Good Job. Hopefully Florida will come to their senses and allow open carry. I have a ccw but feel that there would be much less of a likely hood of any confrontation if open carry was allowed.
I would like your address including house number. I would like to assemble 10 of my friends for a peaceful demonstration just off of your property line. We will be carrying, "FUCK ALL REDNECKS" signs as per out first amendment rights. Each of us will be armed with AK-47's which will be displayed prominently. Four of my friends have served time for felonious assault, and assult with a DW.. The cops will not find this out because it is within our rights to tell them to f' themselves. Get real.
coming if you have to use it, giving you the element of surprise. Another reason not to open carry: How many of you fat bodies in the video have had any weapons retention training or could even hold their own in a struggle over that gun you have hanging out there for everyone to see? Guess it doesn't matter since the damn things are UNLOADED. But you all look fucked up enough to get your ass beat and you guns and ammo taken from you...Crawl back under your rock, this shit isn't helping!
I'm confused, are you fucking idiots trying to help fight FOR gun rights or AGAINST them? If you are for gun rights, then you are fucking stupid. This is counterproductive. All this kind of shit does is give the liberals more ammunition and makes all gun owners look like jackasses. There is absolutely no good reason to do what you all are doing.
I'm confused, are you fucking idiots trying to help fight FOR gun rights or AGAINST them? If you are for gun rights, then you are fucking stupid. This is counterproductive. All this kind of shit does is give the liberals more ammunition and makes all gun owners look like jackasses. There is absolutely no good reason to do what you all are doing.
important to remember most people dont know its ok to carry, so naturally we shouldnt be alarmed when uneducated citizen may have a little fear and make a call, and its ok for an officer to do his job responding to a call and checking and ID for warrants, and if no checks were made, then thugs may start to carry useing our right to carry as a cover for themselves. if no one ever got checked, the crimminals would love it, robberies and hold ups would be easier because no checks
@1942nuclear So you would be ok with a peace officer just walking into your home for no reason without a warrant, just to ensure your not doing anything illegal then? Or randomly stopping you on the street for a pat down when your not doing anthing wrong? There are laws that protect people from unlawful searches and siezures, and the mere carrying of a gun that is legal does not give them a right to detain and search!
@Fight4urRightsUSA the owner of business has the right to do what they want on their property, the same way as if you went in my yard with a gun, i can ask to do a check or ask a person to leave, because its my property. this rights flexing movement trying for no laws or regulations at all, you have to have a proper ballance between rights of a individual, and rights for innocent peoples safety, i guess these rights people forgot the right to shoppers saftey
@1942nuclear You are not really correct in your assertion that a business owner has the right to do as he pleases on his own property. If a business is open to the public, then the business owner still has to comply with a lot of laws he may or may not like.
For example, a business or restaurant can't discriminate against people because of race or age, etc. But you're saying they CAN discriminate b/c they're carrying a gun in a lawful manner.
@Fight4urRightsUSA Even though what you say makes sense you're using it in a context comparing two different things. Apples vs Oranges. As a tourist I would be nervous of somebody walking through a store with a gun on their belt.
Even though there are rules, you have to be somewhat reasonable. I'm a firefighter, if we get called - we do our thing. Cops are just doing their job. Being difficult only wastes yours and their time.
I have NEVER understood why you are only allow to can UNLOADED firearms in CA. Great paper weights. I understand you can load them fast, but they ain't for toting. They are for shooting. Thank God I do not live in that state.
I know its legal and all in most states when it should be in all states to carry guns. Carrying a pistol or revolver is one thing. But carrying a long gun is just drawing attention to yourself. People like this are going to ruin it for the rest of us smart people.
@mem11977 I love how "open carry supporters" like you think that people shouldn't open carry long guns. To me, people like you are closet "anti-2nd amendment goons". If you were a TRUE supporter of the 2nd amendemnt you'd respect peoples right and CHOICE to open carry whatever they wanted to, as long as its in a legal manor. And what happens if the liberal goons start assaulting the laws regarding long guns? People like you would be all pissed off and grab EVERY rifle/shotgun in your closet...
@slickman911 and yet a few nights later at another Walmart in a differant city, they called, but the cops asked the right questions and did not respond, because they knew we were legal... ;0)
Cops that respect our rights (they are out there! THANK YOU!!!) v. cops that do not)
Why the hell would you carry a long gun in wal-mart? Becasue you want to look cool in front of all the little kids who play call of duty all the time. Of course if a gun fight does break out, you're going to have so much bullets penitration you'll shoot through every aisle behind your target and kill those kids anyway. Thats if you can unsling and load it before youre dead. Way to want to look cool in front of kids instead of consider their lives.
@WVUForensics1 I have actually never played that and I dont play video games. You should thank our governer for your concerns, which are valid, hes the one that banned us from carrying sidearms and leaving us with this only option or getting a CCW which is nearly impossible and a very expensive permission slip.
@rhurson We are still trying to fight.. We cant let America go that direction, there are to many of us out there that know why this is so important...
@tfraud Carrying a weapon holstered is not brandishing. Brandishing is waiving around a gun in an angry manner and that is not what we do. And it is not illegal in CA to open carry an unloaded or loaded sidearm, only long guns unloaded are legal.
@Fight4urRightsUSA try carrying a riffle into a wallmart, you will get concearned citizens, that may not know about carry laws, i have been a NRA member before you were probably born, and you have to expect the public to be a little scared, they are not educated on guns laws, so it will be a while to carry open in some public establishments. them guys should dress nice, and not like scuzz balls or a bunch of thugs.
@StinkenAL - They let them do there jobs. They were polite and cooperative. They just didn't let them step on their rights (as CA sees them).
Think about how silly CA's laws are anyway. The 2nd reads "the rights of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean, as long as it's unloaded and exposed to everyone.
If constitutional carry were legal in CA the police wouldn't be in this situation.
The best thing I ever did was move out of that state.
@757930 I bet u regret your right to bear arms u confused brick. The writing is plain as day the constitution is our structure just like your major is your and that major will not be tested with peoples feeling laws r laws and your heart has seen too much blood to deem in a mental state
Unloaded weapon is better than no weapon but with me it takes less than .822 milli seconds to go from unloaded to full loaded and 2.3 second to be down 50 yard range with a group shot well placed
@Fight4urRightsUSA That's great to hear. I just sent a message to my congressmen Denis Ross. I hope open carry is fully put back into the peoples hands. Thanks for sharing.
What's wrong with celebrating the RIGHTS we have? What RIGHT do you have to tell someone their RIGHTS? You're no more of an American than we are! Police cannot defend you against an armed attack! My wife was held up at gunpoint last week and it took the cops 8 minutes to arrive on scene! More AMERICANS need to observe the 2nd amendment RIGHT and not be afraid of cops who try to bully us out of our FREEDOMS! Celebrating RIGHTS and FREEDOMS is what separates AMERICA from every other country!
You are quick to type a rebuttal to opposing comments aren`t you....? The general consensus is that you guys are out of line......you disgust me. 4:55 they (walmart) just don`t want our money....(5.23) we just want to finish our shopping......really? Here`s a big Fuck you from a 3 tour Iraqi Vet Marine who has been fighting for my Country and my Constitution. I am sad to see people like you push the envelope like this, It will hurt us in the end. Are you too inept to see that? You are a disgrace
@757930 I call out BULL SHIT !! on your multi tours iraq deployment mother fucker. Guys who really were duped to go over there to serve zionist conquerors know they didn't serve the Constitution and would certainly APPRECIATE what these young folks are doing. BACK THE COPS OFF OUR COLLECTIVE BACKS, GUYS! GOOD GOING! CARRY EVERYWHERE! Gunny Hanson, 1st Battalion 1st Marines (1/1) DaNang 65
So who are you sreiter11? A cop, politician, or a member of Calguns that only wants a permission slip for CCW's that will still be controlled by the government??? (My guess is the latter..)
This is exactly why the law was repealed. Because you people walk around with what appears to be AR's. Way over board. Second, love how the walmart announcement was only in spanish!
@MrThrashin ITS LEGAL. What good is having a right if your cant excercise that right! The law was repealed because certain law enforcement people didnt like citizens being armed. They will lose.
Hell...it takes an act of God to get a ccw in Commiefornia...and OCers arent supposed to be able to open carry to exercise their right. According to sreiter11 by doing so "These attentions-whores are to blame for giving politician ammo" as he put it. So by the state of Commiefornia restricting a citizen from having ccw and therefore basically forcing people to open carry because they wish to protect themselves therefore they are attention whores. Damned if u do damned if u dont
@damiion666 - Dude, again you're showing your ignorance. 1st off, OC'ing handguns accomplished banning OC'ing of hand guns. So, there goes that ability "to protect yourself". OC'ing LG's will get it banned. there goes that ave for you. NOT ONLY THAT, but there there becomes a transport issue to and from your home or car because now it's illegal to OC.
CGF haa done tons and has opened up CCW by a mile. RIGHT WAY AND WRONG WAY TO DO THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is STRATEGIC litigation all over the state to force change in CCW policy.
@sreiter11 "BTW - Nice avoidance of all my points"...I think i answered them just fine. Basically u say OCers fucked it up, I say they were doomed from the beginning. Since we're on the topic of "avoiding points" I still see u havent said anything about other states doing just fine with their OC laws. In fact, in my state by OC'ing we've gotten the local PD used to not stressing all the time.
@damiion666 - Other states dont apply because (1) we're not talking about it in this video (2) their laws and constitutions may be different and have no bearing on california. In all states i can think of where OC is cool, you can just as easily get a CCW, so OC is moot as the only option in carrying
@sreiter11 Other states do apply because (1) this debate is not limited to just california, it encompasses people interpretation of the 2nd amendment, and (2) I do not even live in calif any more and can bring in a perspective from another state.
"all states i can think of where OC is cool, you can just as easily get a CCW, so OC is moot as the only option in carrying" ...sure, I can carry however I want in my state.
@sreiter11 Sorry but u aren't in control of the debate and I'll bring in any perspective as I want. I had to bring in other states' examples to show that it's the calif politicians that are to blame rather than the law abiding OC'ers which were merley following the law. Other states have OC laws and are doing just fine. We don't blame OC'ers here.
@damiion666 - lmao - Dude, if something isn't illegal in a state, there's no debate. OC isn;t against the law where you live. We get it. The fact doesnt change in california, oc'ers are hurt California gunnies. It doesnt matter what the rest of the world does. OC'ing in Ca. is BAD for Ca gunnies
@sreiter11 "oc'ers are hurt California gunnies"...Yes because we all know that it was sooo easy to get a ccw in calif to begin with (unless ur diane feinstein), oh and the "assault weapons" ban calif has going yea...those damn OC'ers did it again! Now they went ahead and caused ur OC to be taken away....by OC'ing! Lol /sarcasm off
@sreiter11 "1st off, OC'ing handguns accomplished banning OC'ing of hand guns"...ur just proving my point about commiefornia lawmakers. No matter what u do to exercise ur right theyll take it away. Thats why I said they might as well just ban the whole shit there. Damned if u do damned if u dont. Why even have the right to OC if I do they take it away lol.
Here is the question; WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN LONG GUNS ARE BANNED FROM OC?
What is the OC movements strategy? Obviously, after getting handgun OC banned, the strategy must have been "lets get long guns banned now". So whats next, confiscation of all firearms?
Seriously, you guys are so well thought out, you must be OC'ing to bring about change. We saw the change that happened as a direct result of handgun OC. And what, you think OC'ing a LG will have a different effect?
I heard through the grapevine that this video along with my Tyler Mall video was shown to RPD and or RSO yesterday as a "training video".. no surprise the spike of comments from those against Open Carry!!!! Thats OK, we wont stop doing what we are doing until we get Loaded Open Carry back, 100%!
@Fight4urRightsUSA ...Is English your first language? You seem to have a hard time with comprehension. People aren;t against OC, People are against YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS OC'ing, because you act like idiots and hurt the cause. There are those of us working extremely hard at getting all our gun rights back. Overturning high cap mag bans, the AWB, SHALL Issue CCW, and all you are doing is making it 1000x harder for people who CAN make a REAL difference. YOU ARE WORSE FOR THE 2A THEN THE BRADYS
@Fight4urRightsUSA LOL Fight. As for me I'm glad I don't live in the People's Republic of Kalifornia any more. I'm in a more free state and am glad I moved the hell out of there. I just feel bad for the average law abiding citizen there that aren't allowed to defend themselves. I group up in california in one of the tougher neighborhoods and would have loved to had the option.
I live in Canada where there are no open carry/Concealed carry laws.We can't even bring our pistols to the back country to ward off bears.Hell you can't even use deadly force for self defence! If you do not practice your rights,they will slowly but surely take them away.WHEN THE GOVERNMENT TRIES TO TAKE YOUR FIREARMS...THATS WHEN YOU NEED THEM THE MOST.
@zoner333 exactly, that is why we are fighting zoner333! The scariest thing for a country is when government disarms thier citizens, only mass exterminations happen after that.. its in history, repeatedly, unfortunately.. I wish more people here would wake up and smell that stale coffee here!
Seriously retarded. This is NOT how to bring about 2A change for the better. All the idiots in this video did was hurt the 2A cause 9and create/post a look at me" video) . I guess getting handguns banned from open carry wasn't enough. Now they want rifles banned too. What are you going to open carry when rifles are banned? All you are doing is HURTING the cause,
So, many of you posting here obviously feel that only LEO's should have guns. What about that off duty RSO officer that shot and killed the guy in the bar last night. 3-4 shots point blank in the guys chest, and probably intoxicated, MURDER. When I carry, I dont drink, and neither do the rest of us that I know that do this. Maybe cops should only be able to carry when on duty. Its not fair the rest of us cant defend ourselves against THEM!
Your all a bunch of idiots. All your doing is using up law enforcement resources to take care of your non sense. What do you think will happen if you show up to a public place, like walmart where kids and parents are present, and you show up with long guns and handguns? I think cops know the laws with open carry. If your point is to educate the public, do it in other means. Not by scaring the crap out of families!
@GoatNipples4u It was 10 at night on a weekday. Kids should be in bed for one. And if cops know the law, then they should honor the oath they took when they were sworn in!
@GoatNipples4u "If your point is to educate the public, do it in other means. Not by scaring the crap out of families!" ...in the past it was frowned upon for a black person to go into a restaurant where mostly whites ate. This upset a lot of people and "scared the crap out of families". Should the black person have educated the public by "doing it in other means"? HELL NO! He had a right to exercise, regardless of how certain people felt about it!
You guys know full well this was going to happen. There are plenty of other ways to exercise your rights and prove a point. You wanted to create a panic and get the police to come out. You are the types of gun owners we do not need representing the rest of us.
@Fight4urRightsUSA You may not want to represent me but when you pull stunts like this you represent all gun owners. You also did not dispute that you did this knowing what would happen. Great way to negatively represent gun owners.
@jgraham7897 and please explain to us other ways to excercise our rights to prove a point? It seems to me acting within the law IS excercising our rights!
@Fight4urRightsUSA This is not the way to "prove a point." Things like this are what got UOC of pistols banned. Things like this are what got long gun registration passed. Things like this will get UOC of long guns banned. Get involved with pro 2A groups. Take an anti gunner shooting, get them comfortable with guns. The more people we have on our side the better. Stunts like this do not win people over. How many people were you able to persuade to our side with your stunt?
@jgraham7897 "You are the types of gun owners we do not need representing the rest of us"...wtf...speak for yourself! I, as a law abiding gun owner, fully support these open carriers and their effort to create awareness.
"There are plenty of other ways to exercise your rights and prove a point"...There's a right and a wrong way to exercise ur rights legally? A right not exercised is a right lost.
@damiion666 - "A right not exercised is a right lost."...You don't have the "right", because the Ca. state constitution has no RKBA. As of now, OC'ing a rifle is not illegal. BIG difference then you have a RIGHT to do it.
@sreiter11 "You don't have the "right", because the Ca. state constitution has no RKBA"...Kalifornia law makers were hell bent on restricting gun owners no matter what gun owners did or how they carried. My statement of a right not exercised is a right lost still holds true. In my state it took a while for LE to get used to OC'ers but the more people carried the more relaxed they became about it.
@damiion666 .. the same happened here. Right up to the day the law makers made it illegal to OC. Great victory........for the anti's. Tell me, exactly what has OC actually done for the 2A cause. Measurable, definable results? Have OC'ing changed any laws? Have we won back any ground from the anti's? Great cops are not harassing you for obeying the law. Have you won the hearts and minds of the anti's? Has OC'ing made it easier to LOC? Are more CCW's being handed out? Has the NFA been repealed?
@damiion666 .. again, just showing your complete lack of understanding. Ca constitution was adopted in 1849. They weren't hell bent on restricting gun owns from carrying no matter what. Carrying a gun NOW is a misdemeanor, while nunchacku's are a felony. The laws were about controlling "minorities". Go look up the black panthers armed invadation of the State Assembly Chamber in Sacramento. JESUS please learn some stuff before you get on a soap box..it ONLY HURTS US
@sreiter11 "Tell me, exactly what has OC actually done for the 2A cause."....That's a moot point since ur liberal kalifornia lawmakers would have restricted open carry one way or another. Just look at their wonderful ccw policies. U semm to blame the OC'ers for somehow hurting themselves for exercising their rights. If that's the case then why is it so popular in other states now? Face it, it's ur whacky lib polititians that are to blame and no one else.
@damiion666 - How t/f is it moot? The "point" is to bring about change, for the better. Even the OC'er "claim" that's the goal. It's a fight. Actions by 2A activists either help or hurt the cause. No middle ground. Do research in the Calgun foundation and see all the things they changed "the right way"!!!! These people wouldn't have "AR-15" style rifles strapped on their backs if the CGF didn't figure out off list lowers and bullet buttons.
Lib-tards are to blame for voting in politicians. These attentions-whores are to blame for giving politician ammo. It's well known politicians vote for "feel good" laws. Keeps them in office. People are spending countless dollars and hours reversing bad laws through the court system. WTF would you do stupid stuff to help create even more bad law that would need to be litigated BY OTHERS. That hurts all gunnies. period. Very selfish. these people ain't the ones putting up cash, just benefiting
@sreiter11 It's a moot point because no matter what the OC'ers in Commiefornia did or didn't do ur lib lawmakers were hellbent on getting rid of their right. Take my state for example..lots of OCers here and our politicians aren't getting rid of it. "Actions by 2A activists either help or hurt the cause"...so let me get this straight, by OC'ers exercising their right and Open Carrying therefore they hurt their cause? So why even have an OC law in the first place? Just get rid of it.
@damiion666 they weren't hell bent n getting rid of the law until retards starting going around and doing stupid things.....Jesus dude, can you even follow along? First OC is NOT a right in Ca. Second THERE WAS NEVER A LAW SAYING YOU COULD OC. There wasn't a law saying you couldn't until attention-whores forced it.
How old are you? Do you have a slightest understanding of the way a representative government works? People vote for other who share like minds and trust them to make laws in line with their own beliefs. So lib-tards vote for other lib-tards, and they make lib-tard laws. By attention-whoring, they say FU to all lib-tards, so the lib-tards in office make laws to keep the rest of the lib-tards happy THATS WHY ITS NOT MOOT!!!!!!
@sreiter11 "How old are you? Do you have a slightest understanding of the way a representative government works?" ....I'm not the topic of debate here, don't worry about me. But if u must know then all u need to know is I'm a humble tax paying veteran that realizes CA is full of lib socialists hell bent on getting rid of firearms. "People vote for other who share like minds and trust them to make laws.." ..yes this is why I left that whack state to a state that realizes I have a RIGHT
@damiion666 - THIS...that is what our country was founded on. If you don't like you State Gov, find one you do like and move there, or work to change the one you're in. That means having a very well thought out plan in place. OC'ers don't. Thats the problem.
@sreiter11 OC'ers do...that's why we're so successful in my state. In ur state it's an uphill battle that was doomed from the start. OC'ers in calif shouldn't be blames merely because they chose to follow the law and Open Carry. Calif politicians are full of shit...telling peole they can open carry and then complaining that there are too many of them running around open carrying lol
@sreiter11 "they weren't hell bent n getting rid of the law"...we're talking about kalifornia lawmakers right??? LOL keep teling urself that. "until retards starting going around and doing stupid things"...Uhhh yes, those retards what were they thinking...going around...Open Carrying!! "There wasn't a law saying you couldn't until attention-whores forced it" ...I OC all the time where I live AND I have no problems here. Kinda hard NOT to attract attention with a holster on ur SIDE!
@sreiter11 Your right sreiter11, you dont have the "right", you have the GAURANTEE that is written and given to each and every citizen in the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES under the 2nd amendment!
@Fight4urRightsUSA ...dude seriously, this is why YOU are terrible for the 2A..PLEASE, PLEASE, STOP IT. You have no idea what you are talking about. You're BEST come back is "because i say so". If you are going to crusade, you NEED to be able to articulate your position in a intelligent manner backed up with facts, figures, and case law. You're foot stomping and acting like a two year old is what got OC hand guns banned. Just STFU and STFD and let the grown ups handle it, you'll get what u want
if you guys really understood the law you wouldn't be mouthy idiots who look like their out to cause trouble with the cops. they had every right to check your guns and you start saying it's an unconstitutional search??? If you're going to exercise your STATE right to UOC, you need to fully understand the STATE laws.
You guys really didn't think the libtards of Riverside would call the cops about guys with rifles?? does the public know their unloaded? no, their just scared of guns, and you helped perpetuate that by acting like idiots and posting this video with WRONG INFORMATION. Thanks for helping the cause...you guys are the reason why UOC is illegal now.
@aandh2 WRONG information??? What was wrong? It is LEGAL and in many other states perfectly NORMAL. Its the Commufornians that are WRONG and brainwashed.
Please tell me which other states it is perfectly "normal" to carry long guns slung over your shoulder into a Walmart?
Even in Texas where its normal to have a long gun in your car/truck on a gun rack, people aren't walking around wally world with their long arms slung.
@sreiter11 here in my area of Va, you can see people walking down the road any time if year. some are slung and some are carrying them in their hands. no one cares because it's normal here. i've never carried a rifle in wal mart, but i always open carry a full size pistol when i go in wal mart (or anywhere for that matter) and not a shit has ever been given. people are scared of guns because they've been taught to be scared by police. OC'ers aim to change that.
@TacticalTuckFard - There's a show on tv "moonshiners" set in Va., People walk around carrying. Carrying a rifle in rural america/hunting lands, etc. is common. Not so in cities. Even during the 1700 and 1800's, there were laws against OC in cities, but not on the frontier/wilderness regions. Goal might be to desensitize but a lot of yahoo's OC'ing aren't politically motivated. OC is not funded to win in court. Thats the only way to win. They arent organized either Thats why they fail
@TacticalTuckFard - carrying a handgun is much different then a rifle. If you want to see how 2A change occurs, visit CALGUNS 2A forum or wiki. Look at what the SAF is doing and Calgun foundation and CRPA. Learn from history. Change through the courts is the usually the best method. Thats what got the 2A incorporated. it was a series of well thought out cases, at the right time, with the right defendants. There is no strategy like this in place for OC.
@aandh2 FUNNY! We know the laws VERY WELL! and the 12031e check is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW. Stop being a sheep and learn the laws and your rights. Tell me, HOW is checking our guns to make sure they are unloaded productive? When my ammo is inches away on the other side of my belt and it takes me less than 3 seconds to load my gun?
You don't know the law or constitution as well as you think you do.
Heller and McDonald both said states have the right to enact "reasonable" regulations. SCOTUS has not told us exactly what the limits are, including what "bear" means.
Since there is no ruling on whether or not we have the right to carry under any circumstances, Ca. still has the right to during where, when how and IF you can carry at all.
Open carrying, = "in plain sight exemption to the 4th" applies. They can search you.
@Fight4urRightsUSA .....LMAO. You really have no idea how CONLAW works. Before you can have a conversation with the adults, you need to know what you're talking about first.
1. The constitution means what the SCOTUS says it means. The court specifically said regulations can and do apply. The court has not yet set the boundaries.
2. States rights, how do they work? While there are some federal regulations on carry, NFA, etc., Until the SCOTUS makes a blanket ruling giving us constitutional carry, the states still have retain the right to reason regulations. You and I might not like it. but thats the way the system works.
3. NO amendment is free and clear. "make no law abridging freedom of speech"? Wanna bet? Slander laws, calling for the death of the president, etc. Speech is regulated.
@Fight4urRightsUSA - I'm still waiting for you to give me your in depth analysis why you believe a "e" check is unconstitutional. Please list all the case law that backs up your claim.
@sreiter11 Im walking down the street with my firearm, LEGALLY in my holster unloaded NOT committing any crime and not giving any nuance that I may have just, in process of, or about to committ a crime, but under CA law an LEO can walk up and demand to check my gun=unlawful search and seizure of my property. Kinda like if your legally driving down the street and an LEO pulls you over for no reason and asked to see your drivers license, just to make sure you have one. NO PC, RS, or Warrant!
@Fight4urRightsUSA... OC'ing falls in the "in plain site" exception to the 4A. Go look up people v Delong, then read this case, and follow all the links to other cases too
scholar. google. com/scholar_case?case=5672641045983174968&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr (tahe out the spaces)
@Fight4urRightsUSA .. DUI check points are legal in Cali. so they can "just pull you over". California is NOT a stop and identify state, yet you are REQUIRED to identify when you are pulled over in a car. To the point of 12031(e). The law states the police have the right to inspect your weapon, and until that law is changed (mooted now that OC is illegal), They have the right to inspect. The courts have ruled that the narrow parameters of what the cops can look for and time detained (cont)
is NOT a violation of your 4A. You wanna get real? hopefully you're aware the fed GFSZ is "legal" through the commerce clause. The feds right to regulate commerce in article 1, section 8 of the constitution. The last paragraph is know as the "necessary and proper" clause. This authorizes congress to make ANY law it see fit with respect to carrying out article 1, section 8, including commerce. Guns = commerce = congress can make any law with respect to guns it wants. WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?
Unbelievable! What a waste of resources. Those officers should be out stopping crime not detaining and preforming unconstitutional searches on law abiding citizens! The police make open carry into a big deal when its not. They make a scene by storming malls and other places with squads of officers. Officer safety, sure its important but they have to realize these are CLEARLY law abiding people. They have nothing to fear from law abiding people there is no reason to have guns or tasers drawn.
@Fight4urRightsUSA the members carrying an assault rifle in the video came up to him and appeared unarmed. then started harassing josh with false information about some "rowdy college students" (exact words from josh) he then began a small debate with said member when he noticed the member had his Ipod nano on record. so he stopped calking because its his right to. now im sure your recording can prove your comment about "people putting on disguises" is false. dont lie :D lol
@Fight4urRightsUSA when the police intercepted you at the back bathrooms. Josh was then headed back outside to do his job when the manager asked him to come to the back of the store. We see him in your video wearing a bright yellow vest. he then waited to see what was needed and was witness to all of what could of happened. when the manager said you can still shop josh went right back outside to collect carts. when you guys were done shopping and were loitering in the parking lot one of (part 3)
@NOOSETTKODANDYOU Loitering? Reallyl?! Might want to look up what constitutes Loitering. And if you were watching you SAW a off duty employee come up and ask for pictures of us who thought it was cool. yea, were SCAAAARY.. right... Learn your rights and stop being an ignorant sheep.
@Fight4urRightsUSA for customers with guns. he was thinking of two customers who came in a few days before and stole two airsoft pistol guns and went into the back to walmart security office to invade and possibly injure the employees there. he was looking for 2 men, not a bunch of wannabe tough guys. he was walking around when he ran into your group, then pointed you to the nearest bathroom like you asked. he saw the guns and then informed the manager where you were headed. that is (part2)
@Fight4urRightsUSA I did a little journalism and got in contact with the cart attendant named "Josh" now if you can prove he was following you with video feed of exactly when and where he was following you then i would believe it, but i think i will currently take Josh's word because he also had camera back up. here is what he told me. he was outside getting carts when he was called to come inside and do a indoor cart round-up. he was then asked by another employee to keep an eye out (part1)
@NOOSETTKODANDYOU Well there is NO video of him following us, because we had no reason to record UNTIL we saw that he was and THATS when we started recording. And I was not recording outside either so NO, there is NO VIDEO of the guy getting out of his car and putting a disquise on before entering the Walmart. I feel sorry for you that you took so much of your time doing your "journalism" to get bad info to prove what? What we are doing is LEGAL!!!
@Fight4urRightsUSA just because it's legal doesn't mean you handled yourself in the right way. You were on private property and could have been arrested the second you didn't start walking toward the door when asked to leave. When you have a gun, you are held to a higher standard than the average citizen. You dont go around hoping to catch cops doing the wrong thing. You have no idea what your rights really mean, you just want attention. With rights come responsibilities, you need to learn that
@aandh2 When were we asked to leave??? Did I miss something?! He said we were welcome to stay and shop, did YOU miss that?! We dont "hope to catch cop", they seem to catch themselves failing to uphold the oath they took when sworn in and respecting the rights citizens have as gauranteed in the Consitution. This is NOT a police state. YET...
the most powerful weapon you guys had on you was the video camera, without that you have no real rights, what cops choose to do behind closed doors is at their own discretion...
I agree an armed society is a polite society,People like you guys actually cause gun laws to be more restrictive.I personally think every citizen should be armed because the crooks are.If you open carry, open carry don't bring attention to yourself.You guys just want ATTENTION.Put yourself in the police officers shoes.You get a call about people walking around Walmart with guns.They think the worse because they have seen Death.Can you say that?They have a duty to make sure citizens are safe.
@lawdog98 Actually I have seen death which is why I WANT the right to defend myself. So many assumptions that I am anti-LE, you have no idea WHAT my background is, you might be surprised. And how can you not call attention to yourself with an AR on your back? the dispatcher taking the call should ask the appropriate questions to determine what kind of response is needed, IF ANY. Yet thats all our governement has left us with-Thanks Govener Brown! Dont shoot the messenger! (No pun intended)
LOL Safewaysecurity, now I know where your coming from seeing your posts on other "forums"... no surprise you dont like us fighting for our rights this way.
@Dat1hyn4 because of our idiot liberal politicians and police state that supports them. The "majority" of the police in CA dont want citizens armed, yet they have shown over and over how they CANT and WONT protect us. We are fighting it, which is why the long guns are carried and not because we WANT to carry them. Its a statement for our rights to bear arms. Constitutional Carry and nothing less should be excepted in any state and not infringed. Things will change...
I've open carried at a few walmarts and never had any pig responses, though I also wasn't carrying an AR15, But this is a great video, so I know what to expect. Great Job Guys, Keep on upholding our rights.
What we have to realize is people are not used to this, the Walmart manager was only looking out for his employees and the costumer. The people open carrying said the manager should have asked them but would you approach people with guns. Most cops and even citizens don't know the 120231 laws, how is the manager supposed to. Yes it is our right to open carry but Walmart is a private company, The manager was cool shoed that by letting them shop. The cops were the jerks in this.
@pinghead105 actually Walmart is an open carry friendly store, so he SHOULD know the laws being that they have had many contacts with open carry. I really dont think we looked like scary people that were not approachable, and if that was the case (we were scary) I dont think cart attendant Josh would have been following us only 10 feet away to where we could hear him talking to PD giving updates on our location...
And all of you that are sooo offended, I bet if someone came in and started shooting the place up, say like at that hair salon in So Cal, and an open carrier was there, armed and shot the guy, saving your life and others because the cops cant be everywhere, I'm guessing you wouldnt be so against it anymore! Imagine if just one person had a gun OTHER then the gunman, at LEAST one life may have been saved! Move to a gun free country and let us know how that goes for ya. 2A protects EVERYONE!
@MieaChan..We all made purchases! I suggest you call the manager in the video that was on duty that night, he WATCHED us buy our items. I recall 2 items I bought in particular, plastic bananas for my holsters come Jan 1 since our great governer deems it necessary to revoke our Constitutional rights. And if we were laughing it was because of the idiocracy of the cops and their response KNOWING full well what we were doing was LEGAL and we NEVER harrassed ANYONE, quite the OPPOSITE!
I got tossed in jail by Riverside PD in 1985 because I had a gun in a case in my car, cop declared it a concealed weapon, the Riverside police were abusive assholes, talking shit and insulting me the whole time I was there. I was released after a few hours because they couldn't hold me for anything but my Colt revolver was confiscated and destroyed. Asshole California laws. I was an ex Air Force officer, no record, and those cunts treated me like shit. I left California.
Nothing I could do technically I had broken the law in California.
Asshole cops put me in danger, shoved me out on the street at 2AM in a crappy part of town, my car had been impounded, (they didn't even tell me, I hitchiked to where it was to find it gone) I was 50 miles from home, no way home, I wandered around all night before I could get picked up by family the next day. No criminal ever hurt me as bad as the Riverside police did.
This is also called "blowback". Much like the wars overseas the gun control fascists use of force on law abiding, liberty minded Americans is only going to work to create a LARGER more POWERFUL force against them and their idiotic laws meant to manufacture victims. Its also like these stupid OWS protests. If you want the OWS protesters to go away....stop rationalizing brutal force on them, stop feeding them with the hate they need to grow stronger.
Based solely on the context of this video, because that is all ANYONE has to base any debate upon I'd say that all parties acted as responsibly and appropriately as can be expected. I do NOT agree with these anti-American gun laws that California has decided to enact. Its unfortunate that Americans in California now only have the option to carry an unloaded long gun. There would be a LOT less flash, PR and activism if California would just respect Americans rights and let them carry concealed
These Cops Need To Be Pistol Whipped, People Are To Chicken To Actually Stand Up For Whats Right, If Your Gonna Carry A Gun Openly Then You Had Better Be Ready To Use That Gun On (Anyone) For (Any Reason) Or Don't Bother Carrying One!
I think that you guys have the right to open carry but when you do it in a family environment that is not ok. If you were shopping at a store and you see people walk in with guns I am pretty damm sure you are going to be scared and run the other way. I am sure that it was not only walmart but other people that called the cops on you I would have. Next time think about trying to proove a point where my children dont have to see your guns and unappropriate behavior. Dumb asses!!!
I hope you guys know that you do not represent thousands of us who want to protect our Constitutional Right right to bear arms. Based on many of the dissenting comments here by open carry proponents, I would suggest that your open carry views are the fringe part of the movement. Just as Westboro Baptist "Christians" do not represent the "majority", you do not represent the "majority" of those of us in the gun rights movement. You are going to be part of the problem with these foolish displays
I'd like to thank the videographer for intentionally working to set back 2A rights in CA for years to come. You're a Brady plant, just admit it.
No one can be so stupid as to be into firearms but NOT into tactical planning. Strategy and tactics dictate that you don't poke the bull until you have a winning strategy. You have that BBd AR because of the people that know what they're doing, bot because of idiots that provoke our enemies (they outnumber us. this is not a hearts and minds battle)
lmao, you guys said in the video "we are only recording law enforcement" but now said "we have it on video, JOSH the "cart attendant" following us in the store" so, if you were recording in the store then you could of been kicked out for that. hell if i was the manager i would of. next time you guys want to be a waste of space, do it where no one but yourselves are affected. if you really wanna carry a gun then join the military
if you guys are so afraid of being "beaten to death with a baseball bat in walmart" then do what you guys did go shopping in a GROUP sense your a bunch of pussies. you gu
Good Job. Hopefully Florida will come to their senses and allow open carry. I have a ccw but feel that there would be much less of a likely hood of any confrontation if open carry was allowed.
harleyxxfabco 1 day ago
I think OCing long guns is a bit more of an attention grab.
darbycrash55 1 day ago
The cop with the sleeve has an issue with his balls sticking to his legs I believe.
darbycrash55 1 day ago
Well said!
MrBassicLogic 1 day ago
I would like your address including house number. I would like to assemble 10 of my friends for a peaceful demonstration just off of your property line. We will be carrying, "FUCK ALL REDNECKS" signs as per out first amendment rights. Each of us will be armed with AK-47's which will be displayed prominently. Four of my friends have served time for felonious assault, and assult with a DW.. The cops will not find this out because it is within our rights to tell them to f' themselves. Get real.
Rookie35m 1 day ago
People like you are going to fuck it up for the rest of us. Open carry but for God sakes be smart about it.
archer82633 4 days ago
Half Life Combine getting ready to move in on Gordon Freeman
TheKATON666 1 week ago
1) do you have any legal info on open carry for rifles? i know as of the new year we are no longer able to open carry side arms.
2) do you know of any open carry public get togeathers in the future? im living in san dimas and im a strong beleiver in open carry and are rights.
3)can you open carry a long stick while camping or hiking for saftey?
only1ACTIONJACKSON 1 week ago
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Too bad the commies in Sacramento just outlawed open carry.
DaRyteJuan 1 week ago
coming if you have to use it, giving you the element of surprise. Another reason not to open carry: How many of you fat bodies in the video have had any weapons retention training or could even hold their own in a struggle over that gun you have hanging out there for everyone to see? Guess it doesn't matter since the damn things are UNLOADED. But you all look fucked up enough to get your ass beat and you guns and ammo taken from you...Crawl back under your rock, this shit isn't helping!
WarriorUpMSC 2 weeks ago
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I'm confused, are you fucking idiots trying to help fight FOR gun rights or AGAINST them? If you are for gun rights, then you are fucking stupid. This is counterproductive. All this kind of shit does is give the liberals more ammunition and makes all gun owners look like jackasses. There is absolutely no good reason to do what you all are doing.
WarriorUpMSC 2 weeks ago
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I'm confused, are you fucking idiots trying to help fight FOR gun rights or AGAINST them? If you are for gun rights, then you are fucking stupid. This is counterproductive. All this kind of shit does is give the liberals more ammunition and makes all gun owners look like jackasses. There is absolutely no good reason to do what you all are doing.
WarriorUpMSC 2 weeks ago
important to remember most people dont know its ok to carry, so naturally we shouldnt be alarmed when uneducated citizen may have a little fear and make a call, and its ok for an officer to do his job responding to a call and checking and ID for warrants, and if no checks were made, then thugs may start to carry useing our right to carry as a cover for themselves. if no one ever got checked, the crimminals would love it, robberies and hold ups would be easier because no checks
1942nuclear 2 weeks ago
@1942nuclear So you would be ok with a peace officer just walking into your home for no reason without a warrant, just to ensure your not doing anything illegal then? Or randomly stopping you on the street for a pat down when your not doing anthing wrong? There are laws that protect people from unlawful searches and siezures, and the mere carrying of a gun that is legal does not give them a right to detain and search!
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 weeks ago 4
@Fight4urRightsUSA the owner of business has the right to do what they want on their property, the same way as if you went in my yard with a gun, i can ask to do a check or ask a person to leave, because its my property. this rights flexing movement trying for no laws or regulations at all, you have to have a proper ballance between rights of a individual, and rights for innocent peoples safety, i guess these rights people forgot the right to shoppers saftey
1942nuclear 2 weeks ago
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@1942nuclear You are not really correct in your assertion that a business owner has the right to do as he pleases on his own property. If a business is open to the public, then the business owner still has to comply with a lot of laws he may or may not like.
For example, a business or restaurant can't discriminate against people because of race or age, etc. But you're saying they CAN discriminate b/c they're carrying a gun in a lawful manner.
DaRyteJuan 1 week ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA Even though what you say makes sense you're using it in a context comparing two different things. Apples vs Oranges. As a tourist I would be nervous of somebody walking through a store with a gun on their belt.
Even though there are rules, you have to be somewhat reasonable. I'm a firefighter, if we get called - we do our thing. Cops are just doing their job. Being difficult only wastes yours and their time.
Viatox 1 week ago
I have NEVER understood why you are only allow to can UNLOADED firearms in CA. Great paper weights. I understand you can load them fast, but they ain't for toting. They are for shooting. Thank God I do not live in that state.
TheGrayman1234 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I know its legal and all in most states when it should be in all states to carry guns. Carrying a pistol or revolver is one thing. But carrying a long gun is just drawing attention to yourself. People like this are going to ruin it for the rest of us smart people.
mem11977 1 month ago
@mem11977 I love how "open carry supporters" like you think that people shouldn't open carry long guns. To me, people like you are closet "anti-2nd amendment goons". If you were a TRUE supporter of the 2nd amendemnt you'd respect peoples right and CHOICE to open carry whatever they wanted to, as long as its in a legal manor. And what happens if the liberal goons start assaulting the laws regarding long guns? People like you would be all pissed off and grab EVERY rifle/shotgun in your closet...
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TheEndeavoringFamily 1 month ago
of course their gonna call the cops! you guys are packing what looks like assault rifles! lol!
slickman911 1 month ago
@slickman911 and yet a few nights later at another Walmart in a differant city, they called, but the cops asked the right questions and did not respond, because they knew we were legal... ;0)
Cops that respect our rights (they are out there! THANK YOU!!!) v. cops that do not)
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
Why the hell would you carry a long gun in wal-mart? Becasue you want to look cool in front of all the little kids who play call of duty all the time. Of course if a gun fight does break out, you're going to have so much bullets penitration you'll shoot through every aisle behind your target and kill those kids anyway. Thats if you can unsling and load it before youre dead. Way to want to look cool in front of kids instead of consider their lives.
WVUForensics1 1 month ago
@WVUForensics1 I have actually never played that and I dont play video games. You should thank our governer for your concerns, which are valid, hes the one that banned us from carrying sidearms and leaving us with this only option or getting a CCW which is nearly impossible and a very expensive permission slip.
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
@WVUForensics1 Because they can?
critchu 1 month ago
@WVUForensics1 Who the hell calls it a long gun anyways?
Okinawapajero 2 weeks ago
Come to NV. We are OC and shall issue. We need more conservative voters. CA is a lost cause.
rhurson 1 month ago
@rhurson We are still trying to fight.. We cant let America go that direction, there are to many of us out there that know why this is so important...
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
As long your weapon is NOT chambered or loaded, you will be ok. But still, I would not brandish a firearm in public because of safety reasons.
tfraud 1 month ago
@tfraud Carrying a weapon holstered is not brandishing. Brandishing is waiving around a gun in an angry manner and that is not what we do. And it is not illegal in CA to open carry an unloaded or loaded sidearm, only long guns unloaded are legal.
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA try carrying a riffle into a wallmart, you will get concearned citizens, that may not know about carry laws, i have been a NRA member before you were probably born, and you have to expect the public to be a little scared, they are not educated on guns laws, so it will be a while to carry open in some public establishments. them guys should dress nice, and not like scuzz balls or a bunch of thugs.
1942nuclear 2 weeks ago
Gez just let em do there job how is everyone supposed to know that it unloaded?
all they know is you walked in a store with a gun so they have to treat it like it is loaded
StinkenAL 1 month ago
@StinkenAL - They let them do there jobs. They were polite and cooperative. They just didn't let them step on their rights (as CA sees them).
Think about how silly CA's laws are anyway. The 2nd reads "the rights of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED". I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean, as long as it's unloaded and exposed to everyone.
If constitutional carry were legal in CA the police wouldn't be in this situation.
The best thing I ever did was move out of that state.
rhurson 1 month ago
@Deathwhisperer42 U call bullshit when you see it as do I.
714dilema 1 month ago
@757930 I bet u regret your right to bear arms u confused brick. The writing is plain as day the constitution is our structure just like your major is your and that major will not be tested with peoples feeling laws r laws and your heart has seen too much blood to deem in a mental state
714dilema 1 month ago
Unloaded weapon is better than no weapon but with me it takes less than .822 milli seconds to go from unloaded to full loaded and 2.3 second to be down 50 yard range with a group shot well placed
714dilema 1 month ago
THAT'S FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!! WHAT GOOD ARE YOUR FIREARMS IF THERE UNLOADED?????
DSOXBLADE 1 month ago
@DSOXBLADE There is a lawsuit pending to change that now.. I AGREE with you 100%
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA That's great to hear. I just sent a message to my congressmen Denis Ross. I hope open carry is fully put back into the peoples hands. Thanks for sharing.
DSOXBLADE 1 month ago
@DSOXBLADE Thanks for taking action!
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
What's wrong with celebrating the RIGHTS we have? What RIGHT do you have to tell someone their RIGHTS? You're no more of an American than we are! Police cannot defend you against an armed attack! My wife was held up at gunpoint last week and it took the cops 8 minutes to arrive on scene! More AMERICANS need to observe the 2nd amendment RIGHT and not be afraid of cops who try to bully us out of our FREEDOMS! Celebrating RIGHTS and FREEDOMS is what separates AMERICA from every other country!
gamr1911 1 month ago
LMAO@ the packer girl @7:07 . She should come back to wisconsin, we just got concealed carry passed.
AntaresInScorpius 1 month ago
@AntaresInScorpius Good for Wisconsin! Hopefully the lawsuits will get our Constitutional gaurantees back...soon...
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
You are quick to type a rebuttal to opposing comments aren`t you....? The general consensus is that you guys are out of line......you disgust me. 4:55 they (walmart) just don`t want our money....(5.23) we just want to finish our shopping......really? Here`s a big Fuck you from a 3 tour Iraqi Vet Marine who has been fighting for my Country and my Constitution. I am sad to see people like you push the envelope like this, It will hurt us in the end. Are you too inept to see that? You are a disgrace
757930 1 month ago
@757930 Odd, most military members SUPPORT the Constitution and the gaurantees it offers citizens. Its sad to see one that obviously does not.
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
@757930 I call out BULL SHIT !! on your multi tours iraq deployment mother fucker. Guys who really were duped to go over there to serve zionist conquerors know they didn't serve the Constitution and would certainly APPRECIATE what these young folks are doing. BACK THE COPS OFF OUR COLLECTIVE BACKS, GUYS! GOOD GOING! CARRY EVERYWHERE! Gunny Hanson, 1st Battalion 1st Marines (1/1) DaNang 65
Deathwhisperer42 1 month ago
So who are you sreiter11? A cop, politician, or a member of Calguns that only wants a permission slip for CCW's that will still be controlled by the government??? (My guess is the latter..)
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
This is exactly why the law was repealed. Because you people walk around with what appears to be AR's. Way over board. Second, love how the walmart announcement was only in spanish!
MrThrashin 1 month ago
@MrThrashin ITS LEGAL. What good is having a right if your cant excercise that right! The law was repealed because certain law enforcement people didnt like citizens being armed. They will lose.
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
Hell...it takes an act of God to get a ccw in Commiefornia...and OCers arent supposed to be able to open carry to exercise their right. According to sreiter11 by doing so "These attentions-whores are to blame for giving politician ammo" as he put it. So by the state of Commiefornia restricting a citizen from having ccw and therefore basically forcing people to open carry because they wish to protect themselves therefore they are attention whores. Damned if u do damned if u dont
damiion666 1 month ago 4
@damiion666 - Dude, again you're showing your ignorance. 1st off, OC'ing handguns accomplished banning OC'ing of hand guns. So, there goes that ability "to protect yourself". OC'ing LG's will get it banned. there goes that ave for you. NOT ONLY THAT, but there there becomes a transport issue to and from your home or car because now it's illegal to OC.
sreiter11 1 month ago
CGF haa done tons and has opened up CCW by a mile. RIGHT WAY AND WRONG WAY TO DO THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is STRATEGIC litigation all over the state to force change in CCW policy.
sreiter11 1 month ago
BTW - Nice avoidance of all my points. I guess when you don't have the ammo to counter a argument, all you can do is avoid it.
sreiter11 1 month ago
@sreiter11 "BTW - Nice avoidance of all my points"...I think i answered them just fine. Basically u say OCers fucked it up, I say they were doomed from the beginning. Since we're on the topic of "avoiding points" I still see u havent said anything about other states doing just fine with their OC laws. In fact, in my state by OC'ing we've gotten the local PD used to not stressing all the time.
damiion666 1 month ago
@damiion666 - Other states dont apply because (1) we're not talking about it in this video (2) their laws and constitutions may be different and have no bearing on california. In all states i can think of where OC is cool, you can just as easily get a CCW, so OC is moot as the only option in carrying
sreiter11 1 month ago
@sreiter11 Other states do apply because (1) this debate is not limited to just california, it encompasses people interpretation of the 2nd amendment, and (2) I do not even live in calif any more and can bring in a perspective from another state.
"all states i can think of where OC is cool, you can just as easily get a CCW, so OC is moot as the only option in carrying" ...sure, I can carry however I want in my state.
damiion666 1 month ago
@damiion666 - these comments are "response to video" - it says so right under the video. this debate is california centric.
sreiter11 1 month ago
@sreiter11 Sorry but u aren't in control of the debate and I'll bring in any perspective as I want. I had to bring in other states' examples to show that it's the calif politicians that are to blame rather than the law abiding OC'ers which were merley following the law. Other states have OC laws and are doing just fine. We don't blame OC'ers here.
damiion666 1 month ago
@damiion666 - lmao - Dude, if something isn't illegal in a state, there's no debate. OC isn;t against the law where you live. We get it. The fact doesnt change in california, oc'ers are hurt California gunnies. It doesnt matter what the rest of the world does. OC'ing in Ca. is BAD for Ca gunnies
sreiter11 1 month ago
@sreiter11 "oc'ers are hurt California gunnies"...Yes because we all know that it was sooo easy to get a ccw in calif to begin with (unless ur diane feinstein), oh and the "assault weapons" ban calif has going yea...those damn OC'ers did it again! Now they went ahead and caused ur OC to be taken away....by OC'ing! Lol /sarcasm off
damiion666 1 month ago
@sreiter11 "1st off, OC'ing handguns accomplished banning OC'ing of hand guns"...ur just proving my point about commiefornia lawmakers. No matter what u do to exercise ur right theyll take it away. Thats why I said they might as well just ban the whole shit there. Damned if u do damned if u dont. Why even have the right to OC if I do they take it away lol.
damiion666 1 month ago
Here is the question; WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN LONG GUNS ARE BANNED FROM OC?
What is the OC movements strategy? Obviously, after getting handgun OC banned, the strategy must have been "lets get long guns banned now". So whats next, confiscation of all firearms?
Seriously, you guys are so well thought out, you must be OC'ing to bring about change. We saw the change that happened as a direct result of handgun OC. And what, you think OC'ing a LG will have a different effect?
sreiter11 1 month ago
I heard through the grapevine that this video along with my Tyler Mall video was shown to RPD and or RSO yesterday as a "training video".. no surprise the spike of comments from those against Open Carry!!!! Thats OK, we wont stop doing what we are doing until we get Loaded Open Carry back, 100%!
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA ...Is English your first language? You seem to have a hard time with comprehension. People aren;t against OC, People are against YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS OC'ing, because you act like idiots and hurt the cause. There are those of us working extremely hard at getting all our gun rights back. Overturning high cap mag bans, the AWB, SHALL Issue CCW, and all you are doing is making it 1000x harder for people who CAN make a REAL difference. YOU ARE WORSE FOR THE 2A THEN THE BRADYS
sreiter11 1 month ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA LOL Fight. As for me I'm glad I don't live in the People's Republic of Kalifornia any more. I'm in a more free state and am glad I moved the hell out of there. I just feel bad for the average law abiding citizen there that aren't allowed to defend themselves. I group up in california in one of the tougher neighborhoods and would have loved to had the option.
damiion666 1 month ago
I live in Canada where there are no open carry/Concealed carry laws.We can't even bring our pistols to the back country to ward off bears.Hell you can't even use deadly force for self defence! If you do not practice your rights,they will slowly but surely take them away.WHEN THE GOVERNMENT TRIES TO TAKE YOUR FIREARMS...THATS WHEN YOU NEED THEM THE MOST.
zoner333 1 month ago
@zoner333 exactly, that is why we are fighting zoner333! The scariest thing for a country is when government disarms thier citizens, only mass exterminations happen after that.. its in history, repeatedly, unfortunately.. I wish more people here would wake up and smell that stale coffee here!
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
Seriously retarded. This is NOT how to bring about 2A change for the better. All the idiots in this video did was hurt the 2A cause 9and create/post a look at me" video) . I guess getting handguns banned from open carry wasn't enough. Now they want rifles banned too. What are you going to open carry when rifles are banned? All you are doing is HURTING the cause,
sreiter11 2 months ago
1985 I was stopped by Riverside PD.
They SUCKED. Bossy smart mouthed Nazi assholes treated me like a piece of dirt.
I haven't been back to Riverside since.
Blahblobify 2 months ago
So, many of you posting here obviously feel that only LEO's should have guns. What about that off duty RSO officer that shot and killed the guy in the bar last night. 3-4 shots point blank in the guys chest, and probably intoxicated, MURDER. When I carry, I dont drink, and neither do the rest of us that I know that do this. Maybe cops should only be able to carry when on duty. Its not fair the rest of us cant defend ourselves against THEM!
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
Your all a bunch of idiots. All your doing is using up law enforcement resources to take care of your non sense. What do you think will happen if you show up to a public place, like walmart where kids and parents are present, and you show up with long guns and handguns? I think cops know the laws with open carry. If your point is to educate the public, do it in other means. Not by scaring the crap out of families!
GoatNipples4u 1 month ago
@GoatNipples4u It was 10 at night on a weekday. Kids should be in bed for one. And if cops know the law, then they should honor the oath they took when they were sworn in!
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
@GoatNipples4u "If your point is to educate the public, do it in other means. Not by scaring the crap out of families!" ...in the past it was frowned upon for a black person to go into a restaurant where mostly whites ate. This upset a lot of people and "scared the crap out of families". Should the black person have educated the public by "doing it in other means"? HELL NO! He had a right to exercise, regardless of how certain people felt about it!
damiion666 1 month ago
@GoatNipples4u Btw...an open carrier walking around with his family with a holstered weapon scares u and ur family? Oh lawd.
damiion666 1 month ago
People just need to stop being afraid of everything... It's a legal right.. I love u guys for standing up for OUR rights..
WhatHavU 2 months ago
@WhatHavU Thank you!
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
You guys know full well this was going to happen. There are plenty of other ways to exercise your rights and prove a point. You wanted to create a panic and get the police to come out. You are the types of gun owners we do not need representing the rest of us.
jgraham7897 2 months ago
@jgraham7897 Why do you think I want to represent you. No thank you. I am representing MY RIGHTS!
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA You may not want to represent me but when you pull stunts like this you represent all gun owners. You also did not dispute that you did this knowing what would happen. Great way to negatively represent gun owners.
jgraham7897 2 months ago
@jgraham7897 and please explain to us other ways to excercise our rights to prove a point? It seems to me acting within the law IS excercising our rights!
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA This is not the way to "prove a point." Things like this are what got UOC of pistols banned. Things like this are what got long gun registration passed. Things like this will get UOC of long guns banned. Get involved with pro 2A groups. Take an anti gunner shooting, get them comfortable with guns. The more people we have on our side the better. Stunts like this do not win people over. How many people were you able to persuade to our side with your stunt?
jgraham7897 2 months ago
@jgraham7897 "You are the types of gun owners we do not need representing the rest of us"...wtf...speak for yourself! I, as a law abiding gun owner, fully support these open carriers and their effort to create awareness.
"There are plenty of other ways to exercise your rights and prove a point"...There's a right and a wrong way to exercise ur rights legally? A right not exercised is a right lost.
damiion666 1 month ago
@damiion666 - "A right not exercised is a right lost."...You don't have the "right", because the Ca. state constitution has no RKBA. As of now, OC'ing a rifle is not illegal. BIG difference then you have a RIGHT to do it.
sreiter11 1 month ago
@sreiter11 "You don't have the "right", because the Ca. state constitution has no RKBA"...Kalifornia law makers were hell bent on restricting gun owners no matter what gun owners did or how they carried. My statement of a right not exercised is a right lost still holds true. In my state it took a while for LE to get used to OC'ers but the more people carried the more relaxed they became about it.
damiion666 1 month ago
@damiion666 .. the same happened here. Right up to the day the law makers made it illegal to OC. Great victory........for the anti's. Tell me, exactly what has OC actually done for the 2A cause. Measurable, definable results? Have OC'ing changed any laws? Have we won back any ground from the anti's? Great cops are not harassing you for obeying the law. Have you won the hearts and minds of the anti's? Has OC'ing made it easier to LOC? Are more CCW's being handed out? Has the NFA been repealed?
sreiter11 1 month ago
@damiion666 .. again, just showing your complete lack of understanding. Ca constitution was adopted in 1849. They weren't hell bent on restricting gun owns from carrying no matter what. Carrying a gun NOW is a misdemeanor, while nunchacku's are a felony. The laws were about controlling "minorities". Go look up the black panthers armed invadation of the State Assembly Chamber in Sacramento. JESUS please learn some stuff before you get on a soap box..it ONLY HURTS US
sreiter11 1 month ago
@sreiter11 "Tell me, exactly what has OC actually done for the 2A cause."....That's a moot point since ur liberal kalifornia lawmakers would have restricted open carry one way or another. Just look at their wonderful ccw policies. U semm to blame the OC'ers for somehow hurting themselves for exercising their rights. If that's the case then why is it so popular in other states now? Face it, it's ur whacky lib polititians that are to blame and no one else.
damiion666 1 month ago
@damiion666 - How t/f is it moot? The "point" is to bring about change, for the better. Even the OC'er "claim" that's the goal. It's a fight. Actions by 2A activists either help or hurt the cause. No middle ground. Do research in the Calgun foundation and see all the things they changed "the right way"!!!! These people wouldn't have "AR-15" style rifles strapped on their backs if the CGF didn't figure out off list lowers and bullet buttons.
sreiter11 1 month ago
Lib-tards are to blame for voting in politicians. These attentions-whores are to blame for giving politician ammo. It's well known politicians vote for "feel good" laws. Keeps them in office. People are spending countless dollars and hours reversing bad laws through the court system. WTF would you do stupid stuff to help create even more bad law that would need to be litigated BY OTHERS. That hurts all gunnies. period. Very selfish. these people ain't the ones putting up cash, just benefiting
sreiter11 1 month ago
from the hard work and dollars of the very people they are harming
sreiter11 1 month ago
@sreiter11 It's a moot point because no matter what the OC'ers in Commiefornia did or didn't do ur lib lawmakers were hellbent on getting rid of their right. Take my state for example..lots of OCers here and our politicians aren't getting rid of it. "Actions by 2A activists either help or hurt the cause"...so let me get this straight, by OC'ers exercising their right and Open Carrying therefore they hurt their cause? So why even have an OC law in the first place? Just get rid of it.
damiion666 1 month ago
@damiion666 they weren't hell bent n getting rid of the law until retards starting going around and doing stupid things.....Jesus dude, can you even follow along? First OC is NOT a right in Ca. Second THERE WAS NEVER A LAW SAYING YOU COULD OC. There wasn't a law saying you couldn't until attention-whores forced it.
sreiter11 1 month ago
How old are you? Do you have a slightest understanding of the way a representative government works? People vote for other who share like minds and trust them to make laws in line with their own beliefs. So lib-tards vote for other lib-tards, and they make lib-tard laws. By attention-whoring, they say FU to all lib-tards, so the lib-tards in office make laws to keep the rest of the lib-tards happy THATS WHY ITS NOT MOOT!!!!!!
sreiter11 1 month ago
@sreiter11 "How old are you? Do you have a slightest understanding of the way a representative government works?" ....I'm not the topic of debate here, don't worry about me. But if u must know then all u need to know is I'm a humble tax paying veteran that realizes CA is full of lib socialists hell bent on getting rid of firearms. "People vote for other who share like minds and trust them to make laws.." ..yes this is why I left that whack state to a state that realizes I have a RIGHT
damiion666 1 month ago
@damiion666 - THIS...that is what our country was founded on. If you don't like you State Gov, find one you do like and move there, or work to change the one you're in. That means having a very well thought out plan in place. OC'ers don't. Thats the problem.
sreiter11 1 month ago
@sreiter11 OC'ers do...that's why we're so successful in my state. In ur state it's an uphill battle that was doomed from the start. OC'ers in calif shouldn't be blames merely because they chose to follow the law and Open Carry. Calif politicians are full of shit...telling peole they can open carry and then complaining that there are too many of them running around open carrying lol
damiion666 1 month ago
@sreiter11 "they weren't hell bent n getting rid of the law"...we're talking about kalifornia lawmakers right??? LOL keep teling urself that. "until retards starting going around and doing stupid things"...Uhhh yes, those retards what were they thinking...going around...Open Carrying!! "There wasn't a law saying you couldn't until attention-whores forced it" ...I OC all the time where I live AND I have no problems here. Kinda hard NOT to attract attention with a holster on ur SIDE!
damiion666 1 month ago
@sreiter11 Your right sreiter11, you dont have the "right", you have the GAURANTEE that is written and given to each and every citizen in the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES under the 2nd amendment!
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA ...dude seriously, this is why YOU are terrible for the 2A..PLEASE, PLEASE, STOP IT. You have no idea what you are talking about. You're BEST come back is "because i say so". If you are going to crusade, you NEED to be able to articulate your position in a intelligent manner backed up with facts, figures, and case law. You're foot stomping and acting like a two year old is what got OC hand guns banned. Just STFU and STFD and let the grown ups handle it, you'll get what u want
sreiter11 1 month ago
if you guys really understood the law you wouldn't be mouthy idiots who look like their out to cause trouble with the cops. they had every right to check your guns and you start saying it's an unconstitutional search??? If you're going to exercise your STATE right to UOC, you need to fully understand the STATE laws.
aandh2 2 months ago
You guys really didn't think the libtards of Riverside would call the cops about guys with rifles?? does the public know their unloaded? no, their just scared of guns, and you helped perpetuate that by acting like idiots and posting this video with WRONG INFORMATION. Thanks for helping the cause...you guys are the reason why UOC is illegal now.
aandh2 2 months ago
@aandh2 WRONG information??? What was wrong? It is LEGAL and in many other states perfectly NORMAL. Its the Commufornians that are WRONG and brainwashed.
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
Please tell me which other states it is perfectly "normal" to carry long guns slung over your shoulder into a Walmart?
Even in Texas where its normal to have a long gun in your car/truck on a gun rack, people aren't walking around wally world with their long arms slung.
sreiter11 2 months ago
@sreiter11 here in my area of Va, you can see people walking down the road any time if year. some are slung and some are carrying them in their hands. no one cares because it's normal here. i've never carried a rifle in wal mart, but i always open carry a full size pistol when i go in wal mart (or anywhere for that matter) and not a shit has ever been given. people are scared of guns because they've been taught to be scared by police. OC'ers aim to change that.
TacticalTuckFard 2 months ago
@TacticalTuckFard - There's a show on tv "moonshiners" set in Va., People walk around carrying. Carrying a rifle in rural america/hunting lands, etc. is common. Not so in cities. Even during the 1700 and 1800's, there were laws against OC in cities, but not on the frontier/wilderness regions. Goal might be to desensitize but a lot of yahoo's OC'ing aren't politically motivated. OC is not funded to win in court. Thats the only way to win. They arent organized either Thats why they fail
sreiter11 2 months ago
@TacticalTuckFard - carrying a handgun is much different then a rifle. If you want to see how 2A change occurs, visit CALGUNS 2A forum or wiki. Look at what the SAF is doing and Calgun foundation and CRPA. Learn from history. Change through the courts is the usually the best method. Thats what got the 2A incorporated. it was a series of well thought out cases, at the right time, with the right defendants. There is no strategy like this in place for OC.
sreiter11 2 months ago
@TacticalTuckFard Exactly!
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
@aandh2 FUNNY! We know the laws VERY WELL! and the 12031e check is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW. Stop being a sheep and learn the laws and your rights. Tell me, HOW is checking our guns to make sure they are unloaded productive? When my ammo is inches away on the other side of my belt and it takes me less than 3 seconds to load my gun?
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
You don't know the law or constitution as well as you think you do.
Heller and McDonald both said states have the right to enact "reasonable" regulations. SCOTUS has not told us exactly what the limits are, including what "bear" means.
Since there is no ruling on whether or not we have the right to carry under any circumstances, Ca. still has the right to during where, when how and IF you can carry at all.
Open carrying, = "in plain sight exemption to the 4th" applies. They can search you.
sreiter11 2 months ago
@sreiter11 What part of "Shall not be infringed" is confusing?
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA .....LMAO. You really have no idea how CONLAW works. Before you can have a conversation with the adults, you need to know what you're talking about first.
1. The constitution means what the SCOTUS says it means. The court specifically said regulations can and do apply. The court has not yet set the boundaries.
sreiter11 1 month ago
@Fight..USA...
2. States rights, how do they work? While there are some federal regulations on carry, NFA, etc., Until the SCOTUS makes a blanket ruling giving us constitutional carry, the states still have retain the right to reason regulations. You and I might not like it. but thats the way the system works.
3. NO amendment is free and clear. "make no law abridging freedom of speech"? Wanna bet? Slander laws, calling for the death of the president, etc. Speech is regulated.
sreiter11 1 month ago
@fightusa....right of the people peaceably to assemble??? Not without a permit..
Petition the Government for a redress of grievances??? Not unless the SCOTUS grants you cert
Freedom of religion??? Ask The Neo-American Church.
4th amendment protections??? Exigent circumstances negation them.
I could go on and on...
I'd retort "what part of CONLAW" don't you understand", bit it appears all of it.
sreiter11 1 month ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA - I'm still waiting for you to give me your in depth analysis why you believe a "e" check is unconstitutional. Please list all the case law that backs up your claim.
sreiter11 1 month ago
@sreiter11 Im walking down the street with my firearm, LEGALLY in my holster unloaded NOT committing any crime and not giving any nuance that I may have just, in process of, or about to committ a crime, but under CA law an LEO can walk up and demand to check my gun=unlawful search and seizure of my property. Kinda like if your legally driving down the street and an LEO pulls you over for no reason and asked to see your drivers license, just to make sure you have one. NO PC, RS, or Warrant!
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA... OC'ing falls in the "in plain site" exception to the 4A. Go look up people v Delong, then read this case, and follow all the links to other cases too
scholar. google. com/scholar_case?case=5672641045983174968&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr (tahe out the spaces)
sreiter11 1 month ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA .. DUI check points are legal in Cali. so they can "just pull you over". California is NOT a stop and identify state, yet you are REQUIRED to identify when you are pulled over in a car. To the point of 12031(e). The law states the police have the right to inspect your weapon, and until that law is changed (mooted now that OC is illegal), They have the right to inspect. The courts have ruled that the narrow parameters of what the cops can look for and time detained (cont)
sreiter11 1 month ago
is NOT a violation of your 4A. You wanna get real? hopefully you're aware the fed GFSZ is "legal" through the commerce clause. The feds right to regulate commerce in article 1, section 8 of the constitution. The last paragraph is know as the "necessary and proper" clause. This authorizes congress to make ANY law it see fit with respect to carrying out article 1, section 8, including commerce. Guns = commerce = congress can make any law with respect to guns it wants. WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?
sreiter11 1 month ago
You guys handled yourselves VERY VERY well!!!! Good job! You acted perfectly. A lot of open carriers should take note and behave more like you guys.
Thejoyofdriving1 2 months ago
@Thejoyofdriving1 Thank you!!
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA Why do your weapons have to be unloaded? Does that just mean round in the chamber?
emb876 1 month ago
@emb876 No, it means no ammo in the gun. We have to carry our loaded magazine elswhere, like on a belt.
Fight4urRightsUSA 1 month ago
Unbelievable! What a waste of resources. Those officers should be out stopping crime not detaining and preforming unconstitutional searches on law abiding citizens! The police make open carry into a big deal when its not. They make a scene by storming malls and other places with squads of officers. Officer safety, sure its important but they have to realize these are CLEARLY law abiding people. They have nothing to fear from law abiding people there is no reason to have guns or tasers drawn.
Thejoyofdriving1 2 months ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA the members carrying an assault rifle in the video came up to him and appeared unarmed. then started harassing josh with false information about some "rowdy college students" (exact words from josh) he then began a small debate with said member when he noticed the member had his Ipod nano on record. so he stopped calking because its his right to. now im sure your recording can prove your comment about "people putting on disguises" is false. dont lie :D lol
NOOSETTKODANDYOU 2 months ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA when the police intercepted you at the back bathrooms. Josh was then headed back outside to do his job when the manager asked him to come to the back of the store. We see him in your video wearing a bright yellow vest. he then waited to see what was needed and was witness to all of what could of happened. when the manager said you can still shop josh went right back outside to collect carts. when you guys were done shopping and were loitering in the parking lot one of (part 3)
NOOSETTKODANDYOU 2 months ago
@NOOSETTKODANDYOU Loitering? Reallyl?! Might want to look up what constitutes Loitering. And if you were watching you SAW a off duty employee come up and ask for pictures of us who thought it was cool. yea, were SCAAAARY.. right... Learn your rights and stop being an ignorant sheep.
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA for customers with guns. he was thinking of two customers who came in a few days before and stole two airsoft pistol guns and went into the back to walmart security office to invade and possibly injure the employees there. he was looking for 2 men, not a bunch of wannabe tough guys. he was walking around when he ran into your group, then pointed you to the nearest bathroom like you asked. he saw the guns and then informed the manager where you were headed. that is (part2)
NOOSETTKODANDYOU 2 months ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA I did a little journalism and got in contact with the cart attendant named "Josh" now if you can prove he was following you with video feed of exactly when and where he was following you then i would believe it, but i think i will currently take Josh's word because he also had camera back up. here is what he told me. he was outside getting carts when he was called to come inside and do a indoor cart round-up. he was then asked by another employee to keep an eye out (part1)
NOOSETTKODANDYOU 2 months ago
@NOOSETTKODANDYOU Well there is NO video of him following us, because we had no reason to record UNTIL we saw that he was and THATS when we started recording. And I was not recording outside either so NO, there is NO VIDEO of the guy getting out of his car and putting a disquise on before entering the Walmart. I feel sorry for you that you took so much of your time doing your "journalism" to get bad info to prove what? What we are doing is LEGAL!!!
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
@Fight4urRightsUSA just because it's legal doesn't mean you handled yourself in the right way. You were on private property and could have been arrested the second you didn't start walking toward the door when asked to leave. When you have a gun, you are held to a higher standard than the average citizen. You dont go around hoping to catch cops doing the wrong thing. You have no idea what your rights really mean, you just want attention. With rights come responsibilities, you need to learn that
aandh2 2 months ago
@aandh2 When were we asked to leave??? Did I miss something?! He said we were welcome to stay and shop, did YOU miss that?! We dont "hope to catch cop", they seem to catch themselves failing to uphold the oath they took when sworn in and respecting the rights citizens have as gauranteed in the Consitution. This is NOT a police state. YET...
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
the police are the criminals...
mackbk718 2 months ago
the most powerful weapon you guys had on you was the video camera, without that you have no real rights, what cops choose to do behind closed doors is at their own discretion...
jerfy2001 2 months ago
@jerfy2001 unfortunately I am learning just how true that is...
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
I will say you guys got very, very, very, very, very lucky. Did I mention lucky?
Never know what could happen with Amerikan "law enforcement" officers these days.
That being said, I have nothing against what you did, and I commend you for doing it. All the haters have less then a full set of balls between them.
I myself would never open carry in Commiefornia, but while you still have the right - use it!
TheDeJureTour 2 months ago
I agree an armed society is a polite society,People like you guys actually cause gun laws to be more restrictive.I personally think every citizen should be armed because the crooks are.If you open carry, open carry don't bring attention to yourself.You guys just want ATTENTION.Put yourself in the police officers shoes.You get a call about people walking around Walmart with guns.They think the worse because they have seen Death.Can you say that?They have a duty to make sure citizens are safe.
lawdog98 2 months ago
@lawdog98 Actually I have seen death which is why I WANT the right to defend myself. So many assumptions that I am anti-LE, you have no idea WHAT my background is, you might be surprised. And how can you not call attention to yourself with an AR on your back? the dispatcher taking the call should ask the appropriate questions to determine what kind of response is needed, IF ANY. Yet thats all our governement has left us with-Thanks Govener Brown! Dont shoot the messenger! (No pun intended)
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
LOL Safewaysecurity, now I know where your coming from seeing your posts on other "forums"... no surprise you dont like us fighting for our rights this way.
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
@Dat1hyn4 because of our idiot liberal politicians and police state that supports them. The "majority" of the police in CA dont want citizens armed, yet they have shown over and over how they CANT and WONT protect us. We are fighting it, which is why the long guns are carried and not because we WANT to carry them. Its a statement for our rights to bear arms. Constitutional Carry and nothing less should be excepted in any state and not infringed. Things will change...
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
I've open carried at a few walmarts and never had any pig responses, though I also wasn't carrying an AR15, But this is a great video, so I know what to expect. Great Job Guys, Keep on upholding our rights.
mykeyd1 2 months ago 2
What we have to realize is people are not used to this, the Walmart manager was only looking out for his employees and the costumer. The people open carrying said the manager should have asked them but would you approach people with guns. Most cops and even citizens don't know the 120231 laws, how is the manager supposed to. Yes it is our right to open carry but Walmart is a private company, The manager was cool shoed that by letting them shop. The cops were the jerks in this.
pinghead105 2 months ago
@pinghead105 actually Walmart is an open carry friendly store, so he SHOULD know the laws being that they have had many contacts with open carry. I really dont think we looked like scary people that were not approachable, and if that was the case (we were scary) I dont think cart attendant Josh would have been following us only 10 feet away to where we could hear him talking to PD giving updates on our location...
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
And all of you that are sooo offended, I bet if someone came in and started shooting the place up, say like at that hair salon in So Cal, and an open carrier was there, armed and shot the guy, saving your life and others because the cops cant be everywhere, I'm guessing you wouldnt be so against it anymore! Imagine if just one person had a gun OTHER then the gunman, at LEAST one life may have been saved! Move to a gun free country and let us know how that goes for ya. 2A protects EVERYONE!
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
Why is it they they are revoking this right come Jan. 1?
dat1hyn4 2 months ago
@MieaChan..We all made purchases! I suggest you call the manager in the video that was on duty that night, he WATCHED us buy our items. I recall 2 items I bought in particular, plastic bananas for my holsters come Jan 1 since our great governer deems it necessary to revoke our Constitutional rights. And if we were laughing it was because of the idiocracy of the cops and their response KNOWING full well what we were doing was LEGAL and we NEVER harrassed ANYONE, quite the OPPOSITE!
Fight4urRightsUSA 2 months ago
fuckin hell, how many pigs do they need to do this
obamasucksdick99 2 months ago
@obamasucksdick99
I got tossed in jail by Riverside PD in 1985 because I had a gun in a case in my car, cop declared it a concealed weapon, the Riverside police were abusive assholes, talking shit and insulting me the whole time I was there. I was released after a few hours because they couldn't hold me for anything but my Colt revolver was confiscated and destroyed. Asshole California laws. I was an ex Air Force officer, no record, and those cunts treated me like shit. I left California.
Blahblobify 2 months ago
@Blahblobify wow... sorry to hear that... did you file a sue the department, or did you just let it go?
obamasucksdick99 2 months ago
@obamasucksdick99
Nothing I could do technically I had broken the law in California.
Asshole cops put me in danger, shoved me out on the street at 2AM in a crappy part of town, my car had been impounded, (they didn't even tell me, I hitchiked to where it was to find it gone) I was 50 miles from home, no way home, I wandered around all night before I could get picked up by family the next day. No criminal ever hurt me as bad as the Riverside police did.
Blahblobify 2 months ago
@Blahblobify pigs... i'd go on a cop-hunt
obamasucksdick99 2 months ago
i support open carry. good job guys !!!
SuperSharpie2011 3 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Sigh...yeah its getting worse and thanks to Herr Brown bye bye OC come 2013/14. Nice video and good for you flexing your 2nd Amendment.
bber45 3 months ago
This is also called "blowback". Much like the wars overseas the gun control fascists use of force on law abiding, liberty minded Americans is only going to work to create a LARGER more POWERFUL force against them and their idiotic laws meant to manufacture victims. Its also like these stupid OWS protests. If you want the OWS protesters to go away....stop rationalizing brutal force on them, stop feeding them with the hate they need to grow stronger.
richarcm 3 months ago
Based solely on the context of this video, because that is all ANYONE has to base any debate upon I'd say that all parties acted as responsibly and appropriately as can be expected. I do NOT agree with these anti-American gun laws that California has decided to enact. Its unfortunate that Americans in California now only have the option to carry an unloaded long gun. There would be a LOT less flash, PR and activism if California would just respect Americans rights and let them carry concealed
richarcm 3 months ago
I can dig it, good job guys
Eraseallhope 3 months ago
These Cops Need To Be Pistol Whipped, People Are To Chicken To Actually Stand Up For Whats Right, If Your Gonna Carry A Gun Openly Then You Had Better Be Ready To Use That Gun On (Anyone) For (Any Reason) Or Don't Bother Carrying One!
Ninja3737 3 months ago
I think that you guys have the right to open carry but when you do it in a family environment that is not ok. If you were shopping at a store and you see people walk in with guns I am pretty damm sure you are going to be scared and run the other way. I am sure that it was not only walmart but other people that called the cops on you I would have. Next time think about trying to proove a point where my children dont have to see your guns and unappropriate behavior. Dumb asses!!!
MrJoserodri 3 months ago
I hope you guys know that you do not represent thousands of us who want to protect our Constitutional Right right to bear arms. Based on many of the dissenting comments here by open carry proponents, I would suggest that your open carry views are the fringe part of the movement. Just as Westboro Baptist "Christians" do not represent the "majority", you do not represent the "majority" of those of us in the gun rights movement. You are going to be part of the problem with these foolish displays
kirra77 3 months ago
I'd like to thank the videographer for intentionally working to set back 2A rights in CA for years to come. You're a Brady plant, just admit it.
No one can be so stupid as to be into firearms but NOT into tactical planning. Strategy and tactics dictate that you don't poke the bull until you have a winning strategy. You have that BBd AR because of the people that know what they're doing, bot because of idiots that provoke our enemies (they outnumber us. this is not a hearts and minds battle)
TheGreatVonZipper 3 months ago
lmao, you guys said in the video "we are only recording law enforcement" but now said "we have it on video, JOSH the "cart attendant" following us in the store" so, if you were recording in the store then you could of been kicked out for that. hell if i was the manager i would of. next time you guys want to be a waste of space, do it where no one but yourselves are affected. if you really wanna carry a gun then join the military
NOOSETTKODANDYOU 3 months ago in playlist More videos from Fight4urRightsUSA
if you guys are so afraid of being "beaten to death with a baseball bat in walmart" then do what you guys did go shopping in a GROUP sense your a bunch of pussies. you gu