The programme to upgrade SA80 from A1 to A2 and now to A3 standard has been an outstanding success. It has undoubtedly become a reliable weapon which also says a lot about the support infrastructure behind it. However, the L85 is much heavier than its rivals. With newer weapons such as the FN SCAR(L) and HK416 coming into service, the L85 is starting to show its age. There are also question marks about the long-range effectiveness of 5.56 mm ammo. For the moment, however, it works well.
the sa80 will be replacing the SUSAT with the ELCAN, which should increase the accuracy of the rifle especially over medium-long ranges, it also increases the area the soldier can see.
I'd like to see side-by-side tests between L85 & other current military rifles. There might be one on youtube but it's buried beneath a tonne of airsoft shit.
Most of you lot are a bunch of homos who've never used the fucking thing. Its a facking rifle. It shoots stuff, it does it well. I'll sum it up simply for you simple people out there:
Blank Firing: Facking 'orrible, but blanks are shite and smell like unwashed fanny
Live Firing: Mega, bullets come out and the fucker doesn't pack in
Cleaning: Easy. If you say its hard, fuck off and do some SAA lessons you cadet
Weight: You have noodle arms if you cant carry the cunt, man up cheese tits
i love this gun but i think i would never want to get in a fight with it cause i have the fear that it can jam badly.its just a fact but if it happens iam fucked
Ak47 has no where near the range and accuracy of the SA80. The bullpup allows a longer barrel in a shorter rifle Thus more accuracy and more range, more power.
Even with the A3 upgrades ( picatinny forend, acog/ elcan, pmag) it's still heavy, and there's no real advantages of a bullpup over a traditional m4 type rifle. Recoil is also a lot worse than an M4. The Daniel Defense rail system makes it damn heavy. I think the MOD needs to stop polishing this turd. MOD also just renewed the contract with HK, so this weapon is not getting changed for another 8 to 10 years.
@collieoVTEC I only fired K2 and M16 which never failed me and I'm not gonna have any chance to touch that "THING". Since I blame sa80 without firing it, you earned right to blame K2. Give me your best shot.
@crazyeyesJD If maintainced proferly, k-2 never jams while sa80 does in PROFER MAINTAINCED. Of course that CHEAP and HEAVY AK47 is better than EXPENSIVE AND EXTRA HEAVY sa80. PS. I never blamed about it's accuracy.
@Halongas To be honest mate, whether its good or not is kind of irrelevant I think, with the budget and personell cuts going on right now, think the British army will have to live with the SA80 for another 20 years anyway.
@50CaliberElliot How many times did you went to the range? On my boot camp, I used WORN OUT K-2 assult rifle(I'm Korean and serviced as KATUSA soldier.) I fired 1mag for zeroing, 1mag for recording, and 8 MAG to use up surplus ammo without cleaning. AND? No jam. On my unit, I used M16A2(Googling about KATUSA as I spend my time for found out A2 is still sucks). Of course no jam in 2Y. Even the Great H&K couldn't help with the jam~ So that's the main reason that SAS or SBS using C7/C8 these days~
@Halongas The SAS and SBS probably use the rifle more for the safety catch being quicker to operate more than it not being a deacent rifle? So what if your K-2 assault rifle doesnt jam? people have fired AK-47's till the barrel was glowing red without jams but that doesnt make it a better rifle? the L85A2 hardly ever jams, the M16A2 and L85A1 jam more.
@50CaliberElliot amercain here ever touch m4 m16 weapon system and did like it or hate it like your rifle very nice wish my own country take on a bullpup but the old guard are pain in the ass
It weighs a lot, but the entire body of the rifle is almost indestructable. I've seen guys abuse it to the extent that the trigger group and the upper are only loosely connected causing them to wiggle. Despite the weapon effectively being split in half there were no malfunctions. The bolt is built tough, the plastic guards are being phased out, it shoots about 2 MOA at 100yd with a standard length and profile barrel.
@ihaterobbie123 Do I ever mentioned about it's accuracy? They are so good so I didn't mentioned it! It's heavy weight seems works as a perpect compensator. When I have to grab my rifle again, it'll be K-2 or M16A2 or fxxking M-1 carbine. NO British SA80A1 or H&K SA80A2. How many MAGs did you emptied continuously after found out it didn't jam?
Home made British cuisine maybe not bad as their infame. Now, I want objective evidence for that.
@TheNgamer1 The a1 was prone to blockages and fouling yeah, it wasn't amazing. And troops going from a very robust simple design rifle to some thing like the l85 with there accurate tolerances and intricate design of course there are going to look shite compared to the SLR. The SLR and L85 are complete different sorts of rifles. First off the L85 is a smaller calibre, but that is down to overkill. Northern ireland there was reports of rounds passing through walls and partitions and injuring
@TheNgamer1 Civvys. And the Bullpup config as this is needed to shorten the overall length for CQB in today's battlefield. So two very different rifles for different jobs. Maybe if you joined up used either you might be able to comment ;)
so the sa80 failed in Bosnia and Middle East ... and you still mention "reliability" ... and that "the weapons, after the modifications ..." - come on guys, GO H&K!!
I think modern rifles today should have picatanny rails for attachments. The average soldier/marine in the US has a tactical light, laser, red dot sight, forward grip all attached by picatanny rails. Not saying the M-4/M-16 is all that great, but the British SAS does use them for a reason. Nice rifle and nice upgrades though. May it serve the UK well.
@kwmkc13 I never had my M4 fail me in combat.Yes the SAS uses them,check out Andy McNab's website Im sure he will say the same.Most AKs I have seen in Iraq were not well maintained as they should be because most 3rd world armies dont care about cleaning them.I talked to a Kurd in Northern Iraq about his Iranian G-3 and he loves the hell out of it,in fact he cleans it often.
@reddevilparatrooper 5.56 mm bullet is part of the past and should be replaced,the AK-47 bullet is K1-fighter vs. amateur compare to 5.56,greetz dude!
@pomelo657 its the most successful assault rifle of all time high in power reliable has excellent range when the Vietcong came up against m16s m14s browning machine guns plains and tanks the ak47 and some other small arms and booby traps they fucked shit up for the usa so bad they just went home
@n2488 That's a bit, uh, wrong. The US inflicted far more casualties on the VC and NVA than said organization inflicted upon the United States. Cite one major battle the VC or NVA won. There aren't any. The US won tactically in Vietnam. The US lost strategically and politically. There never was any hope of a political end the war and war is a political enterprise. People forget this. You can win tactically for a decade and still loose a war like that. See Afghanistan.
@Nater245689 i did there are a lot of reports from the war in Vietnam of m16s jamming the round being to light for firing through dense vegetation but i am well aware of the up sides of the m16 i just think that the sa80 needs some refining and should be compared to other guns although thankfully its more reliable in desserts then the old fal used by the British sa80 is a very good gun but i don't like the fact people say its the best no gun is the best
@n2488 The main cause of the M16 problems in Vietnam had to do with the Army choosing to go with an extruded powder for their 5.56mm rounds. The powder they chose caused the weapons to cycle at 1000-1100 rounds/min. The magazines of that day couldn't keep up with a cyclic rate like that. Bullet selection is critical with 5.56mm cartridges. The current Mk 318 and M855A1 cartridges have better terminal effects and better performances through light, intermediate barriers than M80 7.62x51 NATO.
@n2488 I'd take a FAL over an SA80 any day. The original FAL was dust sensitive, the L1A1/C1A1 had cuts in the bolt carrier to help in case sand was to get into the weapon. The FAL is in general, a much more reliable and sturdy rifle than the SA80.
The SA80, and bullpups in general, are 1960s solutions for the barrel length problem. A poor solution. Why redesign to whole rifle, fundamentally compromising it's utility and ergonomics in the process, so it can have a longer barrel. Why not just simply make ammunition that works better in shorter barrels? With 6.8 SPC, you can launch a 110gr projectile at 2,500fps out of a 10" barrel. That solves the problem a lot less expensively than an entirely new rifle system.
@n2488 What do you know about the M16? You've certainly never fired one, you live in the UK and you're too young to have been in the military. Why would you base a rifle on the AK? Other than it's reliability, it has nothing going for it. Sights are hard to acquire rapidly, not the easiest thing to reload, questionable effectiveness of round past 300m, limited space for rails, limited ability to accept optics, charging handle on the wrong side, no BHO...
@Nater245689 i am half south African and have spent time with guns there when i meet my relatives some of were game rangers and in the military i have also read up on the topic a lot i have friends in the military and have asked there opinion of the SA80 and i value these peeps opinion because there lives at some point or another depended on a rifle but a lot of info on american guns written by Americans i bi-est naturally so thanks for sharing your thoughts and how do u know about the sa80
@n2488 I know about the SA80 because it's simply a bullpup AR-18. The AR-18 is a pretty good system, they should have gone with it unchanged. I've also spend a decent amount of time firing an AUG. The bullpup design is an ergonomic mess. It feels awkward with most of the weight towards the rear of the weapon. It's awkward to get prone. It's awkward to reload. You can't switch between firing left and right handed on the fly. But you get a longer barrel. Not worth the tradeoffs.
@Nater245689 yer whats the recoil like on aug i have never fired 1 but I no u r probably pissed with peeps saying ak is best and i understand that a lot of peeps think they are experts on guns with no experience of guns i think you won the debate as i have completely forgot my point lol i would be interested to hear were you have had experience with guns because from looking at your other comments you seem well read on the subject
@n2488 Felt recoil is a lot like any other piston/op-rod 5.56mm rifle. I think the muzzle climbed a bit more and took longer to settle down, probably because most of the weight of the weapon is in the rear. That's subjective, though. The AK only wins on reliability, by all other measures of a combat rifle it is significantly poorer than the M16/M4.
@Nater245689 but the larger round of an ak is good in dense forest and doesn't lose power as quick it is also supposedly better at covering fire but i don't know it is a lot easier to use and no training is really needed on how to use or disassemble it
@n2488 The original M43 (7.62x39mm round has a lot of the same problems as the M193 and M855 5.56mm rounds, it tends to zip right through people without any significant fragmentation or yawing. The Mk 318 SOST and M855A1 5.56mm rounds, on the other hand, offer superior penetration to 7.62x51mm NATO through intermediate barriers (windshields, light walls, doors) and create horrendous wound channels.
@n2488 The 7.62x39mm round isn't significantly more powerful than 5.56mm to begin with (roughly 200ft-lbs more energy at the muzzle) and it's accuracy drops off significantly past 200m. Accurately hitting point targets past 300m with it is a fool's errand. The AK isn't any easier to use than the M16 and isn't a whole lot easier to disassemble. One button separates the dust cover from the AK, allowing access to the bolt carrier. It's two push pins on an M16. They're both very easy to work on
This weapon wasn't used by SAS because of its design. the safety catch has to be operated by the trigger finger and the mag release is awkward that's why SAS use other weapons. and its a good weapon i know because i've used it
@mw3post impossible the weapon system was released in the 80's. And its a assault rifle you dick the LSW was the LMG type weapon. But we use the FN minimi now so shut up hanging off cod you fucking idiot
The original was a good weapon but Royal Ordenance was told to reduce the high cost as a result it is a dog even up graded it is not up to the first pre-production models quality.
This info is from a guy I worked with who was on development testing at RO.
So let me get this straight you "laughed out loud" at that!? Your a fucking dope! I bet you are no older than 20, if you are older, lord have mercy on you!
Interested to know what those serving now with the sa80 a2 would think of using the Tavor TAR-21? Appear similarities that maybe would make a smoothish transition?
@JWoolford27 Thanks. I realize that! It's why I asked if any of the chaps who serve in the British Army would feel the Tavor would make a decent replacement weapon? From what I have seen of it they appear a formidable modern warfare weapon.
@eventuallythetruth WE love the SA80!!! specially all the new gucci kit we got the rail, optics. i think its a great weapon and proves itself in OBUA being a small rifle... they are looking to replace but i doubt they will
Its not very nice to hold cos its rear heavy. I hate to know how the l22 carbine version feels. Bullpups make bad carbines, theyre already carbine in their own right.
Nahh, no way SA80 is the best. In my opinion, the QBZ-98 is the best. unimaginable reliability. close to AK-47 and as all weapon experts know, theres not much you can do to a Ak47 to make it stop firing.
@ApurtureSci i didn't realize at first that the video was about the new a2 model, but yeah i can imagine that if H&K did the revamp then its very high up on the reliability side of things. I have always liked the sa80's compact bullpup design so its good to see that it's reliable as well.
I was in the TA when this came out and up at Strensal we actually was shown the first generation SA80 and I was impressed with the lightness and the sight, which Iwas told at the time was filled withradioactive gas to make it clearer, not sure about that, but I was wondering how it compared to the out going FN SLR. Also at the time I was told that the SAS just chucked the weapons away in sheer disgust, might have been the usual army bull, I don't know.
Better 5.56 Rifles than the SA80A2: G36, Steyr AUG, Sig 550, HK416, FN SCAR, AK-101, Polish Beryl, Famas... I guess even more. National Pride is a good thing, but not when it comes to spending Millions of taxpayers money to upgrade a shit rifle, that even now, is still not worth the money it costs.
I'm going to assume you mean LONGER range. How "good" a rifle's range is is relative to the operator's needs. And no, it has a barrel of the same legnth as the M16, but a longer crown, giving it a meer half an inch over it's American counter part. To add to this, the SA80 uses a gas piston system to drive the bolt,where the M16 uses a direct gas "blast" to propel the bolt backwards, making the M16 more accurate.
Gas piston system doesn't have any thing to do whit accurancy, direct inpigmen just has more tendency to jamm and overheat, also, if you are geting into CQB whit an M16, you are death!
It's still fragile, and is only accurate if you happen to be right handed. If you're left handed you're knackered....not good for CQB where ambidextrous operation is ofren essential. Dress it up as you like the troops are being provided inferior weaponry.
@slit555 I highly doubt that. With the SUSAT vs. and M16 with irons, yeah, it's probably more accurate. But a SUSAT equipped L85 against an ACOG equipped M16 and the M16 is more accurate. Direct impingement produces a more accurate rifle than does a gas piston system. It's no wonder that the British Army is deploying an M16 patterned rifle for the designated marksmen role.
The SA80 is more reliable and more accurate than the M16 (various sources online would agree). SA80's used by infantry units on operations are fitted with ACOG sights more often than not so the SUSAT/ACOG comparison seems pretty pointless.
@Rookieoftheyear06 I don't know who these 'sources' are, but they're wrong. The AR-type design is simply the most accurate assault rifle design there is. How many designated marksmen rifles are based around the design of the SA80? Zero. Not even the British Army's own. The system is quite reliable and has been for decades. You can't really say that about the SA80. British SOF units choose the M4, that says it all.
@Nater245689 your wrong mate im an officer in the british army and have shot both. the LSW is now a designated marksman rifle which is the sa80 with a longer barrel. its performance is about the same as the AR except its shorter but retains the high barrel length and its much steadier because of the bullpup design.
@slamdeli So the L86 was so good as a DMR that the cash strapped MoD went out and acquired Lewis Machine & Tool .308 MWS rifles? That makes a lot of sense. The L86 isn't a DMR, it's a poor SAW (as in squad automatic weapon) that was pressed into service as a DMR because of it's longer, heavier barrel and bi-pod. The SA80 is a bullpup AR-18. The AR-18 is fairly accurate, but it's not known for being as accurate as it's predecessor. It did have a great bolt/bolt carrier design, though.
@Nater245689 L86 used to be a poor SAW because it couldnt lay down enough firepower so they changed its classification to a DMR. they are now moving to the l129a1 sharpshooter rifle which is superior to it.
@slamdeli The L129A1 is the Lewis Machine & Tool .308 MWS. 16" barrel, SOPMOD stock, Trijicon TA648-308 optic, and a Docter red dot sight for CQB. It also looks like they're using a Harris bipod, likely on an A.R.M.S. mount. I'd assume they're also going to be going with Magpul for the magazines, they're already using Magpul's EMAG for the SA80 in Afghanistan.
@slamdeli You are not an a British Army Officer. The LSW, long silly weapon, Crow Cannon, etc is still the LSW. The DMR is a completely different weapon. So fuck off you walty wannabe.
@Nater245689 British SF use Diemacos as far as i'm aware (as do SFSG) and not the M4. There are various sniper/marksman rifles with a bullpup design including the Walther WA2000, SVU OTS-03 and Barrett M95. I'm not neccassarily saying that the bullpup design in general is more accurate, however the SA80A2 is more accurate than the M4.
@Rookieoftheyear06 Diemacos are simply licensed built copies of Colt rifles, they're M4s and M16s. That's like saying the Type 56 and AK-47 are different rifles. As I've said before, the SA80 is simply a bullpup AR-18. The AR-18 is not as accurate design as the AR-15 from which the M16/M4 are derived. Can someone shoot better with a SUSAT equipped SA80 than with irons on an M16? Of course. That doesn't mean it's a more accurate design, though.
@Rookieoftheyear06 God, it's like arguing with children. The SA80 and M16 have the same barrel length. The SA80 uses the AR-18's short stroke gas piston operating system. A gas piston operating system, no matter how well designed (the AR-18 is a very good one) will introduce harmonic resonance into the barrel as it operates. The AR-15 uses a direct impingement gas system which doesn't induce any harmonic disturbance to the barrel. Ever seen a sub-MOA SA80? Me either.
@Nater245689 The SA80's barrel is 10mm longer than the M16. All i'm saying is that in tests conducted on the M16 and SA80 the SA80 was both more accurate and more reliable (although not that much more accurate). I'm not saying that direct impingement isn't a more accurate system but the test's and general opinion of users of both the weapons speak for themselves.
@Rookieoftheyear06 The SA80 is more reliable? Sure it is. 10mm isn't enough barrel length to have any sort of an effect. Going from 20" to 16" doesn't have much effect in a 5.56mm weapon, going from 20.4 to 20.0" definitely isn't. General opinions of users of both weapons? Like the SAS? Like the SBS? Which rifle do they choose? Accuracy related statement still stands, have you ever seen a sub-MOA SA80? Because there are AR-type rifles that shoot sub-MOA.
@Nater245689 The SA80, unless it's been changed, has been dropped from NATO's list of approved weapons. The thing simply cannot cycle NATO specification ammunition reliably. Ever wonder why Radway 5.56mm ammunition won't run well in every other NATO spec gun? Because it's made for the SA80. It's funny that the SA80 has so many problems, the AR-18 is a great design and it's operating mechanism has been used in other, better functioning rifles like the HK G36 and FN SCAR-L and SCAR-H.
@Nater245689 Where did you get that from. Last weekend I was shooting US made ball ammo through L98A2s without any dramas? Not all British Army ammo is RG anymore. Some is US, Dutch or Belgian.
@Andy19687 Try shooting British 5.56 through any non-British rifle. Radway Green 5.56 will not cycle an AR. It's different from other NATO nations 5.56 and Israel's.
@Nater245689 I'm guessing they use diemacos due to the fact they weigh a lot less than the SA80 and can be fired from either shoulder. I'm not SF but the only reason i would swap my SA80 for another rifle is because of the weight of it. We're moving off the subject either way. Bottom line is that the SA80 for whatever reason is more accurate than an M16. I'm not just argueing the case for the SA80 cos i'm a British soldier. Have a browse online and find the information for yourself :)
@Rookieoftheyear06 You never explain why this is, you just state it as a fact, citing some studies done 25 years ago. The SA80 is a bullpup AR-18. The AR-15 is a more accurate design than the AR-18 for several reasons. The basic AR-10/15 layout is used for numerous marksmen and sniper rifles. How many sniper rifles are built from the SA80? I doubt there is an SA80 in the world that shoots sub-MOA.
@Rookieoftheyear06 Yes, the SF guys prefer the M16/M4 because you can shoot lefty or righty on the fly, they generally work with NATO specification ammunition, and are much lighter and much less cumbersome. Everyone that talks up the CQC abilities of a bullpup either doesn't know what they're talking about or are talking about the Tavor. All the other bullpups have the unforgivable deficiency of only being able to fire fired left or right handed without work.
@reashot It shortens the over all length of the weapon, you can use a rifle length barrel and still have a carbine length weapon. Everything else is pretty much a downside compared to a traditional rifle.
@reashot It has to be back there. The entire operating mechanism of the rifle is in the stock, the magazine can't go anywhere else. It definitely makes for slower reloads, the SA80 having it's charging handle on the right side certainly doesn't help reloads go any faster (unless you're left handed). I suppose it's not a big deal, it does have a BHO device.
@Rookieoftheyear06 Nobody is disputing that. But the M4 is lighter, handier, has better ergonomics, can be fired from right or left shoulder. Is it so significantly less accurate than an SA80? Probably not. A bit of extra markmanship training would likely make up the shortfall.
@Nater245689 I love my ACOG scope.I bought one and had it with me in Iraq and it is accurate with my issue Colt M4 which I fixed my self because it was beat up from the previous user.Now it sits on my Bushmaster M4A3,I can run my Bushy M4 close to 2800 rounds with no cleaning in 3 days of firing here in the deserts of Nevada with no ammo malfunction on the open range doing combat drills.Just lots of fun and jollies with my Bushy M4.
@SpineShank7 i think you will find he was comparing it's accuracy with other assault rifles, designed by target shooters, the SA-80 A1 was the second most accurate assault rifle on the planet (the most accurate was the Sig 552) and the A2 design is more accurate still.......so uh yes :)
@1MrTurd The direct quote is "probly the most accurate weapon" not assault rifle. A weapon can be anything from a knife to a Patriot Missile... so uh no :P
@SpineShank7 lol, it is very well documented that knives are very inaccurate at more than 1 foot away from the target and that patriot missiles are too big and heavy for one soldier to carry into battle, not to mention a right pain in the backside to re-load under a hedge..agreed the presenter should of mentioned these facts along with a statement that the british army has stopped arming every squaddie with a intercontinental ballistic missile,...so what he said was true...so uh yes! :)
what happened to the FAL FN? you'd think that there would be a use for them on open savanna, dessert, or arctic terrain. Proven hard hitting ...knock a fly's eye many meters away. Where did they go?
Just shows we can do things right.... now stop buying American Planes and lets make some of our own!
I tell you from experience that this is the best rifle I have ever used. The M16 is jack shit compared to it and other rivals (Steyr AUG and the Famas) may be all fancy and accurate but don't compare in terms of reliability. It is battle tested, battle hardened and used by the best!
yourmomwasherelol silly little boy..the gpmg is a belguim weapon made by fn....which make the new SCAR.H for the stupid yanks....but unlike the yanks we made the weapon better!!!!
@MrPuppypups ...And just how many British jobs were created in the town of Obendorf, where the refurb was carried out, then? Those pesky Joormans even took the liberty of stamping the antler on the barrels just to remind Tommy who actually won the war (in thew long run)
@yourmomwasherelol, i'll think you will find british royal ordnance owned heckler and koch at that moment in time...so it was a british company that did the refurb!!!!!!
The programme to upgrade SA80 from A1 to A2 and now to A3 standard has been an outstanding success. It has undoubtedly become a reliable weapon which also says a lot about the support infrastructure behind it. However, the L85 is much heavier than its rivals. With newer weapons such as the FN SCAR(L) and HK416 coming into service, the L85 is starting to show its age. There are also question marks about the long-range effectiveness of 5.56 mm ammo. For the moment, however, it works well.
Tailpipe26 2 days ago
Lefty's cant fire it with the charging handle?????
ShipRock04 1 week ago
a new mag is being bought in made of light steel and a plastic window so that you can see how many rounds you have left.
MrTOMWP 2 weeks ago
the sa80 will be replacing the SUSAT with the ELCAN, which should increase the accuracy of the rifle especially over medium-long ranges, it also increases the area the soldier can see.
thethreelions3 2 weeks ago
can not fire from left hand side
tny0061 3 weeks ago
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thethreelions3 1 month ago
personally I prefer the M4 the newer versions of the rifle are sick
Thunderbolt22A10 1 month ago
@Thunderbolt22A10 Try the HK416 or the HK417. Greater & even more modern version of the M4. ;)
JWoolford27 1 month ago
you don't wanna be armed with a sa80. It will get you into trouble. Leave your guns at home son
210482fmj 1 month ago
So, why isn't it with the SAS?
flamezealous 1 month ago
@flamezealous because they get more funding for gucci kit?
legsonawheelchair 1 month ago
I'd like to see side-by-side tests between L85 & other current military rifles. There might be one on youtube but it's buried beneath a tonne of airsoft shit.
oeyesea 1 month ago
Most of you lot are a bunch of homos who've never used the fucking thing. Its a facking rifle. It shoots stuff, it does it well. I'll sum it up simply for you simple people out there:
Blank Firing: Facking 'orrible, but blanks are shite and smell like unwashed fanny
Live Firing: Mega, bullets come out and the fucker doesn't pack in
Cleaning: Easy. If you say its hard, fuck off and do some SAA lessons you cadet
Weight: You have noodle arms if you cant carry the cunt, man up cheese tits
legsonawheelchair 1 month ago 6
most accurate weapon in the world.too much patriotism for me
GeneralSchultz 2 months ago
@GeneralSchultz it has won many international shooting competitions, alot of experts do consider it the most accurate assault rifle
engliscwarrior 2 months ago
lolz 4:41 those rifles got a BFA on? must have imposed the explostion
johnfox3 2 months ago
Piece of shit, has cost hundreds of millions to get H&K to upgrade them, They jam like a motherfucker in hot and cold and have a dodgy mag release.
Thespeakerofmanytru8 2 months ago
i love this gun but i think i would never want to get in a fight with it cause i have the fear that it can jam badly.its just a fact but if it happens iam fucked
GeneralSchultz 2 months ago
@GeneralSchultz A1 I would be fearful of it jaming, not the A2.
FakeMessiah94 1 month ago
@Thespeakerofmanytru8 thats the a1 (it was shite) but the a2 doesnt jam and the mag release has been changed so theres guard around it.
slamdeli 1 month ago
They need to just issue finnish rk62s. Which is a much better varient of the ak47
TheRealRyan1000 2 months ago
Ak47 has no where near the range and accuracy of the SA80. The bullpup allows a longer barrel in a shorter rifle Thus more accuracy and more range, more power.
FunnyVideoCollector 3 months ago
Save some money and just issue AK47s, sand, snow, grit, mud, under water! throw at it what you will it will still put rounds down range!
aloubear 3 months ago
@aloubear But with no accuracy at all
somthingrandomish 3 months ago
Even with the A3 upgrades ( picatinny forend, acog/ elcan, pmag) it's still heavy, and there's no real advantages of a bullpup over a traditional m4 type rifle. Recoil is also a lot worse than an M4. The Daniel Defense rail system makes it damn heavy. I think the MOD needs to stop polishing this turd. MOD also just renewed the contract with HK, so this weapon is not getting changed for another 8 to 10 years.
chrisaryee 3 months ago
isnt the sa80 to be replaced next year?
thethreelions3 3 months ago
A worthy successor to the No.1 Mk.3 SMLE.....
EddieCat1971 3 months ago
@collieoVTEC I only fired K2 and M16 which never failed me and I'm not gonna have any chance to touch that "THING". Since I blame sa80 without firing it, you earned right to blame K2. Give me your best shot.
Halongas 3 months ago
@collieoVTEC sorry mate. I made mistake by comparing ak47 not AKM which currently take place of 47. Let's see. 3.6kg akm. 4980g SA80. We have winner.
Halongas 3 months ago
@gullivera I feel pity on them. That junk doesn't suits for the glorious (NO sarcasm) british army.
Halongas 4 months ago
@crazyeyesJD If maintainced proferly, k-2 never jams while sa80 does in PROFER MAINTAINCED. Of course that CHEAP and HEAVY AK47 is better than EXPENSIVE AND EXTRA HEAVY sa80. PS. I never blamed about it's accuracy.
Halongas 4 months ago
@Halongas To be honest mate, whether its good or not is kind of irrelevant I think, with the budget and personell cuts going on right now, think the British army will have to live with the SA80 for another 20 years anyway.
gullivera 4 months ago
@Halongas Bellend, the ak47 is heavier than an l85.
collieoVTEC 3 months ago
3:29 full auto? I thought you used it in semi most of the time?
owner8515 5 months ago
Suck as their cuisine.
5KG.
Guaranteed jam per 3mags.
Using cheap plastic.
Most unreliarble junk rifle.
Halongas 5 months ago
@Halongas I have been using the A2 for 3 years and I have only had 1 jam. Stop regurgitating shit you hear in the media about the older A1 variant.
50CaliberElliot 5 months ago 3
@50CaliberElliot How many times did you went to the range? On my boot camp, I used WORN OUT K-2 assult rifle(I'm Korean and serviced as KATUSA soldier.) I fired 1mag for zeroing, 1mag for recording, and 8 MAG to use up surplus ammo without cleaning. AND? No jam. On my unit, I used M16A2(Googling about KATUSA as I spend my time for found out A2 is still sucks). Of course no jam in 2Y. Even the Great H&K couldn't help with the jam~ So that's the main reason that SAS or SBS using C7/C8 these days~
Halongas 4 months ago
@Halongas The SAS and SBS probably use the rifle more for the safety catch being quicker to operate more than it not being a deacent rifle? So what if your K-2 assault rifle doesnt jam? people have fired AK-47's till the barrel was glowing red without jams but that doesnt make it a better rifle? the L85A2 hardly ever jams, the M16A2 and L85A1 jam more.
crazyeyesJD 4 months ago
@50CaliberElliot amercain here ever touch m4 m16 weapon system and did like it or hate it like your rifle very nice wish my own country take on a bullpup but the old guard are pain in the ass
kullas924 1 month ago
@Halongas Oh look, someone who hasn't shot it.
It weighs a lot, but the entire body of the rifle is almost indestructable. I've seen guys abuse it to the extent that the trigger group and the upper are only loosely connected causing them to wiggle. Despite the weapon effectively being split in half there were no malfunctions. The bolt is built tough, the plastic guards are being phased out, it shoots about 2 MOA at 100yd with a standard length and profile barrel.
PS. Homemade British food rules.
ihaterobbie123 4 months ago
@ihaterobbie123 Do I ever mentioned about it's accuracy? They are so good so I didn't mentioned it! It's heavy weight seems works as a perpect compensator. When I have to grab my rifle again, it'll be K-2 or M16A2 or fxxking M-1 carbine. NO British SA80A1 or H&K SA80A2. How many MAGs did you emptied continuously after found out it didn't jam?
Home made British cuisine maybe not bad as their infame. Now, I want objective evidence for that.
Halongas 4 months ago
@Halongas Sign up to an armed service, use it then say its "Most unreliarble junk rifle".
collieoVTEC 3 months ago
can someone tell me what was wrong with the gun?
cptromero5595 5 months ago
Do they Sell this in the Civilian market?
TheZeb142 5 months ago
@TheZeb142 no
LordWellington15 5 months ago
@TheZeb142
no
tbrowniscool 4 months ago
The L1A1 was still much better
TheNgamer1 5 months ago
@TheNgamer1 Saying an SLR is better than an l85 is like saying a bulldozer is better than Ferrari.
collieoVTEC 3 months ago
@collieoVTEC Oh really well when the SA80 first arived as the video said it was shite. Christ not everything's about full auto.
TheNgamer1 3 months ago
@TheNgamer1 The a1 was prone to blockages and fouling yeah, it wasn't amazing. And troops going from a very robust simple design rifle to some thing like the l85 with there accurate tolerances and intricate design of course there are going to look shite compared to the SLR. The SLR and L85 are complete different sorts of rifles. First off the L85 is a smaller calibre, but that is down to overkill. Northern ireland there was reports of rounds passing through walls and partitions and injuring
collieoVTEC 3 months ago
@TheNgamer1 Civvys. And the Bullpup config as this is needed to shorten the overall length for CQB in today's battlefield. So two very different rifles for different jobs. Maybe if you joined up used either you might be able to comment ;)
collieoVTEC 3 months ago
@collieoVTEC I suppose that's a very fair point you can't really judge something without experincing it :)
TheNgamer1 3 months ago
so the sa80 failed in Bosnia and Middle East ... and you still mention "reliability" ... and that "the weapons, after the modifications ..." - come on guys, GO H&K!!
clusterguard 6 months ago
@clusterguard it's also expensive as fuck
reashot 6 months ago
Hmmmm... just saw a video with a forearm attachment that adds rails to the SA80. Nevermind my previous comment.
kwmkc13 6 months ago
I think modern rifles today should have picatanny rails for attachments. The average soldier/marine in the US has a tactical light, laser, red dot sight, forward grip all attached by picatanny rails. Not saying the M-4/M-16 is all that great, but the British SAS does use them for a reason. Nice rifle and nice upgrades though. May it serve the UK well.
kwmkc13 6 months ago
@kwmkc13 I never had my M4 fail me in combat.Yes the SAS uses them,check out Andy McNab's website Im sure he will say the same.Most AKs I have seen in Iraq were not well maintained as they should be because most 3rd world armies dont care about cleaning them.I talked to a Kurd in Northern Iraq about his Iranian G-3 and he loves the hell out of it,in fact he cleans it often.
reddevilparatrooper 2 months ago
@reddevilparatrooper 5.56 mm bullet is part of the past and should be replaced,the AK-47 bullet is K1-fighter vs. amateur compare to 5.56,greetz dude!
ssdivizion 2 months ago
I bet this video had less veiws before black ops came out...
Changchey 6 months ago
enfield from black ops!
55tspence 7 months ago
@55tspence No the Enfield from Black ops is the predecessor to the sa80 :)
paganist123 7 months ago
I love people that play COD and think they are masters of weaponry and talk about the AK being so awesome yet they have never shot or owned one.
vampov 7 months ago
recoils a bit poo and y have they made a gun that's not very reliable y not base it on ak don't compare to m16 m16 is shit
n2488 7 months ago
@n2488 as the AK is a shit weapon
pomelo657 7 months ago
@pomelo657 its the most successful assault rifle of all time high in power reliable has excellent range when the Vietcong came up against m16s m14s browning machine guns plains and tanks the ak47 and some other small arms and booby traps they fucked shit up for the usa so bad they just went home
n2488 7 months ago
@n2488 That's a bit, uh, wrong. The US inflicted far more casualties on the VC and NVA than said organization inflicted upon the United States. Cite one major battle the VC or NVA won. There aren't any. The US won tactically in Vietnam. The US lost strategically and politically. There never was any hope of a political end the war and war is a political enterprise. People forget this. You can win tactically for a decade and still loose a war like that. See Afghanistan.
Nater245689 7 months ago
@Nater245689 who won though hey
n2488 7 months ago
@n2488 Read my post, hey.
Nater245689 7 months ago
@Nater245689 i did there are a lot of reports from the war in Vietnam of m16s jamming the round being to light for firing through dense vegetation but i am well aware of the up sides of the m16 i just think that the sa80 needs some refining and should be compared to other guns although thankfully its more reliable in desserts then the old fal used by the British sa80 is a very good gun but i don't like the fact people say its the best no gun is the best
n2488 7 months ago
@n2488 The main cause of the M16 problems in Vietnam had to do with the Army choosing to go with an extruded powder for their 5.56mm rounds. The powder they chose caused the weapons to cycle at 1000-1100 rounds/min. The magazines of that day couldn't keep up with a cyclic rate like that. Bullet selection is critical with 5.56mm cartridges. The current Mk 318 and M855A1 cartridges have better terminal effects and better performances through light, intermediate barriers than M80 7.62x51 NATO.
Nater245689 7 months ago
@n2488 I'd take a FAL over an SA80 any day. The original FAL was dust sensitive, the L1A1/C1A1 had cuts in the bolt carrier to help in case sand was to get into the weapon. The FAL is in general, a much more reliable and sturdy rifle than the SA80.
Nater245689 7 months ago
The SA80, and bullpups in general, are 1960s solutions for the barrel length problem. A poor solution. Why redesign to whole rifle, fundamentally compromising it's utility and ergonomics in the process, so it can have a longer barrel. Why not just simply make ammunition that works better in shorter barrels? With 6.8 SPC, you can launch a 110gr projectile at 2,500fps out of a 10" barrel. That solves the problem a lot less expensively than an entirely new rifle system.
Nater245689 7 months ago
@n2488 What do you know about the M16? You've certainly never fired one, you live in the UK and you're too young to have been in the military. Why would you base a rifle on the AK? Other than it's reliability, it has nothing going for it. Sights are hard to acquire rapidly, not the easiest thing to reload, questionable effectiveness of round past 300m, limited space for rails, limited ability to accept optics, charging handle on the wrong side, no BHO...
Nater245689 7 months ago
@Nater245689 i am half south African and have spent time with guns there when i meet my relatives some of were game rangers and in the military i have also read up on the topic a lot i have friends in the military and have asked there opinion of the SA80 and i value these peeps opinion because there lives at some point or another depended on a rifle but a lot of info on american guns written by Americans i bi-est naturally so thanks for sharing your thoughts and how do u know about the sa80
n2488 7 months ago
@n2488 I know about the SA80 because it's simply a bullpup AR-18. The AR-18 is a pretty good system, they should have gone with it unchanged. I've also spend a decent amount of time firing an AUG. The bullpup design is an ergonomic mess. It feels awkward with most of the weight towards the rear of the weapon. It's awkward to get prone. It's awkward to reload. You can't switch between firing left and right handed on the fly. But you get a longer barrel. Not worth the tradeoffs.
Nater245689 7 months ago
@Nater245689 yer whats the recoil like on aug i have never fired 1 but I no u r probably pissed with peeps saying ak is best and i understand that a lot of peeps think they are experts on guns with no experience of guns i think you won the debate as i have completely forgot my point lol i would be interested to hear were you have had experience with guns because from looking at your other comments you seem well read on the subject
n2488 7 months ago
@n2488 Felt recoil is a lot like any other piston/op-rod 5.56mm rifle. I think the muzzle climbed a bit more and took longer to settle down, probably because most of the weight of the weapon is in the rear. That's subjective, though. The AK only wins on reliability, by all other measures of a combat rifle it is significantly poorer than the M16/M4.
Nater245689 7 months ago
@Nater245689 but the larger round of an ak is good in dense forest and doesn't lose power as quick it is also supposedly better at covering fire but i don't know it is a lot easier to use and no training is really needed on how to use or disassemble it
n2488 7 months ago
@n2488 The original M43 (7.62x39mm round has a lot of the same problems as the M193 and M855 5.56mm rounds, it tends to zip right through people without any significant fragmentation or yawing. The Mk 318 SOST and M855A1 5.56mm rounds, on the other hand, offer superior penetration to 7.62x51mm NATO through intermediate barriers (windshields, light walls, doors) and create horrendous wound channels.
Nater245689 7 months ago
@n2488 The 7.62x39mm round isn't significantly more powerful than 5.56mm to begin with (roughly 200ft-lbs more energy at the muzzle) and it's accuracy drops off significantly past 200m. Accurately hitting point targets past 300m with it is a fool's errand. The AK isn't any easier to use than the M16 and isn't a whole lot easier to disassemble. One button separates the dust cover from the AK, allowing access to the bolt carrier. It's two push pins on an M16. They're both very easy to work on
Nater245689 7 months ago
what is the yellow bit on the muzzles
yellowsubmarine2030 7 months ago
@yellowsubmarine2030 blank firing adaptations
n2488 7 months ago
This weapon wasn't used by SAS because of its design. the safety catch has to be operated by the trigger finger and the mag release is awkward that's why SAS use other weapons. and its a good weapon i know because i've used it
HamsterCACF 8 months ago
black ops used this in 1964-8 that makes no sence and why is it not in an lmg class?
mw3post 8 months ago
@mw3post impossible the weapon system was released in the 80's. And its a assault rifle you dick the LSW was the LMG type weapon. But we use the FN minimi now so shut up hanging off cod you fucking idiot
HamsterCACF 8 months ago
@HamsterCACF your moms hairy nippkles damn i just got confused calm your tits down bitch
mw3post 8 months ago
the most accurate weapon in the world? What....
Musketor 8 months ago 2
The original was a good weapon but Royal Ordenance was told to reduce the high cost as a result it is a dog even up graded it is not up to the first pre-production models quality.
This info is from a guy I worked with who was on development testing at RO.
trackend1 8 months ago
I heard even with the newer models, the maintenance is worse than the M16..
allghilliedup21 9 months ago
@xxsadcasm awsome
thepepper191 9 months ago
btw he calls it a gun? its a fucking RIFLE lol!! guns are attached to helicopters, ships!
GIProductionz 9 months ago
So let me get this straight you "laughed out loud" at that!? Your a fucking dope! I bet you are no older than 20, if you are older, lord have mercy on you!
IRELANDISMYCOUNTRY 8 months ago
Interested to know what those serving now with the sa80 a2 would think of using the Tavor TAR-21? Appear similarities that maybe would make a smoothish transition?
Thanks
eventuallythetruth 9 months ago
@eventuallythetruth it's because they're both Regular Bulpup Designs. (Mag at the back ect)
JWoolford27 9 months ago
@JWoolford27 Thanks. I realize that! It's why I asked if any of the chaps who serve in the British Army would feel the Tavor would make a decent replacement weapon? From what I have seen of it they appear a formidable modern warfare weapon.
eventuallythetruth 9 months ago
@eventuallythetruth WE love the SA80!!! specially all the new gucci kit we got the rail, optics. i think its a great weapon and proves itself in OBUA being a small rifle... they are looking to replace but i doubt they will
GIProductionz 9 months ago
Its not very nice to hold cos its rear heavy. I hate to know how the l22 carbine version feels. Bullpups make bad carbines, theyre already carbine in their own right.
superman5051 9 months ago
Nahh, no way SA80 is the best. In my opinion, the QBZ-98 is the best. unimaginable reliability. close to AK-47 and as all weapon experts know, theres not much you can do to a Ak47 to make it stop firing.
panzerelite195 9 months ago
He needs to shape his beret, it looks horrible
Thomaskee99 9 months ago
Its actually a hoofing bit of kit better than than m16
ollie272 9 months ago
Why isnt this on cod?
thepepper191 10 months ago
@thepepper191 it is. The "Enfield". GTFO cod newb
XXSadcasm 9 months ago
"probably the most accurate weapon in the world." bull fucking shit, accuracy aside its a pretty unreliable rifle.
charlestheman69 10 months ago
@charlestheman69 hmm,ive never had one jam using live rounds
Therifles100 9 months ago
@charlestheman69 Not the A2s. After H&K revamped them, they're incredibly reliable.
ApurtureSci 9 months ago
@ApurtureSci i didn't realize at first that the video was about the new a2 model, but yeah i can imagine that if H&K did the revamp then its very high up on the reliability side of things. I have always liked the sa80's compact bullpup design so its good to see that it's reliable as well.
charlestheman69 9 months ago
@charlestheman69 The A2 is more reliable than the M16. Not sure where that stands with other assault rifles but i've not had any real dramas with it.
Rookieoftheyear06 8 months ago
I was in the TA when this came out and up at Strensal we actually was shown the first generation SA80 and I was impressed with the lightness and the sight, which Iwas told at the time was filled withradioactive gas to make it clearer, not sure about that, but I was wondering how it compared to the out going FN SLR. Also at the time I was told that the SAS just chucked the weapons away in sheer disgust, might have been the usual army bull, I don't know.
ukchris64 10 months ago
@ukchris64 yeah its filled with tritium,it makes the tip of the prism glow in the dark
Therifles100 9 months ago
M16 400m range Sa80 500m range.
NielsShoe 10 months ago
Better 5.56 Rifles than the SA80A2: G36, Steyr AUG, Sig 550, HK416, FN SCAR, AK-101, Polish Beryl, Famas... I guess even more. National Pride is a good thing, but not when it comes to spending Millions of taxpayers money to upgrade a shit rifle, that even now, is still not worth the money it costs.
Robbe19 10 months ago
@MrBEAST127
I'm going to assume you mean LONGER range. How "good" a rifle's range is is relative to the operator's needs. And no, it has a barrel of the same legnth as the M16, but a longer crown, giving it a meer half an inch over it's American counter part. To add to this, the SA80 uses a gas piston system to drive the bolt,where the M16 uses a direct gas "blast" to propel the bolt backwards, making the M16 more accurate.
slit555 11 months ago
Gas piston system doesn't have any thing to do whit accurancy, direct inpigmen just has more tendency to jamm and overheat, also, if you are geting into CQB whit an M16, you are death!
zpkka 10 months ago
perfect for CQB!
DANIELSUTCLIFFE 11 months ago
@DANIELSUTCLIFFE shite for long range
s34mu5 11 months ago
@s34mu5 very true, but you also have the bigger weapons such as the lsw and gpmg, if you're lucky also snipers
DANIELSUTCLIFFE 11 months ago
It's still fragile, and is only accurate if you happen to be right handed. If you're left handed you're knackered....not good for CQB where ambidextrous operation is ofren essential. Dress it up as you like the troops are being provided inferior weaponry.
Yanito1 11 months ago
@TheRandomReviewer10 lol you guys can stick to your false opinions as much as you want, I don't care
SpineShank7 11 months ago
BS the SA80 is more accurate than an M16, it may be bullpup, but it isn't any sniper-rifle!
slit555 11 months ago
@slit555 I highly doubt that. With the SUSAT vs. and M16 with irons, yeah, it's probably more accurate. But a SUSAT equipped L85 against an ACOG equipped M16 and the M16 is more accurate. Direct impingement produces a more accurate rifle than does a gas piston system. It's no wonder that the British Army is deploying an M16 patterned rifle for the designated marksmen role.
Nater245689 11 months ago
@Nater245689
That's what I said... It is bullshit that the SA80 is more accurate than the M16.
slit555 11 months ago
@slit555 Yeah, indeed you did. I only read the first part of your post.
Nater245689 11 months ago
@slit555 its is more accurate top 5 in the world and m16 aint even in top 10
flyfisher2k8 11 months ago
@flyfisher2k8
There are overall better rifles than the M16, but if there were a list of top 5 MOST ACCURATE rifles, the L85 wouldn't even be on it.
slit555 11 months ago
@Nater245689
The SA80 is more reliable and more accurate than the M16 (various sources online would agree). SA80's used by infantry units on operations are fitted with ACOG sights more often than not so the SUSAT/ACOG comparison seems pretty pointless.
Rookieoftheyear06 8 months ago
@Rookieoftheyear06 I don't know who these 'sources' are, but they're wrong. The AR-type design is simply the most accurate assault rifle design there is. How many designated marksmen rifles are based around the design of the SA80? Zero. Not even the British Army's own. The system is quite reliable and has been for decades. You can't really say that about the SA80. British SOF units choose the M4, that says it all.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 your wrong mate im an officer in the british army and have shot both. the LSW is now a designated marksman rifle which is the sa80 with a longer barrel. its performance is about the same as the AR except its shorter but retains the high barrel length and its much steadier because of the bullpup design.
slamdeli 8 months ago
@slamdeli So the L86 was so good as a DMR that the cash strapped MoD went out and acquired Lewis Machine & Tool .308 MWS rifles? That makes a lot of sense. The L86 isn't a DMR, it's a poor SAW (as in squad automatic weapon) that was pressed into service as a DMR because of it's longer, heavier barrel and bi-pod. The SA80 is a bullpup AR-18. The AR-18 is fairly accurate, but it's not known for being as accurate as it's predecessor. It did have a great bolt/bolt carrier design, though.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 L86 used to be a poor SAW because it couldnt lay down enough firepower so they changed its classification to a DMR. they are now moving to the l129a1 sharpshooter rifle which is superior to it.
slamdeli 8 months ago
@slamdeli The L129A1 is the Lewis Machine & Tool .308 MWS. 16" barrel, SOPMOD stock, Trijicon TA648-308 optic, and a Docter red dot sight for CQB. It also looks like they're using a Harris bipod, likely on an A.R.M.S. mount. I'd assume they're also going to be going with Magpul for the magazines, they're already using Magpul's EMAG for the SA80 in Afghanistan.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 your point being?
slamdeli 8 months ago
@slamdeli You are not an a British Army Officer. The LSW, long silly weapon, Crow Cannon, etc is still the LSW. The DMR is a completely different weapon. So fuck off you walty wannabe.
Andy19687 2 months ago
@Nater245689 British SF use Diemacos as far as i'm aware (as do SFSG) and not the M4. There are various sniper/marksman rifles with a bullpup design including the Walther WA2000, SVU OTS-03 and Barrett M95. I'm not neccassarily saying that the bullpup design in general is more accurate, however the SA80A2 is more accurate than the M4.
Rookieoftheyear06 8 months ago
@Rookieoftheyear06 Diemacos are simply licensed built copies of Colt rifles, they're M4s and M16s. That's like saying the Type 56 and AK-47 are different rifles. As I've said before, the SA80 is simply a bullpup AR-18. The AR-18 is not as accurate design as the AR-15 from which the M16/M4 are derived. Can someone shoot better with a SUSAT equipped SA80 than with irons on an M16? Of course. That doesn't mean it's a more accurate design, though.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 Even with iron sights fitted the SA80 is still more accurate than an M16 due (at least in part) to it's longer barrel.
Rookieoftheyear06 8 months ago
@Rookieoftheyear06 God, it's like arguing with children. The SA80 and M16 have the same barrel length. The SA80 uses the AR-18's short stroke gas piston operating system. A gas piston operating system, no matter how well designed (the AR-18 is a very good one) will introduce harmonic resonance into the barrel as it operates. The AR-15 uses a direct impingement gas system which doesn't induce any harmonic disturbance to the barrel. Ever seen a sub-MOA SA80? Me either.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 The SA80's barrel is 10mm longer than the M16. All i'm saying is that in tests conducted on the M16 and SA80 the SA80 was both more accurate and more reliable (although not that much more accurate). I'm not saying that direct impingement isn't a more accurate system but the test's and general opinion of users of both the weapons speak for themselves.
Rookieoftheyear06 8 months ago
@Rookieoftheyear06 The SA80 is more reliable? Sure it is. 10mm isn't enough barrel length to have any sort of an effect. Going from 20" to 16" doesn't have much effect in a 5.56mm weapon, going from 20.4 to 20.0" definitely isn't. General opinions of users of both weapons? Like the SAS? Like the SBS? Which rifle do they choose? Accuracy related statement still stands, have you ever seen a sub-MOA SA80? Because there are AR-type rifles that shoot sub-MOA.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 The SA80, unless it's been changed, has been dropped from NATO's list of approved weapons. The thing simply cannot cycle NATO specification ammunition reliably. Ever wonder why Radway 5.56mm ammunition won't run well in every other NATO spec gun? Because it's made for the SA80. It's funny that the SA80 has so many problems, the AR-18 is a great design and it's operating mechanism has been used in other, better functioning rifles like the HK G36 and FN SCAR-L and SCAR-H.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 Where did you get that from. Last weekend I was shooting US made ball ammo through L98A2s without any dramas? Not all British Army ammo is RG anymore. Some is US, Dutch or Belgian.
Andy19687 2 months ago
@Andy19687 Try shooting British 5.56 through any non-British rifle. Radway Green 5.56 will not cycle an AR. It's different from other NATO nations 5.56 and Israel's.
Nater245689 2 months ago
@Nater245689 I'm guessing they use diemacos due to the fact they weigh a lot less than the SA80 and can be fired from either shoulder. I'm not SF but the only reason i would swap my SA80 for another rifle is because of the weight of it. We're moving off the subject either way. Bottom line is that the SA80 for whatever reason is more accurate than an M16. I'm not just argueing the case for the SA80 cos i'm a British soldier. Have a browse online and find the information for yourself :)
Rookieoftheyear06 8 months ago
@Rookieoftheyear06 You never explain why this is, you just state it as a fact, citing some studies done 25 years ago. The SA80 is a bullpup AR-18. The AR-15 is a more accurate design than the AR-18 for several reasons. The basic AR-10/15 layout is used for numerous marksmen and sniper rifles. How many sniper rifles are built from the SA80? I doubt there is an SA80 in the world that shoots sub-MOA.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Rookieoftheyear06 Yes, the SF guys prefer the M16/M4 because you can shoot lefty or righty on the fly, they generally work with NATO specification ammunition, and are much lighter and much less cumbersome. Everyone that talks up the CQC abilities of a bullpup either doesn't know what they're talking about or are talking about the Tavor. All the other bullpups have the unforgivable deficiency of only being able to fire fired left or right handed without work.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 what so good about Bulpup anyway.
reashot 8 months ago
@reashot It shortens the over all length of the weapon, you can use a rifle length barrel and still have a carbine length weapon. Everything else is pretty much a downside compared to a traditional rifle.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 that i already know but what is it with the hype about having a weapon with a magazine in the back.
reashot 8 months ago
@reashot It has to be back there. The entire operating mechanism of the rifle is in the stock, the magazine can't go anywhere else. It definitely makes for slower reloads, the SA80 having it's charging handle on the right side certainly doesn't help reloads go any faster (unless you're left handed). I suppose it's not a big deal, it does have a BHO device.
Nater245689 8 months ago
@Nater245689 I'm not disputing that. However this is going off topic.
Out.
Rookieoftheyear06 7 months ago
@Nater245689 Actually, yes I have seen a sub MOA shots from an SA80A2. Just. But wars are not won on the Short Siberia range at Bisley.
I know I shoot better with an M16A2 with national match sights than I do with an A2 with a SUSAT.
Andy19687 2 months ago
@Rookieoftheyear06 Nobody is disputing that. But the M4 is lighter, handier, has better ergonomics, can be fired from right or left shoulder. Is it so significantly less accurate than an SA80? Probably not. A bit of extra markmanship training would likely make up the shortfall.
Andy19687 2 months ago
@Nater245689 I love my ACOG scope.I bought one and had it with me in Iraq and it is accurate with my issue Colt M4 which I fixed my self because it was beat up from the previous user.Now it sits on my Bushmaster M4A3,I can run my Bushy M4 close to 2800 rounds with no cleaning in 3 days of firing here in the deserts of Nevada with no ammo malfunction on the open range doing combat drills.Just lots of fun and jollies with my Bushy M4.
reddevilparatrooper 2 months ago
hope the real version of this doesnt jam as fuck XD like most awesome-looking rifles(all except ak47 XD)
MegaFragger 11 months ago
"with its 4x optical scope it's probly the most accurate weapon in the world" ....uh no.
SpineShank7 1 year ago
@SpineShank7 i think you will find he was comparing it's accuracy with other assault rifles, designed by target shooters, the SA-80 A1 was the second most accurate assault rifle on the planet (the most accurate was the Sig 552) and the A2 design is more accurate still.......so uh yes :)
1MrTurd 1 year ago
@1MrTurd The direct quote is "probly the most accurate weapon" not assault rifle. A weapon can be anything from a knife to a Patriot Missile... so uh no :P
SpineShank7 1 year ago
@SpineShank7 lol, it is very well documented that knives are very inaccurate at more than 1 foot away from the target and that patriot missiles are too big and heavy for one soldier to carry into battle, not to mention a right pain in the backside to re-load under a hedge..agreed the presenter should of mentioned these facts along with a statement that the british army has stopped arming every squaddie with a intercontinental ballistic missile,...so what he said was true...so uh yes! :)
1MrTurd 1 year ago
the bloke at 04:12 is a cunt, an acctual proper cunt.
FuckinFirstRecon 1 year ago
@FuckinFirstRecon lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
scottyurfunnylol 1 year ago
@scottyurfunnylol lolz bro
FuckinFirstRecon 1 year ago
what happened to the FAL FN? you'd think that there would be a use for them on open savanna, dessert, or arctic terrain. Proven hard hitting ...knock a fly's eye many meters away. Where did they go?
woodss3 1 year ago
@woodss3 fuck off
FuckinFirstRecon 1 year ago
@woodss3 We seem to have given them all to Jamaica.
Woolies2007 1 year ago
Let me rephrase for the those who said that the L85 is most accurate rifle in the world:
ARGUABLY the most accurate rifle in the world!
ThePhamine 1 year ago
Just shows we can do things right.... now stop buying American Planes and lets make some of our own!
I tell you from experience that this is the best rifle I have ever used. The M16 is jack shit compared to it and other rivals (Steyr AUG and the Famas) may be all fancy and accurate but don't compare in terms of reliability. It is battle tested, battle hardened and used by the best!
alex471996 1 year ago
yourmomwasherelol silly little boy..the gpmg is a belguim weapon made by fn....which make the new SCAR.H for the stupid yanks....but unlike the yanks we made the weapon better!!!!
MrPuppypups 1 year ago 2
@MrPuppypups ...And just how many British jobs were created in the town of Obendorf, where the refurb was carried out, then? Those pesky Joormans even took the liberty of stamping the antler on the barrels just to remind Tommy who actually won the war (in thew long run)
Andy19687 2 months ago
@yourmomwasherelol, i'll think you will find british royal ordnance owned heckler and koch at that moment in time...so it was a british company that did the refurb!!!!!!