Unfortunately, he left out the part that Cinebench is made by MAXON, which means it has the same AR engine that Cinema 4D has, and every veteran user of C4D knows that OpenGL scores have always been better on the Windows side for some time now, assuming both machines being compared have identical, or near identical GPU's.
OSX has been slower due to limited GPU selections and outdated OpenGL.
These are OpenGL scores. Most PC games use DirectX. I have a mac, and I must say, PC's are infinity times better for gaming. Go do the test with DirectX. OH WAIT, MACS DON'T FUCKING HAVE DIRECT X!
@Futureshopmac "MACS DON'T FUCKING HAVE DIRECT X!" Like that is a minus :D Nothing have stupid DirectX except MS Windows and Xbox.
"PC's are infinity times better for gaming." WRONG !!! Mac was always been better for gaming but people like you only count quantity not quality. Every Game that i tried on both platforms are better on Mac.
@Pikacharve Retard neither OS except Windows don't have DirectX so it's stupid to count that as some minus and look at game quality trought DirectX.
Second OpenGL is not too much behind D3D in funcionality so end user don't see a difference in finished product and when you count high portability of OpenGL you have a winner and that is not DirectX or better to say Direct3D. You are really retarded if you think that XXX API mean better graphic, better game or better gamng platform.
@AdrianoCROST Like that is a minus? Dude I have a fucking macbook and mac pro, ill show you a video if you want to. Direct X is a lot more powerful than Open GL. A lot of games run using direct x. I get consistently better performance on my bootcamp partition using Direct X 9 than on mac. And my windows 7 which has Direct X 10 looks phenomenal. Its a huge minus. And give me one way macs are better than PC's for gaming
@Futureshopmac and dont get me wrong i use macs for everything. In my opinion, they are better at everything EXCEPT gaming. They might be great gaming machines (i personally dont think so), but they are not better than equivalent priced PC's at gaming
@Andre35822 the only thing linux can't do is games, and even then, there are still a good few games on linux. Other than that Linux can do anything windows and mac can do.
@Machado270 If it is your opinion, why can I quote, "Machado270: OpenGl although faster is less than the updated directx and uses less advanced technology (fact)"?
Besides, it is neither fact or opinion whether OpenGL uses 'less advanced technology'. It doesn't - it is just an API. It doesn't contain technology in the first place, just algorithms.
"OpenGL? that's a macs territory" Do you Mac Fags really never acknowledge Linux? I can understand PC not acknowledge it, Windows is based on NT. But OS X is based on the failed NExT which was a copy of BSD Unix. So Linux and OS X are cousins.
hes using PAE, and 32 bit theoretically supports 4gb but its more like 3.3gb. i agree, its still dumb to use 14gb on a 32 bit system (or just having 14gb in general) but it is possible
@RischelBoy OK no GTX, what does ATI have that even stands a chance against GTX which is Nvidia's best card it cost 650$, and ATI's best card cost nearly 800$ so you do the math smart one (BTW no ATi card has 480 cores in it )
@trecool9992 It's a dual-GPU card, so in a way you could say that the GTX 480 is the best SINGLE-GPU card in the world, the 5970 is still winning over the GTX 480, though. Well, soon the rest of the 6*** series will be out.
Ati cards do have more then 480 cores, but you have to realise that nvidia cards and ati cards work Differently, Nvidia cards use General Purpose cores, these can ofc process anything, Ati cards use specilised cores, so some for shadeing some for rendering the acctual object(not as clued up on this stuff as i used to be), but anyway, my point is, a specilised core is alot better at its task then a general purpose one, sometimes one company is better then the other at a certain task.
@zasx20 By the way, you're dumb. ATI is cheaper than nVidia and makes quality cards too. For the time being, I would prefer a ATI over a nVidia, but maybe nVidia get's in the fight again?
Funny windows has a very old version of open gl or cl or whatever the graphics enhaver for macs is... And it been around for 10 + years it's called directx
OpenGL is not Mac territory. Never will be. OpenGL was not designed specifically for Mac. OpenGL is free, made for all platforms that support it. Windows uses OpenGL also, that is, if the game has it featured. OpenGL is used on almost every game console (except XBox of course) including PS3. OpenGL is shown best on Linux.
i'm a huge linux fan (i'm using it right now) but i'm aware that opengl doesn't perform the best on linux. opengl performs about equally on all systems - windows, mac, linux, freebsd, and all game consoles. opengl is heavily impacted by drivers. opengl in linux right now is better than in mac but still sucks compared to windows or gaming consoles, and its because of the changes related to HAL
You know its the Graphics card ATI will best nVida on Mac's when taking on OpenGL almost every time I have a Mac Pro. My ATI 4870 is Faster on Pro Apps then my nVida 8800GT & GTX 285. OpenCL is what I know will matter
@nzcookiemonster listen you fuckin piece of shit scumbag, i downloaded a MAC VERSION of assassins creed, its not an exe install you fuckin waste of sperm piece of dog shit faggot. its a dmg for christ sake you FUCK
well thats your problem. theres no such thing as a mac version and you would have to remake the whole entire game again which they would'nt do just to make it work on open gl you retard.
open gl and directx are fucking completely different things.
@nzcookiemonster i know theyre different things you fuckin idiot i wasnt debating that at all, the fact is that i have assissins creed FOR MAC YES FOR MAC ITS A .DMG FILE you fuckin useless faggot and when i got it it said FOR MAC so fuck a fat dick bitch ass motherfucker
Its okay, just leave it. You'll find people like Nzcookiemonster who don't know what they're speaking about, and begin aruging about crap they don't have any clue about.
HAHAHA Im not even talking about ASSASSIN's CREED. Im talking about the fact that you think you know soo much and critizie people about what platform they use. YOUR AN IMMATURE KID WHO KNOWS CRAP
wow kid you're the shit head who doesn't know what there talking about, you claimed mac book pros are going to be having the i7's first well actually there going to be last to have them and also you quoted that the new design will be coupled with the i7 chip but actually the mobile i7 chip is thicked then 1 inch so mac will have to re think and re design the mac books to fit an i7 processor.
yes it does retard. Macs don't get Windows viruses, it gets Mac viruses. One example is a rootkit. Learn what a rootkit is, it's considered a virus in some cases.
@EverythingISTech yea they just want someone to accually notice their comments because all they do all day is sit in front of their computer screen and think "who can i piss off today for fun"
The problem is that the gaming companies code these games with Windows in mind.
Raw benchmarks are nice, but the sad truth is that coders write their programs for Windows, not Linux or Mac. I use Linux for everything except gaming and movies with 5.1 (or 7.1) surround sound (I'm too lazy to set up ALSA for more then two speakers).
Its like with PS3 games. The PS3 is super fast, but the games are mostly ports from XBox. Hardware isn't the only issue.
The funny part is that Windows supports both OpenGL and DX11, whereas Mac OS only supports OpenGL. Only DX allows Stereoscopic Video, however, and is much more efficient as well as being a dream to program for.
If i remember correctly its not a 4GB limit but a 2GB limit, and its not on total memory but the amount of memory that can be addressed by a single process. Not a single App but a single process running in the app. With PAE this can be raised to 3GB but can cause stability issues.
64bit OS can address 64gb per process if i remember right. So having 14gb on a 32bit OS is pretty pointless. but then again most people would have no need for that.
Mac OS X 10.5 is natively 32-bit, but when loaded on a 64-bit environment will automatically detect and load 64-bit extensions. Snow Leopard changes this, I believe.
Why on Earth are you using 14GB of RAM, what do you possibly need that for anyhow. It's not even good RAM, you have a large amount of DDR2 @ 667 MHz. You'd me much better investing in a Mac that supports DDR3, and have less RAM but at a better higher speed. Seriously that's a waste of money, 667 MHz isn't even good for DDR2 RAM. I'm not trying to bash you or anything, but seriously why have so much RAM if it's going to be slow anyway.
I'm sorry, I think that's between your ears. So because there are 3 GHz Core 2 Duo's, does that mean 2 GHz Core 2 Duo's are slow? Absolutely not. Same goes for RAM. 667 MHz RAM is fast enough for most of the people.
You're missing the point anyhow, I was pointing out all the rest of his hardware is really good yet his RAM is the bottleneck in his system. Running RAM at that frequency is not smart because it is bringing down the systems performance. Too much RAM can actually slow a system down too because the CPU has to manage it.
Trust me I've seen macbooks running 2.5 GHz dual cores with 2GB of RAM @ 800MHz and they are slow to load itunes, quicktime and MS office applications.
Ever considered the speed of the hard disk of the MacBooks? They are not that fast, so I personally don't think it's the RAM causing iTunes to start up slow. There are also other possible causes such as a big library etc.
Yes they are 5400 rpm for the majority, wasn't generally talking about start up speed. But I'm going to make an analogy to simply express what I'm saying.
Emeek's computer is like a Ferrari with $50 tires. It may have a lot of speed but is limited because of the tires. Just like how Emeek has a good cpu, video card, hard drivers, but he has dodgy RAM.
Don't forget, his Mac Pro is, as far as I know, the 2006 Mac Pro. During that time, most PC's or Macs had 667 MHz RAM. His chipset may not even be able to handle faster RAM.
About Office, Office for Mac is slow by nature. Has nothing to do with RAM. ;-)
That's a fair enough comment. Didn't realise he'd had it that long. AT the time I suppose there wouldn't be much faster RAM around. Still if it was a PC you'd pick up a good new ddr3 capable board and 4GB ddr3 RAM @ 1333 MHz for 400 bucks.
Are you seriously trying to say that 14GB OF DDR2 @ 667 MHz is SLOW! Are you crazy? i have 2GB of DDR2 @ 800 MHz and it's pretty fast. Emeek may have lower speed but he definetly doesn't have "slow" memory.
OpenGL doesn't magically run better on a certain platform as some people believe. It is based off video card and computer specs. Like for example: I got 6900-7000 score in OpenGL crushing most scores out there with an ATI 3870 and 3Ghz dual core CPU E8400.
Hey to those people who say Mac's can't run games, you are wrong.... You have to install Windows on a Mac to run those games. Pfft... PC newbs..
And how is that a reasonable value proposition in any way? You're buying a Mac and then buying Windows... ugh, why not just buy a quality PC for that money?
And how is that a reasonable value proposition in any way? You're buying a Mac and then buying Windows... ugh, why not just buy a quality PC for that money? - thebsdguy
This was meant as a simple sarcasm toward PC and Mac users, don't take it literally. However, OSX can play games just that the games I've seen played on a Mac's usually has windows on it. Anyway, majority of Mac users who do game are on a console anyway. I don't blame developers for not making more games on Mac, little demand.
My 2008 Mac Pro scored with a 512MB 8800GT (6549) but i'm planning to upgrade to a 512MB ATi 4870 GDDR5 GPU when the upgrade kit gets off the 4-5 week delay and i'm planning to do a retest once I get it installed
it is an open gl test, which means the graphics card is what matters, and cinebench plays favorites with graphics cards. like how does a 8600m gt run better than a 9600m gt? the 9600m gt is 40% faster and it gets a worser benchmark. It is just a stupid program. run real programs side by side, not synthetic benchmarks. it also a little processor dependent but it is mostly about the gpu, and chipset.
I hate to say it but fedor1fan posted a video of getting a higher score on openGL. running windows with an 8800 GT. As for me, I'm running a dual core 3.0 GHZ, 4 Gigs of RAM and an 8800 ultra and I got a 4777 as my score. I'm guessing Dual core puts the speed down a lot.
As for me, I'm running a dual core 3.0 GHZ - 0m3n1337
Is your dual core the E8400, just wondering, trying to compare mine to another similar spec. Video card I'm using is the ATI 3870, got up to 7000 OpenGL score.
Just for fun I did this OpenGL Cinebench 10 on a Dual core E8400 @ default clock speed 3.0Ghz, 2GB of Ram, and ATI 3870 same video card as you Eric.
Score: 6977
I even have anti-virus running in the background. I'm not saying my computer is better than yours Eric, just saying performance with OpenGL is better.
the point is MUTE because your on a mac!!! Im glad its High. HIGHER THAN any 8800 on a pc and make a video showing us proof because i cant believe you till i see a video. HOWS THAT?
Actually you have got a 8800GT but it is slightly under clocked for heat reasons inside the iMac, Apple addressed it as a GS because of this but it is actually a GT!
Wow dude. I just ran OpenGL for shits and gigs on the following system:
e6750 at 3.8ghz (that's a core2duo, you inbred fuck)
4gb 840mhz ddr2
512mb 4870, self-overclocked
I got a 7093. I paid $900 for this computer, including two terabyte HDDs, Asus P5Q-Pro motherboard, case, custom cpu cooler, 700watt power supply, 22" monitor, 5.1 speakers, Logitech G5, Saitek Eclipse 2, a racing wheel, external hard drive, Sennheiser 212 Pro's, and a few other small things.
And I would much rather be called a PC fanboy than waste a shit ton of money on an Apple. Don't forget that I'm the guy with OSX 10.5.6 running on a DELL Mini 9. ;)
osx running on a dell? MAC POSER. If you want a mac go buy one. You keep your 900 dollar race car. I stick to my Luxury Rolls Royce. Something that dont ride like a wooden wagon. LOL.
I only put OSX on it to make faggots like you shut up. Apple convinces you that only their machines are powerful enough to run OSX, yet a 1.6ghz Atom processor with 2gb of 533mhz ddr2 can run OSX butter smooth.
If you really want me to make a video of my OpenGL scores, I will. Just to show you that the money you spent on your computer is a waste. Go ahead, say that you have the "most advanced OS out there" okay? Build a more powerful and cheaper PC and install OSX.
I still don't see what it being illegal has to do with anything. If you go out and pay $100+ for Windows so you can put it on your mac, how does that not make you a PC poser while running Leopard on a PC makes you a Mac poser? What does the legal status of it have to do with anything?
graphics is to broad a term and the gpu doesn't mean the best. Mac pros can get the 4870 also. As well as the imac getting the 4800 series as well. Im talking about opengl. Apple is better at openGL, windows embraces teh proprietary DirectX. If they used OpenGL everyone could play, including macs. But MS wants to keep its propitiatory lock on the market.
maybe, but you can run Open GL pretty well on a pc, but for games usually you are going to be using direct x. I think mac's may be a little better at open gl, but it depends the program, because some applications are written better for windows than the mac that are cross platform, but for the most part open gl is faster on a mac, but comparing the 8800gt to the 3870 is kind of cheating because the 8800gt is better. a better comparison is to both have the same 4870.
i understand but a 700 dollar pc cant compare to a mac pro. Its like comparing a beefed up mustang to a Ferrari. They both do what you want, they both go from A to B. They both have v8's and they both have 4 wheels. But thats as far as it goes. There are differences. just because you have about the same parts dont mean its the same machine.Apple logicboards are custom from intel, you cant get them. How can I make it any more plane?
LOL.. MAC OpenGL is outdated... Windows and Linux is always updated..
bachelorrn21 2 days ago
Anyone notice he has 14GB of RAM on a 32 bit system?
freefield53 1 month ago
Yeah, Open GL is the territory of mac!
And what about Linux and Windows support Open GL 4.0 and Mac Osx only the 3.2 with Lion?
Mac osx in terms of graphics sucks.
MoguMasso 4 months ago
Yeah, Open GL is the territory of mac!
And what about Linux and Windows support Open GL 4.0 and Mac Osx only the 3.2 with Lion?
Mac osx in terms of graphics sucks.
MoguMasso 4 months ago
Unfortunately, he left out the part that Cinebench is made by MAXON, which means it has the same AR engine that Cinema 4D has, and every veteran user of C4D knows that OpenGL scores have always been better on the Windows side for some time now, assuming both machines being compared have identical, or near identical GPU's.
OSX has been slower due to limited GPU selections and outdated OpenGL.
ShepperdOneill 4 months ago 10
@AppleSoldier Get over it. 8800 GT was costing the same as a GTX 460 today. Your Mac would cost many times higher than the PC.
Darkteammadfiz 4 months ago
These are OpenGL scores. Most PC games use DirectX. I have a mac, and I must say, PC's are infinity times better for gaming. Go do the test with DirectX. OH WAIT, MACS DON'T FUCKING HAVE DIRECT X!
Futureshopmac 4 months ago
@Futureshopmac "MACS DON'T FUCKING HAVE DIRECT X!" Like that is a minus :D Nothing have stupid DirectX except MS Windows and Xbox.
"PC's are infinity times better for gaming." WRONG !!! Mac was always been better for gaming but people like you only count quantity not quality. Every Game that i tried on both platforms are better on Mac.
AdrianoCROST 4 months ago
@AdrianoCROST excuse me? are you retarded? Opengl is inferior to Direct X
Pikacharve 4 months ago
@Pikacharve Retard neither OS except Windows don't have DirectX so it's stupid to count that as some minus and look at game quality trought DirectX.
Second OpenGL is not too much behind D3D in funcionality so end user don't see a difference in finished product and when you count high portability of OpenGL you have a winner and that is not DirectX or better to say Direct3D. You are really retarded if you think that XXX API mean better graphic, better game or better gamng platform.
AdrianoCROST 4 months ago
@AdrianoCROST Like that is a minus? Dude I have a fucking macbook and mac pro, ill show you a video if you want to. Direct X is a lot more powerful than Open GL. A lot of games run using direct x. I get consistently better performance on my bootcamp partition using Direct X 9 than on mac. And my windows 7 which has Direct X 10 looks phenomenal. Its a huge minus. And give me one way macs are better than PC's for gaming
Futureshopmac 3 months ago
@Futureshopmac and dont get me wrong i use macs for everything. In my opinion, they are better at everything EXCEPT gaming. They might be great gaming machines (i personally dont think so), but they are not better than equivalent priced PC's at gaming
Futureshopmac 3 months ago
Applesoldier=professional troll.
carefulwiththat 4 months ago
Idiot, if you get the best preformance of open gl when not runnning any programs it meeans ram does effect it....
ProfessionalGam3rz 5 months ago
He ACTS like he knows alota shit... but he donsnt
HerrGubba 9 months ago
"OpenGL? That's A Macs Territory" News for you mate, its Linux's to!
SahLehron 11 months ago 5
@SahLehron
Yeah but macs and windows have a ton more functions than Linux :P
Andre35822 8 months ago
@Andre35822 the only thing linux can't do is games, and even then, there are still a good few games on linux. Other than that Linux can do anything windows and mac can do.
SahLehron 8 months ago
@SahLehron linux can do games with emulators, like Wine. my Cod 2 Works in it 8)
QualityCompare 6 months ago
now how about the price?
xy274 11 months ago
but 32 bit technology can take up to 4 gigs of RAM.how the hell do you have 14?
staticrubber 1 year ago
@staticrubber
Mac OSX = 64bit
His program = 32bit
:)
waterboy418 1 year ago
Applesoldier, check out the truth about OpenGL vs Directx down at the related videos on the right.
CGCA915- RE: Mac vs PC: The Emeek77™Show - OpenGL vs DirectX
woshiprozzz 1 year ago
I had open GL on my PC since Intel Pentium S
tuvinhphuc 1 year ago
See the truth, difficult to Find a Mac that is beating any Win 7 machine with similar or lower hardware
cbscores dot com
Catalyph 1 year ago
This guy knows most GPU's have OpenGL right? So you can use OpenGL on windows.
BigdogWitBigdog 1 year ago
@ ti the wrong person lol, sorry trecool9992
Melancholicy 1 year ago
@trecool9992
Quadro is basically the consumer card but with ECC ram and a couple different features, there identical fermi cores
Melancholicy 1 year ago
I somehow laugh when people go:
"Macs can't run .exe they suck"
boostadin 1 year ago
OpenGl although faster is less than the updated directx and uses less advanced technology (fact)
Machado270 1 year ago
@Machado270 Errr, no.
"Less advanced technology (fact)" especially.
trecool9992 1 year ago
@trecool9992 i dont understand
Machado270 1 year ago
@Machado270 No, you don't.
OpenGL uses no less advanced technology than DirectX.
trecool9992 1 year ago
@trecool9992 yes opengl use less advanced technology than directx this is my opnion
Machado270 1 year ago
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@Machado270 If it is your opinion, why can I quote, "Machado270: OpenGl although faster is less than the updated directx and uses less advanced technology (fact)"?
Besides, it is neither fact or opinion whether OpenGL uses 'less advanced technology'. It doesn't - it is just an API. It doesn't contain technology in the first place, just algorithms.
trecool9992 1 year ago
"OpenGL? that's a macs territory" Do you Mac Fags really never acknowledge Linux? I can understand PC not acknowledge it, Windows is based on NT. But OS X is based on the failed NExT which was a copy of BSD Unix. So Linux and OS X are cousins.
PS your computer sucks
vargulf19 1 year ago
wth, 14gigs on a 32 bit OS? 32 bit can only see 4 gigs of space. *shrug*
GhostOfACPast 1 year ago
@GhostOfACPast There's PAE (Physical Address Extension). Google it :)
GuerrillaMonkey 1 year ago
@GuerrillaMonkey Was going to say the same thing! :)
willinfected 1 year ago
having more than 6gb of ram actually slows down your system if you're using dual or single memory channel
schmidtbag 1 year ago
14GB on a 32-bit? That's just dumb, since 32-bit only supports up to 4096MB..
RischelBoy 1 year ago
@RischelBoy
Nope osx is a mach OS, through some type of computing magic it can accesses 32 gb on osx.
rollokb2 1 year ago
@RischelBoy
hes using PAE, and 32 bit theoretically supports 4gb but its more like 3.3gb. i agree, its still dumb to use 14gb on a 32 bit system (or just having 14gb in general) but it is possible
schmidtbag 1 year ago
@schmidtbag It supports 3584 (or is it 3072?) Mb RAM as it reserves 512 (/1024)Mb, for the video card.
RischelBoy 1 year ago
@RischelBoy OK no GTX, what does ATI have that even stands a chance against GTX which is Nvidia's best card it cost 650$, and ATI's best card cost nearly 800$ so you do the math smart one (BTW no ATi card has 480 cores in it )
zasx20 1 year ago
@zasx20 Best be trolling dude, 'cause that's THE dumbest thing I've ever heard...
Do you mean the "Fermi" cards (GTX 4**)? The HD 5970 is the most powerfull card in the world.
RischelBoy 1 year ago
@RischelBoy You best be trolling. The 5970 is faaar from the most powerful card in the world.
trecool9992 1 year ago
@trecool9992 It's a dual-GPU card, so in a way you could say that the GTX 480 is the best SINGLE-GPU card in the world, the 5970 is still winning over the GTX 480, though. Well, soon the rest of the 6*** series will be out.
RischelBoy 1 year ago
@RischelBoy No, you are still far from the most powerful card in the world.
The most powerful cards in the world belong to NVidia and are part of the Quadro series of cards.
trecool9992 1 year ago
@zasx20
Ati cards do have more then 480 cores, but you have to realise that nvidia cards and ati cards work Differently, Nvidia cards use General Purpose cores, these can ofc process anything, Ati cards use specilised cores, so some for shadeing some for rendering the acctual object(not as clued up on this stuff as i used to be), but anyway, my point is, a specilised core is alot better at its task then a general purpose one, sometimes one company is better then the other at a certain task.
LordOfKorriban 1 year ago
Direct x is winows teratory and they copied it!
zasx20 1 year ago
By the way ATI sucks nvidia is were it at
zasx20 1 year ago
@zasx20 By the way, you're dumb. ATI is cheaper than nVidia and makes quality cards too. For the time being, I would prefer a ATI over a nVidia, but maybe nVidia get's in the fight again?
RischelBoy 1 year ago
Funny windows has a very old version of open gl or cl or whatever the graphics enhaver for macs is... And it been around for 10 + years it's called directx
Pwnd
zasx20 1 year ago
using a pae kernel?
spannerotoole 1 year ago
OpenGL is not Mac territory. Never will be. OpenGL was not designed specifically for Mac. OpenGL is free, made for all platforms that support it. Windows uses OpenGL also, that is, if the game has it featured. OpenGL is used on almost every game console (except XBox of course) including PS3. OpenGL is shown best on Linux.
danielnathana 1 year ago
@danielnathana
Nope It was written for UNIX optimized for unix
rollokb2 1 year ago
@rollokb2 Please research before you lie.
danielnathana 1 year ago
@danielnathana
i'm a huge linux fan (i'm using it right now) but i'm aware that opengl doesn't perform the best on linux. opengl performs about equally on all systems - windows, mac, linux, freebsd, and all game consoles. opengl is heavily impacted by drivers. opengl in linux right now is better than in mac but still sucks compared to windows or gaming consoles, and its because of the changes related to HAL
schmidtbag 1 year ago
way the go girl !!!! ;P
iqao 1 year ago
You know its the Graphics card ATI will best nVida on Mac's when taking on OpenGL almost every time I have a Mac Pro. My ATI 4870 is Faster on Pro Apps then my nVida 8800GT & GTX 285. OpenCL is what I know will matter
hessfl 2 years ago
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Dark9204 2 years ago
@Dark9204
lol what a fuckwit aye, 12 gigs on a 32bit system there probably rusting in their
nzcookiemonster 2 years ago
i tried to install assassins creed on my mac and got this
"Video hardware acceleration is currently disabled due to safe mode operation or a driver error.
Please ensure you have a working OpenGL Hardware Renderer and try again."
can anyone help?
STATUSthesleepers 2 years ago
@STATUSthesleepers
assassins creed it directx not opengl
nzcookiemonster 2 years ago
@nzcookiemonster then why am i getting that warning when i try to install it?
STATUSthesleepers 2 years ago
@STATUSthesleepers
because you are using mac osx you fucking dibshit.
assassins creed is a pc game .
you either need to buy a pc or load up windows 7.
these games are made to only work for windows.
do a bootcamp and install 2 operation systems/.
fucking retard omg.
are you that thick? a game that looks as good as assassins creed will be directx which your OS doesn't support or use/.
nzcookiemonster 2 years ago
@nzcookiemonster listen you fuckin piece of shit scumbag, i downloaded a MAC VERSION of assassins creed, its not an exe install you fuckin waste of sperm piece of dog shit faggot. its a dmg for christ sake you FUCK
STATUSthesleepers 2 years ago
@STATUSthesleepers
well thats your problem. theres no such thing as a mac version and you would have to remake the whole entire game again which they would'nt do just to make it work on open gl you retard.
open gl and directx are fucking completely different things.
retard...
nzcookiemonster 2 years ago
@nzcookiemonster i know theyre different things you fuckin idiot i wasnt debating that at all, the fact is that i have assissins creed FOR MAC YES FOR MAC ITS A .DMG FILE you fuckin useless faggot and when i got it it said FOR MAC so fuck a fat dick bitch ass motherfucker
STATUSthesleepers 2 years ago
Its okay, just leave it. You'll find people like Nzcookiemonster who don't know what they're speaking about, and begin aruging about crap they don't have any clue about.
EverythingISTech 2 years ago
@EverythingISTech
well ok i checked youtube, and google, there no such thing as assassins creed for mac lol. fail you probably got a fake file or virus lol XD hahahaha
nzcookiemonster 2 years ago
HAHAHA Im not even talking about ASSASSIN's CREED. Im talking about the fact that you think you know soo much and critizie people about what platform they use. YOUR AN IMMATURE KID WHO KNOWS CRAP
EverythingISTech 2 years ago
@EverythingISTech
wow kid you're the shit head who doesn't know what there talking about, you claimed mac book pros are going to be having the i7's first well actually there going to be last to have them and also you quoted that the new design will be coupled with the i7 chip but actually the mobile i7 chip is thicked then 1 inch so mac will have to re think and re design the mac books to fit an i7 processor.
please you do not know a thing kid
nzcookiemonster 2 years ago
@nzcookiemonster Cool here she goes again
streamline75 2 years ago
@EverythingISTech YEAAAAAA I'll have what hes having lol
streamline75 2 years ago
@nzcookiemonster Macs dont get viruses u retard
streamline75 2 years ago
yes it does retard. Macs don't get Windows viruses, it gets Mac viruses. One example is a rootkit. Learn what a rootkit is, it's considered a virus in some cases.
danielnathana 1 year ago
@EverythingISTech yea they just want someone to accually notice their comments because all they do all day is sit in front of their computer screen and think "who can i piss off today for fun"
streamline75 2 years ago
lol yepp
EverythingISTech 2 years ago
@nzcookiemonster
> a game that looks as good as assassins creed will be directx
Ahem...
- PS3 uses OpenGL.
- Compatibility layers for using windows/directx programs on OSX and Linux exist.
- Windows is not more suitable for gaming than Macs or linux. It's a marketing issue, not a technical one.
atan0k 2 years ago
The problem is that the gaming companies code these games with Windows in mind.
Raw benchmarks are nice, but the sad truth is that coders write their programs for Windows, not Linux or Mac. I use Linux for everything except gaming and movies with 5.1 (or 7.1) surround sound (I'm too lazy to set up ALSA for more then two speakers).
Its like with PS3 games. The PS3 is super fast, but the games are mostly ports from XBox. Hardware isn't the only issue.
nstgc379 1 year ago
The funny part is that Windows supports both OpenGL and DX11, whereas Mac OS only supports OpenGL. Only DX allows Stereoscopic Video, however, and is much more efficient as well as being a dream to program for.
NeverMindTheGuns 2 years ago
6125- 64bit R10 Cinebench OpenGl
5995- 32bit R10 Cinebench OpenGl
24926 @ 34 seconds Rendering CPU(x) Bench
anything else you want me to beat while listening to music and playing the left 4 dead 2 demo?
geeksquadgreg 2 years ago
on what graphics card? and what os?
techhelper1 2 years ago
tri gtx 285 sli 2gb versions
windows 64bit ultimate though it is the same scores on 7 ultimate 64bit and windows xp media center 32bit
geeksquadgreg 2 years ago
14 gb of worthless ddr2 rofl
geeksquadgreg 2 years ago
he does video editing on the final cut suite, watch his tutorials
techhelper1 2 years ago
lol why do you have so much ddr2? The whole point of RAM is to be quick and it doesn't have to be much, you'll never use all that!
votshtoyalyoobloo 2 years ago
Emeek is the new CWC of youtube. Obsessive posting vids and trolled to the end.
griptick 2 years ago
OPENGL = Mac territory?
WHAT!!!
Hell no
LoloftheRings 2 years ago
Dude if you ever take up acting, email me and i can use you in my game. wicked accent :) lol
AntCoder 2 years ago
My 2 year old Hackintosh just scored just over 5000 points in the OpenGL test.
And I'm only running one Nvidia 9600GT.
Okey, so your Mac Pro beat me by 100 points or so.
But my rig probably cost me half of what that Mac Pro cost you.
It wouldn't cost too much to run 2 9600's in SLI. But then I probably would be limited to running XP.
No point in that. ;)
sn0le 2 years ago
Your rig would be way less than half of his hahah!
firestormcomputers 2 years ago
Holy shit was it like $20,000?
davidthefat 2 years ago
here is a video responce to his video, to show that PC's own the fuck out of his computer. watch?v=p0OnB0Ihb6w
NikolaAU 2 years ago
it might not increase your scores with that ram but thats REDICULOUS lmfao, props dude
Benz0Rollin 2 years ago
you might be reydneyk
goobernutz 2 years ago
14GB of RAM? Isn't there a maximum around 4GB?
Dylanv2123 2 years ago
With a 32-bit OS the limit is 4GiB.
With Physical Address Extension the OS can map [IIRC] 36-bit memory addresses, allowing for upwards of 4GiB.
bombkangaroo 2 years ago
So explain to me how I can obtain 14GB of RAM on my Macbook.
Dylanv2123 2 years ago
I don't think you can on a Macbook.
You're limited by the number of SO-DIMMs you can physically install, and the density of available SO-DIMMs.
The Mac Pro benefits from using riser cards and FB-DIMMs.
You can see some good information about them on one of MrBit10's videos:
watch?v=ZIyOHZ5musU
bombkangaroo 2 years ago
Those 'limits' you're talking about are a load of shit. I've seen 32-bit OSes address upwards of 64GB of RAM.
NeverMindTheGuns 2 years ago
Such as?
bombkangaroo 2 years ago
Well, FreeBSD and Windows 7 as well as Unix-based systems support it.
NeverMindTheGuns 2 years ago
And you're absolutely certain these were 32-bit versions of those OSes?
Also, are you sure they were addressing that much RAM, and not just seeing that it's there?
bombkangaroo 2 years ago
If i remember correctly its not a 4GB limit but a 2GB limit, and its not on total memory but the amount of memory that can be addressed by a single process. Not a single App but a single process running in the app. With PAE this can be raised to 3GB but can cause stability issues.
64bit OS can address 64gb per process if i remember right. So having 14gb on a 32bit OS is pretty pointless. but then again most people would have no need for that.
BOWRINGJB 1 year ago
opengl is a linux territory..and it not about the scores/points its about how well the developers use it ;)
nitr0ix 2 years ago
Oh look at that, the guy still runs an ancient 32 bit(!) operating system, how funny!
Oh well, back to me Photoshop CS4 64 bit on my 64 bit OS.
cziuq 2 years ago
Mac OS X 10.5 is natively 32-bit, but when loaded on a 64-bit environment will automatically detect and load 64-bit extensions. Snow Leopard changes this, I believe.
manjyoumethunder 2 years ago
9126 with a Quadro FX 1700 on my BOXX.
ShepperdOneill 2 years ago
hello. happy halloween everyone!
aviocet 2 years ago
Why on Earth are you using 14GB of RAM, what do you possibly need that for anyhow. It's not even good RAM, you have a large amount of DDR2 @ 667 MHz. You'd me much better investing in a Mac that supports DDR3, and have less RAM but at a better higher speed. Seriously that's a waste of money, 667 MHz isn't even good for DDR2 RAM. I'm not trying to bash you or anything, but seriously why have so much RAM if it's going to be slow anyway.
ljscott1990 2 years ago 10
Since when is 667 MHz DDR2 RAM slow? Do you NOTICE a difference between the two?
Gforce002 2 years ago
DDR2 RAM is slow, standard DDR3 runs at about 1333MHZ. Yes, you can notice the difference.
ljscott1990 2 years ago
I'm sorry, I think that's between your ears. So because there are 3 GHz Core 2 Duo's, does that mean 2 GHz Core 2 Duo's are slow? Absolutely not. Same goes for RAM. 667 MHz RAM is fast enough for most of the people.
Gforce002 2 years ago
You're missing the point anyhow, I was pointing out all the rest of his hardware is really good yet his RAM is the bottleneck in his system. Running RAM at that frequency is not smart because it is bringing down the systems performance. Too much RAM can actually slow a system down too because the CPU has to manage it.
Trust me I've seen macbooks running 2.5 GHz dual cores with 2GB of RAM @ 800MHz and they are slow to load itunes, quicktime and MS office applications.
ljscott1990 2 years ago
Ever considered the speed of the hard disk of the MacBooks? They are not that fast, so I personally don't think it's the RAM causing iTunes to start up slow. There are also other possible causes such as a big library etc.
Gforce002 2 years ago
Yes they are 5400 rpm for the majority, wasn't generally talking about start up speed. But I'm going to make an analogy to simply express what I'm saying.
Emeek's computer is like a Ferrari with $50 tires. It may have a lot of speed but is limited because of the tires. Just like how Emeek has a good cpu, video card, hard drivers, but he has dodgy RAM.
ljscott1990 2 years ago
Don't forget, his Mac Pro is, as far as I know, the 2006 Mac Pro. During that time, most PC's or Macs had 667 MHz RAM. His chipset may not even be able to handle faster RAM.
About Office, Office for Mac is slow by nature. Has nothing to do with RAM. ;-)
Gforce002 2 years ago 2
That's a fair enough comment. Didn't realise he'd had it that long. AT the time I suppose there wouldn't be much faster RAM around. Still if it was a PC you'd pick up a good new ddr3 capable board and 4GB ddr3 RAM @ 1333 MHz for 400 bucks.
ljscott1990 2 years ago
Are you seriously trying to say that 14GB OF DDR2 @ 667 MHz is SLOW! Are you crazy? i have 2GB of DDR2 @ 800 MHz and it's pretty fast. Emeek may have lower speed but he definetly doesn't have "slow" memory.
DnCTutorials 2 years ago
LOL. 2GB pretty fast is it, you obviously don't use your computer much.
ljscott1990 2 years ago
@ljscott1990
He said his mac is 3 years old. :/
boostadin 1 year ago
Hah, I saw the video response where the guy with the 8800 GT (watch?v=XhZXEA4HsI8) outbenched the 3870.
Don't want to be proven wrong, Eric?
thebsdguy 2 years ago 5
Open GL and leopard go together. windows dont even use it in their core.
IMPMAC 2 years ago
windows dont even use it in their core. - IMPMAC
They use DirectX, no surprise. Personally I wish MS would of went with GLIDE, kicked OpenGL's azz back some time ago. Gawd I miss Voodoo cards...
blacksteel25 2 years ago
I remember using OpenGL with a 486 DX2
The most advanced for gaming is Direct X, that's the direction M$ went. OpenGL, is more clouding thinking processors with firmaware.
SO who's better? Do you game, or do you want to video edit?
What if you want both? two partitions, or boot camp for you Mac users
oOJackofallmasters 2 years ago 2
RAM is how many App's you can open.
thomashome05 2 years ago
and to some degree opens your applications faster.
Riscmac 2 years ago
I tried in 32 bit, and I got 4972 in open gl on my 9600m gt. this program is weird.
Riscmac 2 years ago
My Macbook Pro scored 5378 :D
MacManLtd 2 years ago
I restarted my MBP and got 5637, I'm pretty happy with that :)
MacManLtd 2 years ago
OpenGL doesn't magically run better on a certain platform as some people believe. It is based off video card and computer specs. Like for example: I got 6900-7000 score in OpenGL crushing most scores out there with an ATI 3870 and 3Ghz dual core CPU E8400.
Hey to those people who say Mac's can't run games, you are wrong.... You have to install Windows on a Mac to run those games. Pfft... PC newbs..
blacksteel25 2 years ago
And how is that a reasonable value proposition in any way? You're buying a Mac and then buying Windows... ugh, why not just buy a quality PC for that money?
thebsdguy 2 years ago
And how is that a reasonable value proposition in any way? You're buying a Mac and then buying Windows... ugh, why not just buy a quality PC for that money? - thebsdguy
This was meant as a simple sarcasm toward PC and Mac users, don't take it literally. However, OSX can play games just that the games I've seen played on a Mac's usually has windows on it. Anyway, majority of Mac users who do game are on a console anyway. I don't blame developers for not making more games on Mac, little demand.
blacksteel25 2 years ago
I've got a Mac Pro myself, with the 8800GT with 512MB VRAM in it, and i get a score of 5961.
If you don't believe it, i'd be glad to make a video response for you.
Still, keep it up. I always enjoy your Mac vs Pc videos, so don't see this as an insult.
Sven88abc 2 years ago
My 2008 Mac Pro scored with a 512MB 8800GT (6549) but i'm planning to upgrade to a 512MB ATi 4870 GDDR5 GPU when the upgrade kit gets off the 4-5 week delay and i'm planning to do a retest once I get it installed
34skyline 2 years ago
wow.. another pc cockhead got owned.. lol.. keep em coming
dastrman2 2 years ago
How so? Did you see fedor1fan's video? an 8800GT performed better with a worse processor.
ebaums9000 2 years ago 6
it is an open gl test, which means the graphics card is what matters, and cinebench plays favorites with graphics cards. like how does a 8600m gt run better than a 9600m gt? the 9600m gt is 40% faster and it gets a worser benchmark. It is just a stupid program. run real programs side by side, not synthetic benchmarks. it also a little processor dependent but it is mostly about the gpu, and chipset.
Riscmac 2 years ago
this vid proves another point. These cards perform as good ina m ac as a pc gaming rig.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
Too bad Macs can only run Games For Macs which is gay shit like Roller Coaster Tycoon.
And a 3870 is nowhere near what I would consider a "gaming rig"
ebaums9000 2 years ago 3
i have a GTX260 lul @ u all
HongKongKanto 2 years ago
I hate to say it but fedor1fan posted a video of getting a higher score on openGL. running windows with an 8800 GT. As for me, I'm running a dual core 3.0 GHZ, 4 Gigs of RAM and an 8800 ultra and I got a 4777 as my score. I'm guessing Dual core puts the speed down a lot.
0m3n1337 2 years ago
As for me, I'm running a dual core 3.0 GHZ - 0m3n1337
Is your dual core the E8400, just wondering, trying to compare mine to another similar spec. Video card I'm using is the ATI 3870, got up to 7000 OpenGL score.
blacksteel25 2 years ago
i use it too but im not overclocked etc. If you get 700 on a stock 3870 than i need t seea video before i believe it.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
It's an E6850, blacksteel.
0m3n1337 2 years ago
It's an E6850, blacksteel. - 0m3n1337
Ok thanks, that's technically the same processor except for a die shrink and maybe a little more L2 Cache.
blacksteel25 2 years ago
IT WAS OVERCLOCKED ETC!!!!
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
Funny thing here. I actually owned that fedor1fan guy by getting a score above 6000. Check my last video response to this video.
Sven88abc 2 years ago
i have posted proof that the 8800gt is better than the 3870. - fedor1fan
If better in the sense of that series of Nvidia video card failing, then yes... it knows how to do that and very well.
blacksteel25 2 years ago
Just for fun I did this OpenGL Cinebench 10 on a Dual core E8400 @ default clock speed 3.0Ghz, 2GB of Ram, and ATI 3870 same video card as you Eric.
Score: 6977
I even have anti-virus running in the background. I'm not saying my computer is better than yours Eric, just saying performance with OpenGL is better.
blacksteel25 2 years ago
I have got a 2.66ghz iMac with a 9400 and it scored 4630 on the OpenGL!
SlinkyStudio 2 years ago
the fuck you need 14 gigs of ram for?
chromebeats 2 years ago
do some 3d modeling and youll see.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
what are you modeling, the entire city of new york on real scale?
I've did some modeling in the past but never even reached 512mb
And I also make mechanical parts using modeling software, still not even close to 512mb
chromebeats 2 years ago
I just tried this on my iMac with a 512 MB 8800 GS, which should be slower than the 8800 GT, and got a 5899. How's that?
iirojappinen 2 years ago
the point is MUTE because your on a mac!!! Im glad its High. HIGHER THAN any 8800 on a pc and make a video showing us proof because i cant believe you till i see a video. HOWS THAT?
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
No, Cinebench is platform agnostic and the benchmark scores should be consistent across platforms.
Macs don't magically make the video card render faster, stop lying.
thebsdguy 2 years ago
its not 64bit cinebench. CINBENCH dont see 64bit on the mac. PC it does.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
Actually you have got a 8800GT but it is slightly under clocked for heat reasons inside the iMac, Apple addressed it as a GS because of this but it is actually a GT!
SlinkyStudio 2 years ago
if an underclocked 8800 GT beats his card, why wouldn't a non-underclocked do the same?
iirojappinen 2 years ago
I don't know? That is a very good question and I did some googleling but no one knows!
SlinkyStudio 2 years ago
My macbook broke 4k on cinebench, not bad, not bad at all
Skutz0r 2 years ago
no ,not at all bad. Actually pretty Good.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
Wow dude. I just ran OpenGL for shits and gigs on the following system:
e6750 at 3.8ghz (that's a core2duo, you inbred fuck)
4gb 840mhz ddr2
512mb 4870, self-overclocked
I got a 7093. I paid $900 for this computer, including two terabyte HDDs, Asus P5Q-Pro motherboard, case, custom cpu cooler, 700watt power supply, 22" monitor, 5.1 speakers, Logitech G5, Saitek Eclipse 2, a racing wheel, external hard drive, Sennheiser 212 Pro's, and a few other small things.
Enjoy your piece of shit mac lol.
ebaums9000 2 years ago
And I would much rather be called a PC fanboy than waste a shit ton of money on an Apple. Don't forget that I'm the guy with OSX 10.5.6 running on a DELL Mini 9. ;)
ebaums9000 2 years ago
osx running on a dell? MAC POSER. If you want a mac go buy one. You keep your 900 dollar race car. I stick to my Luxury Rolls Royce. Something that dont ride like a wooden wagon. LOL.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
I only put OSX on it to make faggots like you shut up. Apple convinces you that only their machines are powerful enough to run OSX, yet a 1.6ghz Atom processor with 2gb of 533mhz ddr2 can run OSX butter smooth.
If you really want me to make a video of my OpenGL scores, I will. Just to show you that the money you spent on your computer is a waste. Go ahead, say that you have the "most advanced OS out there" okay? Build a more powerful and cheaper PC and install OSX.
get owned.
ebaums9000 2 years ago
Does that make people who run Windows on a Mac a PC poser? Holy shit there's a lot of PC posers.
roxgod666 2 years ago
no it means your doing something )hack) illegal so you can have mac stuff. It it was legal than so be it BUT ITS NOT!
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
I still don't see what it being illegal has to do with anything. If you go out and pay $100+ for Windows so you can put it on your mac, how does that not make you a PC poser while running Leopard on a PC makes you a Mac poser? What does the legal status of it have to do with anything?
roxgod666 2 years ago 2
it is a waste to argue that macs are better for graphics, when those pc's have the best graphics card.
Riscmac 2 years ago
graphics is to broad a term and the gpu doesn't mean the best. Mac pros can get the 4870 also. As well as the imac getting the 4800 series as well. Im talking about opengl. Apple is better at openGL, windows embraces teh proprietary DirectX. If they used OpenGL everyone could play, including macs. But MS wants to keep its propitiatory lock on the market.
AppleSoldier 2 years ago
maybe, but you can run Open GL pretty well on a pc, but for games usually you are going to be using direct x. I think mac's may be a little better at open gl, but it depends the program, because some applications are written better for windows than the mac that are cross platform, but for the most part open gl is faster on a mac, but comparing the 8800gt to the 3870 is kind of cheating because the 8800gt is better. a better comparison is to both have the same 4870.
Riscmac 2 years ago
your pc is similar to mine, but im not overclocked. and running an Intel Q9300 Quad core.
The PC cost £700, and the graphics card £200 at the time. And it came with 1Tb Internal and 500Gb External.
That is value for money, and there is nothing this PC can't do. And almost all of the parts are alot cheaper now.
RenegadeMaster07 2 years ago
i understand but a 700 dollar pc cant compare to a mac pro. Its like comparing a beefed up mustang to a Ferrari. They both do what you want, they both go from A to B. They both have v8's and they both have 4 wheels. But thats as far as it goes. There are differences. just because you have about the same parts dont mean its the same machine.Apple logicboards are custom from intel, you cant get them. How can I make it any more plane?
AppleSoldier 2 years ago