You can't prove that gods don't exist anymore than you can disprove an invisable pet dinosaur which only I can see, hear, and touch. You can disprove Yaweh really easily by reading the bible cover to cover. The Bible always contradicts itself, you'll see yourself.
@marxvlog Yeah, sorry. Didn't really notice my pronunciation when shooting but when I looked back whilst editing I realized how much of a tard I sounded. Won't make the same slips again.
This is futile.. The burden of proof lies upon that come with a claim.. I don't have to prove the non existence. Those who claim God exists must prove it or until then hold it to only themselves as a belief.
The same those who claim I committed a crime must prove I did. I never have to prove I never did something.
@TonneofAsh Note Allah revealed the Quran 1400 years ago way before science had the technology to discover anything. there Quran has scientific proofs such as:
How the foetus forms in the womb, the Big Bang, Moon in orbit, the miracle of the 2 oceans, one sweet and the other salty not dissolving in to eachother and many more. if no body had a clue about such things who wrote this in the Quran ? obviously the creator of it all.
READ THE QURAN FOR YOURSELF. it will leave you speechless !!
@brightside786 I've had this point brought up before, and I'll give you the same answer a gave him. Religious quotes can be interpreted how you want it to be. Prophecies and stories prove nothing.
The Quran is the only one that Allah has been preserving untill the day of judgement. no human has the ability to edit the Quran like they did with the Bible. Quran chp 35 verse 20-22>>> " Nay this is a Glorious Qur'an, (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved! "
people have been memorising the Quran cover to cover since the past 1400 yrs all over the world. never will ALLAH's words fade away. they are the same since the day they were revealed !
@brightside786 Still, doesn't change the fact that even the original scriptures use a different kind of language than that which we use nowadays! I bet someone could think of 100 different meanings to the verse you just gave me. I really don't think that a religious book written by men can prove the existence of a deity.
No The Quran is 100% Allah's word and Arabic was the original language from which precise translatons have made.No one will ever succeed if they try and change it as Allah has told us. and even if it had the millions of muslims who first memorised, when it was first revealed, would have noticed and wouldnt let that be.
if you dont believe that there was a deity who created this whole universe and you believe that it all came out of nothing you are contradicting the laws of physics
@brightside786 No, I don't believe that everything came from nothing. That's absurd. What's also absurd is the belief that a supernatural being created a world infinitely bigger and more powerful than himself! What I don't understand is, why is 'god' the chosen ruler of the universe? Who chose him? Because he sounds like a complete dick to me.
@ALuke9090 I'm not rebelling against whatever gods might exist. If I was created by a god then I'm being what he made.
Empiricism is not unsubstantiated. I find it useful. If I want a beer I go to the refrigerator because that's where I saw them earlier. I don't fall to my knees and pray for one because I've experimentally determined that that doesn't work. But I'll keep an open mind. If someone shows me any other method, I'll consider it. But it would be silly to use one that doesn't work.
@ALuke9090 But why should I care about what a god thinks is the proper place for something, even if he did create it all? He has his goals and I have mine.
How does super-rational judgement work? I'd like to test it out before using it for anything serious.
@ALuke9090 So do I have to abandon reason to believe that a god's morality is objective morality? Without reason I have no reason to believe anything at all.
It looks like you just posted two paragraphs of subjective opinions. Why should I believe that, even with a god, existence itself has a proper place for things? Can I be shown that this is true? If someone tells me a tree is objectively taller than another I can measure them. What can I do to see that a god's morality is objective morality?
@ALuke9090 I don't see how being all-powerful, all-knowing, or anything else makes an opinion objective truth. Aren't all of the reasons you can come up with for declaring a god's opinion on morality to be objective morality really, themselves, subjective opinions? Isn't not being allowed to question the god just a subjective opinion? Being able to torture me forever seems like a reason to obey a god's moral code, but not reason enough to believe that it's necessarily a fair and just moral code.
@ALuke9090 Why does the creator of something get to decide what its place must be? I can use a book as a doorstop even if the author didn't intend that it ever be used in that way. The author's and my ideas of proper use are both subjective even though only the author wrote the book and I had nothing to do with bringing it into existence.
@ALuke9090 I suppose a moral code could be called objective if everyone in a universe with a god were forced by the laws of nature to agree with it, but that doesn't seem to apply to our universe even if there is a god.
@ALuke9090 A god doesn't give us objective morality. It gives us one more opinion about what's right and wrong. We're less likely to have absolute truth and unalterable physical laws if some intelligence exist who might change them at the slightest whim. Giving up a god can't make us lose things we don't have even with a god.
@bennylandron "Thats the point! I don't believe it's logical to believe in "God" at all." It would be illogical not to believe based on the rock thing. God is not capricious, He does according to his nature and according to his desires. Christians are not called upon to prove God's existence. Belief in God requires faith. Either you have it or you don't. Christians are called to share their faith with others. If someone does not accept the message, one shakes the dust from his feet.
@Tridecalogism He is not capricious. God's omnipotence has nothing to do with His doing whatever we can say, but He can do whatever He desires according to His holy nature. The only thing that can restrain God from making a rock to heavy for Him to lift is God Himself. Like I stated, God is not capricious, so why would He want to create such a rock anyway?
@luvmusic09 This is probably just an overcomplicated argument with which I was arguing that he isn't truly omnipotent in every aspect. "He can't sin against His holy nature. His omnipotence pertains to the fact that He has control, sovereign power and authority of His creation." I don't deny that what your saying is true, just see above.
@Tridecalogism This rock thing is really a false dilemma. Theologically speaking, God's omnipotence does not mean He can do everything. He can't sin against His holy nature. His omnipotence pertains to the fact that He has control, sovereign power and authority of His creation.
hey, not all kids that grew up in religious environments were taught to hate science and logic. i went to catholic school for 11 years, and was taught evolution and physics and chemistry, all that. we were taught that the earth had existed for billions of years, not 5000, and the bible was just a guideline for how someone should live their life, not a book of fact. of course, i'm not catholic anymore. just wanted to put that out there
I listened to your argument for evolution. And in response I have 2 counter arguments. But first let me say, there have been changes in forms of life. However the "Theory of evolution" to explain the origins of life are practically a conundrum. 1. In evolution, when something evolves, what previously was, no longer exists. 2. proteins have only ever been found in living or previously living tissue. Nothing even close has ever been discovered in non living things.
In the Bible it states God is infinite, but not that the bible says the universe is all of existence. The Bible states that God created the firmament. That is the universe. So your second postulation is inaccurate because the Bible doesn't state that the universe contains all of existence.
In the Bible it states God is infinite, but not that the bible says the universe is all of existence. The Bible states that God created the firmament. That is the universe. So your second postulation is inaccurate.
To your credit you postulated your arguments very well. Better than most. Science does state that matter and energy are never lost or destroyed. You also mentioned antimatter, which science proved does exist. But you didn't talk about dark energy, which science believes is responsible for one of the hypothesis for the expansion of the universe. And as of yet, dark energy hasn't been proven. Supernatural power is beyond the natural. Which is to say beyond anything verifiable by the senses.
You say matter cannot be created, but doesn't the theory of the big bang state that everything was created from nothing? Islam at least agrees with the big bang, but rather then saying it was created from nothing, it states everything was created by God. Islam also agrees with the big crunch theory.
@hh1608 Actually, the big bang theory states that all of the matter and anti-matter in the universe was compressed to a size smaller than a single atom, then it suddenly exploded. I personally don't believe in the big bang theory.
@TonneofAsh big bang states that everything was in a space with infinite mass and zero volume, not smaller than an atom, rather a non existent space. But even if you don't believe in the big bang, I am pretty sure most atheist scientists say that matter was created from nothing. But if you don't believe it was created from nothing, then what was it created from? After all saying matter or energy has always existed isn't any more illogical then saying God always existed.
@hh1608 I completely agree. It is not logical to say that matter has always existed. I suppose the birth of the universe is one of the only things I can't explain. I sometimes spend hours thinking about how this all started. What the meaning of it is. Theists and atheists will no doubt argue over it for many centuries to come but I predict that know one will ever really find the answer.
@TonneofAsh you still have to explain the background radiation and the recomb. of particles to atoms but its true, the bigbang theory is hard to grasp. the problem with creation of matter/energy is that it would essentially mean that a perpetruum mobile is practically possible, which is even harder to grasp imo. thermodynamics and biochemistry are very conclusive about that.
anyway good point about infinity! also consider that hist. speciations and natural selection disproove intelligent design!
Love your points mate. Oh, just to point out your point on the facts regarding matter, creationist still won't buy it. I've heard it before, because science says we can't create matter -note 'we- but for the supreme being known as 'God' well, he can apparently. Cheers.
I can't prove that the Christian god doesn't exist, but is that any reason to act as though he does? After all, I can't prove that there aren't exactly 14 gods who each want a pigeon sacrifice on the first Tuesday of each month. Is praying to Jesus any less absurd than rounding up the pigeons?
I agree good sir good rebuttal
GumEbear0vrdose 1 month ago
Prove god does not exist, heh who needs proof when you have faith
black00dice 2 months ago
You can't prove that gods don't exist anymore than you can disprove an invisable pet dinosaur which only I can see, hear, and touch. You can disprove Yaweh really easily by reading the bible cover to cover. The Bible always contradicts itself, you'll see yourself.
captainmatt94 3 months ago
every fing lol
marxvlog 3 months ago
@marxvlog Yeah, sorry. Didn't really notice my pronunciation when shooting but when I looked back whilst editing I realized how much of a tard I sounded. Won't make the same slips again.
TonneofAsh 3 months ago
This is futile.. The burden of proof lies upon that come with a claim.. I don't have to prove the non existence. Those who claim God exists must prove it or until then hold it to only themselves as a belief.
The same those who claim I committed a crime must prove I did. I never have to prove I never did something.
zhrmod 3 months ago
@zhrmod That's the beauty of Atheism. It's not a claim! It's a rejection of the claim 'There is a god(1)'
"Nothing needs disproving that has not yet been proven"
TonneofAsh 3 months ago
Here's your proof God does exist>>>>>> THE QUR'AN
brightside786 3 months ago
@brightside786 That's obviously not proof. Get a hold of yourself!
TonneofAsh 3 months ago
@TonneofAsh you are supposed to read it. it has 100's of proofs you will have NO answer to
brightside786 3 months ago
@brightside786 Really? Like what?
TonneofAsh 3 months ago
@TonneofAsh Note Allah revealed the Quran 1400 years ago way before science had the technology to discover anything. there Quran has scientific proofs such as:
How the foetus forms in the womb, the Big Bang, Moon in orbit, the miracle of the 2 oceans, one sweet and the other salty not dissolving in to eachother and many more. if no body had a clue about such things who wrote this in the Quran ? obviously the creator of it all.
READ THE QURAN FOR YOURSELF. it will leave you speechless !!
brightside786 3 months ago
@brightside786 I've had this point brought up before, and I'll give you the same answer a gave him. Religious quotes can be interpreted how you want it to be. Prophecies and stories prove nothing.
TonneofAsh 3 months ago
@TonneofAsh AAH BUT THAT IS WHERE YOUR WRONG.
The Quran is the only one that Allah has been preserving untill the day of judgement. no human has the ability to edit the Quran like they did with the Bible. Quran chp 35 verse 20-22>>> " Nay this is a Glorious Qur'an, (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved! "
people have been memorising the Quran cover to cover since the past 1400 yrs all over the world. never will ALLAH's words fade away. they are the same since the day they were revealed !
brightside786 3 months ago
@brightside786 Still, doesn't change the fact that even the original scriptures use a different kind of language than that which we use nowadays! I bet someone could think of 100 different meanings to the verse you just gave me. I really don't think that a religious book written by men can prove the existence of a deity.
TonneofAsh 3 months ago
@TonneofAsh
No The Quran is 100% Allah's word and Arabic was the original language from which precise translatons have made.No one will ever succeed if they try and change it as Allah has told us. and even if it had the millions of muslims who first memorised, when it was first revealed, would have noticed and wouldnt let that be.
if you dont believe that there was a deity who created this whole universe and you believe that it all came out of nothing you are contradicting the laws of physics
brightside786 3 months ago
@brightside786 No, I don't believe that everything came from nothing. That's absurd. What's also absurd is the belief that a supernatural being created a world infinitely bigger and more powerful than himself! What I don't understand is, why is 'god' the chosen ruler of the universe? Who chose him? Because he sounds like a complete dick to me.
TonneofAsh 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 There are probably plenty of true things that we'll never know are true because we can't observe them.
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 How do I know something is true if it doesn't do anything that I can observe? Even if I guessed the truth I wouldn't know I was right.
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 I'm not rebelling against whatever gods might exist. If I was created by a god then I'm being what he made.
Empiricism is not unsubstantiated. I find it useful. If I want a beer I go to the refrigerator because that's where I saw them earlier. I don't fall to my knees and pray for one because I've experimentally determined that that doesn't work. But I'll keep an open mind. If someone shows me any other method, I'll consider it. But it would be silly to use one that doesn't work.
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 But why should I care about what a god thinks is the proper place for something, even if he did create it all? He has his goals and I have mine.
How does super-rational judgement work? I'd like to test it out before using it for anything serious.
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 So do I have to abandon reason to believe that a god's morality is objective morality? Without reason I have no reason to believe anything at all.
It looks like you just posted two paragraphs of subjective opinions. Why should I believe that, even with a god, existence itself has a proper place for things? Can I be shown that this is true? If someone tells me a tree is objectively taller than another I can measure them. What can I do to see that a god's morality is objective morality?
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 I don't see how being all-powerful, all-knowing, or anything else makes an opinion objective truth. Aren't all of the reasons you can come up with for declaring a god's opinion on morality to be objective morality really, themselves, subjective opinions? Isn't not being allowed to question the god just a subjective opinion? Being able to torture me forever seems like a reason to obey a god's moral code, but not reason enough to believe that it's necessarily a fair and just moral code.
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 Why does the creator of something get to decide what its place must be? I can use a book as a doorstop even if the author didn't intend that it ever be used in that way. The author's and my ideas of proper use are both subjective even though only the author wrote the book and I had nothing to do with bringing it into existence.
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 The proper place for things also seems subjective to me, as does the decision of who should decide what the proper place is for something.
Why does it have to be the Christian god? Couldn't there be an all-powerful creator of the universe even if the story of Christ is just a myth?
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 I suppose a moral code could be called objective if everyone in a universe with a god were forced by the laws of nature to agree with it, but that doesn't seem to apply to our universe even if there is a god.
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 I didn't claim there's any such thing as objective morality. I said that the existence of a god doesn't give us one.
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090 A god doesn't give us objective morality. It gives us one more opinion about what's right and wrong. We're less likely to have absolute truth and unalterable physical laws if some intelligence exist who might change them at the slightest whim. Giving up a god can't make us lose things we don't have even with a god.
Chuck1863 3 months ago
@ALuke9090: If he doesn't physically exist, does that make Him energy?
I also thought it was energy that couldn't be destroyed or created, but matter could. (from and to energy)
Tridecalogism 3 months ago
Real nice accent dude :)
Princess6Sarah 3 months ago
Wow Guys Jesus Loves You
8DbellobieberC8 3 months ago
As George Carlin once asked! If there is a "God" can he make a rock so big that he himself cannot lift it?
Calling Stephen Hawking!!!
bennylandron 3 months ago
@bennylandron " If there is a "God" can he make a rock so big that he himself cannot lift it?"
Is it logical to ask if God can be mightier than Himself?
luvmusic09 3 months ago
@luvmusic09 Thats the point! I don't believe it's logical to believe in "God" at all.
bennylandron 3 months ago
@bennylandron "Thats the point! I don't believe it's logical to believe in "God" at all." It would be illogical not to believe based on the rock thing. God is not capricious, He does according to his nature and according to his desires. Christians are not called upon to prove God's existence. Belief in God requires faith. Either you have it or you don't. Christians are called to share their faith with others. If someone does not accept the message, one shakes the dust from his feet.
luvmusic09 3 months ago
@luvmusic09 It's an infinite paradox.
Tridecalogism 3 months ago
@Tridecalogism The only thing HIs omnipotence does not extend over is His omnipotence.
luvmusic09 3 months ago
@luvmusic09 Wouldn't that mean he isn't truly omnipotent?
Tridecalogism 3 months ago
@Tridecalogism He is not capricious. God's omnipotence has nothing to do with His doing whatever we can say, but He can do whatever He desires according to His holy nature. The only thing that can restrain God from making a rock to heavy for Him to lift is God Himself. Like I stated, God is not capricious, so why would He want to create such a rock anyway?
luvmusic09 3 months ago
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@luvmusic09 This is probably just an overcomplicated argument with which I was arguing that he isn't truly omnipotent in every aspect. "He can't sin against His holy nature. His omnipotence pertains to the fact that He has control, sovereign power and authority of His creation." I don't deny that what your saying is true, just see above.
Tridecalogism 3 months ago
@Tridecalogism This rock thing is really a false dilemma. Theologically speaking, God's omnipotence does not mean He can do everything. He can't sin against His holy nature. His omnipotence pertains to the fact that He has control, sovereign power and authority of His creation.
luvmusic09 3 months ago
hey, not all kids that grew up in religious environments were taught to hate science and logic. i went to catholic school for 11 years, and was taught evolution and physics and chemistry, all that. we were taught that the earth had existed for billions of years, not 5000, and the bible was just a guideline for how someone should live their life, not a book of fact. of course, i'm not catholic anymore. just wanted to put that out there
sarahinacan84 3 months ago
Ah but time also started at the big bang, there was no before the big bang b/c there was no time before the big bang. Thus no need for a before.
ebilly99 3 months ago
Energy and matter are interchangeable.
scottclements78 3 months ago
Someone's being watching to Professor Brian Cox ;) I approve
marthabeck94 3 months ago
I listened to your argument for evolution. And in response I have 2 counter arguments. But first let me say, there have been changes in forms of life. However the "Theory of evolution" to explain the origins of life are practically a conundrum. 1. In evolution, when something evolves, what previously was, no longer exists. 2. proteins have only ever been found in living or previously living tissue. Nothing even close has ever been discovered in non living things.
chaeden 3 months ago
In the Bible it states God is infinite, but not that the bible says the universe is all of existence. The Bible states that God created the firmament. That is the universe. So your second postulation is inaccurate because the Bible doesn't state that the universe contains all of existence.
chaeden 3 months ago
In the Bible it states God is infinite, but not that the bible says the universe is all of existence. The Bible states that God created the firmament. That is the universe. So your second postulation is inaccurate.
chaeden 3 months ago
To your credit you postulated your arguments very well. Better than most. Science does state that matter and energy are never lost or destroyed. You also mentioned antimatter, which science proved does exist. But you didn't talk about dark energy, which science believes is responsible for one of the hypothesis for the expansion of the universe. And as of yet, dark energy hasn't been proven. Supernatural power is beyond the natural. Which is to say beyond anything verifiable by the senses.
chaeden 3 months ago
i had toast todayyy does that prove anything??
aliakberza 3 months ago 4
@aliakberza No.
TonneofAsh 3 months ago 6
I want to create some toast now.
Fooshiiii 3 months ago 2
You say matter cannot be created, but doesn't the theory of the big bang state that everything was created from nothing? Islam at least agrees with the big bang, but rather then saying it was created from nothing, it states everything was created by God. Islam also agrees with the big crunch theory.
hh1608 3 months ago
@hh1608 Actually, the big bang theory states that all of the matter and anti-matter in the universe was compressed to a size smaller than a single atom, then it suddenly exploded. I personally don't believe in the big bang theory.
TonneofAsh 3 months ago
@TonneofAsh big bang states that everything was in a space with infinite mass and zero volume, not smaller than an atom, rather a non existent space. But even if you don't believe in the big bang, I am pretty sure most atheist scientists say that matter was created from nothing. But if you don't believe it was created from nothing, then what was it created from? After all saying matter or energy has always existed isn't any more illogical then saying God always existed.
hh1608 3 months ago
@hh1608 I completely agree. It is not logical to say that matter has always existed. I suppose the birth of the universe is one of the only things I can't explain. I sometimes spend hours thinking about how this all started. What the meaning of it is. Theists and atheists will no doubt argue over it for many centuries to come but I predict that know one will ever really find the answer.
TonneofAsh 3 months ago
@TonneofAsh 42
divxalex 3 months ago
@TonneofAsh you still have to explain the background radiation and the recomb. of particles to atoms but its true, the bigbang theory is hard to grasp. the problem with creation of matter/energy is that it would essentially mean that a perpetruum mobile is practically possible, which is even harder to grasp imo. thermodynamics and biochemistry are very conclusive about that.
anyway good point about infinity! also consider that hist. speciations and natural selection disproove intelligent design!
sanmorris 3 months ago
I have never thought of your point of limited infinity before now. I'm going to use it in my arguments.
ZyvIkKra 3 months ago 2
@ZyvIkKra Is there no limit to which you verbicidal maniacs will go in your distortion of the meaning of words.
Infinity is limitless.
luvmusic09 3 months ago
Wow a respectable athiest most just give death threats and tell you to stfu.
gilbert4321 3 months ago
@TonneofAsh You do have a good point my friend!
MarcusEFN 4 months ago
Love your points mate. Oh, just to point out your point on the facts regarding matter, creationist still won't buy it. I've heard it before, because science says we can't create matter -note 'we- but for the supreme being known as 'God' well, he can apparently. Cheers.
LamnaNasus 4 months ago
Good points and good video. Thanks!
ndrthrdr1 4 months ago
I can't prove that the Christian god doesn't exist, but is that any reason to act as though he does? After all, I can't prove that there aren't exactly 14 gods who each want a pigeon sacrifice on the first Tuesday of each month. Is praying to Jesus any less absurd than rounding up the pigeons?
Chuck1863 4 months ago 13
@Chuck1863 when I saw your name :
I thought "nope, Chuck Testa"
TheGordinak 3 months ago
@TonneofAsh Solution is much easier than that. Just KILL your bad pronunciation. You pretty well said "afiest" and "wiff," too.
indignant99 4 months ago