!
stephen2152002 1 year ago
@stephen2152002 typical office fire 1450 F steel loses approx 70 % strength at 1500 F
the whole building would need to be on fire, WRONG only the floor where the initial collapse occurred needed to fail ( wtc 1,2 ) the intact floor bellow did not have the capacity to arrest collapse once the mass from the collapse zone accelerated over the 10 ft of open space its called physics F = mv
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@ArcanineKing And also, I'm pretty sure that a 767 didn't have a chance to even go past half the WTC towers
hahah then why when you watch the video of the plane impact debris exits the other side hmm maybe you should re-think your position you have been duped by con artists who care nothing about the truth, just the cash they can make
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 Tower Two didn't get hit at its center.
Tower one did. Why can't you see the debris on THE OTHER SIDE, the OPPOSITE side of Tower one? I didn't see any damage at the back, it's mostly blown out windows and smoke coming out.
Yeah sure, your 'reality' is better than mine. >_>
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 Not to mention, WTC7 has over 89 columns, 42 perimeter columns and 47 core columns, as well. People always say 'the trusses buckled and caused the building to collapse', but the trusses are hardly the majority of the weight distribution. That's why the perimeter columns and core columns are there for, from the foundation up to the top floor. I wonder, how that building fell simultaneously and fell without the least resistance?
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 I mean, I've seen buildings collapse. They don't go down all of a sudden. First the mechanical room falls, some support and walls should have fallen, then perhaps the building leaning towards the point of least resistance (I.E. the damaged front and corner on the south side of the building, as per the NIST reports), and thus. But. no... we see it fall symmetrically down without resistance. There were fires on dozens of floors, from the 47 floors.
Do that math.
ArcanineKing 1 year ago
@cotullaguy
come on smart guy if steel is impervious to fire why is there manditory fire proofing regulations for structural steel hmm think about that, the answer will reveal the truth
just another mindless truther
mattfactsof911 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 However You Would've needed The Overall Temperature to Be Instantaneously Hot Throughout The ENTIRE Building to Have Caused This Major Collapse...
Think about How Long This Would've Taken had this been the case...
Not IMMEDIATELY Like It Did here...
Look at The Forestal from VietNam wit John McCain narrating...It will show You what Av-Gas can do...Something is Fishy in Denmark!
funkateerkitty 1 year ago
@mattfactsof911 LOL! Partial ROOF collapses do not compare with 110 story buildings crumbling to DUST at near FREEFALL speeds!
rubeeye127 2 years ago
matt,
name the steel skyscrapers that have collapsed from office fires.
cotullaguy 2 years ago 2
how many steel buildings have collapsed in history due to fire?
thats what you said stupid not skyscrappers
the very same scientific fact that will cause a 5 story steel building to collapse from fire is the very same scientific fact that can cause a 110 story building to collapse. I have said it before, and I will say it again
steel loses 50 % strength at 1100 F
steel loses 90 % strength at 1800 F
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
Fattfatso911, Will it really? The truth would be VERY nice about now.
WHat high rise steel structures have fallen due to a fire lasting around an hour, or even the same number of hours as WTC7? Oh, you don't mean High rise structures, so you aren't comparing like with like. That's too bad, seemed like you were debunking there for a moment but then you flunked!
Oh, and the fires at the WTC weren't burning hot enough to weaken the steel anyway.
StephenMaturinMD 2 years ago
your an idiot it doesnt matter how high the building is the very same principle that can cause a 5 story steel building to collapse is the same as causing a 110 story building to collapse
steel loses its strength when heated
why do they have fire proofing regulations for structural steel if it is impervious to heat, hahah the answer will reveal the truth
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
@fattfatso911, Most of the fat is between your ears. A large, shed like building, supported by a steel frame is nothing at all like a highrise building. Luckily you have all those architectural and civil engineering qualifications with which to debunk that. CRETIN!
StephenMaturinMD 2 years ago
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whats wrong pussy cant answer the question
why do they have fire proofing regulations for structural steel if it is impervious to heat, hahah the answer will reveal the truth
and skyscrapers the steel supports more of a load the higher the building making them more susceptible to collapse from weakened steel
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
@mattfactsof911 Wasn't the fire at the top of the wtc too? Did the planes blow the fireproofing off from floors 1 to 110? Did the fires weaken the steel at floors 20, 60 or 70 too, or just where the actual fires were? Numerous steel structures collapsed from fire? Only 3 have, and they all collapsed on 9/11/02.
rubeeye127 2 years ago
sorry kader toy factory,, mc Cormick place and other steel structures have collapse
why do they have fire proofing regulations for structural steel?
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
@mattfactsof911
They have fireproofing regulations for household clothes dryers. Point? Don't disregard the point I made either- Partial ROOF collapses do not compare with 110 story buildings crumbling to DUST at near FREEFALL speeds
rubeeye127 2 years ago
cant you read fire proofing regulations for structural steel
why have other steel buildings collapsed from just fire
mc cormick place total collapse, kader toy factory total collapse, there were still standing perimeter columns from wtc 1,2 by your definition that makes them partial collapses too
mattfactsof911 2 years ago
@mattfactsof911
Mc Cormick place was a WAREHOUSE. The ROOF collapsed. Kader Toy Factory:
There were no fire extinguishers, no alarms, no sprinkler systems. The buildings themselves were death traps, constructed from un-insulated steel girders that buckled and gave way in less than 15 minutes. Get something better. FAILED!
rubeeye127 2 years ago 2
weird so unprotected steel loses its strength and collapse from fire alone
just for your information wtc 1,2 had spray on foam fire protection hmm I guess it must have survived a 300 000 P plane hitting it at 500 mph
mattfactsof911 2 years ago