Dennis Prager & Andrew Sullivan debate Conservatism (4 of 4)

[darkroommonster]

I love how Pregar is more concerned about politically correct speech on campus than a government having the power to disappear people and torture them

[somuch4freedom]

pragers a fucking idiot

[itreeye]

@somuch4freedom

And you're just a name caller. Jerry Springer, much? 

[Vladimir0538]

Dennis Preger is just blind to the facts.

[upandopen]

@Vladimir0538 Which facts?

[Bigwave2003]

@upandopen The inquiries that document US torture.

[bricitybrac]

Prager doesn't consider Islamic fascism a threat from the right?

[Assaultpredator]

@bricitybrac

?.... the right as in conservative views.. what are you talking about? lol

repubs aren't necessarily real conservatives. youre picking between 2 of the same candidates

so how is islamic jihadist mentality a far right threat?

[bricitybrac]

@Assaultpredator You don't think that Muslim fundamentalists are conservative?

[itreeye]

@bricitybrac

You wrote: "You don't think that Muslim fundamentalists are conservative?"

Well no, by definition they are not because they are totalitarian in their politics. Sharia law requires a big State to enforce it's rules. Conservatives in the US believe that 'the smaller the government the bigger the citizen' (Dennis Prager) and are for less power and the left is always for more power to the State. This is an inherent difference between them, and why radical Islam is more like the left.

[bricitybrac]

@itreeye So in this particular discussion, Sullivan is to the right of Prager?

[itreeye]

@bricitybrac

"So in this particular discussion, Sullivan is to the right of Prager?"

Politics is "the managing of our affairs": The core value of the political Left in the US is always more power to a centralized State, to legislate towards greater equality or egalitarianism. The core value of their opposition is smaller government, or belief that greater individual freedom will bring more prosperity from the bottom up, for all. Sull is challenging this bcs of Bush' spending on war efforts.

[thelavabrothers]

@itreeye "The core value of the political Left in the US is always more power to a centralized State, to legislate towards greater equality or egalitarianism." Wrong. This is a fantasy version of liberalism that conservatives have. In general, I'd say that the Left hates concentrated power in general, and it prefers democracy to oligarchy as a means of establishing public priorities. The Left tends to believe that any power delegated to the state should be transparent and highly accountable.

[itreeye]

@thelavabrothers Yet reality or evidence mostly agrees w/ me. You may as well be arguing for communism by bringing up what Marx intended whilst ignoring all the historical evidence of how the opposite results. No concentrated power?! The Left votes for Fed power over State or local almost as a rule. Also, "Liberalism"? If college kids were given a speech by JFK w/out his name on it, they'd all guess it was written by a Repub. The Left has taken over the D party. There are no more liberals.

[thelavabrothers]

@itreeye Yes: the Left tends to favor dispersed power. The problem is you're willing to see concentrated power in governments, but not corporations; in the federal government, but not in the pockets of extreme wealth that require redistribution to improve opportunity (a form of power) for those at the bottom. I agree Ds are barely libs anymore, but because the Ds have moved so far right. Could Medicare be created today? Or the EPA? Could a D nominee for prez propose a min. guaranteed income?

[Assaultpredator]

@bricitybrac

Look up Sam Harris.

[tristan9812]

What's the song he uses to go to a break?

[chukmaty]

Good debat; Sullivan won on form, Prager on substance imho.

[Bigwave2003]

@chukmaty Prager won on substance? LOL What substance? To every fact and rational argument raised by Sullivan, Prager's response is "Well..." or "But which is worse, the left or the right? I think the left."

[itreeye]

@Bigwave2003

Well, we now know that there were 3 people that were water boarded, (not hundreds as ASullivan said) and one of them helped stop the Brooklyn Bridge terrorist act and another helped find Bin Laden. Also Water boarding leaves no permanent damage even though it must be horrific. (and more US marines have undergone waterboarding than our enemies.)

So the substance problem really does seem to have been on the side of the left leaning guy in this interview.

[xxashyy]

This is a funny debate. Both of these guys are NOT real Conservatives. Prager is a Neo Conservative and Sullivan is a Liberal Republican.

[chukmaty]

@xxashyy

lol, Prager is definitely not a Neo Con. Neo conservatism was a unique intellectual movement which had ex Trotskyites embracing a form of right wing ideology. Prager is not a member of this movement, he is not a neo con.

[Wilberbeest]

Prager likes to ask loaded questions about hypothetical situations which are not based in reality, instead of arguing from what we do know. What does this kind of discourse tell you about the guy and his supposed commitment to truth?

[JohnAdamCulligan]

"It is a greater threat to liberty than I am appreciating."

Huh?