nadir ahmed vs christian prince investigateislam debate 1

[liduq]

Jesus of islam, the true Jesus...???

Thinking of the stories of the clay bird or the talking baby Jesus... Stories taking from Jewish tales for children, wrote 2 or 3 haudreds year AC ! HA HA HA !!!

Why is it that Nadir not talking about the Hitler Muslim troops...

[taten21]

fuck you nadir terrorist is synanimous to muslim

[HitmanKillsIslam]

@taten21

Same here bro

[followerofjesus1984]

the better topic, would be, why does this idiot nadir make up lies christianity is not a religion of terror like u claim, that would be your religion

and this one awer shows ur intellectual dishonesty, as u have no clue about our religion, quit debating yeshua aint hitler either

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 One question, are you telling me your God came out of a Vagina? When your God was in a Vagina who was controlling the Universe?

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia well no, we are not saying God came out of a virgina, our God is one in being but is three in person. the second person the eternal son was sent into the world , born of a women and died for our sin, and the father remain in control till now, and now the eternal son is with the father controlling the universe

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 WTF LOL!!!!! Your confused. Why do you beleive this shit?

[T2Mia]

@T2Mia You obviously don't read the Bible like most Christians. You Bible orders , Genocide, Rape, Incest, Peadophilia, Terror, Cannabalism. Read your Bible prove me wrong.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia well its not shit, it th truth, jesus is eternal and God is shared b tree persons

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 Learn about theism, what your talking about is a pagan beleif of the Trinity called "Tritheism". This was incorporated into christinaity at the Council of Nicea.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia no u need to some studying not me, we believe in one God who has been revealed in 3 person, its mono theism, and why do u limit God, he can come in form of a man if he chooses and he did

tri - theism is 3 gods in 1 like hindus, not us

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 We beleive that God can do anything but will only do those things that befit his Majesty. For example could you imagine the Queen rapping and dancing on stage? She could but she won't because it doesn't befit her to do such a thing. You go beyond 3 persons and say God came out of a vagina, defecated, slept, got tired, died, ate. You gave a messenger of God divinty and worship him instead of God.

[T2Mia]

@T2Mia Tri theism 3 Gods in One is the same as 3 persons in One, whats the confusion, Christians are pagans.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia no cause we believe in God fullstop, ur mislead into thinking we dont buy surah 5 :116..... we dont believe in three Gods just one, who is in three persons

read the dictionary under trinity then tritheism they totally different, and were not pagan

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia and no one gave him anything, he is etenally God the son, if anything the quran derobes him, and is factually wrong, cause this what he came for to die for the sin of mankind

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 Jesus was a mortal and not a demi god or god incarnate or son, Your confused. Everyone is responsible for there sins. Christianity is a pagan relegion because you give divinty to others when only God ha sthat right. Tell m why do you worship the Son and not the Father?

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia no, jesus is the son of God, ur religion is steeped in paganism, the mecca, the kaaba, circling the mecca, even ur prophet was a pagan, like his parents, and surah 53 : 19 - 22 shows how satan influenced him in give admiration to other Gds the tree daughters,

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia jesus is God, and ur lost, the quran is an arguement intself, cause, says a human , yet say he created life in a bird so .....

the bible is clear on who jesus , the quran is based on ignorance

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 Your God orders you to eat babies, to commit peadophilia, terror, incest, drunkedness. Sorry but I could not worship anything that came out of a Vagina. Why be a hypocrite? You relegion is plagued with idolism, paganism, satanism and everything that opposes the tru message of chrsit, yes, Christianity is th Anti Christ faith.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia this is just an attack on the bible, and ur making reference to it though ur dulusional state, we dont worship Jesus cause he was born of women, we worship him cause is the eternal son of God, he came to the world to die for our sin

God doesnt order incest, terror or ne kind of thing like this, its huaman nature to this and and that why u find accounts of it

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia let me explain a little futher, as i know ur nit picking n not understanding

1 u have God devine commands to wipe out nations that commit sinful deeds against God, and 2 u have the human nature being

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia clearly shown to us in the old testament to show how God would handle the situation, like in david case, he commited adultry with a married women, and then she bcame pregnant, and he killed the husband and married the women , and God found this very dishonest and distatsteful and sent a curse on david to teachim he doesnt tolorate evil acts

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia and christianity is not the anitichrist faith, that would be islam as it built on hatrid and lies

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 The verses are clear, you are just trying to make excuses. You God orders you to eat babies and commit peadophilia and terrorism. Tell me in what way do you worship the Father? You worship a messenger of God. Jesus does not know what Christianity is, nor do Christians.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia give me the verse, that says to eat babies, there is none, its from the mouth satan and his lies u use

i worship the father through the son, Jesus is not a servant, this is ur ideology, and its weak, Christianity comes from his name Christ or the title, but saying he doesnt know Christianity, is saying he knows nothing of islam except the false prophet

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 LMAO!!! Read your Bible!!! obviously you don't!!! You worship the Son. Jesus spoke of Muhammad in the Bible!!! You Christians are all the same, lies and deceit. When Jesus prayed and called out, who was he calling out too? himself? LMAO! No my freind it is YOU who has a deviant ideology about God. You have stripped God of his Devine abilities and given them to a Messenger. Muslims look and dress like Jesus how about you?

[T2Mia]

@T2Mia Stop asking me to show you verses, it is your bible, you look it up.

[T2Mia]

@T2Mia Prove that i'm lying, your God orders you to eat babies.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia i have been carefully reading for 2 years and i know it very well and i want to give me the verse about eating babies, and as for JESUS SPEAKING OF MUHAMMAD THIS HAD BEEN PUT TO BED, HE DOES, NO WHERE NOT JOHN 14 :26, AND IN JOHN 16, ITS THE HOLY SPRITI, THAT DWELLS IN THE APOSTLES AS IT CLEARLY STATES, EITHER UR LOST OR UR DULUDED,

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia MUSLIMS LOOK AND DRESS LIKE JESUS, SO WOT DOES HE LIKE LIKE NOT LIKE A MUSLIM, STARTERS HE WAS A JEW AND JEWISH PROBABLY LOOK MORE LIKE THAN U . LOOK THIS KIND OF INSULT SHOW WHIO IS NOT BEING TRUE TO cHRIST, I LOVE HIM, AND KNOW HE DIED FOR THE SIN OF MAN AS THE WHOLE BIBLE INDICATES, U DENY HIM IN THIS SO , ITS CLEAR EVERY LAST NT BOOK SAYS HE DIED FOR OUR SIN, IT WAS PREY FROM DAY 1

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia ALSO I FIND INTERESTING THAT U SAY U AREMORE LIKE jESUS THEN US, THAT WOULD BE CONTRADICT UR TEACHING, UR PROPHET SHOULD AND IS UR ROLE MODEL, AS WE CAN SEE UR SPROUTING LIE AFTER LIE, U CALL EVERY RELION WRONG APART OF, WHICH IS MORE OF A FALSE RELIGION, GO AND BE LIKE UR LYING PROPHET, MAN, JESUS DOESNT NEED YOU UNLESS U COME TO HIM IN SEEKING THE TRUTH, HE DIED FOR UR SIN , WHICH IS CLEAR, AND U DENY IT

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia SO SINCE U GIVE A QUOTE SOMETHING  AND GIVE NO REFERENCE TO IT, THEN I CAN TAKE AS BEING UR OWN IMAGINATION, WHERE AS THE OTHER THERE BUT EVEDENTLY U HAVE NOT GIVEN THE PASSAGE TIME TO EXPLAIN TO U WHAT IS BEING SED, SO THEN I CAN GET FROM THIS THAT UR JUST MISGUIDED

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 "I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh during the stress of the siege imposed on them by the enemies who seek their lives." - Jeremiah 19:9 No my freind you are deluded, Jesus will not save you, you must save yourself. Stop using Jesus as scapegoat, No one shall bear the sin of another.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia ok now u given me the verse i seen what u done, ths is God responce to people sinning against him read the passage, it clearly ss that these peopl abadoned God and went worship other gods li baalso frth, a thi passage 9is what God is t jstfy hislf ad this wht done who am i to jude h coosof actions in punishing them, and who are you to judge

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 Your God Ordered you to Eat babies, Don't try twisting the verse. Your God is weak, he ate, slept, defecated, prayed to himself, died, and came out of a Vagina. Sorry, but you can keep your ignorant view, Tritheism- The beleif of three gods in one, pagan, thats Christianity.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia pleas go and read the whole verse, all the passage, it not telling us to eat anyone, its God say he make them eat eachother, nothing about babis, so dont impose ur thoughts onto the text, and of course jesus done all of these thing as a human, but this is nit picking, the eternal son became a man and died for our sin

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia i ask you, prove ur claim, what we believe goes back to the first centry to he me of jesus and there for has no bearence in the council

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984God is the Creator and everything else is created including Jesus. Have you not read Surah Ahad? Say: He is Allah, The Eternal, He does not beget, Nor was he begotten, and there is nothing comparable to him.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia nope jesus is eternal, not created, he is the holy son of God, even ur quran confirm thishe is the word of God and the spirit in surah3 45, and the holy son son in surah19 : 19

and in the bible he is the word in john 1: 1 - 14, the holy son in luke 1 : 35

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 The explanation of the verses in the Qu'ran are understood only by the authenticated chain of narrations dating back to the Prophet. Only he could give the true understaing of the Qu'ran. It is clear that we have a diffrent opinion about God, This is what divides all Relegions. But we do share one thing in common, Our Love for Jesus Christ the Son of Mary, May Gods blessings be upon him.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia to be honest, these praise were taken from the Christian scripture, and ur prophet never understood the implication behind these statements, and the hadifs wont give u the answer where as the bible does, even for the reason on Jesus in the way he was born themiracle birth

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia u love a Jesus who some how was related to moses, according to 3::35, 42- 45 which is historically incorrect, as the sist of moses and aaron, is call mariam, and mary is not, there not the same person, there are 140 centries between them

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 You really a have no understanding of Islam whatsoever. Arron was a pious man in the time of Mary, Mary was devout that is why she was nicknamed Sister of Arron. You rey to much on the lies of your Christian freinds. Paul was a false messiah as Jesus said there would be many false Christs. Paul is the founder of Christianity. He has deceieved you. I swear by almighty God you will come to know how wrong you are.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia well, this not a good thing, cause mary had nothing to do with him, i go by what the bible teaches, andnot the quran, mary is from house hold of david, ad jesus is a in line of david and abraham. all i am trying to say is that muhammad got it wrong, mary and mariam are two different women, and the quran mistakes them as he same,

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia attacking pual is not a good move, cause first he never claimed to be the messiah , but an apostle, and he was chosen by Jesus in a vision to be the catalyst for gentile s to hear Jesus message of hope n salvation. and no he was not a founder of Christianity Jesus is the founder, paul and the other disciples were the member chosen to get it moving, they never corrupted it

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 Paul the Anti Christ was a 'Self Appointed Apostle'. Why is Paul listed as the more influential than Jesus in '100 Greatest Men'? and why is Muhammad ranked as no.1? Paul was Saul of Tarsus an enemy of Christ just as Hitler was an enemy of the jews. Jesus did not come for the Gentiles, Muhammad did, His name is mentioned in the Bible and even the Hindu Scriptures. Pagan Paul has corrupted your mind.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia doesnt matter, on this, ur attack are easily refuted, and ur attacks can easily make ur own prophet i same line, u say paul is false cause he receive revation from a vision, and so did muhammad

[followerofjesus1984]

@followerofjesus1984 ur gonna say duet 18 : 18, john 14 and 16, no not one bit, firstly deut 18: 18 is about the immediate prophets after and more largely Jesus, and john 14 and and 16 are about the holy spirit, the comforter,

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 I can prove Pagan Paul the Anti Christ and enemy of Jesus was a liar and deceiver. Pagan Paul has tricked you.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia is that so, go a head my friend give it ur best

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 Pagan Paul introduced the worship of Jesus. Show me where Jesus says "I am God, Worship me". Pagan Paul invented Christianity, follow Jesus. Pagan Paul saw a devil because he knew nothing about Jesus or his teachings. He was either possesed or a complete lunatic.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia one thing a a time, u say paul introduced pagan, not at all, there no proof just ur assumption, give one single proof, the disciple and all the followers worshipped jesus before him,peter worshipped him, and the other disciples clearly did if u just read the bible and let it speak,

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 I don't care what anyone else said or did, Show me where Jesus says "I am God, Worship me".

[T2Mia]

@T2Mia By the way you accused me of lying about the eating of flesh (You still do it inChurch anyway). You said it was misguidance from the Devil. I proved it was in your Bible and you affirmed it is from the Devil.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia what u on about, we dont eat flesh, where did u get this from , give me the references

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia well i did, i said he sed he sid he was yahweh and the son of God

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia and as for this i am god -worship is deedats line, Jesus doesnot need to conform to this ill faith tal, how ever Jesus said he was the son of God and used God person name about 20 time, yahwah like john 8 : 58 and more so

[followerofjesus1984]

@followerofjesus1984 now let me turn this on u where did jesus say in his words he was not God, or a prophet in the quran

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia u say he was either possessed or a lunatic, he as neither he was spiritually visited by Jesus, and there are plenty of witnesses to this in the incident, the man who healed him from being blind, and the disciples who later accepted him

[followerofjesus1984]

@followerofjesus1984 and this line reflect on muhammad he was definatly possed by satan for the satanic verses like surah 53 :19 - 22

and he he was a lunatic as well hell bent on war and created a religion for this purpose 2: 191-2, 9:29

[followerofjesus1984]

@followerofjesus1984 and ur religion is steeped in paganism, the mecca, kaaba, the walking around it, and so forth all pagan

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 "Thereupon she pointed to him. They said, 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet; 'And HE has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live;

[T2Mia]

'And HE has made me dutiful towards my mother, and has not made me arrogant and graceless; 'And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.' That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt."—Qur'an, Surah 19:30-35

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia yet u fail to deliever a verse where it says jesus sed it, and not someone else putting in his mouth, not a statement by jesus

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia this is some else wrd not his own so it is not true, try again

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 You asked for verses from the Qu'ran about what Jesus said!!! Jesus never said he was God. You have not read the Qu'ran completely otherwise you will find that Jesus was a devout worshipper, slave and messenger of God. Your Jesus is not unique. Sun Worshippers and Christians share the same paganistic beleifs. Paul was delusional, like you.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia he nver said anything in the quran, open uer eyes even the verse u gave u can tell someelse wrote and claim that he sid the way opens with he said, inother word he did not say this, but some forged it and the wayit ends is a big give away such was jusus juesus, why would jesus say this, i mean if some one was reporting his word they make an attempts say jesus said, rather than he said

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" (88) Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! (89) At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin. (90) That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious. (91) For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son. (92)

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia now this is twisted logic we dont say God need a consort or a wife to have a son, he is the eternal son who exsisted before creation, he is our lord an creator and u need to wake up ur being decieved, yet u have a mother of ur book so

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia we share nothing with pagans, we are a religion of ourown right, and o prove him as the son of godread john 5 : 19 - 30 and pay closeattenton lie 25, then go to john 10 :22 - 42 and pay closeattention to line 36

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 4:171-172 "O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say Of Allah ought but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and the Spirit proceeding From Him: so believe In Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above Having a son.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia interesting but irelievent, as this is not helping cause it he is the word o, so now u have a seres problem, and a spirit proceeding from him so jesus is the word n spirit, is the word of allah eternal?

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 Your a complete ignoramus. In every instance you've asked for proof I have shown you. You even thought I was lying about the verses in the Bible but I proved you wrong. You asked for proof about what Jesus says in the Qu'ran and I showed you but you still reject the truth. Satan has completely fooled you, he is laughing at you right now, don't blame him, you are a stupid human being.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia 1 u completely misqouted the passage it said the lord would make the enemy eat their own children, it not an implication method for people to do it, o ur are wrong, no i asked u to give one verse where Jesus said it himself and th passages u gave clear tell us someone else said and not jesus, ope ur eyes mate, the truth is Jesus never said that other wise it would say jesus said and he said

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus the son of Mary! didst thou say unto men 'worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"? He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

This verse is a clear indication that jesus opposes this evil christian ideology.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia no this is the one vere tht show islams misconception of ha we are about, we dont believe in mary as a God, nor do we see jesus as another God, but is one of the persons of the trinity, we believe in one God who has came in the form of 3 spiritual parson,

the passage is tri thesim and not what we believe in, no Christian believes in 3 God but one God and the persons are the father, the son and the holy spirit

[followerofjesus1984]

@followerofjesus1984 as for Jesus opressing, not true, one but, my lord never oppress thing in which he is reason for,

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 Is Jesus talking to God or himself? who is he praying to? does he seperate into 3 entities? many men have been worshipped as Gods, Jesus is just one of those men.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia ok this is just a long winding road,

Christian believe in one God, who has been revealed in 3 persons, one person being the father, one person being the son, and one person being the holy spirit

Jesus is the son, who was praying to the father who is the one of the persons, 1st person of the trinity

i agree men have , but jesus is not just a man , he was and always willbe he 2nd person of the God head, who existed before all creation, so dont compare them as they do not even match

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 Fucking hell what a load of bollocks, keep your false ideas idiot, I've got better things to do.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia 3 things, this reply shows ur honest actions " fucking hell and idiot" when trying to have dialogue ---- it also makes it cler u cant have anything goodto say

false ideas -------------- no true, its just the way these things are to be seen specially when in most prayers, he says father, ad then inoneprayer in particular he aks for the father to glory hi the way they both were before the world was made

[followerofjesus1984]

@followerofjesus1984 and alo u have no patience to even try to understand our perspective, and will just continue to follow lies of ur leaderabout our faith

[T2Mia]

@followerofjesus1984 "And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a grave false charge, and for their saying, 'We killed the messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messiah of God"…yet they did not slay him, neither crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who are at variance concerning him are surely in doubt the following of conjecture; and they did not kill him of certainty…no indeed; God raised him up to Him; God is Almighty, Allwise.

[T2Mia]

@T2Mia Qur'an 5:116-120 Surah Al-Ma'idah (The Table Spread)

And behold! Allah will say "O Jesus the son of Mary! didst thou say unto men 'worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah"? He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia this a contradiction on 2 level, we believe in one God who is eternally 3 persons, not 3 Gods, and none of them is mary

[followerofjesus1984]

@T2Mia and what this proves at best is this allah knowledge isnt all knowing, cause this passage indicates tri - theism, and trinitainism