@atomicprayer Jesus words were to tell us that we all can be His family by following The will of His Father. It was not a sign of disrespect of Mary, rather a moment to point out that we all can be His brethren, sisters,mother, etc...
When Jesus placed Mary in the care of His disciple John, it was at once temporal,(for John to care for her during her earthly life) and spiritual/eternal. "Man, behold thy mother" and "Woman behold thy son".
@atomicprayer One of the greatest commandments is to Honor thy Father and thy Mother. If we as imperfect, given to original sin will do so imperfectly, then Jesus, who is innocent of all sin, would thus do so (honoring His Mother and Father) perfectly. Not a word that came from the mouth of Jesus was disrespectful of His Mother. It is impossible for such to be.
@TastetheTeardrops I understand that this is what you believe. Is it neccesary for salvation though? Do you believe that catholics are the only ones who will be saved?
@atomicprayer I believe it is not for us to know. God's mercy is infinite, and there is no way in our finite minds we can understand how far His mercy goes. I will say this though, I, being a Catholic, knowing the doctrines of the faith, must worship God as a Catholic. For me, yes, it is the only means of Salvation. To deny that would go against my spirit.
Jesus said, "seek, and you shall find" and I believe His words. He also said "lo, I stand at the door and knock"
@TastetheTeardrops also i never said he was disrespectful, he just doesnt awknowledge her. He does recognize his Father IN HEAVEN though. And as you said Jesus is our example, and we should strive to live like him. If Jesus did not do this, then why do Catholics? Jesus gave glory to God, not to Mary. Do Catholics believe that Jesus was wrong?
@atomicprayer I have a question. Did Jesus know what was going to happen to Himself? Of the passion he would undergo? Did He inform His disciples beforehand?
@TastetheTeardrops He did for he was God. He also did inform his disciples. So are you saying that salvation comes through the Catholic Faith? Does scripture say that men who follow Catholic Tradition or all men who believe in the Son of God?
@atomicprayer So knowing of what He would undergo, and it being said that if all of His works were written there would not be enough books to contain them, Jesus proclaimed from the Cross "Woman,behold thy son" and "Son,behold thy mother" while in an agony so terrible we can't even begin to imagine it. Why didn't He make those arrangements in private? Because the words had important significance. Very important. Jesus last words on the cross are the most significant in all of the Bible.
@TastetheTeardrops Also, there is the one that offers hope, so much hope. "Verily, I say unto you, this day thou shall be with me in Paradise" For those who accept Christ. Our hope, and Our Redeemer.
Others need this computer now,so I am done here for a while, I had no clue this would go into so much, perhaps, since I am not very learned in the faith, you may want to enquire from another who knows it better?
@TastetheTeardrops Interesting enough, yet i believe it is a bit a stretch to think we should pray to her. The biggest thing is that Jesus is the savior, Jesus is our picture of Gods character, Jesus is the one who is always ready to intercede for those who believe. I believe faith is faith in Jesus and the one who sent him. It seems people refer to "Catholic Faith" like it is faith in Jesus, when it appears more like faith in tradition. Just my opinion.
@TastetheTeardrops also, the message is that Jesus has saved those who believe. Which if you want to worship in a worldly way that is your preference. It is when Tradition gets in the way of that message that i have a problem with. God created all people, and created relationship with them. Catholics seem to cling to a few passages of scripture to cling to self righteousness. They claim that they are the authority, I claim God is the authority.
@atomicprayer Do I seem self righteous to you? If so, then I ask that you forgive me, I do not feel self righteous, I feel fortunate. My statements are meant to support what Catholics believe. I draw on what I have learned, and try to express those things as peacefully as possible. If you find offense in my demeanor that is my fault, but if you find offense with the teachings, I am guilty only of not being able to explain doctrine well.
@TastetheTeardrops 1 Corintians 1:10-17 Does this not speak directly to the same scenario that the Catholics cling to? If you claim that Peter was the first, then you follow Peter. Thanks have a nice day as well.
@atomicprayer When couples go to a pastor, a preacher, a priest, to get married, it is by the power invested to that Servant that the couple are validly married.The ultimate authority of that marriage,if it is a Godly one, is God,the ability to perform that sacrament, to join the couple was given to the Pastor. The couple partakes in a sacrament that another human was called to perform,in the place of God.The same with Peter, he acts under the authority of God to feed God's sheep.
@atomicprayer Saint Peter was the first Pope, not by his own power, by the authority handed to him by God. Everyone recognizes that. The Papacy was then passed through the centuries by Apostolic succession. After Judas betrayed Jesus, and another Apostle was taken into the fold, who made the decision as to whom would fill that space? The other Apostles did, by the authority given them by God. God, the ultimate authority.
@TastetheTeardrops Even Augustine knew that it was Peter act of Confession that the church of Jesus was to be founded on, not Peter. Peter is a man and is fallible. Now all who confess Jesus as Lord and savior are the members of the Church.Peter was the holder of the keys along with the other Apostles The Apostles died and so end era of Apostolic witness and Apostolic teachings live on in Scripture that can be historical verified. Oral tradition is now valid since no witness.
Jesus gave Peter the name "Rock" then said; "On this Rock I will build my Church"
The Pope is fallible on matters, but not those spoken Ex Cathedra. God gave us pastors to keep us in line, to shepherd us. It makes no sense to give different truths to different pastors, because their can only be one truth, otherwise, the truth is diluted, divided.
Peace, I am tired today,or would go more into this with you. Please know God loves you.
@TastetheTeardrops You see Jesus is not talking about Peter but his action. How does one come into the Christian Church in 50AD? How about Acts 2? What did Peter tell them to do to get into the Church?? Believe that Jesus is the Messiah the Son of the living God. No Peter as Pope, But Jesus as Lord. RCC teaching is missleading and not true.
@MRGV7373 Yes, Peter spoke as one who had authority in Acts 2.
If not The Bishop of Rome, then who do I turn to to learn the Truth? What pastor of which church or denomination? Why would Jesus establish a Church with no one at the helm?
@MRGV7373 Matthew 28:18-20, "All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world."
It is interesting then, we are divided because? It sounds as if our beliefs are similar if not the same on Grace, Faith and Works. And im not Catholic. Is it necessary to follow Catholic Tradition to be saved? Must i pray to Mary, for intercession, or do you think that Jesus will Interceded for us non catholics? When scripture refers to salvation for all who believe, does it refer to all men In the Catholic Church or truly all men? Thanks
@atomicprayer If in Christ Jesus, we find the new Adam, then does it not go without saying we find a new Eve as well? Eve was not stained with original sin. She took sin by disobedience. Mary as the New Eve, was preserved from original sin. She was always obedient to God. No, you need not pray the Rosary. Yet, if you look at the O.T. as a pre-shadowing of the N.T. you will see the reasons. Many of the queens of the O.T. were approached when a person wanted favor from the King.
@atomicprayer Many of the queens of the O.T. were the mothers of the Kings-not the brides. As the Kings mother,they would instruct the petitioner to do what the King commanded. The "imperfect" queens of the O.T. always pointed to their sons as the ruler. Mary still does this. In the O.T. it was the king who elevated his mother to the position of queenship, as Christ has done with His own mother. Whether it is necessary to pray to Mary is a personal decision.
@atomicprayer Jesus did not come to change the law, but to fulfill, and perfect the law. He is the perfect Adam. Eve must necessarily need a perfect counterpart to fulfill/perfect the law. As Eve is the mother of the human race, fallen to original sin,then so Mary the New mother who will lead us to righteousness >> her Son. There are many, many things in the O.T. that point to this.
I am not here to "disprove" other denominations, but to tell what I know of the Catholic faith. :)
@atomicprayer In many ways you are correct. Yet think of this. If we know to do right, and yet don't "feel" love, then it comes from a sense of "this is the right thing to do,even if I don't want to do this" Then is not that a commitment?
I have to keep typing in captcha's, so...... May you have a blessed evening, or day, or afternoon.
@atomicprayer We can only love like Jesus by giving up self. He knew we would fail to do so much of the time. I would love to think that I am "saved" for good. And yet, that would be like telling a child that since they brought home good grades for the first part of school, that they need not strive anymore to keep up those good grades. The more they strive, and do their best, the better they get, or at the least, they are rewarded for their effort.
@atomicprayer God is not a God of confusion, we see the way he has placed order in the universe. We see His amazing love for us everywhere, even those in prison, in poverty, in bondage to illness or infirmities, we see Him in the hearts of those who suffer. We grow in love. We see, feel, or simply acknowlege His love for His creatures, and we respond to that. If we walk away from it, then He is faithful and just to forgive us. Even if we ask forgiveness selfishly.
If love casts out fear, then salvation isn't works plus faith. Because we would perform works to remain saved for fear of being unsaved. Your arguement contradicts itself
@atomicprayer Works are a response to faith. The reason it is said one should not boast of their works is because not all are capable of works. Think of the paraplegic who loves God with all his heart and soul, yet has no money, no way of physically helping another... he has no works to "show", yet would God count this against him? Of course not. Perhaps this person simply offers God all they possess within. A wealth of love, a devotion to prayer. But for those who can do works....
@atomicprayer "and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." Ones works are best when backed with faith, with love, with selflessness instead of pride. Yet love is not always a "feeling", it is a dedication, a commitment. If we Love God, we do the works because he has commanded us to do so. That is dedication. It also expresses our love.
@atomicprayer No, I am saying I am doing my best according to the grace God has provided me. Will I be saved on the last day? It is my prayerful hope, but it is also my prayerful hope that I will not ever take my Salvation for granted. And I have many times. We can love much like Jesus. Selflessly, unconditionally, for even He said "and greater works than these shall you you do" and yet in our limited temporal form we could not ever comprehend so great a love.
Love is not self seeking, it does not seek the interest of self, but the interest of the other. When we look out only for our own welfare, love is often selfish. ("what do I get from this?" as opposed to "how does this benefit the other"?) We pray to grow in love that we may help others selflessly. It seems part of the human condition to fight against the selfishness of our flesh. And yet, it is beautifully and fully human to love. If we pray to love, it will come.
@atomicprayer Luke 11:11 And which of you, if he ask his father bread, will he give him a stone? or a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
And "perfect love casts out all fear", this, to me, means we will no longer fear what may happen to us, what may be done to us, what we may do without, but rather we will grow to love God and our fellow man more completely. Without love, to me, means we live in fear, so we lose peace of mind, we lose closeness to God. And yet....
.... Love is perfected by obedience to God. It often does not come overnight, it is a slow whittling away of the selfish desires we have. It is something we struggle for, and can only attain with God's help.
I fail to love every single day. I pray to love every day. God's grace is sufficient for me. And for all.
Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
If the Catholic church is the church.....why has the Pope said Jews have salvation without Christ? No one will answer that, because although I AM aware the Catholic church was the first church, the reason for the separation came from the corruption within. REV 18:4 come out from her my people, lest ye be not partakers of her sins
@HeatherBornAgain The time is coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah." (Jer 31:31)
That is the official position of the Catholic Church and what the Pope expressed... He never said salvation without Christ.
@HeatherBornAgain Jesus was that new covenant. You will never convince me of the authority of the Catholic church, I was raised in catholic schools,I KNOW their beliefs, I have studied the TRUE history, not just the parts that were comfortable for me. I study Gods word so I can see the truth. You will never change my mind, I do pray for you!!! I once was you lol
I want to repost his comment by craventref, it is great! :Doing good deeds is the imitation of Christ's life on earth, who raised the dead, healed the crippled, and made the blind see. St. Paul says that there are three things that abide; faith, hope, and love, and THE GREATEST of these is LOVE, not faith (1 Corinthians 13:13).
You aren't loving just merely trying to prove you are right so as to preserve your salvation. And if you aren't loving, then you aren't fufilling the law. And if you still require faith plus works for your salvation you condemn yourself
Thanks for you opinion. I am a Christian though not Catholic. My obligation is to Christ not the Catholic church. Are you loving others now? Or are you using others salvation as a stepping stone for your own? That's the problem with not believing in grace alone, love is impossible if you aren't saved by grace alone.
If you want me to step out of this (you or Mr. Silvia) I will without offense.
Please know, it is only by grace we can be saved. It is also by grace that we are able, and required to do works. How can we use another to further our own Salvation? Jesus said, "when I was hungry,you fed me, when I was naked,you clothed me, etc..." when asked "when did we do these things" Jesus answered. "when you did it to the least of one of these, you did it also unto me"
Still, to do these works,is a requirement to those who can. Those who cannot receive just as much grace. This is why works alone cannot get one into Heaven. We should not boast of our works, for it is only by grace one can do those works. It is by grace alone. One cannot "use" another to further their salvation but one can do the works Christ calls us to do, and by obedience to His words we are hopeful to salvation.
@atomicprayer Doing good deeds is the imitation of Christ's life on earth, who raised the dead, healed the crippled, and made the blind see. St. Paul says that there are three things that abide; faith, hope, and love, and THE GREATEST of these is LOVE, not faith (1 Corinthians 13:13).
@atomicprayer I am going to listen to the bible, and not you..."Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
KJV John 20:23 This is Jesus talking to those who were to spread the Gospel....
@atomicprayer isn't it funny that Catholics think their church is the only way to salvation! People learn the real history, do your homework, throw away your television, stop being a drone and wake up!!!!! The catholic church contradicts the Bible, and if your faith doesn't come from the Bible..... where did they make it up from?????????
In The Mosaic Law, it was the priests, entrusted by God, who remitted the sins of the people. It wasn't because they could, it was because God did it through them. They were vessels.
Yes, God knows our hearts. He knows that we are healed and reconciled with Him when we confess our sins as He instructed us to do. We follow His laws. We take part in the healing sacraments He gave, that we might have life, and have it more abundantly.
Mark 8:33 "Who turning about and seeing his disciples, threatened Peter, saying: Go behind me, Satan, because thou savorest not the things that are of God, but that are of men." Jesus was letting Peter know that he, Peter, was allowing himself to be influenced by Satan. Many Christians are when they begin their walk. Later Jesus told Peter 3 times "feed my sheep". 3 is a number that verified the truth of a statement.
Matthew 16:18 "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
This statement is very clear. From the time of Peter there has been an Apostolic Succession.
Jesus told us to "do all they tell you to do, but be not like them". Often "teachers" will teach without following their own rules. The tenets of the Catholic faith are the only ones that need to be followed.
Do you know the Greek word that Christ used to speak to peter? He used the word petrus not petra. A little stone, a great stone. Do your homework and do not be confused.
Please refer to Matthew 16; 18, "and upon this rock, I will build My Church."
Further study into the gospels will show that Peter played a key role in determining many of the doctrines of The Early Church. Through discernment and theological debate.
@atomicprayer Often the Scribes and Pharisees would demand the most rigorous set of rules that were difficult for anyone to follow, while denying the greater matters of the law like Love and Mercy. This is shown in scripture Matthew 23:24
Blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Such blind guides can be found in any sect of Christianity. If one denies helping their elderly parents because they are commanded to give that money to the church instead, then....
Lets think about it people, why would a man not want you to interperet Scripture? To keep you in bondage, read it yourselves. Mark 7 is a good place to start.
If I hand 3 children a math book, and tell them "figure it out the best you can" without them having any foundation or instruction, then all will come up with different answers and likely those answers will be far from the right one. If I give a child a math book, and an instructor who is learned in the subject, that child is more likely to grasp the subject and understand it better. We don't hand our children books and just expect them to learn on their own.
We give them teachers, we let them learn from those who've learned and know the subject well. The instructors are those who learned not just from books, but from those who taught them as well. The instructions, the way to do the math is something handed down from one generation to the next. It doesn't all come from just the book, but how "the book" has been interpreted for ages. Since math was first established. Having just the book, doesn't mean having answers.
@TastetheTeardrops we are told by Jesus to hear what others have to say, but to believe and trust only God. If the things being said or done go against God's Word you know it is not from Him, but someone disguised in light. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, and THAT is how we can trust HIM. Jesua did not come to change Gods laws, why did the Pope? I cannot follow any practices that differ from the Word of God. Jesus never baptised babies and gentiles are not bound to O.T Jewish laws
@HeatherBornAgain Peter explained what happens at baptism , "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). But he did not restrict this teaching to adults. "For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him" (2:39). "Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16).
@stevesilvia infants are not consciously aware of sin or a need to repent or know Christ as their saviour. This is a choice we have to be aware we are making, it cannot be made for us, Jesus said the children belong to God. and none were sprinkled either. Jesus prayed to His heavenly Father not his earthly mother, and although Mary was blessed, she is not equal to God, neither she nor a priest can forgive sins! we are not called to follow tradition but God the Creator.
@HeatherBornAgain Since Paul and the first Christians baptized entire households, young and old, we do too...The Catholic Church is merely continuing the tradition established by the first Christians, who heeded the words of Christ: "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God" (Luke 18:16). Furthermore, the Bible never says, "Faith in Christ is necessary for salvation except for infants"; You must admit there is an exception for infants...
@stevesilvia yes I do, so why are they sprinkled? The choice was already made by God that the children belong to Him, once they are old enough to choose for themselves they can choose to be born-again.
@HeatherBornAgain (Acts 16:15). The Philippian jailer whom Paul and Silas had converted to the faith was baptized that night along with his household. We are told that "the same hour of the night . . . he was baptized, with all his family" (Acts 16:33). And in his greetings to the Corinthians, Paul recalled that, "I did baptize also the household of Stephanas" (1 Cor. 1:16).
No, Thank God truly we are not bound by those laws, for they were too difficult for any man to follow. And the sacrifice of animals (a foreshadowing of The One True Lamb of God) was not enough to remit the sins of man. Jesus gave us a New and Everlasting Covenant, and is the Perfect Lamb of God. The Sacraments are those established by Jesus himself. They are not a burden, they give us strength, they call us to sanctifying grace. Please consider Steves comment
@HeatherBornAgain Your snide remark reveals much about you...I have read the bible. Your accusations about me is without merit. I wonder what other Christians will think of your example here?
@stevesilvia snide remarks? I asked several questions none of which you answered! If you look to the scriptures and history the truth will be revealed to you too my friend! I speak out of love and concern for your soul! please take time to answer the questions!
@HeatherBornAgain If you don't understand. then that is your excuse... You stated "do you get your information from false profits and anti-Christs?" That is not a real question, that is a snide remark.... If you have a real question, with respect, just ask.
@stevesilvia who gave the Pope the authority to call himself the head of the church? Jesus is the head of the church, who gave him the authority to change the Sabbath? who gave him the authority to forgive sins, or since when did we need someone to intercede for us? where does the rosary come from? why are infants sprinkled "baptised"? are babies old enough to choose Christ? why sprinkle? why not full immersion, its supposed to represent rebirth. If you can answer me with scripture to back it..
With all due respect, I understand where you are coming from as I was once very anti-Catholic. I was convinced by trying to prove the Church wrong. Jesus himself handed on the Keys of the Kingdom to Saint Peter. (The first Pope) God did not establish His Church to be divided, but one Church. The Catholic Church traces back to the first Pope. Saint Peter. The Sabbath was established as the day of the Resurrection. Which makes sense if you think about it.
The Rosary is a meditative prayer in which we are drawn to reflect on Our Lord, His life, His teachings, His passion, His mercy. The words of the Rosary are drawn from Scripture. "Hail Mary, full of grace, etc.." We look at Our Lord's life through the eyes of Mary. Looking throught the eyes of a mother has a way of drawing us closer. Infants are "baptised" of original sin. The "baptism" is complete at Confirmation, when the person determines to follow Christ.
The initial part of baptism, seals the Child with The Holy Spirit, until they are old enough to decide for themselves and complete the baptism. There is scripture to back this practice. Many in those days first received The Holy Spirit, then were "confirmed" in the faith by the laying on of hands.
Think of the Pope as a modern Moses. Moses was a human entrusted to teach the children of Israel how to worship God. He was handed "the Keys" to the Kingdom then.
Also, the practice of Baptism of infants relates to the circumcision of Jewish infant boys. This was a dedication of the parents to raise their child in the faith. We are called to a circumcision of the heart. We dedicate our child to God when we have them baptised. They (hopefully) dedicate themselves at Confirmation. These are all signs and sacraments of faith. To strengthen us as individuals, and our whole family.
@HeatherBornAgain lol... "If you look at history"?? I have... and for more than 1500 years...there was nothing but the Catholic Church....oh and a bunch of small heretic cults... that eventually died out!
Watch John Wycliff the movie about the man who translated the Bible to english. Watch videos on the History of the vatican and roman catholic church. The roman emperors hid in the vatican when Greece invaded and they incorporated pagan rituals and symbols to appease everyone.
or add 5 Holy days to the calendar? Which goes against the 10 commandments? Why did the early catholic church kill Christians and try to keep the scriptures from being read by anyone other than the high priests?
The early church? Or some of it's members? It is not Catholic doctrine to kill. Jesus instructed us to do all they tell us to do, but be not like them. This means often the teachers are not following their own teachings. Like a doctor who tells a patient to quit smoking but dies of lung cancer him/herself because they themselves smoke. They gave good advice, they simply didn't follow it themselves. The Bible was kept from the laypeople because....
As history has shown, it was known that scripture would then be interpreted many different ways. The Church would become divided. The Body of Christ has divided many times since then. There used to be only One Church, One Body, now there are many according to......gee, the teachings of man, the many different interpretations of many men. Yet the inevitable had to happen.
If you look in Scripture, there were many Holy Days in the Mosaic Law. Not just the Sab.
Why does the pope consider himself to be the head of the church? The Bible teaches Christ is the head of the church and we who believe are the body. Why did the vatican change the Holy Sabbath day to Sunday?
@stevesilvia do you confess your sins to a priest or do you pray to God through Jesus Christ? The Bible teaches that God knows our heart and hears our cries no matter where we are.
If your beliefs do not come from the scriptures, where are you getting your information from? I used to be roman catholic....until I read the Holy Bible and discovered for myself how corrupt it is!!!!!
I shall never declare more than one spirit, by giving a response 'And with your spirit'. Never shall I. It would hurt Jesus. One body, one Spirit in Him. Amen
Our Faith as catholics reats in Jesus Christ and the gates of hell (underworld) will never prevail. This is the Church that was founded by Jesus Christ. however, he says there are other sheep I have not told you about. He calls us Catholic to be the Good Shepherd and go find the lost, lame, oppressed, widowed and orphans and bring them My freedom. "Be Not afraid" When you open your hearts to God the only church you can be led to is theCatholic Church. disappointed in in humans don't shut hear
Our Faith as catholics reats in Jesus Christ and the gates of hell (underworld) will never prevail. This is the Church that was founded by Jesus Christ. however, he says there are other sheep I have not told you about. He calls us Catholic to be the Good Shepherd and go find the lost, lame, oppressed, widowed and orphans and bring them My freedom. "Be Not afraid" When you open your hearts to God the only church you can be led to is the Catholic Church. disappointed in in humans don't shut heart
Paul makes it clear and says "let me not restrain you" and that it isn't a commandment from God, but his own opinion. No reason why priests can't marry.
@sarevor that is why it isn't a doctrine. There are married Priests *shocker*. A married man CAN become a Priest, but a Priest cannot become married. This is how the east does it as well as the west.
It is the norm in the west not to have priests that are also married, but it isn't something that doesn't exist.
It is the norm in the east to have priests that are also married, but unmarried Priests do exist and it is only unmarried Priests that become Bishops.
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." - John 21:25
It is amazing that those heretics who profess sola scriptura would sooner trust a relative interpretation by individuals 1500 years after Christ then to accept the teachings of those who knew Him and His apostles; that is, the Catholic Church.
You mentioned 1 John 5:7 Do you have a Catholic Jerusalem Bible? If so, then look up this verse and read the FOOTNOTES and read for yourself that this verse is a spurious text. Someone who tried to force their views of the false trinity tried to make it creep into the Bible. Also do a google search on this verse and read the article on Wilkepedia This verse is recognized by many religions as falsely rendered. Also watch my video on the trinity which shows its false.
How many people did Jesus kill? How about the RCC? One True Church of one church who is full of ITSELF. It's gospel in about ITSELF. It lifts up ITSELF, no Christ Jesus. It puts Mary above Jesus. It is not the historic church, you can look to Antioch for that.
Constantine was in the east, not Rome.
What gospel are you preaching, you tell the world about you not about Jesus.
@stevesilvia During WWII the RCC perpetrated a holocaust itself against Serbs and Croats, they supported Hitler who killed how many? This isn't even a century ago. Nearly every post on YouTube by Catholics is "One True Church". This cannot be Jesus' church. He came to kill, he did not come to slaughter. He is coming again and his message to the people of this church is to come out of her lest you share in her plagues.
To have Jesus in your heart is the best thing. To have a real relationship!
@stevesilvia The Catholic Church has covered up the killing of scientists, all in inquisitions, the religious wars, St. Bartholmew's Eve massacre. The helped the Nazis.
What more do you need, I could go on and on but what difference does it make. There is plenty of proof, you just want to have a Catholic source. It is like expecting the Mafia to come clean.
Have you never read Fawkes' Book of Martyrs?
The RCC encourages illegal immigration in the US. Last time I looked, that is illegal.
@courag1 your reply borders on anti catholic gossip. If you can prove that the Catholic Church helped the nazis, or that the Catholic Church encourages illegal immigration, then your gossip will deserve our attention... If you can't stick to the topic, that I am giving you here, then please don't reply back....Most protestants just jump to other anti catholic gossip, instead of being honest, and answering the question at hand... I await your reply....
@stevesilvia Someday when you stand before God, He can ask you about anti-Catholic gossip and He will tell you that to the extent you did this to the least of these His brethren, you did it unto Him.
I am not going to hold your hand, you are capable of looking up holocausts, you are capable of looking up what the Vatican stole after WWII.
Your church is not the means of salvation, Jesus is. Decide whose side you are on. His way or another way. You kiss the koran too?
"I am not going to hold your hand, you are capable of looking up holocausts, you are capable of looking up what the Vatican stole after WWII."
Oh really ? If you are not lying - please list atleast one thing the Catholic Church stole.
"Your church is not the means of salvation, Jesus is"
Well you speak as if according to Catholics the Church and Jesus are competing means to Salvation. Your fallible incorrect private opinion boss - and not what Catholics believe. Wake up man.
@courag1 Jesus started the ROman Catholic church (Matt 16) and his teachings in the gospel are in the church . The only reason you even have a gospel in your hands to read is because then CAtholic church made that possible in 393 AD the council of Hippo made the decisions on this matter . Christ gave them authority to do so (MAtt 18) . The Pope promotes peace that is his job. He knows the Quran is false but he knows that the Muslims worship the God of Abraham as well.
@CAtholic29 Then why did the pope take on the name of the caesars? He is Pontifex Maximus, same as the caesars. Do you suppose that when you change the day of worship that you are declaring that it is because you have more authority than God because that is what your church says. When you worship on Saturday, then you declare that the God you worship is the creator, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. On Sunday you declare that the pope is your God.
@williemetoyer23 Look up the Serbian holocaust. It is on YouTube. Rome is into covere-up . They also know that most people are lazy, so long as nothing has happened to them, they will go around saying the RCC is the ONE TRUE CHURCH. These people have never studied history, real history is gleaned from reading also the dissenting opinion. The SCOTUS keeps a record. We can never know everything which has happened in the world, but people who are wise, also know this, they go and check facts.
@courag1 i looked up the serbien holicost but did not get anything about the church could you give mea specific name of the video that discusses this
@ESEME11 Your life is no more a lie than people who convert to Islam even though they know it is barbarism. Just because the gladiators don't fight in the Coliseum does not mean that hatred does not pump in the veins to over ride the intellect.
The selling of indulgences just makes the church rich, it isn't true and will never be true.
The only thing we can possibly stand on is Jesus. The popes have frequently been full of corruption. To ignore this is to believe in magic. Poof, he's holy.
@courag1 Guess what, the Church doesn't sell indulgences, yup that's right, I checked and then converted.
The Church isn't for the sinless, it's for the sinful, and the Church shows the sinful the path to righteousness. The Church does and will always teach the TRUTH, whether you like it or not.
As for hatred being pumped in the vein to override the intellect, DITTO, look at what you're writing and tell me that hatred has not clouded ur judgment.
@ESEME11 You know, you are right, they send the poor schmucks with the prayer cards they buy from the church & have local print shops print them up & then they go into an envelope with money & there is the indulgence. It doesn't matter that what in essence you are told is not true. They care about the money and you not going elsewhere. They couldn't do this unless they had convinced you that the grace of God is sufficient to cover your sins. You have a supermarket of who else to trust w/ RCC.
@courag1 more gossip from protestants......How sad.....If you want to know the truth, just ask. I said this to you a month ago, and everybody knows now you don't want to know, you don't want to ask. All you want to do is bash that which you don't understand. That is not Christanity.....I don't think anyone wants to listen to your gossip anymore.....Just sounds like noise.
@courag1 No one convinced me but God. Who is they? Where are they? In a room? Do you see them there? Is that what you were told by someone who heard from someone, that 'they' put things into people's head? How did they put into my head? they kidnapped me and locked me in a room and drilled it into me until I became a zombie? Look present your case intelligently and I will listen to you ok?
@ESEME11 Do you know why I am not Catholic? Did the Catholic Church stop the Turks when they killed the Armenians? No. Did they stop Hitler? Bonhoeffer tried, the RCC helped by collecting booty. That is not a church, that is a business. That is Mafia.
If what you pray to and give you money to helps support a Church which isn't godly, you can pray to God without all that and give the money to the poor where it is needed.
Do you know why I am not Catholic? Did the Catholic Church stop the Turks when they killed the Armenians? "No".
Do you even know how idiotic that sounds ? Did your religion stop that ? Did your religion even exist at that time ?
" Did they stop Hitler?"
So according to your private opinion - the Church which Jesus found should have stopped Hitler.. Did your religion do that ? If not - why are you still in that religion - as per your own reasoning ?
@courag1 And I'm saying you're not reading what I wrote. I researched, I converted, simple. I realized lies like what you're spewing is just that lies. I know you really want to believe it's propaganda but it's not. I'm highly educated and don't need anyone to tell me this that and that. In this day and age I can discover for myself and I did. Now you should go discover instead of running to the consolation of websites or books to make yourself feel better.
@williemetoyer23 There is no conversation with God, then there is no relationship with God. You have every other path you are supposed to go to: the saints, the priest, pray to the pope, pray to Mary. By the time you get through the Rosary, if you work, what else is there time for?
Asking Jesus in your heart is not to spend the rest of your life ignoring Him, or pretending the host bread becomes Jesus actual flesh.
What a person believes is supposed to be based on scripture.
@courag1 Your comments are sad. I'm not sure what you've been told. I would advise much more "asking searching and knocking"...the world is keeping you away from his Holy Church where the most intimate reality of Christ's presence lies. God Bless you.
In the early Church, as is still followed in the Orthodox Church, baptism by full immersion, Holy Communion, with wine and "leavened " bread, and a married priesthood.All these were changed in the Catholic Church. Innovations by Rome, immaculate conception, purgatory, the addition of the Filioque (refuting the decisions of the Second & Third Ecumenical Councils),disregarding the First Ecumenical Council on the celebration of Easter (should be after the Jewish Passover) and Papal infallibility.
Episcopalian and Anglican Church is the same; both are members of the Anglican Church. According to themselves the Church was founded in year 33..and that is also the case of the Lutheran churches of Sweden and Finland. Christianus mihi nomen est, catholicus cognomen
@ Stevesilvia Ah, but you are mistaken, because belief is ALWAYS a prerequisite to baptism. If an infant can believe with all their heart that Jesus is the son of God, let them be baptized, but never before. A newborn baby does not possess that capacity. Furthermore, all of the texts that mention household mentioned belief, thus nullifying your argument for the baptism of newborns.
With Orthodox Christians, Lutheran Christians believe that the Holy Spirit has continued an unbroken line of teachers and teaching to preserve the pure, holy and live saving Gospel, far above the Scriptures. What Lutheran say is: Nothing outside of what Scripture teaches can be COMMANDED of Christian people. Our Orthodox brethern agree.
@john62718hd LOL. Orthodox have far more in common with Catholic than Lutherans: Seven Sacraments, the Mass, Marian Doctrines, Confession to a Priest, the Eucharist.... ...Orthodox do NOT recognize any Apostolic Succession within Lutheranism. You are out of you gord.
Really, then why did Jesus come up out of the water when he was baptized. Why did John the Baptist baptize in the Jordan, because "there was much water there. Why did the Ethiopian eunuch come up OUT of the water in Acts 8??
F'irstly, the jailer and his family in Acts 16. It states in verse 34. "He was filled with joy because he had come to BELIEVE in God-he and all his family. The key word is believe, of which a baby cannot do. Therefore it must be concluded that they were of age to believe, thus nullifying your argument.
Secondly, all of the biblical accounts of baptism follow belief in Christ. Acts 2:38, Acts 8 (the eunuch), Acts 9 (Paul's conversion). Thirdly the greek word for baptism (Baptiso) means to immerse, to be completely submerged, as in a burial. Sprinkling, is not even a real baptism, another tradition that the Catholic church has made up. As far as Lydia, she goes on to say that "if you consider me a believer in the Lord, which again, necessitates that her family were able to believe as well.
When Jesus says to let the little children come to him, one can be no means infer that this means that children should be baptized. Jesus was simply criticizing the disciples because they were trying to hinder the children from approaching him to interact with him. This, too, is not a valid argument.
Besides this fact, every other time the Bible mentions household, they have the capacity to believe. Examples Acts 16- He and ALL his family believed.
Acts 11:14 He will bring you a message through which you and your household will be the saved.
Acts 18:8: Crispus the synagogue ruler, and his entire household BELIEVED in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him BELIEVED and were baptized. If you are going to throw out verses about households, we examine every instance.
@bwmnstar7: What do you mean a baby can't believe? I have to wonder if you have any children. If you do have children & gave a moments thought to what you are saying you'd be embarrassed for your absurdities. Every time a crying unhappy baby is taken up in the arms of his mother & he ceases to cry begins to smile & laugh, he believes. More importantly he loves. To know God's grace is to know God's love. Any parent knows his or her baby loves them. How much more so for God's infinite love.
But when Jesus is called for by his mother and brother, he doesn't awknowledge them. Can you explain that?
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer Jesus words were to tell us that we all can be His family by following The will of His Father. It was not a sign of disrespect of Mary, rather a moment to point out that we all can be His brethren, sisters,mother, etc...
When Jesus placed Mary in the care of His disciple John, it was at once temporal,(for John to care for her during her earthly life) and spiritual/eternal. "Man, behold thy mother" and "Woman behold thy son".
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer One of the greatest commandments is to Honor thy Father and thy Mother. If we as imperfect, given to original sin will do so imperfectly, then Jesus, who is innocent of all sin, would thus do so (honoring His Mother and Father) perfectly. Not a word that came from the mouth of Jesus was disrespectful of His Mother. It is impossible for such to be.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops I understand that this is what you believe. Is it neccesary for salvation though? Do you believe that catholics are the only ones who will be saved?
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer I believe it is not for us to know. God's mercy is infinite, and there is no way in our finite minds we can understand how far His mercy goes. I will say this though, I, being a Catholic, knowing the doctrines of the faith, must worship God as a Catholic. For me, yes, it is the only means of Salvation. To deny that would go against my spirit.
Jesus said, "seek, and you shall find" and I believe His words. He also said "lo, I stand at the door and knock"
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer It is up to us to "open" the doors, whatever barriers we may have, and let Him in.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops also i never said he was disrespectful, he just doesnt awknowledge her. He does recognize his Father IN HEAVEN though. And as you said Jesus is our example, and we should strive to live like him. If Jesus did not do this, then why do Catholics? Jesus gave glory to God, not to Mary. Do Catholics believe that Jesus was wrong?
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer I have a question. Did Jesus know what was going to happen to Himself? Of the passion he would undergo? Did He inform His disciples beforehand?
Okay, that is 3 questions...
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops He did for he was God. He also did inform his disciples. So are you saying that salvation comes through the Catholic Faith? Does scripture say that men who follow Catholic Tradition or all men who believe in the Son of God?
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer So knowing of what He would undergo, and it being said that if all of His works were written there would not be enough books to contain them, Jesus proclaimed from the Cross "Woman,behold thy son" and "Son,behold thy mother" while in an agony so terrible we can't even begin to imagine it. Why didn't He make those arrangements in private? Because the words had important significance. Very important. Jesus last words on the cross are the most significant in all of the Bible.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops he says "tetelestai" or "it is finished" Where did you get that?
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer
It is all written. All of Jesus final words from the Cross. They are known by most Christians of any denomination.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops "Woman,behold thy son" and "Son,behold thy mother" can you point me as to where this is contained?
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer ST. John, Chapter 19, verses 26 and 27.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer And the words are actually "Man, behold thy Mother" I misquoted.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer "Father please forgive them, they know not what they do."
There is a special grace there that I can't even begin to define.
"I thirst" - for the salvation of souls.
"Father, into thine hands I commend my spirit." - we can too.
“Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?”- The innocent victim that wins victory? refer to Psalm 22
And finally "It is finished" - The Perfect Sacrifice now unites God and man.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops Also, there is the one that offers hope, so much hope. "Verily, I say unto you, this day thou shall be with me in Paradise" For those who accept Christ. Our hope, and Our Redeemer.
Others need this computer now,so I am done here for a while, I had no clue this would go into so much, perhaps, since I am not very learned in the faith, you may want to enquire from another who knows it better?
Have a good day. Or night.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops Interesting enough, yet i believe it is a bit a stretch to think we should pray to her. The biggest thing is that Jesus is the savior, Jesus is our picture of Gods character, Jesus is the one who is always ready to intercede for those who believe. I believe faith is faith in Jesus and the one who sent him. It seems people refer to "Catholic Faith" like it is faith in Jesus, when it appears more like faith in tradition. Just my opinion.
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops also, the message is that Jesus has saved those who believe. Which if you want to worship in a worldly way that is your preference. It is when Tradition gets in the way of that message that i have a problem with. God created all people, and created relationship with them. Catholics seem to cling to a few passages of scripture to cling to self righteousness. They claim that they are the authority, I claim God is the authority.
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer Do I seem self righteous to you? If so, then I ask that you forgive me, I do not feel self righteous, I feel fortunate. My statements are meant to support what Catholics believe. I draw on what I have learned, and try to express those things as peacefully as possible. If you find offense in my demeanor that is my fault, but if you find offense with the teachings, I am guilty only of not being able to explain doctrine well.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops 1 Corintians 1:10-17 Does this not speak directly to the same scenario that the Catholics cling to? If you claim that Peter was the first, then you follow Peter. Thanks have a nice day as well.
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer When couples go to a pastor, a preacher, a priest, to get married, it is by the power invested to that Servant that the couple are validly married.The ultimate authority of that marriage,if it is a Godly one, is God,the ability to perform that sacrament, to join the couple was given to the Pastor. The couple partakes in a sacrament that another human was called to perform,in the place of God.The same with Peter, he acts under the authority of God to feed God's sheep.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer Saint Peter was the first Pope, not by his own power, by the authority handed to him by God. Everyone recognizes that. The Papacy was then passed through the centuries by Apostolic succession. After Judas betrayed Jesus, and another Apostle was taken into the fold, who made the decision as to whom would fill that space? The other Apostles did, by the authority given them by God. God, the ultimate authority.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops Even Augustine knew that it was Peter act of Confession that the church of Jesus was to be founded on, not Peter. Peter is a man and is fallible. Now all who confess Jesus as Lord and savior are the members of the Church.Peter was the holder of the keys along with the other Apostles The Apostles died and so end era of Apostolic witness and Apostolic teachings live on in Scripture that can be historical verified. Oral tradition is now valid since no witness.
MRGV7373 2 weeks ago
@MRGV7373 Not valid since it has not living witnesses.
MRGV7373 2 weeks ago
@MRGV7373
Jesus gave Peter the name "Rock" then said; "On this Rock I will build my Church"
The Pope is fallible on matters, but not those spoken Ex Cathedra. God gave us pastors to keep us in line, to shepherd us. It makes no sense to give different truths to different pastors, because their can only be one truth, otherwise, the truth is diluted, divided.
Peace, I am tired today,or would go more into this with you. Please know God loves you.
TastetheTeardrops 2 weeks ago
@TastetheTeardrops You see Jesus is not talking about Peter but his action. How does one come into the Christian Church in 50AD? How about Acts 2? What did Peter tell them to do to get into the Church?? Believe that Jesus is the Messiah the Son of the living God. No Peter as Pope, But Jesus as Lord. RCC teaching is missleading and not true.
MRGV7373 2 weeks ago
@MRGV7373 Yes, Peter spoke as one who had authority in Acts 2.
If not The Bishop of Rome, then who do I turn to to learn the Truth? What pastor of which church or denomination? Why would Jesus establish a Church with no one at the helm?
TastetheTeardrops 2 weeks ago
@MRGV7373 Matthew 28:18-20, "All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world."
TastetheTeardrops 2 weeks ago
It is interesting then, we are divided because? It sounds as if our beliefs are similar if not the same on Grace, Faith and Works. And im not Catholic. Is it necessary to follow Catholic Tradition to be saved? Must i pray to Mary, for intercession, or do you think that Jesus will Interceded for us non catholics? When scripture refers to salvation for all who believe, does it refer to all men In the Catholic Church or truly all men? Thanks
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer If in Christ Jesus, we find the new Adam, then does it not go without saying we find a new Eve as well? Eve was not stained with original sin. She took sin by disobedience. Mary as the New Eve, was preserved from original sin. She was always obedient to God. No, you need not pray the Rosary. Yet, if you look at the O.T. as a pre-shadowing of the N.T. you will see the reasons. Many of the queens of the O.T. were approached when a person wanted favor from the King.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer Many of the queens of the O.T. were the mothers of the Kings-not the brides. As the Kings mother,they would instruct the petitioner to do what the King commanded. The "imperfect" queens of the O.T. always pointed to their sons as the ruler. Mary still does this. In the O.T. it was the king who elevated his mother to the position of queenship, as Christ has done with His own mother. Whether it is necessary to pray to Mary is a personal decision.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer Jesus did not come to change the law, but to fulfill, and perfect the law. He is the perfect Adam. Eve must necessarily need a perfect counterpart to fulfill/perfect the law. As Eve is the mother of the human race, fallen to original sin,then so Mary the New mother who will lead us to righteousness >> her Son. There are many, many things in the O.T. that point to this.
I am not here to "disprove" other denominations, but to tell what I know of the Catholic faith. :)
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
We do it because we want to. Works are a testimony of faith. Not a means of salvation. Love comes from the heart not out of obligation
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer In many ways you are correct. Yet think of this. If we know to do right, and yet don't "feel" love, then it comes from a sense of "this is the right thing to do,even if I don't want to do this" Then is not that a commitment?
I have to keep typing in captcha's, so...... May you have a blessed evening, or day, or afternoon.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
So if you can loose your salvation then how can you love like Jesus. Did Jesus have to earn salvation? Is God a God of confusion?,
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer We can only love like Jesus by giving up self. He knew we would fail to do so much of the time. I would love to think that I am "saved" for good. And yet, that would be like telling a child that since they brought home good grades for the first part of school, that they need not strive anymore to keep up those good grades. The more they strive, and do their best, the better they get, or at the least, they are rewarded for their effort.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer God is not a God of confusion, we see the way he has placed order in the universe. We see His amazing love for us everywhere, even those in prison, in poverty, in bondage to illness or infirmities, we see Him in the hearts of those who suffer. We grow in love. We see, feel, or simply acknowlege His love for His creatures, and we respond to that. If we walk away from it, then He is faithful and just to forgive us. Even if we ask forgiveness selfishly.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
If love casts out fear, then salvation isn't works plus faith. Because we would perform works to remain saved for fear of being unsaved. Your arguement contradicts itself
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer Works are a response to faith. The reason it is said one should not boast of their works is because not all are capable of works. Think of the paraplegic who loves God with all his heart and soul, yet has no money, no way of physically helping another... he has no works to "show", yet would God count this against him? Of course not. Perhaps this person simply offers God all they possess within. A wealth of love, a devotion to prayer. But for those who can do works....
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
Works are testimony of faith then not works of salvation?,
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer "and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." Ones works are best when backed with faith, with love, with selflessness instead of pride. Yet love is not always a "feeling", it is a dedication, a commitment. If we Love God, we do the works because he has commanded us to do so. That is dedication. It also expresses our love.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
So then your saying that you already have salvation? Otherwise to extend love the way Jesus did would be impossible correct?
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer No, I am saying I am doing my best according to the grace God has provided me. Will I be saved on the last day? It is my prayerful hope, but it is also my prayerful hope that I will not ever take my Salvation for granted. And I have many times. We can love much like Jesus. Selflessly, unconditionally, for even He said "and greater works than these shall you you do" and yet in our limited temporal form we could not ever comprehend so great a love.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
But what does a Catholic have to lose if he doesn't love?
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer
Love is not self seeking, it does not seek the interest of self, but the interest of the other. When we look out only for our own welfare, love is often selfish. ("what do I get from this?" as opposed to "how does this benefit the other"?) We pray to grow in love that we may help others selflessly. It seems part of the human condition to fight against the selfishness of our flesh. And yet, it is beautifully and fully human to love. If we pray to love, it will come.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer Luke 11:11 And which of you, if he ask his father bread, will he give him a stone? or a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
And "perfect love casts out all fear", this, to me, means we will no longer fear what may happen to us, what may be done to us, what we may do without, but rather we will grow to love God and our fellow man more completely. Without love, to me, means we live in fear, so we lose peace of mind, we lose closeness to God. And yet....
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer
.... Love is perfected by obedience to God. It often does not come overnight, it is a slow whittling away of the selfish desires we have. It is something we struggle for, and can only attain with God's help.
I fail to love every single day. I pray to love every day. God's grace is sufficient for me. And for all.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
For what reason must a Catholic love?
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer Love is the greatest commandment of the law. For it is through love that we express in our small human way, the mercy of Our Lord.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer
Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
If the Catholic church is the church.....why has the Pope said Jews have salvation without Christ? No one will answer that, because although I AM aware the Catholic church was the first church, the reason for the separation came from the corruption within. REV 18:4 come out from her my people, lest ye be not partakers of her sins
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain The time is coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah." (Jer 31:31)
That is the official position of the Catholic Church and what the Pope expressed... He never said salvation without Christ.
stevesilvia 1 month ago
@stevesilvia DECLARES THE LORD (KEY WORDS) the pope is not the Lord!!!!!!!
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain Jesus was that new covenant. You will never convince me of the authority of the Catholic church, I was raised in catholic schools,I KNOW their beliefs, I have studied the TRUE history, not just the parts that were comfortable for me. I study Gods word so I can see the truth. You will never change my mind, I do pray for you!!! I once was you lol
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
I want to repost his comment by craventref, it is great! :Doing good deeds is the imitation of Christ's life on earth, who raised the dead, healed the crippled, and made the blind see. St. Paul says that there are three things that abide; faith, hope, and love, and THE GREATEST of these is LOVE, not faith (1 Corinthians 13:13).
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craventref 1 month ago
You aren't loving just merely trying to prove you are right so as to preserve your salvation. And if you aren't loving, then you aren't fufilling the law. And if you still require faith plus works for your salvation you condemn yourself
atomicprayer 1 month ago
Thanks for you opinion. I am a Christian though not Catholic. My obligation is to Christ not the Catholic church. Are you loving others now? Or are you using others salvation as a stepping stone for your own? That's the problem with not believing in grace alone, love is impossible if you aren't saved by grace alone.
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer
If you want me to step out of this (you or Mr. Silvia) I will without offense.
Please know, it is only by grace we can be saved. It is also by grace that we are able, and required to do works. How can we use another to further our own Salvation? Jesus said, "when I was hungry,you fed me, when I was naked,you clothed me, etc..." when asked "when did we do these things" Jesus answered. "when you did it to the least of one of these, you did it also unto me"
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops
Still, to do these works,is a requirement to those who can. Those who cannot receive just as much grace. This is why works alone cannot get one into Heaven. We should not boast of our works, for it is only by grace one can do those works. It is by grace alone. One cannot "use" another to further their salvation but one can do the works Christ calls us to do, and by obedience to His words we are hopeful to salvation.
Have a good night.
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@atomicprayer Doing good deeds is the imitation of Christ's life on earth, who raised the dead, healed the crippled, and made the blind see. St. Paul says that there are three things that abide; faith, hope, and love, and THE GREATEST of these is LOVE, not faith (1 Corinthians 13:13).
craventref 1 month ago
If God knows your heart, but you have to tell a priest, who has more power to forgive sins?
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer I am going to listen to the bible, and not you..."Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
KJV John 20:23 This is Jesus talking to those who were to spread the Gospel....
stevesilvia 1 month ago 3
@atomicprayer isn't it funny that Catholics think their church is the only way to salvation! People learn the real history, do your homework, throw away your television, stop being a drone and wake up!!!!! The catholic church contradicts the Bible, and if your faith doesn't come from the Bible..... where did they make it up from?????????
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain
There is nothing that these papists cannot twist. Better to follow Christ, and be sure of salvation.
Tommy5297 1 month ago
@Tommy5297 AMEN!!! God never changes! I cannot/ WILL NOT call another by the name of "father" !!!
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@atomicprayer
In The Mosaic Law, it was the priests, entrusted by God, who remitted the sins of the people. It wasn't because they could, it was because God did it through them. They were vessels.
Yes, God knows our hearts. He knows that we are healed and reconciled with Him when we confess our sins as He instructed us to do. We follow His laws. We take part in the healing sacraments He gave, that we might have life, and have it more abundantly.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
Mark 7, Read it for yourselves!!!! Also Mark 8:33
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer
Mark 8:33 "Who turning about and seeing his disciples, threatened Peter, saying: Go behind me, Satan, because thou savorest not the things that are of God, but that are of men." Jesus was letting Peter know that he, Peter, was allowing himself to be influenced by Satan. Many Christians are when they begin their walk. Later Jesus told Peter 3 times "feed my sheep". 3 is a number that verified the truth of a statement.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer
Matthew 16:18 "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
This statement is very clear. From the time of Peter there has been an Apostolic Succession.
Jesus told us to "do all they tell you to do, but be not like them". Often "teachers" will teach without following their own rules. The tenets of the Catholic faith are the only ones that need to be followed.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops
Do you know the Greek word that Christ used to speak to peter? He used the word petrus not petra. A little stone, a great stone. Do your homework and do not be confused.
Tommy5297 1 month ago
@Tommy5297
Thank you for your concern, truly.
Please refer to Matthew 16; 18, "and upon this rock, I will build My Church."
Further study into the gospels will show that Peter played a key role in determining many of the doctrines of The Early Church. Through discernment and theological debate.
May you have a peaceful evening.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer Often the Scribes and Pharisees would demand the most rigorous set of rules that were difficult for anyone to follow, while denying the greater matters of the law like Love and Mercy. This is shown in scripture Matthew 23:24
Blind guides, who strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Such blind guides can be found in any sect of Christianity. If one denies helping their elderly parents because they are commanded to give that money to the church instead, then....
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
Lets think about it people, why would a man not want you to interperet Scripture? To keep you in bondage, read it yourselves. Mark 7 is a good place to start.
atomicprayer 1 month ago
@atomicprayer
If I hand 3 children a math book, and tell them "figure it out the best you can" without them having any foundation or instruction, then all will come up with different answers and likely those answers will be far from the right one. If I give a child a math book, and an instructor who is learned in the subject, that child is more likely to grasp the subject and understand it better. We don't hand our children books and just expect them to learn on their own.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@atomicprayer
We give them teachers, we let them learn from those who've learned and know the subject well. The instructors are those who learned not just from books, but from those who taught them as well. The instructions, the way to do the math is something handed down from one generation to the next. It doesn't all come from just the book, but how "the book" has been interpreted for ages. Since math was first established. Having just the book, doesn't mean having answers.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@TastetheTeardrops we are told by Jesus to hear what others have to say, but to believe and trust only God. If the things being said or done go against God's Word you know it is not from Him, but someone disguised in light. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, and THAT is how we can trust HIM. Jesua did not come to change Gods laws, why did the Pope? I cannot follow any practices that differ from the Word of God. Jesus never baptised babies and gentiles are not bound to O.T Jewish laws
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain Peter explained what happens at baptism , "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). But he did not restrict this teaching to adults. "For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him" (2:39). "Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16).
stevesilvia 1 month ago
@stevesilvia infants are not consciously aware of sin or a need to repent or know Christ as their saviour. This is a choice we have to be aware we are making, it cannot be made for us, Jesus said the children belong to God. and none were sprinkled either. Jesus prayed to His heavenly Father not his earthly mother, and although Mary was blessed, she is not equal to God, neither she nor a priest can forgive sins! we are not called to follow tradition but God the Creator.
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain Since Paul and the first Christians baptized entire households, young and old, we do too...The Catholic Church is merely continuing the tradition established by the first Christians, who heeded the words of Christ: "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God" (Luke 18:16). Furthermore, the Bible never says, "Faith in Christ is necessary for salvation except for infants"; You must admit there is an exception for infants...
stevesilvia 1 month ago
@stevesilvia yes I do, so why are they sprinkled? The choice was already made by God that the children belong to Him, once they are old enough to choose for themselves they can choose to be born-again.
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain (Acts 16:15). The Philippian jailer whom Paul and Silas had converted to the faith was baptized that night along with his household. We are told that "the same hour of the night . . . he was baptized, with all his family" (Acts 16:33). And in his greetings to the Corinthians, Paul recalled that, "I did baptize also the household of Stephanas" (1 Cor. 1:16).
stevesilvia 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain
No, Thank God truly we are not bound by those laws, for they were too difficult for any man to follow. And the sacrifice of animals (a foreshadowing of The One True Lamb of God) was not enough to remit the sins of man. Jesus gave us a New and Everlasting Covenant, and is the Perfect Lamb of God. The Sacraments are those established by Jesus himself. They are not a burden, they give us strength, they call us to sanctifying grace. Please consider Steves comment
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
Thank you!!!
FactualAnonymity 1 month ago
So you tell me, have you read the Bible, or just bits and pieces or do you get your information from false profits and anti-Christs?
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain Your snide remark reveals much about you...I have read the bible. Your accusations about me is without merit. I wonder what other Christians will think of your example here?
stevesilvia 1 month ago 2
@stevesilvia snide remarks? I asked several questions none of which you answered! If you look to the scriptures and history the truth will be revealed to you too my friend! I speak out of love and concern for your soul! please take time to answer the questions!
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain If you don't understand. then that is your excuse... You stated "do you get your information from false profits and anti-Christs?" That is not a real question, that is a snide remark.... If you have a real question, with respect, just ask.
stevesilvia 1 month ago 2
@stevesilvia who gave the Pope the authority to call himself the head of the church? Jesus is the head of the church, who gave him the authority to change the Sabbath? who gave him the authority to forgive sins, or since when did we need someone to intercede for us? where does the rosary come from? why are infants sprinkled "baptised"? are babies old enough to choose Christ? why sprinkle? why not full immersion, its supposed to represent rebirth. If you can answer me with scripture to back it..
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain
With all due respect, I understand where you are coming from as I was once very anti-Catholic. I was convinced by trying to prove the Church wrong. Jesus himself handed on the Keys of the Kingdom to Saint Peter. (The first Pope) God did not establish His Church to be divided, but one Church. The Catholic Church traces back to the first Pope. Saint Peter. The Sabbath was established as the day of the Resurrection. Which makes sense if you think about it.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain
The Rosary is a meditative prayer in which we are drawn to reflect on Our Lord, His life, His teachings, His passion, His mercy. The words of the Rosary are drawn from Scripture. "Hail Mary, full of grace, etc.." We look at Our Lord's life through the eyes of Mary. Looking throught the eyes of a mother has a way of drawing us closer. Infants are "baptised" of original sin. The "baptism" is complete at Confirmation, when the person determines to follow Christ.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain
The initial part of baptism, seals the Child with The Holy Spirit, until they are old enough to decide for themselves and complete the baptism. There is scripture to back this practice. Many in those days first received The Holy Spirit, then were "confirmed" in the faith by the laying on of hands.
Think of the Pope as a modern Moses. Moses was a human entrusted to teach the children of Israel how to worship God. He was handed "the Keys" to the Kingdom then.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain
Also, the practice of Baptism of infants relates to the circumcision of Jewish infant boys. This was a dedication of the parents to raise their child in the faith. We are called to a circumcision of the heart. We dedicate our child to God when we have them baptised. They (hopefully) dedicate themselves at Confirmation. These are all signs and sacraments of faith. To strengthen us as individuals, and our whole family.
May you find the answers you seek. :)
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain lol... "If you look at history"?? I have... and for more than 1500 years...there was nothing but the Catholic Church....oh and a bunch of small heretic cults... that eventually died out!
6MemoryOfForever9 1 month ago
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HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
The roman catholic church has signed on to this new age religion and the pope has said that Jews have salvation without Jesus.
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
Watch John Wycliff the movie about the man who translated the Bible to english. Watch videos on the History of the vatican and roman catholic church. The roman emperors hid in the vatican when Greece invaded and they incorporated pagan rituals and symbols to appease everyone.
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
or add 5 Holy days to the calendar? Which goes against the 10 commandments? Why did the early catholic church kill Christians and try to keep the scriptures from being read by anyone other than the high priests?
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain
The early church? Or some of it's members? It is not Catholic doctrine to kill. Jesus instructed us to do all they tell us to do, but be not like them. This means often the teachers are not following their own teachings. Like a doctor who tells a patient to quit smoking but dies of lung cancer him/herself because they themselves smoke. They gave good advice, they simply didn't follow it themselves. The Bible was kept from the laypeople because....
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain
As history has shown, it was known that scripture would then be interpreted many different ways. The Church would become divided. The Body of Christ has divided many times since then. There used to be only One Church, One Body, now there are many according to......gee, the teachings of man, the many different interpretations of many men. Yet the inevitable had to happen.
If you look in Scripture, there were many Holy Days in the Mosaic Law. Not just the Sab.
TastetheTeardrops 1 month ago
Why does the pope consider himself to be the head of the church? The Bible teaches Christ is the head of the church and we who believe are the body. Why did the vatican change the Holy Sabbath day to Sunday?
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@stevesilvia do you confess your sins to a priest or do you pray to God through Jesus Christ? The Bible teaches that God knows our heart and hears our cries no matter where we are.
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
If your beliefs do not come from the scriptures, where are you getting your information from? I used to be roman catholic....until I read the Holy Bible and discovered for myself how corrupt it is!!!!!
HeatherBornAgain 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain I am Catholic because of what I read in the bible.
stevesilvia 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain I am Catholic because of what I read in the bible.
stevesilvia 1 month ago
@HeatherBornAgain I am Catholic because of what I read in the bible.
stevesilvia 1 month ago
I shall never declare more than one spirit, by giving a response 'And with your spirit'. Never shall I. It would hurt Jesus. One body, one Spirit in Him. Amen
BritishSnail 9 months ago
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Our Faith as catholics reats in Jesus Christ and the gates of hell (underworld) will never prevail. This is the Church that was founded by Jesus Christ. however, he says there are other sheep I have not told you about. He calls us Catholic to be the Good Shepherd and go find the lost, lame, oppressed, widowed and orphans and bring them My freedom. "Be Not afraid" When you open your hearts to God the only church you can be led to is theCatholic Church. disappointed in in humans don't shut hear
Mickeysteve49 1 year ago
Our Faith as catholics reats in Jesus Christ and the gates of hell (underworld) will never prevail. This is the Church that was founded by Jesus Christ. however, he says there are other sheep I have not told you about. He calls us Catholic to be the Good Shepherd and go find the lost, lame, oppressed, widowed and orphans and bring them My freedom. "Be Not afraid" When you open your hearts to God the only church you can be led to is the Catholic Church. disappointed in in humans don't shut heart
Mickeysteve49 1 year ago
Paul makes it clear and says "let me not restrain you" and that it isn't a commandment from God, but his own opinion. No reason why priests can't marry.
sarevor 1 year ago
@sarevor that is why it isn't a doctrine. There are married Priests *shocker*. A married man CAN become a Priest, but a Priest cannot become married. This is how the east does it as well as the west.
It is the norm in the west not to have priests that are also married, but it isn't something that doesn't exist.
It is the norm in the east to have priests that are also married, but unmarried Priests do exist and it is only unmarried Priests that become Bishops.
ESEME11 1 year ago
"But there are also many other things which Jesus did which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." - John 21:25
It is amazing that those heretics who profess sola scriptura would sooner trust a relative interpretation by individuals 1500 years after Christ then to accept the teachings of those who knew Him and His apostles; that is, the Catholic Church.
catholicpeter 1 year ago
2 Thessalonians 2:3
The Apostles Church, the early Church, the Catholic Church fell into apostasy.
OnTheRoadHome 1 year ago
Exodus 20:1-17 Psalm 111:7-8 Ezekiel 20:12,20 Isaiah 66:22-23 Matthew 5:17-18 Psalm 89:34
OnTheRoadHome 1 year ago
You mentioned 1 John 5:7 Do you have a Catholic Jerusalem Bible? If so, then look up this verse and read the FOOTNOTES and read for yourself that this verse is a spurious text. Someone who tried to force their views of the false trinity tried to make it creep into the Bible. Also do a google search on this verse and read the article on Wilkepedia This verse is recognized by many religions as falsely rendered. Also watch my video on the trinity which shows its false.
jwreligion 1 year ago
How many people did Jesus kill? How about the RCC? One True Church of one church who is full of ITSELF. It's gospel in about ITSELF. It lifts up ITSELF, no Christ Jesus. It puts Mary above Jesus. It is not the historic church, you can look to Antioch for that.
Constantine was in the east, not Rome.
What gospel are you preaching, you tell the world about you not about Jesus.
courag1 1 year ago
@courag1, I think you're upset on about things you have been lied to about. If you have a question, just ask...
stevesilvia 1 year ago
@stevesilvia During WWII the RCC perpetrated a holocaust itself against Serbs and Croats, they supported Hitler who killed how many? This isn't even a century ago. Nearly every post on YouTube by Catholics is "One True Church". This cannot be Jesus' church. He came to kill, he did not come to slaughter. He is coming again and his message to the people of this church is to come out of her lest you share in her plagues.
To have Jesus in your heart is the best thing. To have a real relationship!
courag1 1 year ago
@stevesilvia The Catholic Church has covered up the killing of scientists, all in inquisitions, the religious wars, St. Bartholmew's Eve massacre. The helped the Nazis.
What more do you need, I could go on and on but what difference does it make. There is plenty of proof, you just want to have a Catholic source. It is like expecting the Mafia to come clean.
Have you never read Fawkes' Book of Martyrs?
The RCC encourages illegal immigration in the US. Last time I looked, that is illegal.
courag1 9 months ago
@courag1 your reply borders on anti catholic gossip. If you can prove that the Catholic Church helped the nazis, or that the Catholic Church encourages illegal immigration, then your gossip will deserve our attention... If you can't stick to the topic, that I am giving you here, then please don't reply back....Most protestants just jump to other anti catholic gossip, instead of being honest, and answering the question at hand... I await your reply....
stevesilvia 9 months ago
@stevesilvia Someday when you stand before God, He can ask you about anti-Catholic gossip and He will tell you that to the extent you did this to the least of these His brethren, you did it unto Him.
I am not going to hold your hand, you are capable of looking up holocausts, you are capable of looking up what the Vatican stole after WWII.
Your church is not the means of salvation, Jesus is. Decide whose side you are on. His way or another way. You kiss the koran too?
courag1 9 months ago
@courag1
"I am not going to hold your hand, you are capable of looking up holocausts, you are capable of looking up what the Vatican stole after WWII."
Oh really ? If you are not lying - please list atleast one thing the Catholic Church stole.
"Your church is not the means of salvation, Jesus is"
Well you speak as if according to Catholics the Church and Jesus are competing means to Salvation. Your fallible incorrect private opinion boss - and not what Catholics believe. Wake up man.
MrJamesthecatholic 6 months ago
@courag1 Jesus started the ROman Catholic church (Matt 16) and his teachings in the gospel are in the church . The only reason you even have a gospel in your hands to read is because then CAtholic church made that possible in 393 AD the council of Hippo made the decisions on this matter . Christ gave them authority to do so (MAtt 18) . The Pope promotes peace that is his job. He knows the Quran is false but he knows that the Muslims worship the God of Abraham as well.
CAtholic29 6 months ago
@CAtholic29 Then why did the pope take on the name of the caesars? He is Pontifex Maximus, same as the caesars. Do you suppose that when you change the day of worship that you are declaring that it is because you have more authority than God because that is what your church says. When you worship on Saturday, then you declare that the God you worship is the creator, God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. On Sunday you declare that the pope is your God.
courag1 5 months ago
@courag1 Jesus is the Church as described in the bible....
stevesilvia 6 months ago
@courag1
"The RCC encourages illegal immigration in the US."
Show us the Catholic document which encourages illegal immigration to the US. If you cannot show one - stop lying.
MrJamesthecatholic 6 months ago
@courag1 what you are talking makes no sense
williemetoyer23 1 year ago
@williemetoyer23 Look up the Serbian holocaust. It is on YouTube. Rome is into covere-up . They also know that most people are lazy, so long as nothing has happened to them, they will go around saying the RCC is the ONE TRUE CHURCH. These people have never studied history, real history is gleaned from reading also the dissenting opinion. The SCOTUS keeps a record. We can never know everything which has happened in the world, but people who are wise, also know this, they go and check facts.
courag1 1 year ago
@courag1 i looked up the serbien holicost but did not get anything about the church could you give mea specific name of the video that discusses this
williemetoyer23 1 year ago
@courag1 I studied history and became Catholic, so are you saying that my life story is a lie?
ESEME11 1 year ago
@ESEME11 Your life is no more a lie than people who convert to Islam even though they know it is barbarism. Just because the gladiators don't fight in the Coliseum does not mean that hatred does not pump in the veins to over ride the intellect.
The selling of indulgences just makes the church rich, it isn't true and will never be true.
The only thing we can possibly stand on is Jesus. The popes have frequently been full of corruption. To ignore this is to believe in magic. Poof, he's holy.
courag1 11 months ago
@courag1 Guess what, the Church doesn't sell indulgences, yup that's right, I checked and then converted.
The Church isn't for the sinless, it's for the sinful, and the Church shows the sinful the path to righteousness. The Church does and will always teach the TRUTH, whether you like it or not.
As for hatred being pumped in the vein to override the intellect, DITTO, look at what you're writing and tell me that hatred has not clouded ur judgment.
ESEME11 11 months ago
@ESEME11 You know, you are right, they send the poor schmucks with the prayer cards they buy from the church & have local print shops print them up & then they go into an envelope with money & there is the indulgence. It doesn't matter that what in essence you are told is not true. They care about the money and you not going elsewhere. They couldn't do this unless they had convinced you that the grace of God is sufficient to cover your sins. You have a supermarket of who else to trust w/ RCC.
courag1 10 months ago
@courag1 more gossip from protestants......How sad.....If you want to know the truth, just ask. I said this to you a month ago, and everybody knows now you don't want to know, you don't want to ask. All you want to do is bash that which you don't understand. That is not Christanity.....I don't think anyone wants to listen to your gossip anymore.....Just sounds like noise.
stevesilvia 10 months ago
@courag1 No one convinced me but God. Who is they? Where are they? In a room? Do you see them there? Is that what you were told by someone who heard from someone, that 'they' put things into people's head? How did they put into my head? they kidnapped me and locked me in a room and drilled it into me until I became a zombie? Look present your case intelligently and I will listen to you ok?
ESEME11 9 months ago
@ESEME11 Do you know why I am not Catholic? Did the Catholic Church stop the Turks when they killed the Armenians? No. Did they stop Hitler? Bonhoeffer tried, the RCC helped by collecting booty. That is not a church, that is a business. That is Mafia.
If what you pray to and give you money to helps support a Church which isn't godly, you can pray to God without all that and give the money to the poor where it is needed.
How many gold vestments does one pope need?
courag1 9 months ago
@courag1
Do you know why I am not Catholic? Did the Catholic Church stop the Turks when they killed the Armenians? "No".
Do you even know how idiotic that sounds ? Did your religion stop that ? Did your religion even exist at that time ?
" Did they stop Hitler?"
So according to your private opinion - the Church which Jesus found should have stopped Hitler.. Did your religion do that ? If not - why are you still in that religion - as per your own reasoning ?
MrJamesthecatholic 6 months ago
@ESEME11 I'm saying you have not studied except that what you read was written by the one who was propagandizing you.
You are totally demoralized.
courag1 10 months ago
@courag1 And I'm saying you're not reading what I wrote. I researched, I converted, simple. I realized lies like what you're spewing is just that lies. I know you really want to believe it's propaganda but it's not. I'm highly educated and don't need anyone to tell me this that and that. In this day and age I can discover for myself and I did. Now you should go discover instead of running to the consolation of websites or books to make yourself feel better.
ESEME11 9 months ago
@williemetoyer23 There is no conversation with God, then there is no relationship with God. You have every other path you are supposed to go to: the saints, the priest, pray to the pope, pray to Mary. By the time you get through the Rosary, if you work, what else is there time for?
Asking Jesus in your heart is not to spend the rest of your life ignoring Him, or pretending the host bread becomes Jesus actual flesh.
What a person believes is supposed to be based on scripture.
courag1 9 months ago
@courag1 how does the church not speak about jesus
williemetoyer23 1 year ago
@courag1 Your comments are sad. I'm not sure what you've been told. I would advise much more "asking searching and knocking"...the world is keeping you away from his Holy Church where the most intimate reality of Christ's presence lies. God Bless you.
SeriousVoyager 1 year ago
@courag1, please tell us....How many does he have??
stevesilvia 9 months ago
amazing video thank you
AndersonScott50 1 year ago
In the early Church, as is still followed in the Orthodox Church, baptism by full immersion, Holy Communion, with wine and "leavened " bread, and a married priesthood.All these were changed in the Catholic Church. Innovations by Rome, immaculate conception, purgatory, the addition of the Filioque (refuting the decisions of the Second & Third Ecumenical Councils),disregarding the First Ecumenical Council on the celebration of Easter (should be after the Jewish Passover) and Papal infallibility.
vasilyjc1955 1 year ago
Episcopalian and Anglican Church is the same; both are members of the Anglican Church. According to themselves the Church was founded in year 33..and that is also the case of the Lutheran churches of Sweden and Finland. Christianus mihi nomen est, catholicus cognomen
karpov89 1 year ago
@ Stevesilvia Ah, but you are mistaken, because belief is ALWAYS a prerequisite to baptism. If an infant can believe with all their heart that Jesus is the son of God, let them be baptized, but never before. A newborn baby does not possess that capacity. Furthermore, all of the texts that mention household mentioned belief, thus nullifying your argument for the baptism of newborns.
bwmnstar7 1 year ago
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Nice video. Thank you,
God bless the Church !!
God bless Pope Benedict XVI !!
CaliforniaCatholic 1 year ago 3
With Orthodox Christians, Lutheran Christians believe that the Holy Spirit has continued an unbroken line of teachers and teaching to preserve the pure, holy and live saving Gospel, far above the Scriptures. What Lutheran say is: Nothing outside of what Scripture teaches can be COMMANDED of Christian people. Our Orthodox brethern agree.
john62718hd 2 years ago
@john62718hd LOL. Orthodox have far more in common with Catholic than Lutherans: Seven Sacraments, the Mass, Marian Doctrines, Confession to a Priest, the Eucharist.... ...Orthodox do NOT recognize any Apostolic Succession within Lutheranism. You are out of you gord.
CaliforniaCatholic 1 year ago
You have a very poor argument I might add.
bwmnstar7 2 years ago
Really, then why did Jesus come up out of the water when he was baptized. Why did John the Baptist baptize in the Jordan, because "there was much water there. Why did the Ethiopian eunuch come up OUT of the water in Acts 8??
bwmnstar7 2 years ago
F'irstly, the jailer and his family in Acts 16. It states in verse 34. "He was filled with joy because he had come to BELIEVE in God-he and all his family. The key word is believe, of which a baby cannot do. Therefore it must be concluded that they were of age to believe, thus nullifying your argument.
bwmnstar7 2 years ago
Secondly, all of the biblical accounts of baptism follow belief in Christ. Acts 2:38, Acts 8 (the eunuch), Acts 9 (Paul's conversion). Thirdly the greek word for baptism (Baptiso) means to immerse, to be completely submerged, as in a burial. Sprinkling, is not even a real baptism, another tradition that the Catholic church has made up. As far as Lydia, she goes on to say that "if you consider me a believer in the Lord, which again, necessitates that her family were able to believe as well.
bwmnstar7 2 years ago
When Jesus says to let the little children come to him, one can be no means infer that this means that children should be baptized. Jesus was simply criticizing the disciples because they were trying to hinder the children from approaching him to interact with him. This, too, is not a valid argument.
bwmnstar7 2 years ago
I hold to the belief that babies are born innocent until they know good from evil and can support this with biblical verses if need be.
bwmnstar7 2 years ago
Besides this fact, every other time the Bible mentions household, they have the capacity to believe. Examples Acts 16- He and ALL his family believed.
Acts 11:14 He will bring you a message through which you and your household will be the saved.
Acts 18:8: Crispus the synagogue ruler, and his entire household BELIEVED in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him BELIEVED and were baptized. If you are going to throw out verses about households, we examine every instance.
bwmnstar7 2 years ago
@bwmnstar7: What do you mean a baby can't believe? I have to wonder if you have any children. If you do have children & gave a moments thought to what you are saying you'd be embarrassed for your absurdities. Every time a crying unhappy baby is taken up in the arms of his mother & he ceases to cry begins to smile & laugh, he believes. More importantly he loves. To know God's grace is to know God's love. Any parent knows his or her baby loves them. How much more so for God's infinite love.
VictorLepanto 2 years ago