joe rogan is a pot smoking idiot, what happens in the ufc when guys accidently get poked in the eye or kicked in the balls the fight is stopped instantly cause they cant go on, wing chun (along with all martila arts excluding mma) targets the eyes and balls, hey youve gotta know some ground work but you cant excluded everything for MMA, joe go smoke a bong you fuckhead, (i do not practice wing chun)
Joe has no idea what a real fight is, controlled love making in a caged ring is far from it. He's one very sad person, laughing at others for enjoying their life. Everyone does something to pass the time on this earth, rolling around in a UFC ring on top of another guy is what he loves to do, and I don't see many people mocking him for that homosexual behavior. Some people need to grow up. o_O
That's just years of body conditioning. I've seen western circus performers do more impressive feats, they don't claim any mystical energy.
And I guess the years of weightlifting has developed my chi to grow muscles?? Or the years of studying has developed the chi in my brain to make me intelligent? Or the chi in my skin gives me a sun tan?? Blah blah...
I called daddy Ali, he said you're barred from ever stepping into his dojo ever again. He wouldn't go into detail, his voice kept breaking into half sobs.
Something about you introducing a new form while he was away, he said you called it SHAI NEE KOK form...
@wingchunisforhomos Damn, are you watchin, homo. Watch out I've studied psyche and have noticed you have homosexual infatuations, just by your comments and your code name. When u make that video takin out a w.c. expert post it, otherwise you are bullshito!
@1fitkbox Do you have "emperical" evidence of your claim. LOL! Wing Chun skills can be used standing or grappling, just depends on the skill of the fighter. Keep runnin your mouth you will find out, fact. I've taken out skilled fighters, by puttin a brick to their head, hard to hit me from ten feet away, real street fight skills. Now, I'm done with this thread, winghomo is getting aroused, time to leave this bullshito thread.
@SilverLion567 I saw them balance on sharp surface, but there's plenty of evidence of people building enough scar material to do that. When did they get slashed with swords?
Yep, you are septic and all other alts. WC clubs are now on high alert, code red etc.
Previous training partners of harpoon are undergoing intensive counselling and rehabilitation into normal methods of training. Some are so traumatised by your takedown attempts that they now padlock their pants.
Inosanto has put out an all WC club alert for anyone claiming to be septic, strailo, loksinsan, eezeeskank, or harp1925. Apparently harpoon kept getting an erection during chi sau, and his takedown attempts mysteriously froze once his face dropped in line with the groin area. Other chunners had to prize his face away from the poor victims crotch. It is indeed true... WC is for homos.
I've just rang up inosanto about septic...Dan said" for fks sake...keep septic on YouTube as he's sick of you at his class asking stupid questions like " master, why does stick bend when touch water"
@1fitkbox Hey....The Box is back!...LOL!.... Scroll down and tell me what u think about the points that MuayThai guy made about the origins of some of the movements.
@wingchunisforhomos ALT, are you joking? I do believe in fairies, aren't you posting? That is proof fairies exist, LMAO! Quit being an internet warrior and come to Kentucky-kick sifus ass, post the video and prove your point. Go to any wing chun sifu, and test him out, post the video, and prove yourself, big man (LOL). BTW, people are laugihng at you, cause u don't have a clue. Go get your ass kicked and learn, or remain the dumbfuck you really are. Get your mind off homos, fairyboy!
@harp1925 Typical Septic: insult and run. Never address the fact that Wing Chun can't provide a single piece of evidence where it works on a decent opponent.
@wingchunisforhomos ?...Cause I know the reality of guys who dont train getting rusty? Dude, I fall victim 2 that 2. I'm not going 2 delude myself and think I can take guys in rolling if I havent been training. Thats the thing u armchair MA experts fall for, you think that because u may have been the shit years ago that bears any relevance in the present. Same with WC guys who don't regularly test there technique against skilled opponents! plus I was poke'n ya a little, LOL!
@wingchunisforhomos .........Nah, I'm not going 2 go on any more......Time 2 take the 2nd shit of the day,....Yeah, the all veggies and protein diet makes me poopy, LOL!....My girlfriend hates me, Haha...Than shred the guitar for a few hours before class.....Cheers!
Now all we have to do now is wait for the other 2 idiot turkey members to come to the rescue, GOOSE to stick his dumb gooseneck out,and WINGBOZO to make more infantile,, irrelevant and off the wall comments that only validates his stupidity and immaturity
@eddynot4real Go ahead ,insult me,and ignore me if u want.But all that stuff only ADDS to the fact that u r a chicken shit dickhead,who has prven time and time again to know absolutely ZERO about anything.U could not answer a basic grappling question,yet u like to come across as an expert on combat.U made a FALSE claim that WC took up the gracie challenge and lost,which is NOT true.And u ignore the fact that carlson gracie endorsed wc.End result? U r a typical turkey member.STUPID and UNINFORMED
@Skepticalnature The thing that u should ride him about is advising everyone 2 train a style he has admitted he's only taken a couple of classes in. Dont bother waiting for him 2 answer a question outside his skill set, he just doesn't know the answer.....And no Eddie, thats not an Ad Homenim attack....thats an Ad Rem critique.....Better start looking it up, LOL! Hint, u won't find it just by a simple google search, u have 2 search it proceeded by its opposite....Have fun, LOL!
@fitbox Still don't have the balls to cll up inosanto,or train with a real modern day jkd guy? If nothing else,your claims of there not being any WC in jkd is in and of itself more than enough proof that u r NOT a real martial artist at all,and have NO fuckin idea about what you are talking. Aside from the fact that u r a MacTurkey club member,how can the rest of us on this post possibly take u seriously?
@Skepticalnature Think Kbox said he's away for a while. Plus he's old and hasn't trained for ever other that a few miles a week on a tread mill and teaching his SD classes.....Basically any one could kick his ass, who'd trained hard for the last couple of years in just about any style, haha.......Right Kbox? You of all people should know, if you don't use it you loose it! LOL
@harp1925 Ever notice how it is ALWAYS the same goup of idiots that make the most ridiculous and infantile comments?The MacTurkey members[ eddy,wing,fitbox,goose] are nothing but a bunch of young and inexperienced punks who have NO fuckin idea of what they are talking about.No one else on this post believes or agrees with ANYTHING they say.They have been exposed time and time again as nothing but a bunch of moron kids who have NO business on this post
@Skepticalnature Right on, the fact that anyone questions chi energy is a joke. Also, WTF is a decent fighter, LOL! Mcnut talks about fallacy, yet the very comment about a decent fighter is a fallacy, very vague! Anyway, I told these clowns and anyone else where to find a wing chun ass whippin, notice no one has stepped forward, case closed.
@harp19 A decent runner,would be a man good enough to maybe run in national titles, or maybe go olympics,a decent swimmer,the same,a "decent" fighter would be anybody who can win pro rules fights in any FULL CONTACT "style,not at a local sports centre in a tornament without head punches,but real "full contact"ie. K1,muaythai,lethwei,pradel serey, boxing, wrestling, bjj,even judo, thats what the world calls a "real" fighter. As we get older,we develope a lazy intelligence,I still kick ass lol
Search "the wondrous world of chi power", if you have these powers then I take it all back, I mean, combine this with the fearsome chain fondle and it's curtains for MMA.
And we all know you're septic and eezeeskank and strailo and...
@wingchunisforhomos You are hilarious! Seriously, How old are you, 12? Answer this, what is a decent fighter? That is a vague comment, decent could mean anything, LOL! Yet, you base your wing chun comments on decent fighters, LOL! Also, in this video, Joe Rogan talks about some black dudes in New York, what a large sampling of wing chun. Pure fallacy. A total joke! Still waitin i Kentucky for your beat down!
@glaurungdragon1 Thnx for the excellent info on MuiThai! I woke up late and gotta train, so I can't research it now but looking forward to learning more this afternoon. If you have any links would you post them? Thnx again!
@harp1925 Hey Holmes i mean ezeeskank i mean Harp 1925 LMAO! It must be hard for a Mexican guy to pretend to be a white guy from detroit. LMAO! Hey four words i think you should know. Here they are copy,page image,web page scripting, enycryption and open port. LMAO! You my friend have been fun. It was fun while it lasted but the gig is up. A Mexican guy that pretend to be more then one person so that his alter ego comes on you tube web pages to agree with his lame unfactual opinion on GW lol
@wingchunisforhomos Thanks for the info, now that u KNOW I am many different accounts (U REALLY ARE A FUCKIN FOOL), all u have done is prove u r an ignorant wimp! I have two accounts, both with the Harp name. Still waiting for you in Kentucky, pussy! Bring Mcfaggot with you, and get destroyed! LMAO! Now, your borrowing accusations from 2ndtonone, a real winner, bahahah! When u understand chi, I will listen to u, but as of now you are a true coward/pussy/wimp!
"@harp1925 The hoax is up asshole stop pretending. Come on Holmes we know you and ezeeskank are the same people. LMAO! You're a fake phoney piece of shit plain an simple. A mexican guy trying to act like a white guy but you told on yourself dipshit. An you're still at it. Keep it up assclown. You're not only stupid you're a liar and a fraud. Using two accounts and gets caught. Priceless!"
If you really know daddy Ali get him to unblock me. But you can't because you'
These WANG JUNK club really need to get together and provide an empirical evidence that Mac has been requesting for AGES. Not a single professional win in any full contact competitions nor having any footage or clips of Wing Chun fighters fighting in the streets against experienced fighters and winning. You WC fantasy fan boys live in a dream world and have yet to fight against real fighters.
Wow, I've been gone for a 2 days and wow, what a jungle as always. And WOW, SUCKDICKALNATURE CAME BACK and yet, expects us to respond immediately when he cannot still answer relevant questions to the debate. Anyways, until he can answer any of our questions of providing an empirical evidence of WC working against experienced fighters, either on the streets or any full contact competitions, his comments are worthless as always. Oh, and asking about my ground game doesn't prove anything. =)
@Skepticalnature Im back...and im even more immature & evil than before ....ive missed you while sitting supping a beer on a beach on the Greek Isle of Asbestos...Septic, in all the times youve commented, youve never stated & proved 1 fact in your favour...JKD is all MMA now, 90% of it is BJJ,MT ect,you cant show us 1 good WC man...proving hes good at using WC to beat any fighter,no decent pro fighters in the world rate WC in anyway, its known as a joke...your not a bjj BB & you know we know now
@rozmahel9 These guys are CLUELESS about martial arts,or anything else.I have honestly tried to reason with these guys,but it is an impossibilty.Ask CFgroup1 as well.We've been on this post for a while now,and have seen through the bullshit these guys put out.In all honesty,they have about as much insight into martial arts,logic and life in general,as does a flee on a dog's ass
@rozmahel9 I just explained that trying to have an intelligent and mature conversation with any of the MacTurkey club members is an impossibilty.Don't waste your breath on these bozos.They are hopeless
@Skepticalnature This isn't me trying to tell them they are wrong, I am just having a conversation with them about the topic at hand. Just because they have their own opinion and support each others similar beliefs, doesn't mean that you should categorize them like you do. You are only hurting your opinion on this video by giving up reason and just trying to insult people. I don't want to be categorized in whatever group they put you in, I just want to discuss because its fun.
The MacTurkey club has provided NO evidence at all.NONE whatsoever.All they can present are 2 or 3 old videos of WC noobs getting whipped.THAT'S the proof? What a joke. I can use the same dumb examples and say that boxers suck.U want proof? Look up ufc 1,5,and the latest couture toney fight.The boxers landed on their ass without throwing a a single punch.According to that idiotic logic,boxing sucks.The other thing they don't get is t WC is suited for street attacks,not dancing yoyo attacks
@wingchunisforhomos lol? At no point have I been rude to anyone I am discussing this topic with. Nor have I ever claimed you are all alts of one person, I am just having a discussion with whoever is reasonable enough to have a decent conversation with me about this. So why are you even addressing me if it's not to discuss the topic of this video or the conversation within these comments?
A few of us on this post who have been on for a while even suspect that all these other dickhead club members,may in fact be MacTurkey himself,coming to his own rescue as an alt.The timing is particularly suspicious
Watch carefully people.Any time now one of the turkey club members will pop up.Will it be wingbozo? Gooseneck? Eddynot4real? Fitbox? Or the MacDick himself.See if i'm right or not folks
Don't try reasoning with Mac.Despite having his contentions defeated,the errors of his ways exposed ,he continues his infantile games.The ONLY people that agree with ANYTHING he says and come to his rescue,especially when he has been cornered, are his turkey club members[goose,wing,eddy,fbox].They are nothing but a group of young inexperienced morons.They are INCAPABLE of serious debate,and have NO business on this post.Stick around,and you'll see.The evidence will speak for itself
Harp1925 has been exposed on other sites for using alts to agree with himself. As I dug deeper it was just the same writing style as septic. I ignore the loser.
For the record, WC is shit. WC is only practiced by impressionable dweebs.
@wingchunisforhomos Nice way to dodge your lame ass comments! Now, back up your words and take on sifu ali, or are u a pussy? You claim wing chun is for homos, now go and prove it. We will be waiting for the video proof. Otherwise u r shit! All talk! As far as my other alts, I've used one other name, thegreatharp, when my account got messed up. Watch yourself, you assume things, a great way to get your ass kicked. Have a nice time in Kentucky, LOL!
@wingchunisforhomos Damn, are you fuckin stupid. Chi is your life force dumbfuck, how the fuck do you move, by chi energy. OMG, your credibility is null! Tell Mcflanahan there is no chi and see what he says, if he has any creds left he'll laugh at you. Wake up boy, your soundin stupid and dumb.
@harp1925 I agree, these guys no nothing bout chi ...many little Chinese men who live in caves & stand on 1 leg all day practising kungfu...would use there chi to flatten Huge UFC fighters like Overeem & Velasquez in seconds...UFC fighters have also never felt to power of a chain punch to the chest...Wing Chun rules...yeah yeah yeah
@Mrfitkbox1 OOOH a sarcastic comment. Well, get your facts straight, I have never dissed any MMA fighters, only clowns who try to dog wing chun and chi energy. Ever hear of acupuncture, where energy channels are blocked, proof of chi energy. As far as big MMA guys........STEROIDS SURE HELP. Doesn't mean they can't fight, but it sure helps, LMAO! BTW, what is a decent fighter?
@MacFlanahan Sifu Tony Leung has a student called Sifu Tony Clements a real fighter, who got rejected by ufc. my source is his students if you were wondering ;)
@SilverLion567 I can't find this tony clements online, meaning he has no mixed martial arts record.. Why would the UFC take a fighter who has no professional record? You have to work our way into the UFC, it's like being drafted into the nfl, you can't go up to the head of the organization and tell them you want a "tryout" your tryout is your mixed martial arts record...
@MacFlanahan i acknowledge that most people who claim to have chi (principle energy of life or something along those lines) are fake, and say it for the fame, real mastery of chi gong takes well over 20 years, and involves deep meditation, real chi gong can only be demonstrated by the shaolin monks, Sifu Tony Leung is a master of chi and the shaolin representative of Britain, and he goes around the UK healing people with Chi now.
That's the thing, if everyone is so sure that WC is useless, then go to a WC school and challenge the sifu. The way I see it is that your opinions are just your opinions and not fact unless you have personally seen evidence that it's a weaker MA. The "Null" that you guys have a hard on for, would say that WC is not useless because it has not been proven useless or ineffective.
@rozmahel9 That's not my understanding of a Null. As I understand it, a Null is the starting point. As others have stated, we start with the premise that bigfoot and ghosts doesn't exist. Do you believe in ghosts because they haven't been proven to not exist?
@gooseriffic Understandable. question though, how do you believe the Universe came to be? What explanation would you give if someone asked you that question? Would you follow a religious aspect? Or maybe a scientific one, such as the current explanation being the Big Bang Theory?
@highscienze Forget it brother.These idiots don't or won't get it.They have been defeated over and over again,and still come up with the same lame arguments.Goose is part of what we call the Macturkey club.The other members are wing,eddy and fbox.They are a bunch of young inexperienced punks who despite having had their as kicked scientifically,philosophically,and having been shown the errors of their ways,refuse to accept defeat.They are not only fighting a losing battle.They have lost alread
@Skepticalnature Do I need to start counting the number of times I ask and the number of times you ignore the request like BigMac did? Please state what is wrong with their contentions.
@highscienze I don't see anyone making that implication. Bruce Lee started with wing chun but my understanding was he had big problems with it and started studying other things to cover the weaknesses he saw. If anything, Bruce Lee would have been a fan of MMA.
@gooseneck What u say has absolutely NO credibilty.You've already been exposed as a MacTurkey club member or alt.So it's only natural u will come to Mac's defence.U and your other idiotic pals eddy,and wing are the ONLY ones on this post that have this mis-guided perception.The rest of us think u r all fuckin morons.Doesn't that tell u something?
@Skepticalnature Not sure how my timing is supposedly becoming suspicious. As near as I can tell, if I was one of them, wouldn't have time to sleep. I simply agree with much of what others say. Maybe I'm missing something, but most things Wcifh, BigMac, Eddy, and Fit sat seem to be true. You, however, said you were a longtime skeptic but didn't even understand the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence.
@wingbozo Since u keep bringing up alts,i think that it s becoming clearer and clearer that u may in fact not be a disciple of Mac,but as i suspected any times in the past,u may actually be Mac's alt.Your timing is becoming more and more suspicious.In either case,u r both mis-informed morons that need to grow up,get more martial art experience,as well as take a basic course in philosophy 101,because your contentions SUCK big time
@wingbozo WRONG- Absolutely NO evidence at all. All that exists are 2 or 3 old videos of TERRIBLE WC guys getting whipped.THAT'S your proof? I can use the same dumb examples and say that boxers suck.U want proof? Look up ufc 1,5,and the latest couture toney fight.They landed on their as without throwing a punch.According to your idiotic lgic,boxing sucks.The other thing is that WC is suited for street attacks,not dancing yoyo attacks like we see in mma.Grow up kiddo. U have alot to learn
Good WC practitioners entered MMA and got slaughtered in seconds, both standup and on the ground.
You either subscribe to WC being shit or not shit. The evidence is there, actual footage of guys in peak condition and at the top of their game... Getting slaughtered.
That in itself can be considered anomalies if there was a mountain of evidence to the contrary. There isn't.
It's the universal LACK of evidence that is the most damning.
@Mac YUP! Ad Hominem-attack and insult the person when u cannot intelligently deal with their points of contention.U have been doing ALOT of that recently.Your latest tactic is to assume that every new person on this site is my alt.This has NOTHING to do with the subject of debate,and is clearly a cheap and lame attempt to avoid dealing with my argument. Apart from your turkey club members eddy,fbox,wing,goose,no one,absolutely NO ONE believes ANYTHING u say.U r fighting a losing battle kiddo
@Skepticalnature I haven't seen Macflanahan do much attacking. He usually returns immediately to his thesis: without empirical evidence one should not believe in wing chun (working on a decent opponent).
@gooseriffic Mcflanahans comments are flawed, WTF is a decent opponent! Like I explained earlier, go to luiseville WingChun take out the sifu and post the video, problem is Sifu Ali will prove how effective wing chun is, go test him, then talk!
@glaurundragon1 What u say about trying to emulate your sifu and have an open mind to different arts is admirable.But forget trying to convince Mac,or any of his idiot disciples goose,wing,eddy,ftbox.They are all young,inexperienced,and frustrated young punks,who have about as much insight and flexibilty of thought,as does a religious fundamentalist.Even if Carlson gracie,bruce lee,inosanto,to name a few,endorsed wc,and encouraged open minded training,these deluded morons believe they know more
@Skepticalnature I only do what I love and belive and I don't care what people think... I love Martial arts and respect and them as equal... That is why I have practiced a lot MA's for a long time... Kendo, Iaido, Jodo, Wing Chun, Kali - Eskrima - Arnis and now Taichi... I would practice all Martial Arts in the world Cuz they are all beautiful. If I had time. Mostly Judo to honor my dad and then every other Martial art...
@MacFlanahan What do you mean with: "Have we found another alt?" I can't understand that. I would like to know the meaning of the phrase... Well unless it is harsh or rude. Peace.
@glaurungdragon1 Skeptical is known for making multiple alternate identities or 'alts'. He typically compliments everything they say in a way that is just way over the top (like he did for you).
You do seem less like an insult-and-run personality that most of his alts are, but we'll see.
@MacFlanahan Well I am not his alternate identity... Maybe you'll find comments in other martial arts videos by "yuvutu6p3" that was my old account but for some reason I cannot access it anymore so I had to use this account again... And I answered that guy that I don't care what other people think I do what I like and what I believe in. That guy must have serious issues to do that. I have more Taichi vids on my channel, for you to gather more evidence... Greetings from Mexico.
@CFgroup1 Yup- the Macturkey club members need each other.Always the same group of idiots coming through to support MacDick's non-sensical analogies, hatred[mainly through ignorance] of anything that he disagrees with,and twisted logic.NO understanding of science,NO creative insight, and obviously NO real martial art knowledge and/or experience.Poor souls.Totally brainwashed they are by this sick and deluded individual.It's like trying to reason with a religious fundamentalist.Good luck
@goose ,we're all waiting for u to stick your goose neck out and come to your idiot guru's recue.@wing Come on,u too.Mac needs u.@eddynot4real Come on,u too,we all know that u r also a disciple of MacTurkey.U r both really good at avoiding and not answering martial art questions that will expose your ignorance to the rest of us.
@MacChicken You never did answer my question,did u? As usual,u try and deflect it by bringing in irrelevancies in a lame attempt to distract and forget so as to not have to deal with it.Well i'm not letting u off the hook kiddo.U speak of ad hominems,and insult and run tactics.That's EXACTLY what YOU do.No one here agrees with ANYTHING u say. your ONLY support are your idiot club members,eddy,wing,fitbox,and goose.The rest of think that u r the biggest fuckin moron to troll the net,gigs up kiddo
it depends if you believe in your art, you may or may not, their is not stronger style, it depends on you, I've took mma, muay thai boxing, kickboxing, and kung fu, wing chun, the tradition i enjoyed it, the punches were quick, mma is bruteful sport, like gladiators i liked fighting in the cage, but i like style of wing chun was fast,quick. thats it
in a way i have to say i agree! i took kung fu back in the day for about 6 months and none of it felt natural to me, especially them damn forms! when i took muay thai, i grasped a whole lot more in one day than my entire time in learning kung fu! muay thai was like a science while the kung fu lessons seemed more mystical or something! i never could learn to channel my chi! i'd rather put my body behind what i throw to get all the power i need! channel energy from chi my ass
@wingchunisforhomos i know the chi stuff is all bullshit;) if im correct, most kun fu styles are supposedly based off the way animals attack prey or etc. take monkey, tiger, praying mantis, leopard, and i think a crane! point is humans are not meant to fight like animals and are stupid to try to fight like one. we cannot generate there power, especially a tigers! maybe thats were the chi comes in
@1980mvagustaf4 But even Muay Boran has its roots in animal forms. Elephant, Tiger and Duck... Lethwei aka Birmanian Kickboxing (Myanmar nowadays) has animal forms in it too... Tiger, Elephant and Dragon. In Muay Thai all of the movements come from animals... Crocodile, Elephant, Monkey, Deer, Fish, Bird, Snake, inanimated things as water, mountains and weapons and it has Mysticism too based on Thai religion and the Ramayana play an important part in Muay Thai tradition.
@glaurungdragon1 i don't see it! give me one example of a modern muay thai move that comes from some animal! and what move in muay thai mimics a crocodiles movements or an elephants? i trained in muay thai for three years and i cant think of anything! and yes i do know that muay thai is evolved from muay boran and some other arts but from what i got, a lot of those moves have become impractical with time as the style became more of a sport!
@1980mvagustaf4 Kwang Leaw Lang or deer kick, Erawan Soei Nga break elephant tusk, Hanuman Tawai Waen Monkey gives a ring it is an uppercut, Jarakhae Fad Hang compare a reverse kick attack with the crocodile's tail blow, Naka Bid Hang Serpent twists its tail a defense kick, Erawan Suey Nga Elephant thrusting its tusks, Hong Peek Hak Swan with broken wings. Just to name some still used today in competition. Ther are a lot of elephant moves, just can remember.
Lion's Walk" is in MuayThai Chaiya, and "Tiger's Walk" is in MuayThai Korat
There are a number of "animalistic" techniques or strategies within MuayThai, but there is no overall animal style. MuayThai has moves to mimic movements by certain animals But there is no actual "style" devoted to any of these animals though. Greetings from Mexico.
@1980mvagustaf4 I know this cause my Chief instructor studied many years muay thai... And the instructor below him is in fact a Muay Thai fighter... And well that's all I know and can remember. I would've like to know more. Peace Greetings from Mexico.
How does simultaneous defence strike work outside of demos and compliant partners? Unless the attack is telegraphed you won't be able to do it. The only example I know is the boxers cover with one arm whilst striking with the other.
Yeah, agreed. I think it gets forgotten that this thread is about WC being useless against a skilled fighter. One can extrapolate that it's also useless in a wider context. The only stand up arts I respect are boxing and muaythai/kickboxing. WC absolutely cannot compete with these. BJJ exposed the inherent weakness with standup arts in that they need space within which to function.
@wingchunisforhomos Mate I absolutely agree, after doing various MA styles, mainly WC, by FAR the toughest striking opponents were good western boxers, Muay Thai less so but those boys are pretty hard and with the elbows etc its the style of choice among security here in Thailand of course. But my premise remains that yes, if 1v1 taking it to the ground is usually the way to go, but otherwise you should really try to stay as mobile as possible.
first joe rogan is a douche second without styles like wing chun kung fu you wouldnt have a ufc if u watch the old stuff the ufc incorperated all styls and to say one is ineffective is ignorant any style can beat any style it depends on the fighter
Maybe just maybe people do different styles because they love them. Is it bad I went to learn Kendo, Iaido, Jodo, Kali, Wing Chun. Am I wrong for loving those arts even if they are ineffective? Martial Arts are more than just winning competitions and hitting other people. There are ones who strive for higher values like Tai Chi, Aikido, or Kendo, or any art embended with the Budo spirit. Any Martial artist goal should be to be a better person. Not to destroy other people. Greetings from Mexico.
Is God real, maybe not, I haven't seen any video of God in youtube. And what is wrong with people practicing Martial Arts styles with weapons, A Kendoka could win a fight vs an Eskrimador. Would that really prove anything at all? Martial Arts were meant for these. To protect oneself, to protect and help the weak, to protect your loved ones, to protect your country or king when at war. If there were ineffective martial arts, they would've dissapear for not fulfilling the reasons mentioned above.
If anyone wants to do KungFu (any style), what is wrong with that? And if there are people that love Wing Chun or for whom Wing Chun has been effective in real life. Does it makes the art superior or inferior to any other art if you don't post a video in youtube. I love all the Martial Arts in the world. Respect and tolerance is what I've learned from TMA's (very infecttive techniques RESPECT and TOLERANCE) Keep training. Peace for you all... Greetings from Mexico.
Just for a sec. What if Aikidoka's had won all the UFC, K1, etc tournaments. All of you will be crazy for Aikido, the same would be with any other art. I have wasted my life and money training in what makes me really happy and a complete person? I just don't think so. Yes I might get manhandled and embarassed and with my Wing Chun ass kicked back from where I came. That doesn't bother me. TMA's won't dissappear any time soon. And what's MMA but many TMA's put together. Greetings from Mexico.
@MacFlanahan So give us proof of WC getting owned! If your "conclusion" is....without testing your hypothesis or null hypothesis, witch is scientific absurdity.....Any way, I digress....that WC is useless than u should have tons of clips/links 2 it getting beat!
@MacFlanahan Wrong, wrong and....wrong again! U have 2 test both your hypothesis and null hypothesis against its negative...Seriously address that statement exactly, don't redirect of 2 la la land. Take WC, if u believe it works you have 2 search for evidence that it doesn't right? than your null, u have 2 search for proof that it does, right? If u dont believe WC works u have 2 search for evidence that it does, right? and your null u have 2 search for evidence that it doesn't!
@MacFlanahan And I'm the idiot here Jeez..Take a look @ yourself!.....What do u see?......U really think u understand this?.....No, I know your trying 2 confuse dumb people....Thats cool for guys who hide behind shadow accounts.....U don't have 2 prove a thing....theres no credibility here on YouTube, so the dumb insistence for video proof is as irrelevant as these empty channels.....till you grow some balls and actually have a legit channel your just comedy for me!
@CFgroup1 Ad Hominem. I know you don't know what that means, but that's what you just did. Even if I'm in a wheelchair and have never thrown a punch in my life, it doesn't change the logic of my argument.
Only a stupid person would think it does.
The only person who is confused is you.
No empirical evidence of Bigfoot, Santa, faerries, ghosts, or alien abductions.
That's why we don't believe in them.
No evidence of wing chun beating a decet opponent.
@MacFlanahan yup, AH is credible challenge of someone who refuses 2 support there opinions with any kind of validation.....Um, thats U......LOL! It's cool.....You don't understand.....But thats why your here on YouTube with a shell account......Right?....No proof of WC getting beat......Right?....Yup, I am, LOL.... Oh yeah, I gotta start training @ 6:30am so no time for laughing @ U...How many hours of BJJ r u taking today?.....Me, Hum, took 2 days off...I'm good for 3...LOL @ U!
@CFgroup1 That is not my understanding of an Ad Hominem. My understanding it is when you say something like, "You don't know anything about Wing Chun because you don't have any clips of it on your page." en (dot) wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Ad_hominem
@MacFlanahan Depending on your assertion of hypothetical conclusion...No, thats 2 complex for ya...Don't know how 2 break that down 2 dumb dumb MacSpeak.....If u think about it for, lets say 3 minutes...uinterrupted minutes U might figure it out....K, nuff of this BS gotta C and T... long day, wish I was a YouTube nobody so I could spout off about shit I know nothing about....Ehem MacBurger....But time to Crap and Train...Let the comedy begin....Give me the best twisted shit u got!
@CFgroup1 experiencing something is firsthand anecdotal evidence. Being told something is secondhand anecdotal evidence. You might trust your firsthand anecdotal evidence but others really shouldn't.
@MacFlanahan Ether way fucktard u have 2 provide evidence that it doesn't work!...God its like arguing with morons........Wait......Oh shit......This is YouTube.....Anyone can come on here and have an anonymous account they opened in august....Right BigMadDogMacBurger?.....Or block it all together......Wow thats the way 2 establish credibility!....Oh yeah...Shit this is YT....Now I'm attacking a guy who isn't even confident enough 2 have a real channel with Ad Homenim.....2 funny!
@MacFlanahan Yup, U do! Thats how hypothetical scientific inquiry works.....Don't trust me.....Look it up!.....No I'm not talking 2 u MacBurger....The other guys out there.....LOL!
Look up anecdotal evidence.......Is it evidence given from the first or second person......For dumb dumbs....Ehem....MacBurger......Is it something that someone experienced or is it something someone heard from someone else.......Get the difference?......I know thats a stretch of mental capacity, LOL!
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ppa1983 3 hours ago in playlist Favorite videos
I have a feeling that Joe Rogan would probably get his arse kicked if he went up against a shaolin martial monk.
traceurjason 4 hours ago
joe rogan is a pot smoking idiot, what happens in the ufc when guys accidently get poked in the eye or kicked in the balls the fight is stopped instantly cause they cant go on, wing chun (along with all martila arts excluding mma) targets the eyes and balls, hey youve gotta know some ground work but you cant excluded everything for MMA, joe go smoke a bong you fuckhead, (i do not practice wing chun)
ironbuddha1008 5 hours ago
Joe has no idea what a real fight is, controlled love making in a caged ring is far from it. He's one very sad person, laughing at others for enjoying their life. Everyone does something to pass the time on this earth, rolling around in a UFC ring on top of another guy is what he loves to do, and I don't see many people mocking him for that homosexual behavior. Some people need to grow up. o_O
McBandycars 9 hours ago 2
@SilverLion567
That's just years of body conditioning. I've seen western circus performers do more impressive feats, they don't claim any mystical energy.
And I guess the years of weightlifting has developed my chi to grow muscles?? Or the years of studying has developed the chi in my brain to make me intelligent? Or the chi in my skin gives me a sun tan?? Blah blah...
wingchunisforhomos 9 hours ago
@SilverLion567
That clip on shaolin monks and chi...
@4.03 priceless!
wingchunisforhomos 9 hours ago
@harpoon
I called daddy Ali, he said you're barred from ever stepping into his dojo ever again. He wouldn't go into detail, his voice kept breaking into half sobs.
Something about you introducing a new form while he was away, he said you called it SHAI NEE KOK form...
wingchunisforhomos 10 hours ago
@harpoon
The only thing you've beaten is your own meat... at the back of the dojo while class are doing sil lum Tao.
wingchunisforhomos 10 hours ago
@wingchunisforhomos Damn, are you watchin, homo. Watch out I've studied psyche and have noticed you have homosexual infatuations, just by your comments and your code name. When u make that video takin out a w.c. expert post it, otherwise you are bullshito!
harp1925 10 hours ago
his right, in part....
commandodj 10 hours ago
Haha...do youse seriously think that we laugh a wingchun but haven't trained/ sparred them. Lol...that's how we know WC is shit Haha
1fitkbox 11 hours ago
Yes...but boxing on its own has beat many a skilled fighter...wrestling too...judo too...wc fights no 1...beats no 1
1fitkbox 11 hours ago
@1fitkbox Do you have "emperical" evidence of your claim. LOL! Wing Chun skills can be used standing or grappling, just depends on the skill of the fighter. Keep runnin your mouth you will find out, fact. I've taken out skilled fighters, by puttin a brick to their head, hard to hit me from ten feet away, real street fight skills. Now, I'm done with this thread, winghomo is getting aroused, time to leave this bullshito thread.
harp1925 10 hours ago
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@Septic already told you, you can go ahead and waste hours of your life signing in and out to flag my comments.
I'm just going to take a few seconds to repost them.
Have fun wasting your life )
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@SilverLion567 I saw them balance on sharp surface, but there's plenty of evidence of people building enough scar material to do that. When did they get slashed with swords?
MacFlanahan 12 hours ago
Yep, you are septic and all other alts. WC clubs are now on high alert, code red etc.
Previous training partners of harpoon are undergoing intensive counselling and rehabilitation into normal methods of training. Some are so traumatised by your takedown attempts that they now padlock their pants.
wingchunisforhomos 12 hours ago
Inosanto has put out an all WC club alert for anyone claiming to be septic, strailo, loksinsan, eezeeskank, or harp1925. Apparently harpoon kept getting an erection during chi sau, and his takedown attempts mysteriously froze once his face dropped in line with the groin area. Other chunners had to prize his face away from the poor victims crotch. It is indeed true... WC is for homos.
wingchunisforhomos 13 hours ago
I've just rang up inosanto about septic...Dan said" for fks sake...keep septic on YouTube as he's sick of you at his class asking stupid questions like " master, why does stick bend when touch water"
1fitkbox 13 hours ago
@1fitkbox Hey....The Box is back!...LOL!.... Scroll down and tell me what u think about the points that MuayThai guy made about the origins of some of the movements.
CFgroup1 10 hours ago
OMG, watching septic have a conversation with his alt!!!
Ok harpoon! Let's see if you are septic, answer this question: do you believe in fairies? If not, why not?
I've answered it, it's not difficult.
wingchunisforhomos 15 hours ago
@wingchunisforhomos ALT, are you joking? I do believe in fairies, aren't you posting? That is proof fairies exist, LMAO! Quit being an internet warrior and come to Kentucky-kick sifus ass, post the video and prove your point. Go to any wing chun sifu, and test him out, post the video, and prove yourself, big man (LOL). BTW, people are laugihng at you, cause u don't have a clue. Go get your ass kicked and learn, or remain the dumbfuck you really are. Get your mind off homos, fairyboy!
harp1925 12 hours ago
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MacFlanahan 12 hours ago
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@harp1925 Typical Septic: insult and run. Never address the fact that Wing Chun can't provide a single piece of evidence where it works on a decent opponent.
MacFlanahan 9 hours ago
@CFgroup1
Now you show your inexperience in fighting.
wingchunisforhomos 15 hours ago
@wingchunisforhomos ?...Cause I know the reality of guys who dont train getting rusty? Dude, I fall victim 2 that 2. I'm not going 2 delude myself and think I can take guys in rolling if I havent been training. Thats the thing u armchair MA experts fall for, you think that because u may have been the shit years ago that bears any relevance in the present. Same with WC guys who don't regularly test there technique against skilled opponents! plus I was poke'n ya a little, LOL!
CFgroup1 10 hours ago
@wingchunisforhomos .........Nah, I'm not going 2 go on any more......Time 2 take the 2nd shit of the day,....Yeah, the all veggies and protein diet makes me poopy, LOL!....My girlfriend hates me, Haha...Than shred the guitar for a few hours before class.....Cheers!
CFgroup1 10 hours ago
@CFgroup1 Good one bro lol
Skepticalnature 15 hours ago
@harp1925 Funny you should think that wing is 12 years old.I always thought he was at least 13 lmfao
Skepticalnature 15 hours ago
Now all we have to do now is wait for the other 2 idiot turkey members to come to the rescue, GOOSE to stick his dumb gooseneck out,and WINGBOZO to make more infantile,, irrelevant and off the wall comments that only validates his stupidity and immaturity
Skepticalnature 16 hours ago
@eddynot4real Go ahead ,insult me,and ignore me if u want.But all that stuff only ADDS to the fact that u r a chicken shit dickhead,who has prven time and time again to know absolutely ZERO about anything.U could not answer a basic grappling question,yet u like to come across as an expert on combat.U made a FALSE claim that WC took up the gracie challenge and lost,which is NOT true.And u ignore the fact that carlson gracie endorsed wc.End result? U r a typical turkey member.STUPID and UNINFORMED
Skepticalnature 16 hours ago
@Skepticalnature The thing that u should ride him about is advising everyone 2 train a style he has admitted he's only taken a couple of classes in. Dont bother waiting for him 2 answer a question outside his skill set, he just doesn't know the answer.....And no Eddie, thats not an Ad Homenim attack....thats an Ad Rem critique.....Better start looking it up, LOL! Hint, u won't find it just by a simple google search, u have 2 search it proceeded by its opposite....Have fun, LOL!
CFgroup1 15 hours ago
@fitbox Still don't have the balls to cll up inosanto,or train with a real modern day jkd guy? If nothing else,your claims of there not being any WC in jkd is in and of itself more than enough proof that u r NOT a real martial artist at all,and have NO fuckin idea about what you are talking. Aside from the fact that u r a MacTurkey club member,how can the rest of us on this post possibly take u seriously?
Skepticalnature 16 hours ago
@Skepticalnature Think Kbox said he's away for a while. Plus he's old and hasn't trained for ever other that a few miles a week on a tread mill and teaching his SD classes.....Basically any one could kick his ass, who'd trained hard for the last couple of years in just about any style, haha.......Right Kbox? You of all people should know, if you don't use it you loose it! LOL
CFgroup1 16 hours ago
@harp1925 Ever notice how it is ALWAYS the same goup of idiots that make the most ridiculous and infantile comments?The MacTurkey members[ eddy,wing,fitbox,goose] are nothing but a bunch of young and inexperienced punks who have NO fuckin idea of what they are talking about.No one else on this post believes or agrees with ANYTHING they say.They have been exposed time and time again as nothing but a bunch of moron kids who have NO business on this post
Skepticalnature 16 hours ago
@Skepticalnature Right on, the fact that anyone questions chi energy is a joke. Also, WTF is a decent fighter, LOL! Mcnut talks about fallacy, yet the very comment about a decent fighter is a fallacy, very vague! Anyway, I told these clowns and anyone else where to find a wing chun ass whippin, notice no one has stepped forward, case closed.
harp1925 16 hours ago
@harp19 A decent runner,would be a man good enough to maybe run in national titles, or maybe go olympics,a decent swimmer,the same,a "decent" fighter would be anybody who can win pro rules fights in any FULL CONTACT "style,not at a local sports centre in a tornament without head punches,but real "full contact"ie. K1,muaythai,lethwei,pradel serey, boxing, wrestling, bjj,even judo, thats what the world calls a "real" fighter. As we get older,we develope a lazy intelligence,I still kick ass lol
Mrfitkbox1 15 hours ago
@Mrfitkbox1 Boxing, nice ground game! Wrestling, nice boxing skills! Thanks for the info! LOL!
harp1925 12 hours ago
@harpingONandONand...
Search "the wondrous world of chi power", if you have these powers then I take it all back, I mean, combine this with the fearsome chain fondle and it's curtains for MMA.
And we all know you're septic and eezeeskank and strailo and...
LMFAO
wingchunisforhomos 16 hours ago
@wingchunisforhomos You are hilarious! Seriously, How old are you, 12? Answer this, what is a decent fighter? That is a vague comment, decent could mean anything, LOL! Yet, you base your wing chun comments on decent fighters, LOL! Also, in this video, Joe Rogan talks about some black dudes in New York, what a large sampling of wing chun. Pure fallacy. A total joke! Still waitin i Kentucky for your beat down!
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MacFlanahan 19 hours ago
@glaurungdragon1 Thnx for the excellent info on MuiThai! I woke up late and gotta train, so I can't research it now but looking forward to learning more this afternoon. If you have any links would you post them? Thnx again!
CFgroup1 20 hours ago
Kung fu is nonsense.
pismostroch 22 hours ago 8
So true.
pismostroch 22 hours ago
@harp1925
Didn't take long to root out those comments. Consider yourself ignored, loser.
LMFAO
wingchunisforhomos 1 day ago
@harp1925 Hey Holmes i mean ezeeskank i mean Harp 1925 LMAO! It must be hard for a Mexican guy to pretend to be a white guy from detroit. LMAO! Hey four words i think you should know. Here they are copy,page image,web page scripting, enycryption and open port. LMAO! You my friend have been fun. It was fun while it lasted but the gig is up. A Mexican guy that pretend to be more then one person so that his alter ego comes on you tube web pages to agree with his lame unfactual opinion on GW lol
wingchunisforhomos 1 day ago
@wingchunisforhomos Thanks for the info, now that u KNOW I am many different accounts (U REALLY ARE A FUCKIN FOOL), all u have done is prove u r an ignorant wimp! I have two accounts, both with the Harp name. Still waiting for you in Kentucky, pussy! Bring Mcfaggot with you, and get destroyed! LMAO! Now, your borrowing accusations from 2ndtonone, a real winner, bahahah! When u understand chi, I will listen to u, but as of now you are a true coward/pussy/wimp!
harp1925 17 hours ago
@harp1925 remember this...
"@harp1925 The hoax is up asshole stop pretending. Come on Holmes we know you and ezeeskank are the same people. LMAO! You're a fake phoney piece of shit plain an simple. A mexican guy trying to act like a white guy but you told on yourself dipshit. An you're still at it. Keep it up assclown. You're not only stupid you're a liar and a fraud. Using two accounts and gets caught. Priceless!"
If you really know daddy Ali get him to unblock me. But you can't because you'
wingchunisforhomos 1 day ago
Harp1925=septic=loksinsan=strailo33=eezeeskank=... Lol
wingchunisforhomos 1 day ago
These WANG JUNK club really need to get together and provide an empirical evidence that Mac has been requesting for AGES. Not a single professional win in any full contact competitions nor having any footage or clips of Wing Chun fighters fighting in the streets against experienced fighters and winning. You WC fantasy fan boys live in a dream world and have yet to fight against real fighters.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 day ago
Wow, I've been gone for a 2 days and wow, what a jungle as always. And WOW, SUCKDICKALNATURE CAME BACK and yet, expects us to respond immediately when he cannot still answer relevant questions to the debate. Anyways, until he can answer any of our questions of providing an empirical evidence of WC working against experienced fighters, either on the streets or any full contact competitions, his comments are worthless as always. Oh, and asking about my ground game doesn't prove anything. =)
EdDy4RheelZ 1 day ago
I got monkey fist haha. Kung fu is a fail just like aikido.
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MacFlanahan 1 day ago
@rozmahel9 Wise words my friend.Good luck trying to have a reasonable conversation with them.I wish u all the best
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
@Skepticalnature Im back...and im even more immature & evil than before ....ive missed you while sitting supping a beer on a beach on the Greek Isle of Asbestos...Septic, in all the times youve commented, youve never stated & proved 1 fact in your favour...JKD is all MMA now, 90% of it is BJJ,MT ect,you cant show us 1 good WC man...proving hes good at using WC to beat any fighter,no decent pro fighters in the world rate WC in anyway, its known as a joke...your not a bjj BB & you know we know now
Mrfitkbox1 17 hours ago
@rozmahel9 These guys are CLUELESS about martial arts,or anything else.I have honestly tried to reason with these guys,but it is an impossibilty.Ask CFgroup1 as well.We've been on this post for a while now,and have seen through the bullshit these guys put out.In all honesty,they have about as much insight into martial arts,logic and life in general,as does a flee on a dog's ass
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
@rozmahel9 I just explained that trying to have an intelligent and mature conversation with any of the MacTurkey club members is an impossibilty.Don't waste your breath on these bozos.They are hopeless
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
@Skepticalnature This isn't me trying to tell them they are wrong, I am just having a conversation with them about the topic at hand. Just because they have their own opinion and support each others similar beliefs, doesn't mean that you should categorize them like you do. You are only hurting your opinion on this video by giving up reason and just trying to insult people. I don't want to be categorized in whatever group they put you in, I just want to discuss because its fun.
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MacFlanahan 19 hours ago
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@Skepticalnature To be fair, I don't think you're Septic.
I'd be willing to have a discussion with you if you're (unlike Septic) willing to answer some questions.
I'll, in return, answer any questions you have if you're willing to take turns and avoid insults (also unlike Septic)
If I may go first:
Do you believe in faerries? if not, why not?
MacFlanahan 12 hours ago
See folks? What did i say? Was i right or not? I told u it would be a matter of minutes before one of the idiots would step forward lmfao
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
Congratulations Wing. U r the first of the idiot club members to step forward
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
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The MacTurkey club has provided NO evidence at all.NONE whatsoever.All they can present are 2 or 3 old videos of WC noobs getting whipped.THAT'S the proof? What a joke. I can use the same dumb examples and say that boxers suck.U want proof? Look up ufc 1,5,and the latest couture toney fight.The boxers landed on their ass without throwing a a single punch.According to that idiotic logic,boxing sucks.The other thing they don't get is t WC is suited for street attacks,not dancing yoyo attacks
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
Rozmahel9=septic=harp=loksinsan=...
wingchunisforhomos 1 day ago
@wingchunisforhomos lol? At no point have I been rude to anyone I am discussing this topic with. Nor have I ever claimed you are all alts of one person, I am just having a discussion with whoever is reasonable enough to have a decent conversation with me about this. So why are you even addressing me if it's not to discuss the topic of this video or the conversation within these comments?
rozmahel9 1 day ago
A few of us on this post who have been on for a while even suspect that all these other dickhead club members,may in fact be MacTurkey himself,coming to his own rescue as an alt.The timing is particularly suspicious
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
Which one will be first? Come on dickheads.We're all waiting
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
Watch carefully people.Any time now one of the turkey club members will pop up.Will it be wingbozo? Gooseneck? Eddynot4real? Fitbox? Or the MacDick himself.See if i'm right or not folks
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
Don't try reasoning with Mac.Despite having his contentions defeated,the errors of his ways exposed ,he continues his infantile games.The ONLY people that agree with ANYTHING he says and come to his rescue,especially when he has been cornered, are his turkey club members[goose,wing,eddy,fbox].They are nothing but a group of young inexperienced morons.They are INCAPABLE of serious debate,and have NO business on this post.Stick around,and you'll see.The evidence will speak for itself
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
@wingchunisforhomos /watch?v=tX8mGt0K_JI&feature=related
SilverLion567 1 day ago
@SilverLion567 is that chi or just physical conditioning?
gooseriffic 1 day ago
@SilverLion567
So what is chi? What's it supposed to do? Why would someone be more awesome with it against someone without?
wingchunisforhomos 1 day ago
@gooserific
Harp1925 has been exposed on other sites for using alts to agree with himself. As I dug deeper it was just the same writing style as septic. I ignore the loser.
For the record, WC is shit. WC is only practiced by impressionable dweebs.
Fact.
wingchunisforhomos 1 day ago
@wingchunisforhomos Nice way to dodge your lame ass comments! Now, back up your words and take on sifu ali, or are u a pussy? You claim wing chun is for homos, now go and prove it. We will be waiting for the video proof. Otherwise u r shit! All talk! As far as my other alts, I've used one other name, thegreatharp, when my account got messed up. Watch yourself, you assume things, a great way to get your ass kicked. Have a nice time in Kentucky, LOL!
harp1925 1 day ago
@SilverLion567
There is no evidence of chi. Post some references, otherwise it's a victorian parlour trick for the gullible.
Chi is as credible as magic spells.
wingchunisforhomos 1 day ago
@wingchunisforhomos Damn, are you fuckin stupid. Chi is your life force dumbfuck, how the fuck do you move, by chi energy. OMG, your credibility is null! Tell Mcflanahan there is no chi and see what he says, if he has any creds left he'll laugh at you. Wake up boy, your soundin stupid and dumb.
harp1925 1 day ago
@harp1925 I agree, these guys no nothing bout chi ...many little Chinese men who live in caves & stand on 1 leg all day practising kungfu...would use there chi to flatten Huge UFC fighters like Overeem & Velasquez in seconds...UFC fighters have also never felt to power of a chain punch to the chest...Wing Chun rules...yeah yeah yeah
Mrfitkbox1 17 hours ago
@Mrfitkbox1 OOOH a sarcastic comment. Well, get your facts straight, I have never dissed any MMA fighters, only clowns who try to dog wing chun and chi energy. Ever hear of acupuncture, where energy channels are blocked, proof of chi energy. As far as big MMA guys........STEROIDS SURE HELP. Doesn't mean they can't fight, but it sure helps, LMAO! BTW, what is a decent fighter?
harp1925 16 hours ago
@MacFlanahan Sifu Tony Leung has a student called Sifu Tony Clements a real fighter, who got rejected by ufc. my source is his students if you were wondering ;)
PS: he's on youtube
SilverLion567 1 day ago
@SilverLion567 I can't find this tony clements online, meaning he has no mixed martial arts record.. Why would the UFC take a fighter who has no professional record? You have to work our way into the UFC, it's like being drafted into the nfl, you can't go up to the head of the organization and tell them you want a "tryout" your tryout is your mixed martial arts record...
Onepiecefan3 1 day ago
@MacFlanahan i acknowledge that most people who claim to have chi (principle energy of life or something along those lines) are fake, and say it for the fame, real mastery of chi gong takes well over 20 years, and involves deep meditation, real chi gong can only be demonstrated by the shaolin monks, Sifu Tony Leung is a master of chi and the shaolin representative of Britain, and he goes around the UK healing people with Chi now.
SilverLion567 1 day ago
That's the thing, if everyone is so sure that WC is useless, then go to a WC school and challenge the sifu. The way I see it is that your opinions are just your opinions and not fact unless you have personally seen evidence that it's a weaker MA. The "Null" that you guys have a hard on for, would say that WC is not useless because it has not been proven useless or ineffective.
rozmahel9 1 day ago
@rozmahel9 That's not my understanding of a Null. As I understand it, a Null is the starting point. As others have stated, we start with the premise that bigfoot and ghosts doesn't exist. Do you believe in ghosts because they haven't been proven to not exist?
gooseriffic 1 day ago
@gooseriffic Understandable. question though, how do you believe the Universe came to be? What explanation would you give if someone asked you that question? Would you follow a religious aspect? Or maybe a scientific one, such as the current explanation being the Big Bang Theory?
rozmahel9 1 day ago
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@Skepticalnature Aright, third time I'm asking: what is wrong with their contentions?
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Skepticalnature 1 day ago
@highscienze Forget it brother.These idiots don't or won't get it.They have been defeated over and over again,and still come up with the same lame arguments.Goose is part of what we call the Macturkey club.The other members are wing,eddy and fbox.They are a bunch of young inexperienced punks who despite having had their as kicked scientifically,philosophically,and having been shown the errors of their ways,refuse to accept defeat.They are not only fighting a losing battle.They have lost alread
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@Skepticalnature Do I need to start counting the number of times I ask and the number of times you ignore the request like BigMac did? Please state what is wrong with their contentions.
gooseriffic 1 day ago
So he's basically saying Bruce Lee was useless because he practiced wing chun.
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@highscienze I don't see anyone making that implication. Bruce Lee started with wing chun but my understanding was he had big problems with it and started studying other things to cover the weaknesses he saw. If anything, Bruce Lee would have been a fan of MMA.
gooseriffic 1 day ago
@gooseneck What u say has absolutely NO credibilty.You've already been exposed as a MacTurkey club member or alt.So it's only natural u will come to Mac's defence.U and your other idiotic pals eddy,and wing are the ONLY ones on this post that have this mis-guided perception.The rest of us think u r all fuckin morons.Doesn't that tell u something?
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
@Skepticalnature Please explain how their contention is wrong.
gooseriffic 1 day ago
@goose As predicted,here come all the MacTurkey club members to the defence,and/or alts,right on cue.Can u guys be any more obvious?
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
@Skepticalnature Not sure how my timing is supposedly becoming suspicious. As near as I can tell, if I was one of them, wouldn't have time to sleep. I simply agree with much of what others say. Maybe I'm missing something, but most things Wcifh, BigMac, Eddy, and Fit sat seem to be true. You, however, said you were a longtime skeptic but didn't even understand the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence.
gooseriffic 1 day ago
@wingbozo Since u keep bringing up alts,i think that it s becoming clearer and clearer that u may in fact not be a disciple of Mac,but as i suspected any times in the past,u may actually be Mac's alt.Your timing is becoming more and more suspicious.In either case,u r both mis-informed morons that need to grow up,get more martial art experience,as well as take a basic course in philosophy 101,because your contentions SUCK big time
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
@wingbozo WRONG- Absolutely NO evidence at all. All that exists are 2 or 3 old videos of TERRIBLE WC guys getting whipped.THAT'S your proof? I can use the same dumb examples and say that boxers suck.U want proof? Look up ufc 1,5,and the latest couture toney fight.They landed on their as without throwing a punch.According to your idiotic lgic,boxing sucks.The other thing is that WC is suited for street attacks,not dancing yoyo attacks like we see in mma.Grow up kiddo. U have alot to learn
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
For the record:
Good WC practitioners entered MMA and got slaughtered in seconds, both standup and on the ground.
You either subscribe to WC being shit or not shit. The evidence is there, actual footage of guys in peak condition and at the top of their game... Getting slaughtered.
That in itself can be considered anomalies if there was a mountain of evidence to the contrary. There isn't.
It's the universal LACK of evidence that is the most damning.
WC is shit, fact.
wingchunisforhomos 1 day ago
@glaurundragon or is it septic et al??
I know you're septic because you too are coming onto this thread and trying to pull the debate away from the almighty bollocks that is WC.
wingchunisforhomos 1 day ago
@Mac YUP! Ad Hominem-attack and insult the person when u cannot intelligently deal with their points of contention.U have been doing ALOT of that recently.Your latest tactic is to assume that every new person on this site is my alt.This has NOTHING to do with the subject of debate,and is clearly a cheap and lame attempt to avoid dealing with my argument. Apart from your turkey club members eddy,fbox,wing,goose,no one,absolutely NO ONE believes ANYTHING u say.U r fighting a losing battle kiddo
Skepticalnature 1 day ago
@Skepticalnature I haven't seen Macflanahan do much attacking. He usually returns immediately to his thesis: without empirical evidence one should not believe in wing chun (working on a decent opponent).
gooseriffic 1 day ago
@gooseriffic Mcflanahans comments are flawed, WTF is a decent opponent! Like I explained earlier, go to luiseville WingChun take out the sifu and post the video, problem is Sifu Ali will prove how effective wing chun is, go test him, then talk!
harp1925 1 day ago
@glaurundragon1 What u say about trying to emulate your sifu and have an open mind to different arts is admirable.But forget trying to convince Mac,or any of his idiot disciples goose,wing,eddy,ftbox.They are all young,inexperienced,and frustrated young punks,who have about as much insight and flexibilty of thought,as does a religious fundamentalist.Even if Carlson gracie,bruce lee,inosanto,to name a few,endorsed wc,and encouraged open minded training,these deluded morons believe they know more
Skepticalnature 2 days ago
@Skepticalnature I only do what I love and belive and I don't care what people think... I love Martial arts and respect and them as equal... That is why I have practiced a lot MA's for a long time... Kendo, Iaido, Jodo, Wing Chun, Kali - Eskrima - Arnis and now Taichi... I would practice all Martial Arts in the world Cuz they are all beautiful. If I had time. Mostly Judo to honor my dad and then every other Martial art...
glaurungdragon1 2 days ago
@glaurungdragon1 hmmm... have we found another alt?
MacFlanahan 2 days ago
@MacFlanahan What is alt??? I don't undersrtand my English is not that good sorry. I am Mexican and have problems with English sometimes.
glaurungdragon1 2 days ago
@MacFlanahan What do you mean with: "Have we found another alt?" I can't understand that. I would like to know the meaning of the phrase... Well unless it is harsh or rude. Peace.
glaurungdragon1 2 days ago
@MacFlanahan I google'd it but I can't find anything as for the meaning of that phrase...
glaurungdragon1 2 days ago
@glaurungdragon1 Skeptical is known for making multiple alternate identities or 'alts'. He typically compliments everything they say in a way that is just way over the top (like he did for you).
You do seem less like an insult-and-run personality that most of his alts are, but we'll see.
MacFlanahan 2 days ago
@MacFlanahan Well I am not his alternate identity... Maybe you'll find comments in other martial arts videos by "yuvutu6p3" that was my old account but for some reason I cannot access it anymore so I had to use this account again... And I answered that guy that I don't care what other people think I do what I like and what I believe in. That guy must have serious issues to do that. I have more Taichi vids on my channel, for you to gather more evidence... Greetings from Mexico.
glaurungdragon1 2 days ago
@CFgroup1 Yup- the Macturkey club members need each other.Always the same group of idiots coming through to support MacDick's non-sensical analogies, hatred[mainly through ignorance] of anything that he disagrees with,and twisted logic.NO understanding of science,NO creative insight, and obviously NO real martial art knowledge and/or experience.Poor souls.Totally brainwashed they are by this sick and deluded individual.It's like trying to reason with a religious fundamentalist.Good luck
Skepticalnature 2 days ago
@Skepticalnature Please enlighten us as to the correct understanding of science.
...but you won't do that.
You'll just insult and run like a cowardly chunner.
MacFlanahan 2 days ago
@goose ,we're all waiting for u to stick your goose neck out and come to your idiot guru's recue.@wing Come on,u too.Mac needs u.@eddynot4real Come on,u too,we all know that u r also a disciple of MacTurkey.U r both really good at avoiding and not answering martial art questions that will expose your ignorance to the rest of us.
Skepticalnature 2 days ago
@MacChicken You never did answer my question,did u? As usual,u try and deflect it by bringing in irrelevancies in a lame attempt to distract and forget so as to not have to deal with it.Well i'm not letting u off the hook kiddo.U speak of ad hominems,and insult and run tactics.That's EXACTLY what YOU do.No one here agrees with ANYTHING u say. your ONLY support are your idiot club members,eddy,wing,fitbox,and goose.The rest of think that u r the biggest fuckin moron to troll the net,gigs up kiddo
Skepticalnature 2 days ago
@Skepticalnature Heh. I'm answered a bunch of your questions. I'll answer more when yo grow the balls to answer some of mine.
...but we all know that will never happen.
You are ball-less and always will be.
MacFlanahan 2 days ago
it depends if you believe in your art, you may or may not, their is not stronger style, it depends on you, I've took mma, muay thai boxing, kickboxing, and kung fu, wing chun, the tradition i enjoyed it, the punches were quick, mma is bruteful sport, like gladiators i liked fighting in the cage, but i like style of wing chun was fast,quick. thats it
terewolf12 2 days ago
in a way i have to say i agree! i took kung fu back in the day for about 6 months and none of it felt natural to me, especially them damn forms! when i took muay thai, i grasped a whole lot more in one day than my entire time in learning kung fu! muay thai was like a science while the kung fu lessons seemed more mystical or something! i never could learn to channel my chi! i'd rather put my body behind what i throw to get all the power i need! channel energy from chi my ass
1980mvagustaf4 2 days ago
@1980mvagustaf4
Chi is a bit like fairy dust, nice idea but no evidence of its existence.
wingchunisforhomos 2 days ago
@wingchunisforhomos i know the chi stuff is all bullshit;) if im correct, most kun fu styles are supposedly based off the way animals attack prey or etc. take monkey, tiger, praying mantis, leopard, and i think a crane! point is humans are not meant to fight like animals and are stupid to try to fight like one. we cannot generate there power, especially a tigers! maybe thats were the chi comes in
1980mvagustaf4 2 days ago
@1980mvagustaf4 But even Muay Boran has its roots in animal forms. Elephant, Tiger and Duck... Lethwei aka Birmanian Kickboxing (Myanmar nowadays) has animal forms in it too... Tiger, Elephant and Dragon. In Muay Thai all of the movements come from animals... Crocodile, Elephant, Monkey, Deer, Fish, Bird, Snake, inanimated things as water, mountains and weapons and it has Mysticism too based on Thai religion and the Ramayana play an important part in Muay Thai tradition.
glaurungdragon1 2 days ago
@glaurungdragon1 i don't see it! give me one example of a modern muay thai move that comes from some animal! and what move in muay thai mimics a crocodiles movements or an elephants? i trained in muay thai for three years and i cant think of anything! and yes i do know that muay thai is evolved from muay boran and some other arts but from what i got, a lot of those moves have become impractical with time as the style became more of a sport!
1980mvagustaf4 2 days ago
@1980mvagustaf4 Kwang Leaw Lang or deer kick, Erawan Soei Nga break elephant tusk, Hanuman Tawai Waen Monkey gives a ring it is an uppercut, Jarakhae Fad Hang compare a reverse kick attack with the crocodile's tail blow, Naka Bid Hang Serpent twists its tail a defense kick, Erawan Suey Nga Elephant thrusting its tusks, Hong Peek Hak Swan with broken wings. Just to name some still used today in competition. Ther are a lot of elephant moves, just can remember.
glaurungdragon1 2 days ago
@1980mvagustaf4 HAK KOR ERAWAN (Maemai Mai Muaythai)
and CHANG PRASAN NGA (Kon Kae Mad)
Chang Iyara or Erawan all mean elephant.
Lion's Walk" is in MuayThai Chaiya, and "Tiger's Walk" is in MuayThai Korat
There are a number of "animalistic" techniques or strategies within MuayThai, but there is no overall animal style. MuayThai has moves to mimic movements by certain animals But there is no actual "style" devoted to any of these animals though. Greetings from Mexico.
glaurungdragon1 2 days ago
@1980mvagustaf4 I know this cause my Chief instructor studied many years muay thai... And the instructor below him is in fact a Muay Thai fighter... And well that's all I know and can remember. I would've like to know more. Peace Greetings from Mexico.
glaurungdragon1 2 days ago
@1980mvagustaf4 sorry for my lame grammar and writting... Greetings from Mexico.
glaurungdragon1 2 days ago
@glaurungdragon1 its all good! I guess I stand corrected! greetings from ohio
1980mvagustaf4 1 day ago
@wingchunisforhomos you cant visualize planetary circulation either but you see the effects of it.
highscienze 1 day ago
@primetime397
How does simultaneous defence strike work outside of demos and compliant partners? Unless the attack is telegraphed you won't be able to do it. The only example I know is the boxers cover with one arm whilst striking with the other.
wingchunisforhomos 2 days ago
MMA fighters obviously haven't heard of chi, or disbelieve in it's existence.
SilverLion567 2 days ago
@SilverLion567 Chi might exist. It might not.
There have DEFINITELY been a number of instructors who say they use it but have been shown to be full of it:
/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
MacFlanahan 2 days ago
@SilverLion567 what is chi? is it like an hadouken or something?
1980mvagustaf4 2 days ago
@primetime397
Yeah, agreed. I think it gets forgotten that this thread is about WC being useless against a skilled fighter. One can extrapolate that it's also useless in a wider context. The only stand up arts I respect are boxing and muaythai/kickboxing. WC absolutely cannot compete with these. BJJ exposed the inherent weakness with standup arts in that they need space within which to function.
wingchunisforhomos 2 days ago
@wingchunisforhomos Mate I absolutely agree, after doing various MA styles, mainly WC, by FAR the toughest striking opponents were good western boxers, Muay Thai less so but those boys are pretty hard and with the elbows etc its the style of choice among security here in Thailand of course. But my premise remains that yes, if 1v1 taking it to the ground is usually the way to go, but otherwise you should really try to stay as mobile as possible.
Primetime397 2 days ago
first joe rogan is a douche second without styles like wing chun kung fu you wouldnt have a ufc if u watch the old stuff the ufc incorperated all styls and to say one is ineffective is ignorant any style can beat any style it depends on the fighter
sithlord115 3 days ago
@sithlord115 Exactly.
SPATCHYHD 3 days ago
@sithlord115 Without the Model T we wouldn't have the modern race car.
...doesn't mean the Model T will win in a race against a modern car.
MacFlanahan 3 days ago
Most people that could actually cleanly use Wing Chun in a UFC or Real Fight are either Too Old or Don't Believe in fighting for a sport.
Basic Wing Chun techniques can be used VERY effectively. Mixing those techniques can be a deadly combination.
Also, Taekwondo is VERY effective, they use it in MMA and knock the fuck out people all the time, seriously.
Joe doesn't realise some mechanics in MMA have origins from Wing Chun or Taekwondo.
SPATCHYHD 3 days ago
@SPATCHYHD Absurd.
What is special about Wing Chun? Why would it's practitioners be older or believe less in fighting than, say, Karate?
MacFlanahan 3 days ago
Maybe just maybe people do different styles because they love them. Is it bad I went to learn Kendo, Iaido, Jodo, Kali, Wing Chun. Am I wrong for loving those arts even if they are ineffective? Martial Arts are more than just winning competitions and hitting other people. There are ones who strive for higher values like Tai Chi, Aikido, or Kendo, or any art embended with the Budo spirit. Any Martial artist goal should be to be a better person. Not to destroy other people. Greetings from Mexico.
glaurungdragon1 3 days ago
Is God real, maybe not, I haven't seen any video of God in youtube. And what is wrong with people practicing Martial Arts styles with weapons, A Kendoka could win a fight vs an Eskrimador. Would that really prove anything at all? Martial Arts were meant for these. To protect oneself, to protect and help the weak, to protect your loved ones, to protect your country or king when at war. If there were ineffective martial arts, they would've dissapear for not fulfilling the reasons mentioned above.
glaurungdragon1 3 days ago
If anyone wants to do KungFu (any style), what is wrong with that? And if there are people that love Wing Chun or for whom Wing Chun has been effective in real life. Does it makes the art superior or inferior to any other art if you don't post a video in youtube. I love all the Martial Arts in the world. Respect and tolerance is what I've learned from TMA's (very infecttive techniques RESPECT and TOLERANCE) Keep training. Peace for you all... Greetings from Mexico.
glaurungdragon1 3 days ago
Just for a sec. What if Aikidoka's had won all the UFC, K1, etc tournaments. All of you will be crazy for Aikido, the same would be with any other art. I have wasted my life and money training in what makes me really happy and a complete person? I just don't think so. Yes I might get manhandled and embarassed and with my Wing Chun ass kicked back from where I came. That doesn't bother me. TMA's won't dissappear any time soon. And what's MMA but many TMA's put together. Greetings from Mexico.
glaurungdragon1 3 days ago
@glaurungdragon1 No.
It's not if someone who does a style wins.
It is if the techniques in that style work on a decent opponent.
If Aikido had been shown effective in the hundreds to thousands of fights that, say, BJJ has...
The yes, we'd be interested.
...but it hasn't.
MacFlanahan 3 days ago
@glaurungdragon1 If people want to run backwards in a competitive footrace, they're welcome to do that.
...but don't say it will beat a skilled runner unless you can offer proof.
MacFlanahan 3 days ago
@MacFlanahan So give us proof of WC getting owned! If your "conclusion" is....without testing your hypothesis or null hypothesis, witch is scientific absurdity.....Any way, I digress....that WC is useless than u should have tons of clips/links 2 it getting beat!
CFgroup1 2 days ago
@CFgroup1 just like Septic, you don't understand the Null Hypothesis.
The Null hypothesis is that you don't have to prove something, the other side has to DISPROVE it.
We don't have to prove Bigfoot doesn't exist, other people have to prove he does.
We don't have to prove faerries doesn't exist, other people have to prove they do.
We don't have to prove ghosts don't exist, other people have to prove they do.
Same with wing chun.
Until proof is provided, belief remains at zero.
MacFlanahan 2 days ago
@MacFlanahan Wrong, wrong and....wrong again! U have 2 test both your hypothesis and null hypothesis against its negative...Seriously address that statement exactly, don't redirect of 2 la la land. Take WC, if u believe it works you have 2 search for evidence that it doesn't right? than your null, u have 2 search for proof that it does, right? If u dont believe WC works u have 2 search for evidence that it does, right? and your null u have 2 search for evidence that it doesn't!
CFgroup1 2 days ago
@CFgroup1 ummm... no.
The Null IS the negative. That's what it is.
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Do you seriously think we need to believe in Santa because we can't find any proof he doesn't exist?
No.
Santa exists is the hypothesis and he does not is the Null (negative).
Until you find proof showing the existence of Santa, you work with the premise that he does not exists.
The same is true with wing chun working on a decent fighter.
MacFlanahan 2 days ago
@MacFlanahan And I'm the idiot here Jeez..Take a look @ yourself!.....What do u see?......U really think u understand this?.....No, I know your trying 2 confuse dumb people....Thats cool for guys who hide behind shadow accounts.....U don't have 2 prove a thing....theres no credibility here on YouTube, so the dumb insistence for video proof is as irrelevant as these empty channels.....till you grow some balls and actually have a legit channel your just comedy for me!
CFgroup1 2 days ago
@CFgroup1 Ad Hominem. I know you don't know what that means, but that's what you just did. Even if I'm in a wheelchair and have never thrown a punch in my life, it doesn't change the logic of my argument.
Only a stupid person would think it does.
The only person who is confused is you.
No empirical evidence of Bigfoot, Santa, faerries, ghosts, or alien abductions.
That's why we don't believe in them.
No evidence of wing chun beating a decet opponent.
...that's why we don't believe that either.
MacFlanahan 2 days ago 2
@MacFlanahan yup, AH is credible challenge of someone who refuses 2 support there opinions with any kind of validation.....Um, thats U......LOL! It's cool.....You don't understand.....But thats why your here on YouTube with a shell account......Right?....No proof of WC getting beat......Right?....Yup, I am, LOL.... Oh yeah, I gotta start training @ 6:30am so no time for laughing @ U...How many hours of BJJ r u taking today?.....Me, Hum, took 2 days off...I'm good for 3...LOL @ U!
CFgroup1 1 day ago
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gooseriffic 1 day ago
@CFgroup1 That is not my understanding of an Ad Hominem. My understanding it is when you say something like, "You don't know anything about Wing Chun because you don't have any clips of it on your page." en (dot) wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Ad_hominem
gooseriffic 1 day ago
@CFgroup1 And Ad Hominems aren't a credible challenge. They are considered a logical fallacy (not credible).
gooseriffic 1 day ago
@MacFlanahan Depending on your assertion of hypothetical conclusion...No, thats 2 complex for ya...Don't know how 2 break that down 2 dumb dumb MacSpeak.....If u think about it for, lets say 3 minutes...uinterrupted minutes U might figure it out....K, nuff of this BS gotta C and T... long day, wish I was a YouTube nobody so I could spout off about shit I know nothing about....Ehem MacBurger....But time to Crap and Train...Let the comedy begin....Give me the best twisted shit u got!
CFgroup1 1 day ago
@CFgroup1 experiencing something is firsthand anecdotal evidence. Being told something is secondhand anecdotal evidence. You might trust your firsthand anecdotal evidence but others really shouldn't.
gooseriffic 1 day ago
@MacFlanahan Ether way fucktard u have 2 provide evidence that it doesn't work!...God its like arguing with morons........Wait......Oh shit......This is YouTube.....Anyone can come on here and have an anonymous account they opened in august....Right BigMadDogMacBurger?.....Or block it all together......Wow thats the way 2 establish credibility!....Oh yeah...Shit this is YT....Now I'm attacking a guy who isn't even confident enough 2 have a real channel with Ad Homenim.....2 funny!
CFgroup1 2 days ago
@CFgroup1 Again, no, I don't need to provide evidence that it doesn't work.
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I don't need to provide evidence that doing the backstroke won't beat a decent freestyle swimmer.
I don't need to provide evidence that running backwards won't beat a decent runner.
I don't need to provide evidence the going face-forward won't beat a decent high-jumper.
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If you're going to claim that any of these things is true, YOU need to provide proof.
Without that proof, it just isn't credible.
MacFlanahan 2 days ago
@MacFlanahan Yup, U do! Thats how hypothetical scientific inquiry works.....Don't trust me.....Look it up!.....No I'm not talking 2 u MacBurger....The other guys out there.....LOL!
Look up anecdotal evidence.......Is it evidence given from the first or second person......For dumb dumbs....Ehem....MacBurger......Is it something that someone experienced or is it something someone heard from someone else.......Get the difference?......I know thats a stretch of mental capacity, LOL!
CFgroup1 1 day ago