@memyselfandeye3 hahahahaha I'd seriously _e ashamed to defend this psychopathic murderer. The la_el "conartist" reaks from his stench when you just watch footage of him. Scientologists have lost their elements
For the benefit of anyone except memy reading this: There are plenty of vids up on youtube quite similar to this one. Go look for them, as in at least one I do know they tell you in the description exactly which year/edition the text was changed so as to remove 'nor a religion'.
Get your own facts straight before you accuse someone else. What are YOUR crimes?
@memyselfandeye3 thats because after a certain edition i forget which year, IT WAS REMOVED!! Get your fact straight! Miscavige alters the tech you are PTS to RTC... Get out of your criminal Org...
The current "Church" of Scientology corporate organizations are no longer are in the "business" of delivering increased spiritual awareness (as was occurring back in the '50s, '60s and '70s when it was an applied religious philosophy).
No. Today, the "Church" of Scientology says it's a "religion" and it's in the real estate business.
Sad. Another case of betrayal against Man in his search for Truth on the potentialities of the immortal spiritual being.
Some of the most effective ways to show the COS for what it is are to quote LRH directly (and show from what source) as well as record the behaviour of OSA and the OT members. DM speeches are pretty revealing, too.
I don't get it. I looked at p251 in "Creation of Human Ability" and it doesn't have that quote you say it does in 1:19 of this video. Could it be that it was taken out when the basics came out and altered?
"It doesn't give me displeasure to hear of a virgin being raped. The lot of women is to be fornicated." --- Lafayette R. Hubbard Affirmations 1947.
AND:
"Society begins its sharpest decline at the instant when women begin to take part, on an equal footing with men, in political and business affairs; since this means that the men are decadent and the women are no longer women." --- Lafayette R. Hubbard (Scientology madman), page 20, The Second Dynamic
Bigot.Drug Addict.Psychotic.Fascist. And there's Tom Cruise in his award ceremony with his lips fully engorged around LRH's dead phallus extolling his virtues. The time of $scientology has ended, the time of Anonymous has begun. March 15.
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oh fuck off anonymous, i dont like scientology i hink its retarded but to have some nerdy group made against them is just the geekiest thing ive ever seen, some guy in my school is in ur little club and hes the most unpopular person in the whole fucking school and if u all accept him then u all r neeks 2
the mere coincidence that a "nerd" at your "school" is an anonymous doesn't necessitate an insult towards the entire group. your little faith isnt so smart either... for instance do you think that your friend God created every single chemical structure in the universe, combined them with fusion and other methods, and created life on this little planet ALONE in 7 DAYS?... makes a whole lotta sense... to a Christian.
ok i understand how i was stereotyping based on one guy i just htink its a little bit sad thats all and this "anonymous" is just as bad as scientology in my opinion. and yes i think God made the universe but not in 7 days. i believe the only Christians who believe the Bible word for word and that it is all 100% true is Evangelists, Catholics believe that the stories in the Bible simply symbolise morals etc, i believe in the teleological and cosmological arguments when it comes to creation
anonymous does not sell salvation-false salvation- to its "followers" (who in reality are not following but participating with their own intentions at hand) and then consciously stifle their control over their primary funds and ultimately their entire psyche. Scientology does. Scientology is not a religion, but merely cloaks itself as one.
The "Church" of Sci. is nonprof. but the highest organization- Int. Asoc. of Scientologists iS FOR PROFIT ONLY. SCAM
what i mean is that the highest controlling body of Scientology is only concerned with the money made by the non-profit orgs(churches).
Look into this controversy and don't hold the same positive bias that you would if someone was attacking a religion such as catholicism. meaning, you shouldn't assume that just because Scientology is tax exempt does not mean it is a religion in the proper sense of the word.
the fact is that anonymous is not similar to scientology in the ways that count. XENU
Fucking moronic faggits who believe in this shit.. have nothing better to do.. THERES PROOF THAT THIS HOLE SCIENTOLOGY SHIT IS BULL SHIT... how? Lisa Mcpherson.. bought all the reccomandations to stayed healthy.. but what happend is she died of a DISEASE .. ironic huh?
How did she die of a disease? i saw a picture of her after she died and she was burned badly...idk if that was the cause of death, but...l. ron was evil.
Basically Jh21193... what happens is scientology offers you stages of clearness, the farther u go.. the better it gets, so you cant get diseases (you cant die from them) and you have like powers, she did all the stages.... and she ended up with a disease.. i dont know which one, i think it was cancer.
indeed, moronic. however, she did not die of a disease. Although controversial, the events that took place while she was isolated in their Clearwater base for 17 days are thought to be the reason she died. she was a malnourished, dehydrated, bite-ridden corpse by the time scientology got her to a hospital.
There is evidence of a pulmonary embolism, but it most likely was not caused by the minor car accident she had been in prior to the 17 days.
The embolism was allowed to devolop due to sci. IR.
Pulmonary Embolism is not linked to any type of motor vehicle accident, its linked to long periods of time in the same position, that sets blood to clotting because of stasis, moving from veins to the heart and lungs getting lodged in small pulmonary ateries. She most likely died from a combination of dehydration and long periods of time on bed or on the floor, causing pulmonary thromboembolism.
If you believe scientology, you deserve to be in scientology, let the saps lose their money and dignity and individualism, weirdos. They better not come knocking at my door with any pamphlets or something. That fucking cult will taste a bit of my AR-15.
Hunting down and and discrediting critics. And also lining the pockets of officials at the very top of the organization. You don't think the grunts see a dime of that, do you? They're practically living in squaller if they're not at the org.
God Bless Tom Cruise , He has done more to hurt Scientology than anyone else could. Thank You Scientologists for picking Him as your Poster Boy. Instead of your plan for him to HELP your cause , it has HURT it more than you can Imagine. Because of his celebrity ,Tom has brought more public information of this INSANE CULT to the people of the World. ( I don't think your plan for Tom worked out the way you thought it would )
If Tom Cruise is a true believer he should volunteer to expose himself to a lethal dosage of radiation and then demonstrate a Scientology based cure. If he lives, I'll sign up too.
What a crazy bastard. honestly, what kind of idiot would devote their life (and money!) to this religion. there are plenty of ways you can improve your life on your own, with out joining a crazy made up cult.
I just don't understand how this is tollerated. The fact that anyone who questions this church is a criminal hiding what they have done is crazy. But I got shit to hide so i'm not saying anything. :) hahahahahahaha
No wonder the Nut hates Sychologists , He is clearly NUTS. I'm also sorry to say, ( and I'm as Liberal as the next guy ) , so is all the followers of Scientology. A lot of them seem to have some deep psychosis ,and they feel this "Religion" gives them some solace.
"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them."
the only thing that is said in that video is WAR WAR WAR! it reflects the time and the enemys thinking! THE WAR IS ONE IN THE MIND BEFORE THE ACTUAL BATTLE!
I love the fact that scientologists accuse anyone who dares doubt their all powerful "religion" as being bigots then hounds any critics down with law suits and harassment!
It's weird how they become so totally brainwashed they lose any critical thought about their organisation, then, they lose any sense of humour and imagination, then they lose a few hundred thousand dollars, then they lose their dignity!
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No one can STAND something can helps others...remember--noone is forced to be or continue in Scientology. Oh, and you might complain to the US Justice Department and the Supreme Court if you don't like it being declared a religion. Facts are facts, those who want to say it is other that what it is is, are in disagreement with multiple (not just the US Gov't Court's) take on this. Pity. End your crusades of bigotry and let Scientology keep on working.
Absolutely splendid lack of a sense of humour there.....thats probably why you just can't see that Uncle Ron was just takin the mickey and earning a fast buck!!!!
And you are saying that I "assume" that you were not able to present EVIDENCE of your accusations??? Forgive "ME", I "obviously missed". And WHERE is it exactly??? ;)
Is THAT what you mean??? If it is "correct" for "others", it MUST be correct for you too, right??? And another thing STATEN that you are "informed" is NOT, BEEN informed. If you HAVE so much information SHOW IT, but be AWARE that to REPEAT what others say, doesn't mean that info is a "fact".
That's what your senses make you perceive. I'm funny, or serious, or whatever the situation requires me to be. This particular situation isn't "funny". You were arguing with me, I questioned you, and you were not able respond, so you found "funny" to escape the confrontation. Now THAT could be considered "funny". And the fact that you "can't resist", shows you have no control over your actions/attitude
Talk about some of the things L Ron said. "Scientology is the only cure for radiation burns","Scientology is not a religion","The trouble with China is there are too many chinks here","Don't break you back scrubbing the floor. Get yourself a nigger". They are some pretty powerful words from your leader, care to comment?
WHICH part of the video he says that about radiation? Scientology is NOT a religion, that's correct; what's the problem? WHERE he says that about "nigger"? WHO told YOU he's "my leader"?
I am not a religious bigot. I have no problem with people worshipping their chosen deity. I do however have issues with cults that prey on the minds of simple people, cults that drain all monies form their memebers and cults that hide information from their members until they have paid a fee. Selling salvation to the highest bidder is wrong.
Scn member don't worship ANY "deity", or person, that's just misinformation. The rest is like you said. YOUR problem, which as I can see is not only based in PARTIAL info. but taken from ANY "source".
Your circular arguments are quite pathetic, you will not talk about the content of the video, instead you attack what I have written about me not having a problem with people worshipping who or whatever they wish. My problem is the corupt nature of the CoS and the way it costs a small fortune to progress though the ranks to salvation. Selling salvation to the highest bidder is wrong.
I am watching the video. And can already forward the first add about "creating a religion to make money", is just that, AN ADD, that's DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING. Regarding you problem with CoS, "corruption" has to be PROVEN to b considered A FACT. If it's too expensive 4 u, don't pay 4 it. Regarding "selling", WHY is it wrong? Should they give it to you for free? WHY? Do they OWE YOU SOMETHING?
Selling salvation is WRONG!!!! Name another religion that says, pay me this money or go to hell. I don't expect an answer to this question, as there is no other religion that extorts money from their members with the threat of damnation, other Than $cientology. How the hell is the CoS going to clear the planet if only those who can pay for it are to be clear? What will happen to the poor people in the grand scheme of the CoS?
Scn IS NOT A RELIGION, I thought you got that clear, it seems you don't, (probably you just used it as a "tool" to ATTEMPT to put them down, but never really got it). There's a way FOR EVERYONE to do it, the fact that YOU ARE NOT INFORMED about it. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
You say, L RH said and I say, that the CoS is not a religion but the leaders of the CoS see it very differently and they are tax exempt in several countries. Goodbye and the best of luck, you won't answer the questions and this keeps going around in circles.
The fact that SCn is not a religion, yet they are tax exempt and you can not make sense out of it, because of you MISSING INFORMATION on this matter, doesn't mean it "doesn't" make sense.
Look outside of the approved reading list of the Cult of $cientology and you will find millions of allegations towards the cult. Try googling "Operation Clambake" then come back to me.
That's right don't go to "Operation Clambake", all my questions are there, there are too many to write in 500 characters. If you were really looking for the truth you would be prepared to read about the facts there. If you disagree with the authors claims please refute them. Otherwise you are just another brainwashed fool who believes the limited information he has been fed by the CoS.
Well you see? For me WORDS are NOT FACTS. Words are words. Now if you BELIEVE in words as "facts", that's your problem. But I say you should take a good look at the meaning of "you are just another brainwashed fool who believes"...Because I DON'T "believe" UNLESS I SEE THE ACTUAL THING MYSELF ;)
That is a lie. Do you believe that there was a Roman enpire some 2000 years ago? Do you believe that Dinosaurs walked the earth? Do you believe that LRH wrote the book dianetics? You were not there for any of these things, yet I know you believe in at least 1 of them.
Wrong, I don't "believe", there's enough EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT. Regarding dianetics, I don't care "WHO" wrote it, all I care is; it can be used, and its info DOES WORK. That's all I need to know. So you don't know... ;)
Again, I have no problem with you believing what you want. I just wish you would look outside of the CoS for your info instead of relying exclusivly on it. Googl "Operation Clambake" have a read, or simply continue to believe what the CoS is spoon feeding you. The choice is yours.
I look at FACTS WHEREVER they may be. And the fact that you ASSUME that "the CoS feed me", is just that; an Assumption OF YOURS. I also whish you would look at BOTH SIDES of the story BEFORE making "judgments", and just like you said; that's YOUR choice.
I have looked as far as the CoS will allow a non member to look. If the CoS would just stop the deception, the critics of Scientology would disappear. Oh, that's right they can't because if the OT levels were made public the membership would drop considerably, sales would drop and half the population of earth would drop dead from laughter. Keep typing I'm out of here, you refuse to look at the other side of the coin and will not answer the key questions. Good luck.
I see no "key question" ANYWHERE, instead RUMBLING, you want me to answer a "key question", ask a specific question, you'll get a specific answer. The rest is ALL OF IT, something that YOU think! Not a FACT.
How the hell is the CoS going to clear the planet if only those who can pay for it are to be clear? What will happen to the poor people in the grand scheme of the CoS?
Scn IS NOT A RELIGION, I thought you got that clear, it seems you don't, (probably you just used it as a "tool" to ATTEMPT to put them down, but never really got it). There's a way FOR EVERYONE to do it, the fact that YOU ARE NOT INFORMED about it. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
So if it was found out that LRH didn't actually write Dianetics and that it was in fact written by Adolf Hitler 20 years earlier, you wouldn't have a problem with that? I'm sure it does matter who wrote the book and the fact is that he was a conman, an author of science fiction, a wife beater, a child abuser, a compulsive liar and a fugitive from the law, all Facts.
That's called "mental diarrhea", an ANTISOCIAL like Hitler could have NEVER created something to HELP people in ANY WAY. Are you on drugs?
Yes he was a fiction writer amongst many other things. There is EVIDENCE to PROVE that, no as to the rest though, but since you are ACCUSING him of such, I have NO DOUBT, THAT YOU WILL PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT. RIGHT?
That was really funny! I asked you to SHOW, but you are NOT ABLE to do it, and present "excuses" instead. You CAN'T prove me wrong, because YOU DON'T HAVE what is needed to do so. THAT is TRUTH OF THE MATTER! And you are not going to "say much more" because, like I said, and you have PROVEN on these last comments; YOU have NOTHING! Have a good day as well, and come back when you KNOW what you are talking about.
Yeah, off you trot Maverick, you claim your little victory. Come back and argue with me when you are a little less self-deluded and close-minded, maybe then we can get somewhere instead of you constantly side-stepping valid points. :)
I don't consider this a "contest", so from my view point there are no "winners". And I see that you are making judgments about me, but don't see any VALID OBJECTIVE point about the subject, or what we were talking about...
So, you writte:"I'm almost on the edge of my seat waiting for you to ask me what my crimes are!" And end up asking me; "What are your Crimes?"..???. In one word DOING what you "expected ME to do", and IGNORING a rational question because OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NO ANSWER...You are retarded.
Oh yes....the one man in the world who never believes he is retarded is retarded.....and you it would seem are utterly lacking in a sense of humour. FACT!!! :p
"the one man in the world who never believes he is retarded is retarded"???????????What has "humor" to do with what we were talking about? You don't even know what YOU say. You say "it would SEEM", and then state: "fact"...?????????
You're actually quite funny....though I doubt you actually have the mental faculties to actually appreciate that. Funny thing is...I just can't resist replying to your comments...it's almost like I'm stalking you. :)
That's what your senses make you perceive. I'm funny, or serious, or whatever the situation requires me to be. This particular situation isn't "funny". You were arguing with me, I questioned you, and you were not able respond, so you found "funny" to escape the confrontation. Now THAT could be considered "funny". And the fact that you "can't resist", shows you have no control over your actions/attitude
You assume far too much about me but present those assumptions as fact....at the same time disparaging my informed opinion about L Ron Hubbard. You ask me to prove something using merely words...words that you dismiss...then accuse me of lacking any argument. Typical Scientology technique of sidestepping the issue with rhetorical bulls***. I'd continue to debate with you on this but you are so close minded that it's pointless. :)
So, you are saying that you accuse someone of something, but then you are not able to PROVE your own "accusation" and still PRETEND that "you are right"??? So then IF someone accuses you of stealing or murder someone 20 years ago, you should go to jail with no evidence WHATSOEVER, but based ONLY in some guy's "word"???
An "argument" full of "wisdom"...Regarding "Fool", I can tell you this: I take the time energy needed to find out things MYSELF, rather than BELIEVING what "others" (who happens to hold an antagonistic point of view) have to say about it. Now, guess WHO the "fool" is ;)
maverick: Have you even watched this video? These are actual quotes from his nibs, LRH. Why would you even want to learn this "philosophy?" Why don't you be honest with yourself, admit you may possibly have been hoodwinked and do some investigation here on the net before you proselytize?
If I want TO KNOW something about YOU, I'll ask —and/or observe— YOU, and I don't care what "others" have to say about you, I've enough knowledge to find out MYSELF, without "third party assistance"...
Furthermore, if I BELIEVE what "others say about YOU", I would NEVER have CERTAINTY, to whether "what I KNOW" about YOU, is true or not, OBVIOUS...
Would you rely on the "knowledge" of a busboy to invest your money...?
maverick: I would certainly expect to be judged by my very own words.
I can c that u r not ready to seriously search for the truth. Sanjuricus has a great point about "circular arguments," so I'm going to get off your back for now.
I'm sure u r a nice person, so I hope things work out 4 u before u compromise family, bank account or ethics.
You would expect to be judged by you very own words, but have NO HESITATION in judging others by THIRD PARTIES...BUT HEY! You know? "I" am the one who "is not ready to 'seriously' search for the truth". And you r right, Sanjuricus' "argument" is so full of "wisdom", that there's "NO WAY" to argue. In fact it's so "savvy", that he ends up by calling me "fool". In case you don't know, that's call "the swan song". Insults are the last "arguments" of those who have NOTHING to back up their attitude
I called you a fool because you are so obviously oblivious to how ridiculous Scientology actually is that you resort to asking me to prove stuff that you know damn well I have no way of proving in a misguided effort to defend your "religion" and then resort to circular arguments. I still maintain that you are a fool...look that word up in the dictionary... :)
I don't care what YOUR CONSIDERATION is about me. I asked you to do that, to EXPOSE (which YOU ADMIT) that you DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER, therefore you are just REPEATING what others say no more no less, plain and simple. Regarding "circular arguments" that means exactly: NOTHING! Ref; "fool", you have NO INFORMATION WHATSOEVER ABOUT ME, and what I may, or may not KNOW, but don't hesitate to STATE that "I'm a fool". Another piece of EVIDENCE about your "knowledge" to make an "evaluation
Frankly, you're starting to bore me. Your argument is circular, weak and totally self contradictory...I'm almost on the edge of my seat waiting for you to ask me what my crimes are! I'm not gonna say much more than this final statement...I have done a LOT of investigation into the cult of scientology. A LOT. Much of it is first hand experience, some of it second hand. If you are sucked in by this cult then in my perfectly valid opinion, you are a fool.
And your "arguments" are just words... And, WHERE are the "contradictions"? "You are not going to say much more" because you have NOTHING to say, ha ha. You have done "a lot" "A LOT", blah, blah, blah, first, second hand, who cares? PROVE IT! Your "opinion" is as valid as the "knowledge" you have about the subject... MY opinion is that you know NOTHING about Scientology other than what you heard others saying about it,(which you BELIEVE is a "fact") if not, PROVE ME WRONG!
Contradictions....you call my arguments just words...what are your arguments to me...just words. You would have me prove you wrong...pah! If I did prove you wrong you would just dismiss it as circumstantial or something equally poor. I'm not going to say much more because you are simply not worth the effort. Good day to you Sir.
I don't know if I am a nice person or not. I try to be the best I can, that's all I can say. And tks for your concern, but things "don't work for me", I make them work, and when it doesn't I find the way myself.
Then start looking up the quotes and PROVE US that those arent quotes but made up FICTION PROVE that scientology WORKS prove that we ARE WRONG PROVE IT
You said you can search for yourself ... then do it
Everyone should dig into this guy's life. He was ok when doing sci-fi, but as he got deeper into satanism etc thru A. Crowley he went off the deep end and was really depraved and messed up in the head as well in the end.
No, Battlefield Earth did suck. I meant the series Mission Earth. When he started his own religion is when he lost the rest of his mind. That wasnt the important part of my comment. Hubbard was heavily into witchcraft, satanism, that stuff is real.
Go look up some Lawsuits buddy he convicted of listed above why should i do the work for you? You said you can study yourself go look it up or wait you cant your getting controlled :O then just keep on believing
"Scientology...is not psycho-therapy, nor is it a religion" - L Ron Hubbard...
Bunch of hypocrites!!!Lemmings!!!
Why all the fuss about "we're a religion, not a cult" Hubbard himself said its not a religion!! WTF is up with that?? Miscavige should go chew on some shit, its made of sterner stuff then his grasp on reason.
That's right! It is NOT "psycho-terapy, and it is NOT a religion, It FALLS under the conventional definition of "religion", but it is an Applied Philosophy, that's what it is. In fact "Scientology" means "the study of knowledge", or "Knowing how to know". Which actually means, there's only ONE WAY to know it, and that's by STUDYING IT! ;)
No, you are so wrong, what has one thing to do with the other? Whether you pay or become staff, you still have to study it, just like any other subject you want to KNOW about. And I think your comment is really dumb, I mean that's damn OBVIOUS...
maverick: Philosophy, applied or otherwise, should not have a price tag, whether it be cash or free labor. If you keep your head in the sand, you make it very easy for miscavage and thugs to continue to screw you.
"should not have a price tag" Really? So, you are saying that when you go to learn it, and you get the materials which was developed by someone, published by them using machinery that consumes electricity, paper, lots of personal to make it possible, marketing, publicity, the people who assist you when you learn etc, etc. They should give it to you FOR FREE. I suppose they are in debt with you, right?
You know nothing buddy instead you "Believe" believe that your money wasnt wasted believe your not naive believe whatever you want it will prove itself wrong in the end :)
"Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation (atomic) burns" HAHAHAHAHAH that my friends, is the lamest statement I've seen in sooooo long!!!"
Bottom line is that its a PSYCHIATRIC drug....what was it that Scientologists thought about Psychiatry again? Please refresh my memory.... OH yeah, that was it...they think it was the cause of and perpetrator of the Holocaust in World War 2 and that its just about the most evil thing on this planet. Funny how your Illustrious Leader Mr Elrond Cupboard died with a Psych drug in his system isn't it?
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L. Ron Hubbard was a fake, a crook, a liar, a madman, a charlatan, a brainwasher, a creep, a drug addict, a satanist, and alas, a murderer.
Scientologee 1 year ago
Haven't listened to this song in years,
Freddie Mercury, R.I.P.
Ron Hubbard, Rot In Hell.
SpecialEdward121 1 year ago
L Ron Hubbard was one of the most evil men ever lived.
marksbrisby 1 year ago
@marksbrisby Agree. He actually wanted Scientology to take over the world. Fuck you L. Wrong Hubbard. Fuck you Tom Cruise.
missionrd100 1 year ago
@memyselfandeye3 hahahahaha I'd seriously _e ashamed to defend this psychopathic murderer. The la_el "conartist" reaks from his stench when you just watch footage of him. Scientologists have lost their elements
brettg82au 2 years ago
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memyselfandeye3 2 years ago
For the benefit of anyone except memy reading this: There are plenty of vids up on youtube quite similar to this one. Go look for them, as in at least one I do know they tell you in the description exactly which year/edition the text was changed so as to remove 'nor a religion'.
Get your own facts straight before you accuse someone else. What are YOUR crimes?
Rhamni88 2 years ago
@memyselfandeye3 thats because after a certain edition i forget which year, IT WAS REMOVED!! Get your fact straight! Miscavige alters the tech you are PTS to RTC... Get out of your criminal Org...
cyraxandflyraxHaters 1 year ago
The current "Church" of Scientology corporate organizations are no longer are in the "business" of delivering increased spiritual awareness (as was occurring back in the '50s, '60s and '70s when it was an applied religious philosophy).
No. Today, the "Church" of Scientology says it's a "religion" and it's in the real estate business.
Sad. Another case of betrayal against Man in his search for Truth on the potentialities of the immortal spiritual being.
orbal1 2 years ago
that last qoute is the real nasty one... a world in which scientology rules everything - worse than 1984? damn
webkilla 2 years ago
WOW!
Fenvox79 3 years ago
Some of the most effective ways to show the COS for what it is are to quote LRH directly (and show from what source) as well as record the behaviour of OSA and the OT members. DM speeches are pretty revealing, too.
laserofjustice 3 years ago 3
Ellaraitch (LRH) must've been able to see the future and read minds because "intended crimes" wouldn't have happened yet. Talk about thought police.
Anonygoof 3 years ago
I don't get it. I looked at p251 in "Creation of Human Ability" and it doesn't have that quote you say it does in 1:19 of this video. Could it be that it was taken out when the basics came out and altered?
MrPillowFoot 3 years ago
Wow...I know back then it was common to hear racist comments, but...fuck. Co$'s founder and leader was KING racist
AdiG1 3 years ago
Here's another couple quotes:
"It doesn't give me displeasure to hear of a virgin being raped. The lot of women is to be fornicated." --- Lafayette R. Hubbard Affirmations 1947.
AND:
"Society begins its sharpest decline at the instant when women begin to take part, on an equal footing with men, in political and business affairs; since this means that the men are decadent and the women are no longer women." --- Lafayette R. Hubbard (Scientology madman), page 20, The Second Dynamic
LindiVid 3 years ago
God you use these quotes everywhere, huh LindiVid?
aryanovia 3 years ago
Stop this video at 1:00 and read what is quoted from LRH. So why is this then a "religion" today? Is it for TAX REASONS? The shit here is so thick!!
trex250 3 years ago
Bigot.Drug Addict.Psychotic.Fascist. And there's Tom Cruise in his award ceremony with his lips fully engorged around LRH's dead phallus extolling his virtues. The time of $scientology has ended, the time of Anonymous has begun. March 15.
volatile6969 4 years ago 4
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oh fuck off anonymous, i dont like scientology i hink its retarded but to have some nerdy group made against them is just the geekiest thing ive ever seen, some guy in my school is in ur little club and hes the most unpopular person in the whole fucking school and if u all accept him then u all r neeks 2
Catholicism777 3 years ago
Who the fuck said I was anonymous? Do your homework before spewing bullshit or you might sound retarded like you did this time.
volatile6969 3 years ago
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whichever i dont care either way u prophesised the "rise" of anonymous when its run by fucking nerds, ad i know this cos i know a nerd in it!
Catholicism777 3 years ago
lol i think you might be a little confused...
the mere coincidence that a "nerd" at your "school" is an anonymous doesn't necessitate an insult towards the entire group. your little faith isnt so smart either... for instance do you think that your friend God created every single chemical structure in the universe, combined them with fusion and other methods, and created life on this little planet ALONE in 7 DAYS?... makes a whole lotta sense... to a Christian.
ChariotRider 3 years ago
ok i understand how i was stereotyping based on one guy i just htink its a little bit sad thats all and this "anonymous" is just as bad as scientology in my opinion. and yes i think God made the universe but not in 7 days. i believe the only Christians who believe the Bible word for word and that it is all 100% true is Evangelists, Catholics believe that the stories in the Bible simply symbolise morals etc, i believe in the teleological and cosmological arguments when it comes to creation
Catholicism777 3 years ago
i believe you have still misunderstood...
anonymous does not sell salvation-false salvation- to its "followers" (who in reality are not following but participating with their own intentions at hand) and then consciously stifle their control over their primary funds and ultimately their entire psyche. Scientology does. Scientology is not a religion, but merely cloaks itself as one.
The "Church" of Sci. is nonprof. but the highest organization- Int. Asoc. of Scientologists iS FOR PROFIT ONLY. SCAM
ChariotRider 3 years ago
what i mean is that the highest controlling body of Scientology is only concerned with the money made by the non-profit orgs(churches).
Look into this controversy and don't hold the same positive bias that you would if someone was attacking a religion such as catholicism. meaning, you shouldn't assume that just because Scientology is tax exempt does not mean it is a religion in the proper sense of the word.
the fact is that anonymous is not similar to scientology in the ways that count. XENU
ChariotRider 3 years ago
"you shouldn't assume that just because Scientology is tax exempt means it is a religion in the proper sense of the word."
ChariotRider 3 years ago
Fucking moronic faggits who believe in this shit.. have nothing better to do.. THERES PROOF THAT THIS HOLE SCIENTOLOGY SHIT IS BULL SHIT... how? Lisa Mcpherson.. bought all the reccomandations to stayed healthy.. but what happend is she died of a DISEASE .. ironic huh?
Xternol 4 years ago
How did she die of a disease? i saw a picture of her after she died and she was burned badly...idk if that was the cause of death, but...l. ron was evil.
Jh21193 3 years ago
Basically Jh21193... what happens is scientology offers you stages of clearness, the farther u go.. the better it gets, so you cant get diseases (you cant die from them) and you have like powers, she did all the stages.... and she ended up with a disease.. i dont know which one, i think it was cancer.
Xternol 3 years ago
indeed, moronic. however, she did not die of a disease. Although controversial, the events that took place while she was isolated in their Clearwater base for 17 days are thought to be the reason she died. she was a malnourished, dehydrated, bite-ridden corpse by the time scientology got her to a hospital.
There is evidence of a pulmonary embolism, but it most likely was not caused by the minor car accident she had been in prior to the 17 days.
The embolism was allowed to devolop due to sci. IR.
ChariotRider 3 years ago
Pulmonary Embolism is not linked to any type of motor vehicle accident, its linked to long periods of time in the same position, that sets blood to clotting because of stasis, moving from veins to the heart and lungs getting lodged in small pulmonary ateries. She most likely died from a combination of dehydration and long periods of time on bed or on the floor, causing pulmonary thromboembolism.
fmn2628 2 years ago
Dehydration can also "thicken " blood causing hypercoagulability. If this were to happen in a hospital it would be malpractice.
fmn2628 2 years ago
I get the filling that Islam was the Scientology of its day.
ericd727 4 years ago
i dont think islam made you pay $40 for an introductory self-help pack
aaron1900 4 years ago
Islam doesn't make anybody pay.
CW2Austin 3 years ago
Islam is gay. but scientology is gayer.
Jh21193 3 years ago
Wrong, Islam makes you pay with your life if your are an "infidel".
SunriseSucks 3 years ago
If you believe scientology, you deserve to be in scientology, let the saps lose their money and dignity and individualism, weirdos. They better not come knocking at my door with any pamphlets or something. That fucking cult will taste a bit of my AR-15.
ericd727 4 years ago
The problem is, where does that money go towards?
justinvincenti 4 years ago
Hunting down and and discrediting critics. And also lining the pockets of officials at the very top of the organization. You don't think the grunts see a dime of that, do you? They're practically living in squaller if they're not at the org.
twistedpuppet 4 years ago
Lawywers, propaganda and real estate.
laserofjustice 3 years ago
check the comments marked as spam, they aren't spam, more scientologist facism
ericd727 4 years ago 2
Hey People, In the UK, we can still do a lot about these criminals!
Dont let them get a grip on this country!
If you are from the UK, and you want Scientology BANNED/ DENIED THE "CHRUCH" TITLE/ RENAMED,
Sign the following petitions (all 3 if you like!)
petitions . pm . gov . uk/scientologyno
petitions . pm . gov . uk/-scientology
petitions . pm . gov . uk/anti-scientology
buprenorphed24 4 years ago 4
He was totally insane and this organization is even more insane.
cutes22 4 years ago 14
i think i'm a banana too
OpakeArawra2 4 years ago
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DaveDavidson123 4 years ago 3
did it have this gem?
"It doesn't give me displeasure to hear of a virgin being raped. The lot of women is to be fornicated"
lmngroove 4 years ago 2
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God Bless Tom Cruise , He has done more to hurt Scientology than anyone else could. Thank You Scientologists for picking Him as your Poster Boy. Instead of your plan for him to HELP your cause , it has HURT it more than you can Imagine. Because of his celebrity ,Tom has brought more public information of this INSANE CULT to the people of the World. ( I don't think your plan for Tom worked out the way you thought it would )
festus3030 4 years ago 8
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hes right about china
ramonesacidpillsh 4 years ago
If Tom Cruise is a true believer he should volunteer to expose himself to a lethal dosage of radiation and then demonstrate a Scientology based cure. If he lives, I'll sign up too.
rinpoche1 4 years ago 14
What a crazy bastard. honestly, what kind of idiot would devote their life (and money!) to this religion. there are plenty of ways you can improve your life on your own, with out joining a crazy made up cult.
cherylxo 4 years ago 7
I just don't understand how this is tollerated. The fact that anyone who questions this church is a criminal hiding what they have done is crazy. But I got shit to hide so i'm not saying anything. :) hahahahahahaha
famlfax 4 years ago 5
wait a second, isn't that Captain Steubing at the very start of the clip?
manwithnoname123 4 years ago
I would love to see a reporter confront Tom Cruise with one or two of these quotes and then see him squirm.
hrmoore41 4 years ago 3
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bozomatt 4 years ago 3
lol
wat a SCAM!!!! lol
THIS SCAM IS A GREAT ONE!
Li0mCa 4 years ago 2
This is just plain sad.
Bondbitch 4 years ago 3
If money is the source of all evil then Sychologists are evil.
adamkow3166 4 years ago 2
true. so true.
Li0mCa 4 years ago
unfortunately, the original phrase was "the love of money is the root of all evil", not money itself.
shoseki 4 years ago 2
Anyone else feel like they were being watched as they played this video? Scary stuff.
rupazer0 4 years ago 4
i do...
Li0mCa 4 years ago
No wonder the Nut hates Sychologists , He is clearly NUTS. I'm also sorry to say, ( and I'm as Liberal as the next guy ) , so is all the followers of Scientology. A lot of them seem to have some deep psychosis ,and they feel this "Religion" gives them some solace.
festus3030 4 years ago
even his smile is FAKE
amp1616 4 years ago
his smile is creepy and his grill is jacked up.
cutdeamon 4 years ago 3
oh yeah that "smile" tells all. That IS logical. Sorry.
aryanovia 4 years ago
"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them."
-L. Ron Hubbard
TheDarkLordLucifer 4 years ago 3
the only thing that is said in that video is WAR WAR WAR! it reflects the time and the enemys thinking! THE WAR IS ONE IN THE MIND BEFORE THE ACTUAL BATTLE!
patrick95212 4 years ago
I love the fact that scientologists accuse anyone who dares doubt their all powerful "religion" as being bigots then hounds any critics down with law suits and harassment!
It's weird how they become so totally brainwashed they lose any critical thought about their organisation, then, they lose any sense of humour and imagination, then they lose a few hundred thousand dollars, then they lose their dignity!
alexoidztube 4 years ago 2
I think they lose their dignity loooong before their money!!!!! :D
sanjuricus 4 years ago 3
fair point, I was being generous!
alexoidztube 4 years ago
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No one can STAND something can helps others...remember--noone is forced to be or continue in Scientology. Oh, and you might complain to the US Justice Department and the Supreme Court if you don't like it being declared a religion. Facts are facts, those who want to say it is other that what it is is, are in disagreement with multiple (not just the US Gov't Court's) take on this. Pity. End your crusades of bigotry and let Scientology keep on working.
aryanovia 4 years ago
I was wondering when you would turn up. :)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
If that happens we will have another Nazi party on our hands, Mr. ARYANovia
nosorab3 4 years ago
HA HA HA very observant matey. Many Lols from that, made my day!!!! :)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
You might want to explain that. Btw, lovely limited view of "aryan." Classic tactic, downgrade others by labeling them nazi's. Super. :D)
aryanovia 4 years ago
Absolutely splendid lack of a sense of humour there.....thats probably why you just can't see that Uncle Ron was just takin the mickey and earning a fast buck!!!!
sanjuricus 4 years ago
I'd like to think you are a Scientologist yourself. Go ahead and label us all as SPs.
douro20 4 years ago
Lisa McPherson might have a different viewpoint about being able to leave...if she wasn't dead.yeah dipshit she was murderd by scientologist .
cutdeamon 4 years ago
Re Gmmaverick;I suggest you put your remarks to Tom Cruise,he seems to get very upset when people attack his RELIGION.
RAQDES 4 years ago
And you are saying that I "assume" that you were not able to present EVIDENCE of your accusations??? Forgive "ME", I "obviously missed". And WHERE is it exactly??? ;)
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Is THAT what you mean??? If it is "correct" for "others", it MUST be correct for you too, right??? And another thing STATEN that you are "informed" is NOT, BEEN informed. If you HAVE so much information SHOW IT, but be AWARE that to REPEAT what others say, doesn't mean that info is a "fact".
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
That's what your senses make you perceive. I'm funny, or serious, or whatever the situation requires me to be. This particular situation isn't "funny". You were arguing with me, I questioned you, and you were not able respond, so you found "funny" to escape the confrontation. Now THAT could be considered "funny". And the fact that you "can't resist", shows you have no control over your actions/attitude
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Maverick, have you even watched the video?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Yes I did, why?
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Just asking, doesn't seem like you did. You don't respond to L Ron's actual words.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
What is your point? that's a lot of talking there.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Talk about some of the things L Ron said. "Scientology is the only cure for radiation burns","Scientology is not a religion","The trouble with China is there are too many chinks here","Don't break you back scrubbing the floor. Get yourself a nigger". They are some pretty powerful words from your leader, care to comment?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
WHICH part of the video he says that about radiation? Scientology is NOT a religion, that's correct; what's the problem? WHERE he says that about "nigger"? WHO told YOU he's "my leader"?
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
You didn't watch this video at all, watch it again everything I wrote is contained in the video.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
I will.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
I am not a religious bigot. I have no problem with people worshipping their chosen deity. I do however have issues with cults that prey on the minds of simple people, cults that drain all monies form their memebers and cults that hide information from their members until they have paid a fee. Selling salvation to the highest bidder is wrong.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Scn member don't worship ANY "deity", or person, that's just misinformation. The rest is like you said. YOUR problem, which as I can see is not only based in PARTIAL info. but taken from ANY "source".
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Your circular arguments are quite pathetic, you will not talk about the content of the video, instead you attack what I have written about me not having a problem with people worshipping who or whatever they wish. My problem is the corupt nature of the CoS and the way it costs a small fortune to progress though the ranks to salvation. Selling salvation to the highest bidder is wrong.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
I am watching the video. And can already forward the first add about "creating a religion to make money", is just that, AN ADD, that's DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING. Regarding you problem with CoS, "corruption" has to be PROVEN to b considered A FACT. If it's too expensive 4 u, don't pay 4 it. Regarding "selling", WHY is it wrong? Should they give it to you for free? WHY? Do they OWE YOU SOMETHING?
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Selling salvation is WRONG!!!! Name another religion that says, pay me this money or go to hell. I don't expect an answer to this question, as there is no other religion that extorts money from their members with the threat of damnation, other Than $cientology. How the hell is the CoS going to clear the planet if only those who can pay for it are to be clear? What will happen to the poor people in the grand scheme of the CoS?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Scn IS NOT A RELIGION, I thought you got that clear, it seems you don't, (probably you just used it as a "tool" to ATTEMPT to put them down, but never really got it). There's a way FOR EVERYONE to do it, the fact that YOU ARE NOT INFORMED about it. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
You say, L RH said and I say, that the CoS is not a religion but the leaders of the CoS see it very differently and they are tax exempt in several countries. Goodbye and the best of luck, you won't answer the questions and this keeps going around in circles.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
The fact that SCn is not a religion, yet they are tax exempt and you can not make sense out of it, because of you MISSING INFORMATION on this matter, doesn't mean it "doesn't" make sense.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Look outside of the approved reading list of the Cult of $cientology and you will find millions of allegations towards the cult. Try googling "Operation Clambake" then come back to me.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
I'm NOT going to waste my time looking for "info" from sources that ANYONE can "create", if you have something to say, say it.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
That's right don't go to "Operation Clambake", all my questions are there, there are too many to write in 500 characters. If you were really looking for the truth you would be prepared to read about the facts there. If you disagree with the authors claims please refute them. Otherwise you are just another brainwashed fool who believes the limited information he has been fed by the CoS.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Well you see? For me WORDS are NOT FACTS. Words are words. Now if you BELIEVE in words as "facts", that's your problem. But I say you should take a good look at the meaning of "you are just another brainwashed fool who believes"...Because I DON'T "believe" UNLESS I SEE THE ACTUAL THING MYSELF ;)
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
That is a lie. Do you believe that there was a Roman enpire some 2000 years ago? Do you believe that Dinosaurs walked the earth? Do you believe that LRH wrote the book dianetics? You were not there for any of these things, yet I know you believe in at least 1 of them.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Wrong, I don't "believe", there's enough EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT. Regarding dianetics, I don't care "WHO" wrote it, all I care is; it can be used, and its info DOES WORK. That's all I need to know. So you don't know... ;)
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Again, I have no problem with you believing what you want. I just wish you would look outside of the CoS for your info instead of relying exclusivly on it. Googl "Operation Clambake" have a read, or simply continue to believe what the CoS is spoon feeding you. The choice is yours.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
I look at FACTS WHEREVER they may be. And the fact that you ASSUME that "the CoS feed me", is just that; an Assumption OF YOURS. I also whish you would look at BOTH SIDES of the story BEFORE making "judgments", and just like you said; that's YOUR choice.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
I have looked as far as the CoS will allow a non member to look. If the CoS would just stop the deception, the critics of Scientology would disappear. Oh, that's right they can't because if the OT levels were made public the membership would drop considerably, sales would drop and half the population of earth would drop dead from laughter. Keep typing I'm out of here, you refuse to look at the other side of the coin and will not answer the key questions. Good luck.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
I see no "key question" ANYWHERE, instead RUMBLING, you want me to answer a "key question", ask a specific question, you'll get a specific answer. The rest is ALL OF IT, something that YOU think! Not a FACT.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
"Operation Clambake" has all the proof. If you would just go to the site and educate yourself. Goodbye.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Yeah, "goodbye"...ha ha :)
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
How the hell is the CoS going to clear the planet if only those who can pay for it are to be clear? What will happen to the poor people in the grand scheme of the CoS?
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
Scn IS NOT A RELIGION, I thought you got that clear, it seems you don't, (probably you just used it as a "tool" to ATTEMPT to put them down, but never really got it). There's a way FOR EVERYONE to do it, the fact that YOU ARE NOT INFORMED about it. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
SeaOrg. (*wretch*)
kreskinkun 4 years ago
The very mention of Sea Org does the same to me.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
So if it was found out that LRH didn't actually write Dianetics and that it was in fact written by Adolf Hitler 20 years earlier, you wouldn't have a problem with that? I'm sure it does matter who wrote the book and the fact is that he was a conman, an author of science fiction, a wife beater, a child abuser, a compulsive liar and a fugitive from the law, all Facts.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
That's called "mental diarrhea", an ANTISOCIAL like Hitler could have NEVER created something to HELP people in ANY WAY. Are you on drugs?
Yes he was a fiction writer amongst many other things. There is EVIDENCE to PROVE that, no as to the rest though, but since you are ACCUSING him of such, I have NO DOUBT, THAT YOU WILL PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT. RIGHT?
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
"Operation Clambake" has all the proof. If you would just go to the site and educate yourself. Goodbye.
SlappyThePenguin 4 years ago
"Educate oneself", and ASSUMING as "facts" ANY info which agrees with "what we BELIEVE", are two complete DIFFERENT THINGS. WORDS, are NOT FACTS.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
FUCK YOU sCIENTOLOGY!
DavyCrockett2 4 years ago
from the outside its clear that scientology is a big heap of shit. Ill bet it hell fron the inside
msqtube 4 years ago
That was really funny! I asked you to SHOW, but you are NOT ABLE to do it, and present "excuses" instead. You CAN'T prove me wrong, because YOU DON'T HAVE what is needed to do so. THAT is TRUTH OF THE MATTER! And you are not going to "say much more" because, like I said, and you have PROVEN on these last comments; YOU have NOTHING! Have a good day as well, and come back when you KNOW what you are talking about.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Yeah, off you trot Maverick, you claim your little victory. Come back and argue with me when you are a little less self-deluded and close-minded, maybe then we can get somewhere instead of you constantly side-stepping valid points. :)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
I don't consider this a "contest", so from my view point there are no "winners". And I see that you are making judgments about me, but don't see any VALID OBJECTIVE point about the subject, or what we were talking about...
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
LOL...sidestepping the point yet again!!! STFU FFS.
sanjuricus 4 years ago
"sidestepping" WHICH "point"? Do you see ANY "valid" point?
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
What are your Crimes?
sanjuricus 4 years ago
So, you writte:"I'm almost on the edge of my seat waiting for you to ask me what my crimes are!" And end up asking me; "What are your Crimes?"..???. In one word DOING what you "expected ME to do", and IGNORING a rational question because OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NO ANSWER...You are retarded.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Oh yes....the one man in the world who never believes he is retarded is retarded.....and you it would seem are utterly lacking in a sense of humour. FACT!!! :p
sanjuricus 4 years ago
"the one man in the world who never believes he is retarded is retarded"???????????What has "humor" to do with what we were talking about? You don't even know what YOU say. You say "it would SEEM", and then state: "fact"...?????????
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
You're actually quite funny....though I doubt you actually have the mental faculties to actually appreciate that. Funny thing is...I just can't resist replying to your comments...it's almost like I'm stalking you. :)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
That's what your senses make you perceive. I'm funny, or serious, or whatever the situation requires me to be. This particular situation isn't "funny". You were arguing with me, I questioned you, and you were not able respond, so you found "funny" to escape the confrontation. Now THAT could be considered "funny". And the fact that you "can't resist", shows you have no control over your actions/attitude
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
You assume far too much about me but present those assumptions as fact....at the same time disparaging my informed opinion about L Ron Hubbard. You ask me to prove something using merely words...words that you dismiss...then accuse me of lacking any argument. Typical Scientology technique of sidestepping the issue with rhetorical bulls***. I'd continue to debate with you on this but you are so close minded that it's pointless. :)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
So, you are saying that you accuse someone of something, but then you are not able to PROVE your own "accusation" and still PRETEND that "you are right"??? So then IF someone accuses you of stealing or murder someone 20 years ago, you should go to jail with no evidence WHATSOEVER, but based ONLY in some guy's "word"???
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
...aaaand here we go into the circular arguments characteristic of proponents of a certain "religion". Fool.
sanjuricus 4 years ago
An "argument" full of "wisdom"...Regarding "Fool", I can tell you this: I take the time energy needed to find out things MYSELF, rather than BELIEVING what "others" (who happens to hold an antagonistic point of view) have to say about it. Now, guess WHO the "fool" is ;)
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
maverick: Have you even watched this video? These are actual quotes from his nibs, LRH. Why would you even want to learn this "philosophy?" Why don't you be honest with yourself, admit you may possibly have been hoodwinked and do some investigation here on the net before you proselytize?
sugarplumscookies 4 years ago
sugarplumscookies;
If I want TO KNOW something about YOU, I'll ask —and/or observe— YOU, and I don't care what "others" have to say about you, I've enough knowledge to find out MYSELF, without "third party assistance"...
Furthermore, if I BELIEVE what "others say about YOU", I would NEVER have CERTAINTY, to whether "what I KNOW" about YOU, is true or not, OBVIOUS...
Would you rely on the "knowledge" of a busboy to invest your money...?
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
maverick: I would certainly expect to be judged by my very own words.
I can c that u r not ready to seriously search for the truth. Sanjuricus has a great point about "circular arguments," so I'm going to get off your back for now.
I'm sure u r a nice person, so I hope things work out 4 u before u compromise family, bank account or ethics.
sugarplumscookies 4 years ago
You would expect to be judged by you very own words, but have NO HESITATION in judging others by THIRD PARTIES...BUT HEY! You know? "I" am the one who "is not ready to 'seriously' search for the truth". And you r right, Sanjuricus' "argument" is so full of "wisdom", that there's "NO WAY" to argue. In fact it's so "savvy", that he ends up by calling me "fool". In case you don't know, that's call "the swan song". Insults are the last "arguments" of those who have NOTHING to back up their attitude
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
I called you a fool because you are so obviously oblivious to how ridiculous Scientology actually is that you resort to asking me to prove stuff that you know damn well I have no way of proving in a misguided effort to defend your "religion" and then resort to circular arguments. I still maintain that you are a fool...look that word up in the dictionary... :)
sanjuricus 4 years ago
I don't care what YOUR CONSIDERATION is about me. I asked you to do that, to EXPOSE (which YOU ADMIT) that you DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER, therefore you are just REPEATING what others say no more no less, plain and simple. Regarding "circular arguments" that means exactly: NOTHING! Ref; "fool", you have NO INFORMATION WHATSOEVER ABOUT ME, and what I may, or may not KNOW, but don't hesitate to STATE that "I'm a fool". Another piece of EVIDENCE about your "knowledge" to make an "evaluation
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Frankly, you're starting to bore me. Your argument is circular, weak and totally self contradictory...I'm almost on the edge of my seat waiting for you to ask me what my crimes are! I'm not gonna say much more than this final statement...I have done a LOT of investigation into the cult of scientology. A LOT. Much of it is first hand experience, some of it second hand. If you are sucked in by this cult then in my perfectly valid opinion, you are a fool.
sanjuricus 4 years ago
And your "arguments" are just words... And, WHERE are the "contradictions"? "You are not going to say much more" because you have NOTHING to say, ha ha. You have done "a lot" "A LOT", blah, blah, blah, first, second hand, who cares? PROVE IT! Your "opinion" is as valid as the "knowledge" you have about the subject... MY opinion is that you know NOTHING about Scientology other than what you heard others saying about it,(which you BELIEVE is a "fact") if not, PROVE ME WRONG!
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Contradictions....you call my arguments just words...what are your arguments to me...just words. You would have me prove you wrong...pah! If I did prove you wrong you would just dismiss it as circumstantial or something equally poor. I'm not going to say much more because you are simply not worth the effort. Good day to you Sir.
sanjuricus 4 years ago
I don't know if I am a nice person or not. I try to be the best I can, that's all I can say. And tks for your concern, but things "don't work for me", I make them work, and when it doesn't I find the way myself.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Then start looking up the quotes and PROVE US that those arent quotes but made up FICTION PROVE that scientology WORKS prove that we ARE WRONG PROVE IT
You said you can search for yourself ... then do it
N0d4chi 4 years ago 2
lol now these r what shud be on the picket signs of the scientology protesters
tatertotmxz 4 years ago
Slightly?
sugarplumscookies 4 years ago
Everyone should dig into this guy's life. He was ok when doing sci-fi, but as he got deeper into satanism etc thru A. Crowley he went off the deep end and was really depraved and messed up in the head as well in the end.
DatguyTrey 4 years ago
Lmao he was OK when doing Sci Fi? :P I guess thats why Battlefield Earth flopped. :P
warhammer1 4 years ago
LRH didn't make the movie, he wrote the book, the movie is a very short version of the book.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
No, Battlefield Earth did suck. I meant the series Mission Earth. When he started his own religion is when he lost the rest of his mind. That wasnt the important part of my comment. Hubbard was heavily into witchcraft, satanism, that stuff is real.
DatguyTrey 4 years ago
DatguyTrey
"that stuff is real."
Really? Can you show me?
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
Go look up some Lawsuits buddy he convicted of listed above why should i do the work for you? You said you can study yourself go look it up or wait you cant your getting controlled :O then just keep on believing
N0d4chi 4 years ago
"Scientology...is not psycho-therapy, nor is it a religion" - L Ron Hubbard...
Bunch of hypocrites!!!Lemmings!!!
Why all the fuss about "we're a religion, not a cult" Hubbard himself said its not a religion!! WTF is up with that?? Miscavige should go chew on some shit, its made of sterner stuff then his grasp on reason.
warhammer1 4 years ago
That's right! It is NOT "psycho-terapy, and it is NOT a religion, It FALLS under the conventional definition of "religion", but it is an Applied Philosophy, that's what it is. In fact "Scientology" means "the study of knowledge", or "Knowing how to know". Which actually means, there's only ONE WAY to know it, and that's by STUDYING IT! ;)
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
maverick: Apparently there is one other way to know it, and that's by PAYING FOR IT!
sugarplumscookies 4 years ago
sugarplumscookies
No, you are so wrong, what has one thing to do with the other? Whether you pay or become staff, you still have to study it, just like any other subject you want to KNOW about. And I think your comment is really dumb, I mean that's damn OBVIOUS...
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
maverick: Philosophy, applied or otherwise, should not have a price tag, whether it be cash or free labor. If you keep your head in the sand, you make it very easy for miscavage and thugs to continue to screw you.
sugarplumscookies 4 years ago
sugarplumscookies
"should not have a price tag" Really? So, you are saying that when you go to learn it, and you get the materials which was developed by someone, published by them using machinery that consumes electricity, paper, lots of personal to make it possible, marketing, publicity, the people who assist you when you learn etc, etc. They should give it to you FOR FREE. I suppose they are in debt with you, right?
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
maverick: To quote a very naive and probably a very nice but gullible person, "One thing is undeniable; YOU BELIEVED what you were TOLD..."
sugarplumscookies 4 years ago
YOU do not know "what I believe", but I can give you a clue: I DON'T "BELIEVE" anything, instead; I KNOW.
Gmmaverick 4 years ago
I can say that about myself aswell
go figure ...
You know nothing buddy instead you "Believe" believe that your money wasnt wasted believe your not naive believe whatever you want it will prove itself wrong in the end :)
N0d4chi 4 years ago
"Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation (atomic) burns" HAHAHAHAHAH that my friends, is the lamest statement I've seen in sooooo long!!!"
warhammer1 4 years ago
Bottom line is that its a PSYCHIATRIC drug....what was it that Scientologists thought about Psychiatry again? Please refresh my memory.... OH yeah, that was it...they think it was the cause of and perpetrator of the Holocaust in World War 2 and that its just about the most evil thing on this planet. Funny how your Illustrious Leader Mr Elrond Cupboard died with a Psych drug in his system isn't it?
sanjuricus 4 years ago
sanjuricus
Leader Mr Elrond Cupboard died with a Psych drug in his system.
PROVE IT...
Gmmaverick 4 years ago