it does not matter wether weird things started within right after a entry or after a few weeks but the thing is the strange things happend in there acc to book and based on there documentry........the reason y george give diff answers at diff occassions is i think he was still in trauma of that bizzare events
In this interview he says everything was ok in the house for the first few weeks, in another documentary he said things started happening in the first few hours. There is alot of evidence that these people are lying or at least exaggerating alot.
I'm ready this book right now. And to be completely honest I don't think it's scary as of page 188. :/ also their daughter Missy describes Jodie as a pig. Also she says Jodie is a boy. If Jodie can alternate between human and pig that would explain it but right now the movie trailer is way off.
On all the shows that they've been interviewed, Kathy Lutz speaks so damn quiet. She needed to speak up because it makes her sound like she's afraid to be heard....like covering up some sort of guilt.
What is he talking about when he says that "the first two weeks were alot of fun." ? According to the movie and book, they were in the house only 18 days, and stuff started happening right away. Isn't he contradicting himself just by saying that?
The Lutz's changed there story many times. On here they say, nothing happened for two weeks. But in subsequent interviews, they said that Harry their dog tragically tried to hang himself by jumping over their fence within hours after moving in.
@JackPlatt Actually the Lutzes story has remained very consistent. The dog didn't try to hang itself, it was leashed in the yard and jumped over a fence, but the leash wasn't long enough to allow Harry to land on the other side leaving him hanging/strangling on the leash.
This seemed strange at the time but didn't seem "paranormal strange."
After moving out of the house the family talked about the various things during their stay and felt this incident might have been related to the haunting.
Why, are they the only one's too have lived there to have experienced that, the same day the mover got there belongings and he said he felt nothing at all.
I saw a clipping of a lady who lived in the home after the Lutzes, and she said that the stuff they talk about in the movie and in the book of the upstairs glass window shattering and one of the doors coming off never happened. In the clipping, she shows you the door and the window that were supposedly destroyed, and she says that the door and window that are there now are decades old and were definitely not replaced any time recently. So, at least that part of the story is fabricated.
@FriendshipTown You could be right, but I thought that the window she shows is the same window they mentioned in the book ( the almond shaped window in the upstairs bedroom) . But even if that part of the story isn't fabricated I still am pretty skeptical about this whole thing. I guess mostly because other people who have since lived in the house have never reported any problems. I still believe the Lutzes made it all up. But I could be wrong.
i love how people who never xperienced anything of the paranormal world always have to run theyre mouth..who are u people to question any of us who experinced things.its offensive to have people say we hallucinate or its mind tricks..first u forget how many of us in this world have experinced something real.its not a mass conspiracy..or wait ,we all must b on drugs that xplains all the reported incidents.or wait its our minds playing tricks on us.what am i now luke skywalker.,skeptics r dumb
@goldberg7633 I believe you. But I never believed the Lutzes. If they truly went through all of that, they would need counseling andhelp for the rest of their lives. How come the boys haven't said anything recently. Their grown up and all of that. Why wouldn't they talk about it now that mom and pops are dead. Ronnie Defeo has changed his stories 6000 times.
@goldberg7633 I agree with you. I didn't see a "ghost" until I was 37.....but before that I never payed much attention to this kind of genre. I know it wasn't my imagination. Now I investigate the paranormal. Most people are afraid to think outside of their comfort level when it comes to this stuff. Most people have to see it to believe it...otherwise they poke fun at it or pass it off as imagination....but when they DO see it....it's a different story.
the only person shes 'afraid of' is her husband....it just is so obvious to me. she also seems VERY guilty, staring at her feet often whilst he speaks. bizarre.
@littleyellowmonkey Yeah? To me it looks like someone who lived through a very traumatic experience and who would rather forget about it rather than talking about it.
@littleyellowmonkey Keep in mind that years after this, the Lutz's went through a very messy and viscous divorce. Kathy could have, at the time, come clean with a confession of hoax perpetuated by George and damaged him considerably for personal gain. She never did. Both Kathy and George went to their graves adamant that while the movie had been sensationalized, and, to a much lesser extent, even the book - the story that they told was absolutely true.
Its really sad folks believe crap like this....i haven't done research....but who built the house,were there problems when they built it,saying its on a indian burial grounds,and even if it is on burial ground how does that jump to demons getting even with the living.Just cause some wacked out crazed idiot murders his family in the house,and granted that is creepy scary,but it has nothing to do with spirits as when u die u are dead.
@VoiceInBlackness All the talk of Indian burial grounds & curses & demons are just people trying to figure out why the Lutzes experienced what they did.
The Warrens believe it was due to demons while Hans Holzer claims it was due to an Indian curse.
Holzer has given two completely different stories (told not as theories but as "the truth") about how the curse started, so I think we can safely discount his stuff as fantasy.
The Lutzes don't know why this happened, they can only guess like us.
My personal opinion is that the Lutzes did experience many of the things that they have chronicled. I also believe that the book was slightly exaggerated and the movie was "Hollywooded up"-exaggerated and elaborated to make a good movie. However, having said that, hauntings ARE real, I have experienced one and was a skeptic before that. I also believe that the Lutzes practicing Transcendental Meditation most likely attracted what was already demonic spirits in the home.
@dux411 hauntings ARE NOT real.....folks need to get a grip on realilty.There isn't any documented place that has demons nor ghosts....it makes for a good story.Our minds work in strange ways but that dont mean theres demons out there trying to get us.
@VoiceInBlackness I agree. But this story is very interesting, ive been following it my whole life, just watching documentarys and news report here and there, theres a documentary about it, the team went into the house and claimed that the camera they had kept taking random photos and they have a "real" photo of a boy looking out of his room with glowing eyes, im sure it wud be easy to find, thats the only "real" evidence for hauntings i see personally. everything seems like a hoax
I must say i'm pretty skeptical. But i feel for this family. Their brave to move in to a house with such a gruesome and violent history. The Mind can play terrible tricks. But still their emotions seem so down to earth. maybe they are telling the truth.
Jay Anson has been shown to be a liar and hoaxer. Whether there was ever any truth in it is highly doubtful. Certainly, their cooperation with Anson suggests that we should be suspicious.
But George and Kathy Lutz recanted a lot of the information they gave to Jay Anson while he interviewed them for his book ,so therefore you have to take the book as a non- fiction.I'm not saying the house is not haunted assuming that spirits do exist,I doubt it was to that extent as other families have been able to live there in peace,except for the tourists!!!
If you read Jay Ansons Amityville horror the first two days no paranormal events occured, but they had personality changes, they started to fight more.
When Goerge said the first two weeks weren't bad I think he ment things weren't out of countrol yet, there were a lot of unexplainable things happening but they didn't feel their lives were in danger yet.
Wait wait wait - in the documentary, George said that on the first night and even within minutes of moving in they experienced bad things so why does he say in this interview that it was fine for the first few weeks.
When you word it in that manner, I can understand your confusion. But what George said happened that first day was the priest getting slapped and told to "Get Out" by the unseen force and their dog jumping over the fence and hanging by its chain.
The incident with the dog could have been just a freak accident - it was only looking back on things (after fleeing) that they felt it was connected.
And they didn't find out about the priest's encounter until after they fled the house in January.
I was hoping I wasn't the only one who noticed that. How can things begin right away if everything was cool for the first two weeks? Now, I firmly believe that horrifying things happened in that house to them, but inconsistencies like this make it SOUND like a hoax.
I believe their story. I've seen George get teary eyed about it. Someone on a board said they met him and he was tearing up when asked about their last night.
Yeah.. you're right Shadow. After hearing that, I thought it was the other guest Rod Steiger dozing off and snoring or something like that. But it makes you wonder huh? I've been wondering about that too. It's like something from beyond was trying to interrupt the show for some reason. Anyways.. that's my scoop.
I'm not going to take a side here but watch at 5:48 he's pretty convincing. His body language is like a victim being asked to talk about and relive a trauma. Could be because of the ridicule they may face or possibly getting the stories wrong. Never knew about the flies sometimes not being there then reappearing another time. Interesting when heard from the people involved.
I dont know. But "it's" just subtle enough to give me the creeps! If it was a loud lion ROOOOOAAAR that'd be cool- but when it's an undertone like this.............
ronnie de feo is such a fucking liar!!! they even asked the same tribe they said there was no such thing as that ''cementary stupid ass the guy ust have been on crack and i even serchead it up on google
paralization made by demons just right when they are scaryng and submiting people to their mishaps 6 30 that explains most all this it always happens when people are sleeping
Fuck! if it was my house i would build a rollercoaster ride going through it, charge a couple of bucks or two and give some popcorn to the punters at the end.
they took that house, after only 1 year of all the killings inside so there must have been a lot of very bad atmosphere there at that time when they moved in.
@persecutednana What took place in that house was tragic (six people murdered in their sleep), but can you emagine how haunted a building would be if it was built over the ground where the 911 attacts took place where thousands were killed as opposed to just six?!
George Lutz is the first to admit that some of the things in the novel and movie were purely for theatrical reasons if you want the truest version of what happened then you have to watch stuff like this where you can hear it straight from the horse's mouth.
very intetint, ithkin this was a serius case to go to "a show" but the interviwere seems ok, is that grifin ? , but perhaps they shoudndt have taken the house inthe first place, why woudlo they do it knowin somheit that strong had hapneed there?, how long was it after the massacre there? , is the house still there? is it close to newyork ? have other people lived there or experience anyhign ? they loook super honest to me, I dont htki its any hoax at all
very intetint, ithkin this was a serius case to go to "a show" but the interviwer seems ok, is that grifin ? , but perhaps they shoudndt have taken the house inthe first place, why woudlo they do it knowin somheit that strong had hapneed there?, how long was it after the massacre there?
Idon´t know if that shit was real or false((but its fucking freaky)))i went to that house 4 years ago i didnt go inside but the look of that house was fucking freaky)))horrible feeling (((the movie is pretty cool ()()but its not how acctualy happened )()they put a little bit more gore and scary shits)))
Sorry keep ur scare goin! but thats crap they messed up took on hollywood and got screwed.Mad about all there rights to the story! they kept it goin for pride.Ronnie was on drugs he said no voices he made it up.They wanted to make a buck!! is that so hard to beleive? or is it easier for u to beleive that the bad indian made him do it?.Keep up the scare but i wont eat ur shovel full of BULLSHIT!!!
Planed HOAX from the time they bought the house.Easy to see that! ya lets buy a house were a mass murder happend and the killer said there was demons bring our kids there put them in danger.They saw a chance to cash in! plain and simple cant blaim them i would try the same thing.
So they knew that if they faked a haunted house story it would become a best-seller and earn them a lot of money. Wow. Its just so simple, isn't it?
So why didn't they simply sell the house to another family? Would that have hurt book sales? Would it hurt book sales if they claimed the house was eventually cleansed, enabling them to stay living there?
There is no good reason for them giving up the house like they did. It didn't help their story.
Over the years, between the two of them, they've made $300,000.00 total, which works out to less than $15,000.00 a year, before taxes. That's less than working at McDonalds as a counter person.
No one knows why the haunting happened - we can only guess. And we can only guess as to if the house was haunted prior to the murders or not.
Ronnie DeFeo currently claims there was nothing paranormal in that house. During his trial there was no mention of ghosts or any paranormal activity.
Some time later, during an interview with Hans Holzer, Ronnie suggested he might have been influenced by something paranormal, but he has since claimed it was a lie.
Thanks for posting this. Fascinating to see them speaking, after years of just seeing their pictures and reading about them. Great, I appreciate all your postings.
The red room was totally overblown in the books and movies - the Lutzes have brought this to the public's attention since day one, but don't know what you're talking about "the child in the photo being found."
I'm assuming you've watched the recent UK documentary on the case. I haven't seen it yet.
How do you explain the fact that no one has reported any strange activity in the house since the Lutz's left. Paranormal activity, especially of that intensity, doesn't just suddenly stop. Seems like a giant hoax.
I'm no paranormal expert, but there have been other cases of this. Most notably, in the case that inspired "The Entity" - the subsequent occupants of that house reported no paranormal activity.
The Lutzes have also said that "Jodie" followed them to California and it took them years to exorcise that spirit and have also talked about experiencing strange phenomena up until their deaths...so whose to say that a lot of the spirits knew they were leaving and went with them.
ok so he says that nothing bad happened for the first few weeks, but then in another documentary he said their dog tried to hang himself within the first hour......bullshit? yeah...
On moving-in day, they tied the dog up in the backyard. It later tried to jump a fence, but there was not enough slack in the chain for it to land on the other side, leaving the dog hanging.
At the time the family likely thought it was a case of the dog not being used to its surroundings.
But after the haunting, they looked back over everything that went on, and found it strange how there were so many odd incidents (like this one) that happened to them in such a relatively short time frame.
If all the people associated with this case (the psychic investigators,even the people who got rid of their stuff for them) had this obssesion with the house (going back to it,unable to stop thinking about it)were affected like that,then why aren't Geore,Kathy,and the kids affected like that too?
The Lutzes (assuming their experiences were real) lived through the events. The others didn't. Given that the Lutzes said repeatedly in the years following that they didn't like to talk about it because it was reliving those experiences, perhaps they weren't affected because they lived it.
DeFeo's lawyer & the Lutzes came up with this story so DeFeo could get another trial & the Lutzes could get out of a mortgage they couldn't afford since George Lutz's business was going bankrupt. This all came out 15 years ago after Ronnie DeFeo died. It's a hoax, people. Other people have lived in that house for years & had no problems whatsoever (outside of harassment from tourists). Go to Snopes dot com & do a search for Amityville Horror if you're still not convinced.
Snopes is using incidents in the book and movie to try and disprove the case when the Lutzes have always maintained that the book and movie contain fictional elements (out of their control).
If the Lutzes couldn't afford their mortgage, how were they able to let the investigators into their home? This shows they still owned the house after that month was over.
George said his business was going well. I have seen no evidence to the contrary.
The lawyer didn't "confess" - he made an accusation that has never been proven. The Lutzes denied having any such deal with him to fake the house being haunted, and have gone to their death beds still claiming the haunting was real - a feeling still shared to this day by the kids who lived through it. The lawyer made those claims while in a court case trying to get money from the Lutzes.
I believe the Lutz story. maybe it wasnt as grandious as they tell it but i will say that the 70's was a strange time, strange energy and phenomonea. I experienced things as well back then as a child well into my early teens. i dont talk about it much and since i am annonymous i feel safe in writing what i am writing now.
I saw this documentary on the Geographic channel. This Amytiville story is really just a hoax. The murder was real. But the Lutz who moved in a year later, they had a deal with some lawyer and the people from the showbiz and they made up everything. Nothing scary really happened to them. The lawyer Confessed that they made a deal about the Lutz moving in to make a good story.
Their story is inconsistent. Here, Lutz says the first two weeks were fine. In an interview more than 20 years later, Lutz says that within an hour of moving in, their moving in, their dog "tried to hang himself" by jumping over a fence with chained collar on. Did he forget this incident for 20 years and suddenly remember it?
@2getherxo In the Jay anson version and original movie Jody was an invisible pig which Missy (book name) or Amy (original movie name) would see. sometimes George or kathy wouls see glowing red eyes. The name of the defeos daughter was Alison. They changed this in the latesed movie making Jody Defeos daughter. When I saw the original movie I was dissopointed at how different it was from the book but the new movie makes the original movie look like a carbon copy of the book.
The house was the slaughtering ground for native americans, when the DeFoe family moved in, the evil spirits made the son go crazy, he killed all of his family with a rifle, Jody was killed and years later a new family moved in, the father started feeling the effects of evil and started becoming more violent and weird, he killed their dog and eventually went to near insanity, the family escaped.
budderdog, you are giving the plot for the 2005 remake. That movie had nothing to do with the real life story. No dog was killed - George didn't go insane - Jody wasn't a real person. Watch the 1979 film - that gives a more accurate view of what really happened (minus the slime and black toilet water and pit in the red room)...
"Jodie" was the name of a spirit that communicated with the youngest Lutz daughter. It often took on the appearance of a pig. The DeFeo children's names were Dawn, Allison, Marc and John.
The reason the house became haunted was the Lutz couple themselves. They dabbled in this meditation thing...by doing so they opened the door for evil entities, authorizing them to operate in our physical world. My advise for all...NEVER fool with the spirit world(wiji boards, voodo...the like)dangerous...it's not a game.
I agree with you about the Quija boards and the like, but I don't think it was anything to do with meditation... I'm a Christian and I meditate regularly, it's a relaxation exercise to me, not unsimilar to Prayer.
Snopes is wrong - they should have labeled it as "unknown" as there is NO proof of a hoax. They claim "William Weber admitted that he, along with the Lutzes, created this story over many bottles of wine." Weber was suing the Lutzes when he made that remark, trying to get a share of the profits. I'm led to believe that Weber claims to have tape recordings of his meetings with the Lutzes, but refuses to release them. The Lutzes stuck by their story to the end.
A friend of mine took 5 different editions of the book "The Amityville Horror" and went through them page by page. He only found 12 instances where information was changed, and they don't seem like much. To see this list, go to FriendshipTown's profile page here on YouTube and click on his website link. It takes you to a forum devoted to the Amityville Horror. Once there look for a topic called "Exaggerations or False information in the book".
Yes, on June 19, 1979, both George and Kathy took polygraph tests conducted by Chris Gugas and Michael Rice - both considered among the very top of their field. George and Kathy both passed with flying colors. Go to the forum I link to on my account page and you can find more info and see the actual polygraph documents via links to another site (I can't post links in comments, it seems)...
The lie detector test was paid for by American International Pictures, not the Lutzes. If you doubt the honesty, integrity or experience of Chris Gugas or Michael Rice, look them up on the net. The Lutzes made sure their lie detector test was conducted by two of the top people in the business. Your comment insinuates the Lutzes refused a polygraph test at some point - I'm not aware of any such incident.
Dr Kaplan was a bullshit con man, he didnt even go into the house and he starts saying George and Kathy Lutz were making it all up, I cant see them making all this stuff up, they didnt do it for financial reasons because they didnt have any money problems anyway, I really feel sorry for them. The documentery's of the ones who did go into the house, and you will see the face of a small boy who wasnt even there, so where the hell did he come from?
Maybe it's out of fear that people don't want to believe these things can happen.. It would be a horrible thing to experience, that's all I can say~ Spoooooky
yes, don't confuse the real story with the books and movies. The books and movies mix fact with fiction. As shown in this clip, the Lutzes had no problem going public and telling which things were fiction in the books/movies. They had little to no control over those projects.
the only inaccuracies were in the movies and reported by the media. the lutzes had no control over the movie or the subsequent sequels (although they had obtained the rights to make a sequel they never did); and any money they did make went into legal costs in the many lawsuits that followed.
These LIARS laughed all the way to the bank telling their "true" story. As much as they changed it over the years, they could have at least 6 remakes to accomodate!
it does not matter wether weird things started within right after a entry or after a few weeks but the thing is the strange things happend in there acc to book and based on there documentry........the reason y george give diff answers at diff occassions is i think he was still in trauma of that bizzare events
MrSweet38455 1 month ago in playlist Documentaries and interviews
In this interview he says everything was ok in the house for the first few weeks, in another documentary he said things started happening in the first few hours. There is alot of evidence that these people are lying or at least exaggerating alot.
Andromeda1741 1 month ago
I'm ready this book right now. And to be completely honest I don't think it's scary as of page 188. :/ also their daughter Missy describes Jodie as a pig. Also she says Jodie is a boy. If Jodie can alternate between human and pig that would explain it but right now the movie trailer is way off.
smallbird5 7 months ago
@smallbird5 Jodie was said to be an entity which could take the shape of anything it wanted. Jodie was not a real pig or a real boy.
FriendshipTown 7 months ago
@FriendshipTown why is the trailer jody of a little girl then?
smallbird5 6 months ago
@smallbird5 Are you referring to the trailer of the 2005 remake of "The Amityville Horror"? That film bears little resemblance to the real story.
Tanner1940 6 months ago
On all the shows that they've been interviewed, Kathy Lutz speaks so damn quiet. She needed to speak up because it makes her sound like she's afraid to be heard....like covering up some sort of guilt.
puppyloveforu 7 months ago
What is he talking about when he says that "the first two weeks were alot of fun." ? According to the movie and book, they were in the house only 18 days, and stuff started happening right away. Isn't he contradicting himself just by saying that?
stitchesful 8 months ago
The Lutz's changed there story many times. On here they say, nothing happened for two weeks. But in subsequent interviews, they said that Harry their dog tragically tried to hang himself by jumping over their fence within hours after moving in.
JackPlatt 8 months ago
@JackPlatt Actually the Lutzes story has remained very consistent. The dog didn't try to hang itself, it was leashed in the yard and jumped over a fence, but the leash wasn't long enough to allow Harry to land on the other side leaving him hanging/strangling on the leash.
This seemed strange at the time but didn't seem "paranormal strange."
After moving out of the house the family talked about the various things during their stay and felt this incident might have been related to the haunting.
FriendshipTown 8 months ago
Merv says" murders" @3:15 the murders went down @ 3:15a.m. just a coincidence.
utnacmit 8 months ago
Why, are they the only one's too have lived there to have experienced that, the same day the mover got there belongings and he said he felt nothing at all.
Mrjamie05050 8 months ago
I saw a clipping of a lady who lived in the home after the Lutzes, and she said that the stuff they talk about in the movie and in the book of the upstairs glass window shattering and one of the doors coming off never happened. In the clipping, she shows you the door and the window that were supposedly destroyed, and she says that the door and window that are there now are decades old and were definitely not replaced any time recently. So, at least that part of the story is fabricated.
stitchesful 9 months ago
@stitchesful The lady is Mrs Cromarty, the co-owner of the house after the Lutzes. The clip you saw is from my upload of "That's Incredible."
Mrs Cromarty is identifying a window shown in the movie as being damaged, but the window mentioned in the book is in a different room.
The door wasn't destroyed as depicted in the movie, and her tapping on it with a screwdriver does not prove it was never repaired.
Note how she mentions the priest denying the haunting and has to be corrected by the host
FriendshipTown 8 months ago
@FriendshipTown You could be right, but I thought that the window she shows is the same window they mentioned in the book ( the almond shaped window in the upstairs bedroom) . But even if that part of the story isn't fabricated I still am pretty skeptical about this whole thing. I guess mostly because other people who have since lived in the house have never reported any problems. I still believe the Lutzes made it all up. But I could be wrong.
stitchesful 8 months ago
I never knew they practiced TM, explains alot
AK8591 9 months ago
i love how people who never xperienced anything of the paranormal world always have to run theyre mouth..who are u people to question any of us who experinced things.its offensive to have people say we hallucinate or its mind tricks..first u forget how many of us in this world have experinced something real.its not a mass conspiracy..or wait ,we all must b on drugs that xplains all the reported incidents.or wait its our minds playing tricks on us.what am i now luke skywalker.,skeptics r dumb
goldberg7633 1 year ago 4
@goldberg7633 I believe you. But I never believed the Lutzes. If they truly went through all of that, they would need counseling andhelp for the rest of their lives. How come the boys haven't said anything recently. Their grown up and all of that. Why wouldn't they talk about it now that mom and pops are dead. Ronnie Defeo has changed his stories 6000 times.
Tom6093 8 months ago
@goldberg7633 I agree with you. I didn't see a "ghost" until I was 37.....but before that I never payed much attention to this kind of genre. I know it wasn't my imagination. Now I investigate the paranormal. Most people are afraid to think outside of their comfort level when it comes to this stuff. Most people have to see it to believe it...otherwise they poke fun at it or pass it off as imagination....but when they DO see it....it's a different story.
drummerkid71 7 months ago
Just read the book...Th real events are there.
ferdnandjordini1 1 year ago
the only person shes 'afraid of' is her husband....it just is so obvious to me. she also seems VERY guilty, staring at her feet often whilst he speaks. bizarre.
littleyellowmonkey 1 year ago
@littleyellowmonkey Yeah? To me it looks like someone who lived through a very traumatic experience and who would rather forget about it rather than talking about it.
FriendshipTown 8 months ago
@littleyellowmonkey Keep in mind that years after this, the Lutz's went through a very messy and viscous divorce. Kathy could have, at the time, come clean with a confession of hoax perpetuated by George and damaged him considerably for personal gain. She never did. Both Kathy and George went to their graves adamant that while the movie had been sensationalized, and, to a much lesser extent, even the book - the story that they told was absolutely true.
BloatedSensations 2 months ago
Its really sad folks believe crap like this....i haven't done research....but who built the house,were there problems when they built it,saying its on a indian burial grounds,and even if it is on burial ground how does that jump to demons getting even with the living.Just cause some wacked out crazed idiot murders his family in the house,and granted that is creepy scary,but it has nothing to do with spirits as when u die u are dead.
VoiceInBlackness 1 year ago
@VoiceInBlackness All the talk of Indian burial grounds & curses & demons are just people trying to figure out why the Lutzes experienced what they did.
The Warrens believe it was due to demons while Hans Holzer claims it was due to an Indian curse.
Holzer has given two completely different stories (told not as theories but as "the truth") about how the curse started, so I think we can safely discount his stuff as fantasy.
The Lutzes don't know why this happened, they can only guess like us.
FriendshipTown 8 months ago
My personal opinion is that the Lutzes did experience many of the things that they have chronicled. I also believe that the book was slightly exaggerated and the movie was "Hollywooded up"-exaggerated and elaborated to make a good movie. However, having said that, hauntings ARE real, I have experienced one and was a skeptic before that. I also believe that the Lutzes practicing Transcendental Meditation most likely attracted what was already demonic spirits in the home.
dux411 1 year ago
@dux411 hauntings ARE NOT real.....folks need to get a grip on realilty.There isn't any documented place that has demons nor ghosts....it makes for a good story.Our minds work in strange ways but that dont mean theres demons out there trying to get us.
VoiceInBlackness 1 year ago
@VoiceInBlackness I agree. But this story is very interesting, ive been following it my whole life, just watching documentarys and news report here and there, theres a documentary about it, the team went into the house and claimed that the camera they had kept taking random photos and they have a "real" photo of a boy looking out of his room with glowing eyes, im sure it wud be easy to find, thats the only "real" evidence for hauntings i see personally. everything seems like a hoax
DodeHelten 1 year ago
I don't believe George and Kathy made this up!
TheOriginalDivaSable 1 year ago
I must say i'm pretty skeptical. But i feel for this family. Their brave to move in to a house with such a gruesome and violent history. The Mind can play terrible tricks. But still their emotions seem so down to earth. maybe they are telling the truth.
sLAUGHTER115 1 year ago
that's true shit
Karimandmocta 1 year ago
The new movie is so ridiculously different from the original movie and book!
bandet888 2 years ago 2
The only thing strange about the house on Ocean Ave is how DeFeo managed to off his whole family with no one realizing.
thegirl44 2 years ago 3
Jay Anson has been shown to be a liar and hoaxer. Whether there was ever any truth in it is highly doubtful. Certainly, their cooperation with Anson suggests that we should be suspicious.
Steeleperfect 2 years ago
Seems you're suggesting Jay Anson was a liar and hoaxer even before writing "The Amityville Horror"??? What are you basing that on?
FriendshipTown 2 years ago
But George and Kathy Lutz recanted a lot of the information they gave to Jay Anson while he interviewed them for his book ,so therefore you have to take the book as a non- fiction.I'm not saying the house is not haunted assuming that spirits do exist,I doubt it was to that extent as other families have been able to live there in peace,except for the tourists!!!
edwinamcmanus 2 years ago
If you read Jay Ansons Amityville horror the first two days no paranormal events occured, but they had personality changes, they started to fight more.
bandet888 2 years ago
When Goerge said the first two weeks weren't bad I think he ment things weren't out of countrol yet, there were a lot of unexplainable things happening but they didn't feel their lives were in danger yet.
bandet888 2 years ago
EXACTLY
APRIL62318 2 years ago
at 3.07 sounds like growl like shadow says dodgyyyyyy!
broony12345 2 years ago 3
Wait wait wait - in the documentary, George said that on the first night and even within minutes of moving in they experienced bad things so why does he say in this interview that it was fine for the first few weeks.
Dupe16118 2 years ago 5
When you word it in that manner, I can understand your confusion. But what George said happened that first day was the priest getting slapped and told to "Get Out" by the unseen force and their dog jumping over the fence and hanging by its chain.
The incident with the dog could have been just a freak accident - it was only looking back on things (after fleeing) that they felt it was connected.
And they didn't find out about the priest's encounter until after they fled the house in January.
FriendshipTown 2 years ago
I was hoping I wasn't the only one who noticed that. How can things begin right away if everything was cool for the first two weeks? Now, I firmly believe that horrifying things happened in that house to them, but inconsistencies like this make it SOUND like a hoax.
snuglet71 2 years ago
we should remember this for all stories, that communication can really mix things up on our judgement of many things in life
jennyrgar 2 years ago
I believe their story. I've seen George get teary eyed about it. Someone on a board said they met him and he was tearing up when asked about their last night.
j10165817 2 years ago
At 3:06 that sounds like a growl from hell not merv...
shadow1967000 2 years ago 2
I heard that too...and kept thinking about it until I saw your post.
innis22 2 years ago
Everyone in earlier comments kept saying it's Merv , but , sounds more Satanic , right???
shadow1967000 2 years ago
Yeah.. you're right Shadow. After hearing that, I thought it was the other guest Rod Steiger dozing off and snoring or something like that. But it makes you wonder huh? I've been wondering about that too. It's like something from beyond was trying to interrupt the show for some reason. Anyways.. that's my scoop.
BigLacrosseFan94 2 years ago
Another one at 3:19 - strange!
DessertDivaFL 2 years ago
these people are on crack... yah right
markinkw33 2 years ago
I'm not going to take a side here but watch at 5:48 he's pretty convincing. His body language is like a victim being asked to talk about and relive a trauma. Could be because of the ridicule they may face or possibly getting the stories wrong. Never knew about the flies sometimes not being there then reappearing another time. Interesting when heard from the people involved.
TheOuterMost 2 years ago
3:21 and 4:47 really creepy growls!
nukleawinta 2 years ago
The creepy growls are just Merv going 'ooh' and "ahhh" and "hmmm."
He did that a lot -- not just on this show.
FriendshipTown 2 years ago
that deep? did he do it earlier with the star?
jennyrgar 2 years ago
Creepy growls. Frightening.
nrthdude1 2 years ago
lmao!! Love the 70s soundtrack in the background!! George didnt tell the story of the hairy palm that used to jerk him off at 3:15 am!
IronJustice08 2 years ago 3
Wasn't that yours? lol
boardskins 2 years ago
Kathy's has a ridiculously soft-spoken voice. I could fall asleep listening to her.
gambit159t 3 years ago
My wife described her voice as a comforting lull -I kinda agree.Beyond calm!!!
utnacmit 3 years ago
Whats the growly sound at 3:06 ish????
bemiqtpi99 3 years ago
It's Merv-Deep thought Exhalation.
utnacmit 3 years ago
What about 3:21????
utnacmit 3 years ago
Yea! I didnt hear that! What the heck??? Is it added?
bemiqtpi99 3 years ago
I dont know. But "it's" just subtle enough to give me the creeps! If it was a loud lion ROOOOOAAAR that'd be cool- but when it's an undertone like this.............
utnacmit 3 years ago
No, nothing's added. That sound is just Merv going "ooh" and "ahhh' and "hmm." That's just what he did all the time. Its nothing paranormal.
FriendshipTown 2 years ago
a demon
fldoughboy72 2 years ago
is this house on sale cuz when i grow up in like 8 years i want to buy it
alexandrea411 3 years ago
that would rock but hiostorically the newer owners will not sell to people who are interested in the haunting
PREMATUREDETONATION 2 years ago
It's actually owned by a guy now who bought it as an "investment". He plans to continue to exploit the story.
boardskins 2 years ago
Thanks for these old clips FriendshipTown, enjoyed....
narm67 3 years ago
ronnie de feo is such a fucking liar!!! they even asked the same tribe they said there was no such thing as that ''cementary stupid ass the guy ust have been on crack and i even serchead it up on google
piglettlovesya 3 years ago
Hank Hill: "If some demon tries to haunt me I'm gonna kick his ass!"
ClintJ2009 3 years ago
The only Amityville Horror that exists in Amityville is the
AMITYVILLE SCHOOL DISTRICT!!!!
berkawoo 3 years ago
lol...I always joke that the only horror in Amityville is what happened to that town.
nycgrneys 3 years ago
Look at what I wake up with every morning, NOW THAT'S SCARY!
DA90027 3 years ago
paralization made by demons just right when they are scaryng and submiting people to their mishaps 6 30 that explains most all this it always happens when people are sleeping
luvstrongbabes89 3 years ago
Fuck! if it was my house i would build a rollercoaster ride going through it, charge a couple of bucks or two and give some popcorn to the punters at the end.
ajbarnstormer 3 years ago 2
they took that house, after only 1 year of all the killings inside so there must have been a lot of very bad atmosphere there at that time when they moved in.
persecutednana 3 years ago 2
@persecutednana What took place in that house was tragic (six people murdered in their sleep), but can you emagine how haunted a building would be if it was built over the ground where the 911 attacts took place where thousands were killed as opposed to just six?!
bandet888 2 years ago
George Lutz is the first to admit that some of the things in the novel and movie were purely for theatrical reasons if you want the truest version of what happened then you have to watch stuff like this where you can hear it straight from the horse's mouth.
crazymidgetclown 3 years ago 7
very intetint, ithkin this was a serius case to go to "a show" but the interviwere seems ok, is that grifin ? , but perhaps they shoudndt have taken the house inthe first place, why woudlo they do it knowin somheit that strong had hapneed there?, how long was it after the massacre there? , is the house still there? is it close to newyork ? have other people lived there or experience anyhign ? they loook super honest to me, I dont htki its any hoax at all
faridjabba 3 years ago
very intetint, ithkin this was a serius case to go to "a show" but the interviwer seems ok, is that grifin ? , but perhaps they shoudndt have taken the house inthe first place, why woudlo they do it knowin somheit that strong had hapneed there?, how long was it after the massacre there?
faridjabba 3 years ago
they moved in only a year after the murders.
AVERYfunperson 3 years ago
Oh she seems so happy
specialkv18 3 years ago
Idon´t know if that shit was real or false((but its fucking freaky)))i went to that house 4 years ago i didnt go inside but the look of that house was fucking freaky)))horrible feeling (((the movie is pretty cool ()()but its not how acctualy happened )()they put a little bit more gore and scary shits)))
zakkmoonye 3 years ago
Sorry keep ur scare goin! but thats crap they messed up took on hollywood and got screwed.Mad about all there rights to the story! they kept it goin for pride.Ronnie was on drugs he said no voices he made it up.They wanted to make a buck!! is that so hard to beleive? or is it easier for u to beleive that the bad indian made him do it?.Keep up the scare but i wont eat ur shovel full of BULLSHIT!!!
sassy22d 3 years ago
Planed HOAX from the time they bought the house.Easy to see that! ya lets buy a house were a mass murder happend and the killer said there was demons bring our kids there put them in danger.They saw a chance to cash in! plain and simple cant blaim them i would try the same thing.
sassy22d 3 years ago
If it was a hoax, then why give up the house and lose all that money and equity?
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
i am living in a house like that
luvstrongbabes89 3 years ago
Really? What happened in your house?
dbrzdejmasakr 3 years ago
because they made so much more than they lost by going public with their 'experiences'
AVERYfunperson 3 years ago
So they knew that if they faked a haunted house story it would become a best-seller and earn them a lot of money. Wow. Its just so simple, isn't it?
So why didn't they simply sell the house to another family? Would that have hurt book sales? Would it hurt book sales if they claimed the house was eventually cleansed, enabling them to stay living there?
There is no good reason for them giving up the house like they did. It didn't help their story.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
lol what?
AVERYfunperson 3 years ago
Over the years, between the two of them, they've made $300,000.00 total, which works out to less than $15,000.00 a year, before taxes. That's less than working at McDonalds as a counter person.
boardskins 2 years ago
coz the house was really cheap coz no descent person would want it!
iloveMYsmarties 3 years ago
the killer didn't say there were demons there.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
whas the house haunted before the murders and if so did the spirits urge defoe to kill
saminuranus 3 years ago
No one knows why the haunting happened - we can only guess. And we can only guess as to if the house was haunted prior to the murders or not.
Ronnie DeFeo currently claims there was nothing paranormal in that house. During his trial there was no mention of ghosts or any paranormal activity.
Some time later, during an interview with Hans Holzer, Ronnie suggested he might have been influenced by something paranormal, but he has since claimed it was a lie.
Ronnie DeFeo lies a lot.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this. Fascinating to see them speaking, after years of just seeing their pictures and reading about them. Great, I appreciate all your postings.
addictedtokate 3 years ago
The red room was totally overblown in the books and movies - the Lutzes have brought this to the public's attention since day one, but don't know what you're talking about "the child in the photo being found."
I'm assuming you've watched the recent UK documentary on the case. I haven't seen it yet.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
How do you explain the fact that no one has reported any strange activity in the house since the Lutz's left. Paranormal activity, especially of that intensity, doesn't just suddenly stop. Seems like a giant hoax.
redsoxx2424 3 years ago 3
Who's to say it doesn't suddenly stop?
I'm no paranormal expert, but there have been other cases of this. Most notably, in the case that inspired "The Entity" - the subsequent occupants of that house reported no paranormal activity.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
The Lutzes have also said that "Jodie" followed them to California and it took them years to exorcise that spirit and have also talked about experiencing strange phenomena up until their deaths...so whose to say that a lot of the spirits knew they were leaving and went with them.
DanIN72 3 years ago
These people are flakes.
DAHC71 3 years ago 2
ok so he says that nothing bad happened for the first few weeks, but then in another documentary he said their dog tried to hang himself within the first hour......bullshit? yeah...
mexxikanboi 3 years ago
On moving-in day, they tied the dog up in the backyard. It later tried to jump a fence, but there was not enough slack in the chain for it to land on the other side, leaving the dog hanging.
At the time the family likely thought it was a case of the dog not being used to its surroundings.
But after the haunting, they looked back over everything that went on, and found it strange how there were so many odd incidents (like this one) that happened to them in such a relatively short time frame.
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
Y aurait-il une traduction française de cette ancienne émission?merci d'avance.
labandalulu 3 years ago
I wish these people had gotten some of these events on video.
mozartgenetics 3 years ago 5
Yeah, but that was in the day of Super-8 cameras, not video cameras (not for the consumers, at least)...
FriendshipTown 3 years ago
I never even heard of a camcorder until around 1985.
tsntana 3 years ago
the amityville horro used to scare the living shit out of me but when I saw another video it showed it was not true
sonicedhoedown1 4 years ago 2
im a huge sckeptick i dont belive much but for some reason i cant not belivee this story i totaly belive it
jimmyk00 4 years ago
are their children still alive now?
flowerbunny86 4 years ago 2
yes
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
they both died quite young too,
dannyboy70112003 4 years ago
i didnt beleive in this story at first, but when i saw this, i beleive in it 100% now
roboarmy500000 4 years ago
Not a growl - that's just Merv. Its Merv's version of "ah" or "wow". If you watch the whole show, you'll notice he does it throughout...
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
I think everyone who appeared on this show is now dead, Merv griffin, rod steiger, george and kathy lutz
jonnyhboy94 4 years ago
Something that George said in this interview
doesn't make sense....
If all the people associated with this case (the psychic investigators,even the people who got rid of their stuff for them) had this obssesion with the house (going back to it,unable to stop thinking about it)were affected like that,then why aren't Geore,Kathy,and the kids affected like that too?
Just doesn't add up IMO.
N.
noreneol 4 years ago
The Lutzes (assuming their experiences were real) lived through the events. The others didn't. Given that the Lutzes said repeatedly in the years following that they didn't like to talk about it because it was reliving those experiences, perhaps they weren't affected because they lived it.
MiklosRosa 4 years ago
DeFeo's lawyer & the Lutzes came up with this story so DeFeo could get another trial & the Lutzes could get out of a mortgage they couldn't afford since George Lutz's business was going bankrupt. This all came out 15 years ago after Ronnie DeFeo died. It's a hoax, people. Other people have lived in that house for years & had no problems whatsoever (outside of harassment from tourists). Go to Snopes dot com & do a search for Amityville Horror if you're still not convinced.
johnbohl 4 years ago
Ronnie DeFeo is still alive.
Snopes is using incidents in the book and movie to try and disprove the case when the Lutzes have always maintained that the book and movie contain fictional elements (out of their control).
If the Lutzes couldn't afford their mortgage, how were they able to let the investigators into their home? This shows they still owned the house after that month was over.
George said his business was going well. I have seen no evidence to the contrary.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
The lawyer didn't "confess" - he made an accusation that has never been proven. The Lutzes denied having any such deal with him to fake the house being haunted, and have gone to their death beds still claiming the haunting was real - a feeling still shared to this day by the kids who lived through it. The lawyer made those claims while in a court case trying to get money from the Lutzes.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
I believe the Lutz story. maybe it wasnt as grandious as they tell it but i will say that the 70's was a strange time, strange energy and phenomonea. I experienced things as well back then as a child well into my early teens. i dont talk about it much and since i am annonymous i feel safe in writing what i am writing now.
PaiLung 4 years ago
I saw this documentary on the Geographic channel. This Amytiville story is really just a hoax. The murder was real. But the Lutz who moved in a year later, they had a deal with some lawyer and the people from the showbiz and they made up everything. Nothing scary really happened to them. The lawyer Confessed that they made a deal about the Lutz moving in to make a good story.
umahomie 4 years ago
Wow, I never thought I would see them EVER!
lordshadow69 4 years ago
the pepole who lived in that house all died exept them
RudolphTHE1st93 4 years ago
that house is not only haunted itssaid to have poltergeists to many people claim that that lived there
chrizz2U 4 years ago
Their story is inconsistent. Here, Lutz says the first two weeks were fine. In an interview more than 20 years later, Lutz says that within an hour of moving in, their moving in, their dog "tried to hang himself" by jumping over a fence with chained collar on. Did he forget this incident for 20 years and suddenly remember it?
TokyoStreetReport 4 years ago 2
or he thought it was just a quincidence and over time changed his mind about it
ChicagoTypwriter 4 years ago
wow. thats some serious shit. are they both really dead now?
tornadowhirl 4 years ago
they are both dead now
sleestack 4 years ago
shameful fakers
obsidiantech 4 years ago
OMG....that cheesy music when they come out!!!
greatturtle 4 years ago 2
RIP Merv
MYspace=MervynEdwardGriffinJr
churchsilverhammer 4 years ago
going to miss you merv may you R.I.P. kevin j vandine honolulu hi
kevinvandine 4 years ago
Amen. Merv will indeed be missed by those of us who grew up then,when there was indeed quality TV.
le238man 4 years ago
Amen to that. I was a kid watching all of his shows. Mr. Griffin will be deeply missed. RIP
headstart12 4 years ago
stygmatized property
wolfloki 4 years ago
Typical american family who chose to buy a house for a
cheap price, which was the site of a previous murder.
Apparently, did not spook them. And, the nightmare is
told. What a rollercoaster ride !
CoolOrb 4 years ago
jodys a pig? wasnt she the defeos daughter?
2getherxo 4 years ago
nope she was just a spirit that appeared to the Lutz's youngest daughter as a pig.
kraft555 4 years ago
@2getherxo In the Jay anson version and original movie Jody was an invisible pig which Missy (book name) or Amy (original movie name) would see. sometimes George or kathy wouls see glowing red eyes. The name of the defeos daughter was Alison. They changed this in the latesed movie making Jody Defeos daughter. When I saw the original movie I was dissopointed at how different it was from the book but the new movie makes the original movie look like a carbon copy of the book.
bandet888 2 years ago
Jody was not one of the murder victims. She was the Lutz's daughter's imaginary pet pig.
kraft555 4 years ago
The house was the slaughtering ground for native americans, when the DeFoe family moved in, the evil spirits made the son go crazy, he killed all of his family with a rifle, Jody was killed and years later a new family moved in, the father started feeling the effects of evil and started becoming more violent and weird, he killed their dog and eventually went to near insanity, the family escaped.
budderdog 4 years ago
budderdog, you are giving the plot for the 2005 remake. That movie had nothing to do with the real life story. No dog was killed - George didn't go insane - Jody wasn't a real person. Watch the 1979 film - that gives a more accurate view of what really happened (minus the slime and black toilet water and pit in the red room)...
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
really? i thought in the book jody had a pig face
budderdog 4 years ago
"Jodie" was the name of a spirit that communicated with the youngest Lutz daughter. It often took on the appearance of a pig. The DeFeo children's names were Dawn, Allison, Marc and John.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
The reason the house became haunted was the Lutz couple themselves. They dabbled in this meditation thing...by doing so they opened the door for evil entities, authorizing them to operate in our physical world. My advise for all...NEVER fool with the spirit world(wiji boards, voodo...the like)dangerous...it's not a game.
wardmjwrd 4 years ago
I agree with you about the Quija boards and the like, but I don't think it was anything to do with meditation... I'm a Christian and I meditate regularly, it's a relaxation exercise to me, not unsimilar to Prayer.
JayFroFive 4 years ago 2
Snopes is wrong - they should have labeled it as "unknown" as there is NO proof of a hoax. They claim "William Weber admitted that he, along with the Lutzes, created this story over many bottles of wine." Weber was suing the Lutzes when he made that remark, trying to get a share of the profits. I'm led to believe that Weber claims to have tape recordings of his meetings with the Lutzes, but refuses to release them. The Lutzes stuck by their story to the end.
Dantemadison 4 years ago
If you go through the hardback and paperback page by page you will see the differences
UKLisa 4 years ago
A friend of mine took 5 different editions of the book "The Amityville Horror" and went through them page by page. He only found 12 instances where information was changed, and they don't seem like much. To see this list, go to FriendshipTown's profile page here on YouTube and click on his website link. It takes you to a forum devoted to the Amityville Horror. Once there look for a topic called "Exaggerations or False information in the book".
Dantemadison 4 years ago
what frauds
brycab 4 years ago
Have the Lutz's taken a lie detector? Does anyone know.
MissGreenie 4 years ago
Yes, on June 19, 1979, both George and Kathy took polygraph tests conducted by Chris Gugas and Michael Rice - both considered among the very top of their field. George and Kathy both passed with flying colors. Go to the forum I link to on my account page and you can find more info and see the actual polygraph documents via links to another site (I can't post links in comments, it seems)...
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
Thanks FriendshipTown... most appreciated... will check it out now
MissGreenie 4 years ago
They took a lie detector that they paid for , would not take an independent one
UKLisa 4 years ago
The lie detector test was paid for by American International Pictures, not the Lutzes. If you doubt the honesty, integrity or experience of Chris Gugas or Michael Rice, look them up on the net. The Lutzes made sure their lie detector test was conducted by two of the top people in the business. Your comment insinuates the Lutzes refused a polygraph test at some point - I'm not aware of any such incident.
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
Dr Kaplan was a bullshit con man, he didnt even go into the house and he starts saying George and Kathy Lutz were making it all up, I cant see them making all this stuff up, they didnt do it for financial reasons because they didnt have any money problems anyway, I really feel sorry for them. The documentery's of the ones who did go into the house, and you will see the face of a small boy who wasnt even there, so where the hell did he come from?
mart270 4 years ago
Any specific reason why?
FriendshipTown 4 years ago
Did you ever read BOTH versions of the book? The hardcover and paperback BOTH have descrepancies. Just wondering.....
irishninja71 4 years ago
Maybe it's out of fear that people don't want to believe these things can happen.. It would be a horrible thing to experience, that's all I can say~ Spoooooky
tubeeorrnottubee 4 years ago
You're about the only person to leave a sensible comment on here!!!
JayFroFive 4 years ago
:) ~Merry Christmas to you Jay'!
And Happy Hannukah and NEW Year TOO!!!
tubeeorrnottubee 4 years ago
yes, don't confuse the real story with the books and movies. The books and movies mix fact with fiction. As shown in this clip, the Lutzes had no problem going public and telling which things were fiction in the books/movies. They had little to no control over those projects.
lastwebsite 4 years ago
the only inaccuracies were in the movies and reported by the media. the lutzes had no control over the movie or the subsequent sequels (although they had obtained the rights to make a sequel they never did); and any money they did make went into legal costs in the many lawsuits that followed.
brendan72202 5 years ago
These LIARS laughed all the way to the bank telling their "true" story. As much as they changed it over the years, they could have at least 6 remakes to accomodate!
irishninja71 5 years ago