Religion produces immorality and evil bc it causes people to attempt to be good as they compete with each other for Gods approval and reward. Religion is a distortion for God only approves of those that admit that they are evil and entrust themselves to God to change them from within. Religious ppl suppress their evil while those that have the SPirit confess their evil as God uses the cleansing of that evil to magnify His grace and power and love.
Like religions, feminism insists, on an omnipotent male conspiracy to keep women oppressed, and thus, justifies the continued avoidance of men's issues debates.
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I think an appropriate response to his beginning statement would be: "Well Mr. Hitchens, since you claim it is so repulsive and revolting for you to throw your own sin on someone else and have them take it. Then you bear it. You rightly take the penalty for your sin and all that it entails. If you are offended that God, whom you have sinned against will take the penalty of your sin into him so as to redeem you, then you bear the burden and consequence of your sin"
Surely Jesus was talking about original sin which belongs to all mankind even babies not individual sin for which he makes abundantly clear the individual must take responsibility.
Child can't get out of the burning house example is just ignorant; how deluded do you have to be to even come up with such extreme example to defend your faith? Which part of that refers to our own morality? Hitchen was talking about 'If you sin'd, then you are to face the responsibility yourself; not push that responsibility to someone else. You are allowing scapegoating - killing virgins to take away sins of entire village was common immoral practice that went around before enlightment.
His point on Jesus dying for us and taking our sins , does not take our responsibility from us. this point shows me all i need to see because if he lies here on this issue , he will lie on more. If your father saves you from a burning house , hes not being immoral but saving that which he loves. Hitchens is saying if his child cant get out the burning house then his child should take responsibility and die. He was truly blind! Now hes in a burning house!
@paleface8 Bad house burning example pal! Makes no sense! How about you as a child killed another child, told your dad, and your father forgives you, because he loves you and does not want to see you in jail. See?.... Makes no sense and illogical for you to pass the blame and be forgiven by someone other than the victim or relative...
To forgive a man without demanding a change in their conduct is making the grace of God an accomplice to evil- John Hagee (ref. John 8:11- Jesus saving woman from being stoned by religious people)
@MickyG4444 "what other option is there beside than god" wtf did you mean by that? Believing in "Jesus" as you believe in a person that really exist or existed is just nonsense. I've waisted enough time already replying your posts, so i'll just leave it at that
Love the Hitch and don't believe in god and don't like organized religion. That said to hold contempt for Jesus is to hold contempt for love. I think Hitch's take on Jesus's forgiveness is oversimplified. Forgiveness in the bible as written and as I've experienced it is that you cannot love others unless you love yourself, and so in order to become a better person you must start by forgiving yourself of your sins. I think "Jesus" was trying to get people to start clean and get a 2nd chance.
@lewisner This is why you guys always lose, some one says something nice about you and you can't just take that inch, you want the whole mile, but it's a mile that shreds all principles of honesty and logic and leads to a life of Delusion. Jesus is one of many great poets if he in fact he is historically real. Which great human said this "When the power of love knows the love of power the world will finally know peace." Great people are all around us. There's one right there top of the page.
@MickyG4444 said "This is why you guys always lose" Which guys? You said you don't believe in god so you must be an atheist? Unless you believe in some other myth?
I gave you a quote from jesus where he told his followers to bring unbelievers and kill them in front of him. Are those the words of an admirable person.
@TomFynn Claiming uncertainty of the reality of any figure born over a millenium ago before any form of reliable records is quite reasonable. I worry little about facts because my opinions come from them not the other way around. It is the devout religious who need the facts to fit their ludicrous assumptions, and that is why their rigid belief structures struggle to find any respectable standing what so ever in the academic world.
@MickyG4444 Of course you need to sort out your problems to be able to feel better about yourself and other people. That doesn´t mean it´s a good idea to look for solutions in some ancient book with weird stories in it.. We do have psychologists, and there are fun, non religious / non bullshit, social activities out there for you to explore and enjoy. Science has given us so much knowledge, about who we are and what the world is, that religion must be considered inferior to our human intellect.
@ejex2xx Neither science nor psych provide everything you need to live. Living is hard, people are difficult, sometimes life piles it on and sometimes you come crashing down for no reason at all. This brings me to something whose power I know because it is through it more than anything else that I have been able to grow and find strength and resilience, I am speaking of art. Music, film, and of course words of beauty and wisdom. The gospels qualify, the thing is, so does a lot of other stuff.
@MickyG4444 And I am quite certain that none of it comes from God, it comes from humans and thank goodness(What other option is there beside thank god?) for that. How else could I relate to it, the way others express their human experience provides options, provokes questions and ideas, and sometimes most importantly let's me know the feelings I have inside are not unique to me. The bible does this on some level, but it is not where I turn to. I like Bukowski and Hendrix, but hey that's me.
@ejex2xx I don't believe in God you fucking twat. How did you get that impression from what I wrote. I believe in Jesus the same way I believe in John Lennon, Bill Hicks, or Steven Fry or Hitchens for that matter. And that Hendrix quote was supposed to be "When the power of love OVERCOMES the love of power the world will finally know peace." I don't know why I wrote KNOWS instead.
Christianity, it is well to remember, is a dark, bloody religion fixated on the afterlife because it is, at its core, a death cult that showcases a human sacrifice as its central theme.
You don't need your morals to come from any religious source. You can reason them out for yourself if you are intelligent enough. Dawkins talked on this as well.
@nachtfree, I'm sorry but that's simply not true. And first of all I was never arguing or addressing the whole video. In fact are you sure you watched the video? Hitchens is making a theological complaint which I gave a true and direct response. Have a nice day.
@nachtfee957, no sir. According to you, your mom and dad were immoral for feeding you. If a creator is capable of saving us from eternal death, and the cost is something beyond our ability to pay, but within His ability, and He does so voluntarily, that is simply called a loving gift. And not immoral. What you sense is only your shame in having someone pay your ransom. And yes, some shame is appropriate. But it is only your pride to reject the gift as immoral.
@nachtfee957 Yikes, well you claim I sound like I don't understand something and imply that you understand better. Please, feel free to elaborate. Otherwise, why must you try to discredit me - can't you just say you disagree with my view?
@cmottes Your arguments don't address any of the points brought up in the video. That is why I say that. Actually respond to the arguments presented rather than just saying what basically amounts to "Jeeeezus did it because he loooooves us and we're so worthless we can't do it ourselves." Even if I accepted your statements as truth (which I don't) that would have zero bearing on the arguments in the video.
He's reaping the rewards of paying for his own sins now. He had a chance to let someone, God in the flesh, voluntarily take the punishment for him, but he refused. Sad.
Mankind are mainly animals with the ability to contemplate. Religion arose from the need for order within the group. It is religion that sets the moral tone for that group. Christianity simply takes religion to a higher level, to the level of the individual. We are the way we are morally because of religion.It makes no difference whether you are religious or your parents or your grandparents, the moral tone was set at one time or another and passed down to you.
The bible is largely an allegory. It is not to be taken in a literal sense. Hitchens makes the same mistake as most other critics. If he knew the true meaning of the new testament scriptures he wouldnt be putting forth these ridiculous arguments against it.That is why it states in the bible ``Let he who readeth understand.`` Hitchens and many others simply do not understand.
@librazone Funny that sounds awfully close to the words of a con man, you cant take what I say for what it means literally.
Why you do not have the magic Christian decoder ring, here let the priests tell you my will whom we desire you to rob pillage torture mistreat rape and destroy from the earth.
Sound familiar crack a history book and so I think Hitchins understood degenerates and hits the nail on the head over and over.
Judge A Tree By Its Fruits am I being to literal there ?
RIP, Mr. Hitchens. Thanks for reiterating what I've been saying for years: that people "forgive" themselves via the religious figure without once consulting those who have been harmed by them. How unbelievably selfish and delusional.
@chaoszieg, and not that it needs examples, but obvious ones to show your assertion is false, a person can post bail if you are in jail, obviously not immoral. Another can pay a fine or debt you can't. Not immoral. Perhaps your atheism blinds you too for you don't seem to see that you claim to be making a theological complaint. This is God you're claiming is immoral. Well duh of course He can decide He's judge.
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@chaoszieg, Yes, Jesus laid down His life and took it up again. It was for us. He did not need to do it to gain for He was already God's Son. And yes, it does restore responsibility by taking responsibility for one's fault, doing penance even restitution and changing one's ways. No, it is a loving gift, nothing immoral about that.
I applaud how well Christopher Hitchens knows the bible and indeed hope he finds God now in his illness. How strangely, strangely odd though that he could think about and know Jesus taking on other's sins and yet seem to miss utterly that this is done voluntarily. Jesus chose to lay down His life for others. And no, the opposite of removing responsibility. It restores responsibility. It merely removes crushing punishment and gives new freedom to be responsible.
@cmottes The fact that is was voluntary doesn't change it's immoral status; it simply makes it slightly less barbaric. It's still wrong to let another person suffer for the sake of your sins.
@nachtfee957 PS sorry when I responded earlier it was from where I don't see people's icon/avatar by the messages in the inbox. Now on a laptop and see you're not a "sir" so my apologies for that.
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Out grow the nonsense of christianity, Ah, there you see folks this is our problem. If it weren't for
Christianity we would be in a better world safe from derivatives, oligarchy and wars of conquest. A good ol' Brit justifying pederasty of all sorts like his closet hero Jeremy.Bentham. Tell us Mr. Hitchens, do you work for MI6 or MI5 or both.
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Of course I've read the old testament. That's how I know how awful it is. And yes, first I read, then I thought and analyzed, and then I criticize. The Qu'ran is just as awful and absurd as the Bible, it's just more coherent.
Treat others how you would like to be treated! -JESUS
Let me tell ya, real revolting guy that Jesus was huh? He talks like the death of Jesus was a priestly offering to God. Pure ignorance, how Jesus died was because of man, plain and simple.
For a person to forgive the transgressions of another when said person was not involved in any way shape or form is like being with a woman, finding out that years before he met her, she had slept with other men, then saying that you forgive her for it.
Arrogant, rude, intrusive, self-serving positions like that should be dismissed outright.
@BokuwaFdesu Right on. And taking those people taking that position as though they have committed no wrongs. No, forgiving yourself & those who have truly transgressed against you is not for them but is for yourself; for you freedom of any hostility you may hold towards others or any burden you hold on your own shoulders. 'Forgive, and you shall be forgiven' is not about eternal salvation, but rather earthly redemption, so that you might be freed of any 'weight' holding you back from your life.
@BokuwaFdesu As an atheist I don't believe in the teachings of the theology, but there are interesting lessons that can be taken from certain stories & quotes, such as this one: "The kingdom of god/heaven is within." Now this isn't about a physical place, but rather being at peace & harmony with in the mind. For if a physical heaven exists, surely you must go there first in mind before you could ever go there in the afterlife. It's about thinking rightly, so that you may behave accordingly.
@allfitch84 That highly reminds me of certain aspects of Buddhism(without the reincarnation of course). I think of myself as a Taoist Atheist, which is kinda like saying "I'm a feline cat".
I like to see myself like a bit of a secular philosopher, taking many concepts and ideas and creating a comprehensive view out of them. I mostly lead to the non-mystical sort of Taoism though.
And thank you for responding. I tend get rather nasty comments on these kind of videos so I was a bit worried.
@JesusChristisMuslim The Old Testament, the Quran, they are all immaterial to the main question:
Do(es) a god or gods exist?
Before you go around trying to argue which version of whose god is the God of the Abrahamic religions, you first have to establish a valid existence claim.
@JesusChristisMuslim haha, your quran is just the next step of Abrahamic theology, it is the evolved version of the christianity you're attacking you fuckwit. The qu'rap is just as bereft of knowledge, wisdom and truth as every other fairy tale on the planet, so what makes you lie and say that the quran contains no contradictions? it is rife with contradictions to itself and science...
we're done with your STUPID religion, and only an IMBECILE could believe in such camel shit...
@hempartist420 Shut up yourself fuckwit. Look to your guy Hitchens. Look hard at how much he respects Lewis here, juust as Nietzsche's Zarathustra respected only the religious hermit in the woods while coming to radically different conclusions himself (well maybe not *just* like that). Hitchens is an intellectual with balls who tries never to say a word he can't back up. You throw words like 'fairy-tale," "stupid," and "imbecile," with nothing but cute suburban angst underneath.
@hempartist420 So, I'm not responsible for you comprehending a clear statement if it's formulated right the first time. Against my better judgment though: Hitchens qualifies every statement he makes. Here he's specific, to the point, secure enough to give respect that's due, confident enough to go for the kill. You toss around words like stupid an imbecile like saying it makes it true. You're a small asshole, crudely aping his conclusions, lacking patience for his thought process.
@Grey000 lol, for some reason you think that you've made a coherent statement or argument against me, your only problem seems to be is that I'm not exactly like Christopher Hitchens. you are simply a stupid, annoying twat and should fuck of as soon as possible.
@hempartist420 Brilliant. "Oh you're so stupid fuck off" is a brilliant example of your erudition, clarity of thinking, and skill at cutting to the heart of a topic. Respectively that would mean you don't read, don't think, and are too much of a pussy to engage the issue. If that to you is a trivial difference with Hitchens then you've gravely insulted a man who just died. You wish you were that smart so you could bully people, but you aren't so you bully people as an idiot.
@hempartist420 Well I'm sorry if this wasn't as fun for you as it was for me. You know, the real secret to enjoying yourself anywhere is knowing how to keep yourself entertained—without other people. Why not go fuck yourself with a garden tool at least until you can be more inventive than "faggot?" Peace, bro.
Regardless of whether the Quran has contradictions, there's no reason to believe the contents of the book are true. The Quran reads like the ravings of a homicidal maniac, and has thus inspired many a homicidal maniac, from the senile thug Khomeini who order the murder of a novelist, to the hopelessly sexually repressed Mohammed Atta, who incinerated himself and thousands of people he never met.
@JesusChristisMuslim Chirstopher Hitchens' atheism stems from his experience with all Religions. It doesn't stem from double-standards but from issues of morality, fanatism, logic, science, philosophy, religious practices, religious people/minds, religious indoctrination, intolerance, religious claims, scepticism.
@Comala666 That's an example of the way authority, especially religion, assists people to behave like monsters. Just say x is God's will and watch people flock to comply. Perfectly normal people gassed Jews in Nazi Germany and normal people blow themselves and kill civilians today - divine mandate (Hitler was a cult in himself) circumvents responsibility: that's psychology for you. People need to be taught to think: neither dictators or religions like teaching critical thinking.
@random007nadir I meant blow them selves up, not blow themselves. That lends an altogether inappropriate tone to my argument. Thankyou, modern English slang and thankyou unnoticed typographical errors.
2 Learn what schizophrenia is. Even if you don't believe what he taught that is an incorrect description.
3 Jesus philosophy is freedom. Just because men who disregard the teachings of Jesus try to oppress and control other men doesn't change the truth that Jesus taught.
Jesus said worship God. He said equality with God isn't possible. He came to teach the way for us to follow. Decide for yourself-read the New Testament. Don't listen to what someone else says
@jrmaximus So i get to go heaven even if i cant make my self belive that jesus was real? allso, jesus clearly states that you have to submit. or else he will be taking you trough the winepress of sinners. its jesus doint the punishing in there. and he is punishing only those who dong belive in for simply not beliving in him. its YOU who have not read the new testament. i have read the hole bible. i have allso read koran, bagadah githa. its you who only listens what others say.
@gethsoftware My last point was not meant to accuse but clarify my position that each person needs to work out for themselves what is true. If there is a creator you have to work that out between you and that creator. No one can think for you. No one can think for me.
You do claim things that are in error so I only assume you have received that understanding from someone else who has told you that's what is meant. If there is a God will you go to heaven-not for me to say.
@jrmaximus I disagree. Truth is universal, singular and independent of individualised perception . To think that we each have a personalised custom made connection with the greater universe or God ( or gods/spirits/djinn/animistic forces/etc) that suits us individually is arrogant egocentric solipsism. Truth doesn't change to suit us on an individual basis. It's there and we're just incidental observers. That, and (regrettably) very easily deluded romantic wishful thinkers.
@random007nadir I agree with you completely on truth. I think you are reading into what I said.
Each of us has the responsibility to ourselves to seek the truth-not think someone else is better situated to expound the truth to us and thus blindly follow them.
Different people see different parts of the whole truth but no one can claim to know the whole truth. It is necessary both for theist and atheists to try to put the pieces together themselves to help give better understanding to the whole.
@jrmaximus "Learn what schizophrenia is. Even if you don't believe what he taught, that is an incorrect description" Right. Jesus wasn't homeless and he didn't suggest that he was God, as Schitzos do. "Jesus philosophy is freedom; men who disregard the teachings of Jesus oppress and control" Right. Its not controlling to proclaim that anyone who doesn't convert will go to hell. "Jesus said 'worship God'" Right. Joh 5:23 "honor the Son just as you honor the Father" isn't worship. Your a nut.
@truthbknwn (Mat 10:34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
(Mat 10:35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
(Mat 10:36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
(Mat 10:37) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
@jrmaximus oh please. Says the man who is part of Cult of Personality. You are like battered wife who still thinks that his violent parent is good man. Read the bible, read the hole thing, not just the nice things. And dont make excuses. read the koran, allso. and read the bagadah gita, its damn good compared to bible. And think it really for moment. its the bible it self that made us reject religion. not what someone else said. i cant belive how blind one can be to evil.
@gethsoftware There are things I know are true from my own experience. There are things I question despite you believing you know me at all through some amazing insight.
I question the Old Testament in areas like Israel saying God tells them to destroy other nations of people etc.. It is their history not mine. I do know Jesus taught peace not hatred and his teaching is considered good even by Muslims as I understand. Religion is a nieve attempt to explain our reality. Reality is much deeper.
This man pollute the word of God with his foolish subjective opinions that produce no evidence for his claims concerning Christ when there is tons of manuscript that suggest not only did Christ exist but eye witnesses accounts of his miraculous existence. Atheism is nothing more than a ploy from Satan to prevent creation from believing in the Creator. History records various intelligentsia's who have attempted to silence the gospel, only to die trying as Hitchens is about to do.
@Mschocolalicious Two thousand year old eyewitness accounts, from illiterate Bronze Age people, are not exactly to be trusted. Even if there was a deluded rabbi wandering about the Middle East at that time, it does not make any of his claims true.
Look, there is no evidence for any kind of deity whatsoever. Science and reason have explained so much now that there is no need for one to explain anything anymore. Religion is an outdated social construct with no relevance to modern society.
@Sauron012 yes, we always think like this "its just bull shit, it is sooo evident" , and we figure this is enough , suddenly, this groups grow in unsuspected disproportion thanks to the lack of importance we give to this matter.
Boy, it goes to show you that 99.9% of these intellectual atheist have no idea what they are talking about as it relates to the relationship of Christ Jesus and mankind. This video was a complete waste of time for me! But I did have a good laugh as to how far off this guy is in his understanding, as well as what he is willing to say to try and make a point.
@rmaynard626 its about an affair with a ghost. yes i know what this is, you are having a deep romance with a ghost. You are in love with god, is jesus in love with you? well you feel his love so it must be. isnt it? is not about Jesus existence, is about Jesus love to you. the second is hard to prove. How can one probe a rock does not have dreams?
@rmaynard626 you are in love with you leader. like people did with Mao in China and like people do in north korea with is son-of-god-president.
But from this perspective i have to say:
Yor lider is a vampire, you let it bite to you , you become perfect immortal like him (otherwise you are a dirty mortal) , you wait until is resurection , and you want a world ruled by vampires.
@hoogys I say the opposite. The good thing is that the teachings of modern, reformed, progressive Christianity is thankfully fairly far removed from the teachings of Christ and the Bible. Unfortunately there are always the fundamentalists who want to take us back to the dark ages and take Biblical nonsense literally.
@tangelorajan what fundamentalists preach as well as mainstream christianity teaches is not what is in the bible. here Hitchens is railing agasint "atonement by sacrifice" which is opposed in the bible. but most of mankind doesnt know that cuz fundamentalists are not telling you the truth.
@PacmanBonez - you said "how ironic that he came down w/ throat cancer..."
Irony -
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
Please explain how it is ironic that Hitchens has throat cancer?
Christ said he came for the sick and not the well. Since Hutchings and his followers are all well they should have no problem continuing on their own merry way.
@k1ngkoo0pa I believe as a follower of Crhist that He has healed me of many, many physical infirmities. I am still sorry to read of this man's circumstance. Thanks.
In the first sentence you used "well" to mean healthy, as opposed to "sick". I'm sure you can see why I thought the "well" in the next sentence would mean the same thing, since you were connecting the two...
Hitchens, ' God is not great' is one of my favourite books. For similar great thoughts try Dan Barker, John W. Loftus, Robert M Price, Valerie Tarico, Victor Stenger, Bart Ehrman, Ken Humphreys, Richard Carrier, Ken Pulliam, Keith Parsons, Gary Greenberg, Robert Ingersoll, Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, Earl Doherty, Israel Finkelstein, Daniel Dennett, C Dennis Mckinsey
Christianity is at least 1% moral. There's some good to it.
Prefixing the Christian bible with the Hebrew scriptures (Council of Nicaea) doesn't seem wise; the Old Testament is a testament to immoral actions and edicts. The NT is not that much better.
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@gekritzl --We should love Jesus more than our relatives because Jesus is God the Son; The "beating with many stripes" is actually about the punishment given out at the Secong Coming; And im not sure why Jesus is quoting the Law Of Moses concerning rebelious children, but im sure he's not really "telling" them to kill children; Consider the woman caught in adultery and how that episode ended. Jesus came to set us free from the Law.
@VictoryInJesus454 - So, the actual words Jesus says (when inconvenient to your cause) don't actually mean that, but mean something totally different. Okay, great. I claim that when he said "love your enemies" he meant to have sex with men of other tribes.
Second coming?? That was supposed to be 2000 years ago, within "a generation" as Jesus said!
"Jesus came to set us free from the Law."??? What about Mt 5:17? -- Think not that I am come to destroy the law... but to fulfil.
@geneolune Naw, not really. Only on rare occasions. Only when I have spaghetti. Or lasagna. Or noodle soup. Or köttbullar. Or... all hail his noodly Goodness.
ok so you don't actually watch the fucking videos, you just come here to spew the lies your religion tells you to have to spew. Fine. Explain how the slavery that jesus promotes is 100% moral. Society has rejected slavery, so is secular society not more moral than your shitty bibble? I think ti is, I think I am far more moral than you and your 'god' and I can prove it since I don't own any slaves.
you own no slaves???? Then you are not a TRUE christian, you have to follow all the words of god to be a TRUE chtristian. When you get some slaves and sell your children as property, then get back to us.
Please remember that the "Satan" plays the role of ultimate scapegoat. He is required by "The Creator" to accept the blame for ALL EVIL and loaded down with all that blame, jump into a bottomless pit ! If this is not martyrdom what is ? ? ?
Hitchens is taking Lewis way out of context. The book he is quoting is titled Mere Christianity and was not intended to be a defense of the Bible or God but the validity of Jesus. It was written presupposing that there is a god, as he clearly explains through the earlier chapters of the book when he explains the 'moral law' as evidence of a creator.
In other words, if there is a 'god', even in the most deistic sense, then we may be forced to concluded that Jesus was God.
@knowwaie You cannot see that judging an argument on an alleged negative property of the person making it and calling someone retarded in a discussion are not one and the same? And yet you keep on doubting the intelligence of other people? Sorry, I don't speak delusion.
@TomFynn Where are you misunderstanding?... I'm trying to help you but it's as if you don't want it.
You were defining ad hominem as insult, were you not? I've been explaining to you in every way possible that ad hominem does not mean insult. It may imply insult... In fact you don't even have an understanding of the word insult. Insults are not given they are taken. There are no 'insults' until someone is insulted.
Just take my word, you don't understand. You're not thinking properly.
Again, you're missing the point and still wrong at every turn. If you are insulted it says something about you, not my use of the word. I'm not being 'mean' or 'offensive'. I'm saying there is something wrong with your thinking and i'm proving it as we speak. This is much less offensive than telling you the truth that we're dealing with a deliberate psychosis of self deceit. And i'm not just saying it about you. It's the general characteristic of every human. You're selfish to be insulted.
I appreciate that you answered my question but i don't think you understood my comment. You're also making my point. This is more telling of Hitchens character. Instead of saying he doesn't agree with capital punishment he says he would never take that punishment for someone else. So... Hitchens is saying that a person who dies for another is wrong because he himself wouldn't do it.
@knowwaie He said specifically, and I quote "I could serve your sentence in prison if I was brave enough." What does that have to to with capital punishment?
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Religion produces immorality and evil bc it causes people to attempt to be good as they compete with each other for Gods approval and reward. Religion is a distortion for God only approves of those that admit that they are evil and entrust themselves to God to change them from within. Religious ppl suppress their evil while those that have the SPirit confess their evil as God uses the cleansing of that evil to magnify His grace and power and love.
j919or 3 days ago
Like religions, feminism insists, on an omnipotent male conspiracy to keep women oppressed, and thus, justifies the continued avoidance of men's issues debates.
I am suing the largest of Europe's several hundred gender studies departments, at LSE, for sex discrimination, and ask all atheists to watch my video here, called Tom Martin sues LSE... then read the press, listen to the interviews and donate to the legal fighting fund at sexismbusters. Enjoy!
sexismBusters 3 days ago
I think an appropriate response to his beginning statement would be: "Well Mr. Hitchens, since you claim it is so repulsive and revolting for you to throw your own sin on someone else and have them take it. Then you bear it. You rightly take the penalty for your sin and all that it entails. If you are offended that God, whom you have sinned against will take the penalty of your sin into him so as to redeem you, then you bear the burden and consequence of your sin"
AAC1990 5 days ago
Surely Jesus was talking about original sin which belongs to all mankind even babies not individual sin for which he makes abundantly clear the individual must take responsibility.
I am not taking sides in this matter
tincoffin 1 week ago
Jesus sacrificed himself to absolve humanities sins? I could do that.
Indeed, everyday people are dying after suffering worse fates.
If I got crucified, would that make me god too?
SandyK2947 2 weeks ago 3
Child can't get out of the burning house example is just ignorant; how deluded do you have to be to even come up with such extreme example to defend your faith? Which part of that refers to our own morality? Hitchen was talking about 'If you sin'd, then you are to face the responsibility yourself; not push that responsibility to someone else. You are allowing scapegoating - killing virgins to take away sins of entire village was common immoral practice that went around before enlightment.
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His point on Jesus dying for us and taking our sins , does not take our responsibility from us. this point shows me all i need to see because if he lies here on this issue , he will lie on more. If your father saves you from a burning house , hes not being immoral but saving that which he loves. Hitchens is saying if his child cant get out the burning house then his child should take responsibility and die. He was truly blind! Now hes in a burning house!
paleface8 2 weeks ago
@paleface8 Bad house burning example pal! Makes no sense! How about you as a child killed another child, told your dad, and your father forgives you, because he loves you and does not want to see you in jail. See?.... Makes no sense and illogical for you to pass the blame and be forgiven by someone other than the victim or relative...
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To forgive a man without demanding a change in their conduct is making the grace of God an accomplice to evil- John Hagee (ref. John 8:11- Jesus saving woman from being stoned by religious people)
Hank8841 2 weeks ago
The heart of man wants to be independent because he wants to know that he can handle things.
Hank8841 2 weeks ago
atheists for tebow dot com
pitbull103 2 weeks ago
Love the Hitch.
pitbull103 2 weeks ago 3
"Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine. My sins are my own, they belong to me." - Patti Smith
blazak 2 weeks ago
Sounds lot like Nietzsche!
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@MickyG4444 "what other option is there beside than god" wtf did you mean by that? Believing in "Jesus" as you believe in a person that really exist or existed is just nonsense. I've waisted enough time already replying your posts, so i'll just leave it at that
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ejex2xx 3 weeks ago
Love the Hitch and don't believe in god and don't like organized religion. That said to hold contempt for Jesus is to hold contempt for love. I think Hitch's take on Jesus's forgiveness is oversimplified. Forgiveness in the bible as written and as I've experienced it is that you cannot love others unless you love yourself, and so in order to become a better person you must start by forgiving yourself of your sins. I think "Jesus" was trying to get people to start clean and get a 2nd chance.
MickyG4444 3 weeks ago
@MickyG4444 Which bible character said this?
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Luke 19:27
lewisner 3 weeks ago
@lewisner This is why you guys always lose, some one says something nice about you and you can't just take that inch, you want the whole mile, but it's a mile that shreds all principles of honesty and logic and leads to a life of Delusion. Jesus is one of many great poets if he in fact he is historically real. Which great human said this "When the power of love knows the love of power the world will finally know peace." Great people are all around us. There's one right there top of the page.
MickyG4444 3 weeks ago
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@MickyG4444 said "This is why you guys always lose" Which guys? You said you don't believe in god so you must be an atheist? Unless you believe in some other myth?
I gave you a quote from jesus where he told his followers to bring unbelievers and kill them in front of him. Are those the words of an admirable person.
lewisner 3 weeks ago
@MickyG4444 "Jesus is one of many great poets if he in fact he is historically real." You would not know what fact is, if it bit you in the ass.
TomFynn 3 weeks ago 2
@TomFynn Claiming uncertainty of the reality of any figure born over a millenium ago before any form of reliable records is quite reasonable. I worry little about facts because my opinions come from them not the other way around. It is the devout religious who need the facts to fit their ludicrous assumptions, and that is why their rigid belief structures struggle to find any respectable standing what so ever in the academic world.
MickyG4444 3 weeks ago
@MickyG4444 Of course you need to sort out your problems to be able to feel better about yourself and other people. That doesn´t mean it´s a good idea to look for solutions in some ancient book with weird stories in it.. We do have psychologists, and there are fun, non religious / non bullshit, social activities out there for you to explore and enjoy. Science has given us so much knowledge, about who we are and what the world is, that religion must be considered inferior to our human intellect.
ejex2xx 3 weeks ago
@ejex2xx Neither science nor psych provide everything you need to live. Living is hard, people are difficult, sometimes life piles it on and sometimes you come crashing down for no reason at all. This brings me to something whose power I know because it is through it more than anything else that I have been able to grow and find strength and resilience, I am speaking of art. Music, film, and of course words of beauty and wisdom. The gospels qualify, the thing is, so does a lot of other stuff.
MickyG4444 3 weeks ago
@MickyG4444 And I am quite certain that none of it comes from God, it comes from humans and thank goodness(What other option is there beside thank god?) for that. How else could I relate to it, the way others express their human experience provides options, provokes questions and ideas, and sometimes most importantly let's me know the feelings I have inside are not unique to me. The bible does this on some level, but it is not where I turn to. I like Bukowski and Hendrix, but hey that's me.
MickyG4444 3 weeks ago
@MickyG4444 So you do not believe in the stories you find in the Bible but you believe in God and Jesus?
ejex2xx 3 weeks ago
@ejex2xx I don't believe in God you fucking twat. How did you get that impression from what I wrote. I believe in Jesus the same way I believe in John Lennon, Bill Hicks, or Steven Fry or Hitchens for that matter. And that Hendrix quote was supposed to be "When the power of love OVERCOMES the love of power the world will finally know peace." I don't know why I wrote KNOWS instead.
MickyG4444 3 weeks ago
GAME-SET-HITCH
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Christianity, it is well to remember, is a dark, bloody religion fixated on the afterlife because it is, at its core, a death cult that showcases a human sacrifice as its central theme.
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how can hitchens say the word immoral? where do his morals come from? who is he to say what is moral or immoral?
timothycayem 1 month ago
@timothycayem He covers that in another video. /watch?v=KaGqVbAzjng
Nathanroqs 1 month ago
@timothycayem If you took the trouble to listen to what he says you wouldn't have to ask the question.
mikelheron20 4 weeks ago 2
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You don't need your morals to come from any religious source. You can reason them out for yourself if you are intelligent enough. Dawkins talked on this as well.
BlackPanteraSociety 3 weeks ago 3
merry hitchmas everybody
qvnsq101 1 month ago 16
@nachtfree, I'm sorry but that's simply not true. And first of all I was never arguing or addressing the whole video. In fact are you sure you watched the video? Hitchens is making a theological complaint which I gave a true and direct response. Have a nice day.
cmottes 1 month ago
@nachtfee957, no sir. According to you, your mom and dad were immoral for feeding you. If a creator is capable of saving us from eternal death, and the cost is something beyond our ability to pay, but within His ability, and He does so voluntarily, that is simply called a loving gift. And not immoral. What you sense is only your shame in having someone pay your ransom. And yes, some shame is appropriate. But it is only your pride to reject the gift as immoral.
cmottes 1 month ago
@cmottes You're sounding more and more as if you didn't even watch the video you're commenting on.
nachtfee957 1 month ago 3
@nachtfee957 Yikes, well you claim I sound like I don't understand something and imply that you understand better. Please, feel free to elaborate. Otherwise, why must you try to discredit me - can't you just say you disagree with my view?
cmottes 1 month ago
@cmottes Your arguments don't address any of the points brought up in the video. That is why I say that. Actually respond to the arguments presented rather than just saying what basically amounts to "Jeeeezus did it because he loooooves us and we're so worthless we can't do it ourselves." Even if I accepted your statements as truth (which I don't) that would have zero bearing on the arguments in the video.
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STEPASAUR 1 month ago
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He's reaping the rewards of paying for his own sins now. He had a chance to let someone, God in the flesh, voluntarily take the punishment for him, but he refused. Sad.
filoIII 1 month ago
@filoIII Did you listen to a word of this video?
nachtfee957 1 month ago
@filoIII No hes at peace now and you suck loser !
selenadelos 1 month ago
@filoIII How do you know that? You don't, so shut up.
beatonm198 4 weeks ago
Rest in peace you wildly brilliant bastard!
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Mankind are mainly animals with the ability to contemplate. Religion arose from the need for order within the group. It is religion that sets the moral tone for that group. Christianity simply takes religion to a higher level, to the level of the individual. We are the way we are morally because of religion.It makes no difference whether you are religious or your parents or your grandparents, the moral tone was set at one time or another and passed down to you.
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Hitchens liked to state that humans had decency before religion. I havent seen too much decency arising from an alcoholic mind such as his.
librazone 1 month ago
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The bible is largely an allegory. It is not to be taken in a literal sense. Hitchens makes the same mistake as most other critics. If he knew the true meaning of the new testament scriptures he wouldnt be putting forth these ridiculous arguments against it.That is why it states in the bible ``Let he who readeth understand.`` Hitchens and many others simply do not understand.
librazone 1 month ago
@librazone Funny that sounds awfully close to the words of a con man, you cant take what I say for what it means literally.
Why you do not have the magic Christian decoder ring, here let the priests tell you my will whom we desire you to rob pillage torture mistreat rape and destroy from the earth.
Sound familiar crack a history book and so I think Hitchins understood degenerates and hits the nail on the head over and over.
Judge A Tree By Its Fruits am I being to literal there ?
selenadelos 1 month ago
RIP, Mr. Hitchens. Thanks for reiterating what I've been saying for years: that people "forgive" themselves via the religious figure without once consulting those who have been harmed by them. How unbelievably selfish and delusional.
LHenn516 1 month ago 19
@LHenn516 Sadly, the only peace he'll ever know, was here on the earth. What he would not understand, he now knows.
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Rest in peace Christopher... You'll be missed, but remembered as one of the greatest minds of our time!
kick2004 1 month ago
@kick2004 Funny, your post was flagged as spam. Fortunately, I can still see it. Guess you hit a nerve on somebody.
LHenn516 1 month ago
@chaoszieg, and not that it needs examples, but obvious ones to show your assertion is false, a person can post bail if you are in jail, obviously not immoral. Another can pay a fine or debt you can't. Not immoral. Perhaps your atheism blinds you too for you don't seem to see that you claim to be making a theological complaint. This is God you're claiming is immoral. Well duh of course He can decide He's judge.
cmottes 1 month ago
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@chaoszieg, Yes, Jesus laid down His life and took it up again. It was for us. He did not need to do it to gain for He was already God's Son. And yes, it does restore responsibility by taking responsibility for one's fault, doing penance even restitution and changing one's ways. No, it is a loving gift, nothing immoral about that.
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I applaud how well Christopher Hitchens knows the bible and indeed hope he finds God now in his illness. How strangely, strangely odd though that he could think about and know Jesus taking on other's sins and yet seem to miss utterly that this is done voluntarily. Jesus chose to lay down His life for others. And no, the opposite of removing responsibility. It restores responsibility. It merely removes crushing punishment and gives new freedom to be responsible.
cmottes 1 month ago
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Except jesus didnt lay down his life, he came back to life, and became "ruler of earth" what a sacrifice.
It also does not "restore responsibility" you don't take responsibility by saying "Sorry Jesus, there all better."
Voluntary or not, someone offering to take your sins on themselves, or you agreeing to that offer, is immoral.
chaoszieg 1 month ago 6
@cmottes The fact that is was voluntary doesn't change it's immoral status; it simply makes it slightly less barbaric. It's still wrong to let another person suffer for the sake of your sins.
nachtfee957 1 month ago
@nachtfee957 PS sorry when I responded earlier it was from where I don't see people's icon/avatar by the messages in the inbox. Now on a laptop and see you're not a "sir" so my apologies for that.
cmottes 1 month ago
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Out grow the nonsense of christianity, Ah, there you see folks this is our problem. If it weren't for
Christianity we would be in a better world safe from derivatives, oligarchy and wars of conquest. A good ol' Brit justifying pederasty of all sorts like his closet hero Jeremy.Bentham. Tell us Mr. Hitchens, do you work for MI6 or MI5 or both.
ILIAD9 1 month ago
Is it religion? I thought it is ignorance, fanatism, intolerance and narrow mindedness, manipulations of words from humans too.
M3DUSA1 2 months ago
@M3DUSA1 Ignorance, intolerance, narrow mindedness and the manipulation of words are the tools and trade of religion. So yes, it is religion.
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bortelliM 2 months ago
@JesusChristisMuslim mmmm BABY back ribs!
dkthg 2 months ago
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Christianity is very moral; just google "The Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy".
Archangel866 2 months ago
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Of course I've read the old testament. That's how I know how awful it is. And yes, first I read, then I thought and analyzed, and then I criticize. The Qu'ran is just as awful and absurd as the Bible, it's just more coherent.
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Love your enemies! -JESUS
Ask and you shall receive! -JESUS
Love God with all your heart! -JESUS
Do not worry about tomorrow! -JESUS
Believe in me and you will be saved! -JESUS
Treat others how you would like to be treated! -JESUS
Let me tell ya, real revolting guy that Jesus was huh? He talks like the death of Jesus was a priestly offering to God. Pure ignorance, how Jesus died was because of man, plain and simple.
KesslersCross 2 months ago
For a person to forgive the transgressions of another when said person was not involved in any way shape or form is like being with a woman, finding out that years before he met her, she had slept with other men, then saying that you forgive her for it.
Arrogant, rude, intrusive, self-serving positions like that should be dismissed outright.
BokuwaFdesu 3 months ago
@BokuwaFdesu Right on. And taking those people taking that position as though they have committed no wrongs. No, forgiving yourself & those who have truly transgressed against you is not for them but is for yourself; for you freedom of any hostility you may hold towards others or any burden you hold on your own shoulders. 'Forgive, and you shall be forgiven' is not about eternal salvation, but rather earthly redemption, so that you might be freed of any 'weight' holding you back from your life.
allfitch84 2 months ago
@BokuwaFdesu As an atheist I don't believe in the teachings of the theology, but there are interesting lessons that can be taken from certain stories & quotes, such as this one: "The kingdom of god/heaven is within." Now this isn't about a physical place, but rather being at peace & harmony with in the mind. For if a physical heaven exists, surely you must go there first in mind before you could ever go there in the afterlife. It's about thinking rightly, so that you may behave accordingly.
allfitch84 2 months ago 3
@allfitch84 That highly reminds me of certain aspects of Buddhism(without the reincarnation of course). I think of myself as a Taoist Atheist, which is kinda like saying "I'm a feline cat".
I like to see myself like a bit of a secular philosopher, taking many concepts and ideas and creating a comprehensive view out of them. I mostly lead to the non-mystical sort of Taoism though.
And thank you for responding. I tend get rather nasty comments on these kind of videos so I was a bit worried.
BokuwaFdesu 2 months ago
@JesusChristisMuslim The Old Testament, the Quran, they are all immaterial to the main question:
Do(es) a god or gods exist?
Before you go around trying to argue which version of whose god is the God of the Abrahamic religions, you first have to establish a valid existence claim.
TheGeneralCritic 3 months ago
@JesusChristisMuslim Hmm..so the fact that Moses is a myth and Exodus never happened is a problem for Christianity but somehow not for Islam
kemalcs 3 months ago 4
@JesusChristisMuslim haha, your quran is just the next step of Abrahamic theology, it is the evolved version of the christianity you're attacking you fuckwit. The qu'rap is just as bereft of knowledge, wisdom and truth as every other fairy tale on the planet, so what makes you lie and say that the quran contains no contradictions? it is rife with contradictions to itself and science...
we're done with your STUPID religion, and only an IMBECILE could believe in such camel shit...
hempartist420 3 months ago 50
@hempartist420 Shut up yourself fuckwit. Look to your guy Hitchens. Look hard at how much he respects Lewis here, juust as Nietzsche's Zarathustra respected only the religious hermit in the woods while coming to radically different conclusions himself (well maybe not *just* like that). Hitchens is an intellectual with balls who tries never to say a word he can't back up. You throw words like 'fairy-tale," "stupid," and "imbecile," with nothing but cute suburban angst underneath.
Grey000 1 month ago
@Grey000 is that an attempt at making a point?
hempartist420 1 month ago
@hempartist420 So, I'm not responsible for you comprehending a clear statement if it's formulated right the first time. Against my better judgment though: Hitchens qualifies every statement he makes. Here he's specific, to the point, secure enough to give respect that's due, confident enough to go for the kill. You toss around words like stupid an imbecile like saying it makes it true. You're a small asshole, crudely aping his conclusions, lacking patience for his thought process.
Grey000 1 month ago 2
@Grey000 lol, for some reason you think that you've made a coherent statement or argument against me, your only problem seems to be is that I'm not exactly like Christopher Hitchens. you are simply a stupid, annoying twat and should fuck of as soon as possible.
hempartist420 1 month ago
@hempartist420 Brilliant. "Oh you're so stupid fuck off" is a brilliant example of your erudition, clarity of thinking, and skill at cutting to the heart of a topic. Respectively that would mean you don't read, don't think, and are too much of a pussy to engage the issue. If that to you is a trivial difference with Hitchens then you've gravely insulted a man who just died. You wish you were that smart so you could bully people, but you aren't so you bully people as an idiot.
Grey000 1 month ago 2
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@Grey000 are you done trolling faggot?
hempartist420 1 month ago
@hempartist420 Now that I made you shut up, yeah actually. Work's done.
Grey000 1 month ago
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@Grey000 u done now faggot?
hempartist420 1 month ago
@hempartist420 No, at this point I'm just poking you to see what else you can come up with. Are you done yet?
Grey000 1 month ago
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@Grey000 u done now faggot?
hempartist420 1 month ago
@hempartist420 I'm still having fun. Aren't you?
Grey000 1 month ago
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@Grey000 oh, sorry faggot, I thought you were done
hempartist420 1 month ago
@hempartist420 Well I'm sorry if this wasn't as fun for you as it was for me. You know, the real secret to enjoying yourself anywhere is knowing how to keep yourself entertained—without other people. Why not go fuck yourself with a garden tool at least until you can be more inventive than "faggot?" Peace, bro.
Grey000 1 month ago 2
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@Grey000 peace, faggot
hempartist420 1 month ago
@JesusChristisMuslim
Regardless of whether the Quran has contradictions, there's no reason to believe the contents of the book are true. The Quran reads like the ravings of a homicidal maniac, and has thus inspired many a homicidal maniac, from the senile thug Khomeini who order the murder of a novelist, to the hopelessly sexually repressed Mohammed Atta, who incinerated himself and thousands of people he never met.
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@JesusChristisMuslim Chirstopher Hitchens' atheism stems from his experience with all Religions. It doesn't stem from double-standards but from issues of morality, fanatism, logic, science, philosophy, religious practices, religious people/minds, religious indoctrination, intolerance, religious claims, scepticism.
guitar789 3 months ago 4
@Comala666 That's an example of the way authority, especially religion, assists people to behave like monsters. Just say x is God's will and watch people flock to comply. Perfectly normal people gassed Jews in Nazi Germany and normal people blow themselves and kill civilians today - divine mandate (Hitler was a cult in himself) circumvents responsibility: that's psychology for you. People need to be taught to think: neither dictators or religions like teaching critical thinking.
random007nadir 3 months ago
@random007nadir I meant blow them selves up, not blow themselves. That lends an altogether inappropriate tone to my argument. Thankyou, modern English slang and thankyou unnoticed typographical errors.
random007nadir 3 months ago
@Comala666 Sounds like you describe a cult but it doesn't sound like what Christianity is suppose to be at all.
jrmaximus 3 months ago
why optimus prime is better then jesus.
1. age, optimus prime 10000000 years. jesus.30?50?70?
2.sound. optimus prime, sounds awsome, culd hold a speach. jesus, most liekly scitzofrenik.
3. personal philosophy: optimus prime, freedome is right of every sentient being
jesus: no one is saved unless they worship me. and if they dont, then they burn forever.
gethsoftware 3 months ago
@gethsoftware
1 Jesue about 30
2 Learn what schizophrenia is. Even if you don't believe what he taught that is an incorrect description.
3 Jesus philosophy is freedom. Just because men who disregard the teachings of Jesus try to oppress and control other men doesn't change the truth that Jesus taught.
Jesus said worship God. He said equality with God isn't possible. He came to teach the way for us to follow. Decide for yourself-read the New Testament. Don't listen to what someone else says
jrmaximus 3 months ago
@jrmaximus So i get to go heaven even if i cant make my self belive that jesus was real? allso, jesus clearly states that you have to submit. or else he will be taking you trough the winepress of sinners. its jesus doint the punishing in there. and he is punishing only those who dong belive in for simply not beliving in him. its YOU who have not read the new testament. i have read the hole bible. i have allso read koran, bagadah githa. its you who only listens what others say.
gethsoftware 3 months ago 3
@gethsoftware My last point was not meant to accuse but clarify my position that each person needs to work out for themselves what is true. If there is a creator you have to work that out between you and that creator. No one can think for you. No one can think for me.
You do claim things that are in error so I only assume you have received that understanding from someone else who has told you that's what is meant. If there is a God will you go to heaven-not for me to say.
jrmaximus 3 months ago
@jrmaximus I disagree. Truth is universal, singular and independent of individualised perception . To think that we each have a personalised custom made connection with the greater universe or God ( or gods/spirits/djinn/animistic forces/etc) that suits us individually is arrogant egocentric solipsism. Truth doesn't change to suit us on an individual basis. It's there and we're just incidental observers. That, and (regrettably) very easily deluded romantic wishful thinkers.
random007nadir 3 months ago
@random007nadir I agree with you completely on truth. I think you are reading into what I said.
Each of us has the responsibility to ourselves to seek the truth-not think someone else is better situated to expound the truth to us and thus blindly follow them.
Different people see different parts of the whole truth but no one can claim to know the whole truth. It is necessary both for theist and atheists to try to put the pieces together themselves to help give better understanding to the whole.
jrmaximus 3 months ago
@jrmaximus "Learn what schizophrenia is. Even if you don't believe what he taught, that is an incorrect description" Right. Jesus wasn't homeless and he didn't suggest that he was God, as Schitzos do. "Jesus philosophy is freedom; men who disregard the teachings of Jesus oppress and control" Right. Its not controlling to proclaim that anyone who doesn't convert will go to hell. "Jesus said 'worship God'" Right. Joh 5:23 "honor the Son just as you honor the Father" isn't worship. Your a nut.
truthbknwn 1 month ago
@truthbknwn (Mat 10:34) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
(Mat 10:35) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
(Mat 10:36) And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
(Mat 10:37) He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
otaku3d 1 month ago 3
@otaku3d "Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace..." I'm not sure why you are quoting these scriptures to me.
truthbknwn 1 month ago
@truthbknwn i think i misplaced :)
otaku3d 1 month ago
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This man is a skilled speaker able to articulate his personal opinions and ideas as if he was speaking from a position of knowing some sort of facts.
He speaks eloquently to those who enjoy having someone fill there ears with what they want to hear.
To bad he never had the chance to realize how lacking he really was in knowledge and recognize his deep rooted arrogance.
jrmaximus 3 months ago
@jrmaximus oh please. Says the man who is part of Cult of Personality. You are like battered wife who still thinks that his violent parent is good man. Read the bible, read the hole thing, not just the nice things. And dont make excuses. read the koran, allso. and read the bagadah gita, its damn good compared to bible. And think it really for moment. its the bible it self that made us reject religion. not what someone else said. i cant belive how blind one can be to evil.
gethsoftware 3 months ago 3
@gethsoftware There are things I know are true from my own experience. There are things I question despite you believing you know me at all through some amazing insight.
I question the Old Testament in areas like Israel saying God tells them to destroy other nations of people etc.. It is their history not mine. I do know Jesus taught peace not hatred and his teaching is considered good even by Muslims as I understand. Religion is a nieve attempt to explain our reality. Reality is much deeper.
jrmaximus 3 months ago
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This man pollute the word of God with his foolish subjective opinions that produce no evidence for his claims concerning Christ when there is tons of manuscript that suggest not only did Christ exist but eye witnesses accounts of his miraculous existence. Atheism is nothing more than a ploy from Satan to prevent creation from believing in the Creator. History records various intelligentsia's who have attempted to silence the gospel, only to die trying as Hitchens is about to do.
Mschocolalicious 4 months ago
@Mschocolalicious Two thousand year old eyewitness accounts, from illiterate Bronze Age people, are not exactly to be trusted. Even if there was a deluded rabbi wandering about the Middle East at that time, it does not make any of his claims true.
Look, there is no evidence for any kind of deity whatsoever. Science and reason have explained so much now that there is no need for one to explain anything anymore. Religion is an outdated social construct with no relevance to modern society.
Sauron012 4 months ago 7
@Sauron012 yes, we always think like this "its just bull shit, it is sooo evident" , and we figure this is enough , suddenly, this groups grow in unsuspected disproportion thanks to the lack of importance we give to this matter.
otaku3d 1 month ago
@Mschocolalicious 'tons of manuscript' such as? Oh and many of the people who died trying were murdered by the church.
uknowispeaksense 3 months ago 4
Boy, it goes to show you that 99.9% of these intellectual atheist have no idea what they are talking about as it relates to the relationship of Christ Jesus and mankind. This video was a complete waste of time for me! But I did have a good laugh as to how far off this guy is in his understanding, as well as what he is willing to say to try and make a point.
rmaynard626 4 months ago
@rmaynard626 its about an affair with a ghost. yes i know what this is, you are having a deep romance with a ghost. You are in love with god, is jesus in love with you? well you feel his love so it must be. isnt it? is not about Jesus existence, is about Jesus love to you. the second is hard to prove. How can one probe a rock does not have dreams?
otaku3d 1 month ago 6
@rmaynard626 you are in love with you leader. like people did with Mao in China and like people do in north korea with is son-of-god-president.
But from this perspective i have to say:
Yor lider is a vampire, you let it bite to you , you become perfect immortal like him (otherwise you are a dirty mortal) , you wait until is resurection , and you want a world ruled by vampires.
otaku3d 1 month ago
I am a christian..but the problem is that the teachings of Christianity are not the same as the teachings of Christ.
hoogys 4 months ago
@hoogys I say the opposite. The good thing is that the teachings of modern, reformed, progressive Christianity is thankfully fairly far removed from the teachings of Christ and the Bible. Unfortunately there are always the fundamentalists who want to take us back to the dark ages and take Biblical nonsense literally.
tangelorajan 4 months ago
@tangelorajan what fundamentalists preach as well as mainstream christianity teaches is not what is in the bible. here Hitchens is railing agasint "atonement by sacrifice" which is opposed in the bible. but most of mankind doesnt know that cuz fundamentalists are not telling you the truth.
hoogys 4 months ago
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how ironic that he came down w/ throat cancer...
PacmanBonez 4 months ago
@PacmanBonez You would say something like that, you vile person. How could you say a thing like that.
Hitchens would laugh at you. As am i.
MrNoexcuses 4 months ago
@MrNoexcuses vile person according to what standard? and as soon as u say it..... arbitrary .. case closed
PacmanBonez 4 months ago
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@PacmanBonez - you said "how ironic that he came down w/ throat cancer..."
Irony -
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
Please explain how it is ironic that Hitchens has throat cancer?
LaVraiVerite 4 months ago 3
Hitchens cant make that absolute claim that it was immoral due to the relative nature or morality in the atheistic world view... right?
PacmanBonez 4 months ago
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THEEVANTHETOON 4 months ago
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Christianity is 100% moral; Just google "The Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy" that we all must do.
WayOfTheMaster454 4 months ago
Before anyone froths, the many interpreters of Christ's teachings have been painfully short as anyone who isn't.
flupachi 4 months ago
Christ said he came for the sick and not the well. Since Hutchings and his followers are all well they should have no problem continuing on their own merry way.
flupachi 4 months ago
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@flupachi
Christopher Hitchens is dying of cancer, idk if I'd call that healthy or merry.
k1ngkoo0pa 4 months ago
@k1ngkoo0pa I believe as a follower of Crhist that He has healed me of many, many physical infirmities. I am still sorry to read of this man's circumstance. Thanks.
flupachi 4 months ago
@k1ngkoo0pa When I wrote, "well" I meant he is at peace with his choice to not believe on Jeus the Christ.
flupachi 4 months ago
@flupachi
In the first sentence you used "well" to mean healthy, as opposed to "sick". I'm sure you can see why I thought the "well" in the next sentence would mean the same thing, since you were connecting the two...
k1ngkoo0pa 4 months ago
@k1ngkoo0pa :) Yeah, I see what you mean. Thanks for being nice, I appreciate it.
flupachi 4 months ago
@flupachi No problem, lol no reason to be anything but nice, you weren't mean to me.
k1ngkoo0pa 4 months ago
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Hitchens, ' God is not great' is one of my favourite books. For similar great thoughts try Dan Barker, John W. Loftus, Robert M Price, Valerie Tarico, Victor Stenger, Bart Ehrman, Ken Humphreys, Richard Carrier, Ken Pulliam, Keith Parsons, Gary Greenberg, Robert Ingersoll, Thomas Paine, Mark Twain, Earl Doherty, Israel Finkelstein, Daniel Dennett, C Dennis Mckinsey
zytigon 4 months ago
Christianity is at least 1% moral. There's some good to it.
Prefixing the Christian bible with the Hebrew scriptures (Council of Nicaea) doesn't seem wise; the Old Testament is a testament to immoral actions and edicts. The NT is not that much better.
gekritzl 5 months ago 3
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Christianity is 100% moral.
VictoryInJesus454 5 months ago
@VictoryInJesus454-100% moral? From the NT -- Paul says:
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I suffer not a woman to teach.
Jesus says:
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [pathetic]
And that servant... shall be beaten with many stripes. [not very moral]
Jesus says to kill disobedient children (Mk 7:10, and Mt 15:4).
And the "Holy Ghost" is a bastard (Acts 5:1-10).
gekritzl 5 months ago 4
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@gekritzl --We should love Jesus more than our relatives because Jesus is God the Son; The "beating with many stripes" is actually about the punishment given out at the Secong Coming; And im not sure why Jesus is quoting the Law Of Moses concerning rebelious children, but im sure he's not really "telling" them to kill children; Consider the woman caught in adultery and how that episode ended. Jesus came to set us free from the Law.
VictoryInJesus454 5 months ago
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@VictoryInJesus454 - So, the actual words Jesus says (when inconvenient to your cause) don't actually mean that, but mean something totally different. Okay, great. I claim that when he said "love your enemies" he meant to have sex with men of other tribes.
Second coming?? That was supposed to be 2000 years ago, within "a generation" as Jesus said!
"Jesus came to set us free from the Law."??? What about Mt 5:17? -- Think not that I am come to destroy the law... but to fulfil.
gekritzl 5 months ago
@VictoryInJesus454 Unfortunately he did (Matthew 5:17). The story of the adulteress was added on many centuries later. (See: watch?v=7cK3Ry_icJo)
TomFynn 4 months ago
@TomFynn --Yes, my footnotes say it was a later "insertion", but the church still accepts it as cannonical scripture.
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If I may ask, what is your spiritual background?
VictoryInJesus454 4 months ago
@VictoryInJesus454 "insertion". In other words, they made it up as they went along. Which is the point.
Spritual Background: None whatsoever leaning towards Pastafanism.
TomFynn 4 months ago 2
@TomFynn - a fellow Pastafan. Ramen, brother! Praise be to His noodly Goodness.
geneolune 4 months ago
@geneolune Naw, not really. Only on rare occasions. Only when I have spaghetti. Or lasagna. Or noodle soup. Or köttbullar. Or... all hail his noodly Goodness.
TomFynn 4 months ago
@TomFynn - I just posted a comment to your page.
geneolune 4 months ago
@TomFynn -- Sounds pretty gay.
VictoryInJesus454 4 months ago
@VictoryInJesus454 What is is with you Christians and you barely suppressed homoeroticism?
TomFynn 4 months ago 4
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@TomFynn ---If you think im gay, shouldnt you be kissing my ass?
VictoryInJesus454 4 months ago
@VictoryInJesus454
ya just ignore those pedophile priests over there.. hahahaha
aegisgfx 4 months ago
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@aegisgfx --Christianity is 100% moral; people on the other hand tend to fail in applying it to daily life.
VictoryInJesus454 4 months ago
@VictoryInJesus454
ok so you don't actually watch the fucking videos, you just come here to spew the lies your religion tells you to have to spew. Fine. Explain how the slavery that jesus promotes is 100% moral. Society has rejected slavery, so is secular society not more moral than your shitty bibble? I think ti is, I think I am far more moral than you and your 'god' and I can prove it since I don't own any slaves.
aegisgfx 4 months ago 5
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@aegisgfx --I own no slaves either, and I doubt you are moral at all.
VictoryInJesus454 4 months ago
@VictoryInJesus454
you own no slaves???? Then you are not a TRUE christian, you have to follow all the words of god to be a TRUE chtristian. When you get some slaves and sell your children as property, then get back to us.
aegisgfx 4 months ago 7
Maybee this is why the world is so f....d
Because Mr.H is spot on..
marqann 5 months ago
Please remember that the "Satan" plays the role of ultimate scapegoat. He is required by "The Creator" to accept the blame for ALL EVIL and loaded down with all that blame, jump into a bottomless pit ! If this is not martyrdom what is ? ? ?
Avalon400 5 months ago
Hitchens is taking Lewis way out of context. The book he is quoting is titled Mere Christianity and was not intended to be a defense of the Bible or God but the validity of Jesus. It was written presupposing that there is a god, as he clearly explains through the earlier chapters of the book when he explains the 'moral law' as evidence of a creator.
In other words, if there is a 'god', even in the most deistic sense, then we may be forced to concluded that Jesus was God.
knowwaie 5 months ago
@knowwaie You cannot see that judging an argument on an alleged negative property of the person making it and calling someone retarded in a discussion are not one and the same? And yet you keep on doubting the intelligence of other people? Sorry, I don't speak delusion.
TomFynn 5 months ago 2
@TomFynn Where are you misunderstanding?... I'm trying to help you but it's as if you don't want it.
You were defining ad hominem as insult, were you not? I've been explaining to you in every way possible that ad hominem does not mean insult. It may imply insult... In fact you don't even have an understanding of the word insult. Insults are not given they are taken. There are no 'insults' until someone is insulted.
Just take my word, you don't understand. You're not thinking properly.
knowwaie 5 months ago
@knowwaie You call people retarded, but claim that this is not an insult? Wow. There is no word for that kind of disconnect.
TomFynn 5 months ago 2
Again, you're missing the point and still wrong at every turn. If you are insulted it says something about you, not my use of the word. I'm not being 'mean' or 'offensive'. I'm saying there is something wrong with your thinking and i'm proving it as we speak. This is much less offensive than telling you the truth that we're dealing with a deliberate psychosis of self deceit. And i'm not just saying it about you. It's the general characteristic of every human. You're selfish to be insulted.
knowwaie 5 months ago
So is Hitchens for capital punishment or not?... He seems to say that he is.
This is more telling of Hitchens character than anything else.
knowwaie 5 months ago
@knowwaie He is not for it: watch?v=8Qf5uhG2B3k
TomFynn 5 months ago
@TomFynn .. Ok.. So you see the point, i hope?
knowwaie 5 months ago
@knowwaie What point?
TomFynn 5 months ago
@TomFynn Did you watch the video? 0:48
I appreciate that you answered my question but i don't think you understood my comment. You're also making my point. This is more telling of Hitchens character. Instead of saying he doesn't agree with capital punishment he says he would never take that punishment for someone else. So... Hitchens is saying that a person who dies for another is wrong because he himself wouldn't do it.
Just don't take this guy too seriously.
knowwaie 5 months ago
@knowwaie He said specifically, and I quote "I could serve your sentence in prison if I was brave enough." What does that have to to with capital punishment?
TomFynn 5 months ago
@TomFynn That is the point of redemption?
Ok then, if Hitchens would not take someones prison sentence for them then is that an issue of redemption or Hitchens character?
Or maybe we should start with a simpler question. Do you have any mental handicaps?
knowwaie 5 months ago