Waw, this is such a brilliant recording! If it is a MIDI, then it's by far one of the, if not the best I have ever heard! Sounds very very realistic...
Just so everyone's aware - this isn't played by a pianist. It's a sample of a sound sample library of piano sounds. To be used in MIDI playback, if I'm not mistaken.
@BenMcCormack91 It is not a computer generated performance. I have listened to it again and it involves the kind of imperfections the computer is not able to recreate. MIDI playback does not mean it is played by machine. The sample is not a digital mix of sounds, it is played by a pianist - someone alive!
In other words: the current sample of a sound sample sound library here happens to be 8.00 minutes long.
"Computer" impersonated by a human - the best joke I have heard in months. :))
@lenucya Look up the Sampletekk grand. It's a real thing, and this video channel solely has videos using said library.
Voicing, accents, dynamics, rubato and pedaling are all entirely programmable, even note by note, and since the library has 32 key velocities, it's quite possible to get a fairly realistic sound out of it. There are two wrong notes in the prelude, both of which are placed in ways that seem more like typos to me.
@BenMcCormack91 Dear Ben, imperfections are all those little charming (in this case) human things of unevenness, hands not quite together, any sweet evidence of fighting against the material by the means of either delays or speeding up.
Talking of sampling, how long is the sample? A piece long?
@lenucya Okay; I think you're misunderstanding a few concepts related to MIDI.
A sample library for a piano consists of a collection of sounds made by that piano. Bad libraries will just have one sound sample for each key. Good libraries sample each key at different velocities, and the best will also record each note with sustain pedal (capturing overtones) and the una corda pedal at the different velocities. Mic placement and acoustic can also be manipulated.
@BenMcCormack91 Asking a hypothetical "how long is the sample?" question I meant that if the structuring involves single sounds, the performer is the person operating the computer program. If the sample is a piece long, obviously, how can I say it mildly, a free use of someone's work is involved. That is why my first question one year ago was: who is the performer? And, obviously, it is not computer, in neither of the two cases.
@BenMcCormack91 I did find Gavotte and Gigue noticeably devoid of a strong individual core. Is it a lower sugar point in the performance or a computerised compilation of who knows what, I have no idea.
However, do look up the Joyce Hatto case if you like, there you will find a few relevant leads.
@lenucya MIDI or playback methods resembling MIDI are basically just a set of instructions telling the computer when to play back which sound samples. Depending on the software and the sound library, you could specify dynamics, tempo, pedals, etc.
This sort of thing can either be done manually or can take its data from a recording (using yet more software). The data from a recording will include all those mistakes you're talking about. But now it's possible to manipulate them and tweak them.
So to clarify, it's possible this recording has a root in a human performance. After your first comment, I listened to the video again and realized that that much was probably true. The timing is quirky enough that it wouldn't likely be a computer - though I've borne witness to MIDI playback in Finale making its own special little mistakes and screwing up the timing quite often.
@BenMcCormack91 If the human performance is at the root, the rest is just fiddling with some effects. My original point remains: the sustaining and charismatic element of this performance is a human soul. Therefore it is not a reading of computerised "intelligence" which has neither spontaneity nor vulnerability and absolutely void of inspiration and genuine feeling. This is obviously not the case here. My remarks here mostly address the Prelude.
Also, I just played the video again and caught one of the biggest "tells," so to speak, when you're listening for computer players - there are several noticeable points in the Gavotte and the Gigue where octaves or chords are played with all notes at a flat, equal dynamic. Not only is this somewhat tough for a human being to do perfectly; it's usually considered undesirable because of the odd balance it produces. Usually, certain notes will be voiced above others in that situation.
@lenucya That said, I hope you understand my intention is not to say this computer is equal to human performance, so much as it is to say that a human can do far better, which I think is an optimistic outlook, at the least. Before reading that this was a sample library, I had guessed as much. We're nowhere near computers taking over the job of human musicians, however real or false this recording might be.
this is fantastic playing, thank you very much for posting! Will be very grateful if you could let me know, please, who is the pianist. Both are rare: recording of this magnificent suite in Rachmaninov's transcription as well as brilliant players like this.
epic arrangement =D however it sounds like someone is playing it =P
its shown in the nice articulated notes/dynamics and slowing down =D
AlexLewiss 1 month ago
yes I think Rachmaninoff es a genius too
jubeltr 1 month ago
WOW RACHMANINOFF IS A GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
muyy1 4 months ago
Waw, this is such a brilliant recording! If it is a MIDI, then it's by far one of the, if not the best I have ever heard! Sounds very very realistic...
chrismanners1 5 months ago
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ipoodaily 5 months ago
Just so everyone's aware - this isn't played by a pianist. It's a sample of a sound sample library of piano sounds. To be used in MIDI playback, if I'm not mistaken.
That being said - nice sound library!
BenMcCormack91 11 months ago 8
@BenMcCormack91 It is not a computer generated performance. I have listened to it again and it involves the kind of imperfections the computer is not able to recreate. MIDI playback does not mean it is played by machine. The sample is not a digital mix of sounds, it is played by a pianist - someone alive!
In other words: the current sample of a sound sample sound library here happens to be 8.00 minutes long.
"Computer" impersonated by a human - the best joke I have heard in months. :))
lenucya 6 months ago
@lenucya Look up the Sampletekk grand. It's a real thing, and this video channel solely has videos using said library.
Voicing, accents, dynamics, rubato and pedaling are all entirely programmable, even note by note, and since the library has 32 key velocities, it's quite possible to get a fairly realistic sound out of it. There are two wrong notes in the prelude, both of which are placed in ways that seem more like typos to me.
What sort of imperfections did you mean?
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@BenMcCormack91 Dear Ben, imperfections are all those little charming (in this case) human things of unevenness, hands not quite together, any sweet evidence of fighting against the material by the means of either delays or speeding up.
Talking of sampling, how long is the sample? A piece long?
Have you heard of the Joyce Hatto case?
lenucya 6 months ago
@lenucya Okay; I think you're misunderstanding a few concepts related to MIDI.
A sample library for a piano consists of a collection of sounds made by that piano. Bad libraries will just have one sound sample for each key. Good libraries sample each key at different velocities, and the best will also record each note with sustain pedal (capturing overtones) and the una corda pedal at the different velocities. Mic placement and acoustic can also be manipulated.
BenMcCormack91 6 months ago
@BenMcCormack91 Asking a hypothetical "how long is the sample?" question I meant that if the structuring involves single sounds, the performer is the person operating the computer program. If the sample is a piece long, obviously, how can I say it mildly, a free use of someone's work is involved. That is why my first question one year ago was: who is the performer? And, obviously, it is not computer, in neither of the two cases.
lenucya 6 months ago
@BenMcCormack91 I did find Gavotte and Gigue noticeably devoid of a strong individual core. Is it a lower sugar point in the performance or a computerised compilation of who knows what, I have no idea.
However, do look up the Joyce Hatto case if you like, there you will find a few relevant leads.
lenucya 6 months ago
@lenucya MIDI or playback methods resembling MIDI are basically just a set of instructions telling the computer when to play back which sound samples. Depending on the software and the sound library, you could specify dynamics, tempo, pedals, etc.
This sort of thing can either be done manually or can take its data from a recording (using yet more software). The data from a recording will include all those mistakes you're talking about. But now it's possible to manipulate them and tweak them.
BenMcCormack91 6 months ago
So to clarify, it's possible this recording has a root in a human performance. After your first comment, I listened to the video again and realized that that much was probably true. The timing is quirky enough that it wouldn't likely be a computer - though I've borne witness to MIDI playback in Finale making its own special little mistakes and screwing up the timing quite often.
BenMcCormack91 6 months ago
@BenMcCormack91 If the human performance is at the root, the rest is just fiddling with some effects. My original point remains: the sustaining and charismatic element of this performance is a human soul. Therefore it is not a reading of computerised "intelligence" which has neither spontaneity nor vulnerability and absolutely void of inspiration and genuine feeling. This is obviously not the case here. My remarks here mostly address the Prelude.
lenucya 6 months ago
Also, I just played the video again and caught one of the biggest "tells," so to speak, when you're listening for computer players - there are several noticeable points in the Gavotte and the Gigue where octaves or chords are played with all notes at a flat, equal dynamic. Not only is this somewhat tough for a human being to do perfectly; it's usually considered undesirable because of the odd balance it produces. Usually, certain notes will be voiced above others in that situation.
BenMcCormack91 6 months ago
@lenucya That said, I hope you understand my intention is not to say this computer is equal to human performance, so much as it is to say that a human can do far better, which I think is an optimistic outlook, at the least. Before reading that this was a sample library, I had guessed as much. We're nowhere near computers taking over the job of human musicians, however real or false this recording might be.
BenMcCormack91 6 months ago
profanazione.
Cinturatorrente 1 year ago
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Amayzing fingers cheers for pianst i'm so happy when i hear something good .... Cheer again
Aloebunny 1 year ago
UOW... seems real piano played by a pro :)
5 stars for you mf!
evilasiov 1 year ago
Sounds like Helene Grimaud
richardmedwell 1 year ago
amazing. sounds so real.
ekklesiast 1 year ago
Who is the pianist?
phusislogos 1 year ago
I only can say the same , very interesting interpretation, however it was done and by whom....
uhartchristian 2 years ago
this is fantastic playing, thank you very much for posting! Will be very grateful if you could let me know, please, who is the pianist. Both are rare: recording of this magnificent suite in Rachmaninov's transcription as well as brilliant players like this.
many thanks again.
lenucya 2 years ago
@lenucya yes the computer is brilliant indeed :))
minasgekos 6 months ago
@minasgekos no computer can fake human imperfections of which there are plenty. Cheers!
lenucya 6 months ago
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