The only flaw I see with the Cobra maneuver is that it can avoid the first missile attack, but what about a second? During the Cobra maneuver, the plane can only go less than 40 mph once it recovers. Easy prey for another missile! :O
Cobra maneuver isn't for avoiding missiles but to be used in dog fighting(to suddenly get behind the enemy) or to have sudden turn capability."the plane can only go less than 40 mph once it recovers" it's utter nonsense to me if we already established the first.While mentioning first strike capability compare RuAf missiles and radars to ones used in USAF.If radar can see target 300km away and has missile to strike it-like Russian R-37M,who has first strike?
@BoxyTheSpaceDog Anybody can say anything, but that doesn't prove what will actually happen on the real battlefield. It's my opinion that the Flankers might be useless with their maneuvers. For one it's never been proven in combat, at least I don't think and not only that, but the Russian Federation only has two Su-35/37's made! Not even an air squadron yet :P
Your every comment revels how little of RuAf you know.Maneuvers are practiced because they are used in combat.Where has Usaf encountered Russian planes flown by Russian pilots,where maneuvers have been disapproved?Where has Stealth or rather against whom has it been proven?In Iraq when all AA positions and radar stations were already taken out and over Serbia-resulted in 3 F-117 damaged.Su-37 is now Su-30MK(with 3D vectoring)and Russia has enough of those.
@BoxyTheSpaceDog No offense but the Su-30MK sucks, I mean maybe it does have thrust vectoring but how many do you know were used in action against ANYONE, like I said unproven. I have no idea how any of these aircraft fair with the real world, but I'll go with the pros and agree that USAF is and will always be the number one air force in the world! Russian stuff might be cool and all, but America is where it's at.
Su-30 was used(export version) by India Su-30MKI in war games (Red Flag) in US and plane defeated all US planes it encountered but only lost to F-22.But that's according to their data since Usaf AWACS picked up the results.It is true that not even one Su-27 has never encountered US plane and US plane never encountered decent airforce also so it goes both ways.Only in W.War you might get your wish but do you really want that?You underestimate Russian potential.
The problem with this aircraft is that the thrustvectoring bleeds so much energy from the aircraft during turns. F-22 has the upperhand because it has a much better sustained turn rate, it does not get low on airspeed.
At the Su-30 vs. F-16 and F-15 in india, the su-30 sometimes stalled in mid-air, because the TVC would take the speed away in turns. then the F-15/16's would just climb and drill the indian brains out with guns.
@pacus123 This was not cope india, this was red flag. at cope india the USA always had to fly 4 F-15C's VS. 12 indian aircraft (Mirage 2000 Mig-27 Mig-29 Su-30). + the indian side had a big help because the rules were no long-shot's. this was a huge advantage to the indians because they had the numbers on their side.
@JVC7400 I am glad you brought these deficiencies up as this is normally how opposing air forces have had to deal with the US air force (Iraq war and the Balkans). In reality the ratios they've had to face have been a LOT worse.
The pilots flying the SU30s in Red Flag were inexperienced in flying Su30s.
@pacus123 Yes, because the indians would ONLY bring their vets to fly at redflag. as soon as the average pilot flew, the f-15 / f-16 nailed the Su-30's this was wih average american pilots.
@JVC7400 No, that is not what I said. I said the indian pilots at redflag were NOT vets. Also the SU30MKI was a new plane that the Indians were flying. Previously they'd flown a different model and had more experience with it (MK from memory). The fact of the matter is experienced Indian pilots flying the SU30s gave the Americans an absolute arse pounding. I mean it was embarrassing to the point they were considering reactivating the F22 programme! LOL!
I agree. The canards are purely for manicured air maneuvers but will eventually become a problem at high G turns. It's simple air and flow dynamics, don't know why they decided to put them on. Looks nice tho.
what is this a mock in the U.S? this aircraft doesnt even exist anymore due to its very low stability causing it to crash often there was a certain U.S ACE pilot who took down an su-37 on his f-16
I tried to accept Mikhail's challenge against my US made paper airplane and he quickly declined it after discovering it had a 300 win to zero losses record against house flies. 0_0
Sorry Russian friends, but the days of conventional dogfighting are over. Today, air dominance is all about killing the opponent before he realises you are there. Air dominance is typically long range missile attacks performed in secret. Your Su-37 lacks the stealthy edge of the f-22, and has even lost to the f-22 in european simulations 10/1. Fancy things like thrust vectoring are completely irrelevant now. Now manouverability is just a simple precaution.
yes she a good dog fighter though a dog fight the last part of air to air combat now. in sort the f22 just kill the su 37 or 47 BVR. then vs the the su 37 in a dog fight the f22 still on par not as good but to be honest the better pilot would take the fight not te better jet.
Lots of folks here are saying the F22 is better than the SU and vice versa. I don't know but I think the real proof will be given to us when this two really find itself in war... At that point I'd be very very afraid of the impending blood shed =(
All I know, these warbirds are amazing pieces of technology, not to mention that "form following function" is such a masterpiece! O.o
Russian rationale is a failure. If Sukhoi's are as good as you say, then why does the F-15 Eagle have an amazing kill ratio against almost all Russian fighters.. Propaganda bullshit ruskies. Its getting old, get over it, you lost the cold war, America's still standing strong.
The aircraft that has a higher supersonic capability, superior avionics and vastly smaller radar profile always, always, always chooses when and how to engage the opponent. It doesn't matter how tight your turning radius is, you will never shoot down a competent pilot in a craft you cannot engage without his permission. It's literally strategy 101. "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."-Sun Tzu
I appologize for losely throwing around the terms Su33 and Su37. They are so closely related i fudge my typing and swap the names around. I love both equally so both names come to mind at the same time. Flankers 4 life :D F22s belong in a land fill next to the tax payer's dollars spent on it >:)
I'm pretty sure I'd rather have the Su33 than an F22 because you can produce a ton of Su33s at a much lower price AND the 33 still out performs the more costly F22. To all of those hating on the Su33 and Su47 since you can't afford one go and buy a video game with all three planes in it and I Challenge you to make the F22 out fly the 33 or 47. Shit, if the Su33 flies anything like the Yellow Squadron Aircraft from Ace Combat 6 the F22 mindswell not leave the hanger because the 33 flies on rails.
soo why the f22 was canceled if it so great??? why no one have answered a 15 yeras old challenge whit the remain Su 37???...american propaganda its just that like JSF "waste od money" program XD
@mauricioalfredo83 300 Billion dollar aircraft and who are the Americans going to use it against??? Anyone with a modern economy and military will not beat the Americans......so if anything, why did the Americans ever waste 300 billion a plane when no one would fuck with them?
Also, why would the Americans let the world see their aircraft in action and let everyone try to beat the stealth capabilites and their advanced radar? Propaganda claims from a Russian is fucking hillarious.
@harris3693 and how fucking gay are you to backtrack one month on youtube comments to reply to something thats fact. Since your a fucking retard I'll briefly explain. Only two Su-37 were made and one crashed in Dec of 2002 which killed the program. Only the Su-35 is being produced.
@inouelenhatduy actually it isn't. The 37 is derived from the 35 but its more advanced and more expensive. The Russians decided that the 35 was a better option due to cost and the development of the t-50
this is a fucking joke, the su 37 is nothing but a test plane that failed horribly because the su 35 was a piece of shit, the overal design is way too manoverable for any modern pilot to handle and the controls were known to be unresponsive during turning manovers, these would be killed and hunted down by raptors, it would be suicide for a rusian pilot to fight something he cannot see and would not be able to hide from an f22 either
Su-37 hahahah . only 2 of them were produced one crashed , and you are telling me that this shit can beat a raptor ... please ... are you dumb or what , pride aside but , YOU CANT KILL WHAT YOU CANT SEE ... plus the raptor has faaaar better rockets ... and basically without it ... fighters will be the same as agricultural planes :D
the su-37 is a very good lookin plane and its a good plane to but in my opiaon the f-22 is better p.s. please try not to said "hateful" replies because i was exspresing my opiaon on the su-27 and some hater called me an idiot and i think that was uncalled for thumbs up if u agree
Guys i am one to really talk down the Americans, and I really love the flanker family of aircraft, but this machine will not beat a F22 raptor. The raptor would destroy the AEW&C and then hunt down the flanker knowing the whole time where the flanker was. And the flanker wouldn't be the wiser until it was being engaged. It's just as simple as that, in a dog fight at close range sure, the flanker with heat seekers would have my bet, but in a war. No.
A lot of American pilots were saying the same as this prick but when the F-22 was unveiled with its 2D thrust vectoring nozzles the Cobra maneuver has miraculously become western favorite :/
@strizhi cobra manuever is good for show but terrible for real war, you can't move that slowly and expect to win a dogfight, being fast and taking agile turns is whats important IF the fight gets close.
@prjerry7 Tell that to the Raptor pilots LOL...Russian Sukhoi planes had this manuever down at least 20 years before and US flyboy's were dogging it like you. Now they are gleeming with a new hype everytime at any airshow with F-22 in it. It's a backup for close encounter evading locking systems, confusing radar and most importantly of all forcing the attacking pilot to reverse course of action. It was always an added bonus for the Russians because they had fast and agility before hand.
@strizhi im not trying to defame Russian fighters but i wouldnt kiss their butts so much. In EVERY WAR where Russian weaponry confronted American weaponry the Russian was out-classed.
This includes Vietnam [2 mil vietkong died], Korea [mig alley 1-10 US favor], USSR invasion of Afghanistan [US rpg], Gulf War [hundreds of Russian tanks destroyed 0 American], Current Iraq/Afghan wars, ETC.
@prjerry7 Welcome to Russia's 20th century dogfighting tactic and America's 21st century. If you're close and you're fast and agile chances are you'll miss on both ends, but with insaine manuevers produced by 3D thrust vectors it really turns tables on the aggressor. I think if the Russians were smart enough to keep guns on their planes throughout the 60's and 70's they're smart enough to realize what dogfights tend to need. I'd trust their experience over our lessons learned the hard way.
@strizhi You do know F-22 can pull tighter turns then pretty much anything when in cruise right?
Also, Americans were wrong with thinking missiles would render dogfighting useless in the 70's but now stealth is a game changer [or so we think] so in 2 decades we will see.
@strizhi Funny how the kid that worships the US government keeps using arguments against you that I always countered, such as naming china made soviet tanks in the gulf war (MEDIUM TANKS) in this case that didn't stand a chance against MBTs (Abrams) Yet if you bring up the T90 he will shit himself saying it's a copy of the T72 LOL. Abrams is also a copy of the sherman. Sent him mills of vids and sources that he ignored, maybe he does make part of the US gov.
I'm Italian, so quite neutral in the confrontation F-22 vs. Sukhoi-37, and I have to say I would rather put my ass on a -37, should I have to face a dogfight....the Cobra allows you to put in front of your missiles an adversary which was behind you just seconds before...great job, Sukhoi! Bravi!
russian power.. if the profeshional boxer know he can kik ur ass he has no problem taking u on the street if u challenge him .. but if he scared and dose not wanna fight he pussy and he know he migh or he will lose the fight... im talking about us staping down to a challenge and russians are no jest so guy asking 4 a challenge they profesionals jest like us is but usa did not want to cuz they knew they was going to loooooooøse
Finally, the USAF doesn't need or want to show off every tactic and technology showcased with this plane. Every heard of the saying "element of surprise?"
And for those of you wondering why the U.S. didn't jump at the chance to mock-battle this plane, you don't understand international politics in the least. For one, the USAF feels no need to step up to any random challenge, as they know the plane they have, and what it can do. A professional boxer doesn't fight any random guy that challenges him on the street. Well, perhaps an ignorant Russian one might.
@shredtastic And your one makeing excuses for the ineptness of the USAF useing some lame "boxer chalenger" theroy LMAO as if Sukoi is't a major challenger to Lockeed in the arms buisness ,all I have to say is they were afraid the craptor might have one of it's computer failures or any of the numerous problems come to light to the general public internationaly ,in simple terms they were afraid the craptor might fall out of the sky like the one in Alaska did !........
The Su-37 might be able to pull tighter turns, as the 3-D thrust vectoring allows it to turn at lower velocities, so the G-load on the pilot is not as severe as cornering tightly at higher speed. However, as has been stated, external pylons on the Su-37 loaded with missiles, will essentially negate that since the wings won't be able to support the added load.uman pilots, no matter which country they come from.
What an incredible heap of mis-information posted here... I don't even know where to start.
I keep seeing completely false posts about SU's sustaining higher G loads than an F-22. All of these planes could sustain 9+ G's, but are limited by their human pilots. Sustained G loads black out human pilots, no matter which country they come from.
@GOAF2014 f22 is in not production and that f22 is so lame that it cant even comunicate with other planes,it has old pc unit(from 80's)and it cant be upgraded,its 2 expensive to maintain it,u need 34 working hours 4 2 hours of flight and each f22 needs to get paint(the stealth absortion)evry month.and guess what!it was shoted down in libya and after that usaf said that none f22 will fly over libya again.so f22 is only good at wasting money.
@itachiitachi1946 F-22A is in production and the production doesn't end until late 2012 look it up. The F-22A acts as a short range AWACS at time, it can communicate with not just other US planes, but NATO planes. Red Flag, Northern Edge, multiple other air combat simulations, the F-22A communicates with planes from other nations.
@itachiitachi1946 The F-22A has been upgraded from just AMRAAM, to AMRAAM & JDAM, to AMRAAM JDAM and SDB and soon will carry the newest SDB. Its software has been upgraded from Block 10 to Block 30. The paint on the F-22A is only vulnerable to flaking from going beyond its specified top speed of Mach 2.5. Beyond that, the stressed are too great and it peels.
@GOAF2014 block 10 to block 30?WTF? u think thats its an f16? rly WTF? the only upgrade that they tried 4 f22 was to make it able 4 ground targets(naming it also as f/a22).but even that upgrade failed and they stoped the production rate of f22.u rly r a douchebag.oh get lost.i had enough of ur lame excuses already
@itachiitachi1946 The F-16 is at Block 60. Block just mean class or upgrade level. It was named the F/A-22 long before it entered service BEFORE it began a F-22A. The F-22A is still finishing its funded production, the last one to come out likely in 2012. Everyone knows this kid
@GOAF2014 The AMRAAM was compatible with the YF-22's software so no upgrade was needed. The upgrades were needed for the JDAM SDB and newest SDB to come out soon. USAF Factsheet F-22A Raptor-One M61A2 20-millimeter cannon with 480 rounds, internal side weapon bays carriage of two AIM-9 infrared (heat seeking) air-to-air missiles
@GOAF2014 and internal main weapon bays carriage of six AIM-120 radar-guided air-to-air missiles (air-to-air loadout) or two 1,000-pound GBU-32 JDAMs and two AIM-120 radar-guided air-to-air missiles (air-to-ground loadout)
@itachiitachi1946 The F-22A is now getting RAM mats instead of RAM paint and it does not need replacement monthly. And the last thing you said was a total lie. 1st the only US aircraft lost over Libya was an F-15E Strike Eagle and it crashed due to mechanical malfunctions. 2nd the F-22A was not sent to Libya, get your story straight.
@GOAF2014 jdam? u know that jdam is air to ground bomb? u know that jdam cannot even put inside of f22?and even if it could then the f22 cannot be upgraded to have that bomb.u know that slam er was created for f22 but f22 is so lame that they changed their plans and they added slam er to f18,f15,and f16? u know shit kido.and btw f22 was shot down over libya.get ur facts straight before u start lieing online.and f15 has been proved that has been locked on and shoted down pover lybia.stop lieing!!
@itachiitachi1946 The 1000 lbs JDAM fits perfectly into the F-22A's weapons bay. The SLAM-ER was designed for the F/A-18 to replace the HARM. The F-22A hasnt been sent to Libya, yet again something everyone knows. Also, the F-15E that crashed was in largely in 1 piece, had it been shot down, it's parts would've been strewd over miles get it right and do some godforsaken research
@MiG359NTF..the F-22 and the SU-37 never have, and never would do exercises together. You think on a slow Sunday they decided to just go up and have ait to air combat simulation? Sorry, the real world doesnt work like that.
@HerculesRockefellerr I didn't said that Su-37 and F-22 exercise together. It's Su-27 and actually Su-35BM, Su-30, and Su-27 (red team) owned F-22, F-35, and F/A-18 (blue team) with shocking score.
@HerculesRockefellerr f22 has been beated by su37 and even su27.and to be more precise it was during red flag 2004 when 4 f22s were against 1 su-27.also f22 was beaten by a greek f16 during red flag 2008(agressors of usaf lost by greeks with a score 18-3).so those facts(and other many facts also)prove that f22 is just a scrap of metal.
@itachiitachi1946 The Su-37 crashed before the F-22A entered service dude. In June, 2006, twelve F-22As of the 27th FW deployed from Langley AFB to Elmendorf AFB for the Northern Edge 2006 exercise. During this exercise the F-22As scored 144:0 in air combat engagements against opposing fighters.
@itachiitachi1946 So immature, yelling and cursing for no reason. And actually, anyone can look it up, but I found a few just for you. Sent to your inbox
If war between Russia and US will happen most likely it will turn in to nuclear war. And in nuclear war will be no winners. Plains and tanks is good for kicking harmless people like Vietnamese or Irak's. Who can't really fight back! (Big americans tank's immune to tine Palestinian rocks)
Shooting down arab MiGs doesn't mean that the russian air force fighters too can be outmaneuvered. That's a stupid estimation. Remember the korean war?
@r4f4st4n1 what story of how lame the russian airforce is ,lol here is the facts , US working its second 5th gen, Russian barely got it's first off the ground after 4 yrs of delays. stealth aircraft built to date in the us ,over 11
stealth aircraft built in russia , 1 pure stealth design , and lets no forget the UAV and UCAVs
russia's not even close , so far behind it's pitful
@verdebusterAP You can shoot down a UAV with a pistol, what's the point of it? Spy? Russians have many ways of doing it. What plane does the US has? Craptor? A jet that cant fly for more than 2hours and can't get wet? Plus, a SU27 can easily shoot one down in a dogfight? Oh please, imagine what piece of cake it would be for the PAKFA or the SU37/SU47.
@r4f4st4n1 the point is that despite age, a weapon is a still a weapon thats the point
please the F-22 owns anything russia flies, for starters , the plane its replaces, the F-15 has owned every piece of russian trash that has crossed its path, two its called inflight refueling ,look up the term
Su-27, outranged and outclassed by the F-22, Su-37 junk and PAK FA useless junk
Why even bring up the F22? I just anser that with this vid.. Oh and this one aswell. watch?v=bCfg5VoBd6Q
the F-15 has owned every piece of russian trash that has crossed its path
That's not what the Vietnam pilots said, in fact, americans feared the MIGs, and what conflict did the F15 enter rofl? Under the control of Israelis? VS the mirages? Well it's obvious, Israelis are the best pilots in the world.
@r4f4st4n1 and the other point of UAVs is that they are next generation of warfare. the predator has proved useless of UAV and everyone is onboard. Apaches can control UAVs now/ the navy is looking to turn retire F-18s in UCAV . and the point is obvious , if you have a F-18 vs Su-33 , on normal day its 50/50 fight but now make the F-18 an UCAV, no pilot , in the aircraft so now the f-18 can be pushed well beyond any human whereas the plioted Su-33 is still constrained by human limitations
the only important thing here is that the challenge was not picked up by no one. If Americans and NATO countries are so confident of their aircrafts, pilots and air forces they would pick up a challenge without hesitation. But, as far as I can see, the only combat NATO is capable of winning is a "story-telling" combat made up of facts, lies and other jibberish.
I don`t say russian planes and pilots are the best but they have thrown a challenge and that`s the most convincible argument
@gulag1979 why in the hell would our government give anyone a show? sure i'd like to see that dog fight, but a mach dog fight would also be totally pointless,as the f-22 is primarily suited for air to air combat and uses stealth and electronic warfare to win,chances are that in a mach-dog fight the su-37 would win,however chances are if it came down to it in real life,the f-22 would blow the hell out of it before any response,besides our goverment is very secretive when it comes to weapons.
@umwhoalol yeah, but you are conscious that this is just talking.That would be like a car race where every competitor says he`s the best and no one goes on the track. just talking, sorry. I repeat, I can`t say who would win cause these planes are all excellent. But I laugh when people here claim victory using factory specifications. An example is a state of the art F117 shot over serbia with 30 years old rusty SAM equipment. On paper such thing would be impossible, but in reality...
@gulag1979 ah thats why i say chances are,of course if a war were to break out im sure there would be some f22s and such that would be shot down by some su37s,however when i say chances are,i mean if they went up against each other 100 times,i can say honestly do to no f22s being shot down EVER,that they'd win most of the time,and ya,incompetance such as the case in serbia can lead to ANY machines downfall. even if they are state of the art... just glad you werent a total dick like most on here
@umwhoalol Comments without a reasonable argument are senseless. Especially when someone says american weapons are worthless. Even the Russians admit that USA is the only superpower in the world. So when we speak of US we think of the top of the class. I like to see other countries developing modern weapons which can stand against (or aside) american ones because that makes the world more interesting. :)
@AtsoftcoT I'd have to say no to that one. It really does depend on the pilot. And once again, this hasn't happened so I don't see where these predictions are coming from. Nobody ever counts the pilot. Another quick note; if it did come down to war, the F-22 would win by default, simply because the ratio of Su37s to F-22s is about 1 to 6. Look up the stats.
@smilingmaskedturtle1 only thing I can see equal to this is the Avro Arrow's cancellation back in the day, but that one was more excusable. I'm sure many technologies developed for the Raptor will be incorporated into the next gen of aircraft tho just like the arrow
@jadger1871 the raptor was designed 20 years ago,the project started many many years back :)) so what contribution does obama have? :)) you are the idiot :))
I do agree, the su37 is good, but the eurofighter would win in air superiority. I'd love to see more work with the su47. F-22 is still the best, its just the wing design and engines mate, pure thrust will accomplish exactly what your aerodynamics have done with canards and high alpha.
Russians always build things and label them as "most powerful" or "fastest ever built" ect.. But the overall quality seems to lack. Sure its sooo fast or soo powerful but is it accurate? When its carring missles actually hit anything?
@101HeyNow and americans don`t claim their weapons as "most powerful"? as far as I can see, both nations do it. But when comes from US then it`s true and when comes from Russia(or other state) it`s false, not true, bad quality? such self arrogance makes your statements less credible and childish.
The F-22 Raptor would easily beat Su-37 Terminator. The Su-37 doesn't have stealth technology, stealth features, no radar track stealth aircraft, no supercruise, and lack in dogfight. F-22 have all those. The Su-37 can't escape from US Advance AIM-120D AMRAAM. So the Su-37 is terminated.
FYI, not accounting for super maneuverability, advanced jamming systems, ability to exploit terrain against missiles, the pilot's ability to exploit a missile's energy/short burning time of a rocket engine, and the changing radar signature during rapid maneuvering the chance of a BVR kill with ANY missile is at most only about 20%. Also, there is a very simple trick that (in theory) will certainly break lock on any missile.
@SilentEagles what do you say about state of the art F 117 (stealth, of course) being shot by an antique SAM over serbia? you glorify factory specifications.
@gulag1979 I say you are moron. lets look at your agruement shall we. a SAM shot a plane down ??
hello jackass , that what SAMs do ,that's why its call Surface to Air Missile. whether its built in 2011 or 1959
its a still missile. then battery commander admitted that brief periods that F-117s doors open were help. plus they had spotters out looking , the missile had to modified and finally the idiot USAF did not change up F-117s routes , all that just to get one plane, lame
@verdebusterAP I know it hurts, but it`s true. That plane was crucial for better understanding of US stelath technology, moron. And, moron, yes, the plane was shipped to Russia and probably China, moron. And, moron, if SAM from 1959. shot down your state-of-the-art plane, it means that it`s not state-of-the-art, moron.
@gulag1979 okay, ass apparently your dumbass cant find your ass with both hands and map let alone understand weapons. its does not matter how state of art of is jackass ,weapon is weapon stupid ass
whether is 1959 SAM or 1999 SAM, jackass they are still missiles and still. the 50.cal has been around since the 1920s but can still chew up any plane or helicopter, destroy most armor vehicles and modern tanks . so ass
@verdebusterAP UAVs/UCAVs= American pilots, can't improvise, which is 80% of what you have to do in battlefield, so yeah I guess it's a small evolution the USAF gets, However human pilots can easily take down a UAV, it's the machine vs man, obviously, the man is much more advanced, And the UCAVs don't even have the thrust of a jet, and most of them, lack the manoeuvrability it should have due to having no G's. Oh, and you're saying SU27 can't shoot down F22s? Study physics please.
@r4f4st4n1 again with the Jackassery, you say study physics when its a well known fact that pilots are submiited to high G-forces , so a piloted plane is really going to win against a un plioted plane , what form of jackass are you, when its the current generation of UAV ,duh , but as I stated before, USN is taking UAV control systems and implanting them into F-18s , which will make a different game when fielded.
its not physics , its simple facts Su-27 is uselss again an F-22
@r4f4st4n1 fact number one,the russians claimed that the Su-35 with the Irbis-E can detect an F-22 at 50 miles , however it is also stated that the AIM-120C-7 has range of 55 miles and as the SU-27 is non-stealth
the F-22's APG-77 is going have that missile flying before the Su-35 even knows its there. so if the Su-35s currently the most modern in service fighter russia , has a that small of chance, then its a simple fact that the F-22 can dominate the Su-27 with ease
@verdebusterAP You still talking about the cancelled F22 Craptor? Didn't I send you this vid yet? /watch?v=KaoYz90giTk
Sorry if I didn't, Since the F22 is out of play, well I guess the SU pilot is not stupid enough to try and score a kill at 50miles is he? Plus, no SU can detect a Raptor at that distance as far as I know, unless it has some really good sensors on it, however, the moment you score an ATA kill at 50miles, I shall give you my CBR600 because that's nearly impossible
@verdebusterAP The SU27 and F22 are basically the same in a dogfight, the Su27 can sustain a little more G's (Not talking about the SU37 because the Raptor doesn't stand a chance against this one) , has a little more manoeuvrability, and a better thrust, but the nozzles are just like the F22's, one dimensional. And no forward canards. This is a plane from 77, what did you expect? And it still makes a HUGE stand against the F22. Which made it's first flight on 97.
@verdebusterAP The SU27 and F22 are basically the same in a dogfight, the Su27 can sustain a little more G's (Not talking about the SU37 because the Raptor doesn't stand a chance against this one) , has a little more manoeuvrability, and a better thrust, but the nozzles are just like the F22's, one dimensional. And no forward canards. This is a plane from 77, what did you expect? And it still makes a HUGE stand against the F22. Which made it's first flight on 97.
@r4f4st4n1 если я тебя правильно понял то ты слегка глуповат,так как на F-22 двигатели с ОТКЛОНЯЕМЫМ вектором тяги(только по вертикали), а на Su-37 двигатели с ИЗМЕНЯЕМЫМ вектором тяги(то есть в любом направлении)
@hwestbc It does what? The F22 has a chance against the SU37? On where? Tom clancys HAWX where 4 SU37s get their ass whooped by 4 F14s? LOL That's possible if the american pilots are in the SU's and the russians are on the F14s. Get over it, its realitic, SU27>F22. SU37 is FAR AWAY from F22, like really FAR AWAY
@r4f4st4n1 the f-22 would take down an su-35 with no hesitation , so yes the f-22s does stand a chance , and i dont get why people compare 4.5 gen to 5th gen tech , thats like you trying to say an ipod 4gen nano is better than an ipod touch.
Also, idc if it's 5th gen, the SU's have more maneuverability therefore the upper hand in a dogfight, so the SU's will win for sure. Also, their thrust is better.
@r4f4st4n1 sure not? really now? , just because its the most maneuverable aircraft in the world doesnt mean it cant get shot down , besides you can't shot down soming you cant see , also may i bring up the hmd and the aim 9X with thrust vectoring , you can try an do all those circus tricks but there useless , all the pilot has to do is look an shot and thats pretty much a wrap. and if the su-35 is so called better then why is russian building pak fa? , hmm? cus they know the su-35 would lose.
@jc005e I didn't say a maneuverable plane can't get shot down, but in a dogfight it WILL have the upper hand, it has always been like that, of course for people that don't know shit about air force, thats news. Russia needs a STEALTH jet, something they didn't have, the SU47 isn't stealth, neither the SU37, Jeez, you seriously are an idiot. "beside american pilots are much more trained and experinced than russian pilots." THATS JUST HILARIOUS I DIED LAUGHING LOL.
@r4f4st4n1 also the f-22 can do just about every thing the su-35 can do , it doesnt need 3d thrust vectoring , plus the f-22 has less drag and a good thrust to weight ratio with a full paylaod unlike the su-35 witch is very draggy and heavy with a full paylaod , dont get me wrong sukhois are very good planes but the chances of one downing an f-22 is very small tho its possible , beside american pilots are much more trained and experinced than russian pilots.
@r4f4st4n1 since when did i say it was more maneuverable? , i said the f-22 can do anything the su-35 can do the f-22 doesn't need 3d thrust vectoring , its already design to maneuver at high agles of attack , an thats true that it does but when the fuel is at half in a raptor the f-22 has thrust to weight ratio or 1.26. which is way beyond 1.1
@jc005e As I said, the SU27 has more accelaration at low speeds, the F22 has more thrust at mach 2+ (notice the 20+ years of difference between these two) But then again, good luck having a dogfight at mach 2+ LOL. In a dogfight the F22 doesnt stand a chance, it's more of a stealth jet with no other capabilities, unlike the PAKFA that has incredible maneuverability and stealth at the same time, not mentioning the thrust or stability.
@r4f4st4n1 and thats what makes the f-22 so leathal because of stealth , not only that but thrsut vectoring supercuise and a first look first shot kill weapons system , and by the time pak fa enters service our f-22s will be upgraded making it better than what the raptor is today just like what we did with our other planes , and the f-22 does stand a chances flying mach 2 or not , all them flips j-turns cobras... f-22 can do them all.
@jc005e Stealth barely works in a dogfight LOL, so quit arguing with it, no point really. And stop predicting the future, I can also say Russia is developing another stealth jet the PAKFA2 T60 which is the upgraded version of the T50.. Seriously, Get real. In a dogfight, maneuverability is what matters the most.
@r4f4st4n1 if you say stealth is useless in a dog fight then why is russia trying to buid a so called stealth aircraft? and yes stealth does work bvr but not in visual range , and to be very honest its the pilot not the plane , so you put a very good trained pilot in the seat of an f-22 , combined both and u get a lethal flying machine lol , yea maneuverbility is important but its the pilot that matters and we both know russia hardly trains there pilots like americans do..........
@jc005e I think what you meant to say is Russians train their pilots their own way nothing like we do here. They're purely trained for their role and now with money, fuel and new recruits I'd almost say they're doing even better. They're dogfights real time simulations is almost routine day in and day out - specifically Kubinka Air Base Moscow. Then upon promotion after successful tests they are stationed abroad many bases in Russia. And only the best and qualified while the rest are reassigned.
@jc005e And he is right, to depend on only skilled pilot with the ability to push a button at stand off distance sending a missile silo to knock out opponents is counter productive at best. In a true dogfight as the dimwhits learned the hard way its about the guns, the maneuverability and the pilots guts - screw the rest, stealth is purely for sneeking in but no good when spotted miles away. These are basic lessons from WWI, WWII, Korean War and most importantly Vietnam...
@jc005e IT IS barely useful in a dogfight, however for surprise attacks against ground targets or anything else it's good, it's always an advantage. Russian/Isreali pilots are real pilots compared to the american ones, same goes for ground forces, they can't improvise and when it comes to dogfights that requires SKILL, the russians will take the upper hand in a dogfight. So now that you realized that US aircraft ain't nothing you attack the pilots and fail again? What will you do next?
The only flaw I see with the Cobra maneuver is that it can avoid the first missile attack, but what about a second? During the Cobra maneuver, the plane can only go less than 40 mph once it recovers. Easy prey for another missile! :O
RusskieHunter13 2 days ago
@RusskieHunter13
Cobra maneuver isn't for avoiding missiles but to be used in dog fighting(to suddenly get behind the enemy) or to have sudden turn capability."the plane can only go less than 40 mph once it recovers" it's utter nonsense to me if we already established the first.While mentioning first strike capability compare RuAf missiles and radars to ones used in USAF.If radar can see target 300km away and has missile to strike it-like Russian R-37M,who has first strike?
BoxyTheSpaceDog 1 day ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog Anybody can say anything, but that doesn't prove what will actually happen on the real battlefield. It's my opinion that the Flankers might be useless with their maneuvers. For one it's never been proven in combat, at least I don't think and not only that, but the Russian Federation only has two Su-35/37's made! Not even an air squadron yet :P
RusskieHunter13 1 day ago
@RusskieHunter13
Your every comment revels how little of RuAf you know.Maneuvers are practiced because they are used in combat.Where has Usaf encountered Russian planes flown by Russian pilots,where maneuvers have been disapproved?Where has Stealth or rather against whom has it been proven?In Iraq when all AA positions and radar stations were already taken out and over Serbia-resulted in 3 F-117 damaged.Su-37 is now Su-30MK(with 3D vectoring)and Russia has enough of those.
BoxyTheSpaceDog 1 day ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog No offense but the Su-30MK sucks, I mean maybe it does have thrust vectoring but how many do you know were used in action against ANYONE, like I said unproven. I have no idea how any of these aircraft fair with the real world, but I'll go with the pros and agree that USAF is and will always be the number one air force in the world! Russian stuff might be cool and all, but America is where it's at.
RusskieHunter13 1 day ago
@RusskieHunter13
Su-30 was used(export version) by India Su-30MKI in war games (Red Flag) in US and plane defeated all US planes it encountered but only lost to F-22.But that's according to their data since Usaf AWACS picked up the results.It is true that not even one Su-27 has never encountered US plane and US plane never encountered decent airforce also so it goes both ways.Only in W.War you might get your wish but do you really want that?You underestimate Russian potential.
BoxyTheSpaceDog 1 day ago
@BoxyTheSpaceDog Ehhh...We all know both would destroy each other no matter what. It's been shown throughout all wars.
RusskieHunter13 1 day ago
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SOBRKZ 1 week ago
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The problem with this aircraft is that the thrustvectoring bleeds so much energy from the aircraft during turns. F-22 has the upperhand because it has a much better sustained turn rate, it does not get low on airspeed.
At the Su-30 vs. F-16 and F-15 in india, the su-30 sometimes stalled in mid-air, because the TVC would take the speed away in turns. then the F-15/16's would just climb and drill the indian brains out with guns.
JVC7400 3 weeks ago
@JVC7400 You're talking about the Cope India exercises right? You do realise the US got drubbed 4:1?!
pacus123 3 weeks ago
@pacus123 This was not cope india, this was red flag. at cope india the USA always had to fly 4 F-15C's VS. 12 indian aircraft (Mirage 2000 Mig-27 Mig-29 Su-30). + the indian side had a big help because the rules were no long-shot's. this was a huge advantage to the indians because they had the numbers on their side.
JVC7400 3 weeks ago
@JVC7400 I am glad you brought these deficiencies up as this is normally how opposing air forces have had to deal with the US air force (Iraq war and the Balkans). In reality the ratios they've had to face have been a LOT worse.
The pilots flying the SU30s in Red Flag were inexperienced in flying Su30s.
pacus123 2 weeks ago
@pacus123 Yes, because the indians would ONLY bring their vets to fly at redflag. as soon as the average pilot flew, the f-15 / f-16 nailed the Su-30's this was wih average american pilots.
JVC7400 2 weeks ago
@JVC7400 No, that is not what I said. I said the indian pilots at redflag were NOT vets. Also the SU30MKI was a new plane that the Indians were flying. Previously they'd flown a different model and had more experience with it (MK from memory). The fact of the matter is experienced Indian pilots flying the SU30s gave the Americans an absolute arse pounding. I mean it was embarrassing to the point they were considering reactivating the F22 programme! LOL!
pacus123 2 weeks ago
@pacus123 It is embarrasing that you would compare two aircraft with almost two decades of age diffrence...
The F-22's are in service.
JVC7400 1 week ago
@pacus123 You can watch the red flag lecture, the pilot who flew there with name and all can tell you.
JVC7400 1 week ago
I agree. The canards are purely for manicured air maneuvers but will eventually become a problem at high G turns. It's simple air and flow dynamics, don't know why they decided to put them on. Looks nice tho.
911firefight 1 month ago
what is this a mock in the U.S? this aircraft doesnt even exist anymore due to its very low stability causing it to crash often there was a certain U.S ACE pilot who took down an su-37 on his f-16
Acecombatrules59 1 month ago
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YouTheory 2 months ago
just one question whats this talk about sensors getting wet and tanks getting wet. some one care to elaborate?
firebirdbill89gta 2 months ago
We don't have a plane to match the SU37 other than the f22.The only advantage if any is the f22's avionics if thats the case anymore.This is a fact.
joseph150ish 2 months ago
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TheJohnnytophat 2 months ago
what is the song playing?! i fucking love it!!!!!
SignoreDieDemoni 2 months ago
I tried to accept Mikhail's challenge against my US made paper airplane and he quickly declined it after discovering it had a 300 win to zero losses record against house flies. 0_0
vfIskullangel 2 months ago
Сколько безмозглых кретинов неграмотных тут собралось.
Вот уж правда: "Боже храни Америку!"
А то поубивают друг друга своей глупостью. Куда потом столько гниющих трупов?)))))
RussBETEP 2 months ago
Sorry Russian friends, but the days of conventional dogfighting are over. Today, air dominance is all about killing the opponent before he realises you are there. Air dominance is typically long range missile attacks performed in secret. Your Su-37 lacks the stealthy edge of the f-22, and has even lost to the f-22 in european simulations 10/1. Fancy things like thrust vectoring are completely irrelevant now. Now manouverability is just a simple precaution.
AngrySwampManStudios 3 months ago
yes she a good dog fighter though a dog fight the last part of air to air combat now. in sort the f22 just kill the su 37 or 47 BVR. then vs the the su 37 in a dog fight the f22 still on par not as good but to be honest the better pilot would take the fight not te better jet.
starknight97 4 months ago
Lots of folks here are saying the F22 is better than the SU and vice versa. I don't know but I think the real proof will be given to us when this two really find itself in war... At that point I'd be very very afraid of the impending blood shed =(
All I know, these warbirds are amazing pieces of technology, not to mention that "form following function" is such a masterpiece! O.o
riflebore 4 months ago
Russian rationale is a failure. If Sukhoi's are as good as you say, then why does the F-15 Eagle have an amazing kill ratio against almost all Russian fighters.. Propaganda bullshit ruskies. Its getting old, get over it, you lost the cold war, America's still standing strong.
DailyStaley 4 months ago
The aircraft that has a higher supersonic capability, superior avionics and vastly smaller radar profile always, always, always chooses when and how to engage the opponent. It doesn't matter how tight your turning radius is, you will never shoot down a competent pilot in a craft you cannot engage without his permission. It's literally strategy 101. "Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win."-Sun Tzu
Advantage F-22. Period.
AIgernon 4 months ago
этот самолёт потерян) чем гордится
Sanchitos368 5 months ago
I appologize for losely throwing around the terms Su33 and Su37. They are so closely related i fudge my typing and swap the names around. I love both equally so both names come to mind at the same time. Flankers 4 life :D F22s belong in a land fill next to the tax payer's dollars spent on it >:)
scoped98k 5 months ago
I'm pretty sure I'd rather have the Su33 than an F22 because you can produce a ton of Su33s at a much lower price AND the 33 still out performs the more costly F22. To all of those hating on the Su33 and Su47 since you can't afford one go and buy a video game with all three planes in it and I Challenge you to make the F22 out fly the 33 or 47. Shit, if the Su33 flies anything like the Yellow Squadron Aircraft from Ace Combat 6 the F22 mindswell not leave the hanger because the 33 flies on rails.
scoped98k 5 months ago
30 people are F22 fans
IIdman 5 months ago
soo why the f22 was canceled if it so great??? why no one have answered a 15 yeras old challenge whit the remain Su 37???...american propaganda its just that like JSF "waste od money" program XD
mauricioalfredo83 5 months ago
@mauricioalfredo83 300 Billion dollar aircraft and who are the Americans going to use it against??? Anyone with a modern economy and military will not beat the Americans......so if anything, why did the Americans ever waste 300 billion a plane when no one would fuck with them?
Also, why would the Americans let the world see their aircraft in action and let everyone try to beat the stealth capabilites and their advanced radar? Propaganda claims from a Russian is fucking hillarious.
daguzify 5 months ago
@daguzify /watch?v=GjPY1-JgZYE&feature=related SU-27
harris3693 4 months ago
Fun Fact....... 50% of all Su-37s have crashed
CBlackjr 5 months ago
@CBlackjr prove it faggot.....
harris3693 4 months ago
@harris3693 stupid bitch its in the news you dumb hill billy dipshit. Pick up a fucking paper.
CBlackjr 4 months ago
@harris3693 and how fucking gay are you to backtrack one month on youtube comments to reply to something thats fact. Since your a fucking retard I'll briefly explain. Only two Su-37 were made and one crashed in Dec of 2002 which killed the program. Only the Su-35 is being produced.
CBlackjr 4 months ago
@CBlackjr due su37 and su35 same ! su35 is made for russian airforce and su37 are for other countries !
inouelenhatduy 4 months ago
@inouelenhatduy actually it isn't. The 37 is derived from the 35 but its more advanced and more expensive. The Russians decided that the 35 was a better option due to cost and the development of the t-50
CBlackjr 4 months ago
this is a fucking joke, the su 37 is nothing but a test plane that failed horribly because the su 35 was a piece of shit, the overal design is way too manoverable for any modern pilot to handle and the controls were known to be unresponsive during turning manovers, these would be killed and hunted down by raptors, it would be suicide for a rusian pilot to fight something he cannot see and would not be able to hide from an f22 either
packr72 6 months ago
Su-37 hahahah . only 2 of them were produced one crashed , and you are telling me that this shit can beat a raptor ... please ... are you dumb or what , pride aside but , YOU CANT KILL WHAT YOU CANT SEE ... plus the raptor has faaaar better rockets ... and basically without it ... fighters will be the same as agricultural planes :D
sedmoagalnikful 6 months ago
@sedmoagalnikful Su-37 is anti-stealth and the Su-37 can do easy missile evades.
BusinessKi11ER 5 months ago
Plane (su27) can make crazy moves but there is a "human factor" (pilot) who cant withstand too many G's.
jagh1410 6 months ago
Su-37 is not the best, but it still shivers fears down the enemy spine!
BusinessKi11ER 6 months ago
the su-37 is a very good lookin plane and its a good plane to but in my opiaon the f-22 is better p.s. please try not to said "hateful" replies because i was exspresing my opiaon on the su-27 and some hater called me an idiot and i think that was uncalled for thumbs up if u agree
MrEric4012 6 months ago
there are only 2 su-37 in the world , and 150 f 22 :D:D:D lol
gdiogliidze 6 months ago
@gdiogliidze idiot ?
Roofius2 5 months ago
Guys i am one to really talk down the Americans, and I really love the flanker family of aircraft, but this machine will not beat a F22 raptor. The raptor would destroy the AEW&C and then hunt down the flanker knowing the whole time where the flanker was. And the flanker wouldn't be the wiser until it was being engaged. It's just as simple as that, in a dog fight at close range sure, the flanker with heat seekers would have my bet, but in a war. No.
addys 6 months ago
@addys well, check out this vid about the flanker, it was literally the F-22: /watch?v=GjPY1-JgZYE&feature=related
harris3693 4 months ago
Not another war video overrun with Russiofags...
trivipesnipe 7 months ago
A lot of American pilots were saying the same as this prick but when the F-22 was unveiled with its 2D thrust vectoring nozzles the Cobra maneuver has miraculously become western favorite :/
strizhi 7 months ago 4
@strizhi cobra manuever is good for show but terrible for real war, you can't move that slowly and expect to win a dogfight, being fast and taking agile turns is whats important IF the fight gets close.
prjerry7 3 months ago
@prjerry7 Tell that to the Raptor pilots LOL...Russian Sukhoi planes had this manuever down at least 20 years before and US flyboy's were dogging it like you. Now they are gleeming with a new hype everytime at any airshow with F-22 in it. It's a backup for close encounter evading locking systems, confusing radar and most importantly of all forcing the attacking pilot to reverse course of action. It was always an added bonus for the Russians because they had fast and agility before hand.
strizhi 3 months ago
@strizhi im not trying to defame Russian fighters but i wouldnt kiss their butts so much. In EVERY WAR where Russian weaponry confronted American weaponry the Russian was out-classed.
This includes Vietnam [2 mil vietkong died], Korea [mig alley 1-10 US favor], USSR invasion of Afghanistan [US rpg], Gulf War [hundreds of Russian tanks destroyed 0 American], Current Iraq/Afghan wars, ETC.
prjerry7 3 months ago
@prjerry7 Welcome to Russia's 20th century dogfighting tactic and America's 21st century. If you're close and you're fast and agile chances are you'll miss on both ends, but with insaine manuevers produced by 3D thrust vectors it really turns tables on the aggressor. I think if the Russians were smart enough to keep guns on their planes throughout the 60's and 70's they're smart enough to realize what dogfights tend to need. I'd trust their experience over our lessons learned the hard way.
strizhi 3 months ago
@strizhi You do know F-22 can pull tighter turns then pretty much anything when in cruise right?
Also, Americans were wrong with thinking missiles would render dogfighting useless in the 70's but now stealth is a game changer [or so we think] so in 2 decades we will see.
prjerry7 3 months ago
@strizhi Funny how the kid that worships the US government keeps using arguments against you that I always countered, such as naming china made soviet tanks in the gulf war (MEDIUM TANKS) in this case that didn't stand a chance against MBTs (Abrams) Yet if you bring up the T90 he will shit himself saying it's a copy of the T72 LOL. Abrams is also a copy of the sherman. Sent him mills of vids and sources that he ignored, maybe he does make part of the US gov.
r4f4st4n1 3 months ago
I'm Italian, so quite neutral in the confrontation F-22 vs. Sukhoi-37, and I have to say I would rather put my ass on a -37, should I have to face a dogfight....the Cobra allows you to put in front of your missiles an adversary which was behind you just seconds before...great job, Sukhoi! Bravi!
nandoscala 7 months ago
russian power.. if the profeshional boxer know he can kik ur ass he has no problem taking u on the street if u challenge him .. but if he scared and dose not wanna fight he pussy and he know he migh or he will lose the fight... im talking about us staping down to a challenge and russians are no jest so guy asking 4 a challenge they profesionals jest like us is but usa did not want to cuz they knew they was going to loooooooøse
Russia0213 8 months ago
F-22 beats Su-37
MRFBMELO 8 months ago
Finally, the USAF doesn't need or want to show off every tactic and technology showcased with this plane. Every heard of the saying "element of surprise?"
shredtastic 8 months ago
And for those of you wondering why the U.S. didn't jump at the chance to mock-battle this plane, you don't understand international politics in the least. For one, the USAF feels no need to step up to any random challenge, as they know the plane they have, and what it can do. A professional boxer doesn't fight any random guy that challenges him on the street. Well, perhaps an ignorant Russian one might.
shredtastic 8 months ago
@shredtastic And your one makeing excuses for the ineptness of the USAF useing some lame "boxer chalenger" theroy LMAO as if Sukoi is't a major challenger to Lockeed in the arms buisness ,all I have to say is they were afraid the craptor might have one of it's computer failures or any of the numerous problems come to light to the general public internationaly ,in simple terms they were afraid the craptor might fall out of the sky like the one in Alaska did !........
kamphwagon1 8 months ago
The Su-37 might be able to pull tighter turns, as the 3-D thrust vectoring allows it to turn at lower velocities, so the G-load on the pilot is not as severe as cornering tightly at higher speed. However, as has been stated, external pylons on the Su-37 loaded with missiles, will essentially negate that since the wings won't be able to support the added load.uman pilots, no matter which country they come from.
shredtastic 8 months ago
What an incredible heap of mis-information posted here... I don't even know where to start.
I keep seeing completely false posts about SU's sustaining higher G loads than an F-22. All of these planes could sustain 9+ G's, but are limited by their human pilots. Sustained G loads black out human pilots, no matter which country they come from.
shredtastic 8 months ago
Yet more typical russian junk based off technology stolen from the USA..... russia military is now a joke....
Oso1G 8 months ago
A SAM counts as a aircraft...
vsmartin007 9 months ago
Su37 will tear a Raptor apart on a very few rounds, and the pilot of the Raptor will die.
Not the enemy you want to meet while airborne :D
SplatterMack123 9 months ago
Wasnt Su-27 shot down by another mig during chchen war? or was it gound fire? can anyone confirm?
looxgood 10 months ago
Su-37 vs F-22
Ok F-22 stealthier faster equal maneuverability and still around
Su-37 mobile but gone. Program gone and the only 1 crashed
GOAF2014 10 months ago
@GOAF2014 f22 is in not production and that f22 is so lame that it cant even comunicate with other planes,it has old pc unit(from 80's)and it cant be upgraded,its 2 expensive to maintain it,u need 34 working hours 4 2 hours of flight and each f22 needs to get paint(the stealth absortion)evry month.and guess what!it was shoted down in libya and after that usaf said that none f22 will fly over libya again.so f22 is only good at wasting money.
itachiitachi1946 9 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 F-22A is in production and the production doesn't end until late 2012 look it up. The F-22A acts as a short range AWACS at time, it can communicate with not just other US planes, but NATO planes. Red Flag, Northern Edge, multiple other air combat simulations, the F-22A communicates with planes from other nations.
GOAF2014 9 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 The F-22A has been upgraded from just AMRAAM, to AMRAAM & JDAM, to AMRAAM JDAM and SDB and soon will carry the newest SDB. Its software has been upgraded from Block 10 to Block 30. The paint on the F-22A is only vulnerable to flaking from going beyond its specified top speed of Mach 2.5. Beyond that, the stressed are too great and it peels.
GOAF2014 9 months ago
@GOAF2014 block 10 to block 30?WTF? u think thats its an f16? rly WTF? the only upgrade that they tried 4 f22 was to make it able 4 ground targets(naming it also as f/a22).but even that upgrade failed and they stoped the production rate of f22.u rly r a douchebag.oh get lost.i had enough of ur lame excuses already
itachiitachi1946 9 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 The F-16 is at Block 60. Block just mean class or upgrade level. It was named the F/A-22 long before it entered service BEFORE it began a F-22A. The F-22A is still finishing its funded production, the last one to come out likely in 2012. Everyone knows this kid
GOAF2014 9 months ago
@GOAF2014 The AMRAAM was compatible with the YF-22's software so no upgrade was needed. The upgrades were needed for the JDAM SDB and newest SDB to come out soon. USAF Factsheet F-22A Raptor-One M61A2 20-millimeter cannon with 480 rounds, internal side weapon bays carriage of two AIM-9 infrared (heat seeking) air-to-air missiles
GOAF2014 9 months ago
@GOAF2014 and internal main weapon bays carriage of six AIM-120 radar-guided air-to-air missiles (air-to-air loadout) or two 1,000-pound GBU-32 JDAMs and two AIM-120 radar-guided air-to-air missiles (air-to-ground loadout)
GOAF2014 9 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 The F-22A is now getting RAM mats instead of RAM paint and it does not need replacement monthly. And the last thing you said was a total lie. 1st the only US aircraft lost over Libya was an F-15E Strike Eagle and it crashed due to mechanical malfunctions. 2nd the F-22A was not sent to Libya, get your story straight.
GOAF2014 9 months ago
@GOAF2014 don't worry if there ever will be a war will see.
USAirForceJacob 9 months ago
@GOAF2014 jdam? u know that jdam is air to ground bomb? u know that jdam cannot even put inside of f22?and even if it could then the f22 cannot be upgraded to have that bomb.u know that slam er was created for f22 but f22 is so lame that they changed their plans and they added slam er to f18,f15,and f16? u know shit kido.and btw f22 was shot down over libya.get ur facts straight before u start lieing online.and f15 has been proved that has been locked on and shoted down pover lybia.stop lieing!!
itachiitachi1946 9 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 The 1000 lbs JDAM fits perfectly into the F-22A's weapons bay. The SLAM-ER was designed for the F/A-18 to replace the HARM. The F-22A hasnt been sent to Libya, yet again something everyone knows. Also, the F-15E that crashed was in largely in 1 piece, had it been shot down, it's parts would've been strewd over miles get it right and do some godforsaken research
GOAF2014 9 months ago
I really like this plane.. :-)
Of course, I've only flown it on Ace Combat.. but I think only the Berkut can actually beat it.. Then again, it's just a video game..
Besides, I just use the Fishbeds and F5s now, just for fun. :-)
myquill23 10 months ago
Su-37 is too much. F-22 have beaten by Su-27 during exercise. Even some USAF pilot said that Su-27SM is the best dogfighter in the airforce.
MiG359NTF 11 months ago
@MiG359NTF..the F-22 and the SU-37 never have, and never would do exercises together. You think on a slow Sunday they decided to just go up and have ait to air combat simulation? Sorry, the real world doesnt work like that.
HerculesRockefellerr 11 months ago
@HerculesRockefellerr But the Su-30 MKI, which BTW has all the thrust vectoring of the Su-37, has fought against USAF F15 and F16. USAF still pwns.
vk45de 10 months ago
@HerculesRockefellerr I didn't said that Su-37 and F-22 exercise together. It's Su-27 and actually Su-35BM, Su-30, and Su-27 (red team) owned F-22, F-35, and F/A-18 (blue team) with shocking score.
MiG359NTF 10 months ago
@MiG359NTF Really, weird how the F-35 is not even flown by the Air Force or Navy yet but you claim it took part in war games with russian planes.
HerculesRockefellerr 10 months ago
@HerculesRockefellerr f22 has been beated by su37 and even su27.and to be more precise it was during red flag 2004 when 4 f22s were against 1 su-27.also f22 was beaten by a greek f16 during red flag 2008(agressors of usaf lost by greeks with a score 18-3).so those facts(and other many facts also)prove that f22 is just a scrap of metal.
itachiitachi1946 9 months ago
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HerculesRockefellerr 9 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 The Su-37 crashed before the F-22A entered service dude. In June, 2006, twelve F-22As of the 27th FW deployed from Langley AFB to Elmendorf AFB for the Northern Edge 2006 exercise. During this exercise the F-22As scored 144:0 in air combat engagements against opposing fighters.
GOAF2014 9 months ago
@GOAF2014 ''the f22 scored 144:00''......do u hvae facts/links/proves about that? no? u dont have? then SHUT YOUR MOUTH BITCH!
itachiitachi1946 9 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 So immature, yelling and cursing for no reason. And actually, anyone can look it up, but I found a few just for you. Sent to your inbox
GOAF2014 9 months ago
If war between Russia and US will happen most likely it will turn in to nuclear war. And in nuclear war will be no winners. Plains and tanks is good for kicking harmless people like Vietnamese or Irak's. Who can't really fight back! (Big americans tank's immune to tine Palestinian rocks)
2JoshC 11 months ago
Shooting down arab MiGs doesn't mean that the russian air force fighters too can be outmaneuvered. That's a stupid estimation. Remember the korean war?
ichbintharaka 11 months ago
its the best! russia!
davidtemka 1 year ago
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this the truth yes it is
MrPunkskametal 1 year ago
yeah try the thrust vectoring fuckin f 22
MrPunkskametal 1 year ago
There is a dude getting around in a Fokker D1 that would wax any of these kats.....
thezorba1 1 year ago
Russia has the best airforce in the world--FACT. And everyone knows it, simple. Story ends here.
r4f4st4n1 1 year ago
@r4f4st4n1 what story of how lame the russian airforce is ,lol here is the facts , US working its second 5th gen, Russian barely got it's first off the ground after 4 yrs of delays. stealth aircraft built to date in the us ,over 11
stealth aircraft built in russia , 1 pure stealth design , and lets no forget the UAV and UCAVs
russia's not even close , so far behind it's pitful
verdebusterAP 1 year ago
@verdebusterAP You can shoot down a UAV with a pistol, what's the point of it? Spy? Russians have many ways of doing it. What plane does the US has? Craptor? A jet that cant fly for more than 2hours and can't get wet? Plus, a SU27 can easily shoot one down in a dogfight? Oh please, imagine what piece of cake it would be for the PAKFA or the SU37/SU47.
r4f4st4n1 1 year ago
@r4f4st4n1 the point is that despite age, a weapon is a still a weapon thats the point
please the F-22 owns anything russia flies, for starters , the plane its replaces, the F-15 has owned every piece of russian trash that has crossed its path, two its called inflight refueling ,look up the term
Su-27, outranged and outclassed by the F-22, Su-37 junk and PAK FA useless junk
verdebusterAP 1 year ago
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@verdebusterAP /watch?v=KaoYz90giTk
Why even bring up the F22? I just anser that with this vid.. Oh and this one aswell. watch?v=bCfg5VoBd6Q
the F-15 has owned every piece of russian trash that has crossed its path
That's not what the Vietnam pilots said, in fact, americans feared the MIGs, and what conflict did the F15 enter rofl? Under the control of Israelis? VS the mirages? Well it's obvious, Israelis are the best pilots in the world.
r4f4st4n1 1 year ago
@r4f4st4n1 and the other point of UAVs is that they are next generation of warfare. the predator has proved useless of UAV and everyone is onboard. Apaches can control UAVs now/ the navy is looking to turn retire F-18s in UCAV . and the point is obvious , if you have a F-18 vs Su-33 , on normal day its 50/50 fight but now make the F-18 an UCAV, no pilot , in the aircraft so now the f-18 can be pushed well beyond any human whereas the plioted Su-33 is still constrained by human limitations
verdebusterAP 1 year ago
@shmakuha proof please..
hide86 1 year ago
@stalingradComando and you hit it with a 50cal countless times to get the direct experience backing up your claims right?
hide86 1 year ago
Russia jednom i zauvek ! Russia No.1 :)
1968drale 1 year ago
To maneuver like that would require lots of fuel and I see not many places to store that much fuel onboard, as with American fighters.
msarka64 1 year ago
the only important thing here is that the challenge was not picked up by no one. If Americans and NATO countries are so confident of their aircrafts, pilots and air forces they would pick up a challenge without hesitation. But, as far as I can see, the only combat NATO is capable of winning is a "story-telling" combat made up of facts, lies and other jibberish.
I don`t say russian planes and pilots are the best but they have thrown a challenge and that`s the most convincible argument
gulag1979 1 year ago
@gulag1979 why in the hell would our government give anyone a show? sure i'd like to see that dog fight, but a mach dog fight would also be totally pointless,as the f-22 is primarily suited for air to air combat and uses stealth and electronic warfare to win,chances are that in a mach-dog fight the su-37 would win,however chances are if it came down to it in real life,the f-22 would blow the hell out of it before any response,besides our goverment is very secretive when it comes to weapons.
umwhoalol 1 year ago
@umwhoalol yeah, but you are conscious that this is just talking.That would be like a car race where every competitor says he`s the best and no one goes on the track. just talking, sorry. I repeat, I can`t say who would win cause these planes are all excellent. But I laugh when people here claim victory using factory specifications. An example is a state of the art F117 shot over serbia with 30 years old rusty SAM equipment. On paper such thing would be impossible, but in reality...
gulag1979 1 year ago
@gulag1979 ah thats why i say chances are,of course if a war were to break out im sure there would be some f22s and such that would be shot down by some su37s,however when i say chances are,i mean if they went up against each other 100 times,i can say honestly do to no f22s being shot down EVER,that they'd win most of the time,and ya,incompetance such as the case in serbia can lead to ANY machines downfall. even if they are state of the art... just glad you werent a total dick like most on here
umwhoalol 1 year ago
@umwhoalol Comments without a reasonable argument are senseless. Especially when someone says american weapons are worthless. Even the Russians admit that USA is the only superpower in the world. So when we speak of US we think of the top of the class. I like to see other countries developing modern weapons which can stand against (or aside) american ones because that makes the world more interesting. :)
gulag1979 1 year ago
F 22 is a good aircraft but su 37 is a great one
AtsoftcoT 1 year ago
Su37 will eat f22 for breakfast
AtsoftcoT 1 year ago 22
@AtsoftcoT false
NorthShoreFire3 9 months ago
@AtsoftcoT or not....
hwestbc 8 months ago
@AtsoftcoT I'd have to say no to that one. It really does depend on the pilot. And once again, this hasn't happened so I don't see where these predictions are coming from. Nobody ever counts the pilot. Another quick note; if it did come down to war, the F-22 would win by default, simply because the ratio of Su37s to F-22s is about 1 to 6. Look up the stats.
notessimodude 7 months ago
@jadger1871 heres a news flash, the raptor program is canceled due to budget cuts! Burn!
smilingmaskedturtle1 1 year ago
@smilingmaskedturtle1 not the Raptor's fault that Obama is an idiot
jadger1871 1 year ago
@jadger1871 amen to that! good old american politicians. dumb as a post and yet we call them our leaders.
smilingmaskedturtle1 1 year ago
@smilingmaskedturtle1 only thing I can see equal to this is the Avro Arrow's cancellation back in the day, but that one was more excusable. I'm sure many technologies developed for the Raptor will be incorporated into the next gen of aircraft tho just like the arrow
jadger1871 1 year ago
@jadger1871 thts only if we can afford to do that. and it doesnt look like we can afford the next gen fighter/bomber for quite a time.
smilingmaskedturtle1 1 year ago
@jadger1871 the raptor was designed 20 years ago,the project started many many years back :)) so what contribution does obama have? :)) you are the idiot :))
AlinFrost 1 year ago
@AlinFrost was in reference to the cancellation of the program, if you cared to pay attention at all to the discussion
jadger1871 1 year ago
@smilingmaskedturtle1 Another flash, there's no more Su-37's flying on the face of the earth..While there's 100+ raptors in active service..Burn..
hide86 1 year ago
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@hide86 heres a flash for you, they dont even fly to fight, they havent killed a single thing except budget, forget that retard? BURN BITCH!
smilingmaskedturtle1 1 year ago
The f-22 is muchh better
FreshPotatoMafia 1 year ago
I do agree, the su37 is good, but the eurofighter would win in air superiority. I'd love to see more work with the su47. F-22 is still the best, its just the wing design and engines mate, pure thrust will accomplish exactly what your aerodynamics have done with canards and high alpha.
matchbox2022 1 year ago
Russians always build things and label them as "most powerful" or "fastest ever built" ect.. But the overall quality seems to lack. Sure its sooo fast or soo powerful but is it accurate? When its carring missles actually hit anything?
101HeyNow 1 year ago
@101HeyNow and americans don`t claim their weapons as "most powerful"? as far as I can see, both nations do it. But when comes from US then it`s true and when comes from Russia(or other state) it`s false, not true, bad quality? such self arrogance makes your statements less credible and childish.
gulag1979 1 year ago
The F-22 Raptor would easily beat Su-37 Terminator. The Su-37 doesn't have stealth technology, stealth features, no radar track stealth aircraft, no supercruise, and lack in dogfight. F-22 have all those. The Su-37 can't escape from US Advance AIM-120D AMRAAM. So the Su-37 is terminated.
SilentEagles 1 year ago
@SilentEagles
FYI, not accounting for super maneuverability, advanced jamming systems, ability to exploit terrain against missiles, the pilot's ability to exploit a missile's energy/short burning time of a rocket engine, and the changing radar signature during rapid maneuvering the chance of a BVR kill with ANY missile is at most only about 20%. Also, there is a very simple trick that (in theory) will certainly break lock on any missile.
SukhoiSu47 1 year ago
@SilentEagles what do you say about state of the art F 117 (stealth, of course) being shot by an antique SAM over serbia? you glorify factory specifications.
gulag1979 1 year ago
@gulag1979 I say you are moron. lets look at your agruement shall we. a SAM shot a plane down ??
hello jackass , that what SAMs do ,that's why its call Surface to Air Missile. whether its built in 2011 or 1959
its a still missile. then battery commander admitted that brief periods that F-117s doors open were help. plus they had spotters out looking , the missile had to modified and finally the idiot USAF did not change up F-117s routes , all that just to get one plane, lame
verdebusterAP 1 year ago
@verdebusterAP I know it hurts, but it`s true. That plane was crucial for better understanding of US stelath technology, moron. And, moron, yes, the plane was shipped to Russia and probably China, moron. And, moron, if SAM from 1959. shot down your state-of-the-art plane, it means that it`s not state-of-the-art, moron.
Enough, moron...oh sorry, jackass..
gulag1979 1 year ago
@gulag1979 okay, ass apparently your dumbass cant find your ass with both hands and map let alone understand weapons. its does not matter how state of art of is jackass ,weapon is weapon stupid ass
whether is 1959 SAM or 1999 SAM, jackass they are still missiles and still. the 50.cal has been around since the 1920s but can still chew up any plane or helicopter, destroy most armor vehicles and modern tanks . so ass
it does not matter how high tech something.
got it stupid ass ?
verdebusterAP 1 year ago
@verdebusterAP UAVs/UCAVs= American pilots, can't improvise, which is 80% of what you have to do in battlefield, so yeah I guess it's a small evolution the USAF gets, However human pilots can easily take down a UAV, it's the machine vs man, obviously, the man is much more advanced, And the UCAVs don't even have the thrust of a jet, and most of them, lack the manoeuvrability it should have due to having no G's. Oh, and you're saying SU27 can't shoot down F22s? Study physics please.
r4f4st4n1 1 year ago
@r4f4st4n1 again with the Jackassery, you say study physics when its a well known fact that pilots are submiited to high G-forces , so a piloted plane is really going to win against a un plioted plane , what form of jackass are you, when its the current generation of UAV ,duh , but as I stated before, USN is taking UAV control systems and implanting them into F-18s , which will make a different game when fielded.
its not physics , its simple facts Su-27 is uselss again an F-22
verdebusterAP 1 year ago
@r4f4st4n1 fact number one,the russians claimed that the Su-35 with the Irbis-E can detect an F-22 at 50 miles , however it is also stated that the AIM-120C-7 has range of 55 miles and as the SU-27 is non-stealth
the F-22's APG-77 is going have that missile flying before the Su-35 even knows its there. so if the Su-35s currently the most modern in service fighter russia , has a that small of chance, then its a simple fact that the F-22 can dominate the Su-27 with ease
verdebusterAP 1 year ago
@verdebusterAP You still talking about the cancelled F22 Craptor? Didn't I send you this vid yet? /watch?v=KaoYz90giTk
Sorry if I didn't, Since the F22 is out of play, well I guess the SU pilot is not stupid enough to try and score a kill at 50miles is he? Plus, no SU can detect a Raptor at that distance as far as I know, unless it has some really good sensors on it, however, the moment you score an ATA kill at 50miles, I shall give you my CBR600 because that's nearly impossible
r4f4st4n1 1 year ago
@verdebusterAP The SU27 and F22 are basically the same in a dogfight, the Su27 can sustain a little more G's (Not talking about the SU37 because the Raptor doesn't stand a chance against this one) , has a little more manoeuvrability, and a better thrust, but the nozzles are just like the F22's, one dimensional. And no forward canards. This is a plane from 77, what did you expect? And it still makes a HUGE stand against the F22. Which made it's first flight on 97.
r4f4st4n1 1 year ago
@verdebusterAP The SU27 and F22 are basically the same in a dogfight, the Su27 can sustain a little more G's (Not talking about the SU37 because the Raptor doesn't stand a chance against this one) , has a little more manoeuvrability, and a better thrust, but the nozzles are just like the F22's, one dimensional. And no forward canards. This is a plane from 77, what did you expect? And it still makes a HUGE stand against the F22. Which made it's first flight on 97.
r4f4st4n1 1 year ago 23
@r4f4st4n1 but the nozzles are just like the F22's, one dimensional???lol)))
MultiDFreeman 1 year ago
@MultiDFreeman You don't know airforce and I'm not gona bother explaining it to you, gtfo :)
r4f4st4n1 1 year ago
@r4f4st4n1 если я тебя правильно понял то ты слегка глуповат,так как на F-22 двигатели с ОТКЛОНЯЕМЫМ вектором тяги(только по вертикали), а на Su-37 двигатели с ИЗМЕНЯЕМЫМ вектором тяги(то есть в любом направлении)
MultiDFreeman 11 months ago
@MultiDFreeman I'm not russian sorry, would love to learn it any time soon but ain't got the time :/ Mind translating?
r4f4st4n1 11 months ago
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@r4f4st4n1 but the nozzles are just like the F22's, one dimensional???lol....you fool
MultiDFreeman 1 year ago
@r4f4st4n1 im sorry, it does...
hwestbc 8 months ago
@hwestbc It does what? The F22 has a chance against the SU37? On where? Tom clancys HAWX where 4 SU37s get their ass whooped by 4 F14s? LOL That's possible if the american pilots are in the SU's and the russians are on the F14s. Get over it, its realitic, SU27>F22. SU37 is FAR AWAY from F22, like really FAR AWAY
r4f4st4n1 8 months ago
@r4f4st4n1 the f-22 would take down an su-35 with no hesitation , so yes the f-22s does stand a chance , and i dont get why people compare 4.5 gen to 5th gen tech , thats like you trying to say an ipod 4gen nano is better than an ipod touch.
jc005e 7 months ago
@jc005e LOL I'm sure.. NOT watch?v=KaoYz90giTk
Also, idc if it's 5th gen, the SU's have more maneuverability therefore the upper hand in a dogfight, so the SU's will win for sure. Also, their thrust is better.
r4f4st4n1 7 months ago
@r4f4st4n1 sure not? really now? , just because its the most maneuverable aircraft in the world doesnt mean it cant get shot down , besides you can't shot down soming you cant see , also may i bring up the hmd and the aim 9X with thrust vectoring , you can try an do all those circus tricks but there useless , all the pilot has to do is look an shot and thats pretty much a wrap. and if the su-35 is so called better then why is russian building pak fa? , hmm? cus they know the su-35 would lose.
jc005e 7 months ago
@jc005e I didn't say a maneuverable plane can't get shot down, but in a dogfight it WILL have the upper hand, it has always been like that, of course for people that don't know shit about air force, thats news. Russia needs a STEALTH jet, something they didn't have, the SU47 isn't stealth, neither the SU37, Jeez, you seriously are an idiot. "beside american pilots are much more trained and experinced than russian pilots." THATS JUST HILARIOUS I DIED LAUGHING LOL.
r4f4st4n1 7 months ago
@r4f4st4n1 also the f-22 can do just about every thing the su-35 can do , it doesnt need 3d thrust vectoring , plus the f-22 has less drag and a good thrust to weight ratio with a full paylaod unlike the su-35 witch is very draggy and heavy with a full paylaod , dont get me wrong sukhois are very good planes but the chances of one downing an f-22 is very small tho its possible , beside american pilots are much more trained and experinced than russian pilots.
jc005e 7 months ago
@jc005e F22 is NOT more maneuverable than the SU35, also the SU35 has more thrust. Then again the upper hand in a dogfight.
r4f4st4n1 7 months ago
@r4f4st4n1 since when did i say it was more maneuverable? , i said the f-22 can do anything the su-35 can do the f-22 doesn't need 3d thrust vectoring , its already design to maneuver at high agles of attack , an thats true that it does but when the fuel is at half in a raptor the f-22 has thrust to weight ratio or 1.26. which is way beyond 1.1
jc005e 7 months ago
@jc005e As I said, the SU27 has more accelaration at low speeds, the F22 has more thrust at mach 2+ (notice the 20+ years of difference between these two) But then again, good luck having a dogfight at mach 2+ LOL. In a dogfight the F22 doesnt stand a chance, it's more of a stealth jet with no other capabilities, unlike the PAKFA that has incredible maneuverability and stealth at the same time, not mentioning the thrust or stability.
r4f4st4n1 7 months ago
@r4f4st4n1 and thats what makes the f-22 so leathal because of stealth , not only that but thrsut vectoring supercuise and a first look first shot kill weapons system , and by the time pak fa enters service our f-22s will be upgraded making it better than what the raptor is today just like what we did with our other planes , and the f-22 does stand a chances flying mach 2 or not , all them flips j-turns cobras... f-22 can do them all.
jc005e 7 months ago
@jc005e Stealth barely works in a dogfight LOL, so quit arguing with it, no point really. And stop predicting the future, I can also say Russia is developing another stealth jet the PAKFA2 T60 which is the upgraded version of the T50.. Seriously, Get real. In a dogfight, maneuverability is what matters the most.
r4f4st4n1 7 months ago
@r4f4st4n1 if you say stealth is useless in a dog fight then why is russia trying to buid a so called stealth aircraft? and yes stealth does work bvr but not in visual range , and to be very honest its the pilot not the plane , so you put a very good trained pilot in the seat of an f-22 , combined both and u get a lethal flying machine lol , yea maneuverbility is important but its the pilot that matters and we both know russia hardly trains there pilots like americans do..........
jc005e 7 months ago
@jc005e I think what you meant to say is Russians train their pilots their own way nothing like we do here. They're purely trained for their role and now with money, fuel and new recruits I'd almost say they're doing even better. They're dogfights real time simulations is almost routine day in and day out - specifically Kubinka Air Base Moscow. Then upon promotion after successful tests they are stationed abroad many bases in Russia. And only the best and qualified while the rest are reassigned.
strizhi 7 months ago
@jc005e And he is right, to depend on only skilled pilot with the ability to push a button at stand off distance sending a missile silo to knock out opponents is counter productive at best. In a true dogfight as the dimwhits learned the hard way its about the guns, the maneuverability and the pilots guts - screw the rest, stealth is purely for sneeking in but no good when spotted miles away. These are basic lessons from WWI, WWII, Korean War and most importantly Vietnam...
strizhi 7 months ago
@jc005e IT IS barely useful in a dogfight, however for surprise attacks against ground targets or anything else it's good, it's always an advantage. Russian/Isreali pilots are real pilots compared to the american ones, same goes for ground forces, they can't improvise and when it comes to dogfights that requires SKILL, the russians will take the upper hand in a dogfight. So now that you realized that US aircraft ain't nothing you attack the pilots and fail again? What will you do next?
r4f4st4n1 7 months ago
@r4f4st4n1 what about the new F-35????
warhead2121 5 months ago
@warhead2121 The miniature F22 which has half of its' capabilities? What about it?
r4f4st4n1 5 months ago