This clearly shows how intolerant these allegedly "tolerant" secularists behave when they feel in front of pictures showing the unjustifiable horror of abortion. Like Elbert Hubbard said "when you cannot destroy a man's argument not all is lost, you can still call him vile names." This is a wonderful example of that. These pro-choice-to-kill guys should thank God that their parents were not like them or else they wouldn't be here.
@yakataah I was talking about it takes a certain kind of mind to endure all of the blood, body parts, etc. of an abortion. Perhaps they feel they are helping the women, but not the fetus.
@yakataah I was talking about it takes a certain kind of mind to endure all of the blood, body parts, etc. of an abortion. Perhaps they feel they are helping the women, but not the fetus.
@yakataah I was talking about it takes a certain kind of mind to endure all of the blood, body parts, etc. of an abortion. Perhaps they feel they are helping the women, but not the fetus.
@CHANY8710 Actually my mother is very fiercely pro-choice. So there goes THAT argument. Pro-choice women have children and love them too, you know? Because pro-choice is about CHOICE, it's about choosing when and if you want to be a mother.
if the children are unwanted then the women should jeep their fucking legs closed it is really fucking wrong to have an abortion I agree with the man all the way
@syper258 Maybe it's better if you keep your stupid mouth shut and stop being the goddamn Sex Police. When, how and with whom women sleep with is none of your business. Stop trying to control other people's sex lives.
It breaks my heart how this documentary ended. I sense that the woman at the end is very much hurting. I very much understand the woman's anger at grotesque pictures of murdered babies being displayed in public, but the truth must be shown of the horrible way that our society treats them when they are not wanted. As pictures have been used of other holocausts such as what the Nazis did to the Jews, so Christians today must show the world the truth of the abortion holocaust.
Personal Hero, the Woman, Right on! I understand your frustration, I am a Woman too, and could feel how upset I would be in a situation like that.... These Christians? or what ever they call themselves, baited the fight....did not hear a word you said, and took advantage! I hope you got some of your frustration out....Wish I was there to hand out condoms. There are better ways to fight, but I have done similar things which later helped me focus stronger.
Personal Hero, the Woman, Right on! I understand your frustration, I am a Woman too, and could feel how upset I would be in a situation like that.... These Christians? or what ever they call themselves, baited the fight....did not hear a word you said, and took advantage! I hope you got some of your frustration out....Wish I was there to hand out condoms. There are better ways to fight, but I have done similar things which later helped me focus stronger.
This woman (who is my personal hero) raises a question I have yet to hear a pro-lifer answer seriously: who the hell is going to raise all those unwanted children if you force women to have them?
I'd like to see all these pro-lifers who spend so much time and energy fighting a losing battle do something constructive with their lives and help children who have already been born and are starving in the streets. And I'm not talking about those in third world countries.
@yakataah And who is going to keep aborting fetuses for women who don't want them?...There will have to be way more abortion doctors then...It is both questions...Who is going to raise them or who is going to abort them? Of course abstinence is the only way to not get pregnant, but most women who have abortions aren't incest or rape victms! It takes a certain kind of person with a certain kind of mind to abort fetuses for a living, and be mentally okay enough to raise their own familes!
@prettylyricsmarie You do realize that doctors who do abortions are also gynecologists and obstetricians, right? Are you suggesting that we don't train doctors in obstetrics anymore? What?
Yeah it takes a certain kind of mind to help women end their unwanted pregnancies for a living and then going home to spend time with a family that is wanted and loved. It's called being sane. It's called not valuing a fetus over woman's life and dignity. It's called respecting people.
Oh and one more thing. To this whole argument about if it's okay to kill a baby when it has no pain, thought, and needs you to live. What about people who are brain dead in a coma. Where are the documentaries for these people. The fetus's are no worse off that these people are . The Terry Schivo rebuttal prevails.
...... Isn't the slightest bit credible. After seeing these "political" nut cases insulting a 16 year old rape victim because she had an abortion, I now remember on what grounds I believe abortion should be legal and because of this pro-life brain washing footage I am officially pro-choice. WORSE FILM EVER
I just finished watching this " documentary" and all I have to say is how pathetic. This is an extremely biased ignorant display of these wack job "Christians" who think they are doing the slightest bit of good. Before watching this 104 min. epic waste of my life, I could actually see both views on this touchy issue. However, after watching their little Jesus baby-saving brain washing camps and referring to " the passion of the Christ" as if it were actually fact, I now feel that their argument
The image is a human, in fact so human that people object to the showing of the photos that present this fact. If it's just a glob of tissue as some Prochoicer's say, then why get so upset...if the woman in this acknowledges that it is a human being and still thinks its okay, then its justifiable to call someone wicked. If she doesn't believe in the devil or anything, there is no reason for her to get upset. This is proof that abortion is wrong, when people object to them.
This is a great documentary, this girl makes the best point in the whole film. Are these religious assholes going to take care of the millions of unwanted, homeless, starving children in the world? Do they adopt or create orphanages? Do they do anything other than hold useless signs. Religion is for the weak, FUCK RELIGION!!! END ALL RELIGION !!!DEATH TO THE RELIGIOUS BRAIN WASHED SHEEP. FUCK THE CORPSE OF JESUS CHRIST AND FUCK YOUR GOD
@aselaortega I'm arguing that if you aren't willing to help the children in need that are already alive and starving to death by the thousands every year then you should shut the fuck up b/c it isn't your concern.
@jim15ratm Because it sounds like youre saying that euthanizing children should not be prevented in order to limit the number of children until the problem of homeless children is solved first. Or are you saying that each individual should be required to make one sign against homelessness for every sign that they make against abortion?
@aselaortega abortions will never be completely prevented, when abortion was illegal women still had them done and often died from it. I don't think it should be a form of birth control where people get 5 abortions but it should be available for rape victims. Also making abortion illegal is just another form of governmental control.
@jim15ratm Why would you put a child to death because their father was a rapist? Shouldn't you be putting the rapist to death? Isn't protecting the right to life, liberty, and property, exactly what the government should be doing?
@aselaortega because it's up to the woman if she wants to carry the child for 9 months and then go through with having it being reminded everyday that she was raped. I don't agree with late term abortions either but an undeveloped fetus isn't a child. The government should be the least involved in people's lives as possible, I don't think making something that would be done on our own free will illegal is protecting us.
@jim15ratm Isn't it begging the question to say an undeveloped fetus isn't a child? On what basis are you saying it's ok to kill children at one level of development, but its not ok at another level of development? What rational do you use for making this decision?
@aselaortega yeah in the early stages of development we're just cells forming a human, the heart isn't formed or beating the brain isn't developed and can't process pain or anything.
@jim15ratm Of course all humans are just made of cells, so your saying that its ok to kill people out of convenience as long as their biologically dependent on you, and its painless? What philosophical justification do you have for making judgments like this about if other people should be allowed to live or not? Seems your arbitrarily making judgments about the value of other peoples life.
@aselaortega Yeah all humans are made of cells but at some point their heart starts beating, they can think and function. When do you think they become a human? You think as soon as the sperm joins the egg it's a human? because that's like saying an apple seed is an apple tree. When you plant the apple seed it's not an apple tree it's a seed in the ground.
We have to have a higher authority than just opinion when it comes to laws. Making guesses about when humans reach different levels of awareness and arbitrarily saying that humans below a certain level of cognitive ability may be killed is not reasonable. As creator, God has authority to make claims about how we all should live. His word demands that all parents take care of their children and draws no distinction between the born and the unborn.
he says to an obviously distraught woman, "You weep over pictures, but you think it should be legal (using mocking tone). Now that's retarded." "Have you been educated beyond your intelligence?(insulting)" she responds, "I'm Catholic, go to church, love Jesus." he continues, "You're a hypocrite and a phony. You're no Christian. You're a son or daughter of Satan; of Satan and nothing else."
He totally deserved what he got. He completely provoked her. His fault. Period.
@Fragilexflame If someone shows the atrocities of slavery by photos of the linchings, and dead bodies, they should be smacked? Using photos and cinematography are tools that have been used throughout history to show the seriousness of unjustice. In schools we would show films about slavery and holocaust that had not so pleasant images: to show the reality of that history and the events that occurred. Theres nothing wrong with that.
"Crim was arrested after the incident and pleaded guilty to assault and battery. Flint District Judge Nathaniel C. Perry III suspended her sentence and said the case would be dismissed if she had not had more "assaultive contacts" by February 2005."
Those people arent right pushing their views on others and having kids be involved with something like this...its really absurd. If they dont believe in abortion then dont have one.
When it comes down to it, it IS the womans choice.
These self righteous christians here need to stay out of it. Period.
The screaming woman here also needs to get a grip on herself.
I just want to know why a fetis is more important to christians then killing young adults in a senseless war is?
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This woman has probably had an abortion herself, or was implicit in one and seeing the images made her face the reality of what abortion is, and what it does to a baby. The truth hurts. She wouldn't even listen to what the guy was saying. She just kept screaming so she wouldn't have to hear the truth or see it.
Typical of people who are pro-choice but don't want to face what that CHOICE involves: A DEAD BABY.
I would bet that she would not care if it were disgusting images of abused animals being used by animal rights groups to promote their cause! She is just angry because she is obviously pro-choice and instead of arguing the merits of pro-choice she screams about the pictures. Seems like she is clutching at straws to me
She was obviously emotionally tormented by this. The strongest merits of pro-choice did, in fact, escape her lips in between sobs, before losing it. They are (w/ embellishment) that children would be brought into this world unwanted, and that a woman should decide whether she could handle the immense task of raising her child.
She also decries his use of children to propagate his message, she calls mothering a choice and accuses him of breeding indifference.
FYI...Go to bjwinslow dot/com (thats just ONE) click on "fetuses" on top to see all the rubber fetuses available, that are used on YT prolife videos & different websites. They can be dressed up in blood, black coloring to represent "burning", and all sorts of wonderful little visual "tricks". People, please think before believing ANY picture you see. You owe it to yourself to be educated.
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Maybe the woman who was so mad had a abortion herself and was feeling guilty? Maybe she realizes could that possibly be a human on the poster. If its not a human than who cares and why get up set.
what happens at 3:55 is EXACTLY what these extremist christians want to happen. they do everything in their power to make you angry just to get a reaction out of you. They'll insult you, accuse you, and attack you. They called this woman a "daughter of satan" for being angry at them...
How distinctly Christian of them.
a word of advice: if you see these "christians" on the street protesting, do everything in your power to ignore them.
This clearly shows how intolerant these allegedly "tolerant" secularists behave when they feel in front of pictures showing the unjustifiable horror of abortion. Like Elbert Hubbard said "when you cannot destroy a man's argument not all is lost, you can still call him vile names." This is a wonderful example of that. These pro-choice-to-kill guys should thank God that their parents were not like them or else they wouldn't be here.
CHANY8710 2 months ago
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yakataah 1 week ago
@yakataah I was talking about it takes a certain kind of mind to endure all of the blood, body parts, etc. of an abortion. Perhaps they feel they are helping the women, but not the fetus.
prettylyricsmarie 1 week ago
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@yakataah I was talking about it takes a certain kind of mind to endure all of the blood, body parts, etc. of an abortion. Perhaps they feel they are helping the women, but not the fetus.
prettylyricsmarie 1 week ago
@yakataah I was talking about it takes a certain kind of mind to endure all of the blood, body parts, etc. of an abortion. Perhaps they feel they are helping the women, but not the fetus.
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@CHANY8710 Actually my mother is very fiercely pro-choice. So there goes THAT argument. Pro-choice women have children and love them too, you know? Because pro-choice is about CHOICE, it's about choosing when and if you want to be a mother.
Here's what an abortion looks like.
w w w. abortionaccess.info/abortionpictures.htm
That's not so gory, is it?
yakataah 1 week ago
if the children are unwanted then the women should jeep their fucking legs closed it is really fucking wrong to have an abortion I agree with the man all the way
syper258 4 months ago
@syper258 Maybe it's better if you keep your stupid mouth shut and stop being the goddamn Sex Police. When, how and with whom women sleep with is none of your business. Stop trying to control other people's sex lives.
yakataah 1 week ago
It breaks my heart how this documentary ended. I sense that the woman at the end is very much hurting. I very much understand the woman's anger at grotesque pictures of murdered babies being displayed in public, but the truth must be shown of the horrible way that our society treats them when they are not wanted. As pictures have been used of other holocausts such as what the Nazis did to the Jews, so Christians today must show the world the truth of the abortion holocaust.
IAmHeald4Life 5 months ago
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IAmHeald4Life 5 months ago
This was fucking heart-wrenching. Very, very difficult scene to watch. And the asshole says "That's retarded." Wow! Way to be ablelist.
xEvanx 7 months ago
I so wanted to bitch slap that bastard myself.
jinto1980 10 months ago
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Personal Hero, the Woman, Right on! I understand your frustration, I am a Woman too, and could feel how upset I would be in a situation like that.... These Christians? or what ever they call themselves, baited the fight....did not hear a word you said, and took advantage! I hope you got some of your frustration out....Wish I was there to hand out condoms. There are better ways to fight, but I have done similar things which later helped me focus stronger.
jenkseboy 11 months ago
Personal Hero, the Woman, Right on! I understand your frustration, I am a Woman too, and could feel how upset I would be in a situation like that.... These Christians? or what ever they call themselves, baited the fight....did not hear a word you said, and took advantage! I hope you got some of your frustration out....Wish I was there to hand out condoms. There are better ways to fight, but I have done similar things which later helped me focus stronger.
jenkseboy 11 months ago 2
This woman (who is my personal hero) raises a question I have yet to hear a pro-lifer answer seriously: who the hell is going to raise all those unwanted children if you force women to have them?
I'd like to see all these pro-lifers who spend so much time and energy fighting a losing battle do something constructive with their lives and help children who have already been born and are starving in the streets. And I'm not talking about those in third world countries.
yakataah 1 year ago 3
@yakataah And who is going to keep aborting fetuses for women who don't want them?...There will have to be way more abortion doctors then...It is both questions...Who is going to raise them or who is going to abort them? Of course abstinence is the only way to not get pregnant, but most women who have abortions aren't incest or rape victms! It takes a certain kind of person with a certain kind of mind to abort fetuses for a living, and be mentally okay enough to raise their own familes!
prettylyricsmarie 1 week ago
@prettylyricsmarie You do realize that doctors who do abortions are also gynecologists and obstetricians, right? Are you suggesting that we don't train doctors in obstetrics anymore? What?
Yeah it takes a certain kind of mind to help women end their unwanted pregnancies for a living and then going home to spend time with a family that is wanted and loved. It's called being sane. It's called not valuing a fetus over woman's life and dignity. It's called respecting people.
yakataah 1 week ago
did SHE have an abortion????? o_o
hiddenstar93 1 year ago
SATAN WAS IN HER!!!!
hiddenstar93 1 year ago
I bet you that "christian" piece of shit guy is gonna press charges. Forget about forgiveness. He deserved to be smacked. Fucking hypocrite.
mavs2147 1 year ago 2
Oh and one more thing. To this whole argument about if it's okay to kill a baby when it has no pain, thought, and needs you to live. What about people who are brain dead in a coma. Where are the documentaries for these people. The fetus's are no worse off that these people are . The Terry Schivo rebuttal prevails.
89geiger89 1 year ago
...... Isn't the slightest bit credible. After seeing these "political" nut cases insulting a 16 year old rape victim because she had an abortion, I now remember on what grounds I believe abortion should be legal and because of this pro-life brain washing footage I am officially pro-choice. WORSE FILM EVER
89geiger89 1 year ago 4
I just finished watching this " documentary" and all I have to say is how pathetic. This is an extremely biased ignorant display of these wack job "Christians" who think they are doing the slightest bit of good. Before watching this 104 min. epic waste of my life, I could actually see both views on this touchy issue. However, after watching their little Jesus baby-saving brain washing camps and referring to " the passion of the Christ" as if it were actually fact, I now feel that their argument
89geiger89 1 year ago
The image is a human, in fact so human that people object to the showing of the photos that present this fact. If it's just a glob of tissue as some Prochoicer's say, then why get so upset...if the woman in this acknowledges that it is a human being and still thinks its okay, then its justifiable to call someone wicked. If she doesn't believe in the devil or anything, there is no reason for her to get upset. This is proof that abortion is wrong, when people object to them.
Creationcreed 1 year ago
This is a great documentary, this girl makes the best point in the whole film. Are these religious assholes going to take care of the millions of unwanted, homeless, starving children in the world? Do they adopt or create orphanages? Do they do anything other than hold useless signs. Religion is for the weak, FUCK RELIGION!!! END ALL RELIGION !!!DEATH TO THE RELIGIOUS BRAIN WASHED SHEEP. FUCK THE CORPSE OF JESUS CHRIST AND FUCK YOUR GOD
jim15ratm 1 year ago
@jim15ratm so your arguing that because no one whats to take care of these children we should be killing them?
aselaortega 1 year ago
@aselaortega I'm arguing that if you aren't willing to help the children in need that are already alive and starving to death by the thousands every year then you should shut the fuck up b/c it isn't your concern.
jim15ratm 1 year ago
@jim15ratm Because it sounds like youre saying that euthanizing children should not be prevented in order to limit the number of children until the problem of homeless children is solved first. Or are you saying that each individual should be required to make one sign against homelessness for every sign that they make against abortion?
aselaortega 1 year ago
@aselaortega abortions will never be completely prevented, when abortion was illegal women still had them done and often died from it. I don't think it should be a form of birth control where people get 5 abortions but it should be available for rape victims. Also making abortion illegal is just another form of governmental control.
jim15ratm 1 year ago
@jim15ratm Why would you put a child to death because their father was a rapist? Shouldn't you be putting the rapist to death? Isn't protecting the right to life, liberty, and property, exactly what the government should be doing?
aselaortega 1 year ago
@aselaortega because it's up to the woman if she wants to carry the child for 9 months and then go through with having it being reminded everyday that she was raped. I don't agree with late term abortions either but an undeveloped fetus isn't a child. The government should be the least involved in people's lives as possible, I don't think making something that would be done on our own free will illegal is protecting us.
jim15ratm 1 year ago
@jim15ratm Isn't it begging the question to say an undeveloped fetus isn't a child? On what basis are you saying it's ok to kill children at one level of development, but its not ok at another level of development? What rational do you use for making this decision?
aselaortega 1 year ago
@aselaortega What rational? It's called an undeveloped fetus, if it was a child it would be called a child...
jim15ratm 1 year ago
@jim15ratm It's obvious that you feel it's not a child. The question was do you have a logical or scientific reason for what you believe?
aselaortega 1 year ago
@aselaortega yeah in the early stages of development we're just cells forming a human, the heart isn't formed or beating the brain isn't developed and can't process pain or anything.
jim15ratm 1 year ago
@jim15ratm Of course all humans are just made of cells, so your saying that its ok to kill people out of convenience as long as their biologically dependent on you, and its painless? What philosophical justification do you have for making judgments like this about if other people should be allowed to live or not? Seems your arbitrarily making judgments about the value of other peoples life.
aselaortega 1 year ago
@aselaortega Yeah all humans are made of cells but at some point their heart starts beating, they can think and function. When do you think they become a human? You think as soon as the sperm joins the egg it's a human? because that's like saying an apple seed is an apple tree. When you plant the apple seed it's not an apple tree it's a seed in the ground.
jim15ratm 1 year ago
We have to have a higher authority than just opinion when it comes to laws. Making guesses about when humans reach different levels of awareness and arbitrarily saying that humans below a certain level of cognitive ability may be killed is not reasonable. As creator, God has authority to make claims about how we all should live. His word demands that all parents take care of their children and draws no distinction between the born and the unborn.
aselaortega 1 year ago
@aselaortega I'm not religious so I don't give a shit. fuck religion and fuck your fake god
jim15ratm 1 year ago
@jim15ratm Im not sure what to make of that. Do you have an intellectual objection?
aselaortega 1 year ago
he says to an obviously distraught woman, "You weep over pictures, but you think it should be legal (using mocking tone). Now that's retarded." "Have you been educated beyond your intelligence?(insulting)" she responds, "I'm Catholic, go to church, love Jesus." he continues, "You're a hypocrite and a phony. You're no Christian. You're a son or daughter of Satan; of Satan and nothing else."
He totally deserved what he got. He completely provoked her. His fault. Period.
Well made film.
thedwork 2 years ago 5
That douche deserved to be smacked
Fragilexflame 2 years ago 16
@Fragilexflame If someone shows the atrocities of slavery by photos of the linchings, and dead bodies, they should be smacked? Using photos and cinematography are tools that have been used throughout history to show the seriousness of unjustice. In schools we would show films about slavery and holocaust that had not so pleasant images: to show the reality of that history and the events that occurred. Theres nothing wrong with that.
Creationcreed 1 year ago
Jesus Christ one of the Christians said "that is retarded". And what the hell are children doing there? They don't need to see those kind of images
ImmortalChaos 2 years ago 2
Especially when most pro-lifers put out false information/stupid propaganda regarding the truth about abortion.
Fragilexflame 2 years ago 4
What happened to this woman? Did she have charges pressed against her?
kaylamarie8907 2 years ago
"Crim was arrested after the incident and pleaded guilty to assault and battery. Flint District Judge Nathaniel C. Perry III suspended her sentence and said the case would be dismissed if she had not had more "assaultive contacts" by February 2005."
Not to bad. He had it coming.
bijitaq 2 years ago
Woman and Christians! Jesus Christ (no pun intended)
cmaggiulli 2 years ago 3
pro lifers are zealots and need to be stopped.
GonzoTheGreat3000 2 years ago 7
RETARDS...
STEAMWORKER 2 years ago
Those people arent right pushing their views on others and having kids be involved with something like this...its really absurd. If they dont believe in abortion then dont have one.
When it comes down to it, it IS the womans choice.
These self righteous christians here need to stay out of it. Period.
The screaming woman here also needs to get a grip on herself.
I just want to know why a fetis is more important to christians then killing young adults in a senseless war is?
mstngslly 2 years ago 4
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ellojello8 2 years ago
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This woman has probably had an abortion herself, or was implicit in one and seeing the images made her face the reality of what abortion is, and what it does to a baby. The truth hurts. She wouldn't even listen to what the guy was saying. She just kept screaming so she wouldn't have to hear the truth or see it.
Typical of people who are pro-choice but don't want to face what that CHOICE involves: A DEAD BABY.
Wake up people: This is what abortion IS.
Pruner15 2 years ago
wow she has no reasoning behind her screaming though....
gerardbelongs2menotu 3 years ago
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TALK TO ME
someone want to chat eD
HHHrule 3 years ago
SWEET!!! Good for you girl...your my hero
raytinared 3 years ago
I would bet that she would not care if it were disgusting images of abused animals being used by animal rights groups to promote their cause! She is just angry because she is obviously pro-choice and instead of arguing the merits of pro-choice she screams about the pictures. Seems like she is clutching at straws to me
tgc1600 3 years ago
She was obviously emotionally tormented by this. The strongest merits of pro-choice did, in fact, escape her lips in between sobs, before losing it. They are (w/ embellishment) that children would be brought into this world unwanted, and that a woman should decide whether she could handle the immense task of raising her child.
She also decries his use of children to propagate his message, she calls mothering a choice and accuses him of breeding indifference.
All the above are valid arguments.
Yaalah 3 years ago 2
is it your body? i don't think so....
ofeydofey 3 years ago
they both have points I can see both sides of this argument
sunclov 3 years ago
If it's not a person and it's just a choice, then why get so upset at those pictures? Kind of makes you wonder. Everything about abortion is tragic.
hawkboy76 3 years ago
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FYI...Go to bjwinslow dot/com (thats just ONE) click on "fetuses" on top to see all the rubber fetuses available, that are used on YT prolife videos & different websites. They can be dressed up in blood, black coloring to represent "burning", and all sorts of wonderful little visual "tricks". People, please think before believing ANY picture you see. You owe it to yourself to be educated.
sueezee 3 years ago
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Maybe the woman who was so mad had a abortion herself and was feeling guilty? Maybe she realizes could that possibly be a human on the poster. If its not a human than who cares and why get up set.
countyline81 3 years ago
what happens at 3:55 is EXACTLY what these extremist christians want to happen. they do everything in their power to make you angry just to get a reaction out of you. They'll insult you, accuse you, and attack you. They called this woman a "daughter of satan" for being angry at them...
How distinctly Christian of them.
a word of advice: if you see these "christians" on the street protesting, do everything in your power to ignore them.
adeptusvindicatus 3 years ago 20
@adeptusvindicatus your mom is PRO LIFE!!!
hiddenstar93 1 year ago
No matter how you look at it, abortion is a tragedy. This scene is sad in so many ways.
hawkboy76 3 years ago