@ktcm92 Inflation hasn't been as high as it was under Attlee for a long time now.
Attlee tried socialism and it was worth trying once. But, after devaluation, the coal crisis and inflation nearly hitting 10%, Britain was ready for a change in the 1950s. Attlee brought Keynesianism to Britain. The Tories made it work.
They make a major movie about Thatcher, and umpteen films about Churchill.
He was virtually running the country during WW2 as deputy PM, while Churchill made some rousing speeches and went on moral boosting visits.
Between 1945-51 as PM, Attlee implemented many necessary changes, and made Britain a better place to live, yet you'd be lucky to find one fitting documentary or even a TV movie about him.
@prben2. Too true. Churchill was the great "war leader" but without Attlee the country would have fallen apart during the war. He is the only true deputy PM in Britain's history. His time as PM saved the country from anarchy. It's about bloody time Attlee got the recognition he deserves!
@RichardElden Well then you are nought but a spiteful, bigoted old hag and I would rather lap stale urine from Norman Fowlers arse pit than remain for one moment in your defiling company.
@RichardElden Considering what he had to work with he was a tremendous success. I set framework for 40 years of political consensus that brought Britain into the 20th century.
@RichardElden How ignorant could you POSSIBLY be? These communities are on the whole hubs of decency. Time and time again the old xenophobic myth of these peoples being savages with no civility has been utterly destroyed. The real savages of this world are far better re-visited in the East India Company, the force you seem to think of as good, in treating human beings like shit, cramming them into tiny spaces and selling them across the Globe. Glad A was blind? I'm glad your lot are dying off.
@RichardElden Blind? You seem a little confused. He wasn't blind in any sense of the word. He was enlightened, giving the countries which we had formerly commandeered for our own selfish purposes the Independence they deserved. You really are a fucking moron if you think the preservation of the British Empire would be preferable to moving the fuck on and giving the people's of the world the Dignity of being able to say 'This is another people's country no more'.
@RichardElden The Liberal Party is not and has never be a party of the far-left. The Liberal party is dominated by the Orange Bookers, a right-wing free-market oriented group. The parties reputation for leftism was a result of it's need to attract attention as a insignificant third party and attract disaffected Labour supporters, but has never been entirely accurate. The liberal tradition is complex, and you'd do well to understand that if you want to understand the coalition.
The Tories are in power, matey boy. Whether you want to believe it or not. It's a sad thing they are, but the public was dumb enough to vote for money-hungry hypocrites so it's their bad i suppose. What's so bad about being left wing?
@RichardElden Stoke on Trent, Labour had a plan to re-build lots of run-down council housing. They knocked down the housing and started to build the new houses. Then the Tories stopped the project and have left hundreds if not thousands of people out of home, and that's just in Stoke on Trent
The Tories are in power, even if it is a coalition, David Cameron is still in charge
@RichardElden His 'miracle economy' idea was good, borrowing to invest. He was looking at it in the long run, and in the long run it WOULD have worked, but the Conservatives as always undo everything the Labour Government did and now we're left in debt but ALSO no future to look forward to. The Tories have left poor people without houses and have kicked many people out of their homes, doesn't sound like a better plan than what Labour had, does it?
@RichardElden As a chancellor he was one of the best we'd ever had, but as a Prime Minister he could've done better, but a tory wouldn't have done any better
@RichardElden No, the banks caused the recession. If it wasn't for Gordon Brown the situation would've gotten a whole lot worse
Besides I don't see much difference between the modern labour and modern tories tbh, there's no real working class parties anymore. Especially now Labour has that posh, millionaire twat in charge
@RichardElden You're the typical tory, always trying to keep the poor man down. If it was upto you, we'd be back in the medieval ages
You fatcat pigs make everybody sick, go line the pockets of some bankers why don't you. It was rich pricks like you that caused the recession in 2008-09 and fucked up millions and millions of lives around the world
@RichardEldenn We are a small island. We need to borrow money to stay internationally competitive. We are not as self-sufficient as you may belive. We are ALWAYS going to have a trade deficit and borrowing from the world bank is inevitable. The squandering of a stable economy came about after banks stopped lending money and everyone lost confidence, the Government had little involvement. In-fact if we hadn't bailed out all these banks/insurance companies the economy would have been a LOT worse!
And look what happens when they're not, everything goes tits up! Atleast with Blair's labour party came stability. Constant economic growth for 10 straight years, an un-presidented accolade
@RichardElden The problem with privatising the NHS is they will begin to cut costs and make mistakes more than before, resulting in more needless fatalities. Take British Rail for example, when Maggie Thatcher stupidely privatised that after all the experts were saying NO. There were many train crashes because companies were cutting costs and the level of maintenance dropped, resulting in trains being mis-routed and de-railing left, right, and centre.
@RichardElden Without the welfare state there would be 8 million more people living on the street. You could just as easily been born into poor working-class family. I'm sure you would be greatful for the welfare state if this was the case.
Without this man and his Governent you wouldn't even have the NHS (FREE HEALTHCARE!!!)
You're the typical fat cat tory, always wanting to keep the poor man down. I say go fuck yourself
Clement Attlee is the best Prime Minister Britain has ever had, modern politicians should learn something from this man and concentrate more on the welfare state and education rather than wasting millions on new offices and large council buildings
Today's politicians all need a kick up the arse and need to learn how to run a country
We in Japan tend to believe, rightly or wrongly, that the civil servants in Britain are well checked by ministers and other elected representatives in power. It is very interesting to see the question being asked by the news presenter. I watched Yes, Minister and Yes, P Minister many times and at the time thought that they were only sitcoms. Perhaps they do bear some elements of truth after all.
@RichardElden I think your comments are terrible. Although I consider myself a true blue Tory and would never vote Labour, to say stuff like that about Clement Attlee is overstepping the line. He was still a decent chap and at least he followed through with his political asertions. He was a man of principles. I wish modern Conservatives would follow their principles!
@RichardElden you can not blame Atlee or his government for the welfare plan because they did not know the effect it was going to have in the future, also people during his time needed i mean many had lost jobs, homes and loved ones people who provided the income if they did not introduce a welfare system. Also this expansion of 8million adults was the cause of 1997 Labour government not the 1945.
@JuanMacready Ha ha ha, what a joke. You obviously said that without looking at a single poll. Churchill and Attlee are pretty much 50/50 for first place. I was surprised, actually. I thought Churchill would have won them easily. But Attlee beats him about 50% of the time.
@RichardElden He did overrun mainland Europe and we weren't better off. Why do guys like you not have confidence in democracy? Always looking for the "strong man" to sort things out for you.
for a start, show some respect to Mr Attlee & dont be so morrow minded. He is a good man & up there with Tony Benn. Obviously alot of you have not had to struggle & live of mummy & daddy. Socialism does work, its just you heartless bastards that dont let it!
@JuanMacready Do you honestly believe that it is the creation of the welfare state that led to the UK's decline? Some might suggest that holding such a position is likely to damage your credibility.
@JuanMacready wake up thatcher destroyed this country when she put all the nations resources into the hands of greedy fucking tyrants and destroyed all the manufacturing by turning the country into a city based economy with stupid fucking gamblers who create no wealth at all.or was it the working class who created the banking crisis.you want to go back to the days where u can send kids down mines for bread and water while u live like a king doing fuckall thats what your about
@oppressednation No, Thatcher saved the UK after years of socialist misrule, just as Cameron and Clegg are having to now. It was Labour that created the banking crisis. Life was far better 100 years ago.
@JuanMacready labour are the tories these days and so are liberal you really dont get the big picture do you thatcher destroyed democracy at the same time by privatising everything ensuring any future goverments and the people had to dance to the tune of big business and bankers.thatcher destroyed the whole country putting all the power into the hands of tyrants thats were it alll went wrong
@JuanMacready and in the year 2010 the elite have become so powerfull that they are the ones calling the shots not goverment its all bullshit .eg."those that create and issue the money and credit,direct the policies of goverment and hold in their hands the destiny of the people"richard mckenna ,former president of midlands bank.if you are working class the old labour party was only party you should have ever voted but british people are easily manipulated and misguided and some are just fickle
@JuanMacready So...what's clever mode? I'm still not sure what your reasoning is. Why shouldn't there be a welfare state? Where is your evidence that it has been destructive? Please provide some facts, rather than yet more screams!
@JuanMacready but it seems your in favour of people getting fucked over and screwed .believe me the people are being fucked over in a big way just the majority doesnt realize it as they are too busy chasing the dream thats being sold to them .unless you are a billonaire ,cabinet member , international banker or an industrial tycoon you are also being fucked over just some are being fucked a bit more than others. but i like i said thats what you seem to enjoy
@JuanMacready no point u offer no decent reply just more bullshit your a good example of why the country is fucked you people have fucked it and now some of you are hating it lol thanx for playing
@phillegrange The British people went into STUPID mode when they voted out Churchill at the end of the war, and then Attlee proceeded to destroy the UK.
I wish he had died of cancer, the evil worthless cunt.
@oppressednation Attlee was the worst leader the UK ever had. He turned a once great nation into a welfare state where nobody works. The NHS should be completely privatised along with the worthless left-wing BBC.
@JuanMacready dude you sound about 10 years old repeating what your grandad says you shouldnt be commenting on this go and find a lady gaga video to comment on where it doesnt matter if you make yourself look stupid by repeating the same silly things over an over. by the way have you had a shit out that new arse i ripped ya yesterday
With some luck, you will choke in the middle of the night and do the decent populace a favour. Your'e just a dumb kid that doesn't have a fucking clue about anything but troll around coming out with baseless spleen. Im not a socialist but Clement Attlee was a great man- even Maggie respected him.
Rubbish. Listen kid, you wouldn't be man enough to face what some unemployed people face. You are a cowardly bigotted little keyboard warrior who knows fuck all about anything. You are also a traitor.
You bloody twat! The NHS is a wonderful service that improves lives and saves them. You could live in America, and have a healthcare system where the rich get the great healthcare, and the poor don't. Besides, over 60% of the British population is completely satisfied with their health service. And the BBC is excellent, providing entertaining, educational, informational, etc programs! What the hell is wrong with you?
@thekingmpeg The NHS is fucking crap, and should be privatised. Over 60% of the population are of welfare. The BBC is wortgless left-wing crap which should be completely privatised at once.
@JuanMacready Oh a capitalism and free-market economy is completely without fault. Like Lehman Bros and RBS (sarcasm)
Christ son, you are (according to your profile) only 16. Come of it you've still got your mothers milk on your face. Go back to your Xbox, and your chronic masterbation over Justin Bieber video's. And leave the proper debate, to the grown ups. Rather then copying the ill-informed rants you hear from the Murdoch press.
@JuanMacready What nonsense - more of the Empire was given away under Macmillan. And what would you have preferred - war in India? And how would you have paid off the huge debt we ran up during WWII with the yanks. Oh yeah, no answer.
@MrTonymcmahon Churchill would have sent the troops to restore order in India. The evil stupid bald cunt Attlee gave away India, Burma, Ireland and much else. I'm glad he was blind when he died, I wish he had died of CANCER like Harold Wilson.
@JuanMacready Erm, the Conservatives in the 1950s 'gave away' plenty of colonies. Britain couldn't even 'restore order' in Aden let alone take on the whole of India. How on earth do you think the debt riddled, war torn country that Attlee took over was going to take on India? BTW - Juan Macready doesn't sound like a very English name.
@MrTonymcmahon Churchill would have sent the troops the Vicreoy requested. Eden did the right thing in responding to the Suez Crisis, a fact that Eisenhower, Nixon and Dulles all later acknowledged. Attlee's legacy is that more than 8 million adults of working age in the UK live on benefits and never work at all.
@JuanMacready The last Viceroy of India was the vainglorious and self promoting Lord Mountbatten and if you believe anything he ever wrote then...oh dear.
@JuanMacready Well if he did support Churchill in Britain fight against the Nazis, also he introduced the NHS something which is even more impressive seeing Britain was bankrupt and taking loans from the US and trying to regain it's economy, this is supported by the fact that historians regard him to be the greatest PM post-war and one of the greatest of all time. So your statement is bollocks.
@aced1592 We certainly made a HUGE mistake going to war in 1939, we should have let Hitler overrun Europe and then invade Russia. The NHS is fucking crap like the worthless BBC. Taking loans from the US was a stupid idea. Attlee was a fucking useless cunt and I wish he had died of cancer like Nye Bevan.
@aced1592 We should have had no treaty with Poland, if we had simply let Hitler overrun Europe he would have turned on Russia before us, and that way Britain would have remained a world power and the Empire would have been preserved.
I wish Attlee had died of cancer like that other worthless cunt Harold Wilson.
@JonoC79 Churchill was a terrible politician. Fine, he won the war. That was it. Domestic policy=FAIL. Thatcher=Evil, society-killing bitch from hell.
@wks1978 During the 1945 election Churchill not only lost to a huge majority but was also heckled during the campaign with cries of "We want Clement" as the British people lacked his domestic policy- He was absolutely hated before the war because of his treatment of workers strikes. When Chamberlain resigned there were very few, even within the government, who wanted him as PM.
@KungfuCow5 You are probably right about Churchill's ineptitude at gaining public support outside the time of war. His prewar popularity was low. The problem for his detractors is that he was right in his criticism of appeasement. He was always more interested in international affairs than domestic politics, like Tony Blair. he was, however, a shrewd historian. He did his best to leave a positive legacy for himself.
I don't understand how you equate evilness with disagreement.
People forget the state that Attlee left the country in, the economy was a disaster. He gave us the NHS but his faults definitely outweighed the goods.
@bonfirejovi No, you're wrong. Horribly wrong. You're actually a fucking retard for thinking Attlee created the national debt. I'm not even going to speak to you. I guess you think the Winter of discontent was Labour's fault too, and the newest financial crisis? You dumbass right winger.
@Feisty1967 Ignore JuanMacready, he's clearly mentally ill. Bear in mind that he supported Hitler's action and hoped we were invaded by the Germans during WW2 just so we could apparently 'keep our empire'.
Attlee is a fucking legend, the best PM we've ever had. Right wingers hate him because he introduced loads of brilliant left wing legislations to this country.
@ToaJoe Well said. JuanMacready thinks Oliver Cromwell was the greatest man to live, that hanging innocent people is ok, and that smokers "deserve" to die of lung cancer.
Atlee was indeed the best PM we've ever had. He was just as important to the war-time government as Churchill, and supparsed him when he became the 1st labour leader to win a landslide and create the NHS. The tories have since done all they can to ruin our NHS!
@FabFM Yeah, he says Oliver Cromwell was the greatest person to live because he went against the Royalists in the English civil war. Don't get why that makes sense, Cromwell would better be respected by the left wing since he destroyed that religious BS.
@JuanMacready He was not a right winter. The right wingers were the fools that thought the King had a divine right. Learn some history, dipshit. Oh wait, you're mentally ill, so there's no point. Check yourself into a near mental institute, and you'll be just fine.
juanmacready is a bigotted, vitriolic little shit with nothing positive to contribute whatsoever. he is also quite confused. its probably best to ignore him.
@FabFM Attlee was the worst Prime Minister the UK ever had, and I would like to see the evil NHS completely privatised along with the worthless left-wing BBC.
@JuanMacready Atlee was the greatest PM this country ever had. The only reason you think the NHS is evil is cause you want to live in a dictatorship. Britian's the wrong country for you mate, piss of to North Korea!
If we had listened to Attlee we would have a social Democratic British Empire & a Social Democratic European Union - but Britain was too weak to keep India - so he did the best he could on India.
@infokemp What makes you think Britain could even afford to keep India after 1945? Frankly, the Empire should have been liquidated after 1918, and that it wasn't even done so after 1945 thanks to Attlee is one of the reasons we are still hopelessly in decline. Since 1945 empires have been an anachronistic detail. Other countries - Japan, West Germany - stuck to their own territory and built vast industries while Little Britain worried about retaining impoverished lands it could not afford.
@JuanMacready You clearly don't know anything about money or economics if you think that the Empire would have still lasted under a Churchill government
@ToaJoe Well we certainly made a huge mnistake fighting World War II but we would have been much better off had the worthless cunt Attlee never got in.
@JuanMacready BTW, do you mind telling me WHY you hate Attlee so much? It doesn't matter if you disagree with his views. A good politician is someone who democratically tries to inforce what they believe in. I hate Thatcher's policies, but I don't hate HER. Attlee was a brilliant PM, the best PM in history. Churchill was the better war leader we ever had. I guess in terms of influence, Thatcher would come 3rd, but Harold Wilson was better than she was.
@ToaJoe Better than Gladstone, or David Lloyd George? Harold Wilson was yet another idiot who cared more about the polls than about Britain's decline. He is one among a large number who pretty much made sure that we were going to slip further and further. Thatcher gets the economy going again and her policies are detested. Wilson was a selfish knob who did nothing except watch the country go down and apparently is better. I don't get it.
@omsct Yes, I like Lloyd George better as a PM than Churchill but Churchill was the best war leader, mainly due to his speeches.
Harold Wilson took away the death penalty. He legalized abortion and homosexuality. He reformed the laws surronding divorce.
Those achievements make him better than Thatcher. All Thatcher did was throw thousands of people out of work in an attempt to bring Britain to the right.
@ToaJoe I meant was Attlee really better than Gladstone or Lloyd George?
I'm not a Thatcherite, or even a Conservative with a capital 'C', but at least Thatcher seemed to achieve the one thing that had baffled all leaders since the way - namely, to get the economy actually moving, even while seeing the unions or nationalisation manage to bring down entire industries.
Imagine how much better Britain would be if Atlee had never been elected? what a disaster
jed371 1 month ago
@jed371 The voters in 1945 were fucking stupid.
MrRobertJameson 1 month ago
good economist ; historian ; debater ... .
MusicPredominates 1 month ago
Attlee was a fucking disaster who destroyed Britain.
MrRobertJameson 1 month ago
@MrRobertJameson. You're a fucking disaster who is destroying Youtube. Fucking tory troll.
densaner77 1 month ago
@ktcm92 Inflation hasn't been as high as it was under Attlee for a long time now.
Attlee tried socialism and it was worth trying once. But, after devaluation, the coal crisis and inflation nearly hitting 10%, Britain was ready for a change in the 1950s. Attlee brought Keynesianism to Britain. The Tories made it work.
Myndir 1 month ago
Good old Clem.
densaner77 2 months ago
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@densaner77
They make a major movie about Thatcher, and umpteen films about Churchill.
He was virtually running the country during WW2 as deputy PM, while Churchill made some rousing speeches and went on moral boosting visits.
Between 1945-51 as PM, Attlee implemented many necessary changes, and made Britain a better place to live, yet you'd be lucky to find one fitting documentary or even a TV movie about him.
prben2 2 months ago
@prben2. Too true. Churchill was the great "war leader" but without Attlee the country would have fallen apart during the war. He is the only true deputy PM in Britain's history. His time as PM saved the country from anarchy. It's about bloody time Attlee got the recognition he deserves!
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densaner77 2 months ago
A good, good man.
cappy00000 3 months ago
Ah YouTube comments. Being too busy to read them should be reason enough to run for parliament!
SiorafasNaCillini 4 months ago
@RichardElden You disgust me.
MultiMole1 4 months ago 4
@RichardElden You're a moron.
MultiMole1 4 months ago 3
@RichardElden Well then you are nought but a spiteful, bigoted old hag and I would rather lap stale urine from Norman Fowlers arse pit than remain for one moment in your defiling company.
KungfuCow5 4 months ago
@RichardElden Okay look. Never open your mouth again, you are an oxygen thief.
KungfuCow5 4 months ago
@RichardElden Are you incapable of looking at history from more than one perspective?
KungfuCow5 4 months ago
@RichardElden Considering what he had to work with he was a tremendous success. I set framework for 40 years of political consensus that brought Britain into the 20th century.
KungfuCow5 4 months ago 2
@RichardElden How ignorant could you POSSIBLY be? These communities are on the whole hubs of decency. Time and time again the old xenophobic myth of these peoples being savages with no civility has been utterly destroyed. The real savages of this world are far better re-visited in the East India Company, the force you seem to think of as good, in treating human beings like shit, cramming them into tiny spaces and selling them across the Globe. Glad A was blind? I'm glad your lot are dying off.
Makashi11 7 months ago
@RichardElden Of course it would you moron!
Makashi11 7 months ago
@RichardElden Blind? You seem a little confused. He wasn't blind in any sense of the word. He was enlightened, giving the countries which we had formerly commandeered for our own selfish purposes the Independence they deserved. You really are a fucking moron if you think the preservation of the British Empire would be preferable to moving the fuck on and giving the people's of the world the Dignity of being able to say 'This is another people's country no more'.
Makashi11 7 months ago
@RichardElden And good on Attlee for doing so!
Makashi11 7 months ago
@RichardElden The Liberal Party is not and has never be a party of the far-left. The Liberal party is dominated by the Orange Bookers, a right-wing free-market oriented group. The parties reputation for leftism was a result of it's need to attract attention as a insignificant third party and attract disaffected Labour supporters, but has never been entirely accurate. The liberal tradition is complex, and you'd do well to understand that if you want to understand the coalition.
DerBlitzStag 8 months ago 11
@DerBlitzStag like most Tories he doesn't seem to understand the concept of Liberalism which by its vey nature is the political centre.
irishgodfatherchris 7 months ago
@RichardElden And what is that party? C'mon, you're 19, you should know this
J4K31 8 months ago
@RichardElden Then what party does David Cameron belong to?
J4K31 8 months ago
@RichardElden Why is the north shit?
The Tories are in power, matey boy. Whether you want to believe it or not. It's a sad thing they are, but the public was dumb enough to vote for money-hungry hypocrites so it's their bad i suppose. What's so bad about being left wing?
J4K31 8 months ago
@RichardElden Stoke on Trent, Labour had a plan to re-build lots of run-down council housing. They knocked down the housing and started to build the new houses. Then the Tories stopped the project and have left hundreds if not thousands of people out of home, and that's just in Stoke on Trent
The Tories are in power, even if it is a coalition, David Cameron is still in charge
J4K31 8 months ago
@RichardElden His 'miracle economy' idea was good, borrowing to invest. He was looking at it in the long run, and in the long run it WOULD have worked, but the Conservatives as always undo everything the Labour Government did and now we're left in debt but ALSO no future to look forward to. The Tories have left poor people without houses and have kicked many people out of their homes, doesn't sound like a better plan than what Labour had, does it?
J4K31 8 months ago
@RichardElden As a chancellor he was one of the best we'd ever had, but as a Prime Minister he could've done better, but a tory wouldn't have done any better
J4K31 8 months ago
@RichardElden No, the banks caused the recession. If it wasn't for Gordon Brown the situation would've gotten a whole lot worse
Besides I don't see much difference between the modern labour and modern tories tbh, there's no real working class parties anymore. Especially now Labour has that posh, millionaire twat in charge
J4K31 8 months ago
@RichardElden You're the typical tory, always trying to keep the poor man down. If it was upto you, we'd be back in the medieval ages
You fatcat pigs make everybody sick, go line the pockets of some bankers why don't you. It was rich pricks like you that caused the recession in 2008-09 and fucked up millions and millions of lives around the world
J4K31 8 months ago
@RichardEldenn We are a small island. We need to borrow money to stay internationally competitive. We are not as self-sufficient as you may belive. We are ALWAYS going to have a trade deficit and borrowing from the world bank is inevitable. The squandering of a stable economy came about after banks stopped lending money and everyone lost confidence, the Government had little involvement. In-fact if we hadn't bailed out all these banks/insurance companies the economy would have been a LOT worse!
J4K31 10 months ago
@RichardElden But they're not always in power...
And look what happens when they're not, everything goes tits up! Atleast with Blair's labour party came stability. Constant economic growth for 10 straight years, an un-presidented accolade
J4K31 10 months ago
@RichardElden Yeah it was Major I got mixed up, quite easy to do when really they were both as bad as each other
I don't watch the Jeremy Kyle show, it's trash. I don't see how that shows there are no working class left in the country though
J4K31 10 months ago
@RichardElden WTF's with your comment "So sorry Atlee didn't die of cancer like Harold Wilson"
It was bad enough Harold died of cancer, but wishing it upon someone else is just sick. You're sick
J4K31 10 months ago
@RichardElden The problem with privatising the NHS is they will begin to cut costs and make mistakes more than before, resulting in more needless fatalities. Take British Rail for example, when Maggie Thatcher stupidely privatised that after all the experts were saying NO. There were many train crashes because companies were cutting costs and the level of maintenance dropped, resulting in trains being mis-routed and de-railing left, right, and centre.
The working-class still exists
J4K31 10 months ago
@RichardElden Without the welfare state there would be 8 million more people living on the street. You could just as easily been born into poor working-class family. I'm sure you would be greatful for the welfare state if this was the case.
Without this man and his Governent you wouldn't even have the NHS (FREE HEALTHCARE!!!)
You're the typical fat cat tory, always wanting to keep the poor man down. I say go fuck yourself
J4K31 10 months ago
Clement Attlee is the best Prime Minister Britain has ever had, modern politicians should learn something from this man and concentrate more on the welfare state and education rather than wasting millions on new offices and large council buildings
Today's politicians all need a kick up the arse and need to learn how to run a country
J4K31 10 months ago
@RichardElden Ah. D'you not recieve free health care and education then?
Wanker.
KungfuCow5 10 months ago
We in Japan tend to believe, rightly or wrongly, that the civil servants in Britain are well checked by ministers and other elected representatives in power. It is very interesting to see the question being asked by the news presenter. I watched Yes, Minister and Yes, P Minister many times and at the time thought that they were only sitcoms. Perhaps they do bear some elements of truth after all.
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@RichardElden I think your comments are terrible. Although I consider myself a true blue Tory and would never vote Labour, to say stuff like that about Clement Attlee is overstepping the line. He was still a decent chap and at least he followed through with his political asertions. He was a man of principles. I wish modern Conservatives would follow their principles!
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ChannelATA 1 year ago
@RichardElden you can not blame Atlee or his government for the welfare plan because they did not know the effect it was going to have in the future, also people during his time needed i mean many had lost jobs, homes and loved ones people who provided the income if they did not introduce a welfare system. Also this expansion of 8million adults was the cause of 1997 Labour government not the 1945.
aced1592 1 year ago
@RichardElden I love when people are wrong. Firstly look up some history secondly when you make a statement use some evidence.
aced1592 1 year ago
CLEMENT ATTLEE: THE BEST PRIME MINISTER IN HISTORY, and the surveys show that most British people agree with me!
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe No they don't, Churchill is always ranked ahead of Attlee.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Ha ha ha, what a joke. You obviously said that without looking at a single poll. Churchill and Attlee are pretty much 50/50 for first place. I was surprised, actually. I thought Churchill would have won them easily. But Attlee beats him about 50% of the time.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Only if the poll is of immigrants and people on welfare.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@RichardElden He did overrun mainland Europe and we weren't better off. Why do guys like you not have confidence in democracy? Always looking for the "strong man" to sort things out for you.
MrTonymcmahon 1 year ago
Its about time there was a feature film made about Attlee
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
If anyone has ever seen the Harry Enfield sketch 'juanmacready' is like that ghastly young Tory character..... but worse
Juanmacready is not even a Tory.... he is a fascist.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
"If a wealthy man wishes to give to Charity"
"He should pay taxes"
Clement Attlee.
If only our current PM and cabinet was capable of such rhetoric.
And can please stop all this "Socialism is bad" and "the NHS is evil" nonsense. Oh a capitalism and free-market economy is completely without fault.
Like Lehman Bros and RBS (sarcasm)
JONNOG88 1 year ago 2
Watching Clement Attlee talk is like watching slow-mo footage of a skyscraper collapsing. Except the skyscraper is Great Britain.
sloochy 1 year ago
Before people thumb up 'juanmacready' I sugest they look at his commenting history...
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
for a start, show some respect to Mr Attlee & dont be so morrow minded. He is a good man & up there with Tony Benn. Obviously alot of you have not had to struggle & live of mummy & daddy. Socialism does work, its just you heartless bastards that dont let it!
jimbobutton07 1 year ago
@jimbobutton07 Attlee was a cunt. I hope Benn dies soon and joins him in Hell. Socialism in EVIL.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@jimbobutton07 you hit the nail the head mate it could work but the greedy fucking self absorbed power hungry wankers wont let it
oppressednation 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Do you honestly believe that it is the creation of the welfare state that led to the UK's decline? Some might suggest that holding such a position is likely to damage your credibility.
phillegrange 1 year ago
@phillegrange The British people went into STUPID mode in 1945 when they destroyed the once-great UK. There should be NO welfare state at all.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready wake up thatcher destroyed this country when she put all the nations resources into the hands of greedy fucking tyrants and destroyed all the manufacturing by turning the country into a city based economy with stupid fucking gamblers who create no wealth at all.or was it the working class who created the banking crisis.you want to go back to the days where u can send kids down mines for bread and water while u live like a king doing fuckall thats what your about
oppressednation 1 year ago 2
@oppressednation No, Thatcher saved the UK after years of socialist misrule, just as Cameron and Clegg are having to now. It was Labour that created the banking crisis. Life was far better 100 years ago.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready labour are the tories these days and so are liberal you really dont get the big picture do you thatcher destroyed democracy at the same time by privatising everything ensuring any future goverments and the people had to dance to the tune of big business and bankers.thatcher destroyed the whole country putting all the power into the hands of tyrants thats were it alll went wrong
oppressednation 1 year ago
@JuanMacready and in the year 2010 the elite have become so powerfull that they are the ones calling the shots not goverment its all bullshit .eg."those that create and issue the money and credit,direct the policies of goverment and hold in their hands the destiny of the people"richard mckenna ,former president of midlands bank.if you are working class the old labour party was only party you should have ever voted but british people are easily manipulated and misguided and some are just fickle
oppressednation 1 year ago
@JuanMacready So...what's clever mode? I'm still not sure what your reasoning is. Why shouldn't there be a welfare state? Where is your evidence that it has been destructive? Please provide some facts, rather than yet more screams!
phillegrange 1 year ago
@phillegrange All the welfare state did was reward people not to ever work and to have children out of wedlock.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready but it seems your in favour of people getting fucked over and screwed .believe me the people are being fucked over in a big way just the majority doesnt realize it as they are too busy chasing the dream thats being sold to them .unless you are a billonaire ,cabinet member , international banker or an industrial tycoon you are also being fucked over just some are being fucked a bit more than others. but i like i said thats what you seem to enjoy
oppressednation 1 year ago
@oppressednation Privatisation is good. We should privatise the NHS and the worthless left-wing BBC.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready no point u offer no decent reply just more bullshit your a good example of why the country is fucked you people have fucked it and now some of you are hating it lol thanx for playing
oppressednation 1 year ago
@oppressednation I hope the unelected autistic freak Gordon Brown goes blind in his only eye.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready me too and tony blair ,david cameron, nick clegg and thatcher
oppressednation 1 year ago
@oppressednation It's a pity Attlee didn't die of cancer for destroying the UK.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready And that's it? THAT'S what caused the UK's decline? I'm not sure you've thought this through.
Books are really useful things, you know.
phillegrange 1 year ago
@phillegrange The British people went into STUPID mode when they voted out Churchill at the end of the war, and then Attlee proceeded to destroy the UK.
I wish he had died of cancer, the evil worthless cunt.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Seriously, books are great.
phillegrange 1 year ago
@phillegrange I'm glad Mo Mowlam died of cancer.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Um...does this mean you're confused?
phillegrange 1 year ago
@phillegrange It's great that Nye Bevan died of cancer, I hope his death was absolute AGONY.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready your not very bright are you you spout off at the mouth with no facts or even theory to back up your silly statements nuff said
oppressednation 1 year ago
@oppressednation Attlee was the worst leader the UK ever had. He turned a once great nation into a welfare state where nobody works. The NHS should be completely privatised along with the worthless left-wing BBC.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready dude you sound about 10 years old repeating what your grandad says you shouldnt be commenting on this go and find a lady gaga video to comment on where it doesnt matter if you make yourself look stupid by repeating the same silly things over an over. by the way have you had a shit out that new arse i ripped ya yesterday
oppressednation 1 year ago
@oppressednation
he is a dumb 16 year old who should not be humoured.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
@JuanMacready
There are 16 year olds and there are 16 year olds and you are one dumb fucking kid. Your'e going to have a tough time when you become an adult.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
@JuanMacready
Karma is going to hit you hard.
You spout off about being such a great patriot 'Juan' doesn't exactly sound British...
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Have you ever been treated by the NHS?
phillegrange 1 year ago
@phillegrange Fuck no!
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready So, where have you been treated?
phillegrange 1 year ago
@phillegrange Nowhere. I was born at the vicarage as it happens and have never been in a hospital.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Hmmm, yes... you DO strike me as more of a 'care in the community' type...
Remember: books are great!
phillegrange 1 year ago
@phillegrange The 1945 election was the worst thing that ever happened.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready no im not scottish and what that has got to do with anything i dont know. enlighten me on why you wanted to know wether i was scottish
oppressednation 1 year ago
@oppressednation So what are you then?
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready english unfortunately
oppressednation 1 year ago
@JuanMacready You see, I'm beginning to think you don't have anything to say - which is really pretty amusing!
phillegrange 1 year ago
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@phillegrange We would have been far better off joining forces with Germany and Italy in 1939.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready I'm beginning to think you sounded a little better when you were saying nothing!!
phillegrange 1 year ago
@JuanMacready
With some luck, you will choke in the middle of the night and do the decent populace a favour. Your'e just a dumb kid that doesn't have a fucking clue about anything but troll around coming out with baseless spleen. Im not a socialist but Clement Attlee was a great man- even Maggie respected him.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 Well said but do talk tidy
grandslam1998 1 year ago
@JuanMacready
Rubbish. Listen kid, you wouldn't be man enough to face what some unemployed people face. You are a cowardly bigotted little keyboard warrior who knows fuck all about anything. You are also a traitor.
Just piss off.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
I'm a Conservative and even i can say Attlee was a good Prime Minister. Not as good as Thatcher, Churchill, Mcmillian, Heath and Eden. But good.
JonoC79 1 year ago
@JonoC79 Attlee was a fucking disaster who destroyed the UK.
JuanMacready 1 year ago 9
@JuanMacready
Really? He gave us the NHS you twat.
thekingmpeg 1 year ago
@thekingmpeg The NHS is evil and should be completely privatised along with the worthless BBC.
I wish Attlee had died of CANCER like that blind cunt Mowlam.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready
You bloody twat! The NHS is a wonderful service that improves lives and saves them. You could live in America, and have a healthcare system where the rich get the great healthcare, and the poor don't. Besides, over 60% of the British population is completely satisfied with their health service. And the BBC is excellent, providing entertaining, educational, informational, etc programs! What the hell is wrong with you?
thekingmpeg 1 year ago
@thekingmpeg The NHS is fucking crap, and should be privatised. Over 60% of the population are of welfare. The BBC is wortgless left-wing crap which should be completely privatised at once.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Oh a capitalism and free-market economy is completely without fault. Like Lehman Bros and RBS (sarcasm)
Christ son, you are (according to your profile) only 16. Come of it you've still got your mothers milk on your face. Go back to your Xbox, and your chronic masterbation over Justin Bieber video's. And leave the proper debate, to the grown ups. Rather then copying the ill-informed rants you hear from the Murdoch press.
JONNOG88 1 year ago
@JONNOG88 I'm glad Mo Mowlam died of cancer at only 55, just after Robin Cook died.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready
I'm glad you will never loose your virginity.
JONNOG88 1 year ago
@JONNOG88 I hope they bring out the army to deal with these worthless rioters tomorrow.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready . You really are a nasty person. Take a good look a yourself and repent.
grandslam1998 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Talk tidy. Atttlee was was a great man of vison and was voted the the best peace time PM. He was a man of the people.
grandslam1998 1 year ago
@grandslam1998 Attlee was a stupid fucking cunt who destroyed the UK. I wish he had died of CANCER.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready What nonsense - more of the Empire was given away under Macmillan. And what would you have preferred - war in India? And how would you have paid off the huge debt we ran up during WWII with the yanks. Oh yeah, no answer.
MrTonymcmahon 1 year ago
@MrTonymcmahon Churchill would have sent the troops to restore order in India. The evil stupid bald cunt Attlee gave away India, Burma, Ireland and much else. I'm glad he was blind when he died, I wish he had died of CANCER like Harold Wilson.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Erm, the Conservatives in the 1950s 'gave away' plenty of colonies. Britain couldn't even 'restore order' in Aden let alone take on the whole of India. How on earth do you think the debt riddled, war torn country that Attlee took over was going to take on India? BTW - Juan Macready doesn't sound like a very English name.
MrTonymcmahon 1 year ago
@MrTonymcmahon Churchill would have sent the troops the Vicreoy requested. Eden did the right thing in responding to the Suez Crisis, a fact that Eisenhower, Nixon and Dulles all later acknowledged. Attlee's legacy is that more than 8 million adults of working age in the UK live on benefits and never work at all.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready The last Viceroy of India was the vainglorious and self promoting Lord Mountbatten and if you believe anything he ever wrote then...oh dear.
MrTonymcmahon 1 year ago
@MrTonymcmahon Earl Mountbatten of Burma was a great hero, and Churchill would have sent the necessary troops to keep India.
I wish Attlee had died of cancer like Harold Wilson.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready You fucking cretin!
What is it with you wishing cancer on people? First David Cameron, then Nick Clegg, then Jeremy Irons and now Clement Attlee?
When you die slowly and painfully from cancer I will jump for joy and dance on your grave.
dezboss 1 year ago
@dezboss I never wished anything on Cameron or Clegg.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@dezboss The world WOULD be a better place without tories
J4K31 10 months ago
@J4K31 That's a load of rubbish for a start.
dezboss 10 months ago
@dezboss I'm guessing you're a tory
J4K31 10 months ago
@J4K31 As a matter of fact no, I'm only centre right. But I have no alliance to the Conservative Party or the Labour Party.
dezboss 9 months ago
@JuanMacready Well if he did support Churchill in Britain fight against the Nazis, also he introduced the NHS something which is even more impressive seeing Britain was bankrupt and taking loans from the US and trying to regain it's economy, this is supported by the fact that historians regard him to be the greatest PM post-war and one of the greatest of all time. So your statement is bollocks.
aced1592 1 year ago
@aced1592 We certainly made a HUGE mistake going to war in 1939, we should have let Hitler overrun Europe and then invade Russia. The NHS is fucking crap like the worthless BBC. Taking loans from the US was a stupid idea. Attlee was a fucking useless cunt and I wish he had died of cancer like Nye Bevan.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
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@JuanMacready Are you just a troll or do you want a real political argument?
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@JuanMacready my God how far is your head up your arse?
aced1592 1 year ago
@aced1592 We should have had no treaty with Poland, if we had simply let Hitler overrun Europe he would have turned on Russia before us, and that way Britain would have remained a world power and the Empire would have been preserved.
I wish Attlee had died of cancer like that other worthless cunt Harold Wilson.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Well ignorance is bliss especially in your case.
aced1592 1 year ago
@aced1592 I'm glad Mo Mowlam died blind from cancer just after Robin Cook died.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JonoC79 Churchill was a terrible politician. Fine, he won the war. That was it. Domestic policy=FAIL. Thatcher=Evil, society-killing bitch from hell.
KungfuCow5 6 months ago
@KungfuCow5 no the Allies won the war, he was just a charismatic leader.
irishgodfatherchris 6 months ago
@KungfuCow5 That's an interesting opinion. History disagrees with you.
wks1978 4 months ago
@wks1978 During the 1945 election Churchill not only lost to a huge majority but was also heckled during the campaign with cries of "We want Clement" as the British people lacked his domestic policy- He was absolutely hated before the war because of his treatment of workers strikes. When Chamberlain resigned there were very few, even within the government, who wanted him as PM.
KungfuCow5 4 months ago
@KungfuCow5 You are probably right about Churchill's ineptitude at gaining public support outside the time of war. His prewar popularity was low. The problem for his detractors is that he was right in his criticism of appeasement. He was always more interested in international affairs than domestic politics, like Tony Blair. he was, however, a shrewd historian. He did his best to leave a positive legacy for himself.
I don't understand how you equate evilness with disagreement.
wks1978 4 months ago
@wks1978 In other words he was a jammy bastard.
KungfuCow5 4 months ago
Clement Attlee, the greatest Prime Minister in UK History, a legend!
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Attlee was the worst Prime Minister the UK ever had.
So sorry the stupid bald prick didn't die of cancer.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready You're a fucking idiot.
Enough said.
J4K31 10 months ago
People forget the state that Attlee left the country in, the economy was a disaster. He gave us the NHS but his faults definitely outweighed the goods.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi No, you're wrong. Horribly wrong. You're actually a fucking retard for thinking Attlee created the national debt. I'm not even going to speak to you. I guess you think the Winter of discontent was Labour's fault too, and the newest financial crisis? You dumbass right winger.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
What a load of Right Wing Wankers you are!! Do you not have any human compassion?!!
Feisty1967 1 year ago
@Feisty1967 Ignore JuanMacready, he's clearly mentally ill. Bear in mind that he supported Hitler's action and hoped we were invaded by the Germans during WW2 just so we could apparently 'keep our empire'.
Attlee is a fucking legend, the best PM we've ever had. Right wingers hate him because he introduced loads of brilliant left wing legislations to this country.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Well said. JuanMacready thinks Oliver Cromwell was the greatest man to live, that hanging innocent people is ok, and that smokers "deserve" to die of lung cancer.
Atlee was indeed the best PM we've ever had. He was just as important to the war-time government as Churchill, and supparsed him when he became the 1st labour leader to win a landslide and create the NHS. The tories have since done all they can to ruin our NHS!
FabFM 1 year ago
@FabFM Yeah, he says Oliver Cromwell was the greatest person to live because he went against the Royalists in the English civil war. Don't get why that makes sense, Cromwell would better be respected by the left wing since he destroyed that religious BS.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Cromwell was exactly what the UK needs right now, a powerful right-wing military dictator who was also supreme military commander.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready He was not a right winter. The right wingers were the fools that thought the King had a divine right. Learn some history, dipshit. Oh wait, you're mentally ill, so there's no point. Check yourself into a near mental institute, and you'll be just fine.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Is that why he carried out genocide in Ireland and Scotland? Yes, that was VERY left-wing of him!
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@ToaJoe
juanmacready is a bigotted, vitriolic little shit with nothing positive to contribute whatsoever. he is also quite confused. its probably best to ignore him.
WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 1 year ago
@FabFM Attlee was the worst Prime Minister the UK ever had, and I would like to see the evil NHS completely privatised along with the worthless left-wing BBC.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready Atlee was the greatest PM this country ever had. The only reason you think the NHS is evil is cause you want to live in a dictatorship. Britian's the wrong country for you mate, piss of to North Korea!
FabFM 1 year ago
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@FabFM Attlee was a fucking cunt who ruined the UK. I wish he had died of cancer, you fucking FAGGOT.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Attlee was a fucking disaster and he destroyed the once-great UK by turning it into a welfare state where everybody is paid not to work.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
Churchill was still alive
The 5 living PMs mentioned were Churchill, Attlee, Eden, Macmillan and Douglas Home
bismuthcadmium 1 year ago
I remember a similarly aged Jim Callaghan commenting on Blair becoming PM in 1997.
SeventiesMania 1 year ago
... ch ch charming ... Dalton was rejected I think because as a child he annoyed Queen Victoriia ... he was ¨Canon Dalton´s naughty boy¨.
MusicPredominates 1 year ago
If we had listened to Attlee we would have a social Democratic British Empire & a Social Democratic European Union - but Britain was too weak to keep India - so he did the best he could on India.
infokemp 1 year ago
@infokemp What makes you think Britain could even afford to keep India after 1945? Frankly, the Empire should have been liquidated after 1918, and that it wasn't even done so after 1945 thanks to Attlee is one of the reasons we are still hopelessly in decline. Since 1945 empires have been an anachronistic detail. Other countries - Japan, West Germany - stuck to their own territory and built vast industries while Little Britain worried about retaining impoverished lands it could not afford.
omsct 1 year ago
@omsct The Empire could have been retained if Churchill had remained Prime Minister. I wish Attlee had died of lung cancer.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready You clearly don't know anything about money or economics if you think that the Empire would have still lasted under a Churchill government
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Well we certainly made a huge mnistake fighting World War II but we would have been much better off had the worthless cunt Attlee never got in.
JuanMacready 1 year ago
@JuanMacready BTW, do you mind telling me WHY you hate Attlee so much? It doesn't matter if you disagree with his views. A good politician is someone who democratically tries to inforce what they believe in. I hate Thatcher's policies, but I don't hate HER. Attlee was a brilliant PM, the best PM in history. Churchill was the better war leader we ever had. I guess in terms of influence, Thatcher would come 3rd, but Harold Wilson was better than she was.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Better than Gladstone, or David Lloyd George? Harold Wilson was yet another idiot who cared more about the polls than about Britain's decline. He is one among a large number who pretty much made sure that we were going to slip further and further. Thatcher gets the economy going again and her policies are detested. Wilson was a selfish knob who did nothing except watch the country go down and apparently is better. I don't get it.
omsct 1 year ago
@omsct Yes, I like Lloyd George better as a PM than Churchill but Churchill was the best war leader, mainly due to his speeches.
Harold Wilson took away the death penalty. He legalized abortion and homosexuality. He reformed the laws surronding divorce.
Those achievements make him better than Thatcher. All Thatcher did was throw thousands of people out of work in an attempt to bring Britain to the right.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe I meant was Attlee really better than Gladstone or Lloyd George?
I'm not a Thatcherite, or even a Conservative with a capital 'C', but at least Thatcher seemed to achieve the one thing that had baffled all leaders since the way - namely, to get the economy actually moving, even while seeing the unions or nationalisation manage to bring down entire industries.
omsct 1 year ago