Interesting how the dream of the 'great society; ended with riots, and recently, in the UK, Cameron's dream of a 'big society' ended with riots as well...
ok, that guy who inspired bin laden has a hitler stash. what is with that? does it make you evil? maybe it is actually a small catapillar that takes over your mind somehow.
Thats done it for me the moment they said osama bin laden I stoped watching it and posting this comment which is brainwashing you on terrorism which this program wants you to believe religion on all sides and mankinds greed for wealth and power and control 911 inside job a 4 year old can work this out and as for this program its complete propaganda period.
@weezyheezy No, the programme says of 'Gunsmoke' of which Leo Strauss particularly enthused, that it presented a simple black and white view, a 'Good' vs 'Evil' kind of distinction, and thus was one such means of the kind of myth-making (even if not really true, he seems to have thought) he considered necessary. Note how different is what the documentary says, compared with the way you try reduce it to something else entirely. Play it back and you'll hear for yourself what is actually said.
The author is equating liberalism with socialism...not quite on mark ...since socialism during the truman years was not individualism, it was statism..
The commies started calling themselves "Liberals" to hide their evil after Stalin's purges became known over here. Before that he was their hero. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' i.e. concerned with the increase of individual Liberty, something the commies("Liberals" and progressives) hate.
Don't understand? Follow my links. Read the quotes page first.
@waypasthadenough That's the general assumption that the founders were interested in liberty, but I have to disagree,most weren't.The Constitution has too many flaws like the General Welfare Clause that underminds all liberty. Constitution does not protect self ownership or property rights, instead it sets up a system of taxes, and you really don't own your resources that you produce. The resources are owned by the state, and you get to keep a portion of it at their priviledge, or their behest.
Isn't the magic behind planet Earth is that one can decide to live in whatever country they please? Who is one person to dictate how another country or culture acts or thrives?Especially a country that allows one to practice their own religion and pursue their own goals?
There's corruption in every aspect of life, what's worse is when people use religion to justify murder,terrorism,and corruption.
It wasn't the policies of the Great Society that was the cause of the failure of liberal society.
It was the war
The Vietnam War
Those idiots in Washington wasted money to fight an unwinnable war, and in the process dragged two worlds, two peoples and two societies to hell.
America could had been the progressive utopia Democrats and normal people imagined, where all men, women and children could live educated, healthy and tolerant lives.
Oh Wow, that almost sounds like Nazism (minus the socialistic economic policies) you know, hating and despising people who think differently from you (laughable, being in an amoral universe where there's no true right and wrong) and persecuting them for being different. You are exactly the kind of monsters USA fought to destroy in WWII. You would had been a Hitler sympathizing fifth columnist you know.
The REASON the "liberal ideas failed" is because they were never actually implemented and the frustration over that was what caused unrest. Look at today. A majority of Americans don't want to suffer as the rich get richer but Washington seems hell bent on making it happen.
@099749 Good point. The carrot they dangle to provide hope but always out of reach. Kind of like when the Right promises to outlaw abortion but have no intention of actually doing it because the promise alone scores them votes.
More than that, the Elite that know better, will always lie, the Neo-cons as this documentary shows are not Christain, they just think christianity is a good ways to promote a moral society, but they themselves are not christain. So this bunch of neo cons dont believe in Christ, they just wanna use jesus to promote morality.
So neo cons, probably do not believe in ending abortion either, american Christain movement is lead by non-christians.
@255ad The Right Wing has put out enough propaganda to where we now have a bunch of average people defending "Let them eat cake". Ever hear of "noblesse oblige"? I guess it doesn't matter that the subjects in a kingdom are dying of starvation as long as the king can go into his treasure room and roll in gold.
@SpitfireOFatj yes I think it's morally incorrect view and that the inly obligations you have in life are ones you've agreed to so in the case of king yes he should give some of his own personal wealth to the people he governs because when he took the throne he accepted a responsibility to govern and protect them he however has no such right too take the money of other aristocrats as they have excepted no responsibility and deserving or not there wealth is rightfully there's
@255ad No it doesn't. The government isn't "rich". It's in debt and the aristocrats you defend are rolling in gold as the people starve and the government goes into debt. You're claiming that's okay because they have no obligation to either the people or the government.
@SpitfireOFatj they have excepted no obligation and there's no getting around that.
P.S the way I would solve the problem would be to dine large corporations any protection by the police or (for if say there supply's got stolen) unless they paid hight taxes
@255ad Here's a thought, if a corporation outsources it's jobs to China it can no longer call itself an American Company. It has to go to a Chinese court for all of their patents and contracts. Also, to sell in America, they have to pay a tariff equal to the amount an American worker would make.
@SpitfireOFatj "Bull. You tell them to pitch in or you pull their charter" I didn't mean you couldn't physically do it I meant I don't think it's morally right
@Eirexeyes are you reffering to the fact that one man is making a symbol with his eye? possibly suggesting the 'Eye' that is in conspiracy with Illuminati?
How hypocritical of Qutb to despise the torture he personally suffered as a product unleashed exclusively by the 'secular' West when so many theocracies throughout history--including those run by Muslims--have openly and enthusiastically used and supported torture as a means of forcefully enlightening the masses.
Just another dreamer clinging to an aging religion in the modern world, with his beliefs only hardened and carried on by intolerant government power.
@EndConnection Another vicious vile scumbag trying the defend the people that........CREATE THE TERROR.........while crying like a punk as bitch about people that try to fight it.........JUST ANOTHER HIGH TECH TERRORIST.....
'keeping individualism in check' :59 . Sounds like the movie 'Equilibrium' is what Qutb desired. And how clever of him to don the Hitler mustache. I'm not quick to deride this doco, just quick to comprehend it.
@AlchemicGnosis - yet still no explanation of 'real truths' while giving a sweeping account of how others are not true. Not even a small effort to explain 'Qutb's truth' or any 'real truth' . She's blowing hot air.
'Political Scientist' Roxanne Eubin says @ 6:09 - 'we now worship materialism and the self and individual truths over the real truths' ----- yet she makes no effort to describe or tell anyone what 'real truths' are. This my friends is BULLSHIT in its most complete form. The lady is probably living off government grants so she can spew theory's about life . What a complete idiot who assumes that people she does not even know are materialistic as she drives home in her BMW
@ 5:00 - 'the torture he believed , showed that this culture (USA) also unleashed the most brutal and barbaris aspects of human beings' - yet the torture he was speaking of HAPPENED IN EGYPT AND WAS CARRIED OUT BY EGYPTIANS ! The line @ 5:00 is even said while showing the EGYPTIAN FILM where Egyptians are torturing Egyptians. Yet the moronic narrator acts as if it is an American policy. Wake up people. Do not be afraid or so selfish as to not see these realities of this vid.
Darkstar, this is basic manipulation and the taking out of context all truths that are right in front of the viewer / listener. It's just like a commercial about some prescription drug where they show children playing in sunshine with smiles during the disclaimer where all of the dangerous side effects are mentioned in a monatone voice . It's a lying technique. One that too many seem to be fooled by.
'He joined a group called the Muslim Brotherhood, who wanted Islam to play a major role in the governing of Egyptian society' The man wanted a religion to play a major role in Egypts government . And yet he can still lay blame on the 'not free Americans' ?? It's important for many to look at the realities here. This man did not like Western society because it was not Islamic enough for him.
It's classic. Egyptian police decide to torture their prisoners . They of course blame it on the CIA? LOL! - and some of you dunces watch and believe this crap. Oh god forbid that horrible individualism infects you. You would not want to think for your self after all. Some people are too dumb to comprehend that Kuta was an insecure unhappy loser who did not get enough attention from the pretty American girls he desired so he thought them evil. I've seen it many times. Sad and dangerous
@robi2000, anyone who has read any history that includes Muslim states, knows that Islamic tortures and punishments were and still are some of the most barbarous possible. The Spanish Inquisition were bad too but the Arabs were matchless at torture and violence IMHO.
@lesdoyle2000, I'm certainly not condoning the barberous behaviour of any Western countries that engage in torture, waterboarding sounds horrendous. All that I am saying is that both sides are bad and to hold one up as a pillar of rectitude is laughable. As for who creates the terror, well, the US and her allies train terrorist groups all over the world and arm them too, then st them loose on the local population who fight back and it escalates from there so I guess WE create much of the terror.
What exact Laws and/or Reforms is Mr. Kristol talking about? Also the riots of the 60s and 70s were not because of the "people", but the reaction of the Elite to losing power to the people. They are ones who ORDERED in the troops. btw...LBJ was hardly a "liberal" ...geez. Same with Mac and the rest of the war mongers.
Enough of this moral equivalence between the West and terrorist fanatics. What is wrong with you self-loathing people? Why trash yourself when people are trying to kill you?
culture is corrupting should should look at how things are now! they would being freaking the hell out......oh wait...that would proven them right that
the golden age was destiny for self-destruction of
Abused by his own people....yet its the evil American's fault. OKAY!
sharkolibre 4 days ago
Interesting how the dream of the 'great society; ended with riots, and recently, in the UK, Cameron's dream of a 'big society' ended with riots as well...
BrynLFilms 3 weeks ago
god/religion is not allowed just follow the american ways and we all going to hell together...for sure...
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TheFe22y 1 month ago
Free societies are controlled by media. That's all you need to know. The control of everything is in the media.
philmoskowitz 4 months ago
ok, that guy who inspired bin laden has a hitler stash. what is with that? does it make you evil? maybe it is actually a small catapillar that takes over your mind somehow.
kakashi76767 6 months ago
@kakashi76767 I bet that you wanker think Charlie Chaplin is Evil too for having that Mustash before hitler
snowc3ed 4 months ago
Thats done it for me the moment they said osama bin laden I stoped watching it and posting this comment which is brainwashing you on terrorism which this program wants you to believe religion on all sides and mankinds greed for wealth and power and control 911 inside job a 4 year old can work this out and as for this program its complete propaganda period.
chess747 6 months ago
Yea those dastardly producers of 'Gunsmoke' were just trying to indoctrinate the youth of America and Egypt into mindless consumers.
weezyheezy 9 months ago
@weezyheezy No, the programme says of 'Gunsmoke' of which Leo Strauss particularly enthused, that it presented a simple black and white view, a 'Good' vs 'Evil' kind of distinction, and thus was one such means of the kind of myth-making (even if not really true, he seems to have thought) he considered necessary. Note how different is what the documentary says, compared with the way you try reduce it to something else entirely. Play it back and you'll hear for yourself what is actually said.
Cogniscent1 8 months ago
The commies, their leadership that is, knew full well what the consequences of their evil laws would be, just as they know now.
Don't understand? Follow my links. Read the quotes page first.
waypasthadenough 9 months ago
The author is equating liberalism with socialism...not quite on mark ...since socialism during the truman years was not individualism, it was statism..
dons123111 10 months ago
@dons123111
The commies started calling themselves "Liberals" to hide their evil after Stalin's purges became known over here. Before that he was their hero. The Founders were 'classical liberals,' i.e. concerned with the increase of individual Liberty, something the commies("Liberals" and progressives) hate.
Don't understand? Follow my links. Read the quotes page first.
waypasthadenough 9 months ago
@waypasthadenough That's the general assumption that the founders were interested in liberty, but I have to disagree,most weren't.The Constitution has too many flaws like the General Welfare Clause that underminds all liberty. Constitution does not protect self ownership or property rights, instead it sets up a system of taxes, and you really don't own your resources that you produce. The resources are owned by the state, and you get to keep a portion of it at their priviledge, or their behest.
dons123111 9 months ago 3
@waypasthadenough Stalinism was communism?
MrMemag 1 month ago
Isn't the magic behind planet Earth is that one can decide to live in whatever country they please? Who is one person to dictate how another country or culture acts or thrives?Especially a country that allows one to practice their own religion and pursue their own goals?
There's corruption in every aspect of life, what's worse is when people use religion to justify murder,terrorism,and corruption.
nomel72 10 months ago
@nomel72
There are several countries that won't let you move there, most or many require you to have a source of income...
waypasthadenough 9 months ago
The Muslim Brotherhood will be the vanguard,if it's allowed to be.
jonnyy40 11 months ago
8.45 Johnson´s great society.....where is it now-a-days?
davidperi 11 months ago
@davidperi
It's in the third generation fatherless drug dealer and gang banger who just killed for his initiation...
waypasthadenough 9 months ago
It wasn't the policies of the Great Society that was the cause of the failure of liberal society.
It was the war
The Vietnam War
Those idiots in Washington wasted money to fight an unwinnable war, and in the process dragged two worlds, two peoples and two societies to hell.
America could had been the progressive utopia Democrats and normal people imagined, where all men, women and children could live educated, healthy and tolerant lives.
One sad little forign policy mistake ended it
TheVoiceOfReason93 1 year ago
@TheVoiceOfReason93
We should have kept our troops home from Vietnam and Korea and let them kill the commies here first.
Hope to see ya' during "Liberal"(commie) season.
Don't understand? Follow my links. Read the quotes page first.
waypasthadenough 9 months ago
@waypasthadenough
Oh Wow, that almost sounds like Nazism (minus the socialistic economic policies) you know, hating and despising people who think differently from you (laughable, being in an amoral universe where there's no true right and wrong) and persecuting them for being different. You are exactly the kind of monsters USA fought to destroy in WWII. You would had been a Hitler sympathizing fifth columnist you know.
TheVoiceOfReason93 9 months ago
The REASON the "liberal ideas failed" is because they were never actually implemented and the frustration over that was what caused unrest. Look at today. A majority of Americans don't want to suffer as the rich get richer but Washington seems hell bent on making it happen.
SpitfireOFatj 1 year ago
@SpitfireOFatj
Maybe the "Liberial ideas" Failed because they were never meant to suceed, maybe they were just another nessacery illusion.
099749 1 year ago
@099749 Good point. The carrot they dangle to provide hope but always out of reach. Kind of like when the Right promises to outlaw abortion but have no intention of actually doing it because the promise alone scores them votes.
SpitfireOFatj 1 year ago
@SpitfireOFatj
More than that, the Elite that know better, will always lie, the Neo-cons as this documentary shows are not Christain, they just think christianity is a good ways to promote a moral society, but they themselves are not christain. So this bunch of neo cons dont believe in Christ, they just wanna use jesus to promote morality.
So neo cons, probably do not believe in ending abortion either, american Christain movement is lead by non-christians.
099749 1 year ago
@099749 I'm old enough to remember when Christians prayed for Peace instead of Power.
SpitfireOFatj 1 year ago
@SpitfireOFatj what are you suggesting that they take money from the rich and give it to the poor
255ad 1 year ago
@255ad Don't be silly, we all know that Jesus blesses the rich and that church is a place to go to flaunt it.
SpitfireOFatj 1 year ago
@SpitfireOFatj i'm an atheist I just can't see how taking people's potion's and wealth (even if they don't deserve them) is right
255ad 1 year ago
@255ad The Right Wing has put out enough propaganda to where we now have a bunch of average people defending "Let them eat cake". Ever hear of "noblesse oblige"? I guess it doesn't matter that the subjects in a kingdom are dying of starvation as long as the king can go into his treasure room and roll in gold.
SpitfireOFatj 1 year ago
@SpitfireOFatj yes I think it's morally incorrect view and that the inly obligations you have in life are ones you've agreed to so in the case of king yes he should give some of his own personal wealth to the people he governs because when he took the throne he accepted a responsibility to govern and protect them he however has no such right too take the money of other aristocrats as they have excepted no responsibility and deserving or not there wealth is rightfully there's
255ad 1 year ago
@255ad Are you saying the rich in this country are the aristocrats and the government is the king?
SpitfireOFatj 1 year ago
@SpitfireOFatj yes the analogy fits,
255ad 1 year ago
@255ad No it doesn't. The government isn't "rich". It's in debt and the aristocrats you defend are rolling in gold as the people starve and the government goes into debt. You're claiming that's okay because they have no obligation to either the people or the government.
SpitfireOFatj 1 year ago
@SpitfireOFatj they have excepted no obligation and there's no getting around that.
P.S the way I would solve the problem would be to dine large corporations any protection by the police or (for if say there supply's got stolen) unless they paid hight taxes
255ad 1 year ago
@255ad sorry that should be "deny large corporations"
255ad 1 year ago
@255ad Here's a thought, if a corporation outsources it's jobs to China it can no longer call itself an American Company. It has to go to a Chinese court for all of their patents and contracts. Also, to sell in America, they have to pay a tariff equal to the amount an American worker would make.
SpitfireOFatj 1 year ago 3
@255ad "there's no getting around that."
Bull. You tell them to pitch in or you pull their charter.
SpitfireOFatj 1 year ago
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@SpitfireOFatj "Bull. You tell them to pitch in or you pull their charter" I didn't mean you couldn't physically do it I meant I don't think it's morally right
255ad 1 year ago
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@SpitfireOFatj "Bull. You tell them to pitch in or you pull their charter" I didn't mean practically I meant morally
255ad 1 year ago
I find it amazing how BOTH sides promise the illusion of freedom, yet only offer more control.
arizonapatriotforus 1 year ago
1:04 killing is a selfish desire.... just thought id point that out.
ianad7 1 year ago
I'm in love with 6:28 lady
northbanksy 1 year ago
ok, for sensitive people, beware of some difficult things to see and hear! JEEEZUS! I WISH SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TOLD ME!! damn.
MsAqualion 1 year ago
at 2:01.. can someone tell me whats wrong with this picture!!?.. see if ye can see what im talking about lol
Eirexeyes 1 year ago
@Eirexeyes are you reffering to the fact that one man is making a symbol with his eye? possibly suggesting the 'Eye' that is in conspiracy with Illuminati?
f2thes 1 year ago
@f2thes hahaha yeah!.. weird huh? lol
Eirexeyes 1 year ago
How hypocritical of Qutb to despise the torture he personally suffered as a product unleashed exclusively by the 'secular' West when so many theocracies throughout history--including those run by Muslims--have openly and enthusiastically used and supported torture as a means of forcefully enlightening the masses.
Just another dreamer clinging to an aging religion in the modern world, with his beliefs only hardened and carried on by intolerant government power.
EndConnection 1 year ago 12
@EndConnection Another vicious vile scumbag trying the defend the people that........CREATE THE TERROR.........while crying like a punk as bitch about people that try to fight it.........JUST ANOTHER HIGH TECH TERRORIST.....
mkdelta69 1 year ago
@EndConnection your a fucking scum sucking sewer dweller....
mkdelta69 1 year ago
1:13 that from fallout new vegas?
13lackLight 1 year ago
'keeping individualism in check' :59 . Sounds like the movie 'Equilibrium' is what Qutb desired. And how clever of him to don the Hitler mustache. I'm not quick to deride this doco, just quick to comprehend it.
robi2000 1 year ago 12
@robi2000 Fuckin hell. Is that you birdy?
Freshhhhh1982 1 year ago
@AlchemicGnosis - yet still no explanation of 'real truths' while giving a sweeping account of how others are not true. Not even a small effort to explain 'Qutb's truth' or any 'real truth' . She's blowing hot air.
robi2000 1 year ago 3
'Political Scientist' Roxanne Eubin says @ 6:09 - 'we now worship materialism and the self and individual truths over the real truths' ----- yet she makes no effort to describe or tell anyone what 'real truths' are. This my friends is BULLSHIT in its most complete form. The lady is probably living off government grants so she can spew theory's about life . What a complete idiot who assumes that people she does not even know are materialistic as she drives home in her BMW
robi2000 1 year ago
@ 5:00 - 'the torture he believed , showed that this culture (USA) also unleashed the most brutal and barbaris aspects of human beings' - yet the torture he was speaking of HAPPENED IN EGYPT AND WAS CARRIED OUT BY EGYPTIANS ! The line @ 5:00 is even said while showing the EGYPTIAN FILM where Egyptians are torturing Egyptians. Yet the moronic narrator acts as if it is an American policy. Wake up people. Do not be afraid or so selfish as to not see these realities of this vid.
robi2000 1 year ago
The idea was probably that he figured it came from American Culture being there. Not that I agree, just saying what I think it meant.
Darkstar1484 1 year ago
Darkstar, this is basic manipulation and the taking out of context all truths that are right in front of the viewer / listener. It's just like a commercial about some prescription drug where they show children playing in sunshine with smiles during the disclaimer where all of the dangerous side effects are mentioned in a monatone voice . It's a lying technique. One that too many seem to be fooled by.
robi2000 1 year ago
'He joined a group called the Muslim Brotherhood, who wanted Islam to play a major role in the governing of Egyptian society' The man wanted a religion to play a major role in Egypts government . And yet he can still lay blame on the 'not free Americans' ?? It's important for many to look at the realities here. This man did not like Western society because it was not Islamic enough for him.
robi2000 1 year ago
It's classic. Egyptian police decide to torture their prisoners . They of course blame it on the CIA? LOL! - and some of you dunces watch and believe this crap. Oh god forbid that horrible individualism infects you. You would not want to think for your self after all. Some people are too dumb to comprehend that Kuta was an insecure unhappy loser who did not get enough attention from the pretty American girls he desired so he thought them evil. I've seen it many times. Sad and dangerous
robi2000 1 year ago 2
@robi2000, anyone who has read any history that includes Muslim states, knows that Islamic tortures and punishments were and still are some of the most barbarous possible. The Spanish Inquisition were bad too but the Arabs were matchless at torture and violence IMHO.
arisuta2 1 year ago
@arisuta2
Are the tortures worse than the torture used by the US?
lesdoyle2000 1 year ago
@lesdoyle2000, I'm certainly not condoning the barberous behaviour of any Western countries that engage in torture, waterboarding sounds horrendous. All that I am saying is that both sides are bad and to hold one up as a pillar of rectitude is laughable. As for who creates the terror, well, the US and her allies train terrorist groups all over the world and arm them too, then st them loose on the local population who fight back and it escalates from there so I guess WE create much of the terror.
arisuta2 1 year ago
@arisuta2
I agree.
Unfortunately we are the invaders and propaganda has replaced truth.
Now Wikileaks is called a terrorist organisation for exposing war crimes.
lesdoyle2000 1 year ago
United States of Amnesia
ImAsMadAsHell 1 year ago
You hit that on the nose
mobilechief 1 year ago
LBJ was a Truman democrat and makes the now "conservative" Republicans look like radical, hippie liberals.
dasupa666 1 year ago
Exactly. It's so sad that the normal politically active 'everymen' have no historic sense of policy. None whatsoever.
coosoorlog 1 year ago
What exact Laws and/or Reforms is Mr. Kristol talking about? Also the riots of the 60s and 70s were not because of the "people", but the reaction of the Elite to losing power to the people. They are ones who ORDERED in the troops. btw...LBJ was hardly a "liberal" ...geez. Same with Mac and the rest of the war mongers.
iceisnice61 2 years ago 2
There is no Al Qaeda.
InsaneGoonRules 2 years ago
America sucks but the rest of the world sucks more, go america!!!
greatgregmurf 2 years ago
Are you sure?
slobomotion 2 years ago
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greatgregmurf 2 years ago
@greatgregmurf You are correct and this is the most basic truth on this page.
Caligula138 1 year ago
fucking hell at the dog bit
superiourcowies 2 years ago
exactly why these "extremists" are created and why they hate shit like this so much.
muslimgiga 2 years ago
Really someone is trying to kill me. omg Oh wait that's what i have guns for.
shortyboy48035 2 years ago 2
Enough of this moral equivalence between the West and terrorist fanatics. What is wrong with you self-loathing people? Why trash yourself when people are trying to kill you?
warjunkie44 2 years ago
@warjunkie44 the problem is that the lines between enemies and friends, govt nd terrorist is being blurred and soon it will become thesame.
oneki 2 years ago
Irving Kristol gives Trotsky a bad name.
eotto2001 2 years ago
lol those guys that say in the movie that America
culture is corrupting should should look at how things are now! they would being freaking the hell out......oh wait...that would proven them right that
the golden age was destiny for self-destruction of
society.
MEGAGUY21 2 years ago
So what are the "real truths"? 6:20
truthsabre7 2 years ago
Peace, Love and Joy my friend.
zekeandcharlie 2 years ago 2
MORALITY.
not prostitution, strippers, rape, abortion, murder, drugs and homo's umm ya...
muslimgiga 2 years ago
The Kristol....the portrait of pure racists.
nzingamina 2 years ago 2
LOL. Pure Gold.
AllYourBase11 2 years ago
Irving Kristol: had he had anymore of an oversimplified view of the world, he would have been in danger of being labeled mentally handicapped.
Can't wait till his son William goes the way of the father, 6 feet under that is.........
krock8705 2 years ago 3
Really?
I thought he was good in 'City Slickers'...
bmkinuk 2 years ago 3