Hey, my friend, if you believe in God and creation, I think that nature and rationalism will not punish or blame you for that.. so you don't need to trouble your mind.. Just believe it, don't let your mind make astray...spend the rest of your life in peace of mind rather than in such illusive views.
btw i meant Holy Spirit* and failied* XD when i type fast errors occur of course lol. anyhow I dont mean you any offense brother, I want peace and understanding for everyone. I didnt come to judge or condemn anyone. I just want everyone to be saved. Its obviously up to each and every person. God wont force you and neither can I nor would I if I could. Peace and love,
weeping and gnashing of teeth. The truth is, I dont think it would matter what people like myself try to explain to some people such as yourself because you would still chose to rebel. But atleast I am still going to try because I care for you and I care where your soul is going to go. You are a smart guy with a very witty and knowledgable personality. Its a shame to see just how much you are missing the BIG picture and going against the very thing that is so crucial in saving your life, which
EXACTLY when i needed them. EVERY TIME my friend. The Bible says in the last days there would be scoffers amongst society that will be going around saying "where is the promise of the return of this "Messiah"? It will be as in the days of Noah. People will be eating, drinking, and being married without a care in the world, going on and living in sin and doing as they please. then....like a thief in the night, the Lord WILL return when they least expect it. And then its too late! And there will
over a chair without being hurt. i hear all the atheists over and over all day long here on youtube that say He isnt real. Prove it! Bet you cant! No one ever has. So you either take the Gospel for what it says it is, and you stand on it and trust it and test it and see if its right. I have done so. MANY TIMES. And it hasnt felled me yet. I cant tell you how many times my life was saved from terrible accidents and almost fatal drug overdoses, debt that could have destroyed me, jobs coming to me
were scribes and teachers and apostles and people from within the church and monks and so on that HAD TO GET IT RIGHT. There was no room for errors! But if you arent the sort of person who has faith then you have no foundation and youre defeated before you can even get up off the ground. Im 29 and I dont claim to know it all, but I ask you to explain Pentecost to me and explain to me the miracle of the Hold Spirit administering to someone and seeing them jump 10 feet in the air, backwards and
For a guy such as yourself with your intellect, and at your age, I dont see how you sleep at night comfortably because I feel you KNOW the truth my friend. First problem, you were a catholic. I cant tell you how many bitter people I have seen on youtube that denounce the faith that used to be catholics. its a false sect of christianity! there are many of them. thats why the Bible says to read it for yourself! The Bible isnt just stories its a record of facts that were followed to the T. There
I am in complete agreement with you regarding early Greek philosophers. Strange conclusions, but asking the right questions and approaching (scrabbling for?) the right method to answer them.
Plato ruined this. The Socratic method still persists today. It built our modern society. The Socratic method is a Meme. What Plato tried to prove by using it is not. He missed the point entirely. He was a Rhetoricist and a Pedagogue and a Thief. Despite his protestations.
Speaking of ridiculous stories, from one former Catholic to another, Happy Saint Lawrence's Day to you, good sir. I'll be having BBQ for dinner in honor of the fiery feast. ;-)
I thought they ended up at the need for atoms or "smallest particles" by a logical fallacy? That when you cut a part of a sphere the newly formed surphaces couldn't be of equal area.
That's a beautiful poem, reminiscent of the book of Ecclesiastes. :) Did you have the opportunity to watch jericomovie's responses to SisyphusRedeemed?
A religous friend had trouble understanding why I don't fear being dead. My answer could be dismissed by my young age and therefore the expectation that it is a long time in the future, but currently on being dead my answer is simple.
I don't fear death because I don't intend the be around at the time.
@barefootID Yes indeed, it was all about the money even then! Paul wanted more and it's my contention that he ended up quietly in Rome a very wealthy man indeed.
Not directly related to your video good sr but your comment about good ghost stories made me remember the figure of the best ghost stories writer, M.R. James. His short story 'Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad' gives me shivers just to think about it...
@nyarlotep The great Eton/Kings scholar, MRJ knew how to write real ghostly stuff. His stories make me apprehensive even today when I've read them many times!
@tenneral Oh yes, I'm a big fan of the horror genre, in literature and cinema and his writings tops everything I have seen or read. The adaptation the BBC did of Whistle and A Warning to the Curious are splendid too.
@cmxcmx As I'm not a philosopher [as you might guess], I fear I don't know a good guide but I bet Penguin Books have issued such a thing that you could get.
@cmxcmx Try "Classical Literary Criticism" from Penguin and "The First Philosophers" from Oxford World Classics. "The First Philosophers" is probably more what you are after, but "Classical Literary Criticism" would a good place to start if you want to understand the cultural role of philosophy and religion within the Greek and Roman world.
@cmxcmx No problem. You can also use the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy for free, online. You'll probably want to focus in the presocratic philosophers. If you google "Presocratic" it should be one of the first links and will give you lots of information. Enjoy.
I absolutely HATE what YouTube is doing now when I play videos from my subscriptions: As soon as a video stops playing, some other video by someone else starts playing and I cannot give you (or any other of my subscriptions) a thumbs up or post a comment. I have to click the back button which brings me back to the front page, then click on the video I just saw and pause it.
Just now I had to go through all that nonsense just to tell you how much I enjoy your videos, kind Sir.
@RustyTube You are SO right! When will they stop tinkering around with the system? I hate to seem like an old fogey, but all recent changes on the tube have been largely for the worse in my opinion.
@tenneral Well, at 60 I certainly have no problem with old fogeys. :)
As for the changes, I often wonder if the YouTube designers ever try them out as if they were users. Though it is just as absurd from their own POV as it increases the load on their own servers whenever they start a video we did not ask to see.
I know - it's a real pain. I even tried turning autoplay off and it just came up with "error".
Another thing I hate is that I try to answer someone's comment at the bottom of the page and that new stupid pop-up window comes on. Grrrrr - why can't they leave things alone?
Excellent video. Well done. It's like free tutelage. Full of perspective. "The man who said 'no' to bifurcated thinking." Well spoken, almost poetic. Genuine. This kind of video is why I youtube.
my hypothesis about christianity is that has been a melting pot between greek philosophy and judaism(early christianity), or greekilization of judaism by greek educated jewish diaspora.(probably gnostic christianity must have been the original form or the archetype)
its also astonishing to see the percisting neoplatonism in middle east in religious sects, alevis, alawis, sufists, druze ,ismalis ,assyrians etc
@amet1980 I believe you are on very much the right lines here. The tangle of old superstitions which has ended up as the crazy patchwork of assorted beliefs attached to 'Desert Religions' is too complicated to unravel now. Only Alexander's treatment of the Gordian Knot will work!!
@robthesamplist So true: and I especially agree about the effect on children. One day, I'll make a harrowing video about how I was inflicted with religious mania.
Thank you for the video and for pointing out the other videos. I'll check them out. I'd like to make a video one day about my fall from belief... or rather my rise to atheism, but I'm rather ashamed (well, in a way) that I didn't really use that much reason. In summary, I stopped believing in God and really wasn't sure how, but I continue not to believe because it makes more sense.
Compartmentalization. Some people can be totally logical and rational with every other aspect of their lives, but when it comes to their religion logic and rationale goes out of the window. It's a very odd phenomena but very common.
Your comments on where morals come from echos what I've explained many times. Humans are social animals so we gather in communities, in order for those communities to function efectively and with cohension there has to be rules about behaviour. Those rules are based on what is good/bad for the community. When religions were founded those rules were co-opted and became morals.
Excellent!
DeaconVerter 5 months ago
Hey, my friend, if you believe in God and creation, I think that nature and rationalism will not punish or blame you for that.. so you don't need to trouble your mind.. Just believe it, don't let your mind make astray...spend the rest of your life in peace of mind rather than in such illusive views.
Naseer958 6 months ago
btw i meant Holy Spirit* and failied* XD when i type fast errors occur of course lol. anyhow I dont mean you any offense brother, I want peace and understanding for everyone. I didnt come to judge or condemn anyone. I just want everyone to be saved. Its obviously up to each and every person. God wont force you and neither can I nor would I if I could. Peace and love,
jonny
unleasheth 7 months ago
is the very same thing that paid for it.
unleasheth 7 months ago
weeping and gnashing of teeth. The truth is, I dont think it would matter what people like myself try to explain to some people such as yourself because you would still chose to rebel. But atleast I am still going to try because I care for you and I care where your soul is going to go. You are a smart guy with a very witty and knowledgable personality. Its a shame to see just how much you are missing the BIG picture and going against the very thing that is so crucial in saving your life, which
unleasheth 7 months ago
EXACTLY when i needed them. EVERY TIME my friend. The Bible says in the last days there would be scoffers amongst society that will be going around saying "where is the promise of the return of this "Messiah"? It will be as in the days of Noah. People will be eating, drinking, and being married without a care in the world, going on and living in sin and doing as they please. then....like a thief in the night, the Lord WILL return when they least expect it. And then its too late! And there will
unleasheth 7 months ago
over a chair without being hurt. i hear all the atheists over and over all day long here on youtube that say He isnt real. Prove it! Bet you cant! No one ever has. So you either take the Gospel for what it says it is, and you stand on it and trust it and test it and see if its right. I have done so. MANY TIMES. And it hasnt felled me yet. I cant tell you how many times my life was saved from terrible accidents and almost fatal drug overdoses, debt that could have destroyed me, jobs coming to me
unleasheth 7 months ago
were scribes and teachers and apostles and people from within the church and monks and so on that HAD TO GET IT RIGHT. There was no room for errors! But if you arent the sort of person who has faith then you have no foundation and youre defeated before you can even get up off the ground. Im 29 and I dont claim to know it all, but I ask you to explain Pentecost to me and explain to me the miracle of the Hold Spirit administering to someone and seeing them jump 10 feet in the air, backwards and
unleasheth 7 months ago
For a guy such as yourself with your intellect, and at your age, I dont see how you sleep at night comfortably because I feel you KNOW the truth my friend. First problem, you were a catholic. I cant tell you how many bitter people I have seen on youtube that denounce the faith that used to be catholics. its a false sect of christianity! there are many of them. thats why the Bible says to read it for yourself! The Bible isnt just stories its a record of facts that were followed to the T. There
unleasheth 7 months ago
im 17 and feel the same way...but i think if i made this video i'd be screaming at the top of my lungs to people why religion is so corrupt.
eatmeimsteak 8 months ago
Enjoying the videos and the efforts to deal with suspended disbelief.
trybeinganihilist 1 year ago
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hardrockerdave94 1 year ago
Medieval peasants you say?
Peasant 3: Well, she turned me into a newt!
Sir Bedevere: A newt?
Peasant 3: [meekly after a long pause] ... I got better.
Crowd: [shouts] Burn her anyway!
CognosSquare 1 year ago
I am in complete agreement with you regarding early Greek philosophers. Strange conclusions, but asking the right questions and approaching (scrabbling for?) the right method to answer them.
Plato ruined this. The Socratic method still persists today. It built our modern society. The Socratic method is a Meme. What Plato tried to prove by using it is not. He missed the point entirely. He was a Rhetoricist and a Pedagogue and a Thief. Despite his protestations.
krysylys 1 year ago
Speaking of ridiculous stories, from one former Catholic to another, Happy Saint Lawrence's Day to you, good sir. I'll be having BBQ for dinner in honor of the fiery feast. ;-)
ProfMTH 1 year ago
That religious mode you talked about brought to mind the modern mode of believing all those strange news clips that appear on the Net phones.
The religious and non religious dissonance becomes the Virtual and Real groups of the future
The virtuals will have that Two worldly mind that you talked about
While the reals will only know what is real
Choowbz 1 year ago
I think this is the first video on youtube i've watched which has no dislikes. A well deserved achievement.
robwasripped 1 year ago
ah! so you've obviously been to my village!
dimebag690 1 year ago
I thought they ended up at the need for atoms or "smallest particles" by a logical fallacy? That when you cut a part of a sphere the newly formed surphaces couldn't be of equal area.
imorio 1 year ago
That's a beautiful poem, reminiscent of the book of Ecclesiastes. :) Did you have the opportunity to watch jericomovie's responses to SisyphusRedeemed?
ElasticGiraffe 1 year ago
going by the title to this video, i was expecting a 9 minute homage to Victor Meldrew, however, ... it was an enjoyable ramble nonetheless.
bonnie43uk 1 year ago
Thanks for suggesting my video. I have nearly gotten 40 subscribers in 24 hours.
TheAtheistPaladin 1 year ago
A word for you, compartmentalization.
A book I would suggest for your reading list,
"the Closing of the Western Mind "
by Charles Freeman
Shows the admixture of Catholicism with secular (pagan) Roman politics.
Quite enlightening, if a bit thick and pedantic, but good nonetheless.
LGH666 1 year ago
@LGH666 Many thanks : this goes straight onto my 'To Read' list.
tenneral 1 year ago
More videos on philosophical history, please! I really enjoy your delivery.
amazingbollweevil 1 year ago
A religous friend had trouble understanding why I don't fear being dead. My answer could be dismissed by my young age and therefore the expectation that it is a long time in the future, but currently on being dead my answer is simple.
I don't fear death because I don't intend the be around at the time.
DavidJonesLives 1 year ago
@DavidJonesLives Excellent response in every way. By the way, long life & happiness to you!
tenneral 1 year ago
Hy there.
Major contribution to my deconvertion: acts V 1-11. Can we accept it from a very basic level of morality?
Nevertherless a lof of christians accept it like a glass of fresh water!
barefootID 1 year ago
@barefootID Yes indeed, it was all about the money even then! Paul wanted more and it's my contention that he ended up quietly in Rome a very wealthy man indeed.
tenneral 1 year ago
= )
StraightActingGayGuy 1 year ago
Not directly related to your video good sr but your comment about good ghost stories made me remember the figure of the best ghost stories writer, M.R. James. His short story 'Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad' gives me shivers just to think about it...
nyarlotep 1 year ago
@nyarlotep The great Eton/Kings scholar, MRJ knew how to write real ghostly stuff. His stories make me apprehensive even today when I've read them many times!
tenneral 1 year ago
@tenneral Oh yes, I'm a big fan of the horror genre, in literature and cinema and his writings tops everything I have seen or read. The adaptation the BBC did of Whistle and A Warning to the Curious are splendid too.
nyarlotep 1 year ago
Pardon the superficiality of this all...but you're so inspiring. I want to be like you.
Synchronomyst 1 year ago
@Synchronomyst Wait till you're my age - another few decades, and you will - like me - wish to be someone quite different, and a lot younger too!
tenneral 1 year ago
You're a born teacher Tenneral. You just can't stop yourself can you. And we're all the better for it. Cheers.
jamgilp 1 year ago 2
I enjoy your videos. Hope you will "keep 'em coming" as they say. cheers
jambimon 1 year ago
Interesting as always. Can you recommend any books for the layman who's interested in Greek philosophy but vaguely critical about Plato?
cmxcmx 1 year ago
@cmxcmx As I'm not a philosopher [as you might guess], I fear I don't know a good guide but I bet Penguin Books have issued such a thing that you could get.
tenneral 1 year ago
@cmxcmx
Frederick Copleston's "A History of Philosophy" is good. I think he has 2 volumes on the ancient Greeks (1 pre- and 1 post-Plato, I believe).
Eron2828 1 year ago
@Eron2828 Thank you!
cmxcmx 1 year ago
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LordProfBear 1 year ago
@cmxcmx Try "Classical Literary Criticism" from Penguin and "The First Philosophers" from Oxford World Classics. "The First Philosophers" is probably more what you are after, but "Classical Literary Criticism" would a good place to start if you want to understand the cultural role of philosophy and religion within the Greek and Roman world.
You can get both books online for less than $10.
LordProfBear 1 year ago
@LordProfBear
Sounds like what I'm after. Thanks for the tip!
cmxcmx 1 year ago
@cmxcmx No problem. You can also use the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy for free, online. You'll probably want to focus in the presocratic philosophers. If you google "Presocratic" it should be one of the first links and will give you lots of information. Enjoy.
LordProfBear 1 year ago
You're an interesting fucker. Fucking wasted on here...
YouAreJustaNumber 1 year ago
With respect, the fact that you're of the older generation, and are a FORMER christian gives me hope.
Well done.
Carry on.
svengalie 1 year ago
"One foot in the grave"
wimsweden 1 year ago
@wimsweden But the other foot is still on the High Road and directed upwards and onwards!
tenneral 1 year ago
Mmmmmm good breakfast. Thanks Ten!
Danmill23 1 year ago
I absolutely HATE what YouTube is doing now when I play videos from my subscriptions: As soon as a video stops playing, some other video by someone else starts playing and I cannot give you (or any other of my subscriptions) a thumbs up or post a comment. I have to click the back button which brings me back to the front page, then click on the video I just saw and pause it.
Just now I had to go through all that nonsense just to tell you how much I enjoy your videos, kind Sir.
RustyTube 1 year ago
@RustyTube You are SO right! When will they stop tinkering around with the system? I hate to seem like an old fogey, but all recent changes on the tube have been largely for the worse in my opinion.
tenneral 1 year ago
@tenneral Well, at 60 I certainly have no problem with old fogeys. :)
As for the changes, I often wonder if the YouTube designers ever try them out as if they were users. Though it is just as absurd from their own POV as it increases the load on their own servers whenever they start a video we did not ask to see.
RustyTube 1 year ago
@RustyTube
I know - it's a real pain. I even tried turning autoplay off and it just came up with "error".
Another thing I hate is that I try to answer someone's comment at the bottom of the page and that new stupid pop-up window comes on. Grrrrr - why can't they leave things alone?
jazzx251 1 year ago
Excellent video. Well done. It's like free tutelage. Full of perspective. "The man who said 'no' to bifurcated thinking." Well spoken, almost poetic. Genuine. This kind of video is why I youtube.
DeaconVerter 1 year ago
The Winter's Tale Shakespeare ;-)
RevDevilin 1 year ago
You are a brilliant man, tenneral. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with the world.
PluripotentBrain 1 year ago
Brain Candy MMmm! Will of course be subscribing as soon as I've digested the much appreciated serving.
THEHARMONIKZ 1 year ago
i feel so stupid watching you! i need to read more...
kapa1611 1 year ago
Thanks for the shout out, I appreciate it.
SisyphusRedeemed 1 year ago
@SisyphusRedeemed Truly honoured myself: thanks for your super work on YT!
tenneral 1 year ago
Im glad I subbed. =) excellent video.
AcusticDave 1 year ago
this brought a smile on my face but I think it's wasted on Jack.
rozeboosje 1 year ago
What was the poem that you mentioned???
Regrettably I've never learned it, but it sounds interesting.
What is it called???
DwayneJKing 1 year ago
@DwayneJKing It's "death the Leveller" by James Shirley.
yGnss 1 year ago
@DwayneJKing It's by James Shirley [1596-1666] 'The Glories of our Blood and State'.
tenneral 1 year ago
one must has good sense otherwise marriage become full disaster.
and you are somehow immortal already :) if these videos works after century...
74dorado 1 year ago
So I can assume you weren't too chipper regarding Jack's response?
Widgetas 1 year ago
@Widgetas You know me: water off a duck's back, as the saying goes!
tenneral 1 year ago
@tenneral In the words of Théoden on the Pelennor Fields, charging at an Oliphant: "Bring it down! Bring it doooown!"
I want to see a verbal slapping from Tenneral!
(and here's hoping I don't gain your disdain from being an LOTR fan)
Widgetas 1 year ago 2
great video.
great great .
my hypothesis about christianity is that has been a melting pot between greek philosophy and judaism(early christianity), or greekilization of judaism by greek educated jewish diaspora.(probably gnostic christianity must have been the original form or the archetype)
its also astonishing to see the percisting neoplatonism in middle east in religious sects, alevis, alawis, sufists, druze ,ismalis ,assyrians etc
amet1980 1 year ago
@amet1980 I believe you are on very much the right lines here. The tangle of old superstitions which has ended up as the crazy patchwork of assorted beliefs attached to 'Desert Religions' is too complicated to unravel now. Only Alexander's treatment of the Gordian Knot will work!!
tenneral 1 year ago
@tenneral.. or another greek sword ,Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus .
amet1980 1 year ago
It is so obvious that all religions are made up by our ancestors as a way of making sense of the world. why oh why do people still believe in them?
It should be illegal to teach just one religion to a child with intention of getting them to believe.
robthesamplist 1 year ago
@robthesamplist So true: and I especially agree about the effect on children. One day, I'll make a harrowing video about how I was inflicted with religious mania.
tenneral 1 year ago 2
Excellent video man.
I didn't learn that poem. What is it?
atthetopofmyvoice 1 year ago
What an erudite, but also common-sense, video!
dewinthemorning 1 year ago
Always a pleasure to watch and learn from your excellent videos.
lc237 1 year ago
Thank you for the video and for pointing out the other videos. I'll check them out. I'd like to make a video one day about my fall from belief... or rather my rise to atheism, but I'm rather ashamed (well, in a way) that I didn't really use that much reason. In summary, I stopped believing in God and really wasn't sure how, but I continue not to believe because it makes more sense.
CraniumOnEmpty 1 year ago
Compartmentalization. Some people can be totally logical and rational with every other aspect of their lives, but when it comes to their religion logic and rationale goes out of the window. It's a very odd phenomena but very common.
RationalConclusion 1 year ago
Quote: "They were never the laws of God in the first place" If only more people realised that. Great video! Oh....and thanks for the mention too!
kalsolarUK 1 year ago
Thanks tenneral, I'm glad that you stopped spending hours exposing your blessed sacrament; you could have got arrested.
Valelacerte 1 year ago
@Valelacerte Cheeky!
tenneral 1 year ago
One mustn't forget the Trial of Socrates or the Desecration of the Herms. The hoi polloi were not the most rational, even as the aristoi could be.
But at the end of the day, I'm with you. Things went downhill after Plato :-)
(I was forced to memorize all kinds of poetry in school. Rather glad of it, actually!)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
Your comments on where morals come from echos what I've explained many times. Humans are social animals so we gather in communities, in order for those communities to function efectively and with cohension there has to be rules about behaviour. Those rules are based on what is good/bad for the community. When religions were founded those rules were co-opted and became morals.
Scarletpooky 1 year ago
I think we are now hard wired not to believe until you see a youtube video lol. Great vid!
PragnorVorn 1 year ago
Great video :)
Bowsandarrows1 1 year ago