Socialism unlike Libertarian capitalism or Stalinist communism is not an absolute it can have many manifestations from NAZISM (National Socialism) to its just as deadly direct opposite Stalinist Socialism in-between you have a wide variety of examples where many democratic capitalist nations include socialist programmes in their societies culture including the welfare programmes run by the US or individual States with in it but the US is not classed as a socialist country.
@halloranedward I'm I don't understand your comment why does a country having property rights mean its fascist? All none communist countries have property rights.
@davijeph capitalism= property rights and commercial rights. socialism no commercial rights, fascism=socialism with property rights. communism=socialism without property rights. having the right to own property, but having the government control prices is called fascism.
@halloranedward I'm sorry but your explanations are far to simplistic to mean anything. Fascism as little to do with economic theory it was all about the self renewal of racial and cultural rebirth of the Nation. Mussolini and Hitler had little interest in economics but were only interested in the "purity" of their particular Nations. It had nothing as such to do with capitalism, socialism or communism. There is a massive difference between communist and todays meaning of the word socialist.
@davijeph liar, just because you use the word "apple pie" does not mean that apples only occur in pie form, or that pies are only apple does it liar? fascism is the economic system where the government sets prices , but property can be owned. it does not mean racism does it liar? it has nothing to do with hitler does it liar? it was the economic system of the nazis but that does not mean that it is nazi does it liar? socialism is government set prices.
abolish goverment guaranteed loans tutions would COLLAPSE to 1-2 thousands dollars a semester at some schools and per years at others.. A summer job would be enough.
@ped200014 do you know the meaning of the words "capitalist" "fascist" and communist? do you know which of these systems has the workers owning the means of production?
@halloranedward Yes, but you clearly don't. That's socialism. Which was designed as a means to communism. Communism was a means to erradicate government thus land ownership and classes. Like native americans for example. Ideally you can sell goods and services or have socialistic co-op's like Linux. You just couldn't horde land by means of govt tyranny and economic dictatorship of the elite thus forcing everyone else into a state of dependancy one being "wage slaves" for their survival.
I do think the whole insurance industry ramps up the prices, which isn't good for anybody, so we should ban health insurance. If you can afford it pay for it yourself. If you can't afford it or would go seriously into debt or bankruptcy paying for it then the government should help you pay for it.
The whole health insurance industry is a giant casino. A few casinos are fine, but a casino industry that creates an environment that coerces people into gambling should be prohibited.
I agree it shouldn't all be paid for by the government. But how about just for those who can't afford it like how we give food stamps to people who can't afford food?
You're more likely to find yourself in a situation where you can't afford health care treatment than food since health care needs often happen without any forewarning. Food needs are more predictable. The unpredictability of health care needs is why we need some social safety net.
@sicktoaster the safety net is what caused the problem in the first place. fascist bureaucrats don't want jobs for poor people, because the would not need food stamps, so they close up businesses. they don't want poor people to have health insurance so they inflate the cost and close down charity hospitals, you heard the video, before we had medicare and medicaid, no one ever had to go without health care, and the government didn't pay for it.
You're right: democrats have the welfare-industry, and republicans have industrial welfare and the military-industrial complex.
It's simply an entrenched oligarchy that pretends to listen to the people, and as Johann Wolfgang von Goethe wrote, "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
You're going to extremes. What's wrong with just enough social safety net for when people can't afford the things they really need but otherwise leaving people on their own?
As for health insurance, BAN it. It feeds on fear. If you are able to afford health care you should pay with your own money. If not then the government should cover you. By eliminating the health insurance industry prices for health care would drop & the gov. wouldn't have to cover that much.
@sicktoaster people could afford things before we had a fascist economy. until it is ended fewer and fewer people will be able to afford anything. what is wrong with a "safety net" is that it is a "maximum wage" law, preventing people from being able to afford insurance. before we had fascism we did not have this problem. a free people make more than enough to pay for everyone's health care cost.
The "maximum wage law" was a mistake. I am not in favor of "maximum wage".
You are thinking in terms of black and white. It is possible that some government regulations SUCK while others are needed to solve real problems. You don't have to be either for small government or big government. I am not. I am for good government. I know people disagree on what is and is not "good" but that's the way politics is. You can't have a utopia where everyone agrees on the...
@sicktoaster maximum wage is exactly what you propose, if one person has too much money in your opinion, they have to pay cash for medical care but are prohibited from buying insurance , and if some "can not afford" medical care they get to have it at the expense of other people, that is the government deciding how much money a person is allowed to have, if we ban government and employer "paid" insurance , everybody could afford to pay for it .
@halloranedward You obviously don't have a clue how much healthcare costs. There are millions of Americans who can't even afford insurance premiums let alone the high cost of healthcare treatment. Coming back with 'oh, but the freemarket will bring prices down". 1st off, healthcare is not a pair of jeans off a shelf, second, even if healthcare treatments dropped in half in a true free market system, it will still be out of reach for millions. Half of REALLY expensive is still REALLY expensive.
@MadHabber93 When you think of 1965 do you picture millions of starving people on the streets begging for food and handicapped people trying to drag themselves down the side walk? we never have had half as good of a healthcare system than when this was a capitalist country, fascism has done nothing but make healthcare, and everything else more expensive, and more inaccessible for everyone, and made everyone poorer and poorer. outlawing private healthcare will be the end of us.
@halloranedward A. There aren't Millions starving in the U.S. today. B. Handicaps WERE dragging themselves down the street, not to mention, most of them died by then. C. Healthcare is better now than at ANY other time, hence why we live longer by a country mile vs 1965 D. Healthcare is the MOST expensive in the country with the most private care...the U.S. E. Everything you claim is the exact OPPOSITE of what is actually true.
yeah healthcare is better because of more advanced tech, that's the main reason.. WE dont have "private" healthcare.. Todays system is insurance companies tun the show and goverment subsidies them.. Meaning tha they can jack up the price as much as they want because the goverent will pick up the tab.. same with education universities know they can jack up tutions cause the goverment will ALWAYS guarantee the loan.. You need to force to charge what the cunsomer can afford.. If we
@halloranedward In 1965 taxes were 91% at the top and union membership was at an all time high. We were at the furthest point away from "capitalism" then. If your definition of capitalism is of course fascism where business writes laws that directly favor their industry. Bain capital owns Hospital Corporation of America. The largest Hospital conglomerate in the nation. Since they've taken over healthcare costs have outpaced inflation 7:1. Party propaganda over truth only destroys th nation.
A public option is fine for the uninsured, as long as it's not subsidized for those who choose it-- i.e. they have to pay the ACTUAL COST if they are able to do so; and then they'll naturally choose private insurors because it will cost less in the private sector.
This way the government won't be able to force us into a single-payer system using our own tax-money to subsidize the public option.
Most people, when asked about the individual tenants of the affordable healthcare act (AKA Obamacare) people agree that they're good things. Like, preventing insurance companies from ditching paying members when they get sick or healthcare industry reform, spending control, repeal of insurance companies' exemption from anti-trust laws etc. Unfortunately most people have been misled and lied to about Obamacare. Search Wiki for this act, you'll see. It's sensible reform.
I am Canadian. I know our system of health care is not perfect, but what is? Health care for those who can only afford it is extremely detremental to any country, and further more, the insurance companies (specifically the health insurance) are destroying your country. With people ill, and unable to afford treatment, unable to work, and most importantly can't spend money to fund YOUR economy. Universal health care may cost more money, but you spend FAR less vs. just insurance
@Spjungen I think that when you say anything sensible to a fascist , they just hear a buzzing noise in their ears. How else do explain "we got to spread the wealth around" getting elected in the first place ?
Some wealth does need to be spread around. Not evenly, that would be extreme.
But to have any government at all that government has to be able to spend(and hence tax) money. Just by doing that that is literally "spreading the wealth around" no matter who the money is taxed from or given to.
@sicktoaster excellent question, if you will look up meaning of the words "capitalist" "socialist" "fascist" and "communist" you will see that socialism is the government controlling prices, in fascism (the system we have now in the US)the government prices, but allows property rights in communism you are not allowed to own any thing. so ...spending that does not take away commercial rights or property rights is capitalist, now do you understand?
Historically, "socialism" involved community or government control of property, not specifically having anything to do with pricing. "Fascism" involved "class collaboration" where a dictator would give special rights to big business in exchange for his 'right' to rule. "Communism" was an extreme form of socialism where everything was owned collectively except for personal items like your clothes or your toothbrush.
@sicktoaster you are incorrect on all counts, these words are in the dictionary, socialism is government controlling prices, not property, just prices, there are two kinds: fascism is socialism where you are allowed to own property, nothing to do with a dictatorship. communism is socialism where the government owns everything. nothing is owned "collectively" the people are slaves, there is no such thing as "partial capitalism" people have commercial freedom or not.
Dictionaries report on definitions they do not decide them. PEOPLE do. And in fields, EXPERTS and RELEVANT EVENTS do. "Socialism" was properly given its definition by the political philosophers that founded it and its history of how it was implemented.
If you just use the dictionary or just how the common person defines terms then terms get redefined so chaotically it becomes impossible to have a proper conversation on the subject. For the sake of an intelligent
@sicktoaster So the dictionaries are wrong and you are right ? How will any of us know what you are talking about if you are making up meanings to words as you go? when a liberal starts saying "I'm right, because I say so, nya nya nya nya nya." I have to assume he is getting close to getting it.
I never claimed infallibility for myself, but you treat the dictionary and its writers as infallible. I admit to being biased. Afterall I am a human and it is nature for human beings to be biased. I think we should all stop trying to be unbiased. It is an impossible endeavor.
Since my main field of interest is political science naturally I prefer those definitions that respect the actual development of lines of political thought and their real life effects...
@sicktoaster O.K. liar, you tell me what is the new name of 1) a system with property rights and commercial rights. 2) a system with property rights but not commercial rights 3) a system without property rights or commercial rights. and form now on everybody will use the words you made up for those systems will that make you happy liar ? if the entire English speaking world uses your new words than will you admit the truth ?
I don't claim special privilege to decide the words. I am saying that HISTORY decides what these words mean, NOT individuals, NOT groups, NOT the majority, NOT people in their everyday lives, HISTORY!
Communism REQUIRES a rhetoric aimed at equality, or it is by definition NOT communism. Read Marx, and you'll understand why that's an important part of the definition.
If everyone started using "asthma" to mean "a runny nose" that wouldn't justify considering the definition of "asthma" to then mean "a runny nose".
Similarly, words like "communism" have already been defined through history. You and the rest of humanity have no right to change their meanings just because you feel it. Doing that confuses general political debate. It makes it impossible to have an intelligent political discussion when sheer consensus is allowed...
What happened to respect for tradition? These words were used in the past and had meanings given to them in the past, meanings imparted by well thought out political theorists. And then ordinary people and careerist politicians take it upon themselves to use those words however they please and then when someone corrects them they get all defense like you are.
It's all thanks to democracy. Everyone feels entitled to just decide what ever they want with no respect to tradition or expert opinion. Would you have a hospital run by an election from the community? No, you would have it run by experts in hospital management. Similarly, our government should be run by political science experts, not by this sham of a system we call democracy.
It's been a race to the bottom from the start, and it keeps getting worse.
At least I have the Moon to look forward too. Perhaps, the best and the brightest will leave this giant cesspool of idiots behind and start a real society on the Moon and all the Earthling commoners can look up in envy.
I am not pro-communist. Communism failed, but only in part because the government tried to run everything. Mostly it was because their society was focused on trying to make everyone equal. Equality is a myth.
The government should not run everything, but government, good government does have a place. The reason government these days is so inefficient is that just anybody is allowed to run for office and make public policy, and the public willingly elects idiots.
...not the ones people writing dictionaries pick out.
Current practice is if something is in common use they will OK it. This is not the case for the natural sciences where experts are given deference and should not be the case with the social sciences. The reason we can't get anything done right in politics is because people are paying too much respect to however people use words in regards to politics, even if that person is uneducated on political things.
@sicktoaster O.K. liar, you tell me what is the new name of 1) a system with property rights and commercial rights. 2) a system with property rights but not commercial rights 3) a system without property rights or commercial rights. and form now on everybody will use the words you made up for those systems will that make you happy liar ? if the entire English speaking world uses your new words than will you admit the truth ?
The problem is this democracy bs about us all being equal. People are NOT equal. People have different talents and disabilities. Some people are better at understanding political science than other people, and instead of counting our opinions as equal to the village idiot they should be given special consideration. The political system as whole would work better if we had a scientific branch of government run by political experts.
@sicktoaster O.K. liar, you tell me what is the new name of 1) a system with property rights and commercial rights. 2) a system with property rights but not commercial rights 3) a system without property rights or commercial rights. and form now on everybody will use the words you made up for those systems will that make you happy liar ? if the entire English speaking world uses your new words than will you admit the truth ?
Since all people are biased the fashion of the day among the political scientist's social circle will always have some influence on their policies, so it should be part of a larger system of checks and balances, a scientific government branch that balances the other 3 democratic branches.
@sicktoaster O.K. liar, you tell me what is the new name of 1) a system with property rights and commercial rights. 2) a system with property rights but not commercial rights 3) a system without property rights or commercial rights. and form now on everybody will use the words you made up for those systems will that make you happy liar ? if the entire English speaking world uses your new words than will you admit the truth ?
...politics we should have a "political correctness" of sorts, NOT the ultraliberal, lovey-dovey, be careful not to offend sort of political correctness, I am talking about a proper and logically coherent POLITICAL GRAMMAR! If we had grammatical correctness in political speech based on the origins, history, and practice of political terms more intelligent political debate could be had and hence more intelligent public policy would result.
...whole you may freely exchange goods and services in the market, but it can still be capitalism with some government regulation and even some government-run programs, it just wouldn't be "laissez-faire capitalism".
@SovereignStatesman I know, you can't use reason with these people. capitalism is so simple that people who live out in the bush and haven't invented the wheel can understand it. but here in America it is like trying to teach calculus to a 6 year old.
It's NOT that simple. America never had a free market, and it's gotten LESS free over time after Nullification and Secession were suppressed.
So when you talk a free market, you have to admit this or else you're preaching the gospel to Al Queda.
Ron Paul talks about ending corporate welfare, but he doesn't dish it enough to earn their trust-- and if he did, they'd dish HIM for bashing Lincoln and Jackson.. so it's a kind of a brainwashed Catch-22.
American politics is fucked up. Too much government leads to the government controlling everything (with the extreme being dictatorship), but not enough government leads to private interests controlling everything. I'm getting the idea that the latter is what's happening in the US.
As for universal/social healthcare, Americans talk as if they're treading on new ground. Like someone mentioned below, just look to the European countries...
@Krommak you have it exactly opposite, private interest does not control anything . Do you think a company would ask government to give their competitors a monopoly? capitalism prevents inequality. our currant fascist system makes it mandatory.
Yes, government does have some bad regulations. I think it should be illegal, in fact unconstitutional for the government to buy land just to hand it over to private interests. That SCOTUS decision was a mistake. "Eminent Domain" was never intended to apply at that much of a stretch.
BUT that does not mean there are not necessary and proper things(remember that clause) for the government to do.
It should be limited, and we should defer to the Constitution...
...but your and Ron Paul's interpretation of how we should do that is extreme!
Have you ever heard of moderation or balance? Nothing taken to an extreme ever works out as intended. Extreme "equality" in the Soviet Union lead to a society where a rigid Communist Party hierarchy ruled over everybody. If the government tries to be "libertarian" one way or another it will defeat its own purpose, "liberty". That is what happens when you take things to extremes.
@sicktoaster no, liberty means freedom , and slavery means slavery, a slave is still a slave if you tell him he is free on Thursday nights as long as he does not leave the plantation.communism is not slavery because it is extreme it is slavery be cause there is no commercial rights or property rights.
How can people like this peace of shit!! no proof for universal healthcare has been beneficial? Bullshit look at European socialised medicare you stupid fuck.
Leaving Canada to go back to the US 'cos they have better health care? What planet is he from? I am a US citizen, 66 years old, and cannot return to Virginia because I would lose the affordable comprehensive health care here. He surely is a spokesman for some vested interests. Check this out: Italy, for example, will cover you if you take up residence there from day one! I know, I did it.
@kentucksoldiersson You are an idiot. He is a spokesman for LIBERTY! That's his vested interest. Enjoy you stay in Canada!! (One less ignoramus here. Now... if only the rest of the neocons and their communist brethren would pack up and leave..
@gkgreger Even though your posts were from 2 years ago, they are still true today. Deconstruct everything done with our healthcare system since 1973, when HMO's were brought into being and healthcare changed from a public good model into a profit-driven business model. Hill Burton and Medicare For All would solve our health care problems. Wall Street can pay for it with a FULL 1% securities transfer tax. Remove the taxable income cap on the FICA tax and zero the tax below poverty-level income
Occupy Banner! Occupy Banner! We are tired of CEOs making millions while everyday workers are earning the minimum wage. Banner Health is a behemoth that seeks to stretch every single penny from patient care. Peter Fine, CEO, makes thousands $ per hour, millions per year. A very profitable non-profit for CEO Peter. Stop the government handouts to Peter Fine. Research his public IRS tax year 2009, DLN# 93493316013240. Employer ID 45-0233470 Occupy Banner! Occupy Banner!
The US is the number one economic super power. Your media touts socialism as a compassionate solution but all it does is strip your economy like harvesting buds before fruit. Philanthropy is giving of what you earned. Socialism (disguised in words like progressiveness and liberalism) is steeling, or forcing others to give. It is unsustainable and explains the current status of euroland.
Freddie May etc was the result of Clinton forcing lenders to lend to people that should never have been given loans. Our political movement called the democratic party is a poor confused lot of socialists who think they can be compassionate by declaring class warfare on the productive working members of society.
Let's look at what's happening in the euro block. Socialism between countries. Only you guys could think of that great idea. Now your imploding and taking the US with you. I do my best to weed euro investment out of all my long-term holdings 'cause you guys are just socialists and everything about socialism equals poverty for all but the government. It's an unsustainable system because it destroys incentives for the productive.
NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR UK SYSTEM. My gf is a nurse practitioner in Canada. She pays $1,000/mo for medical and $1,000/mo for socialized auto ins. There's no competition, nothing to bring the cost down. She's effectively poor and would be absolutely banging over here. Your UK system pulls money from the economy before it has a change to grow and be utilized by the market (money multiplier affect). That's your GDP has been flat for so long and you dorks are so poor. Look at France
You ever been to France ? a real pretty place and a fantastic place to live. quality of life is not measured in dollars and cents. Come to the UK or France neither are poor nations and the standard of living is high.
Looks like Michael Moore documentaries and the liberals in congress have got all you sheep fooled into thinking that govt. takeover healthcare would provide better healthcare for us all.
@assym2006 No wonder you couldn't hold on to the tree, you're one of the weakest human beings to ever exist. Take care of yourself, and you'll be taken care of, otherwise you'll end up where you find yourself today.
so if you lose your job, and suddenly are unable to pa for your health insurance, and then (god forbid) someone in your family is diagnosed with some horrible, expensive to treat, disease, then I guess it is your fault you can't get them help. I hope this scenario doesn't happen for you, but if it did I think you would have a change of view on privatised health care for profit.
health care is good for you newbs............................. do you really enjoy the stupid system you have now? don't let the health care fat cats make you all think this is the end of the world
The concept of making health care being presented as other goods and services would be great but the problem is its not. We don't care how much health care costs because our insurance pays for it normally our insurance does therefore we don't shop around like we would for a car or even a gallon of milk. We go wherever the ambulance takes us or the closest emergency room to our home.
Typical conservatism. Full of fearmongering anecdotes and opinions, no evidence whatsoever. You only need to look at ANY other western country to see that this guy is full of shit.
I kinda liked Ron Paul up until this point. There are no examples of one good government run healthcare program? Were actaully the only modern Western country that doesnt have this. We are correspondingly unhealthier, less happy, and generally more fucked up then the rest of the modern war.
@TheJake4123 It's a basic formula. Pay for yourself, or pay for your neighbor. Pay based on what you need, or pay based on what your neighbor needs. Does your neighbor pay for your groceries? Does he pay for your Gas? Car? Mortgage? I expect my neighbor to pay for nothing, and I hope one day to not pay for anything for my neighbor. It's the only way to live in a perpetual society, that's full of rational and irrational beings. There's no bullshit, it's easy to understand. Value for Value
@TumisHumis Guess you don't want your neighbour to pay for the fire truck to come and put out your fire, or for the police to come and arrest the guy stealing shit from your house. I have the luxury of living in a country that has government funded health care. It's not perfect for sure, but I know that if i'm sick or broken I will get better and not have to worry about paying for it. You may have some of the best facilities in the states, too bad most people can't afford to use them.
@Marty2475 I don't often start fires in my home, and I can handle people stealing my things far better than the police. I can afford to use the facilities in my state, and they're only the best because the government hasn't devoured them. There's a difference between Living, and not dying that you don't seem to understand, but if you're ok with not dying, i'm glad you live in the country you do.
@TumisHumis Just wanted to point out that government funded programs are nothing to be affraid of. A society is judged by how well it treats its own. I'm sure your state has fine facilities to treat people, the problem is that not everyone has access to them. That is what a government run health care would fix. I believe someone shouldn't have to go into debt just because they get sick, and this scenario plays out far too often in the United States.
@Marty2475 The fact that they can't use the facilities is no one's problem but theirs, I don't give a damn how you want to judge my society. I'm not on the planet to make a nice history story for someone. Government run health care would take 1/6th of the private sector, and throw it in the wagon that is government. Once you have more people in the wagon than pulling it, your country collapses.
I pay my tax for health care which is used to treach the sick this week , next week when I am sick and they are back to work they pay for my health care. This system works, ithas worked well here in the UK for over 60 years.
@assym2006 You're wrong, you have the idea right, but when you need a liver transplant, lung transplant, heart surgery, cancer treatment (Anything that costs a substancial amount of money) You'll be placed on a list, and die. Or as an alternative, go to America, India, or Mexico to be treated (And pay for it) You won't see your fellow taxpayers paying for that. Believe me. It works for the sniffles, not for real problems.
the waiting lists are for only non life threatering things. The list for liver transplant, lung transplant etc are to find a oner which is the same every were. Cancer tratment and heart surgery are treated as and when needed. I have had 5 operations with the UK NHS 3 of them for life threatening condition (acedent prone childhood , falling out of tree etc) . I have always recived the treatment I need when I need it. Is it perfect no , no system is , better that the US ? YES.
@assym2006 Better than the U.S's? Let's see, I have health insurance because I purchased it. My wife was diagnoised with Type 2 Stage 1 Breast Cancer 9 months ago. We paid 5,000$ for roughly 3 Million dollars worth of surgery and chemotherapy. She beat cancer in less than 6 months due solely to my insurance, and if she lived anywhere else she'd have medicore surgery (just removal of tumor rather than all breast tissue) she wouldn't have gotten new ones, and her chemo would be administered.
in the UK I would pay NOTHING and would have got the same treatment. Some of the best teaching Hospitals in the world are in the UK. They lead the world in many treatments. You Insurance base system is a massive rip off.
@assym2006 you would pay nothing? You pay taxes every time you earn income that go directly to hospital bills. Beauracrats choose whether you live or die. I choose whether i live or die. I like my system, but enjoy yours.
my taxs are not high and doctors make the medical calls not Beauracrats. Dont believe all that hype you yanks have been saying about our system its just bullshit.
FYI I found my last pay slip and though you might like to know what wepay in the UK for our system. Last month my Social Insurance payment was 109.03 GBP (which is 175.304 USD at 1.60785 USD to the GBP)
So x12 = 2103.648 USD per year
this covers me and both my children
now my wife works so she also pays the same but is she did not work this would also cover her. This unlimited cover what we need we get.
@assym2006 You don't seem to understand that YOU CANT TURN NOTHING INTO SOMETHING. Regardless of whether or not your socialist insurance beauracrats failled you this year or next is not the question. Someone paid for all of your services, and that person was not you. That does not make sense, do you buy your neighbors groceries and wait for them to deliever yours? Living one aspect of your life this way is one too many (for me at least).
I have in fact bought groceries for my neighbour she was a old woman who had a hard time making ends meet once her husband died. I was happy to help her it was the right thing to do.
As to the NHS , so if out system is so bad how come it has work well for over 60 years ? Are you saying you would let people die just because they did not have money ?
@assym2006 I'm saying that you can mantain the status quo, up to a point. At that point, you go from everyone having some care (mediocre already) to NO ONE having care when your government collapses (Fiat Currency Inflation) No country in history has beat this, and only countries with privatized medicine will overcome it. The Fact is: If my government collapsed, i'd be ok. If your government collapsed, you'd probably die (at least have a much harder time). I like my choice better.
well the UK medical care is some of the best in the world , nothing mediocre about it. The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems puts the UK at 18th the USA at 37th.
As to the goverment you do know that they hve been people living in the land now known as the UK for at least 15,000 years right ? I think we will muddle though.
@assym2006 You're just absolutly beyond comprehension. "The World Health Organization" Those people are government affiliated, and have biased opinions. How could the U.S not be #1 in medicine? All the medicine is made here. Oh right, you let a bullshit organization tell you how great your government beauracracy is. Land and Government are too different things, i'm not saying your island will submerge under water, i'm saying your money and government aid will be worthless. Unlike mine.
no the USA does not make all the medicine far from it . As for the economy the USA is in a very bad situation right now far worse than ours. Your outlook is a very selfish one you care only for your self and these you know. Lets hope you never need the help that you are so happy to not give others.
@assym2006 Is this the arguement you want to have? U.S advances in medicine vs the U.K's? Just saying something doesn't make it true, so feel free to research it. America has made literally 90% of the advances in modern medicine, while only accounting for 4% of the world's population. No country comes close, the next 20 countries combined don't stack up. As I told you before, I have insurance that I pay for, so I don't have to worry about other people paying for me. You, however do.
@TumisHumis In USA my bill for 1 night hospital stay was... 40 000 dollars. As a person coming from Europe, I was SHOCKED. That amount is simply absurd and unpayable. I am not paying a CT scan that costs 8,000 dollars. Would you?!?
Historically, it has been BRITISH advancement that has laid the foundations for modern healthcare:
Penicillin, innoculations & vaccines, development in anaesthetics, combating infection, blood transfusion, plastic surgery, the development of modern nursing, public health, national insurance, and finally socialised medicine - ALL BRITISH - and this is just a few achievements!
@BasilFawlty4444 All of the advancements you cited were categories, categories in which the U.S has pushed medicine WAY FARTHER. Nationalized Insurance and Socialized Medicine are not achievements, quite the contrary in fact. You can't truely believe that the Brits advance medicine more, their schools don't come close to schools in the U.S.
@TumisHumis And you say this with what evidence, precisely, other than a blind belief that your country is better?
Find a book or a source, preferably by a university professor, and I'll look into it. But I don't accept that socialised medicine automatically means that.there is no advance. Britain has a large number of highly successful medical schools, and leading pharmaceutical companies such as Glaxo.
WE need to repeal Obamacare now. There will be no jobs until we do because no company can afford to hire anyone. No jobs = recession or depression. Its just a matter of time.
Oh just Shut up O B O M B M A just shut up and get your shit out of the White House just go home do us this one favor, where ever home is. Just GTFO now..
okay. I'm doing a college essay. My assignment asks me to list three suggestions that the public might have for healthcare reform. I already have two suggestions down, i just need one more... Any takers???????
@princessjoy007 Overturn the HMO act of 1973. This would remove the mandate that requires employers to provide coverage for employees. This would force insurance providers to compete for our business, rather than have have customers given to them on a silver platter.
@princessjoy007 Overturn the HMO act of 1973. This would remove the mandate that requires employers to provide coverage for employees. This would force insurance providers to compete for our business, rather than have have customers given to them on a silver platter.
and after the 3rd day of illnes, your boss get to pay you your average salary. it is called payed illness days, just like he pays you your holydays, isn't that great?
the funny thing is that they also give us more meds than we actually need, that is why, in every home, we have our own pharmacy of meds we've stocked from our last illness so somteimes we don't even have to go to the doc, not cause we can't afford it but because we still have the treatment ;), and 2 last things, if you're so ill u can't move, u can call up for a doc to come visit you (wich is slithly more expensive so u just do that in case of emergency)
by the way, meds aren't expensive either, you wanna why? well 1st we dont have insurance company making war to get the highest prices, they can't control meds prices, and they have to compete with the healthcare by providing the most at a lower price. So then, we have generic meds, wich are less expensive, and there again most of them will be covered both by the healthcare and you insurance company.
add to that, a day in a hospital is 70 euros, of wich 80% is paid, so its 14 of your pocket if you dont have an additional coverage (wich you usually do). then again it is not a communist country, you can choose, the doctor, the clinic, the hospital, and no if you're about to die you dont wait in lines (where does that come from), then of course if its not an emergency and you go to a fancy doc, u get an appoitment (rendez-vous we say) and the day of the procedure is fixed.
this doctor is lying, no canadians is coming to the US for health (that would be just plain stupid, to pay for a lesser quality), he just want to get richer.
in france, a doctor visit cost in fact 23 euros, of which 17 is paid by the healthcare system, and then if you have a private insurance, they pay the rest (and i pay only 30euros for them per month) so i can go the doc 20 times per month if i want, and even without i would pay 6 euros ;) and believe me docs here, are still rich.
Poor poor america, the more it goes the more it seems like watching the news of a poor dictatorial brainwashed country, hey by the way, your healthcare system improved, you're 37th now ahead of slovenia (38th), next you have to beat costa rica (36th) ;) here in france, we're number 1.... if you wanna get a free healthcare (and a good one) come to europe, thats all we can say.
@s3lfFish The only problem we have is that there's people in this country that want to emulate your nanny state. There's a reason you gave us the Statue of Liberty, we were the envy of the world for a freedom. I should also mention how amusing it is to me when French people criticize America, guess you guys forgot about how 60 years ago there was a swaztika flying from the Eifel tower and we came in and we had to save your ass.
@jdowfleetwood oh boy one again, look, freedom isn't where you think it is
for instance, in france you're covered anyway, and then you can choose an additional cover (cuz you're not entirely covered), you do pay for it but only from how much you make, so if you're poor you don't pay, if your middle, a bit, and if you're rich well yeah you pay more but well, you're still rich. and you can still choose whatever doctor you want. see freedom of choice, in the states if you're poor you just die
@s3lfFish our system is that the government forces employers to provide coverage. Before that, competition kept prices low and if you went for a routine visit you paid out of pocket without involving your insurance. Because we are basically forced to buy coverage, the costs have gone up and quality has gone down.
@jdowfleetwood you're kind of forgetting that it isnt the government that maid doctors salary up, and with it insurances, but wild mindless capitalism.but i do feel sorry though, i hope you'll make it ok, cause, here on the other side of the ocean, everyhtin is just fine (well not completly but at least for healthcare, and education, and food, and holydays, and ... ;)
@s3lfFish I guess your awesome French education didn't have a strong focus on reading comprehension, I already explained to you that it was the government forcing employers to provide insurance for their workers that drove the cost of healthcare in this country high.
@jdowfleetwood so tell me again, what freedom is it, die or get bankrupted? nice choice, looks to me like a trick or treat deal. besides what the point of bringing up the 2ww again, didn't u got kicked by the vietmanese, didn't u got blood everytime u make war for no reason (where were the weapons of mass destruction... oh yeah got it, somewhere in the oil raffinery ;) besides like you said there is a reason WE gave you the statue of liberty (maybe cuz we were the 1st to fight for it)
@s3lfFish Health insurance isn't a "right". We have the right to keep the money that we earn, and we have the right to buy healthcare with that money if we want. Thats a decision you can make within a free society. And I already explained to you how we could fix our system through removing government mandates and allowing capitalism to lower costs. And nothing you said was a response to my statement about us storming Normandy after you waived a white flag like typical French pussies to Germany.
@jdowfleetwood of course healthcare is a right, except you don't care if your own citizens die (wich is form our point fo view barbaric) your "ogh we have the right to keep our money" is stupid, when a group of hulman lives in a society, they have to share different things, how would you like to make firemans private, so next time if you don't have enough you can just burn up with youtr house, you don't even think at what you'r syain. besides you already have wild capitalism and its not workin
@s3lfFish Our Social Security system is insolvent, and your country had to raise the retirement age. Ever wonder why? Government is wastefull and inneficient. And having a fire department and police department provided through taxes isn't the same as destroying the free market healthcare system.
@jdowfleetwood of course it is the same, so its ok to save your ass when a thief comes up or when your ass burns, but to heal and save that same ass isn't the same? man you're a living nonsense. and you what i don't care, you can just die with your ass burned i really don't care, though its a shame that a country like youre still lives in such barbaric ages
@s3lfFish What is the point of arguing with someone if you are just going to ignore everything they say? We became the most powerfull country in the world because we are a free society. Our healthcare system was destroyed by our government. READ WHAT I SAY. IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND DO SO BY ACKNOWLEDGING MY POINTS.
i'll just leave you with wise words of one of your own president, and ttry to think again, about your police offeicers, firemans, and public school, cuz you"'r preachin for a terryfing world where only the very wealthy could afford to live, while others ould live in a jungle where a simple fever could kill you. sounds to me like you wanna get back to middle ages, good luck with that, meanwhile i'll enjoy 2011
@jdowfleetwood whatever, we're sitll ahaed of you, with a better healthcare. and i don't think it will disappear that easily, you'r forgetting that here the government fear the people, we may still go and cut some heads like in good old times if some jerk ever comes with brilliant ideas like yours.
@jdowfleetwood whatever, we're sitll ahaed of you, with a better healthcare. and i don't think it will disappear that easily, you'r forgetting that here the government fear the people, we may still go and cut some heads like in good old times if some jerk ever comes with brilliant ideas like yours.
@jdowfleetwood i'll just leave you with wise words of one of your own president, and ttry to think again, about your police offeicers, firemans, and public school, cuz you"'r preachin for a terryfing world where only the very wealthy could afford to live, while others ould live in a jungle where a simple fever could kill you. sounds to me like you wanna get back to middle ages, good luck with that, meanwhile i'll enjoy 2011
Medicaid is broke, social security is broke, the public school system is a fucking joke. The government has accumulated 14 trillion dollars in debt, the value of the dollar is at an all time low. Now we should give these incompetent morons the power to manage every facet of our health care system.
@Beartit69 The military in NOT government run. The military is a separate entity. There is a pre existing military budget in place, that liberal want to slash. We have spent 1 trillion dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan in 10 years, but our debt is 14 trillion. Obviously our debt is due to bankrupted social programs and excess spending on boondoggles.
@HaggenPagan26 No, based on your logic, the military is NOT a separate entity. The money comes from the taxpayer, and is run by the military itself. Which is gov't financed. Just like Medicaide(which is NOT gov't run either), just like other gov't financed ventures. They make no money, just suck the money.
One article pegs true costs of the Iraq at over 3 Trillion when factoring everything as well.
@Beartit69 You are a liar. You're Canadian and trying to educate an American about his own countries military. Is there an end to your arrogance? ONEEEEEE TRILLIONNNNN Dollars has been spent in both War numb nuts. Not 3 trillion. Secondly the military BUDGET is not managed by the Government. The Government does not decide what or how he military's budget is allocated. That is the job of qualified Generals and Admirals who graduated from West Point and Annapolis. You are dense.
@HaggenPagan26 And Medicaide's budget is NOT run by the gov't either Einstein. That's my point, it WORKS THE SAME WAY!!!!
And read the article sunshine instead of foaming at the mouth.
True, the gov't doesn't control the spending for the military, but it controls how much the military gets. The fact I'm Canadian doesn't change that fact. Its not arrogance dipshit.
Socialism unlike Libertarian capitalism or Stalinist communism is not an absolute it can have many manifestations from NAZISM (National Socialism) to its just as deadly direct opposite Stalinist Socialism in-between you have a wide variety of examples where many democratic capitalist nations include socialist programmes in their societies culture including the welfare programmes run by the US or individual States with in it but the US is not classed as a socialist country.
davijeph 1 week ago
@davijeph you have property rights in the U.S. so it is classified as a fascist country.
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward I'm I don't understand your comment why does a country having property rights mean its fascist? All none communist countries have property rights.
davijeph 1 week ago
@davijeph capitalism= property rights and commercial rights. socialism no commercial rights, fascism=socialism with property rights. communism=socialism without property rights. having the right to own property, but having the government control prices is called fascism.
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward I'm sorry but your explanations are far to simplistic to mean anything. Fascism as little to do with economic theory it was all about the self renewal of racial and cultural rebirth of the Nation. Mussolini and Hitler had little interest in economics but were only interested in the "purity" of their particular Nations. It had nothing as such to do with capitalism, socialism or communism. There is a massive difference between communist and todays meaning of the word socialist.
davijeph 1 week ago
@davijeph liar, just because you use the word "apple pie" does not mean that apples only occur in pie form, or that pies are only apple does it liar? fascism is the economic system where the government sets prices , but property can be owned. it does not mean racism does it liar? it has nothing to do with hitler does it liar? it was the economic system of the nazis but that does not mean that it is nazi does it liar? socialism is government set prices.
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward You obviously are to stupid to hold a conversation with. bye Bye.
davijeph 1 week ago
abolish goverment guaranteed loans tutions would COLLAPSE to 1-2 thousands dollars a semester at some schools and per years at others.. A summer job would be enough.
xMaXiMuSx 1 week ago
republicans are the biggest threat to capitalism and have been since the 1920's. They continually undermine the basic
regulatory foundations or markets. Marx talked about the symbiotic relationship between capitalism and governments.
Interstate commerce, patents, resource allocation boundries, etc.
ped200014 2 weeks ago
@ped200014 do you know the meaning of the words "capitalist" "fascist" and communist? do you know which of these systems has the workers owning the means of production?
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@halloranedward Yes, but you clearly don't. That's socialism. Which was designed as a means to communism. Communism was a means to erradicate government thus land ownership and classes. Like native americans for example. Ideally you can sell goods and services or have socialistic co-op's like Linux. You just couldn't horde land by means of govt tyranny and economic dictatorship of the elite thus forcing everyone else into a state of dependancy one being "wage slaves" for their survival.
ped200014 1 week ago
Erode those regulatory mechanisms the free market
erodes and collapses into economic dictatorships and monopolies. It isn't mere ineptitude of economics, it is much smarter
than anyone thinks and leftist arrogance not only masks it, but falls right into it's hands like lemmings when they cry
for more arbitrary regulation and socialistic control mechanisms. The very foundation they use to sell further fundemental
deregulatory schemes.
ped200014 2 weeks ago
They opened trade with communist nations, they sent mfg to communist nations, they castrated the FTC
allowing for big box, top-down retailers like wal-mart, autozone, home depot, etc to build vast warehouses of communist
goods and thus drive American small business out. They deregulated the SEC to "get government out of business" allowing
35:1 leveraging which created the 2000's economic bubble and ultimate collapse, they run massive records debts for the past
ped200014 2 weeks ago
3 decades, and they do everything in their power to take away any socialistic mechanisms to soften the blow of ever stagnation.
All in order to bring down free markets and make the people beg for communism like they did in post depression europe.
They speak the loudest against homosexuality while have 2-3 gay sex scandals a year, they cry for fiscal conservatism
while running record debt, they shout the loudest against communism while doing everything to undermine capitalism.
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C4L !
halloranedward 2 weeks ago
I do think the whole insurance industry ramps up the prices, which isn't good for anybody, so we should ban health insurance. If you can afford it pay for it yourself. If you can't afford it or would go seriously into debt or bankruptcy paying for it then the government should help you pay for it.
The whole health insurance industry is a giant casino. A few casinos are fine, but a casino industry that creates an environment that coerces people into gambling should be prohibited.
sicktoaster 4 weeks ago
People can't help it if they need health care.
I agree it shouldn't all be paid for by the government. But how about just for those who can't afford it like how we give food stamps to people who can't afford food?
You're more likely to find yourself in a situation where you can't afford health care treatment than food since health care needs often happen without any forewarning. Food needs are more predictable. The unpredictability of health care needs is why we need some social safety net.
sicktoaster 4 weeks ago
@sicktoaster the safety net is what caused the problem in the first place. fascist bureaucrats don't want jobs for poor people, because the would not need food stamps, so they close up businesses. they don't want poor people to have health insurance so they inflate the cost and close down charity hospitals, you heard the video, before we had medicare and medicaid, no one ever had to go without health care, and the government didn't pay for it.
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@halloranedward
You're right: democrats have the welfare-industry, and republicans have industrial welfare and the military-industrial complex.
It's simply an entrenched oligarchy that pretends to listen to the people, and as Johann Wolfgang von Goethe wrote, "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
@halloranedward
You're going to extremes. What's wrong with just enough social safety net for when people can't afford the things they really need but otherwise leaving people on their own?
As for health insurance, BAN it. It feeds on fear. If you are able to afford health care you should pay with your own money. If not then the government should cover you. By eliminating the health insurance industry prices for health care would drop & the gov. wouldn't have to cover that much.
sicktoaster 2 weeks ago
@sicktoaster people could afford things before we had a fascist economy. until it is ended fewer and fewer people will be able to afford anything. what is wrong with a "safety net" is that it is a "maximum wage" law, preventing people from being able to afford insurance. before we had fascism we did not have this problem. a free people make more than enough to pay for everyone's health care cost.
halloranedward 2 weeks ago
@halloranedward
The "maximum wage law" was a mistake. I am not in favor of "maximum wage".
You are thinking in terms of black and white. It is possible that some government regulations SUCK while others are needed to solve real problems. You don't have to be either for small government or big government. I am not. I am for good government. I know people disagree on what is and is not "good" but that's the way politics is. You can't have a utopia where everyone agrees on the...
sicktoaster 2 weeks ago
@sicktoaster maximum wage is exactly what you propose, if one person has too much money in your opinion, they have to pay cash for medical care but are prohibited from buying insurance , and if some "can not afford" medical care they get to have it at the expense of other people, that is the government deciding how much money a person is allowed to have, if we ban government and employer "paid" insurance , everybody could afford to pay for it .
halloranedward 2 weeks ago
@halloranedward You obviously don't have a clue how much healthcare costs. There are millions of Americans who can't even afford insurance premiums let alone the high cost of healthcare treatment. Coming back with 'oh, but the freemarket will bring prices down". 1st off, healthcare is not a pair of jeans off a shelf, second, even if healthcare treatments dropped in half in a true free market system, it will still be out of reach for millions. Half of REALLY expensive is still REALLY expensive.
MadHabber93 2 weeks ago
@MadHabber93 When you think of 1965 do you picture millions of starving people on the streets begging for food and handicapped people trying to drag themselves down the side walk? we never have had half as good of a healthcare system than when this was a capitalist country, fascism has done nothing but make healthcare, and everything else more expensive, and more inaccessible for everyone, and made everyone poorer and poorer. outlawing private healthcare will be the end of us.
halloranedward 2 weeks ago
@halloranedward A. There aren't Millions starving in the U.S. today. B. Handicaps WERE dragging themselves down the street, not to mention, most of them died by then. C. Healthcare is better now than at ANY other time, hence why we live longer by a country mile vs 1965 D. Healthcare is the MOST expensive in the country with the most private care...the U.S. E. Everything you claim is the exact OPPOSITE of what is actually true.
MadHabber93 2 weeks ago
@MadHabber93
yeah healthcare is better because of more advanced tech, that's the main reason.. WE dont have "private" healthcare.. Todays system is insurance companies tun the show and goverment subsidies them.. Meaning tha they can jack up the price as much as they want because the goverent will pick up the tab.. same with education universities know they can jack up tutions cause the goverment will ALWAYS guarantee the loan.. You need to force to charge what the cunsomer can afford.. If we
xMaXiMuSx 1 week ago
@xMaXiMuSx thank you.
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@halloranedward In 1965 taxes were 91% at the top and union membership was at an all time high. We were at the furthest point away from "capitalism" then. If your definition of capitalism is of course fascism where business writes laws that directly favor their industry. Bain capital owns Hospital Corporation of America. The largest Hospital conglomerate in the nation. Since they've taken over healthcare costs have outpaced inflation 7:1. Party propaganda over truth only destroys th nation.
ped200014 1 week ago
@halloranedward
I think a maximum wage law would not do us any good.
Making people pay cash for medical care is not the same exact policy as a maximum wage law.
The problem with extremists is that take the things they don't like and conflate all of them as if they were exactly the same.
Maximum wage laws are maximum wage laws.
Laws against health insurance are laws against health insurance.
Question: Do you object to having government-run policing and fire department services?
sicktoaster 2 weeks ago
@halloranedward
correct way of doing/not doing things. Politics will always be a process of evolution.
Arguing for extremes like "slash all government regulation" or "put all private enterprise under government control" is going to get us nowhere.
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@sicktoaster
A public option is fine for the uninsured, as long as it's not subsidized for those who choose it-- i.e. they have to pay the ACTUAL COST if they are able to do so; and then they'll naturally choose private insurors because it will cost less in the private sector.
This way the government won't be able to force us into a single-payer system using our own tax-money to subsidize the public option.
SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
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Most people, when asked about the individual tenants of the affordable healthcare act (AKA Obamacare) people agree that they're good things. Like, preventing insurance companies from ditching paying members when they get sick or healthcare industry reform, spending control, repeal of insurance companies' exemption from anti-trust laws etc. Unfortunately most people have been misled and lied to about Obamacare. Search Wiki for this act, you'll see. It's sensible reform.
zzsql 1 month ago
Good Morning,
I am Canadian. I know our system of health care is not perfect, but what is? Health care for those who can only afford it is extremely detremental to any country, and further more, the insurance companies (specifically the health insurance) are destroying your country. With people ill, and unable to afford treatment, unable to work, and most importantly can't spend money to fund YOUR economy. Universal health care may cost more money, but you spend FAR less vs. just insurance
pharbizorg 1 month ago
@pharbizorg You obviously haven't heard a thing he said in the video.
Spjungen 1 month ago
@Spjungen I think that when you say anything sensible to a fascist , they just hear a buzzing noise in their ears. How else do explain "we got to spread the wealth around" getting elected in the first place ?
halloranedward 2 weeks ago
@halloranedward
Some wealth does need to be spread around. Not evenly, that would be extreme.
But to have any government at all that government has to be able to spend(and hence tax) money. Just by doing that that is literally "spreading the wealth around" no matter who the money is taxed from or given to.
sicktoaster 2 weeks ago
@sicktoaster taxing and spending on government projects is not necessarily socialist, socialist spending is socialist.
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward
How do you determine which taxing and spending is socialist and which taxing and spending is not?
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@sicktoaster excellent question, if you will look up meaning of the words "capitalist" "socialist" "fascist" and "communist" you will see that socialism is the government controlling prices, in fascism (the system we have now in the US)the government prices, but allows property rights in communism you are not allowed to own any thing. so ...spending that does not take away commercial rights or property rights is capitalist, now do you understand?
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward
Historically, "socialism" involved community or government control of property, not specifically having anything to do with pricing. "Fascism" involved "class collaboration" where a dictator would give special rights to big business in exchange for his 'right' to rule. "Communism" was an extreme form of socialism where everything was owned collectively except for personal items like your clothes or your toothbrush.
And "Capitalism" is just a system where on the..
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@sicktoaster you are incorrect on all counts, these words are in the dictionary, socialism is government controlling prices, not property, just prices, there are two kinds: fascism is socialism where you are allowed to own property, nothing to do with a dictatorship. communism is socialism where the government owns everything. nothing is owned "collectively" the people are slaves, there is no such thing as "partial capitalism" people have commercial freedom or not.
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward
Dictionaries report on definitions they do not decide them. PEOPLE do. And in fields, EXPERTS and RELEVANT EVENTS do. "Socialism" was properly given its definition by the political philosophers that founded it and its history of how it was implemented.
If you just use the dictionary or just how the common person defines terms then terms get redefined so chaotically it becomes impossible to have a proper conversation on the subject. For the sake of an intelligent
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@sicktoaster So the dictionaries are wrong and you are right ? How will any of us know what you are talking about if you are making up meanings to words as you go? when a liberal starts saying "I'm right, because I say so, nya nya nya nya nya." I have to assume he is getting close to getting it.
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward
I never claimed infallibility for myself, but you treat the dictionary and its writers as infallible. I admit to being biased. Afterall I am a human and it is nature for human beings to be biased. I think we should all stop trying to be unbiased. It is an impossible endeavor.
Since my main field of interest is political science naturally I prefer those definitions that respect the actual development of lines of political thought and their real life effects...
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@sicktoaster O.K. liar, you tell me what is the new name of 1) a system with property rights and commercial rights. 2) a system with property rights but not commercial rights 3) a system without property rights or commercial rights. and form now on everybody will use the words you made up for those systems will that make you happy liar ? if the entire English speaking world uses your new words than will you admit the truth ?
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward
I don't claim special privilege to decide the words. I am saying that HISTORY decides what these words mean, NOT individuals, NOT groups, NOT the majority, NOT people in their everyday lives, HISTORY!
Communism REQUIRES a rhetoric aimed at equality, or it is by definition NOT communism. Read Marx, and you'll understand why that's an important part of the definition.
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@halloranedward
If everyone started using "asthma" to mean "a runny nose" that wouldn't justify considering the definition of "asthma" to then mean "a runny nose".
Similarly, words like "communism" have already been defined through history. You and the rest of humanity have no right to change their meanings just because you feel it. Doing that confuses general political debate. It makes it impossible to have an intelligent political discussion when sheer consensus is allowed...
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@halloranedward
...to redefine words.
What happened to respect for tradition? These words were used in the past and had meanings given to them in the past, meanings imparted by well thought out political theorists. And then ordinary people and careerist politicians take it upon themselves to use those words however they please and then when someone corrects them they get all defense like you are.
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@halloranedward
It's all thanks to democracy. Everyone feels entitled to just decide what ever they want with no respect to tradition or expert opinion. Would you have a hospital run by an election from the community? No, you would have it run by experts in hospital management. Similarly, our government should be run by political science experts, not by this sham of a system we call democracy.
It's been a race to the bottom from the start, and it keeps getting worse.
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@halloranedward
At least I have the Moon to look forward too. Perhaps, the best and the brightest will leave this giant cesspool of idiots behind and start a real society on the Moon and all the Earthling commoners can look up in envy.
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@halloranedward
I am not pro-communist. Communism failed, but only in part because the government tried to run everything. Mostly it was because their society was focused on trying to make everyone equal. Equality is a myth.
The government should not run everything, but government, good government does have a place. The reason government these days is so inefficient is that just anybody is allowed to run for office and make public policy, and the public willingly elects idiots.
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@halloranedward
...not the ones people writing dictionaries pick out.
Current practice is if something is in common use they will OK it. This is not the case for the natural sciences where experts are given deference and should not be the case with the social sciences. The reason we can't get anything done right in politics is because people are paying too much respect to however people use words in regards to politics, even if that person is uneducated on political things.
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@sicktoaster O.K. liar, you tell me what is the new name of 1) a system with property rights and commercial rights. 2) a system with property rights but not commercial rights 3) a system without property rights or commercial rights. and form now on everybody will use the words you made up for those systems will that make you happy liar ? if the entire English speaking world uses your new words than will you admit the truth ?
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward
The problem is this democracy bs about us all being equal. People are NOT equal. People have different talents and disabilities. Some people are better at understanding political science than other people, and instead of counting our opinions as equal to the village idiot they should be given special consideration. The political system as whole would work better if we had a scientific branch of government run by political experts.
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@sicktoaster O.K. liar, you tell me what is the new name of 1) a system with property rights and commercial rights. 2) a system with property rights but not commercial rights 3) a system without property rights or commercial rights. and form now on everybody will use the words you made up for those systems will that make you happy liar ? if the entire English speaking world uses your new words than will you admit the truth ?
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward
Since all people are biased the fashion of the day among the political scientist's social circle will always have some influence on their policies, so it should be part of a larger system of checks and balances, a scientific government branch that balances the other 3 democratic branches.
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@sicktoaster O.K. liar, you tell me what is the new name of 1) a system with property rights and commercial rights. 2) a system with property rights but not commercial rights 3) a system without property rights or commercial rights. and form now on everybody will use the words you made up for those systems will that make you happy liar ? if the entire English speaking world uses your new words than will you admit the truth ?
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward
...politics we should have a "political correctness" of sorts, NOT the ultraliberal, lovey-dovey, be careful not to offend sort of political correctness, I am talking about a proper and logically coherent POLITICAL GRAMMAR! If we had grammatical correctness in political speech based on the origins, history, and practice of political terms more intelligent political debate could be had and hence more intelligent public policy would result.
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@halloranedward
...whole you may freely exchange goods and services in the market, but it can still be capitalism with some government regulation and even some government-run programs, it just wouldn't be "laissez-faire capitalism".
sicktoaster 1 week ago
@pharbizorg
By that logic, everyone should eat in soup-kitchens since some people can't afford food.
Geezus Ka-riced!
SovereignStatesman 4 weeks ago
@SovereignStatesman I know, you can't use reason with these people. capitalism is so simple that people who live out in the bush and haven't invented the wheel can understand it. but here in America it is like trying to teach calculus to a 6 year old.
halloranedward 2 weeks ago
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@halloranedward
It's NOT that simple. America never had a free market, and it's gotten LESS free over time after Nullification and Secession were suppressed.
So when you talk a free market, you have to admit this or else you're preaching the gospel to Al Queda.
Ron Paul talks about ending corporate welfare, but he doesn't dish it enough to earn their trust-- and if he did, they'd dish HIM for bashing Lincoln and Jackson.. so it's a kind of a brainwashed Catch-22.
SovereignStatesman 2 weeks ago
WOLFOWITZ DEBATE QUESTION UGH
RON NEVER SAID LEAVE HIM TO DIE, THESE WORDS WERE INTRODUCED UNNECESSARILY BY THIS PIECE OF SHIT WOLF WHO ASKED THE QUESTION IN THIS WAY
IT IS NOT EVEN DIGNIFIED TO ASK SUCH A QUESTION !!!
ONE SHOULD ASK RON PAUL WHAT WOULD HE SUGGEST AS A SOLUTION
YOU THINK RON WILL SAY "LET HIM DIE??
IS THAT WHAT YOU PRESSTITUTE MEDIA R UPTO AGAIN??
ALSO THIS GUY WILL SAVE ON TAXES IF RON WINS SO HE CAN PUT HALF OF THAT IN HEALTHCARE, OR SOMEONE LOVES HIM TO CARE OF HIM
ashwadhwani 1 month ago
American politics is fucked up. Too much government leads to the government controlling everything (with the extreme being dictatorship), but not enough government leads to private interests controlling everything. I'm getting the idea that the latter is what's happening in the US.
As for universal/social healthcare, Americans talk as if they're treading on new ground. Like someone mentioned below, just look to the European countries...
Krommak 2 months ago
@Krommak you have it exactly opposite, private interest does not control anything . Do you think a company would ask government to give their competitors a monopoly? capitalism prevents inequality. our currant fascist system makes it mandatory.
halloranedward 2 weeks ago
@halloranedward
Yes, government does have some bad regulations. I think it should be illegal, in fact unconstitutional for the government to buy land just to hand it over to private interests. That SCOTUS decision was a mistake. "Eminent Domain" was never intended to apply at that much of a stretch.
BUT that does not mean there are not necessary and proper things(remember that clause) for the government to do.
It should be limited, and we should defer to the Constitution...
sicktoaster 2 weeks ago
@halloranedward
...but your and Ron Paul's interpretation of how we should do that is extreme!
Have you ever heard of moderation or balance? Nothing taken to an extreme ever works out as intended. Extreme "equality" in the Soviet Union lead to a society where a rigid Communist Party hierarchy ruled over everybody. If the government tries to be "libertarian" one way or another it will defeat its own purpose, "liberty". That is what happens when you take things to extremes.
sicktoaster 2 weeks ago
@sicktoaster no, liberty means freedom , and slavery means slavery, a slave is still a slave if you tell him he is free on Thursday nights as long as he does not leave the plantation.communism is not slavery because it is extreme it is slavery be cause there is no commercial rights or property rights.
halloranedward 1 week ago
@halloranedward
Communism is "slavery" because everyone is effectively the property of the communist party.
Having some government-run programs does NOT mean communism or slavery.
sicktoaster 1 week ago
Sorry Ron Paul, your wrong on this one.
opszanski 2 months ago
How can people like this peace of shit!! no proof for universal healthcare has been beneficial? Bullshit look at European socialised medicare you stupid fuck.
ray4ix 2 months ago
Leaving Canada to go back to the US 'cos they have better health care? What planet is he from? I am a US citizen, 66 years old, and cannot return to Virginia because I would lose the affordable comprehensive health care here. He surely is a spokesman for some vested interests. Check this out: Italy, for example, will cover you if you take up residence there from day one! I know, I did it.
kentucksoldiersson 2 months ago
@kentucksoldiersson You are an idiot. He is a spokesman for LIBERTY! That's his vested interest. Enjoy you stay in Canada!! (One less ignoramus here. Now... if only the rest of the neocons and their communist brethren would pack up and leave..
jikksma 2 months ago
@jikksma FU
kentucksoldiersson 2 months ago
@gkgreger Even though your posts were from 2 years ago, they are still true today. Deconstruct everything done with our healthcare system since 1973, when HMO's were brought into being and healthcare changed from a public good model into a profit-driven business model. Hill Burton and Medicare For All would solve our health care problems. Wall Street can pay for it with a FULL 1% securities transfer tax. Remove the taxable income cap on the FICA tax and zero the tax below poverty-level income
InfiniteMushroom 2 months ago
Occupy Banner! Occupy Banner! We are tired of CEOs making millions while everyday workers are earning the minimum wage. Banner Health is a behemoth that seeks to stretch every single penny from patient care. Peter Fine, CEO, makes thousands $ per hour, millions per year. A very profitable non-profit for CEO Peter. Stop the government handouts to Peter Fine. Research his public IRS tax year 2009, DLN# 93493316013240. Employer ID 45-0233470 Occupy Banner! Occupy Banner!
RNVickie1 2 months ago
Did you just tell me your economy is doing better while the euro block is crumbling? You're an idiot!
seananon2000 2 months ago
The US is the number one economic super power. Your media touts socialism as a compassionate solution but all it does is strip your economy like harvesting buds before fruit. Philanthropy is giving of what you earned. Socialism (disguised in words like progressiveness and liberalism) is steeling, or forcing others to give. It is unsustainable and explains the current status of euroland.
seananon2000 2 months ago
@seananon2000 Hmmm... which is why the European Union has a GDP larger than the United States.
Let's face it, consider the EU as one political unit and there is nothing comprable.
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
Freddie May etc was the result of Clinton forcing lenders to lend to people that should never have been given loans. Our political movement called the democratic party is a poor confused lot of socialists who think they can be compassionate by declaring class warfare on the productive working members of society.
seananon2000 2 months ago
Let's look at what's happening in the euro block. Socialism between countries. Only you guys could think of that great idea. Now your imploding and taking the US with you. I do my best to weed euro investment out of all my long-term holdings 'cause you guys are just socialists and everything about socialism equals poverty for all but the government. It's an unsustainable system because it destroys incentives for the productive.
seananon2000 2 months ago
@seananon2000
one) what is happing now is just a continuation of the housing matchet inpoltion that YOU guys started (remember fanny mach etc)
2) the UK does not use the EURO.
3) The EURO is not as bad as your media especially CNN are making out. The US economy is in a far worse state
3) If being socialists mean that we help people and don´t let them died just because they have no money then I am socialists and proud of it.
assym2006 2 months ago
NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR UK SYSTEM. My gf is a nurse practitioner in Canada. She pays $1,000/mo for medical and $1,000/mo for socialized auto ins. There's no competition, nothing to bring the cost down. She's effectively poor and would be absolutely banging over here. Your UK system pulls money from the economy before it has a change to grow and be utilized by the market (money multiplier affect). That's your GDP has been flat for so long and you dorks are so poor. Look at France
seananon2000 2 months ago
@seananon2000
You ever been to France ? a real pretty place and a fantastic place to live. quality of life is not measured in dollars and cents. Come to the UK or France neither are poor nations and the standard of living is high.
assym2006 2 months ago
Looks like Michael Moore documentaries and the liberals in congress have got all you sheep fooled into thinking that govt. takeover healthcare would provide better healthcare for us all.
anonymousguitarguy 2 months ago
@anonymousguitarguy
it would
assym2006 2 months ago
@assym2006 No wonder you couldn't hold on to the tree, you're one of the weakest human beings to ever exist. Take care of yourself, and you'll be taken care of, otherwise you'll end up where you find yourself today.
TumisHumis 2 months ago
@TumisHumis
lol , 10 years army , 2 transatlantic sailing crossings I have seen and done plenty.
assym2006 2 months ago
so if you lose your job, and suddenly are unable to pa for your health insurance, and then (god forbid) someone in your family is diagnosed with some horrible, expensive to treat, disease, then I guess it is your fault you can't get them help. I hope this scenario doesn't happen for you, but if it did I think you would have a change of view on privatised health care for profit.
Marty2475 3 months ago
health care is good for you newbs............................. do you really enjoy the stupid system you have now? don't let the health care fat cats make you all think this is the end of the world
Filo011 3 months ago
The concept of making health care being presented as other goods and services would be great but the problem is its not. We don't care how much health care costs because our insurance pays for it normally our insurance does therefore we don't shop around like we would for a car or even a gallon of milk. We go wherever the ambulance takes us or the closest emergency room to our home.
allthenames1986 3 months ago
Typical conservatism. Full of fearmongering anecdotes and opinions, no evidence whatsoever. You only need to look at ANY other western country to see that this guy is full of shit.
13ninjapirate 4 months ago
I kinda liked Ron Paul up until this point. There are no examples of one good government run healthcare program? Were actaully the only modern Western country that doesnt have this. We are correspondingly unhealthier, less happy, and generally more fucked up then the rest of the modern war.
TheJake4123 4 months ago
@TheJake4123 It's a basic formula. Pay for yourself, or pay for your neighbor. Pay based on what you need, or pay based on what your neighbor needs. Does your neighbor pay for your groceries? Does he pay for your Gas? Car? Mortgage? I expect my neighbor to pay for nothing, and I hope one day to not pay for anything for my neighbor. It's the only way to live in a perpetual society, that's full of rational and irrational beings. There's no bullshit, it's easy to understand. Value for Value
TumisHumis 4 months ago
@TumisHumis Guess you don't want your neighbour to pay for the fire truck to come and put out your fire, or for the police to come and arrest the guy stealing shit from your house. I have the luxury of living in a country that has government funded health care. It's not perfect for sure, but I know that if i'm sick or broken I will get better and not have to worry about paying for it. You may have some of the best facilities in the states, too bad most people can't afford to use them.
Marty2475 3 months ago
@Marty2475 I don't often start fires in my home, and I can handle people stealing my things far better than the police. I can afford to use the facilities in my state, and they're only the best because the government hasn't devoured them. There's a difference between Living, and not dying that you don't seem to understand, but if you're ok with not dying, i'm glad you live in the country you do.
TumisHumis 3 months ago
@TumisHumis Just wanted to point out that government funded programs are nothing to be affraid of. A society is judged by how well it treats its own. I'm sure your state has fine facilities to treat people, the problem is that not everyone has access to them. That is what a government run health care would fix. I believe someone shouldn't have to go into debt just because they get sick, and this scenario plays out far too often in the United States.
Marty2475 3 months ago
@Marty2475 The fact that they can't use the facilities is no one's problem but theirs, I don't give a damn how you want to judge my society. I'm not on the planet to make a nice history story for someone. Government run health care would take 1/6th of the private sector, and throw it in the wagon that is government. Once you have more people in the wagon than pulling it, your country collapses.
TumisHumis 3 months ago
@TumisHumis
no your wrong.
I pay my tax for health care which is used to treach the sick this week , next week when I am sick and they are back to work they pay for my health care. This system works, ithas worked well here in the UK for over 60 years.
assym2006 2 months ago
@assym2006 You're wrong, you have the idea right, but when you need a liver transplant, lung transplant, heart surgery, cancer treatment (Anything that costs a substancial amount of money) You'll be placed on a list, and die. Or as an alternative, go to America, India, or Mexico to be treated (And pay for it) You won't see your fellow taxpayers paying for that. Believe me. It works for the sniffles, not for real problems.
TumisHumis 2 months ago
@TumisHumis
the waiting lists are for only non life threatering things. The list for liver transplant, lung transplant etc are to find a oner which is the same every were. Cancer tratment and heart surgery are treated as and when needed. I have had 5 operations with the UK NHS 3 of them for life threatening condition (acedent prone childhood , falling out of tree etc) . I have always recived the treatment I need when I need it. Is it perfect no , no system is , better that the US ? YES.
assym2006 2 months ago
@assym2006 Better than the U.S's? Let's see, I have health insurance because I purchased it. My wife was diagnoised with Type 2 Stage 1 Breast Cancer 9 months ago. We paid 5,000$ for roughly 3 Million dollars worth of surgery and chemotherapy. She beat cancer in less than 6 months due solely to my insurance, and if she lived anywhere else she'd have medicore surgery (just removal of tumor rather than all breast tissue) she wouldn't have gotten new ones, and her chemo would be administered.
TumisHumis 2 months ago
@TumisHumis
in the UK I would pay NOTHING and would have got the same treatment. Some of the best teaching Hospitals in the world are in the UK. They lead the world in many treatments. You Insurance base system is a massive rip off.
assym2006 2 months ago
@assym2006 you would pay nothing? You pay taxes every time you earn income that go directly to hospital bills. Beauracrats choose whether you live or die. I choose whether i live or die. I like my system, but enjoy yours.
TumisHumis 2 months ago
@TumisHumis
my taxs are not high and doctors make the medical calls not Beauracrats. Dont believe all that hype you yanks have been saying about our system its just bullshit.
assym2006 2 months ago
@TumisHumis
FYI I found my last pay slip and though you might like to know what wepay in the UK for our system. Last month my Social Insurance payment was 109.03 GBP (which is 175.304 USD at 1.60785 USD to the GBP)
So x12 = 2103.648 USD per year
this covers me and both my children
now my wife works so she also pays the same but is she did not work this would also cover her. This unlimited cover what we need we get.
assym2006 2 months ago
@assym2006 You don't seem to understand that YOU CANT TURN NOTHING INTO SOMETHING. Regardless of whether or not your socialist insurance beauracrats failled you this year or next is not the question. Someone paid for all of your services, and that person was not you. That does not make sense, do you buy your neighbors groceries and wait for them to deliever yours? Living one aspect of your life this way is one too many (for me at least).
TumisHumis 2 months ago
@TumisHumis
I have in fact bought groceries for my neighbour she was a old woman who had a hard time making ends meet once her husband died. I was happy to help her it was the right thing to do.
As to the NHS , so if out system is so bad how come it has work well for over 60 years ? Are you saying you would let people die just because they did not have money ?
assym2006 2 months ago
@assym2006 I'm saying that you can mantain the status quo, up to a point. At that point, you go from everyone having some care (mediocre already) to NO ONE having care when your government collapses (Fiat Currency Inflation) No country in history has beat this, and only countries with privatized medicine will overcome it. The Fact is: If my government collapsed, i'd be ok. If your government collapsed, you'd probably die (at least have a much harder time). I like my choice better.
TumisHumis 2 months ago
@TumisHumis
well the UK medical care is some of the best in the world , nothing mediocre about it. The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems puts the UK at 18th the USA at 37th.
As to the goverment you do know that they hve been people living in the land now known as the UK for at least 15,000 years right ? I think we will muddle though.
assym2006 2 months ago
@assym2006 You're just absolutly beyond comprehension. "The World Health Organization" Those people are government affiliated, and have biased opinions. How could the U.S not be #1 in medicine? All the medicine is made here. Oh right, you let a bullshit organization tell you how great your government beauracracy is. Land and Government are too different things, i'm not saying your island will submerge under water, i'm saying your money and government aid will be worthless. Unlike mine.
TumisHumis 2 months ago
@TumisHumis
no the USA does not make all the medicine far from it . As for the economy the USA is in a very bad situation right now far worse than ours. Your outlook is a very selfish one you care only for your self and these you know. Lets hope you never need the help that you are so happy to not give others.
assym2006 2 months ago
@assym2006 Is this the arguement you want to have? U.S advances in medicine vs the U.K's? Just saying something doesn't make it true, so feel free to research it. America has made literally 90% of the advances in modern medicine, while only accounting for 4% of the world's population. No country comes close, the next 20 countries combined don't stack up. As I told you before, I have insurance that I pay for, so I don't have to worry about other people paying for me. You, however do.
TumisHumis 2 months ago
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@TumisHumis In USA my bill for 1 night hospital stay was... 40 000 dollars. As a person coming from Europe, I was SHOCKED. That amount is simply absurd and unpayable. I am not paying a CT scan that costs 8,000 dollars. Would you?!?
Tihbialdunav 2 months ago
@TumisHumis That is rubbish.
Historically, it has been BRITISH advancement that has laid the foundations for modern healthcare:
Penicillin, innoculations & vaccines, development in anaesthetics, combating infection, blood transfusion, plastic surgery, the development of modern nursing, public health, national insurance, and finally socialised medicine - ALL BRITISH - and this is just a few achievements!
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
@BasilFawlty4444 All of the advancements you cited were categories, categories in which the U.S has pushed medicine WAY FARTHER. Nationalized Insurance and Socialized Medicine are not achievements, quite the contrary in fact. You can't truely believe that the Brits advance medicine more, their schools don't come close to schools in the U.S.
TumisHumis 2 months ago
@TumisHumis And you say this with what evidence, precisely, other than a blind belief that your country is better?
Find a book or a source, preferably by a university professor, and I'll look into it. But I don't accept that socialised medicine automatically means that.there is no advance. Britain has a large number of highly successful medical schools, and leading pharmaceutical companies such as Glaxo.
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
@assym2006 Right, right on!
kentucksoldiersson 2 months ago
WE need to repeal Obamacare now. There will be no jobs until we do because no company can afford to hire anyone. No jobs = recession or depression. Its just a matter of time.
fastbassman 4 months ago
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RON PAUL 2012!
eyestepback 4 months ago
Oh just Shut up O B O M B M A just shut up and get your shit out of the White House just go home do us this one favor, where ever home is. Just GTFO now..
johnnycmajor 4 months ago
okay. I'm doing a college essay. My assignment asks me to list three suggestions that the public might have for healthcare reform. I already have two suggestions down, i just need one more... Any takers???????
princessjoy007 4 months ago
@princessjoy007 Overturn the HMO act of 1973. This would remove the mandate that requires employers to provide coverage for employees. This would force insurance providers to compete for our business, rather than have have customers given to them on a silver platter.
jdowfleetwood 4 months ago
@princessjoy007 Overturn the HMO act of 1973. This would remove the mandate that requires employers to provide coverage for employees. This would force insurance providers to compete for our business, rather than have have customers given to them on a silver platter.
jdowfleetwood 4 months ago
@jdowfleetwood thanks love!!!. you've been a great help
princessjoy007 4 months ago
and after the 3rd day of illnes, your boss get to pay you your average salary. it is called payed illness days, just like he pays you your holydays, isn't that great?
s3lfFish 4 months ago
the funny thing is that they also give us more meds than we actually need, that is why, in every home, we have our own pharmacy of meds we've stocked from our last illness so somteimes we don't even have to go to the doc, not cause we can't afford it but because we still have the treatment ;), and 2 last things, if you're so ill u can't move, u can call up for a doc to come visit you (wich is slithly more expensive so u just do that in case of emergency)
s3lfFish 4 months ago
by the way, meds aren't expensive either, you wanna why? well 1st we dont have insurance company making war to get the highest prices, they can't control meds prices, and they have to compete with the healthcare by providing the most at a lower price. So then, we have generic meds, wich are less expensive, and there again most of them will be covered both by the healthcare and you insurance company.
s3lfFish 4 months ago
add to that, a day in a hospital is 70 euros, of wich 80% is paid, so its 14 of your pocket if you dont have an additional coverage (wich you usually do). then again it is not a communist country, you can choose, the doctor, the clinic, the hospital, and no if you're about to die you dont wait in lines (where does that come from), then of course if its not an emergency and you go to a fancy doc, u get an appoitment (rendez-vous we say) and the day of the procedure is fixed.
s3lfFish 4 months ago
this doctor is lying, no canadians is coming to the US for health (that would be just plain stupid, to pay for a lesser quality), he just want to get richer.
in france, a doctor visit cost in fact 23 euros, of which 17 is paid by the healthcare system, and then if you have a private insurance, they pay the rest (and i pay only 30euros for them per month) so i can go the doc 20 times per month if i want, and even without i would pay 6 euros ;) and believe me docs here, are still rich.
s3lfFish 4 months ago
Poor poor america, the more it goes the more it seems like watching the news of a poor dictatorial brainwashed country, hey by the way, your healthcare system improved, you're 37th now ahead of slovenia (38th), next you have to beat costa rica (36th) ;) here in france, we're number 1.... if you wanna get a free healthcare (and a good one) come to europe, thats all we can say.
s3lfFish 4 months ago
@s3lfFish The only problem we have is that there's people in this country that want to emulate your nanny state. There's a reason you gave us the Statue of Liberty, we were the envy of the world for a freedom. I should also mention how amusing it is to me when French people criticize America, guess you guys forgot about how 60 years ago there was a swaztika flying from the Eifel tower and we came in and we had to save your ass.
jdowfleetwood 4 months ago
@jdowfleetwood oh boy one again, look, freedom isn't where you think it is
for instance, in france you're covered anyway, and then you can choose an additional cover (cuz you're not entirely covered), you do pay for it but only from how much you make, so if you're poor you don't pay, if your middle, a bit, and if you're rich well yeah you pay more but well, you're still rich. and you can still choose whatever doctor you want. see freedom of choice, in the states if you're poor you just die
s3lfFish 4 months ago
@s3lfFish our system is that the government forces employers to provide coverage. Before that, competition kept prices low and if you went for a routine visit you paid out of pocket without involving your insurance. Because we are basically forced to buy coverage, the costs have gone up and quality has gone down.
jdowfleetwood 4 months ago
@jdowfleetwood you're kind of forgetting that it isnt the government that maid doctors salary up, and with it insurances, but wild mindless capitalism.but i do feel sorry though, i hope you'll make it ok, cause, here on the other side of the ocean, everyhtin is just fine (well not completly but at least for healthcare, and education, and food, and holydays, and ... ;)
s3lfFish 4 months ago
@s3lfFish I guess your awesome French education didn't have a strong focus on reading comprehension, I already explained to you that it was the government forcing employers to provide insurance for their workers that drove the cost of healthcare in this country high.
jdowfleetwood 4 months ago
@jdowfleetwood so tell me again, what freedom is it, die or get bankrupted? nice choice, looks to me like a trick or treat deal. besides what the point of bringing up the 2ww again, didn't u got kicked by the vietmanese, didn't u got blood everytime u make war for no reason (where were the weapons of mass destruction... oh yeah got it, somewhere in the oil raffinery ;) besides like you said there is a reason WE gave you the statue of liberty (maybe cuz we were the 1st to fight for it)
s3lfFish 4 months ago
@s3lfFish Health insurance isn't a "right". We have the right to keep the money that we earn, and we have the right to buy healthcare with that money if we want. Thats a decision you can make within a free society. And I already explained to you how we could fix our system through removing government mandates and allowing capitalism to lower costs. And nothing you said was a response to my statement about us storming Normandy after you waived a white flag like typical French pussies to Germany.
jdowfleetwood 4 months ago
@jdowfleetwood of course healthcare is a right, except you don't care if your own citizens die (wich is form our point fo view barbaric) your "ogh we have the right to keep our money" is stupid, when a group of hulman lives in a society, they have to share different things, how would you like to make firemans private, so next time if you don't have enough you can just burn up with youtr house, you don't even think at what you'r syain. besides you already have wild capitalism and its not workin
s3lfFish 4 months ago
@s3lfFish Our Social Security system is insolvent, and your country had to raise the retirement age. Ever wonder why? Government is wastefull and inneficient. And having a fire department and police department provided through taxes isn't the same as destroying the free market healthcare system.
jdowfleetwood 4 months ago
@jdowfleetwood of course it is the same, so its ok to save your ass when a thief comes up or when your ass burns, but to heal and save that same ass isn't the same? man you're a living nonsense. and you what i don't care, you can just die with your ass burned i really don't care, though its a shame that a country like youre still lives in such barbaric ages
s3lfFish 4 months ago
@s3lfFish What is the point of arguing with someone if you are just going to ignore everything they say? We became the most powerfull country in the world because we are a free society. Our healthcare system was destroyed by our government. READ WHAT I SAY. IF YOU WANT TO RESPOND DO SO BY ACKNOWLEDGING MY POINTS.
jdowfleetwood 4 months ago
i'll just leave you with wise words of one of your own president, and ttry to think again, about your police offeicers, firemans, and public school, cuz you"'r preachin for a terryfing world where only the very wealthy could afford to live, while others ould live in a jungle where a simple fever could kill you. sounds to me like you wanna get back to middle ages, good luck with that, meanwhile i'll enjoy 2011
s3lfFish 4 months ago
@s3lfFish Yeah, enjoy the hyperinflation of the Euro as your fantasy land comes to an end.
jdowfleetwood 4 months ago
@jdowfleetwood whatever, we're sitll ahaed of you, with a better healthcare. and i don't think it will disappear that easily, you'r forgetting that here the government fear the people, we may still go and cut some heads like in good old times if some jerk ever comes with brilliant ideas like yours.
s3lfFish 4 months ago
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@jdowfleetwood whatever, we're sitll ahaed of you, with a better healthcare. and i don't think it will disappear that easily, you'r forgetting that here the government fear the people, we may still go and cut some heads like in good old times if some jerk ever comes with brilliant ideas like yours.
s3lfFish 4 months ago
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@jdowfleetwood i'll just leave you with wise words of one of your own president, and ttry to think again, about your police offeicers, firemans, and public school, cuz you"'r preachin for a terryfing world where only the very wealthy could afford to live, while others ould live in a jungle where a simple fever could kill you. sounds to me like you wanna get back to middle ages, good luck with that, meanwhile i'll enjoy 2011
s3lfFish 4 months ago
Wouldn't it be nice if at least half of Americans had enough common sense to shake off their brainwashing and LISTEN and UNDERSTAND this man?
Really...wouldn't that be tremendous?
mrsparex 4 months ago
Medicaid is broke, social security is broke, the public school system is a fucking joke. The government has accumulated 14 trillion dollars in debt, the value of the dollar is at an all time low. Now we should give these incompetent morons the power to manage every facet of our health care system.
HaggenPagan26 5 months ago
@HaggenPagan26 Is the military broke?
Beartit69 5 months ago
@Beartit69 The military in NOT government run. The military is a separate entity. There is a pre existing military budget in place, that liberal want to slash. We have spent 1 trillion dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan in 10 years, but our debt is 14 trillion. Obviously our debt is due to bankrupted social programs and excess spending on boondoggles.
HaggenPagan26 5 months ago
@HaggenPagan26 No, based on your logic, the military is NOT a separate entity. The money comes from the taxpayer, and is run by the military itself. Which is gov't financed. Just like Medicaide(which is NOT gov't run either), just like other gov't financed ventures. They make no money, just suck the money.
One article pegs true costs of the Iraq at over 3 Trillion when factoring everything as well.
washingtonpostDOTcom/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090302200DOThtml
Beartit69 5 months ago
@Beartit69 You are a liar. You're Canadian and trying to educate an American about his own countries military. Is there an end to your arrogance? ONEEEEEE TRILLIONNNNN Dollars has been spent in both War numb nuts. Not 3 trillion. Secondly the military BUDGET is not managed by the Government. The Government does not decide what or how he military's budget is allocated. That is the job of qualified Generals and Admirals who graduated from West Point and Annapolis. You are dense.
HaggenPagan26 5 months ago
@HaggenPagan26 And Medicaide's budget is NOT run by the gov't either Einstein. That's my point, it WORKS THE SAME WAY!!!!
And read the article sunshine instead of foaming at the mouth.
True, the gov't doesn't control the spending for the military, but it controls how much the military gets. The fact I'm Canadian doesn't change that fact. Its not arrogance dipshit.
Beartit69 5 months ago
@Beartit69 Medicaid is run by the State shit face.
HaggenPagan26 5 months ago