Hey man , that's why a democratic system exsits to try and get a government that takes you to the "restaurant" you want. But back to healthcare; healthcare when a business is not free and the motive thus becomes profit, destroying the founding ides of western medecine, (may i remind you of the hippocratic oath). Add to that not everyone can afford healthcare, you know where that leads.
the restaurant I want, or that the majority wants. What if my wants are different from that of the majority? Wow. Last part of the comment really unintelligible. You know some people can't really afford housing. Should we pay for everyone to pay into a pot and divide it back out and give everyone a free house? Not everyone can afford a car. Should we do it for that, too? Not everyone can afford an iPod.
If people do not recieve necceseties, it is cruel to the people who are disadvantaged because often if you are born into poverty u stay in poverty, but if that doesn't matter you ppl with no legal way to survive will turn to crime, and that will affect even the rich.
Do you mean like Oprah, Bob Johnson, and Chris Gardner? Oh that's right they were born poor and didn't wind up poor. Why are they so much better than other poor. Now you will tell me they aren't better, just lucky.
you are making the assumption that everyone is as talented and yes "as lucky" as them. But not everyone has the ability to accomplish this you were fortunate to be born white, and im gonna assume not in total debt and poverty.(havin 3 exmaples of rags to riches stories does not justify your point).
there are millions of rags to riches stories to choose from. i note three well know ones. in this country any one that wants to make something of themself still can. my parents were middle class, their parents were poor. through hard work they lifted themselves up and taught their kids to do the same and they taught it to us and we will probably be better off in the end than our parents were but...
a black teenager born into the slums can leave home, get a job at mcdonalds, stay with two or three friends who are doing the same thing and immediately be above the poverty line. it won't be beautiful, but he can work his way up just like my family did. he has no less opportunity b/c of where he was born. when he turns 18 or before he can make a choice to either stay in that sit. or leave and make something of himself. interesting stat:
98% of people that finish high school, have a job and do not have a child out of wedlock are above the poverty line. those three things are not that hard to do. those stats include people working as janitors, fast food, whatever. just a job and not having a child out of wedlock like 85% of the people are above poverty. that is a pretty good success rate that doesn't depend on society or on where you were born or the color of your skin. that only depends on having a little ambition
if everything was as easy as that, then poverty probably would not exist, you assume people in poverty are just lazy theyre not, when you come from a broken home having no family to fall back on, its quite hard to work at mcdonalds to earn a lving + go to highschool.
i didn't say work and go to high school even though there are plenty that have done that. i said when you are 18 finish high school and strike out on your own. i believe in the triumph of the human spirit, that if you want something bad enough, nothing can stop you. it is very difficult but somewhere inside you you have to make that decision that either you are going to let circumstances determine the course of your life our you are going to make you own way. that choice lies within all of us.
Have you ever read atlas shrugged? If not you shoudlr ead it, or at least look it up.(I have a feeling you would enjoy it, it is about the triumph of individual human spirit.)
Last thing i could say about healthcare is that America has one of the world's worst healthcare system's and is the world's richest country. And to further my point on the hippocratic oath, the oath states clearly that doctors should work for the health of the patient and not for profit.
If we are the worst, why do doctors flood our med schools and hospitals to practice here? Why do 95% of the live saving drugs come from America? Why do innovative new life saving procedures originate here? Why are new machines for scans invented here? Because we are horrible capitalist monsters, that's why.
And you should do your job for the good of society and not for money too. If you are not setting a good example in your own life, I don't think you can ask doctors to follow suit.
Ok im just gonna throw these statisics your way,(most are from wikipedia which has its own refrences)United states 42 place in world life expectancy, 37th in overall performance and 72nd by overall level of health(WHO).
WHO stats-these criteria were not even hardly about the quality of care they were things like 'distribution of burden of cost'. Now tell me what at all that has to do with quality of care. WHO rated us low in that b/c the costs of h/c lies mainly with individuals rather than being paid by society. WHO makes no attempts to hide their social welfare/social justice, left-leaning agenda. It is clearly stated in mission.
that's why they rate us low. as to your comment that people are dying b/c they can't get to the nearest hospital..are you kidding me? there is a law that hospitals cannot turn away anyone with lifethreatening issues or that is labor regardless of the patients ability to pay. repost if i misquote you but i mean that is ridiculious. the law is already on the books and has been for some time now.
more violent crime here in the states accounts for much of this. also higher rate of obesity here in the states. overall life expectancy is not really a gauge of a HC system. Success rates against disease or life expectancy of diagnosed patients would be a better measure of a system's effectiveness. After all the general population (overall life expectancy) is not in the HC system. only sick people so let's measure them.
Hey man , that's why a democratic system exsits to try and get a government that takes you to the "restaurant" you want. But back to healthcare; healthcare when a business is not free and the motive thus becomes profit, destroying the founding ides of western medecine, (may i remind you of the hippocratic oath). Add to that not everyone can afford healthcare, you know where that leads.
nazg55 4 years ago
the restaurant I want, or that the majority wants. What if my wants are different from that of the majority? Wow. Last part of the comment really unintelligible. You know some people can't really afford housing. Should we pay for everyone to pay into a pot and divide it back out and give everyone a free house? Not everyone can afford a car. Should we do it for that, too? Not everyone can afford an iPod.
johnebii 4 years ago
Just b/c some people can't afford something doesn't mean we should tax everybody else and give it to the ones that can't afford it.
johnebii 4 years ago
If people do not recieve necceseties, it is cruel to the people who are disadvantaged because often if you are born into poverty u stay in poverty, but if that doesn't matter you ppl with no legal way to survive will turn to crime, and that will affect even the rich.
nazg55 4 years ago
Do you mean like Oprah, Bob Johnson, and Chris Gardner? Oh that's right they were born poor and didn't wind up poor. Why are they so much better than other poor. Now you will tell me they aren't better, just lucky.
johnebii 4 years ago
you are making the assumption that everyone is as talented and yes "as lucky" as them. But not everyone has the ability to accomplish this you were fortunate to be born white, and im gonna assume not in total debt and poverty.(havin 3 exmaples of rags to riches stories does not justify your point).
nazg55 4 years ago
there are millions of rags to riches stories to choose from. i note three well know ones. in this country any one that wants to make something of themself still can. my parents were middle class, their parents were poor. through hard work they lifted themselves up and taught their kids to do the same and they taught it to us and we will probably be better off in the end than our parents were but...
johnebii 4 years ago
a black teenager born into the slums can leave home, get a job at mcdonalds, stay with two or three friends who are doing the same thing and immediately be above the poverty line. it won't be beautiful, but he can work his way up just like my family did. he has no less opportunity b/c of where he was born. when he turns 18 or before he can make a choice to either stay in that sit. or leave and make something of himself. interesting stat:
johnebii 4 years ago
98% of people that finish high school, have a job and do not have a child out of wedlock are above the poverty line. those three things are not that hard to do. those stats include people working as janitors, fast food, whatever. just a job and not having a child out of wedlock like 85% of the people are above poverty. that is a pretty good success rate that doesn't depend on society or on where you were born or the color of your skin. that only depends on having a little ambition
johnebii 4 years ago
if everything was as easy as that, then poverty probably would not exist, you assume people in poverty are just lazy theyre not, when you come from a broken home having no family to fall back on, its quite hard to work at mcdonalds to earn a lving + go to highschool.
nazg55 4 years ago
i didn't say work and go to high school even though there are plenty that have done that. i said when you are 18 finish high school and strike out on your own. i believe in the triumph of the human spirit, that if you want something bad enough, nothing can stop you. it is very difficult but somewhere inside you you have to make that decision that either you are going to let circumstances determine the course of your life our you are going to make you own way. that choice lies within all of us.
johnebii 4 years ago
sorry for the bad typing
johnebii 4 years ago
Have you ever read atlas shrugged? If not you shoudlr ead it, or at least look it up.(I have a feeling you would enjoy it, it is about the triumph of individual human spirit.)
nazg55 4 years ago
i just bought it last week. haven't got to reading it yet. about 10 books in front of it.
johnebii 4 years ago
it's quite an intresting book, long though
nazg55 4 years ago
Last thing i could say about healthcare is that America has one of the world's worst healthcare system's and is the world's richest country. And to further my point on the hippocratic oath, the oath states clearly that doctors should work for the health of the patient and not for profit.
nazg55 4 years ago
If we are the worst, why do doctors flood our med schools and hospitals to practice here? Why do 95% of the live saving drugs come from America? Why do innovative new life saving procedures originate here? Why are new machines for scans invented here? Because we are horrible capitalist monsters, that's why.
And you should do your job for the good of society and not for money too. If you are not setting a good example in your own life, I don't think you can ask doctors to follow suit.
johnebii 4 years ago
Ok im just gonna throw these statisics your way,(most are from wikipedia which has its own refrences)United states 42 place in world life expectancy, 37th in overall performance and 72nd by overall level of health(WHO).
nazg55 4 years ago
WHO stats-these criteria were not even hardly about the quality of care they were things like 'distribution of burden of cost'. Now tell me what at all that has to do with quality of care. WHO rated us low in that b/c the costs of h/c lies mainly with individuals rather than being paid by society. WHO makes no attempts to hide their social welfare/social justice, left-leaning agenda. It is clearly stated in mission.
johnebii 4 years ago
that's why they rate us low. as to your comment that people are dying b/c they can't get to the nearest hospital..are you kidding me? there is a law that hospitals cannot turn away anyone with lifethreatening issues or that is labor regardless of the patients ability to pay. repost if i misquote you but i mean that is ridiculious. the law is already on the books and has been for some time now.
johnebii 4 years ago
how bout life expectancy explain that please?
nazg55 4 years ago
more violent crime here in the states accounts for much of this. also higher rate of obesity here in the states. overall life expectancy is not really a gauge of a HC system. Success rates against disease or life expectancy of diagnosed patients would be a better measure of a system's effectiveness. After all the general population (overall life expectancy) is not in the HC system. only sick people so let's measure them.
johnebii 4 years ago
if you say so...
nazg55 4 years ago
well put!
clintonious 4 years ago