hella efkaristoYou left us orphans, but we could not get used. Do not forget we do not forget.never. brotherhood brotherhood of two nations get songs. hella efkaristo
There is a modern Greek version of this song by Savina Yannatou which is called "Ta Matakia Sou Ta Mavra" recorded in 1997 on the album "Melodies tis Anatolis" - I can't find this anywhere on mp3 or the CD - does anyone have this? Thanks :)
what a timeless song! a testament to a different world, it gives you goose-bumps just listening to it. it stirs the soul and sends the heart sailing into oblivion!... thank you very much for sharing this...
I have found the translation of the Greek words to this song but could someone please provide the Turkish/English translation to the words sung by Erhan Alptekin (may he RIP)...
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The only problem with that is that it's not true. We were never friends. Turks were the aggressors, we the victims. No apology, no effort to make make reparations, not even so much as cognizance of this fact has been forthcoming from Turks. From my experience, offers of friendship from turks seem to hinge on some sort of expectation of a right to live among us, in our lands, and to practise their religion and way of life undisturbed in our lands. That's not a strong basis for friendship.
first of all no,cause occupation is when you take someone elses territorium.Greek took at the begging unihabitant parts of minor asia.A typical area is "ionia"and the ionian tribe that had plenty of contacts with people to the east made that almost all eastern people called us "ionan","yuan","yunan"etc.
Furthermore the term "anatolia" that derives from the greek wrd "anatolì"(=east)made a mixture of culture that people-no matter ethnicity-took and gave cultural elements to each other WITHOUT being forced to this.Thats why we coexisted friendly until the mongolian occupation of minor asia.Historically there are no genocides as these that the ottoman empire or even worse Mustafa Kemal did.
More we accepted and still do the origin of cultural elements of the other ethicities,something that defenatelly did not the turkic people.I am willing to discuss forward this theme with you in peacefull an friendly level,in order to proove all the things i earlier mentioned.
What a beatiful voice. Lizeta has probably one of the best voice in Turkey and Greece. Her voice looks like Eftalya from Istanbul but probably better. Hello to Greece
The thing I like about greek;s way of making traditional music is that they really perform it in an ethnic way..Unfortunately turks are not as good at this issue..this is one example..this song is played in turkey too but this interpretation is the best I have ever seen..We are waiting Lizeta back in Melbourne again..hopefully..
I think it is fair to say it is both an Ottoman song and a song of the dodacanese islands. It is one of the tunes that is shared by many of the cultures of the Mediterranean. It's composer is unknown. Who knows the nationality of the author. I don't think it matters.
mou aresei kadifis poly!!!wraia tragoudia!kai tourkika onoma tis tragoudia einai ''kadifeden kesesi''..that shows our common cultures about music,food and dances etc..by the way my uncle's wife is from Crete-Kriti-Girit too and she speaks Greek very well kai milaw ligo.giagia mou einai apo tis thessaloniki!adios apo smyrni!!
Andoniss. Firstly, I am not Cretan. Secondly, the bravery of otherways of our forebears has got nothing whatever to do with my right to critisize your bigotry.
andoniss, you made the comment,'Sorry to say but turks are descendants of Mongolia' I took exception to the implication, and said that you were probably a ignorant and racist. If you are not I apologise and respectfully suggest that you express yourself a little more tactfully.I think many people reading your comment would have come to the same conclusion.
yarim yolla beyoğluna yolla......i love this song!we have lots of common songs!u know rembetiko's real story?afto einai oraia tragudi!also sung by candan ercetin(turkish singer)eimai apo tin smyrni and love your videos,wanna be friends,file?send me a message!s'euxaristw!ta leme! note:as u see and understand,sonicblunt knows nothing about anatolian culture!
mhhh but arabs and turks did develop the culture and music mostly from persians! especially the turks r a blend of greeks and persians! MAINLY! what did the turks or early turks such as mongols had before they conquered the greek people in the asian minor?! the oud for example is not from arab descent! probably it was invented by plato many years before christus appeared or by the persians in a similar time period!
Andoniss, it is true that many Turks are descendant from the Mongols. So what? I resent the implication that these origins are to be apologized for. I think you are a probably ignorant and a rascist.
I just presented a fact that I learned!, Now your accusing me of being an ingnorant and a racist person. how mature of you sarantakis! Is this how you treat the rest of your fellow Kritiki? accusing them of certain false characteristics?
Here are ancestors fought hand and hand for Crete and Greece. Risks their lives because of their courage and bravery and here you treat me like this? I cant believe you. Why do you even bother bearing the name sarantakis. The name itself is WAY too good for you!
..the basis to create a great culture is always an exchange of knowledge.if there wouldnt be this,there wouldnt be that and if there wouldnt be that then there wouldnt be this...you see what i want to say is that turks,greeks,arabs,persians....share together probably the greatest cultural heritage of the world. it is the region and the mixture that creates culture and not one tiny people
....Countries with a great history,such as greece or persia claim most of the culture in the eastern mediterranean and middle east as their culture,which is redicoulous if you think of the hundreds of other people that where living or still live in this region.
to my mind this is a quite silly discussion,there is no this is turkisch,this arabic or this is greek or whatever,there is only the great oriental culture,which was always a meltin pot of influences,beginning on the balcans and ending in india or even further east.
And the chinese, indian and arab cultures are older than the greek or persian cultures. And you can also see tambour etc. in chinese music...And there are also dance-styles like belly-dancing and zeybek in india, china, indonesia etc., but it doesn't mean, that it comes from this part of the world...Belly dancing is a egypt dance and zeybek is a turkish dance (you can see it in turkmenistan too). I learnt all these during my orientalism study in the several universities in europe...
The civilization of the humanity was arised in Mesopotamia...The old greeks occupied many countries (troja, hitith, egypt, persia etc.) and they learnt a lot from them and they were influenced by the cultures of the orient...I learnt at the university, that most of the music instruments of the old greeks came from orient and after they brought them to the old greece...So read the history and more info please...
Whatever, there was a misunderstanding I'm sure....just forget who owns what and what originated from where for a second.
I'm quite thrilled by the working of exceptionally talented Greeks and Turks together to perform a song which may have originated from one place, but is equally indigenous to many different countries.
Bravo Hector, was a pleasure performing with you guys the other night! teşekürler, Erhan baba!
I am an Bosnian and i wanted to tell you, that this song is very known in whole balkan, kirim, russia etc. This is an old ottoman song and not a greek song. I cant understand your "turk-complex". Many countries (the whole Balkan, Kirim, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, India, the Arab world etc.) don't deny the Turkish influence on their culture, but you do it, why??? Todays Turkish music is firstly influenced by the turk (turkmen) music, then Arab and Persian and then a little bit byzanz...
I love Turkish music and have many Turkish friends.I don't believe I have a 'Turk-complex'.I recognise that this and many other tunes may have originated in Turkey.I am of the opinion that the bouzouki however, did not come to the Greeks from the Turks. The Greeks having played such instruments long before coming into contact with Turks.
I am an Bosnian and i wanted to tell you, that this song is very known in whole balkan, kirim, russia etc. This is an old ottoman song and not a greek song. I cant understand your "turk-complex". Many countries (the whole Balkan, Kirim, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, India, the Arab world etc.) don't deny the Turkish influence on their culture, but you do it, why??? Todays Turkish music is firstly influenced by the turk (turkmen) music, then Arab and Persian and then a little bit byzanz...
You believe everthing comes from greeks. Do you deny the arabian, turkish and persian influence on your culture?? You can not say that everthing comes from greeks. Saz, oud, darbuka, tambour etc. are the intruments of arabs and turks. And we are also cooking in spain halva, börek, kofte etc., are they greek too or arabian and turkish?? Culture means to give and to take. So good luck and i will never send more comments:-)
Not at all!I said that these instrument probably originated with the Persians.I do not deny many influences on Greek culture.I do not think it correct to say the bouzouki comes from the Turks because the Greeks played similar instrument long before they had any contact with them.Don't be upset we are only discussing.
nobody can deny the arabian and turkish influence on european culture. I know a lot about the intruments of the orients. Turks have a long music traditions, many music intruments come from the turks in central asia. And iran is a land with a big turkish influence too; 35% of iranians are azeri turks. As a spanish musician i respect arabs and turks, europeans learnt a lot from them. I hope different people can live together in peace...
Once again I have great respect for Turkish people and culture. The Seljuk Turks invaded Anatolia in the 11C. The Ancient Greeks had long necked stringed instuments such as the pandoura, tamboura and trichordo up to 16 centuries before in 500 BC.(They probably originated in Persia). Despite Christianity, these instuments continue to appear in paintings through till 10C and after. I ask you. Is it fair to say the bouzouki comes from the Turks?
hello my friend, i studied a long time the instruments of arabs, turks and moslem persians. The most musicians are the opinion, that bouzouki comes from the turkish "saz". You can see toumboura also in uygur, usbek or chinese music and they have them since thousands of years. I didn´t want attack any culture, i only wanted to say, that muslims (arabs, turks...) gave (christian) european culture a lot. Best wishes (i hope this discussion is ending here, than i have to work a lot :-))
Many Greeks too have the same view as you.They beleive that this type of music and instruments are Turkish in origin.This music was banned in 1936 for this reason.These scales,rhythms and instruments have been used by Greeks for thousands of years.Hundreds of years before Islam and Christianity.Just because 'most musicians' believe something does not make it correct.U should also be careful in placing 'Muslim' people together.Persian and Turkish influence and history are very different.g luck:)
i am a spanish musician and i teach music in several universities.We christians should not deny the arabian, turkish and persian influence on the european culture. We learnt a lot from them(in science, architecture, music,kitchen etc.). You know spanish guitar comes from arabs and greek bouziki comes from turks :-)
I appreciate your good sentiment. However, the bouzouki is not from the Turks. It is from the family of tambouras, long neck stringed instrument that predates the Turks by many centuries. The ancient Greeks and Persians are resposable for the scales we use. During the Ottoman Empire the music art form reached a very high level of sophistication and they made it their own, but they did not create it.
You should take in account the byzantine - ancient greek tradition as well, there are many citations of "women provocating dance" called kordax(tsifteteli?) or men "lonely" dance (zeimbekiko?) Don't confuse the onomatology with the origins and bear in mind that the ancient Greeks had already referred to most of the modes...I'm not writing out of nationalistic feelings but we shall not go on the other edge just to show that we are more "open-minded"!!!
hocam sesine ve elline salik seni cok ozledik taleben ve piyanistin murat gokkaya
TheMuratG 7 months ago
is it possible not to cry?
aram34 10 months ago
it's not nice to say that this song is turkish or greek it's better to say it's shared culture..
petros1324 11 months ago
excellent up sarantakis nase kala great music/video afto ine melody os gia to 1 thumb down mipos ihe tin othoni anapoda...heretismata apo canada
Ouzotime 1 year ago
We enjoy the same melodies. Great...
hkart 1 year ago
anatrihila
dvergo 1 year ago
nice song ..good to see Turks and greeks together ..forever peace .. no political shit in this world..
DarkAges1000 2 years ago 3
geia sou lizeta!!!!
ledamelissa 2 years ago
hella efkaristoYou left us orphans, but we could not get used. Do not forget we do not forget.never. brotherhood brotherhood of two nations get songs. hella efkaristo
bigbaro 2 years ago
You left us orphans
bigbaro 2 years ago
There is a modern Greek version of this song by Savina Yannatou which is called "Ta Matakia Sou Ta Mavra" recorded in 1997 on the album "Melodies tis Anatolis" - I can't find this anywhere on mp3 or the CD - does anyone have this? Thanks :)
PebbledBeach 2 years ago
grecoarabian-surian music from the middle ages ,,,
saltadoros08 2 years ago
Brawo!
Kaloooooo!:))))))))))))
petrichanin 2 years ago
Beautiful!! I found out recently that there is also a Cypriot version also, so it seems that it was a very popular tune back in the day..lol
ellethebelle 2 years ago 2
oxxxxxxx
athanasios88 3 years ago 3
Topragin bol olsun Erhan Abi...aramizdan ayrildin,uzdun bizi...
aram34 3 years ago 3
what a timeless song! a testament to a different world, it gives you goose-bumps just listening to it. it stirs the soul and sends the heart sailing into oblivion!... thank you very much for sharing this...
I have found the translation of the Greek words to this song but could someone please provide the Turkish/English translation to the words sung by Erhan Alptekin (may he RIP)...
many thanks
PebbledBeach 3 years ago 5
amazing.
can anyone please suggest more songs like this one ?
StrawberryFrog0 3 years ago
Kadifeden kesesi aman kahveden gelir sesi
Oturmuş kumar oynar ah ciğerimin
Aman cigerimin köşesi
Greeting Neighbours
stajyersadist 3 years ago 4
R.I.P Erhan
sarantakis 3 years ago
nice!
PhilosopherFresh 3 years ago 3
Thanks honey, We Turks like you really.
alice19791977 3 years ago 5
same people of the same sea...
we should immediately stop taking a role in an imperialist scenery written by english...
we were friends, we should be friends forver...
regards from Mardin, Turkiye
rasitsimsek 3 years ago 10
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The only problem with that is that it's not true. We were never friends. Turks were the aggressors, we the victims. No apology, no effort to make make reparations, not even so much as cognizance of this fact has been forthcoming from Turks. From my experience, offers of friendship from turks seem to hinge on some sort of expectation of a right to live among us, in our lands, and to practise their religion and way of life undisturbed in our lands. That's not a strong basis for friendship.
spect8or 3 years ago
ax bre ellada makari umoun sthn peira twra me tous xeretismous apo thn agkura ........ se olous perimenw sthn agkura ..
nerokrasi 3 years ago
kalispera!
ise ellinas/ellinida ì tourkos/tourkala?
dertilis
dertilis 3 years ago
merhaba sarantakis.
teşekkürler. çok çok güzel.
feregliay 3 years ago
Splendid!
Thavmasio!
parrhasius 3 years ago
Haydi vre :) egeden selamlar karsı kıyıdan ;)
aslanonur 4 years ago
Halki'den.. pera'dan selamlar...
pera-da doğdum Halki'de yaşarım...
dünyaya kozmopolit bakarım...
ey be ağzınıza sağlık..
Halki-ye herkesi beklerim..
Kasimpasalii 4 years ago
evt bzm muzikleri calmışalr!
apacheman17 4 years ago
gamatoo video :D
qiqolo 4 years ago
aramızda hiçbir sınır olmadığını gösteren bir durum..Selamlar ve sevgiler Yunanistan,Egenin diğer kıyısından...
A sitatution what shows there is no boundary between us.. greetings and cheers to Greece from other side of Aegean :)
Carbioneri 4 years ago 3
for Greek and Turkish friendship
We can make it, lets ignore politics......
bluecity1 4 years ago 2
thanks for support ;)
Carbioneri 4 years ago
the problem with politics startes with the turkish occupation of minor Asia!
dertilis 3 years ago
dertilis, didnt you greeks occupy anatolia too??
dont forget: oldest inhabitants of anatolia are sumerians, hitities and asyrians ...
anatolia was the homeland for so many civilizations; for this reason, you can see today in turkey 44 different etnic groups...
this song is an ottoman song; you can see it in kirim, azerbaijan, balkan, arabic countries etc.
turkishgirl83 3 years ago 2
hi turkishgirl83!
first of all no,cause occupation is when you take someone elses territorium.Greek took at the begging unihabitant parts of minor asia.A typical area is "ionia"and the ionian tribe that had plenty of contacts with people to the east made that almost all eastern people called us "ionan","yuan","yunan"etc.
dertilis 3 years ago
Furthermore the term "anatolia" that derives from the greek wrd "anatolì"(=east)made a mixture of culture that people-no matter ethnicity-took and gave cultural elements to each other WITHOUT being forced to this.Thats why we coexisted friendly until the mongolian occupation of minor asia.Historically there are no genocides as these that the ottoman empire or even worse Mustafa Kemal did.
dertilis 3 years ago
More we accepted and still do the origin of cultural elements of the other ethicities,something that defenatelly did not the turkic people.I am willing to discuss forward this theme with you in peacefull an friendly level,in order to proove all the things i earlier mentioned.
Have a nice day,
dertilis
dertilis 3 years ago 3
aman tha kopso tis fleves kripste ta macheria.
Ellinas2007 4 years ago
What a beatiful voice. Lizeta has probably one of the best voice in Turkey and Greece. Her voice looks like Eftalya from Istanbul but probably better. Hello to Greece
louispigott4 4 years ago 2
ωραιο/cok guzel ;)
hragelop 4 years ago
gerçekten süper.bu türk müziğidir çok eskidir.türkçe beklerken yunanca çıktı :)
meliksah2323 4 years ago
Turkish name is '' Kadifeden Kesesi ''
Bravo Komşu ! μπράβο γείτονας ! :D
Greetings from Izmir/Turkey
graphytube 4 years ago 2
orea:)) lovely. turkish and greek tradational song. we are lucky, we have a lots song.
gazel(lyric words): Rakım Elkutlu (1869-1948)
He was born in İzmir.(Smirni)
gemicidis 4 years ago 2
This is a southeast european song. Everyone has their version, but it doeasn't change the melody, because you'll lose the beaty of the song.
shkyper7 4 years ago 2
The thing I like about greek;s way of making traditional music is that they really perform it in an ethnic way..Unfortunately turks are not as good at this issue..this is one example..this song is played in turkey too but this interpretation is the best I have ever seen..We are waiting Lizeta back in Melbourne again..hopefully..
aram34 4 years ago 4
this is song of both turkish and greek. this is indicator of the common aegean culture =)
we are friends.
Primuspilus 4 years ago 5
ben sizi kadifeden kesemle döverim beee!! basbaya türk şarkısı işte bu !
elista58 4 years ago
di ganis? gala ine :))? güzel olmus tebrikler
karadenizli80 4 years ago 2
aman yollar istanbula yollar....
burak041187 4 years ago 2
this song is so famous in turkey, aserbaijan, lebanon, syria, kirim, iran, bosnia, albania, bulgaria, serbia, greece etc...A real ottoman song....
burcutrabzon 4 years ago
this is not an ottoman song...its a song of the greek dodecanese islands
zitohellas 4 years ago
I think it is fair to say it is both an Ottoman song and a song of the dodacanese islands. It is one of the tunes that is shared by many of the cultures of the Mediterranean. It's composer is unknown. Who knows the nationality of the author. I don't think it matters.
sarantakis 4 years ago
Fair enough...it would be more accurate, then, to call it an eastern mediterranean song given the association of the word ottoman and turkey
zitohellas 4 years ago
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greeks are descendants of Mesopotamians
sexdrugsRnR 4 years ago
kadifeden kesesiiiii
kahveden gelir sesiiii
oturmuş kumar oynarrrrr
ciğerimin köşesiiiii
ya bu rumlar süs gibi millet kalsalardı ne güzel olurdu buralar bea
piyade1 4 years ago
mou aresei kadifis poly!!!wraia tragoudia!kai tourkika onoma tis tragoudia einai ''kadifeden kesesi''..that shows our common cultures about music,food and dances etc..by the way my uncle's wife is from Crete-Kriti-Girit too and she speaks Greek very well kai milaw ligo.giagia mou einai apo tis thessaloniki!adios apo smyrni!!
mparmparos 4 years ago 2
Is it true "old times good times"?
ADAMPAPADAM 4 years ago
nice video wrong comments...
thx for share
ahagecekondu 4 years ago
πολυ ωραια και προσεγμενη εκτελεση.
hragelop 4 years ago
sam people of the same sea...
what is this anger, fight, argument for?
lets sing & dance...
merhaba....
rasitsimsek 4 years ago 2
I think Lizeta has the best voice among Greek women singers..i really like her voice..
aram34 4 years ago
Mr Andoniss:
1- I am a turk
2- My father was born in Crete
3- I think that I am not a descendant from Mongolia
4- Let's say Turks are descendants from Mongolia. What will change? I do not have a problem with them. Do you?
5- Let's watch this beautiful video 'Kadifes' or 'kadifeden kesesi - in Turkish' and enjoy together...
yanacak 4 years ago 10
Andoniss. Firstly, I am not Cretan. Secondly, the bravery of otherways of our forebears has got nothing whatever to do with my right to critisize your bigotry.
sarantakis 4 years ago
what bigotry I might ask?
andoniss 4 years ago
and second of all what right do have to call me a racist?
andoniss 4 years ago
andoniss, you made the comment,'Sorry to say but turks are descendants of Mongolia' I took exception to the implication, and said that you were probably a ignorant and racist. If you are not I apologise and respectfully suggest that you express yourself a little more tactfully.I think many people reading your comment would have come to the same conclusion.
sarantakis 4 years ago
super,helal olsun
fubuna 4 years ago
yarim yolla beyoğluna yolla......i love this song!we have lots of common songs!u know rembetiko's real story?afto einai oraia tragudi!also sung by candan ercetin(turkish singer)eimai apo tin smyrni and love your videos,wanna be friends,file?send me a message!s'euxaristw!ta leme! note:as u see and understand,sonicblunt knows nothing about anatolian culture!
mparmparos 4 years ago
superb performance, real Anatolian music.
We demand peaceful talks between two sides of Aegean Sea.
alikimi4 4 years ago 2
mhhh but arabs and turks did develop the culture and music mostly from persians! especially the turks r a blend of greeks and persians! MAINLY! what did the turks or early turks such as mongols had before they conquered the greek people in the asian minor?! the oud for example is not from arab descent! probably it was invented by plato many years before christus appeared or by the persians in a similar time period!
SonicBlunt 4 years ago
Greeks and Turks are brothers, we are descendants of Anatolia...
errtt 4 years ago 2
Sorry to say but turks are descendents of Mongolia.
andoniss 4 years ago
Andoniss, it is true that many Turks are descendant from the Mongols. So what? I resent the implication that these origins are to be apologized for. I think you are a probably ignorant and a rascist.
sarantakis 4 years ago
I just presented a fact that I learned!, Now your accusing me of being an ingnorant and a racist person. how mature of you sarantakis! Is this how you treat the rest of your fellow Kritiki? accusing them of certain false characteristics?
andoniss 4 years ago
Why are you 'sorry' many Turks are descendant from the Mongols?
sarantakis 4 years ago
Here are ancestors fought hand and hand for Crete and Greece. Risks their lives because of their courage and bravery and here you treat me like this? I cant believe you. Why do you even bother bearing the name sarantakis. The name itself is WAY too good for you!
andoniss 4 years ago
look at iceland, who is interested in the culture of iceland??? ;)
PashaofTrikala 4 years ago
Iceland has a great culture, great history, great music. :)
Vierotchka 4 years ago
..the basis to create a great culture is always an exchange of knowledge.if there wouldnt be this,there wouldnt be that and if there wouldnt be that then there wouldnt be this...you see what i want to say is that turks,greeks,arabs,persians....share together probably the greatest cultural heritage of the world. it is the region and the mixture that creates culture and not one tiny people
PashaofTrikala 4 years ago
....Countries with a great history,such as greece or persia claim most of the culture in the eastern mediterranean and middle east as their culture,which is redicoulous if you think of the hundreds of other people that where living or still live in this region.
PashaofTrikala 4 years ago
to my mind this is a quite silly discussion,there is no this is turkisch,this arabic or this is greek or whatever,there is only the great oriental culture,which was always a meltin pot of influences,beginning on the balcans and ending in india or even further east.
PashaofTrikala 4 years ago
One of the most beautiful smyranaiika ever!And great performance!Geia sou Lizeta!
13jocker 4 years ago
And the chinese, indian and arab cultures are older than the greek or persian cultures. And you can also see tambour etc. in chinese music...And there are also dance-styles like belly-dancing and zeybek in india, china, indonesia etc., but it doesn't mean, that it comes from this part of the world...Belly dancing is a egypt dance and zeybek is a turkish dance (you can see it in turkmenistan too). I learnt all these during my orientalism study in the several universities in europe...
zahra79 4 years ago
The civilization of the humanity was arised in Mesopotamia...The old greeks occupied many countries (troja, hitith, egypt, persia etc.) and they learnt a lot from them and they were influenced by the cultures of the orient...I learnt at the university, that most of the music instruments of the old greeks came from orient and after they brought them to the old greece...So read the history and more info please...
zahra79 4 years ago
Vav babam vay..Allah Erhan Hocanin mekanini cennet eylesin..
aram34 4 years ago
Whatever, there was a misunderstanding I'm sure....just forget who owns what and what originated from where for a second.
I'm quite thrilled by the working of exceptionally talented Greeks and Turks together to perform a song which may have originated from one place, but is equally indigenous to many different countries.
Bravo Hector, was a pleasure performing with you guys the other night! teşekürler, Erhan baba!
zeynelc 4 years ago
Yes, I really enjoyed it too. The whole thing was brilliant. You were a revelation. We'll have to do it again and soon.
sarantakis 4 years ago
I am an Bosnian and i wanted to tell you, that this song is very known in whole balkan, kirim, russia etc. This is an old ottoman song and not a greek song. I cant understand your "turk-complex". Many countries (the whole Balkan, Kirim, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, India, the Arab world etc.) don't deny the Turkish influence on their culture, but you do it, why??? Todays Turkish music is firstly influenced by the turk (turkmen) music, then Arab and Persian and then a little bit byzanz...
aseanagr 5 years ago
I love Turkish music and have many Turkish friends.I don't believe I have a 'Turk-complex'.I recognise that this and many other tunes may have originated in Turkey.I am of the opinion that the bouzouki however, did not come to the Greeks from the Turks. The Greeks having played such instruments long before coming into contact with Turks.
sarantakis 4 years ago
I am an Bosnian and i wanted to tell you, that this song is very known in whole balkan, kirim, russia etc. This is an old ottoman song and not a greek song. I cant understand your "turk-complex". Many countries (the whole Balkan, Kirim, Russia, Iran, Pakistan, India, the Arab world etc.) don't deny the Turkish influence on their culture, but you do it, why??? Todays Turkish music is firstly influenced by the turk (turkmen) music, then Arab and Persian and then a little bit byzanz...
aseanagr 5 years ago
cok güzel...
Mahidevran 5 years ago
Hakikaten güzel, sen de cok güzelsin...
Ataturk2Day 3 years ago 2
You believe everthing comes from greeks. Do you deny the arabian, turkish and persian influence on your culture?? You can not say that everthing comes from greeks. Saz, oud, darbuka, tambour etc. are the intruments of arabs and turks. And we are also cooking in spain halva, börek, kofte etc., are they greek too or arabian and turkish?? Culture means to give and to take. So good luck and i will never send more comments:-)
marakkesh 5 years ago
Not at all!I said that these instrument probably originated with the Persians.I do not deny many influences on Greek culture.I do not think it correct to say the bouzouki comes from the Turks because the Greeks played similar instrument long before they had any contact with them.Don't be upset we are only discussing.
sarantakis 5 years ago
marakkesh thanks for the comment
andalucia2 5 years ago
nobody can deny the arabian and turkish influence on european culture. I know a lot about the intruments of the orients. Turks have a long music traditions, many music intruments come from the turks in central asia. And iran is a land with a big turkish influence too; 35% of iranians are azeri turks. As a spanish musician i respect arabs and turks, europeans learnt a lot from them. I hope different people can live together in peace...
marakkesh 5 years ago
Once again I have great respect for Turkish people and culture. The Seljuk Turks invaded Anatolia in the 11C. The Ancient Greeks had long necked stringed instuments such as the pandoura, tamboura and trichordo up to 16 centuries before in 500 BC.(They probably originated in Persia). Despite Christianity, these instuments continue to appear in paintings through till 10C and after. I ask you. Is it fair to say the bouzouki comes from the Turks?
sarantakis 5 years ago
hello my friend, i studied a long time the instruments of arabs, turks and moslem persians. The most musicians are the opinion, that bouzouki comes from the turkish "saz". You can see toumboura also in uygur, usbek or chinese music and they have them since thousands of years. I didn´t want attack any culture, i only wanted to say, that muslims (arabs, turks...) gave (christian) european culture a lot. Best wishes (i hope this discussion is ending here, than i have to work a lot :-))
marakkesh 5 years ago
Many Greeks too have the same view as you.They beleive that this type of music and instruments are Turkish in origin.This music was banned in 1936 for this reason.These scales,rhythms and instruments have been used by Greeks for thousands of years.Hundreds of years before Islam and Christianity.Just because 'most musicians' believe something does not make it correct.U should also be careful in placing 'Muslim' people together.Persian and Turkish influence and history are very different.g luck:)
sarantakis 5 years ago
i am a spanish musician and i teach music in several universities.We christians should not deny the arabian, turkish and persian influence on the european culture. We learnt a lot from them(in science, architecture, music,kitchen etc.). You know spanish guitar comes from arabs and greek bouziki comes from turks :-)
marakkesh 5 years ago
I appreciate your good sentiment. However, the bouzouki is not from the Turks. It is from the family of tambouras, long neck stringed instrument that predates the Turks by many centuries. The ancient Greeks and Persians are resposable for the scales we use. During the Ottoman Empire the music art form reached a very high level of sophistication and they made it their own, but they did not create it.
sarantakis 5 years ago
You should take in account the byzantine - ancient greek tradition as well, there are many citations of "women provocating dance" called kordax(tsifteteli?) or men "lonely" dance (zeimbekiko?) Don't confuse the onomatology with the origins and bear in mind that the ancient Greeks had already referred to most of the modes...I'm not writing out of nationalistic feelings but we shall not go on the other edge just to show that we are more "open-minded"!!!
faethongr 5 years ago
i believe it did originate in greece but was altered to something a little diffrent along the way THE BIG WORD ORIGINATEDDDDDDDDD
njk5298 5 years ago
I'm drinking raki right now in his memory... Agzina saglik Erhan Abi! aman aman...
ineksuyu 5 years ago
Ah ciğerimin ahh ciğerimin köşesi
aman yolla beyoğluna yolla yolla yar yolla
borrachoperro 5 years ago
Erhan Alptekin sadly passed away on 27/12/2006.
sarantakis 5 years ago
wonderfull
bigbaro 5 years ago
Waaw!Bravo re!
oTimpis 5 years ago
mükemmel çok beğendim bunlardan başka varsa koyun
banada haberirseniz sevirim tşkler
webmaster66 5 years ago
FANTASTIC!
kris7515 5 years ago