Haha, "socialist Europe" (which doesn't exist. It's called social democracy) has big government in bed with big business and the ppl get screwed over?
Nope, Europe has big government with heavily regulated big business and the people are actually getting something for their taxes --> free education, universal health care that pays for what you need, no matter if it is minor or cancer treatment. Stupid, dishonest republicans..
Your pretty funny Prime in most of your videos. I disagreed with you on some of them because you were being one-side. But it's okay that we agree to disagree with each other & your cool for not deleting my post because u didn't like them. I'm twice your age & feel u have plenty to learn but it's refreshing to see a young man using his brain. Most young I see on the streets don't have a clue. The're too busy doing dope, going to the malls, playing video games etc to stop & learn about the world.
@skjoyner yeah, i can be pretty abrasive sometimes (ok, most of the time), but i enjoy debating/arguing rather than censoring/silencing those that disagree with me. we probably have a lot in common if we managed to not talk about religion and politics.
Walmart already is socialist, it hires the majority of it's "associates" part-time so it doesn't have to provide benefits. The government has to come in and provide for them.
@4:23 stop right there, prove these unions r corrupt. I am so sick and tired of people spreading lies that unions r powerful, that they r corrupt, and that they hurt the economy. the corporates hav paid our representatives and senators 2 make laws that neuter unions 2 the point of uselessness. I havn't belonged 2 one yet that was corrupt. what would b the point? they can't do anything anyway!!! they've helped the economy by helping the people survive their employment
lol walmart should act in its own best interests and f*ck every1 else over in healthcare! hehe what a tard (in all reality, it is acting in its own best interests 2 support a government option/run healthcare :P)
hehe 4 all the morons that bellieve in trickle down economic theory: u should want government funded healthcare. it would b an expense companies would no long hav 2 shoulder so completely, it would help small business, and all the money they sav would trickle down 2 ur gullible a**es :) think about it
@bdj010 Since you are not racist, greedy. Are you super religous, anti abortion, or just hate paying taxes. What makes you republican? Why even call your selves conservative they are no different from the republicans.
@bdj010 my parents are conservative republicans...we get along fine and i love them very much...you haven't taught me a damn thing.
all you've done is accuse me of things you think i believe, and then throw some unbacked, out of whack statistic at me and you think you've won this 'argument.' come the fuck on.
@bdj010 "I find that very hard to believe when you are making videos of all of the time bashing people who don't share your viewpoints(which is about 98% of the nation)."
you score a -3 on the "make sense-o-meter".
"You sound like one of those Obama worshipping cunts who wants something for nothing."
care to explain how i sound like that? and while you're at it, explain how obama even got elected if 98% of the country disagree with me...
"To me, corporatism is a result of poorly regulated capitalism" Hey C0ct0pus that not what corporatism is. Corporatism or crony capitalism is when business and government get mixed and make laws that are design to burden, weed or simply block their competitors. Government is used to artificially grow a business that has not really deserve the profit do to lack competition or corporate welfare like subsidy.
Try learn what corporatism means because you are misleading you viewers.
@mrphoo67 that's what the government has been doing lately with these laws being passed that a corporation can spend as much as they like on candidates. they control the politicians so yeah, they're gonna weed out competition. with restored regulation, the financial collapse wouldn't hav happened and competition would hav been present when the big banks fell. regulation is good 4 small business, workers, and consumers
@cruelbusiness1984 "With restored regulation, the financial collapse wouldn't hav happened and competition would hav been present when the big banks fell." Your assuming that was a lack of government regulations, Sorry but Freddie mea and Freddie mac are government created, government sponsored and government regulated companies design to get more people in to housing. as a consequence government created the environment for banks to bad loans. -->
@mrphoo67 The financial crisis was caused government corporatist policy that we paid the price and capitalism get the blame. To add insult to injury the banks bad behavior were reward with bailouts that create a moral hazard in the long run. The financial was cause by the exact a regulated supported corporatism which C0ct0pusPrime does not understand.
@C0ct0pusPrime I'm sorry for my bad grammar. I will try to be more clear. The financial crisis was not a result from lack of regulation, there was plenty of that. In fact the banks are the most regulated companies in america. No the financial crisis was cause by poor government policy that encourage banks to hand out bad loans to people. Government regulation and medaling lead to the financial crisis. -->
@mrphoo67 This is corporatism. A mixture of government and companies colluding together to get special favors, though regulations, subsidies, tax loopholes and even bailouts. Call it fascist if you want because there is noting capitalist about it. Your Annotation on corporatism is wrong and dishonest and I have already called you out on it. I hope I made myself a tad more clear so you can understand the fuck I saying. Change your annotation Prime if you wish to be more honest.
That's a very absolutist view of capitalism. Being a corporation doesn't equal being capitalist. The bail-outs for "too big to fail" is about as capitalist as robbing a 7-11 could be called "shopping." Businesses that crumble (and yes, lose peoples' jobs, but by now that's neither here nor there) are an unfortunate but necessary evil of a free and functional society. The problem is the failure that all bail-outs are proving to be...Bush's AND Obama's.
@QuartuvLarry I agree. where one big company falls, other smaller companies begin 2 fill in the gap wit service and jobs. its like the tree in the rainforest that falls and all the saplings underneath it compete 4 the sunlight. the consumer wins out in these cases
The left was once the party of the regular Joe but now I fear it's become a tool of the corporations. How can you tell me that watching a debate between Reps and Dems isn't just watching two factions built on opposing corporations battle each other out? It's all a game, the system we have right now. It's just a big game of chess and we're the lowly pawns. Wal-mart can play however they want to if it keeps 'em in control.
@TehSmellulare I choose the lesser of the 2 evils because republicans run the country and it falls apart. they'd lov it 2 return 2 the 1800's in just about every way possible
More Republican bull crap.. their bigotry and their hypocrisy is rather obvious by now.. this is just more evidence to support that.
I cannot emphasize this enough, the Republican Party's leadership is a but of money grubbing, clueless christian fundamentalists. They care nothing for the American people, it's been shown time and time again.. fuck this guy, and fuck his party.
If i ever need to renew my hatred for the Republican Party, I'll just watch your videos C0ct0pus. ^^
I do love to hear us europeans getting insulted, after all there're right.
We only live longer have better healthcare higher happiness stats in general.
Plainly we're the ones doing it wrong. After all our societies have only existed for a few thousand years longer then america has. Why would we have learned anything in that time?
America hasn't existed as long because it took a while for a group of visionaries to arrive on the scene and leave their oppressive European nations to begin a free country.
Don't kid yourself. America is the most prosperous, influential, and powerful nation in the world. Even the poor have a high standard of living. And we achieve that without a central force rationing our property.
Have fun getting your "awesome" health care with money that was stolen from your fellow citizens.
@KagexMane yes, oppress. And in the time your country has come into existence there might have been changes. Hell britain's only had socialised healthcare for about sixty years. Before that people sounded similiar tio you.
Prosperous- No
Influential - Yes but not the most
Powerful - Oh god no.
Look it up, China's beating you for one. As are a number of others.
even the tiny island I'm from has more pros.
So you have no government or social net at all then?
"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. "
@Ivorygate "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country"
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags Canada is doing well, relatively speaking. And that's because their banks are well-regulated and didn't participate in the risky practice of packaging mortgages and selling them to the global private market as exotic, unregulated financial instruments like so many other nations did, including the US. They had no mortgage meltdown, and while their deficit is at an all-time high they're expected to return to surplus by 2015.
Then you said "while their deficit is at an all-time high they're expected to return to surplus by 2015".
Isn't every nation expecting to "recover" in the next 5-10 years?
All socialist nations are failing today as we sit at our computers. I asked for someone to name one that isn't failing for a reason, because there isn't one.
What happens 5-10 years from now is a different story.
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags "Isn't every nation expecting to "recover" in the next 5-10 years?"
They may expect to, but Canada is the only one that appears to have a realistic shot at it. The Canadian economy grew at just over 6% the first three quarters this year, their banks are sound, and 3/4 of lost jobs have been recovered. That doesn't sound like a failing "socialist" nation.
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags I'm American and live in the US. I didn't say that Canada is "free of any hard economic times", only that they haven't suffered as badly as the rest of us. And Canada is in fact being regarded as a model by other G20 nations for how it regulates its banking industry. Unfortunately I don't see that lesson being taken on board here.
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags You asked for someone to name one "socialist" nation that isn't failing and I have. Not only isn't Canada failing, its economy is structurally far more sound than ours. Here's a thought: instead of trying to minimize the truth to protect your belief system, try learning from it.
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags I expected as much. You and so many others like you on the Right would truly rather see our economy screwed than admit that proper regulation would have averted the crisis we're in, simply because you've been told to equate regulation with some daft notion of "gov't interference" and "socialism". It's no wonder this country is in such a mess.
We'll see how much RW stupidity Americans are willing to put up with and who's really outgunned.
@ismeme Well, I'm not a Republican. Just an American tired of both of you sticking your nose in my business and hands in my pockets.
But I will pick a side when the dollar crashes. Gallop Poll released conservatives outnumber liberals 2:1. And if you really want to talk about who has the most fire power, that's easy to find out too. Anyways, this type of talk is pointless on the internet. We're all about to face reality very soon. Good luck!
I like to think that if John Wayne, Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan were around and in full health, they'd be ashamed of how childish their party is acting.
If John Wayne, Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan were around today, they WOULD be ashamed of how childish their party is acting - in other words acting like people with no wisdom - in other words acting like big-government socialist democrats.
@RonPaulGeorgeRingo Especially since Teddy was an environmentalist (he did create the national park system) and would be smacking them in the head for not wanting to put the screws on BP.
If you're talking about "capitalism" as a state-run SYSTEM, I agree, and can understand why others are calling it "corporatism". However, if by "capitalism", you're talking about the PROCESS that a capitalist uses to turn one form of capital into things they value more through their labor and trade, then I can't agree.
Capitalism is a word that I think should be retired. There are two many variations of it, and it is too difficult have a discussion about it if we can't agree on the term.
love your videos for the most part coctopus, but america is corporatism right now not capitalism. Look how well hong kong does, that is pure capitalism
How about this? If we had universal single payer healthcare Wallmart would not have to pay health insurance for his employees. BIG saving!!! Also, if the customers couldn't lose their homes and savings because of medical bills they would ALSO have a lot of money to spend in Wallmart.
Get my point?
Europe is a mess in every sense of the word. But at least medical bills don't ruin you.
@xhagast "Europe is a mess in every sense of the word. But at least medical bills don't ruin you."
The problem with this comment is that the spending eurpoe is doing now to cover everthing is going to collapse the entire european economy. Jobs will be lost, Cuts in all programs. Just how long do you think universal healthcare will last when the whole economy tanks?
As a canadian it blows my mind just how resistant the american people are to getting something from the government for free and even if it means taxes going up it would still be significantly cheaper than what's there now. Why such resistance to such a wonderful system
@adamn7777 If your taxes go up then it's not free is it? It's only free for the lowlife leaches that don't pay taxes. If that's the kind of system you advocate, let the leaches have everthing they want at the expense of the few actually paying for it, then we Americans say KEEP IT.
@mickeysears The amount that taxes go up is much less than what the average person would pay for with the system of private health care that you got right now. While this would support the people that get away with tax fraud it would also support the greater number of people that couldn't afford to get their own health insurance.
It's more of a socialist approach but I couldn't imagine life without my government sponsored health care
The money has to come from somewhere. You may not be paying the taxes to cover your own healthcare but somebody is. Where does anyone get off thinking they deserve something they're not entitled to? Why should someone else pay for you? Where does it end? Government sponsored food? Government sponsored housing? Government sponsored cars? When it gets to the point when they tell you to bend over so you can get your government sponsored ass wiped, will you then complain? Probably not.
@mickeysears The money does come from taxes I make no secret of that but having an entire country split the medical bills for the entire country means the average person ends up paying less in extra taxes than they would if htey had free medicine.
Personally I think everyone should be entitled to see a doctor if they're sick it's a necessity in my eyes. Government sponsored food and housing exists, and government sponsored cars are called buses
@mickeysears "If that's the kind of system you advocate, let the leaches have everthing they want at the expense of the few actually paying for it, then we Americans say KEEP IT."
Then you'd better shred your health insurance card, because in 2005 the average US family and employer paid over $1K per year as a hidden tax in premiums to cover the uninsured. Covered individuals forked over $400 on average. Those amounts will have gone up with so many people losing their jobs and coverage.
@guitarmaster199 Evidently you don't understand that their is actually NO SUCH THING AS COMMUNISM. It's a fairy tale that was thrown out as a carrot to the ignorant masses. The stick is socialism that, all the communists say, needs to be in place before it can lead to communism. Can you just imagine a dictator, that has used murder and brutality to achieve sole domination to suddenly give it all up to make way for peace and proparity through communism? And millions actually belive this?
@guitarmaster199 uh no "people" in america do understand the difference, however people like yourself dont understand that a parasitic society created by socialism is detrimental to the people at large. open up a history book and show me a society where socialism and communism have served the greater good. let me save you some time...it doesnt exist.
Another thing to understand is that America already has socialist institutions and has had them for years, but nobody has complained. Any time an institution is supported by government funds, that's socialism. That means schools, libraries, highways, parks, the police department, the fire department, and even the military are socialist. But if you don't like that, perhaps we can switch over to a private fire company. Enjoy haggling with them while your house burns down.
I'm tired of some fucktard telling me what the American people want. Especially when I'm an American, and what they're saying I want is, um... NOT what I want AT ALL
Conservatives are scared that socialism will turn us into communists; they really can't see the difference between the two. And even then their obscure vision of communism is closer to fascism.
@cossintan1 Do you think of Mao and Stalin when you think of communism? If so please tell me how these guys were any better than Hlter? I do think communism is very close to facism. They both require a big government. Don't forget the Nazis were the National Socialst Party. They had ties to socialism. If this is not true, please explain to me why, I love to be proven wrong.
@cleatusjr Communism: is sharing the raw resources, means of production, profits, and products (or production) amongst ALL of the people! This means no private ownership of resources or means of production, but YES on other sorts of private ownership! Capitalist propaganda says you cannot own anything privately under Communism. NOT SO! Communism means everyone gets the same remuneration regardless of what their job is.
@cleatusjr Fascism: is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party, culture or society as a whole
@cleatusjr Mainly, Communism is an economic system. Fascism describes the way a government governs. Having said this I would like to point out that I never condoned Communism. I'm all for socialism (you can be a democratic socialist). Sure Mao and Stalin killed people (Stalin was clinically insane) but that's irrelevant to my point. And remember, style of government is a means to an end, if you agree with Machiavelli's dictum.
@cleatusjr The Nazis were not socialists, they were a RIGHT WING PARTY. If you want to learn why you're wrong, read a freakin' history book instead of just assuming things off the top of your head. Hitler hated bolsheviks (Marxist Socialist Democrats), liberals, gays, unions, the educated, the retarded - anyone he deemed as unpure or a threat, and that was just about everyone except the sycophants and psychopaths who heiled his every batshit crazy idea.
@ismeme You don't know what you're talking about, Hitler controlled the free market which makes him closer to Marxism than Capitalism. They were called the National Socialist Party because they were socialist. Hating people doesn't make you facist. How can you call Hitler a conservative when he Nationalized industries and grew government to the point where they killed anyone who disagreed. Marxism was also based on hate for minorities and gays. Freedom of speech. Suck on that, bitch.
@cleatusjr "They were called the National Socialist Party because they were socialist."
You don't even have the sense to know how foolish you're making yourself look with the RW idiocy you spew, do you? Like I said, do some reading. If the truth really matters to you, that is.
To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, Nazism promoted an economic third position; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist.[1][2] 1.^ The Nazi Economic Recovery, 1932-1938 R. J. Overy, Economic History Society.
2.^ Francis R. Nicosia. Business and Industry in Nazi Germany, Berghan Books, p. 43
@ismeme The Nazis accused communism and capitalism of being associated with Jewish influences and interests. {1) 1. Bendersky, Joseph W. A history of Nazi Germany: 1919-1945. 2nd ed. Burnham Publishers, 2000. p. 159.
@ismeme They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.[1] 1. Bendersky, Joseph W. A history of Nazi Germany: 1919-1945. 2nd ed. Burnham Publishers, 2000. p. 40
@cleatusjr Yes, and if you'd read more than just the bit that mentions "socialism" you'd realize your error. For instance, "They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism" - "declared" being the operative word. Hitler promised a lot to gain power and then reneged on almost all of it. His policies were decidedly and violently anti-socialist. State ownership applied only to foreign & enemy (Jewish) entities; German industry was entirely capitalistic and given preference.
@cleatusjr Basically, when you get past your blind spot - if you ever do - you'll see why you're wrong. Nazism was offered as a remedy to the bolshevik revolution, a very specific form of socialism at the time that Hitler feared would overtake Germany and wanted to destroy - much as the US right fear and want to destroy anything that smacks even generally of communism/socialism to this day.
@cleatusjr Sir, every country during World War 2 Nationalized their economy. It was the standard Economic Model utilized by every waring Faction out of necessity to ease the production of weapons needed for the War. I doubt that you've never read a single book in your life pertaining to fascism, and the fact that you would draw comparisons to Marxism(Which I also doubt you never read) is just purely naive.
@Ieghairdude If I am so wrong I would like it if you guys would explain what you mean by socialism. I say social security, medicare, medicade, are all forms of socialism. Just becuse every country nationalized industry does that mean it is not socialism. Isn't nationalizing an industry socialist. If not I guess I am confused. Please clarify.
@mickeysears In very broad strokes, socialism is an economic system in which "the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy." In modern societies, socialism often attempts to eradicate class divisions. While the word "socialism" is sometimes used interchangeably with "communism," the two aren't the same -- communism is a more extreme form of socialism.
@cossintan1 Please read my comment to guitarmaster199 just below this comment. As I said to him, communism is non existant. It was never meant to be. It was a trap to get the masses to accept socialism. Just like the promise that we only need a certain tax for a short period of time. Once established, you're trapped.
@mickeysears Communism advocates the "collective ownership of property and the organization of labour for the common advantage of all members." While communism is first and foremost an economic system, it's also a political ideology that rejects religion. And just as communism is a form of socialism, Marxism, Maoism, and Leninism are branches of communism.
@mickeysears Like socialism and communism, fascism uses a central authority to maintain control, but "terror and censorship" are common. It results from economic failure in democratic political systems. Interestingly, while socialism and communism are both on the left end of the political spectrum, fascism contains elements of both "left and right ideology" and rises from economic collapse. The only common characteristics between the three are big government and ism.
@cossintan1 "fascism uses a central authority to maintain control, but "terror and censorship" are common"
Have you been inside China or North Korea lately? Both proclaim to be Socialist/Communist governments. Is there not terror and censorship within it's borders? Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. They are both big government centrally controlled systems. The ideology makes no difference. That's just the road taken to get to the end result. Control of business and it's people.
@cossintan1 Also, the politcal spectrum that you use is widely accepted but completely inaccurate. The right left spectrum shows total government states on either end of the spectrum with the US sliding back and forth between the ends. Either moving toward a higher degree of socialism or fascism, or creeping socialism. That's stupid. The whole spectrum is socialist. Where is the Limited Constitutional Republic? Where is no government?
@cossintan1 The correct political spectrum to use is one where total or massive government is on one side (because they are the same) and anarchy or no government on the other. That way, a Limited Constitutional Republic can be seen as right of Anarchy. This makes more sense than the standard spectrum use today. This way the right left bar can be overlayed vertically and we can see the slide to the right toward bigger government as we move up and down between conservative and liberal.
@mickeysears Well said, I really do not want carry this discussion on any further because politics is not my forte and you would surely lose me. All I'm saying is that socialism would not be as pernicious and deleterious to the U.S. as all the conservatives claim. Socialism, communism and fascism are similar no one’s denying that but they're not the same, if they were they would share the same name.
@mickeysears Most importantly, socialism is a form of economics NOT governing and could be used in conjunction with democracy, communism, fascism, etc...As I said in my response to cleatusjr style of government is a means to an end and (within reason) the ends justify the means.
The strategy is right out of the Nazi playbook of Joseph Goebbels. In which, his rules of effective propaganda is to lie as outrageously as possible(most folks will think it's so out there that it must be true) &blame the enemy target for the crimes you've committed. Works till this day. Look at the Tea-baggers.
However, these effects fall flat on a society that practices the fine art of---FACT CHECKING.
@proxcis listin ass hole, take your rasist comments and go fuck your self some other place. sure move to denmark, but then you should know that thier law says you cannot directly travel back to your home country, so fuck off, norway is a good chiose.
but just cus we arent as rasist and ignorant as meny people like you are, dosent mean we are going down. so fuck you anyways
I've been boycotting Wal-Mart since I've been old enough to drive.
They ruin the economy.
Both locally, and nationaly.
Small towns esspecially.
They come in with their cheap crap that's made in China, the dumb locals think "Cool! the prices are so low!", (which is because they're made in sweat-shops for pennies), and start buying everything there.
The local stores go out of buisiness, and these idiots have shopped themselves
Newsflash: In your scenario - how is it Walmart's fault and not the fault of the "dumb locals" that CHOOSE to shop there? Tell me, do you look for high prices when you shop for an item - or are you just paying lip service? Do you buy online, which hurts your local economy even more than shopping at Walmart (no local jobs, no state sales tax, no state property tax, no local community donations) - or does that hypocrisy fit nicely into your bullshit facade?
Give free market Capitalism a chance.....But how can you enslave people with massive amounts of unpayable debt with Capitalism restored? This is why we have Corporatism based on theft by our govt and Federal Reserve. They steal from us, the tax slave and give it to corporations & banksters. Capitalism never had a chance in America and this is why we're all screwed!
When will these American extreme right fucktards realise that the USA is the only country that is still giving a fuck about Socialism. The Red Scare is over; Communism has been shown that it cannot work because some people are always more equal than others and "socialists" i.e. anyone who supports any left wing ideas are pushing for fair rights to the people. Disguising not giving a fuck about others with "oh these socialist policies will fuck people over". They really are thick as pig shit.
They have socialist health care in Mexico - last I checked they didn't have a big problem with Americans illegally immigrating into it though.
Darn that capitalism for providing the "unfettered" opportunities that people from all over the world have flocked to for the last couple of centuries!
If the day comes that I only have enough extra money to shop at Wal-Mart; I'll be pissed. I like my clothes and shoes to last longer than one year. I wear my Dr. Martins until they fall apart. I'm soo bad for the economy. ;)
I love how that conservative pundit calls Walmart "synonymous with the American Dream." Couldn't agree more. It's a perfect example of the race to the bottom that is the inevitable result of unfettered capitalism. Now retirees, going broke when the American dream has proven to be just that, a dream, can get minimum wage jobs as greeters at Walmart and make just enough money to buy the cheap plastic crap from China that Walmart sells. The American Dream, indeed.
"Unfettered Capitalism" - gee, that sounds pretty bad - is that another way of saying "giving customers exactly what they want"?
Newsflash: last I checked nobody forces anybody to shop there.
Tell me, in your mind how should Walmart or any other store be properly "fettered"?
Should they be restricted in the prices they offer? Forced to sell at higher prices? Sounds like a great recipe for success for the poor to me - the government dictating businesses to sell at higher profits?
So now what - you're saying that the only place people on a budget can afford to shop at is Walmart? And that makes Walmart the "evil" enemy of the poor.......how? The problem isn't that anyone is paid a bullshit salary, the problem is that people like you try to sell the notion that ANYONE has the "right" to a high-paying job, no matter what their skills, qualifications, or efforts. It's exactly that pathetic entitlement mentality that is dooming this country, not helping it.
@C0ct0pusPrime Amen! Most "conservatives" are too wealthy to fathom the plight of the poor (although I doubt they'd care if they could, reveling in their Ayn Rand narcissism), and the poor who consider themselves "conservative" are just too stupid to know better...IMHO of course.
@C0ct0pusPrime I think you misunderstand Capitalism and even more importantly, the causes of our financial meltdown. Corporations like Wal-Mart have nothing to do with Capitalism. They collude with and are subsidized by government - that's fascism, not capitalism. Just because the shitbags on TV call our current "Corporatism/fascism" capitalism, doesn't make it so. Capitalism means no free hand outs to business. Under REAL free markets, Wal-Mart would have been bankrupt years ago.
@C0ct0pusPrime Not a chance. Monopolies can't survive in a free market system. Monopolies can only survive through government intervention. This has been debated to death on youTube already, and the fact remains that ALL monopolies that have ever existed have been the result of government interference in the market (socialism/fascism, NOT capitalism).
You are quite right. Many people seem to confuse corporatism with capitalism.
Michael Moore did so in his latest movie, which is extremely unfortunate.
The financial collapse was caused because of lack of free markets. The Fed artificially surpressed interest rates that caused what we know as cheap money to circulate, which of course caused huge mal investment and created a huge bubble, largely in the housing market. Im sure you know that lol im just letting everyone else kno
@treysparker People need to be reminded that fiat currency and central banking are planks of the communist manifesto - pretty much the opposite of capitalism. One is centralized control of currency creation in the hands of a few elite, the other (no central banking) is no control and only voluntary interaction.
@treysparker "The financial collapse was caused because of lack of free markets."
Really? Then perhaps you'd like to explain why Canada, with its highly regulated banking system, didn't suffer a mortgage meltdown and is recovering from the recession faster than the rest of us.
It's because the bank of Canada kept interest rates high.
In fact id go further and say Canada never felt the effects of the 'global' recession because its financial system is so sound. Its not sound because of regulations, its sound because the government stays out of the market. Stephan Harper refused to give Canadians a huge stimulus for example, which was fantastic.
@treysparker Actually Canada's huge deficit is a result of Harper pumping stimulus money into the economy. And the Canadian financial system is sound because its banks are very regulated. They didn't engage in the practice of writing risky mortgages then packaging and selling them to the private market as exotic financial instruments; they had to rely on the borrowers repaying them. What a novel idea.
I work at TD, believe me, we're not regulated. The crisis had absolutely nothing to do with regulation or lack thereof.
Thats a huge myth that has been pushed on us by people who dont understand how the crisis happened and never saw it coming.
The fed artificially kept interest rates at an all time low, and created a huge economic bubble. The cause was the Fed Reserve / Federal government, the banks taking risks was merely a symptom of the Fed's mistakes.
In other words, even if there was more regulation in regards to American banks,
the crisis would have happened anyway! The crisis wasnt just in housing! It had to do with mal investments everywhere! Americas was running a 600 Billion dollar trade deficit, and all the consumption was put on a giant national debt credit card. It all had to do with cheap money provided by the Fed. The market wanted rates to be much higher, but Greenspan / Bernanke refused to raise it.
@treysparker So you work at Toronto-Dominion Bank or one of its subsidiaries like TD Ameritrade. I read TD had the sense to get out of the structured products game in 2005; they couldn't see the risk reward, what with the lack of transparency. Smart move. I wonder how those who vilified TD for it feel now?
I also read that TD, like the top 5 Canadian banks, largely abides by banking regulation.
@ismeme As for US banks taking risks due to the Fed's mistakes, no one held a gun to their heads. Without regulation or oversight of the instruments they were playing with, they had to rely on themselves to weigh the risk reward just like TD did. Unlike TD they let greed go to their heads and chose to believe the gravy train would keep on rolling. That isn't the Fed's fault.
All banks are regulated in some form or another, both in Canada and the US.
Canadas economy didnt collapse, but not because of regulations regarding mortgages.
That had absolutely nothing to do with anything.
You're telling me easy mortgages are responsible for 600 Billion dollar trade deficits? lmao. The housing bubble popping was repsonsible for record high unmployment? lmao. You gotta be kidding me.
The federal reserve is solely responsible for the collapse.
@treysparker Easy credit in general played a big role. The Fed's low interest rates combined with Bush's push to put more minorities in homes by loosening financial requirements, people being allowed to take out 2nd and 3rd mortgages they couldn't afford, Bush putting two wars and a tax cut for the wealthy on credit, plus all the innovation in financial products that regulation didn't keep up with....It's not difficult to see that more than one factor played into it.
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Haha, "socialist Europe" (which doesn't exist. It's called social democracy) has big government in bed with big business and the ppl get screwed over?
Nope, Europe has big government with heavily regulated big business and the people are actually getting something for their taxes --> free education, universal health care that pays for what you need, no matter if it is minor or cancer treatment. Stupid, dishonest republicans..
MsHyde1 3 weeks ago
Your pretty funny Prime in most of your videos. I disagreed with you on some of them because you were being one-side. But it's okay that we agree to disagree with each other & your cool for not deleting my post because u didn't like them. I'm twice your age & feel u have plenty to learn but it's refreshing to see a young man using his brain. Most young I see on the streets don't have a clue. The're too busy doing dope, going to the malls, playing video games etc to stop & learn about the world.
skjoyner 6 months ago
@skjoyner yeah, i can be pretty abrasive sometimes (ok, most of the time), but i enjoy debating/arguing rather than censoring/silencing those that disagree with me. we probably have a lot in common if we managed to not talk about religion and politics.
cheers
C0ct0pusPrime 6 months ago
Walmart already is socialist, it hires the majority of it's "associates" part-time so it doesn't have to provide benefits. The government has to come in and provide for them.
bradjbourgeois73 9 months ago
@elvishairdude12 stop calling it obamacare ya sheep
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
@4:23 stop right there, prove these unions r corrupt. I am so sick and tired of people spreading lies that unions r powerful, that they r corrupt, and that they hurt the economy. the corporates hav paid our representatives and senators 2 make laws that neuter unions 2 the point of uselessness. I havn't belonged 2 one yet that was corrupt. what would b the point? they can't do anything anyway!!! they've helped the economy by helping the people survive their employment
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
lol walmart should act in its own best interests and f*ck every1 else over in healthcare! hehe what a tard (in all reality, it is acting in its own best interests 2 support a government option/run healthcare :P)
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
walmart supporting various healthcare socialist agendas makes me want 2 shop there more
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
hehe 4 all the morons that bellieve in trickle down economic theory: u should want government funded healthcare. it would b an expense companies would no long hav 2 shoulder so completely, it would help small business, and all the money they sav would trickle down 2 ur gullible a**es :) think about it
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
I would like to say that double like, crazy objectivism capitalist
junkamahn 10 months ago
I would like to say that double like crazy objectivism capitalist
junkamahn 10 months ago
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TheChuchulainn 1 year ago
@bdj010 Since you are not racist, greedy. Are you super religous, anti abortion, or just hate paying taxes. What makes you republican? Why even call your selves conservative they are no different from the republicans.
carnypimp 1 year ago
@bdj010 my parents are conservative republicans...we get along fine and i love them very much...you haven't taught me a damn thing.
all you've done is accuse me of things you think i believe, and then throw some unbacked, out of whack statistic at me and you think you've won this 'argument.' come the fuck on.
C0ct0pusPrime 1 year ago
@bdj010 you're a fucking moron.
have a nice life.
C0ct0pusPrime 1 year ago
@bdj010 "I find that very hard to believe when you are making videos of all of the time bashing people who don't share your viewpoints(which is about 98% of the nation)."
you score a -3 on the "make sense-o-meter".
"You sound like one of those Obama worshipping cunts who wants something for nothing."
care to explain how i sound like that? and while you're at it, explain how obama even got elected if 98% of the country disagree with me...
C0ct0pusPrime 1 year ago
@bdj010 i work my ass off, so obviously i have a job...2 in fact.
and how can you call me hateful and in the next word call me a cunt? are you that much of an oblivious hypocrite, or just a troll?
C0ct0pusPrime 1 year ago
socialism is no good man....its theft..so is corporate capitalism...government in itself is plain old theft and violence
Krivaka 1 year ago
i dont get it..i mean are you saying that european governments arent in bed with corporations?? because they are...so is america...
Krivaka 1 year ago
the guy on fox is clueless..big gov + big bus... isn't socialism...
Xenthoid 1 year ago
"To me, corporatism is a result of poorly regulated capitalism" Hey C0ct0pus that not what corporatism is. Corporatism or crony capitalism is when business and government get mixed and make laws that are design to burden, weed or simply block their competitors. Government is used to artificially grow a business that has not really deserve the profit do to lack competition or corporate welfare like subsidy.
Try learn what corporatism means because you are misleading you viewers.
mrphoo67 1 year ago
@mrphoo67 that's what the government has been doing lately with these laws being passed that a corporation can spend as much as they like on candidates. they control the politicians so yeah, they're gonna weed out competition. with restored regulation, the financial collapse wouldn't hav happened and competition would hav been present when the big banks fell. regulation is good 4 small business, workers, and consumers
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
@cruelbusiness1984 "With restored regulation, the financial collapse wouldn't hav happened and competition would hav been present when the big banks fell." Your assuming that was a lack of government regulations, Sorry but Freddie mea and Freddie mac are government created, government sponsored and government regulated companies design to get more people in to housing. as a consequence government created the environment for banks to bad loans. -->
mrphoo67 9 months ago
@mrphoo67 The financial crisis was caused government corporatist policy that we paid the price and capitalism get the blame. To add insult to injury the banks bad behavior were reward with bailouts that create a moral hazard in the long run. The financial was cause by the exact a regulated supported corporatism which C0ct0pusPrime does not understand.
mrphoo67 9 months ago
@mrphoo67 "The financial was cause by the exact a regulated supported corporatism which C0ct0pusPrime does not understand."
does ANYBODY understand what the fuck you're saying?
C0ct0pusPrime 9 months ago
@C0ct0pusPrime I'm sorry for my bad grammar. I will try to be more clear. The financial crisis was not a result from lack of regulation, there was plenty of that. In fact the banks are the most regulated companies in america. No the financial crisis was cause by poor government policy that encourage banks to hand out bad loans to people. Government regulation and medaling lead to the financial crisis. -->
mrphoo67 9 months ago
@mrphoo67 This is corporatism. A mixture of government and companies colluding together to get special favors, though regulations, subsidies, tax loopholes and even bailouts. Call it fascist if you want because there is noting capitalist about it. Your Annotation on corporatism is wrong and dishonest and I have already called you out on it. I hope I made myself a tad more clear so you can understand the fuck I saying. Change your annotation Prime if you wish to be more honest.
mrphoo67 9 months ago
i hate it when they say obamacare
zubestr 1 year ago 3
You wouldn't have your home computer and Youtube without capitalism.
KagexMane 1 year ago
@KagexMane Youtube is a free video based forum. Did you pay for your account?
O-o
TMBrd89 1 year ago
That's a very absolutist view of capitalism. Being a corporation doesn't equal being capitalist. The bail-outs for "too big to fail" is about as capitalist as robbing a 7-11 could be called "shopping." Businesses that crumble (and yes, lose peoples' jobs, but by now that's neither here nor there) are an unfortunate but necessary evil of a free and functional society. The problem is the failure that all bail-outs are proving to be...Bush's AND Obama's.
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago 6
@QuartuvLarry I agree. where one big company falls, other smaller companies begin 2 fill in the gap wit service and jobs. its like the tree in the rainforest that falls and all the saplings underneath it compete 4 the sunlight. the consumer wins out in these cases
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
@cruelbusiness1984 There's capitalism, and then there's CRAPitalism
QuartuvLarry 9 months ago
The left was once the party of the regular Joe but now I fear it's become a tool of the corporations. How can you tell me that watching a debate between Reps and Dems isn't just watching two factions built on opposing corporations battle each other out? It's all a game, the system we have right now. It's just a big game of chess and we're the lowly pawns. Wal-mart can play however they want to if it keeps 'em in control.
TehSmellulare 1 year ago
@TehSmellulare Shame some other parties aren't any better.
YaoiHuntressEarth 1 year ago
@TehSmellulare I choose the lesser of the 2 evils because republicans run the country and it falls apart. they'd lov it 2 return 2 the 1800's in just about every way possible
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
Wal-Mart can make whatever statement they like. Why does this guy think its his business?
gagaplex 1 year ago
More Republican bull crap.. their bigotry and their hypocrisy is rather obvious by now.. this is just more evidence to support that.
I cannot emphasize this enough, the Republican Party's leadership is a but of money grubbing, clueless christian fundamentalists. They care nothing for the American people, it's been shown time and time again.. fuck this guy, and fuck his party.
If i ever need to renew my hatred for the Republican Party, I'll just watch your videos C0ct0pus. ^^
afterhumanity333 1 year ago 6
Walmart clearly does not want to give their employees health insurance. Their employees also want health insurance. The best way to do this?
phunkadellicphilsabi 1 year ago
I do love to hear us europeans getting insulted, after all there're right.
We only live longer have better healthcare higher happiness stats in general.
Plainly we're the ones doing it wrong. After all our societies have only existed for a few thousand years longer then america has. Why would we have learned anything in that time?
Nice vid.
stathamajf 1 year ago 3
@stathamajf
America hasn't existed as long because it took a while for a group of visionaries to arrive on the scene and leave their oppressive European nations to begin a free country.
Don't kid yourself. America is the most prosperous, influential, and powerful nation in the world. Even the poor have a high standard of living. And we achieve that without a central force rationing our property.
Have fun getting your "awesome" health care with money that was stolen from your fellow citizens.
KagexMane 1 year ago 3
@KagexMane yes, oppress. And in the time your country has come into existence there might have been changes. Hell britain's only had socialised healthcare for about sixty years. Before that people sounded similiar tio you.
Prosperous- No
Influential - Yes but not the most
Powerful - Oh god no.
Look it up, China's beating you for one. As are a number of others.
even the tiny island I'm from has more pros.
So you have no government or social net at all then?
I do. So do they.
stathamajf 1 year ago
Nice one, this vids dead on!
shade97 1 year ago
"The main vice of capitalism is the uneven distribution of prosperity. The main vice of socialism is the even distribution of misery."
-Winston Churchill
Ivorygate 1 year ago 2
"When the people find they can vote themselves money,
that will herald the end of the republic."
-Benjamin Franklin
Ivorygate 1 year ago 2
"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. "
-Thomas Jefferson
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate "I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country"
-Thomas Jefferson
twochordcool 1 year ago 4
Someone name on Socialist nation that isn't on the verge of bankruptcy. Name one socialist program in America that is not failing.
LibsMakeGr8Sandbags 1 year ago
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags Canada is doing well, relatively speaking. And that's because their banks are well-regulated and didn't participate in the risky practice of packaging mortgages and selling them to the global private market as exotic, unregulated financial instruments like so many other nations did, including the US. They had no mortgage meltdown, and while their deficit is at an all-time high they're expected to return to surplus by 2015.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme
You said "Canada is doing well" .
Then you said "while their deficit is at an all-time high they're expected to return to surplus by 2015".
Isn't every nation expecting to "recover" in the next 5-10 years?
All socialist nations are failing today as we sit at our computers. I asked for someone to name one that isn't failing for a reason, because there isn't one.
What happens 5-10 years from now is a different story.
LibsMakeGr8Sandbags 1 year ago
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags "Isn't every nation expecting to "recover" in the next 5-10 years?"
They may expect to, but Canada is the only one that appears to have a realistic shot at it. The Canadian economy grew at just over 6% the first three quarters this year, their banks are sound, and 3/4 of lost jobs have been recovered. That doesn't sound like a failing "socialist" nation.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme Well congrats. I guess your country is the best and free of any hard economic times. Canada should become a model for all others.
LibsMakeGr8Sandbags 1 year ago
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags I'm American and live in the US. I didn't say that Canada is "free of any hard economic times", only that they haven't suffered as badly as the rest of us. And Canada is in fact being regarded as a model by other G20 nations for how it regulates its banking industry. Unfortunately I don't see that lesson being taken on board here.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme I get all of that. I get it. But what you are saying is that while other countries are getting a "F", Canada is getting a "F+".
LibsMakeGr8Sandbags 1 year ago
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags You asked for someone to name one "socialist" nation that isn't failing and I have. Not only isn't Canada failing, its economy is structurally far more sound than ours. Here's a thought: instead of trying to minimize the truth to protect your belief system, try learning from it.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme I really don't care. Your goal is to promote socialism in America. I hear to say that it won't happen. You're out gunned.
LibsMakeGr8Sandbags 1 year ago
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags I expected as much. You and so many others like you on the Right would truly rather see our economy screwed than admit that proper regulation would have averted the crisis we're in, simply because you've been told to equate regulation with some daft notion of "gov't interference" and "socialism". It's no wonder this country is in such a mess.
We'll see how much RW stupidity Americans are willing to put up with and who's really outgunned.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme Well, I'm not a Republican. Just an American tired of both of you sticking your nose in my business and hands in my pockets.
But I will pick a side when the dollar crashes. Gallop Poll released conservatives outnumber liberals 2:1. And if you really want to talk about who has the most fire power, that's easy to find out too. Anyways, this type of talk is pointless on the internet. We're all about to face reality very soon. Good luck!
LibsMakeGr8Sandbags 1 year ago
@LibsMakeGr8Sandbags Didn't say you were a Repub but you are a confirmed Right Wingnut. And lol are you ever in for a surprise.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme You have nothing.
LibsMakeGr8Sandbags 1 year ago
I would like to see 100% of the American people with health insurance but government take over (Obama Care) is not the way to go.
DeviX03 1 year ago
Whats with the flagging? Do some people disagree with you or something?
Freedom of speech. Suck on that, bitch.
JTisch25 1 year ago 4
I like to think that if John Wayne, Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan were around and in full health, they'd be ashamed of how childish their party is acting.
YaoiHuntressEarth 1 year ago
@YaoiHuntressEarth
Your right, but not in the way that you think.
If John Wayne, Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan were around today, they WOULD be ashamed of how childish their party is acting - in other words acting like people with no wisdom - in other words acting like big-government socialist democrats.
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@YaoiHuntressEarth
Well, Teddy Roosevelt would be ashamed, yes. Not so sure about the other guys.
RonPaulGeorgeRingo 1 year ago
@RonPaulGeorgeRingo Especially since Teddy was an environmentalist (he did create the national park system) and would be smacking them in the head for not wanting to put the screws on BP.
YaoiHuntressEarth 1 year ago
@YaoiHuntressEarth
Exactly. TR has nothing in common with modern-day (post 1980) "R" party.
RonPaulGeorgeRingo 1 year ago
Kids and their Capitalism. *Rolls eyes*
Nothiean 1 year ago
If you're talking about "capitalism" as a state-run SYSTEM, I agree, and can understand why others are calling it "corporatism". However, if by "capitalism", you're talking about the PROCESS that a capitalist uses to turn one form of capital into things they value more through their labor and trade, then I can't agree.
Capitalism is a word that I think should be retired. There are two many variations of it, and it is too difficult have a discussion about it if we can't agree on the term.
somecomputergeek 1 year ago
love your videos for the most part coctopus, but america is corporatism right now not capitalism. Look how well hong kong does, that is pure capitalism
8xJesterx8 1 year ago
Capitalism is working only for those who aren't taking it in the shitpipe. It's essential for someone to get screwed.
TheOtherSide100 1 year ago
How about this? If we had universal single payer healthcare Wallmart would not have to pay health insurance for his employees. BIG saving!!! Also, if the customers couldn't lose their homes and savings because of medical bills they would ALSO have a lot of money to spend in Wallmart.
Get my point?
Europe is a mess in every sense of the word. But at least medical bills don't ruin you.
xhagast 1 year ago
@xhagast "Europe is a mess in every sense of the word. But at least medical bills don't ruin you."
The problem with this comment is that the spending eurpoe is doing now to cover everthing is going to collapse the entire european economy. Jobs will be lost, Cuts in all programs. Just how long do you think universal healthcare will last when the whole economy tanks?
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RonPaulGeorgeRingo 1 year ago 2
As a canadian it blows my mind just how resistant the american people are to getting something from the government for free and even if it means taxes going up it would still be significantly cheaper than what's there now. Why such resistance to such a wonderful system
adamn7777 1 year ago 5
@adamn7777 If your taxes go up then it's not free is it? It's only free for the lowlife leaches that don't pay taxes. If that's the kind of system you advocate, let the leaches have everthing they want at the expense of the few actually paying for it, then we Americans say KEEP IT.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@mickeysears The amount that taxes go up is much less than what the average person would pay for with the system of private health care that you got right now. While this would support the people that get away with tax fraud it would also support the greater number of people that couldn't afford to get their own health insurance.
It's more of a socialist approach but I couldn't imagine life without my government sponsored health care
adamn7777 1 year ago 6
@adamn7777
The money has to come from somewhere. You may not be paying the taxes to cover your own healthcare but somebody is. Where does anyone get off thinking they deserve something they're not entitled to? Why should someone else pay for you? Where does it end? Government sponsored food? Government sponsored housing? Government sponsored cars? When it gets to the point when they tell you to bend over so you can get your government sponsored ass wiped, will you then complain? Probably not.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@mickeysears The money does come from taxes I make no secret of that but having an entire country split the medical bills for the entire country means the average person ends up paying less in extra taxes than they would if htey had free medicine.
Personally I think everyone should be entitled to see a doctor if they're sick it's a necessity in my eyes. Government sponsored food and housing exists, and government sponsored cars are called buses
adamn7777 1 year ago 5
@mickeysears "If that's the kind of system you advocate, let the leaches have everthing they want at the expense of the few actually paying for it, then we Americans say KEEP IT."
Then you'd better shred your health insurance card, because in 2005 the average US family and employer paid over $1K per year as a hidden tax in premiums to cover the uninsured. Covered individuals forked over $400 on average. Those amounts will have gone up with so many people losing their jobs and coverage.
ismeme 1 year ago
coctopus for president
uni4dfx 1 year ago
'The legacy of this country'. Ha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha.
duffeknol 1 year ago
one thing that people dont understand in america is that socialism is NOT communism.
guitarmaster199 1 year ago 21
@guitarmaster199 socialism is not communism, but communism is socialism
kjkj74 1 year ago
@guitarmaster199 socialism is not communism, but communism is socialism
kjkj74 1 year ago
@guitarmaster199 Evidently you don't understand that their is actually NO SUCH THING AS COMMUNISM. It's a fairy tale that was thrown out as a carrot to the ignorant masses. The stick is socialism that, all the communists say, needs to be in place before it can lead to communism. Can you just imagine a dictator, that has used murder and brutality to achieve sole domination to suddenly give it all up to make way for peace and proparity through communism? And millions actually belive this?
mickeysears 1 year ago
@guitarmaster199 uh no "people" in america do understand the difference, however people like yourself dont understand that a parasitic society created by socialism is detrimental to the people at large. open up a history book and show me a society where socialism and communism have served the greater good. let me save you some time...it doesnt exist.
elnegroid 1 year ago
@guitarmaster199
Republicans dont have the brains to see the difference.Obama is no communist or socialist.I find that a shame.
MrTabby5000 1 year ago 4
@guitarmaster199
Another thing to understand is that America already has socialist institutions and has had them for years, but nobody has complained. Any time an institution is supported by government funds, that's socialism. That means schools, libraries, highways, parks, the police department, the fire department, and even the military are socialist. But if you don't like that, perhaps we can switch over to a private fire company. Enjoy haggling with them while your house burns down.
TBTabby 1 year ago 6
I'm tired of some fucktard telling me what the American people want. Especially when I'm an American, and what they're saying I want is, um... NOT what I want AT ALL
TheMaverickMJ 1 year ago 7
Conservatives are scared that socialism will turn us into communists; they really can't see the difference between the two. And even then their obscure vision of communism is closer to fascism.
cossintan1 1 year ago
@cossintan1 Do you think of Mao and Stalin when you think of communism? If so please tell me how these guys were any better than Hlter? I do think communism is very close to facism. They both require a big government. Don't forget the Nazis were the National Socialst Party. They had ties to socialism. If this is not true, please explain to me why, I love to be proven wrong.
cleatusjr 1 year ago
@cleatusjr HOw come you won't address my points I've been addressing yours and you keep changing the subject.
cleatusjr 1 year ago
@cleatusjr HOw come you won't address my points I've been addressing yours and you keep changing the subject.
cleatusjr 1 year ago
@cleatusjr Communism: is sharing the raw resources, means of production, profits, and products (or production) amongst ALL of the people! This means no private ownership of resources or means of production, but YES on other sorts of private ownership! Capitalist propaganda says you cannot own anything privately under Communism. NOT SO! Communism means everyone gets the same remuneration regardless of what their job is.
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cossintan1 1 year ago
@cleatusjr Fascism: is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party, culture or society as a whole
cossintan1 1 year ago
@cleatusjr Mainly, Communism is an economic system. Fascism describes the way a government governs. Having said this I would like to point out that I never condoned Communism. I'm all for socialism (you can be a democratic socialist). Sure Mao and Stalin killed people (Stalin was clinically insane) but that's irrelevant to my point. And remember, style of government is a means to an end, if you agree with Machiavelli's dictum.
cossintan1 1 year ago
@cleatusjr
"Don't forget the Nazis were the National Socialst Party"
And don't forget the full name of China is The People's Republic of China. By your logic, the Chinese Communists have ties to the Republican Party.
Oh, and by the way, socialists were among the first groups of people sent to Dachau.
mistergarth 1 year ago
@cleatusjr The Nazis were not socialists, they were a RIGHT WING PARTY. If you want to learn why you're wrong, read a freakin' history book instead of just assuming things off the top of your head. Hitler hated bolsheviks (Marxist Socialist Democrats), liberals, gays, unions, the educated, the retarded - anyone he deemed as unpure or a threat, and that was just about everyone except the sycophants and psychopaths who heiled his every batshit crazy idea.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme You don't know what you're talking about, Hitler controlled the free market which makes him closer to Marxism than Capitalism. They were called the National Socialist Party because they were socialist. Hating people doesn't make you facist. How can you call Hitler a conservative when he Nationalized industries and grew government to the point where they killed anyone who disagreed. Marxism was also based on hate for minorities and gays. Freedom of speech. Suck on that, bitch.
cleatusjr 1 year ago
@cleatusjr "They were called the National Socialist Party because they were socialist."
You don't even have the sense to know how foolish you're making yourself look with the RW idiocy you spew, do you? Like I said, do some reading. If the truth really matters to you, that is.
ismeme 1 year ago
To rescue Germany from the effects of the Great Depression, Nazism promoted an economic third position; a managed economy that was neither capitalist nor communist.[1][2] 1.^ The Nazi Economic Recovery, 1932-1938 R. J. Overy, Economic History Society.
2.^ Francis R. Nicosia. Business and Industry in Nazi Germany, Berghan Books, p. 43
cleatusjr 1 year ago
@ismeme The Nazis accused communism and capitalism of being associated with Jewish influences and interests. {1) 1. Bendersky, Joseph W. A history of Nazi Germany: 1919-1945. 2nd ed. Burnham Publishers, 2000. p. 159.
cleatusjr 1 year ago
@ismeme They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism that was to provide for the Aryan race and the German nation: economic security, social welfare programs for workers, a just wage, honour for workers' importance to the nation, and protection from capitalist exploitation.[1] 1. Bendersky, Joseph W. A history of Nazi Germany: 1919-1945. 2nd ed. Burnham Publishers, 2000. p. 40
cleatusjr 1 year ago
@ismeme so there you have it a little CITED hostory. CARE TO READ?????
cleatusjr 1 year ago
@cleatusjr Yes, and if you'd read more than just the bit that mentions "socialism" you'd realize your error. For instance, "They declared support for a nationalist form of socialism" - "declared" being the operative word. Hitler promised a lot to gain power and then reneged on almost all of it. His policies were decidedly and violently anti-socialist. State ownership applied only to foreign & enemy (Jewish) entities; German industry was entirely capitalistic and given preference.
ismeme 1 year ago
@cleatusjr Basically, when you get past your blind spot - if you ever do - you'll see why you're wrong. Nazism was offered as a remedy to the bolshevik revolution, a very specific form of socialism at the time that Hitler feared would overtake Germany and wanted to destroy - much as the US right fear and want to destroy anything that smacks even generally of communism/socialism to this day.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme MrGREEN419: Lefties are pussies. Giving up your choice to your government is like saying you're too stupid to figure life out on your own.
cleatusjr 1 year ago
@cleatusjr The only people you impress with name-calling are those already on your side. This lefty "pussy" served in our military. How about you?
ismeme 1 year ago
@cleatusjr Sir, every country during World War 2 Nationalized their economy. It was the standard Economic Model utilized by every waring Faction out of necessity to ease the production of weapons needed for the War. I doubt that you've never read a single book in your life pertaining to fascism, and the fact that you would draw comparisons to Marxism(Which I also doubt you never read) is just purely naive.
Ieghairdude 1 year ago 18
@Ieghairdude If I am so wrong I would like it if you guys would explain what you mean by socialism. I say social security, medicare, medicade, are all forms of socialism. Just becuse every country nationalized industry does that mean it is not socialism. Isn't nationalizing an industry socialist. If not I guess I am confused. Please clarify.
cleatusjr 1 year ago
@Ieghairdude most r sadly uninformed as 2 what communism really is or really is about.
cruelbusiness1984 9 months ago
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@cossintan1 Socialism and facism are the same thing. They are both big government systems that control all aspects of business and production.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@mickeysears In very broad strokes, socialism is an economic system in which "the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy." In modern societies, socialism often attempts to eradicate class divisions. While the word "socialism" is sometimes used interchangeably with "communism," the two aren't the same -- communism is a more extreme form of socialism.
cossintan1 1 year ago
@cossintan1 Please read my comment to guitarmaster199 just below this comment. As I said to him, communism is non existant. It was never meant to be. It was a trap to get the masses to accept socialism. Just like the promise that we only need a certain tax for a short period of time. Once established, you're trapped.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@mickeysears Communism advocates the "collective ownership of property and the organization of labour for the common advantage of all members." While communism is first and foremost an economic system, it's also a political ideology that rejects religion. And just as communism is a form of socialism, Marxism, Maoism, and Leninism are branches of communism.
cossintan1 1 year ago
@mickeysears Like socialism and communism, fascism uses a central authority to maintain control, but "terror and censorship" are common. It results from economic failure in democratic political systems. Interestingly, while socialism and communism are both on the left end of the political spectrum, fascism contains elements of both "left and right ideology" and rises from economic collapse. The only common characteristics between the three are big government and ism.
cossintan1 1 year ago
@cossintan1 "fascism uses a central authority to maintain control, but "terror and censorship" are common"
Have you been inside China or North Korea lately? Both proclaim to be Socialist/Communist governments. Is there not terror and censorship within it's borders? Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. They are both big government centrally controlled systems. The ideology makes no difference. That's just the road taken to get to the end result. Control of business and it's people.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@cossintan1 Also, the politcal spectrum that you use is widely accepted but completely inaccurate. The right left spectrum shows total government states on either end of the spectrum with the US sliding back and forth between the ends. Either moving toward a higher degree of socialism or fascism, or creeping socialism. That's stupid. The whole spectrum is socialist. Where is the Limited Constitutional Republic? Where is no government?
mickeysears 1 year ago
@cossintan1 The correct political spectrum to use is one where total or massive government is on one side (because they are the same) and anarchy or no government on the other. That way, a Limited Constitutional Republic can be seen as right of Anarchy. This makes more sense than the standard spectrum use today. This way the right left bar can be overlayed vertically and we can see the slide to the right toward bigger government as we move up and down between conservative and liberal.
mickeysears 1 year ago
@mickeysears Well said, I really do not want carry this discussion on any further because politics is not my forte and you would surely lose me. All I'm saying is that socialism would not be as pernicious and deleterious to the U.S. as all the conservatives claim. Socialism, communism and fascism are similar no one’s denying that but they're not the same, if they were they would share the same name.
cossintan1 1 year ago
@mickeysears Most importantly, socialism is a form of economics NOT governing and could be used in conjunction with democracy, communism, fascism, etc...As I said in my response to cleatusjr style of government is a means to an end and (within reason) the ends justify the means.
cossintan1 1 year ago
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ismeme 1 year ago
I lol'd so hard on this one xD
You're still the best C0c :D
mickeypopa 1 year ago
The reason their statements are so ironic:
The strategy is right out of the Nazi playbook of Joseph Goebbels. In which, his rules of effective propaganda is to lie as outrageously as possible(most folks will think it's so out there that it must be true) &blame the enemy target for the crimes you've committed. Works till this day. Look at the Tea-baggers.
However, these effects fall flat on a society that practices the fine art of---FACT CHECKING.
kalifani 1 year ago 9
....And because of fact checking we now know what Socialism really is....AND WE LIKE IT. How's that for irony.
kalifani 1 year ago 5
@proxcis listin ass hole, take your rasist comments and go fuck your self some other place. sure move to denmark, but then you should know that thier law says you cannot directly travel back to your home country, so fuck off, norway is a good chiose.
but just cus we arent as rasist and ignorant as meny people like you are, dosent mean we are going down. so fuck you anyways
Danovio 1 year ago
Makes no difference to me.
I've been boycotting Wal-Mart since I've been old enough to drive.
They ruin the economy.
Both locally, and nationaly.
Small towns esspecially.
They come in with their cheap crap that's made in China, the dumb locals think "Cool! the prices are so low!", (which is because they're made in sweat-shops for pennies), and start buying everything there.
The local stores go out of buisiness, and these idiots have shopped themselves
into unemployment.
Dead town.
SinnFein4ever 1 year ago 4
@SinnFein4ever
Newsflash: In your scenario - how is it Walmart's fault and not the fault of the "dumb locals" that CHOOSE to shop there? Tell me, do you look for high prices when you shop for an item - or are you just paying lip service? Do you buy online, which hurts your local economy even more than shopping at Walmart (no local jobs, no state sales tax, no state property tax, no local community donations) - or does that hypocrisy fit nicely into your bullshit facade?
Ivorygate 1 year ago
Give free market Capitalism a chance.....But how can you enslave people with massive amounts of unpayable debt with Capitalism restored? This is why we have Corporatism based on theft by our govt and Federal Reserve. They steal from us, the tax slave and give it to corporations & banksters. Capitalism never had a chance in America and this is why we're all screwed!
JebBlack2010 1 year ago
When will these American extreme right fucktards realise that the USA is the only country that is still giving a fuck about Socialism. The Red Scare is over; Communism has been shown that it cannot work because some people are always more equal than others and "socialists" i.e. anyone who supports any left wing ideas are pushing for fair rights to the people. Disguising not giving a fuck about others with "oh these socialist policies will fuck people over". They really are thick as pig shit.
TheUnillogical 1 year ago 7
PORNO, FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bbdog141414 1 year ago
I love the way the interviewer at 1:55 tries to help the guy sound less crazy and the guy spurns the opportunity.
RebelVoDKa 1 year ago
They have socialist health care in Mexico - last I checked they didn't have a big problem with Americans illegally immigrating into it though.
Darn that capitalism for providing the "unfettered" opportunities that people from all over the world have flocked to for the last couple of centuries!
Ivorygate 1 year ago
We can't have Wal-Mart actually treat its employees like human beings! It betrays the legacy of Wal-Mart's abuse of its workers!
SeekerLancer 1 year ago
Good comments and tape....thanks
I hope there are a lot more people like you....
joraejean 1 year ago
If the day comes that I only have enough extra money to shop at Wal-Mart; I'll be pissed. I like my clothes and shoes to last longer than one year. I wear my Dr. Martins until they fall apart. I'm soo bad for the economy. ;)
gelfling567 1 year ago
I love how that conservative pundit calls Walmart "synonymous with the American Dream." Couldn't agree more. It's a perfect example of the race to the bottom that is the inevitable result of unfettered capitalism. Now retirees, going broke when the American dream has proven to be just that, a dream, can get minimum wage jobs as greeters at Walmart and make just enough money to buy the cheap plastic crap from China that Walmart sells. The American Dream, indeed.
revelwoodie 1 year ago 17
@revelwoodie
"Unfettered Capitalism" - gee, that sounds pretty bad - is that another way of saying "giving customers exactly what they want"?
Newsflash: last I checked nobody forces anybody to shop there.
Tell me, in your mind how should Walmart or any other store be properly "fettered"?
Should they be restricted in the prices they offer? Forced to sell at higher prices? Sounds like a great recipe for success for the poor to me - the government dictating businesses to sell at higher profits?
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@Ivorygate "Newsflash: last I checked nobody forces anybody to shop there."
yeah, nobody is 'forced' to shop there...as long as they can afford their mortgage, bills, kids and everything else on a bullshit salary.
C0ct0pusPrime 1 year ago 8
@C0ct0pusPrime
So now what - you're saying that the only place people on a budget can afford to shop at is Walmart? And that makes Walmart the "evil" enemy of the poor.......how? The problem isn't that anyone is paid a bullshit salary, the problem is that people like you try to sell the notion that ANYONE has the "right" to a high-paying job, no matter what their skills, qualifications, or efforts. It's exactly that pathetic entitlement mentality that is dooming this country, not helping it.
Ivorygate 1 year ago
@C0ct0pusPrime Amen! Most "conservatives" are too wealthy to fathom the plight of the poor (although I doubt they'd care if they could, reveling in their Ayn Rand narcissism), and the poor who consider themselves "conservative" are just too stupid to know better...IMHO of course.
MDCeasar 1 year ago
@C0ct0pusPrime I think you misunderstand Capitalism and even more importantly, the causes of our financial meltdown. Corporations like Wal-Mart have nothing to do with Capitalism. They collude with and are subsidized by government - that's fascism, not capitalism. Just because the shitbags on TV call our current "Corporatism/fascism" capitalism, doesn't make it so. Capitalism means no free hand outs to business. Under REAL free markets, Wal-Mart would have been bankrupt years ago.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
@MoneyIsSilver "Under REAL free markets, Wal-Mart would have been bankrupt years ago."
either that or they'd be the only place left in america to shop...
C0ct0pusPrime 1 year ago 8
@C0ct0pusPrime Not a chance. Monopolies can't survive in a free market system. Monopolies can only survive through government intervention. This has been debated to death on youTube already, and the fact remains that ALL monopolies that have ever existed have been the result of government interference in the market (socialism/fascism, NOT capitalism).
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
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@C0ct0pusPrime they are pretty much the only place left to shop in america i guess we are "Under REAL free markets" lol
arga400 1 year ago 2
@MoneyIsSilver
You are quite right. Many people seem to confuse corporatism with capitalism.
Michael Moore did so in his latest movie, which is extremely unfortunate.
The financial collapse was caused because of lack of free markets. The Fed artificially surpressed interest rates that caused what we know as cheap money to circulate, which of course caused huge mal investment and created a huge bubble, largely in the housing market. Im sure you know that lol im just letting everyone else kno
treysparker 1 year ago
@treysparker People need to be reminded that fiat currency and central banking are planks of the communist manifesto - pretty much the opposite of capitalism. One is centralized control of currency creation in the hands of a few elite, the other (no central banking) is no control and only voluntary interaction.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
@MoneyIsSilver In other words, you don't need a government to force you to accept gold and silver.
MoneyIsSilver 1 year ago
@treysparker "The financial collapse was caused because of lack of free markets."
Really? Then perhaps you'd like to explain why Canada, with its highly regulated banking system, didn't suffer a mortgage meltdown and is recovering from the recession faster than the rest of us.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme
It's because the bank of Canada kept interest rates high.
In fact id go further and say Canada never felt the effects of the 'global' recession because its financial system is so sound. Its not sound because of regulations, its sound because the government stays out of the market. Stephan Harper refused to give Canadians a huge stimulus for example, which was fantastic.
treysparker 1 year ago
@treysparker Actually Canada's huge deficit is a result of Harper pumping stimulus money into the economy. And the Canadian financial system is sound because its banks are very regulated. They didn't engage in the practice of writing risky mortgages then packaging and selling them to the private market as exotic financial instruments; they had to rely on the borrowers repaying them. What a novel idea.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme
I work at TD, believe me, we're not regulated. The crisis had absolutely nothing to do with regulation or lack thereof.
Thats a huge myth that has been pushed on us by people who dont understand how the crisis happened and never saw it coming.
The fed artificially kept interest rates at an all time low, and created a huge economic bubble. The cause was the Fed Reserve / Federal government, the banks taking risks was merely a symptom of the Fed's mistakes.
treysparker 1 year ago
@treysparker
In other words, even if there was more regulation in regards to American banks,
the crisis would have happened anyway! The crisis wasnt just in housing! It had to do with mal investments everywhere! Americas was running a 600 Billion dollar trade deficit, and all the consumption was put on a giant national debt credit card. It all had to do with cheap money provided by the Fed. The market wanted rates to be much higher, but Greenspan / Bernanke refused to raise it.
treysparker 1 year ago
@treysparker So you work at Toronto-Dominion Bank or one of its subsidiaries like TD Ameritrade. I read TD had the sense to get out of the structured products game in 2005; they couldn't see the risk reward, what with the lack of transparency. Smart move. I wonder how those who vilified TD for it feel now?
I also read that TD, like the top 5 Canadian banks, largely abides by banking regulation.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme As for US banks taking risks due to the Fed's mistakes, no one held a gun to their heads. Without regulation or oversight of the instruments they were playing with, they had to rely on themselves to weigh the risk reward just like TD did. Unlike TD they let greed go to their heads and chose to believe the gravy train would keep on rolling. That isn't the Fed's fault.
ismeme 1 year ago
@ismeme
Yeap, but they didnt cause the collapse, their risks were a symptom.
Why do you think interest rates exist in the first place?
Why do you think the fed chairman is responsible for whether rates should be at 1% or 10%?
Theres a reason.
And by the way, banks were always greedy. You think they became greedy just all of a sudden? Is that a joke? lmao
treysparker 1 year ago
@ismeme
All banks are regulated in some form or another, both in Canada and the US.
Canadas economy didnt collapse, but not because of regulations regarding mortgages.
That had absolutely nothing to do with anything.
You're telling me easy mortgages are responsible for 600 Billion dollar trade deficits? lmao. The housing bubble popping was repsonsible for record high unmployment? lmao. You gotta be kidding me.
The federal reserve is solely responsible for the collapse.
treysparker 1 year ago
@treysparker Easy credit in general played a big role. The Fed's low interest rates combined with Bush's push to put more minorities in homes by loosening financial requirements, people being allowed to take out 2nd and 3rd mortgages they couldn't afford, Bush putting two wars and a tax cut for the wealthy on credit, plus all the innovation in financial products that regulation didn't keep up with....It's not difficult to see that more than one factor played into it.
ismeme 1 year ago