A Frozen HHO Cell?!? You gotta be kidding me...

[aserath01]

Drink the nasty water! DRINK IT!!!

[Begbucks]

not bad

[propyropower]

at first i thought why would some1 do this but then halfway the vid it hit me, its actually quitte smart by considering some device's (plate's) may get hot and in frozen time freezing water is free,i thought you had a looong production this way wich had a good purity. nice vid

thumbed up 2x

[ollyvers]

Something like this can happend to a HHO mounted on a car engine through the winter? Or theese HHO have some protection? Because i really want a sistem like that on my 1.9D...

[scrapkilla321]

i see you shop at harbor freight alot lol me to!!!

[jarlog1979]

dude your hho system is contaminated, wrong ss or something , ur water should be distilled.

[Nettikturbo]

Have you ever calculated how much energy its taking you to complete these reactions? Not just with the ice, but, all of your tests?

[imthefrogman]

like your videos. maybe i can learn something from you. i have you saved in a file. thank you so much once again. good luck with everything you can come up with.

[firenbarbedwire]

Thats from using tap water not purified/distilled water.

[elitecssplayer]

So what is HHO and what is the point of doing this?

[HonKyTanKMaN]

HHO is the electrolysis of Water (electricity through water)

HHO is H20 separated with the help of the electricity (2 hydrogen atoms for 1 Oxygen)

Its almost 7 times more powerful than GAS... its a way to help cars running on WATER...

[elitecssplayer]

Thanks! :)

[wvanbokk]

You can run electricity through water to crack the molecules into a (flammable) combo of hydrogen and oxygen that will burn by turning back into water.

You can use it as a fuel, but it's better suited to being a battery because you get the same amount of energy out or less (always less in realistic conditions) as you put in. You start and end with an identical substance: water.

[crapkillerz]

actually, you can't get the same amount out... it always has to be less.

[Magganrchy]

To my knowledge, up until the boiling point, heat will increase the efficiency of HHO production. So why not put a heat exchanger around your HHO producer that will draw heat from the tailpipe to both heat the water, and thaw the producer in the winter months? Obviously you'd have to have a system to keep the water from boiling like a small temperature controlled fan or something.

[KARNAGE555]

hmm just really found out what a HHO Cell was, now i think ill put some in my car =D

[brunzmeflugen]

what does HHO mean?

[KARNAGE555]

google before asking....

what elements are those....

what compound has those in it....

i wonder....

srry for being mean,

[roperboy1]

i dont get what your trying to do

[prototype9000]

a little acohol will keep it form freezing totally

[hobbbes72]

I question why you are using tap water...much of the information related to an HHO system utilizes Distilled Water...also you show filling to the top...nope the HHO data speaks of leaving about 2 inches from the top for expansion purposes...I am also using about 1/4 tsp of baking soda for my catalyst...and then let the electricals do the rest...you folks in the cold climates let me find my chemist and see what he says...and the iron at the base of the jar you show... it is called Brown's gas...

[thegreatkoua]

what you have to measure it you can see the ice

[poolman153]

What if you use windshield washer fluid instead for the winter months??

[thegreatkoua]

that is not a bad idea

[bconov]

LOL funny rubbermaid, its been -1 deg last week this could happen to me, is there any thing that could be added to water to prevent this?

[midniight]

um, okay?... my cell freezes all the time and goes liquid... i been known that.. but is there any negative effects?

[leslieTS]

aside from the destabilization of the materials you used to create your cell there shouldn't be a problem.

[Zolar1]

Your cell is suffering from iron bloom.

This is due to the cheap stainless steel you are using, and your cell has far too many current leaks.

Plug the middle hole with a nylon bolt (tightly) all the way through, and goop all sides/edges except for a small area on the top and bottom to allow water to enter all plates and gas to exit all plates.

Your amps will drop like a rock too.

[sparten1114]

also has the ability to set min and max on duty cycle and frequency, all is programable via rs 232 connection, i am also building an installer kit with a hand held programer for the unit with an rj 45 plug this is a profesionaly made top of the line unit. you will need to mount in a box and add a large heat sink about the size of pent 4. let me know thanks

[sparten1114]

nice i was thinking on doing this myself. good job. hey i have finaly gotten my new pwm circuits from the manufacturer and was woundering if you would like one to test with. it has temp measuring water level high and low inputs a 5 amp pump drive circuit as well as a 12 and 5 volt supply and the pot input for contoroling duty cycle. i connect my pot to my throttle to control output at idle and normal hiway use. also a set of inputs to adjust your O2 sensors. 12-60 volt 40 amps. upgradable to 80

[audiegates]

If you cover your copper with plastic or sodder / use distilled water, it should stop the rust. if not, try washing your plates with detergent & rinse with white vinegar. Best wishes,

[rcjera]

Nice work!!

Why it is so dirty is you used plane tap water!

I tried tap and distilled the distilled did not get dirty like the tap did!!

the minerals in the tap water make it dirty!!

[pgpeachess]

excellent music choice!!!

[manfmnantucket]

dude you're just making mud here - that sediment is not related to starting frozen, its a result of mega current leakage. Dont let the output get anywhere near an aluminum engine component.

At minimum you don't want holes in your plates or copper or unshielded straps going around the outside. put spaces between plate pairs and seal the edges if possible.

oh, and get some real music lol

[TRLinde1]

Got to laugh, while watching this my wife heard the music and asked if I was watching cheesy porn online...

[greengaslab]

if you use windsheild washer fluid, you will find that if you use baking soda the mixture will stop working after about 2 hours on the auto. also it has a sweet smell from the tailpipe. i will be trying NaOH

[hobbbes72]

I am using baking soda for the past 4 months and it is doing great...in distilled water...

[RockinCrawler]

Great Video!! I have thought of doing that several times!! using HEET Gas-Line Antifreeze, I was told it works good! I also wanted to test the idea of a contant flow, a trickle of DC not enough to produce gas, vented of course!! enough to keep molocules moving. I found a small deep freeze that i am in process of installing a window and a way to clear or wipe the glass off from the outside, in case of humidity! But I'll post video as soon as i get to do it. lol thx and again "great video"

[AlmostHydrogen]

now that should be a great vid - I look forward to seeing it (I sub ur profile just to make sure).

Peace and thanks for stopping by.

:)

[MIKEandNADIA]

we in the uk have just had the first cold night -0 and my cell has turnd the water brown I was thinking of putting a small amount of asitone in it do you know if this is a good or bad thing?

[leslieTS]

this has been a problem many have faced and for future preferences try building an outer casing to put your cell into then fill the outer casing with antifreeze to prevent freezing of your cells liquid

[lasttry666666]

ok i how is puting the cell in antifreeze going to do anything ? if there is no antifreeze in the cell it will freeze . even if you put it in a bucket of it .

[leslieTS]

not necessarily do to its confinement with little to no air in the HHO cell antifreeze keeps the container from reaching the temperatures in which is needed to freeze, hence if the container stays above zero your only looking at minor to little freeze at the tip top of the liquid depending on your intake and systems design.

[azurfr]

Steve, Is it safe to say that an open bath booster like "Smackbooster" has an advantage over "dry cells" where it can thaw itself out?

Have you explored "dry cells" yet?

Frank

[AlmostHydrogen]

yea getting and testing a dry cell is what I am looking toward testing soon.

:)

[daddyo44907]

Make certain your Distilled Water does not contain Sodium. Some of it does. I have run my cell through 2 winters. The first time it froze, I scraped a little ice away from the top of the tubes and poured in a small amount of water. That let the cell start woking imediately. The cell thawed out from the top down. It did not take long. I started using Denatured Alcohol (190 proof). Adding 20 to 25% solution with distilled water is good to around Zero (F). Hope this helps.

[AlmostHydrogen]

thanks for the tip, its one I will have to try this winter, along with a pwm so I can get a more constant flow of hydroxy.

Yes, this will help.

:)

[nickgc123]

Dude be carefull you dont get a pocket build up of gas and then boom just a thought

[hobbbes72]

Ok if the denatured alcohol works...what about instead adding a single moth ball(napthalene) to the mixture...ideas...

[Energermany]

*HrHr* Nice Video.

Good work.

TY

[AlmostHydrogen]

your welcome

[Wayneman1234]

Steve, very impressive. I use 2 shot glasses of rubbing alcohol in my quart size to keep from freezing up, but hey man that was a great video. Keep up the good work.

TATER Wayne

[AlmostHydrogen]

thanks for the tip Wayne

:)

[Piercedforyoutoo]

Thank you for making and posting this video. Good information from you as usual.

[crob227]

good work and thanks for the links, how the seal on the rubber made? does it turn to rubber when it gets heated?

[mikespc99]

My name is Mike and i'm an hydroxyholic...lol

Anyway, wahts the temp in the room? Would be cool to watch this outside in the freezing cold man. Love your vids!

[AlmostHydrogen]

Hi Mike,

It was @ 75 degrees, but as you can see the cell melted from the inside, out. Not sure if I want to be outside for an hour, but I imagine it would take more time for the cell to melt.

;)

[EMPIRE0FLIES]

interesting.  I hear you can use antifreeze from a car to stop if from freezing? Is this a misnomer and what kind of electrolyte does antifreeze make? maybe a good experiment...

[EMPIRE0FLIES]

anyone ever analyze the red goop to really see what it is?

[Eddiev1985]

Hey Steve,

Nice work, I like your style!

You really have be an HHO addict to watch a frozen cell thaw out!

I did'nt even fast forward..LOL

You made me laugh.

Thank you, I couldnt take my eyes off it.

Keep up the good work.

Eddie

[courage2change2008]

You said you used tap wtr, its more likely its the containements in the water which also separate when frozen along with any non ss metals and the byproduct of hho. Gd vid anyhow, was curious my self.

[ssaqueen2]

What is your next video? only eager to know the end result. ie. the fuel saving. Have you tested?

[AlmostHydrogen]

I am installing the cell, tweaking the electrolyte solution and testing should be soon.

however I do not have an efie or other such electronics so I might not get an increase - just takng this one step at a time.

[sarasal99]

Probably right,I took apart a generator and the jar sat on the shelf for a while and now there is a yellow white sludge forming in the jar. The water was clear using NaoH and distilled water prior to sitting. The water may be evaporating off. The point is there is stuff in the water that we dont readily see until we change the chemical climate either naturally (lowTemp freezing )

or accidently leaving it to evaporate. Just a thought It was a good Vid Thanks.

[sarasal99]

could the residue be from hexavalent chromium create dddby the stainless steel as a by product of electrolysis?

[AlmostHydrogen]

its possible, but its also possible that its just the residue from water going thru electrolysis (note: there still are impurities in distilled water and impurities in hho cell housings, tubes, etc).

its true hex chrome is a byproduct of electrolysis but the amounts are minimal. Matter of fact hex chrome is present concrete, so while we need to be careful with it, it is not the plague.

;)

[yukon2850]

Hey Steve, next time try winshield washer fluid insted of distiled water with the lye. I hope it works because it gets cold here to.Thanks for the VID'S

[keloecho7]

My test water looked the exact same when I used 100 SS. I think it was or is the solid that were desolved in the tap water to begin with. The yellowish hue might be from the copper because mine was totally clear the next moning except for the bottom layer on sludge. Remember I drink that stuff right out of the faucet, mmmmm good stuff.

time for work, later

[YoTommy1]

Hi Steve Someone told me that putting a little antifreeze in your cell is a perfect solution to keep your water from freezing. If you want to try it Let me know. :) I would like to know how it turns out

[danburford58]

Yep, copper wires.

[AlmostHydrogen]

yep - next time I'll ss bolts & nuts.

;)

[danburford58]

Hey steve, a 28% solution of koh has a freezing point of -85deg, what temp will your winter be, maybe you could mix it strong enough just to overcome the freeze but you would have to use a pwm to control it.

[AlmostHydrogen]

now thats some useful info = thanks

:)

Now I just have to find a good pwm - the ones I have had so far are not up to constant use. For example the 30 amp pwms for sale are not rated for 30 amp continuous use.

I am looking for a heavy duty pwm of around 80 amps so I can run a system at 65 amps cont. I found one site that has one, but havent seen any others. If you have some links, plz drop me a line.

again thanks for the info on the koh solution.

[danburford58]

You can run 2 x 30amp pwms in parallel giving 60amps

[AlmostHydrogen]

thanks... another good idea

:D

[altfueltechnology]

I wonder what would of happened if you kept the cell IN the Freezer & tried this?!?

[rkovic]

Dr. Frankenstien would be very proud of you Steve.

[ssaqueen2]

From your previous comments you said you had solved the heating problem of your hho gen. So what is the result? Is there any fuel saving?

[AlmostHydrogen]

yes I solved the heat prob as far as bench tests go. I just finished my before mileage test so I am hoping to install the system again and do after mileage tests to see if there will be any savings/increased MPG.

Stay tuned

;)

[gerriburn]

good job, I have been testing for over a month, I tried radiator fluid 20% per gallon and it still freezes, thinking windshield solution should work, gotta be alky should help, great job!

[AlmostHydrogen]

thanks, but I am wondering if it wouldnt be just easier to de-install the cell & its housing at the end of the day after driving.

;)

[ReisendeEuropa]

for now that would probably do.. but if it was a permanent installation there would have to be a system, either active or passive, to keep it from freezing. One active system I can think of would be like an aquarium heater. It is in a glass tube and so wouldn't cause the water to fill with particles, and you could simply plug it in when you got home.

[AlmostHydrogen]

now that is a good idea - I wouldnt have thot of that, thanks.

:D

If you have any more tips, feel free to post em.

[OFFROADEVIL]

good vid mate trying to get mine together at the moment i'll keep ya posted haha

fourpotpower

[AlmostHydrogen]

I look forward to it.

[MountainMonsters]

excellent video!! love the music too!

thanks again for the well needed information!

[AlmostHydrogen]

your welcome, but I could have done lots better - perhaps on the next one.

[KyHighlander59]

Do they make foam pipe wrap that will fit a 4" pvc pipe? LOL

[AlmostHydrogen]

lol - someone probably does.

;)

[vancecook7]

Not first but almost. /watch?v=sLCj9gq0JMc Sep 2nd ... I think you have more information on yours.

[AlmostHydrogen]

almost, oh well it was still fun doing this test.

;)

[water4fuelh20]

Steve,

I was going to tell you try your test with tap water with the winter mix and then distilled with the winter mix. I would be very interested in your results.

[AlmostHydrogen]

sure - what kind of mix are you talking about?

[vancecook7]

Entertaining yet satisfyingly informative. :) How about a few tests with additives that lower the freezing temp of water, both at room temp and at 29 degrees. :) May I suggest Hydrogen Peroxide, or EG? I was also thinking isapropyl alcohol, but it makes me nervous around electricity and in the presence of another flammable substance and would probably evaporate too quickly.

[AlmostHydrogen]

yea I'm a bit leary about alcohol and other type of stuff like that, but maybe...

;)

[water4fuelh20]

Very nicely done Dr. Hydrogen. You safley brought the cell back out of comma to see another day. Very impressed with your video idea and choice of test.

Hats off to you on this one....

[AlmostHydrogen]

thank you but thats what you get when you have too much time on graveyard shift with not much to do.

;)

[batistax777]

great test!!! i took a working cell from my truck, just as it needs to run in the truck, froze it and got totally different results as i had gas in a few minutes. my fill level is different, my setup is different. 4" inches of air space and my plates are about 1 1/2" inches above the ice. hope this helps. cold here in siberia minnesota! so i too needed to work that out... i will probably use a r32 insulation to keep the gas production on short trips to a maximum! great work, test freeze them!

[AlmostHydrogen]

cool - might do some other stuff, but that will have to wait cause I'm due to install & mileage test the booster soon.

:D

[jimmyturismo]

Oh, and nice video! I don't think I've seen anyone here perform this experiment but a few guys have talked about adding an antifreeze component of some kind to the electrolyte during the winter months.

[AlmostHydrogen]

well there have been; I added a link or two in the description box.

still it was interesting to do.

[jimmyturismo]

The water is dirty because of the tap water. You would be blown away by how impure your tap really is,even with a filter, and not to mention the chemical additives. I have found that by using 'distilled' water with NaOH I only get a slight 'browning'.

[AlmostHydrogen]

yep distilled will be next.

[mowerman54]

Nice vid Steve. Curious about the stuff in the bottom, also about the pulsing amps? Keep it up, it's always good to see whats going on out there in HHO space.

[AlmostHydrogen]

yea the brown yeck is probably the tap water & copper wire, but I wasnt expecting so much.

oh well, will try again with distilled water.

:)

[kennym782]

I've got a water filter on my water main coming in. Which I have to change once a week. You might be suprised what's in your tap water lol