Jianshu ICMAC 2010 San Diego Highlight Compilation

[baimeng1]

i don't see much chinese swordsmanship and some are useing obvious fencing techs.

still i like the idea of a jianshu art/sport, a long the lines of kendo. but this seems to still need a lot more work.

[Dimitri0809]

it would be good if you could tell who has been hit that way spectators will be able to see who has been hit by who and not just the referee.

[GTLiberal]

This is fencing.

[lohanshinobu]

@GTLiberal That's an obvious statement. Good eye.

[ShuyuKoukin]

okay....i dont do jianshu..but this looks like fencing to me. i don't see no application from any sword style...idk what to say. i cant tell you that this sucks..and i don't think this is good. i cant tell you that this is a disgrace to jianshu..so id say good job?

i fence sabre...when i apply some taiji dao techniques in my bouts it doesn't look like fencing..its looks like Chinese swordsmanship. something is off here..and its not me. are you sure this is jianshu?

[lohanshinobu]

@ShuyuKoukin ............ all I can say is, this is not a movie. There are many different types of styles in gung fu that use the jian. Sorry its not what you have expected, but what I can tell you is that the techiniques only have to work and be practical. Thats what is going on here and that is how the World Jianshu League developed its rules around these principles.

Keep training

Amitoufo

[ShuyuKoukin]

@lohanshinobu ...it doesn't have to be a movie..You Liao(slide upward to the right) of Yang Taiji Sabre is similar to parry 4 and riposte to low outside in sabre fencing. If you don't know what I'm talking about maybe should keep training yourself. If you consider yourself a jianshu practitioner then fight like one. use the forms. this is not jianshu this is sloppy foil fencing..

Movie or not it really is up to the user to make the technique effective..BTW sloppy flunge @ 0:25 lol

[lohanshinobu]

@ShuyuKoukin Opinion.... _/|\_

Have a good day

[Baihu108]

@ShuyuKoukin I agree, this has much more in common w/ poor epee fencing than Chinese historical swordsmanship, but what more can you expect from using light, plastic "swords" instead of real weight, solid weapon. You might have a look: TCSL Inaugural Full Contact Tournament @ Google video, the TCSL minimum weight requirement for the swords is 700 grams. Injuries are not uncommon at TCSL full contact tournaments. Unfortunately, most Martial Artists today don't want to risk even getting a bruise.

[lohanshinobu]

@Baihu108 FYI do your research, these COMBAT JIANS weigh 700grams/1.5lb. Their solid and not as light as you think they would be from your poor observation.

[Baihu108]

@lohanshinobu No offense intended. I've handled these plastic jian, as well as 100s of antique QIng jian in both Museum & Private collections. Honestly the plastic swords do not at all compare well with real historical jian. Their flexibility is a real issue. I understand that you are trying to make weapons that are safe, but just as modern sport fencing weapons do not move like real swords, these plastic weapons do not handle or play like real jian. Give solid wood a try. Best of Luck.

[ShuyuKoukin]

@Baihu108 I agree except for one thing. It's possible to use Authentic Jianshu in a bout with heavier swords. They need to work on their arm/wrist strength. All I can say is they don't condition themselves. Martial Art is about fitness..they shouldn't use the weight excuse. Just like boxing they train you for the sport.

Heavy weapon or not..I get bruised anyways because some people just cant fence!

[Baihu108]

@ShuyuKoukin Seems we r thinking along similar lines, bt to my mind, the use of these flexible, unrealistic plastic swords changeds things from being a martial art to a martial sport. It is a question of what you're after? Nothing wrong with sport, but it is quite different. If I my make a friendly suggestion, if you are interested in testing your swordplay skills try a TCSL Tournament. The play is quite different when your opposite is swinging a solid piece of wood that could put you down.

[ShuyuKoukin]

@Baihu108 might want to correct your last sentence. the jians weigh...700grams..the sabers weigh..100-500grams. So a saber fencer's cut can be 2x faster than those solid piece of wood thingy. As a saber fencer..i have to react to a hellishly light steel blade. Parrying..and evading(mostly) that flimsy blade. So..you're telling me that my eyes can't track a solid piece of wood coming at me?

test my fencing against them? it won't happen. i dont need to prove anything to............that.( ﾟ∀ﾟ)lol

[LegioXHispanica]

6:25 the guy in blue is good

[Lostkyuubi877]

haha. . great vid! thanks for putting this up this is Arnold Cruz btw, the big guy w/ the pony tail

[lohanshinobu]

Thank you very much Arnold, it was fun. You were definitely a great competitor and thank you very much for that. Hope to see you in Las Vegas then heh

[TheShaolinScholar]

more vids please

[PinoyBoy702]

@ the 7:00 mark, jesse did a nice fade away and came back and scored. Lance and Jesse both kicked so much ass in this tourney. Lance: you do know your new name is Obi-Wan, right?

[lohanshinobu]

So I have heard about the name hehehe. It was a great competition, there were many competitors. Because of everyone who participated, it became a great event.

[anhkhoinguyen]

Whoa, you got mad skills....lol the only thing missing is them Qi blast and some wire work! hahah