@DeCavalcante Yes.He believes in repealing Roe vs. Wade and making the issue a state matter. It's the same position he takes on the federal war on drugs. He believes these are 10th Amendment issues. "Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.” ronpaul2012[dot]com
@DeCavalcante Because he realizes that the Constitution is a pro-life document. Arguments that support abortion are nonsense and evil in nature, to put it bluntly.
On the big issues, Ron Paul is the only sincere thoughtful one who inspires through articulation. He won't accept a job if he has to lie. He's not only talking about evangelical Christians, but anyone who aspires to be prolife who also jumps into war so easily.
The just war theory is holy war. State religion in Israel and Saudi-Arabia is subsided by public money from US, and I guess it's against the Constitution. Ron Paul seems to understand better than most people that all religion is the same and cannot be trusted, so he pushes the Constitution to the top of the books. He did it during all debates ("morality isn't law, cannot be imposed") and few people gave attention to that, judging them all fanatics.
Ron Paul would do well to understand the Christian world and how it's made up. He would find a hidden constitutional giant within that camp. If that giant wakes up, our country & government can be restored. Unfortunately, John MacArthur is one of the leaders and possibly the most influential leader of this group and he's apolitical.
@locoxfiat Buddhism, Taoism and hinduism in all it's forms are inclusive. What's even better is that you don't have to accept anyone as your master and savior for any of those, you just have to follow certain teachings or traditions. Christianity IS the only religion founded by a pacifist that justifies waging war almost constantly.
@smokydave to specify religions. i wouldnt consider buddhism/taoism a religion. its more of a practice, a discipline. well unless you look into buddhism in japan or southeast asia then yea i would consider them religions
@locoxfiat Buddhism, Taoism and hinduism in all it's forms are inclusive. What's even better is that you don't have to accept anyone as your master and savior for any of those, you just have to follow certain teachings or traditions. Christianity ISa the only religion founded by a pacifist that justifies waging war almost constantly.
@locoxfiat Buddhism, Taoism and hinduism in all it's forms are inclusive. What's even better is that you don't have to accept anyone as your master and savior for any of those, you just have to follow certain teachings or traditions. Christianity IS the only religion founded by a pacifist that justifies waging war almost constantly.
@locoxfiat Christianity with the talking snake and magic trees and a guy living 3 days inside a whale and the big pretty boat with cute giraffes and elephants, is not an invented cult? I beg to differ.
Not surprising since the portrait painted in the old testament is a god with the intellect of a 7 year old playing with his toys(humans). Christianity is and has been just as blood thirsty as any religion. Humans will go through get lengths to justify any atrocity. At least some of us have risen above that.
Jews are censoring Christian theologian websites. A theologian had one of his pages shut down that wrote about the deeds of Pharasees, Talmudist priests, in Israel during Christ's days,
Jews don't want the secrets of their ill deeds being revealed. Mohammed respected Jews. Christ did not. That is why we have Christianity.
if you think intelligent design is in the realm of science, then you should pick something else to study.... you can learn all you want about Intelligent design in a class that discusses the supernatural aka a religious class
George W Bush's OWN CHURCH ordered him not to invade Iraq, he told them to get lost! Most Christian Churches especially the Catholic Church condemned the war in Iraq. George W Bush ignored them and took orders from PNAC (Project for the New American Century) instead. PNAC is a secular organization comprised mainly of Neo-Cons. Neo-Cons are Atheistic Liberals who adopted Neo-Liberal economics and a robust foreign policy. They have nothing to do with Christianity or any other religion.
"God is a man of war." Exodus 15:3 There is a time for war and a time for peace. Rep. Paul just said there will always be wars but certain conditions must be met CONSTITUTIONALLY. He is not against war!
So which one ofJesus' teachings supports war? I see alot of comments saying, "go read the Bible." I did, I continue to and all I keep seeing is this "SILLY" stuff about loving your neighbor, blessing those that curse you and even worse, turning the other cheek. I think people are getting confused with seeing historical events in the old testiment(war, genocide, invasion) as an all access card to smack down 3rd world countries and the "villian du jour." America is NOT old school Israel.
The funniest thing is that Thomas Jefferson was a deist who denied the divinity of Jesus and believed in complete separation of church and state. Ron Paul is a fundamentalist Christian who doesn't believe in separation of church and state and thinks that the Founding Fathers were strong Christians who intended to establish America as a Christian nation, even though they blatently asserted that America was "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" in the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796.
There was only ONE Evangel, Bringer-of-Glad Tidings, and he DieD on the Cross. All the rest are Dysangels, Bringers-of-Sad-Tidings. The Resurrection is the Biggest Lie ever told in history. The Apostols Stole the Body and burned it. Mary was just a Young Woman. The Virgin Birth was a mistranslation, it was Young Woman Birth. Nothing is Permanent. God is The Universe which is First Cause of Itself and we are part of IT.
@WONDOCTORJ Of course the Senile Jack off flip flops! The Dumb fuck claims that Government can't run anything! Well then, why hasn't the Senile Old FUCK Denounced his Health care that he gets from being a Congressman? ROTFL!
@deeppurple28 Laugh, Ron Paul doesnt get any money from the government, the man is friggin doctor himself, you think he receives healthcare from the government?
Please visit my channel for the unpopular truth about homosexuality.
A person does not need hatred or any kind of phobia in order to acknowledge important differences between heterosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption and homosexual attraction / behavior / marriage / adoption. Even non-religious people know this.
Homosexual activists, with support from the media, have succeeded at framing themselves as noble victims; it's an effective way to push a social agenda.
Christianity does not condone war. It involves loving your fellow man and seeking to find peacefulness and understanding through diplomacy. Sure, some people are extremists and ruin the faith, just as extremist muslims or atheists have differing views. But Christianity will never indorse killing your fellow man, no matter what people may say
@maxergud try reading the bible as if all the god references and angels and entities were instead beings far more advanced than us from another place in the stars. Noahs ark was a dna bank to save human kind fromt he great flood. epic good and evil battles in the sky?? cmon ppl, its all right in front of us every god and 'vision' was alien technology, ya i said it it is possible in a galaxy thats been around who knows how much longer than earth has...think about it think think about it, i dare u
@maxergud Yes, but you understand what Paul's saying? He's suggesting that Christians are starting to put war over pro-life. I agree that the Bible gives instructions to defend yourself, neighbor, & property. However, it also gives instructions to be slow going to war, and making sure it's justified.
@burkerow it depends on the defintion of christian being debated. Christianity as the creed set forth in the 27 books that are commonly refered to as the new testement, yes. Christianity as a collection of individuals who claim to follow the creeds set forth above, no.
@threecards333 There are more than 3500 denominations that call themselves "Christian" each divided by the way they either interpret the bible or practice their religion.
Who gets to make the judgement of which individual or group of individuals are actually real Christians?
My point is that Christians who are traditional and Christians who are biblical, many are somewhere in between. There are 1,200 denominations in the US, The point is that New Testiment teaching condemns violence, that the most avid pascifist have been christians, but pascifists are oft neglected in the pages of history as historians, and people in general, seem to love warmongers. Look of the greatest presidents, all war presidents, n'est-ce pas?
@threecards333 "The point is that New Testiment teaching condemns violence"
For the most part I have no quarrel with that statement, but the bible as a whole is very violent, much of which was commanded by God himself, or so the stories say.
@burkerow - You're obviously too stupid to read. A stupid person can read but you can't. You need to repeat what other people have said. You're indoctrinated by Cultural Marxism which is precisely why you're here. That's the only reason you're here. You NEED to be here and spread agitprop. Not because you know what you're blathering about. You don't. You're functionally illiterate. You're here because you were programmed and all the while you posture knowledge you don't have.
@thomaserossi Let's see, what can I say in response to your post to me? Absolutely nothing! Why? Because you said nothing that even remotely looks like a logical argument. You never attempted to actually refute a single comment of mine.
Every sentence you wrote is nothing more than logical fallacies (ad hominem).
It's surprising that someone that only knows how to make ad hominem attacks would call the other person stupid and illiterate.
@burkerow ANYONE CAN CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS BUT VERY FEW ARE. IF YOU TAKE ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS AWAY THAT TRUE CHRISTIANS STARTED THIS WORLD WOULD BE 100 TIMES WORSE THAN IT IS NOW. A LOT OF CHURCHES WERE STARTED BY NON BELEIVERS AND THEY RUN THEM AS A BUSINESS ONLY TO MAKE TAX FREE MONEY. GOD WILL PUNISH THEM SEVERALLY . THEY ARE LITERALLY SPITTING ON JESUS. THEY COMMITTED AN UNFORGIVEABLE SIN.
@tyebrown04 "ANYONE CAN CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS BUT VERY FEW ARE"
Are you God? If not, I don't think you get to be the one to make that judgement.
You are just like the Muslim who says that his Middle Eastern cohort that practices "honor killing" is not a Muslim when the killer in fact uses the Koran to justify the killing.
I say, if a person says he is Christian, as far as anyone else is concerned he is. It's up to God, if there is one, to judge him.
There are solid scientific ways to absolutely prove God. Bible prophecy is one way. Atheism, on the other hand, is a faith that is emotional by nature. The faith in evolutionism, held by atheists, is a faith in mythological creatures that have no fossil record. Fabricated “missing links” consistently turn out to be hoaxes and hype. Logic dictates, "Since monkeys evolved into humans, there are no more monkeys."
@tyebrown04 "EVERYONE OF THEM CAME TRUE EXACTLY AS GOD SPOKE THEM."
Oh, okay, that sure clears it up for me, (sarcasm).
You din't even begin to answer my question.
Try being specific. Pick your favorite biblical prophecy, give me the reference, ie the book and verse, then tell me how you know the prophecy came true.
@BrandyConnery The very fact you think that evolution states that "monkeys evolved into humans" and thevlogic dictates there should be no more monkeys, reveals your absolute ignorance of evolution science.
The proto-humans that evolved into us are extinct. Somewhere between 6 and 8 mya a common ancestor to human and chimpanzee lived.
Our primordial ancestors can be seen in the fossil record, and our relation to chimpanzee can be verified in our DNA.
The problem is over generalization. The word "Christian" include fundamentalists, evangelist, moderate, and others.
What people call themselves are highly inaccurate as self definition are often highly subjective. Two evangelical christians will give different answers to the same question related to religion.
It is part of the flaw of religion to not regulate itself, instead we often hear Christians condemning other Christians as not "true" Christians. Basically push responsibilities away.
I'm not quoting wikipedia at all. Unlike you I'm an actual agnostic. I'm quoting the creator of the word and the philosophy behind it. Gnostic entered English as a description of a certain set of religious beliefs and has always been used that way (e.g. The Gnostic Gospels). And "agnosticism" runs far deeper than the mere question of god's existence. I understand that atheists have laboured mightily to change the words definition, but that's why we agnostics can't stand you guys.
@ehmunro I beg your pardon but currently agnosticism is clearly defined as that knowing the existence of a Deity is impossible, i.e. we cannot know if there is or isn't a God.
Another definition exist, namely we don't yet know.
But in no way should you claim now living atheists attempting to change the definition. We simply use the current definition. If you think it inaccurately describes you, then don't use it. The root of a word says little about it's current meaning.
@Solensherre The definition of the word agnostic was very clear, and rather little changed until this decade, when one of the stupidest philosophy students in the history of humankind began calling himself an "agnostic" in spite of the fact that he's actually an atheist. And he did it precisely to change the meaning of the word. The only people that use the the word in the narrowly, and badly, defined way you're using gnostic/agnostic are you new atheist types that can't be bothered to learn.
@ehmunro Out of curiosity, which philosophy student?
Also, that's wrong, Bertrand Russell, for example, said he was an agnostic but the word atheist conveyed his thoughts more clearly to the man on the street. Perhaps you mean last century, which doesn't actually support your argument.
If I continue with the definition of Russell, then agnosticism does not actually say anything about whetehr or not you believe, and is therefore an epistemological position, rather than an answer.
@ehmunro But basically yes I agree that it is not simply an answer to the question of God, but then when it is almost always used as an answer to the God question atheists and theists alike must respond to it as such. Claiming it has not changed does not in fact mean that it is not being used as such today.
@TheAtheologian Sorry, forgot 2 things: A. I am Solensherre (which sounds much cooler in norwegian) and B. Even Huxley used the word in context of God, even if it was expanded to desribe a more fundamental approach to knowledge in general.
it's a shame evolution just so happens to impinge on religious belief... it brought out all the lunatics out of the wood work who are pursuing an ignorance based attack on science... hopefully they won't start burning books
@ab330 to be fair, it is just as likely athiests may also start burning books, such as the works of Dr. Steven Meyer, Dr. Behe, etc. we as a nation NEED to sit down and rationally discuss these issues, the problem is that an average american knows little about the science behind Evolution or the actual arguments of Intelligent Design. I am currently studying bio-chem, and I am uncertain still what to think about this debate. I will not believe based upon purely authority, whch is what you are
Supporting war based on "it is your Christian duty" IS Jihad. It is conducting the war on the basis of religion, yet your not fighting in the Christian army, the Catholic armies of the Medieval age, nor are you a member of the Pope's Swiss Guard. The US military has a sworn duty to protect the freedom of all religion and yes many of the soldiers are Chrsitian but so too are many who not even religious. Having the US army fight religious wars will only ruin America, not save it.
Ron Paul is on record for disagreeing with scientists on the Theory of Evolution. Wonder where he stands on the Germ Theory as a Medical doc? Gravitational Theory, Endosymbiont Theory, Cell Theory or any other scientific theory?
@saxmanchiro John Lennox, Antony Flew, and many, many other brilliant men also disagree with the theory of macroevolution - the evolution of one species to a different species. Microevolution is observable. Macroevolution is unproven. I guess that means you have always been and will remain a jackass.
@miazagora Do you know where he stands on other scientific theories? I would love to know since the most studied and supported of all scientific theories is the T of E. As to macro and micro-evolution, those terms are never used within bio circles. I know, I have been within this field for 40 yrs now. The only people who use them are people who don't want evolution to be true. Facts don't go away because they are ignored. I think Ron Paul is a liar and hypocrite plus add panderer to the herd.
evangelical christians are so pro-war and so pro-killing those who don't think like them. Jesus said love your enemies but it is the opposite when it comes to christians of today, which makes think that they jesus they are purport to love is really the false jesus, the anti-christ.
Hagee and robertson and most peachers are war mongers and preaching the word of the anti-christ. they are leading their flocks to hell with them. No one can say I was told to, we all can think for ourselves
@glower125 I'm an evangelical Christian, and I'm so gonna vote for Ron Paul in 2012, if the power elite haven't tried to off him, or crash the economy, or whatever they'll try to do to keep him out of office.
@MichaelnChristine Well, neither one of us really know the truth for sure, but show me another politician that has had the same track record for so long of trying to stand for freedom. At least if he gets in, but nothing changes except for the worst, at least we wouldn't have to speculate anymore.
@glower125 there are certainly some nutso Christians out there but here's the problem: there are so many just like them everywhere else with different faiths, values, beliefs, and bents in the world. We tend to focus on the extremes. I'm a Christian who's not pro-war, not pro-gun, and not even really conservative. There's a whole lot more like me, too, both in my church and in my community. Be careful not to generalize us: it's like saying all Islamists are extremists. It's simply not true.
Ron Paul is a qualified medical doctor and an expert in the Austrian school of economics. He has more intelligence in his ass hair than Bush has in his entire family.
Other than that yeah everything you said is true... : - /
@LibertyAtYourService you're right, it is annoying as hell when people call others stupid just because they don't agree with them. Ron Paul is a smart man...He is just absolutely fucking nuttier than squirrel shit :) And P.S. being an expert in Austrian Economics is about as useful as a poopy flavored lolly pop. That's why it is only taught at a hand full of joke colleges.
@LibertyAtYourService Evangelical Christians are NOT doing a very good job in spreading the word if some people think the U.S. government has a responsibility to prevent abortion by making it a law. Abortion is the result of a woman's decision. Personally, I don't like abortion, but how can we convince or force people to make decisions that we feel are right?
@LibertyAtYourService "expert in the Austrian school of economics." - The Austrian school of economics base based on ignoring empirical evidencek, so...
@Martexas1 yeah, both are from Texas, but one is dumber than a door nob, and the other is crazier than Gary Busey! OOOHH that's right I said it, a Gary Busey joke, accident my ass, that guy is just insane
Dr. David Duke's latest video on his youtube channel titled "Top Rabbi Exposes Jewish Racism" is a block buster. He gets 75 like votes for every single dislike vote
Ron Paul isn't exactly of the same mind as the founding fathers, as the founding fathers who were actually theists were just deists. Though he has his mind in the right place when he says that we shouldn't use religion to influence our military policy, he definitely has his mind where the founding fathers had theirs with that regard. Too bad that didnt extend to dont ask don't tell.
@spartacandream He is absolutely of the same mind as the founding fathers. In spite of 200+ years of progress. Young earth creationist? Pathetically stupid or a liar. He's one or the other.
@MichaelnChristine actually he is a bit off with the founding fathers. In fact Ron Paul would be seen as a bit too liberal even for Jefferson's tastes.
@laxguy22655 Since most of the founding fathers of the USA were intellectuals and irreligious for their time I think we can safely assume that they'd be Atheists, scientists and would find the idea of Biblical literalism more than a little pathetic. Moreover Jefferson shrunk the military by +50% which means, by definition, he would not be a modern republican.
@MichaelnChristine Actually the part I was referring to was the fact the founding father's never trusted the people. Hence why we live in a republic and not a democracy. Yes it has become more democratic over the years, but the country has also gone down the tubes. Democracy as the founding father's saw it, is mob rule and people tend to vote based on popularity. Honestly, I think the founding father's would be agnostics more then they would be atheists.
Atheist Vs Agnostic is a false dichotomy. Theist Vs Atheist, Gnostic Vs Agnostic would be accurate. I am an atheist and agnostic. I acknowledge the limits of my knowledge on the subject but see no reason to believe superstitions of any sort on insufficient evidence. If someone gives me a definition of god, like God is the creative force with in each of us or God is love I'll say yes I believe in those but I don't see the need to call it God. I suspect Franklin and Jefferson were of this mind
@nikkisixxual I've read about it while trying to figure out how Einstein could have been religious. God as metaphor for nature. We have a word for nature so I guess I just don't see the point in adding the baggage of wrath, judgement etc... on top of a perfectly good concept. Did I miss something more in-depth/profound? Any book recommendations?
Well you don't equate the universe as being conscious. It simply is God in the fact that it allows for us to exist. There's no good or evil in pantheism. God is a substance of infinite attributes.
@nikkisixxual Religion is simply a last resort distraction used to try and discredit someone during a debate. President Obama claims to be a Christian, but rarely goes to church and may be a Muslim. Is that the reason America is mad at Obama? No! We're sick of the false promises and lies from someone who claimed to be different from Bush.
The problem is that he is black. This is just a known truth. Even before he had the chance to do anything, people were making outrageous claims about him. He went to church as regularly as most Christians do, and this is very well known. Every promise he has made, has been stifled by congress, particularly on healthcare. Now instead of his great original plan, we have a shitty bill that was written by Mitt Romney. Evangelicals are also not Christians. They're evil.
@nikkisixxual I'd say it's the opposite, Obama's race was beneficial to his campaign. I had many friends who voted for Obama because he was African American and because he was the best alternative to the pro-war Zionist McCain. Looking ahead, Obama probably won't be re-elected. If democrats and republicans don't pool their votes to elect Ron Paul, we may end up with Romney for president and nobody wants that!
@nikkisixxual Dude, many people voted for him because of his race, largely to make them feel better about themselves like they were giving to charity.
People have been handling him with kid gloves because of this. Anyone who was critical of him in his first year was called a racist. Even today people are blaming his policies and the economy on Bush. It's ridiculous.
Seems liberals think blacks are too incompetent to be treated with the same criticism as whites. Rather telling if you ask me.
@MichaelnChristine Yup. It's knowledge vs belief. It's apples and oranges. You can be an agnostic theist too. I don't mind these people. They're not the scary people and ones who admit their agnosticism, I have respect for.
It's easy to say, "I believe in god 'cause I KNOW."
And when I get pregnant eventually, I'm trekking down to Texas, so Dr. Paul can by my obstetrician.
If you can trust a man with the US budget, you can trust him with your junk.
@MichaelnChristine Eh , Atheists believe that there is NO god . Agnostics Don't believe in a particular god however they aren't arrogant enough to rule out the possibility that there is a higher power, that its possible that a being vastly more intelligent and vastly more POWERFUL than we are has created life and or possibly entire civilizations. Being Athiest and Gnostic would be fairly difficult. Since Atheists are just as arrogant and in my opinion short sited as some religious zealots
@Wonglow Bullshit. Atheism is only a belief if Bald is a hair color and not-playing-chess is a hobby. Agnostic Vs Gnostic = terms refering to knowledge. Theist Vs. Atheist = a statement of belief in Gods or the lack of that belief. To be an Atheist is to say "I've heard the claim "God exsists" and I don't believe it." It is not a belief, it's a lack of belief, hence the prefix "A".
@MichaelnChristine Exactly. This internet generation especially tends to mix these words up. It's so rampant in fact, I wouldn't be surprise if 20 years from now their made up definition of these words actually ends up becoming the real definition as has happened before in the English Language.
@MichaelnChristine You can't be atheist AND agnostic. Athiest equals the denial of a higher power and Agnostic equals the belief that whether there is a higher power or not can never be proven. You can only be one or the other. I know that online dictionaries sometimes mix these words up, but if you get yourself a REAL old fashioned dictionary from the olden days you'll see that "agnostic athiest" is an oxymoron. It's only this generation that has managed to mix these words up.
@MichaelnChristine 1 Cor. 13 tells us that God is love. The love you may share with another has been endowed by God. The Bible tells us that we love because He first loved us. I'm sorry but you cannot be both Atheist and Agnostic at the same time. Their very definitions cannot coexist for a single individual. Atheists believe there is no God. Agnostics believe there is a God but don't necessarily know what that God is; in general, they're searching.
@gracemarkey Agnostic: a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study. This is not just about God. Atheist is defined as - Someone lacking belief in God or Gods. I do not believe in God, but I claim don't claim to know God doesn't exist. So I am an Agnostic Atheists.by definition. Please educate yourself before lecturing. Using incorrect definitions of words to "correct" someone is foolish. You can do better.
@UnbIacken Are you you suggesting I've been promoted to 1st mate? Or are you saying that love is merely and emotion and emotions arise from the brain? Love =/= sex. I love my dog and my mother and wouldn't mate with either. Not trying to be rude, just unsure what you are saying.
@MichaelnChristine I don't know what the fuck that first mate comment was about but loving a person and loving a dog or pet or family is different. Different chemicals react. THe ones you feel for another person that you want to mate is chemical A. Chemical B is for the "love" you'd feel for an animal or an object or family. If you understand what the hell I mean you'd know that the love you feel for say a girlfriend is not the same for your mother. Understand?
@UnbIacken What does any of that have to do with agnostic vs atheist? Also what, in your mind, is A and B? Dopamine is dompamine, Serotonin is serotonin, Oxytocin, Vasopressin etc... are ll the same chemicals. Clearly your parents don't arouse you but I know of no chemical difference between love of a mother and love of a wife, with the one exception of sexual arousal. Then again "horny" and "love' have nothing to do with one another. I've slept with lots of people I didn't love.
@MichaelnChristine i know unblacken is an asshole but he's right. if you want to know more go read a book and don't even bother commenting to prevent yourself from looking like a jackass
@Iiveforepicness Using a second account to cover your slip/nonsequiter is sort of pathetic. Love/mating/brain chemistry has nothing to do with this discussion. That's like answering "who do you like better Dave or Bob?" with "I like fish sticks."
@DarkTempIarKain On what? You aren't actually talking to me. The discussion was Atheism vs Theism etc...and now you under your accounts are yammering about love and psychology and and boring ad hominem attacks. LOL Pick a subject kid.
@MichaelnChristine And I'm not even trolling, nonetheless being successful. It seems like your losing because I'm calm and you don't even stick with the topic and saying stuff like "ur getin owned" etc. Learn to argue, not fight like a child. Islam is right and has won.
@MichaelnChristine First off there's no relation between gnosticism and agnosticism outside the greek root. The former term was coined Henry More in the 17th century to describe a particular set of esoteric religious beliefs and the latter term refers to a philosophy developed by Thomas Huxley in the 19th century. Second, one can not be both atheist and agnostic. Agnosticism is, as Huxley defined it, the theory that one should not pretend to surety where none exists.
@ehmunro I'm sorry that isn't true. It doesn't matter what idiosyncratic usage anybody has. Words have definitions. Gnostic means simply " of or relating to knowledge" and Agnostic means "not relating to knowledge". So if you say I am Agnostic on the subject of birds you are saying I don't have knowledge about Birds. I lack knowledge of Gd and I am not a theist and as such I am both Agnostic and Atheist.
@MichaelnChristine That is absolutely not what Gnostic means. The Greek root (gnostikos) has that meaning amongst others. But Gnostic has, in English, referred to a certain set of religious beliefs. And has since More introduced the term to the English language in the 17th century. And agnosticism is a word that was invented by Thomas Huxley, so any definition that you're using of it, that doesn't line up with the philosophy as Huxley defined it, is the idiosyncratic usage. You're 100% wrong
@ehmunro Due respect but you are harping on one man's usage, and are quoting Wikipedia directly while doing it. The word is defined by the Oxford English dictionary as "A person who believes that nothing is known about the existence of God'. This is common usage for the 21st century. That said I can most certainly say "I know nothing about God, nor can and so choose not to believe your claims that it exists" which WOULD make me an Atheist and an Agnostic. Reality isn't on your side....
@ehmunro Due respect but you are harping on one man's usage, and are quoting Wikipedia directly while doing it. The word is defined by the Oxford English dictionary as "A person who believes that nothing is known about the existence of God'. This is common usage for the 21st century. That said I can most certainly say "I know nothing about God, nor can and so choose not to believe your claims that it exists" which WOULD make me an Atheist and an Agnostic. Reality isn't on your side....
@MichaelnChristine Actually Franklin and Jefferson were both very big Christians. Here are two quotes that came out their own mouth.
Jefferson- "I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
Franklin - "Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped."
@HowISeeItToday Lying is a sin bud. Quote mining is for the weak minded. "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."--BF "He (the Rev. Mr. Whitefield) used, indeed, sometimes to pray for my conversion, but never had the satisfaction of believing that his prayers were heard." Franklin's Autobiography "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies." --BF
@HowISeeItToday Cont As for TJ "Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." "To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart."
@MichaelnChristine I'm sure you have it all figured out but I was just telling you all of our founding fathers were Strong Christians and active in their community. In fact Ben Franklin spent his own money to create an event center to hold 25K in the small city of 20K of Pittsburgh just so people could come and learn of Jesus. So I mean you can support your false idols but please keep these men of God out of your atheist agenda.
@HowISeeItToday assertion without evidence, and in contrary to the man's published beliefs. Thomas Paine died a pauper because he was openly and loudly Atheist. The facts aren't on your side. Ask yourself if you faith in your god is so weak that you have to break a commandment and lie in order to justify your religious nationalism. You have the puritans and the majority of Americans, you don't need to lie about the 15% of us who think it's a myth.
@HowISeeItToday 1You have to believe in the resurrection of Jesus to be a christian. Jefferson did not believe in that superstion. That is why he wrote his own Jefferson Bible leaving out all the superstitious crap out of it and only leaving in the alleged sayings of Jesus the man. He looked at Jesus as a philosopher.
2 What does that guote by Franklin have to do with Christianity? By that quote alone, you could worship Zeus, Shiva, any god of your imagination.
@MichaelnChristine Sometimes the course of history erodes away the truth. I believe a poet once wrote of this. Those who live life with a snap-shot perspective are sometimes like the old Pollock jokes. Unfortunately, life, the universe and creation was not, is not, and will never be discreet or unanimate or mere resolution of which we can fathom. That is the most incredible form of ignorance we practice. Faith and belief has always been the top battle of humanity. Freedom be the gift.
@9b8 Faith is belief without evidence. Creationism and religion disregard evidence and therefore are a perversion of faith, not actual faith. We know the earth isn't the centre of the universe, we know that the earth isn't flat, we know we evolved and are evolving. Pretending that ignorance is a virtue or that those of us who value reality are misguided doesn't make it so. Hiding it behind poetical nonsense is just sugar-coating a poison pill.
@MichaelnChristine I would have to stop you almost before you started. More precisely, faith is not limited to only belief nor is mutually exclusive of evidence or, more precisely, knowledge. Epistemologically speaking, faith is a part of belief, which is a part of knowledge. Evidence is a part of truth, which is a part of knowledge. Science is a wonderful part of life in its pure form. But like religion, it is often used cynically. "Poetic nonsense" is a left brain dominance issue, not deceit.
@MichaelnChristine I'm sorry, I want to be clear about my last statement so as to not sound completely insultive. I meant that viewing a poetic citation as "poetic nonsense" is a left brain dominant way of thought rather than a poetic citation being deceitful. Perhaps it is useful to be a balanced thinker, using left and right where needed in order to sucessfully reason, debate and in the end communicate. It is the standard of a rounded, truly knowledgable and wise person.
@9b8 Yes and I am sure you are pretty, have a six-pack, a sports car and dance like a black-man, When you are done talking about how cool you are feel free to respond. Until then I'm sure you have a mirror somewhere.... (Poetic enough or do I need to get epic and respond in trochaic tetrameter?)
@MichaelnChristine No one here is trying to be remotely egotistical, if that is what you imply. I already responded just as serious and straight and true as can be. But rounded people who are also rounded thinkers are of value and in demand. One could dedicate life documenting and proving all things of a fruit fly, but miss the beauty of the sunrises as a consequence. Nothing wrong with knowing/proving everything about the fruit fly. Man has not even "proven" love for crying out loud.
@9b8 You are implying that being a generalist is superior to being a specialist and as a generalist you are therefore superior to me whom you perceive as a scientist and a left brained person. Just because I don't choose to be overly-flowery and more than a little pointless doesn't speak to left-brainedness. Especially considering my chosen career is as a composer, a left-handed one at that! LOL Take your pop-psychology double-talk elsewhere. You are just making yourself look like an idiot.
@MichaelnChristine Well if you are music composer that is a noble craft! But you are (and maybe on purpose) mistaking my words. Nothing wrong with a left-brained or right-brained persona. But it is foolish to argue or deny things that left-brained thinking just can't muster. As software engineer by profession and a music buff by hobby, I understand the balance and beauty of both. I sometimes spend hours at a time improvising on the piano or practicing the classics. Don't be so foolish!
@MichaelnChristine Well if you are music composer that is a noble craft! But you are (and maybe on purpose) mistaking my words. Nothing wrong with a left-brained or right-brained persona. But it is foolish to argue or deny things that left-brained thinking just can't muster. As software engineer by profession and a music buff by hobby, I understand the balance and beauty of both. I sometimes spend hours at a time improvising on the piano or practicing the classics. Don't be so foolish!
@MichaelnChristine Secondly, if you know American history the downsizing of the American forces ended up being a bad call since after Jefferson comes Madison and the war of 1812 and under trained troops made for the burning of the white house.
Religion is the method whereby humans can rationalize their awful behavior to other humans and pawn it off as good deeds. The last time religion ruled the western world, the result was the Dark Ages. For a thousand years we allowed magical thinking to retard the advancement of knowledge, and the progress of humanity.
Ignorance and superstition lurk at the fringes of our society.
"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions"
@4me2cclearly Absolutely right! The problem isn't GOD, knowing spirit, science, or anything therein but rather man's desire to manipulate! Even the great Einstein once called science a temple, implying its righteous, near sacred significance albeit dominated by logic and theory and reasoning. We are ALL guilty of finger pointing! The moment you manipulate, it is in that moment you're wicked! We all should just allow the truth - whatever it may be and whenever it is known among us.
Jesus didn't want to legislate anything.The burning political issue of Jesus' day was if Jews should go along with the Roman occupation of Israel or oppose it.Jesus didn't comment on the issue at all,he didn't care!
no, its just a position that i support, people will make their own mistakes and should PAY for their own mistakes. the question is freedom, should i have the freedom to make bad decisions? so long as i am not harming somebody with violence or burglary or rape or murder.....should I not be able to do anything consensual with another adult? mistakes included?
A historical resource is the book "Church History" by Eusebius of Caesarea, who lived from 263-339AD. This fascinating and exhaustive work is still available to us today.
It is available free as an audiobook from LibriVox.org
Damn it hes religious. :/
ModestConfidence 2 weeks ago
hes pro life but he wants the government out of our lives?
DeCavalcante 2 weeks ago
@DeCavalcante Yes.He believes in repealing Roe vs. Wade and making the issue a state matter. It's the same position he takes on the federal war on drugs. He believes these are 10th Amendment issues. "Immediately saving lives by effectively repealing Roe v. Wade and preventing activist judges from interfering with state decisions on life by removing abortion from federal court jurisdiction through legislation modeled after his “We the People Act.” ronpaul2012[dot]com
housecry 1 week ago
@DeCavalcante Because he realizes that the Constitution is a pro-life document. Arguments that support abortion are nonsense and evil in nature, to put it bluntly.
jcd0529 1 week ago
On the big issues, Ron Paul is the only sincere thoughtful one who inspires through articulation. He won't accept a job if he has to lie. He's not only talking about evangelical Christians, but anyone who aspires to be prolife who also jumps into war so easily.
rochelle1088 2 weeks ago
on the issues of science Ron Paul is no different than the other crazy Dominionists in GOP field ..... stupid clueless, uninformed Americans.
perfectbark 3 weeks ago
The just war theory is holy war. State religion in Israel and Saudi-Arabia is subsided by public money from US, and I guess it's against the Constitution. Ron Paul seems to understand better than most people that all religion is the same and cannot be trusted, so he pushes the Constitution to the top of the books. He did it during all debates ("morality isn't law, cannot be imposed") and few people gave attention to that, judging them all fanatics.
TurpentineRec 4 weeks ago
Ron Paul would do well to understand the Christian world and how it's made up. He would find a hidden constitutional giant within that camp. If that giant wakes up, our country & government can be restored. Unfortunately, John MacArthur is one of the leaders and possibly the most influential leader of this group and he's apolitical.
exiled30 1 month ago
Christians who support these unjust wars aren't being Christlike.
hortulanus94 1 month ago 4
Pro-War Christian simply equals Post Reformation Roman Catholic.
drakeshelton 1 month ago
@drakeshelton and *Pre-Reformation too. Think of the Crusades.
superclaydude 2 weeks ago
christian is the ONLY religion that accepts people from other religions to join them.try that with jews or muslim or whatever other invented cult.
locoxfiat 1 month ago
@locoxfiat Buddhism, Taoism and hinduism in all it's forms are inclusive. What's even better is that you don't have to accept anyone as your master and savior for any of those, you just have to follow certain teachings or traditions. Christianity IS the only religion founded by a pacifist that justifies waging war almost constantly.
smokydave 1 month ago
@smokydave to specify religions. i wouldnt consider buddhism/taoism a religion. its more of a practice, a discipline. well unless you look into buddhism in japan or southeast asia then yea i would consider them religions
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@locoxfiat Buddhism, Taoism and hinduism in all it's forms are inclusive. What's even better is that you don't have to accept anyone as your master and savior for any of those, you just have to follow certain teachings or traditions. Christianity ISa the only religion founded by a pacifist that justifies waging war almost constantly.
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@locoxfiat Buddhism, Taoism and hinduism in all it's forms are inclusive. What's even better is that you don't have to accept anyone as your master and savior for any of those, you just have to follow certain teachings or traditions. Christianity IS the only religion founded by a pacifist that justifies waging war almost constantly.
smokydave 1 month ago
@locoxfiat Christianity with the talking snake and magic trees and a guy living 3 days inside a whale and the big pretty boat with cute giraffes and elephants, is not an invented cult? I beg to differ.
dymchurch1 1 month ago
@locoxfiat almost every religion considers themselves as "tolerant"
Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews (naming the the major ones)
FreshTiki 1 month ago
Not surprising since the portrait painted in the old testament is a god with the intellect of a 7 year old playing with his toys(humans). Christianity is and has been just as blood thirsty as any religion. Humans will go through get lengths to justify any atrocity. At least some of us have risen above that.
plaidchuck 1 month ago
Jews are censoring Christian theologian websites. A theologian had one of his pages shut down that wrote about the deeds of Pharasees, Talmudist priests, in Israel during Christ's days,
Jews don't want the secrets of their ill deeds being revealed. Mohammed respected Jews. Christ did not. That is why we have Christianity.
sonbarably 1 month ago
if you think intelligent design is in the realm of science, then you should pick something else to study.... you can learn all you want about Intelligent design in a class that discusses the supernatural aka a religious class
ab330 1 month ago
George W Bush's OWN CHURCH ordered him not to invade Iraq, he told them to get lost! Most Christian Churches especially the Catholic Church condemned the war in Iraq. George W Bush ignored them and took orders from PNAC (Project for the New American Century) instead. PNAC is a secular organization comprised mainly of Neo-Cons. Neo-Cons are Atheistic Liberals who adopted Neo-Liberal economics and a robust foreign policy. They have nothing to do with Christianity or any other religion.
AntiFascist2011 2 months ago 2
"God is a man of war." Exodus 15:3 There is a time for war and a time for peace. Rep. Paul just said there will always be wars but certain conditions must be met CONSTITUTIONALLY. He is not against war!
OneNewManMinistriies 2 months ago
So which one ofJesus' teachings supports war? I see alot of comments saying, "go read the Bible." I did, I continue to and all I keep seeing is this "SILLY" stuff about loving your neighbor, blessing those that curse you and even worse, turning the other cheek. I think people are getting confused with seeing historical events in the old testiment(war, genocide, invasion) as an all access card to smack down 3rd world countries and the "villian du jour." America is NOT old school Israel.
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ashwadhwani 2 months ago
I am an anti-war evangelical Bible believing Christian, yes we do exist and in far greater numbers then the media would have you believe.
WorshipInTruth 2 months ago
ron paul.. the chuck norris of politics
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The funniest thing is that Thomas Jefferson was a deist who denied the divinity of Jesus and believed in complete separation of church and state. Ron Paul is a fundamentalist Christian who doesn't believe in separation of church and state and thinks that the Founding Fathers were strong Christians who intended to establish America as a Christian nation, even though they blatently asserted that America was "not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" in the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796.
CitizenOfEuphoria 3 months ago
There was only ONE Evangel, Bringer-of-Glad Tidings, and he DieD on the Cross. All the rest are Dysangels, Bringers-of-Sad-Tidings. The Resurrection is the Biggest Lie ever told in history. The Apostols Stole the Body and burned it. Mary was just a Young Woman. The Virgin Birth was a mistranslation, it was Young Woman Birth. Nothing is Permanent. God is The Universe which is First Cause of Itself and we are part of IT.
masterlessmaster 3 months ago
@masterlessmaster So...what religion is this?
FighterDoken 3 months ago
Ron Paul, speaking up against war as usual........this man is HONORABLE, and never flip flops.
RON PAUL 2012 !
WONDOCTORJ 3 months ago 30
@WONDOCTORJ Of course the Senile Jack off flip flops! The Dumb fuck claims that Government can't run anything! Well then, why hasn't the Senile Old FUCK Denounced his Health care that he gets from being a Congressman? ROTFL!
deeppurple28 2 months ago
@deeppurple28 He should get better healthcare, and a raise for all his great work in exposing the government scams.
WONDOCTORJ 2 months ago
@deeppurple28 Laugh, Ron Paul doesnt get any money from the government, the man is friggin doctor himself, you think he receives healthcare from the government?
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
Christianity does not condone war. It involves loving your fellow man and seeking to find peacefulness and understanding through diplomacy. Sure, some people are extremists and ruin the faith, just as extremist muslims or atheists have differing views. But Christianity will never indorse killing your fellow man, no matter what people may say
Lostkiwi123 4 months ago
@Lostkiwi123 Your bible begs to differ. Go read it.
maxergud 4 months ago 13
@maxergud try reading the bible as if all the god references and angels and entities were instead beings far more advanced than us from another place in the stars. Noahs ark was a dna bank to save human kind fromt he great flood. epic good and evil battles in the sky?? cmon ppl, its all right in front of us every god and 'vision' was alien technology, ya i said it it is possible in a galaxy thats been around who knows how much longer than earth has...think about it think think about it, i dare u
eyestepback 2 months ago
@maxergud Yes, but you understand what Paul's saying? He's suggesting that Christians are starting to put war over pro-life. I agree that the Bible gives instructions to defend yourself, neighbor, & property. However, it also gives instructions to be slow going to war, and making sure it's justified.
exiled30 1 month ago 3
@Lostkiwi123 "But Christianity will never indorse killing your fellow man, no matter what people may say"
Your comment is the epitome of delusional thinking. You are in total denial.
burkerow 3 months ago
@burkerow it depends on the defintion of christian being debated. Christianity as the creed set forth in the 27 books that are commonly refered to as the new testement, yes. Christianity as a collection of individuals who claim to follow the creeds set forth above, no.
threecards333 2 months ago
@threecards333 There are more than 3500 denominations that call themselves "Christian" each divided by the way they either interpret the bible or practice their religion.
Who gets to make the judgement of which individual or group of individuals are actually real Christians?
burkerow 1 month ago
@burkerow
My point is that Christians who are traditional and Christians who are biblical, many are somewhere in between. There are 1,200 denominations in the US, The point is that New Testiment teaching condemns violence, that the most avid pascifist have been christians, but pascifists are oft neglected in the pages of history as historians, and people in general, seem to love warmongers. Look of the greatest presidents, all war presidents, n'est-ce pas?
threecards333 1 month ago
@threecards333 "The point is that New Testiment teaching condemns violence"
For the most part I have no quarrel with that statement, but the bible as a whole is very violent, much of which was commanded by God himself, or so the stories say.
burkerow 1 month ago
@burkerow - You're obviously too stupid to read. A stupid person can read but you can't. You need to repeat what other people have said. You're indoctrinated by Cultural Marxism which is precisely why you're here. That's the only reason you're here. You NEED to be here and spread agitprop. Not because you know what you're blathering about. You don't. You're functionally illiterate. You're here because you were programmed and all the while you posture knowledge you don't have.
thomaserossi 1 month ago
@thomaserossi Let's see, what can I say in response to your post to me? Absolutely nothing! Why? Because you said nothing that even remotely looks like a logical argument. You never attempted to actually refute a single comment of mine.
Every sentence you wrote is nothing more than logical fallacies (ad hominem).
It's surprising that someone that only knows how to make ad hominem attacks would call the other person stupid and illiterate.
burkerow 1 month ago
@burkerow ANYONE CAN CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS BUT VERY FEW ARE. IF YOU TAKE ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS AWAY THAT TRUE CHRISTIANS STARTED THIS WORLD WOULD BE 100 TIMES WORSE THAN IT IS NOW. A LOT OF CHURCHES WERE STARTED BY NON BELEIVERS AND THEY RUN THEM AS A BUSINESS ONLY TO MAKE TAX FREE MONEY. GOD WILL PUNISH THEM SEVERALLY . THEY ARE LITERALLY SPITTING ON JESUS. THEY COMMITTED AN UNFORGIVEABLE SIN.
tyebrown04 1 month ago
@tyebrown04 "ANYONE CAN CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS BUT VERY FEW ARE"
Are you God? If not, I don't think you get to be the one to make that judgement.
You are just like the Muslim who says that his Middle Eastern cohort that practices "honor killing" is not a Muslim when the killer in fact uses the Koran to justify the killing.
I say, if a person says he is Christian, as far as anyone else is concerned he is. It's up to God, if there is one, to judge him.
BTW, is your caps lock key stuck?
burkerow 1 month ago
There are solid scientific ways to absolutely prove God. Bible prophecy is one way. Atheism, on the other hand, is a faith that is emotional by nature. The faith in evolutionism, held by atheists, is a faith in mythological creatures that have no fossil record. Fabricated “missing links” consistently turn out to be hoaxes and hype. Logic dictates, "Since monkeys evolved into humans, there are no more monkeys."
BrandyConnery 4 months ago
@BrandyConnery I don't think science means what you think it means.
rgmztxy 3 months ago
@BrandyConnery Tell me one Biblical prophecy that has come true.
burkerow 1 month ago
@burkerow
EVERYONE OF THEM CAME TRUE EXACTLY AS GOD SPOKE THEM.
tyebrown04 1 month ago
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@tyebrown04 "EVERYONE OF THEM CAME TRUE EXACTLY AS GOD SPOKE THEM."
Oh, okay, that sure clears it up for me, (sarcasm).
You din't even begin to answer my question.
Try being specific. Pick your favorite biblical prophecy, give me the reference, ie the book and verse, then tell me how you know the prophecy came true.
I'm only asking for one. It should be easy.
burkerow 1 month ago
@BrandyConnery The very fact you think that evolution states that "monkeys evolved into humans" and thevlogic dictates there should be no more monkeys, reveals your absolute ignorance of evolution science.
The proto-humans that evolved into us are extinct. Somewhere between 6 and 8 mya a common ancestor to human and chimpanzee lived.
Our primordial ancestors can be seen in the fossil record, and our relation to chimpanzee can be verified in our DNA.
But you will remain willfully ignorant.
burkerow 1 month ago
The problem is over generalization. The word "Christian" include fundamentalists, evangelist, moderate, and others.
What people call themselves are highly inaccurate as self definition are often highly subjective. Two evangelical christians will give different answers to the same question related to religion.
It is part of the flaw of religion to not regulate itself, instead we often hear Christians condemning other Christians as not "true" Christians. Basically push responsibilities away.
Neosaigo 4 months ago
I'm not quoting wikipedia at all. Unlike you I'm an actual agnostic. I'm quoting the creator of the word and the philosophy behind it. Gnostic entered English as a description of a certain set of religious beliefs and has always been used that way (e.g. The Gnostic Gospels). And "agnosticism" runs far deeper than the mere question of god's existence. I understand that atheists have laboured mightily to change the words definition, but that's why we agnostics can't stand you guys.
ehmunro 4 months ago
@ehmunro I beg your pardon but currently agnosticism is clearly defined as that knowing the existence of a Deity is impossible, i.e. we cannot know if there is or isn't a God.
Another definition exist, namely we don't yet know.
But in no way should you claim now living atheists attempting to change the definition. We simply use the current definition. If you think it inaccurately describes you, then don't use it. The root of a word says little about it's current meaning.
Solensherre 4 months ago
@Solensherre The definition of the word agnostic was very clear, and rather little changed until this decade, when one of the stupidest philosophy students in the history of humankind began calling himself an "agnostic" in spite of the fact that he's actually an atheist. And he did it precisely to change the meaning of the word. The only people that use the the word in the narrowly, and badly, defined way you're using gnostic/agnostic are you new atheist types that can't be bothered to learn.
ehmunro 2 months ago
@ehmunro Out of curiosity, which philosophy student?
Also, that's wrong, Bertrand Russell, for example, said he was an agnostic but the word atheist conveyed his thoughts more clearly to the man on the street. Perhaps you mean last century, which doesn't actually support your argument.
If I continue with the definition of Russell, then agnosticism does not actually say anything about whetehr or not you believe, and is therefore an epistemological position, rather than an answer.
TheAtheologian 2 months ago
@ehmunro But basically yes I agree that it is not simply an answer to the question of God, but then when it is almost always used as an answer to the God question atheists and theists alike must respond to it as such. Claiming it has not changed does not in fact mean that it is not being used as such today.
TheAtheologian 2 months ago
@TheAtheologian Sorry, forgot 2 things: A. I am Solensherre (which sounds much cooler in norwegian) and B. Even Huxley used the word in context of God, even if it was expanded to desribe a more fundamental approach to knowledge in general.
TheAtheologian 2 months ago
How is this dude not our president!
goodvibesallround 4 months ago
it's a shame evolution just so happens to impinge on religious belief... it brought out all the lunatics out of the wood work who are pursuing an ignorance based attack on science... hopefully they won't start burning books
ab330 4 months ago
@ab330 to be fair, it is just as likely athiests may also start burning books, such as the works of Dr. Steven Meyer, Dr. Behe, etc. we as a nation NEED to sit down and rationally discuss these issues, the problem is that an average american knows little about the science behind Evolution or the actual arguments of Intelligent Design. I am currently studying bio-chem, and I am uncertain still what to think about this debate. I will not believe based upon purely authority, whch is what you are
threecards333 2 months ago
Supporting war based on "it is your Christian duty" IS Jihad. It is conducting the war on the basis of religion, yet your not fighting in the Christian army, the Catholic armies of the Medieval age, nor are you a member of the Pope's Swiss Guard. The US military has a sworn duty to protect the freedom of all religion and yes many of the soldiers are Chrsitian but so too are many who not even religious. Having the US army fight religious wars will only ruin America, not save it.
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exposingthemachine 5 months ago
Ron Paul is on record for disagreeing with scientists on the Theory of Evolution. Wonder where he stands on the Germ Theory as a Medical doc? Gravitational Theory, Endosymbiont Theory, Cell Theory or any other scientific theory?
saxmanchiro 5 months ago
@saxmanchiro John Lennox, Antony Flew, and many, many other brilliant men also disagree with the theory of macroevolution - the evolution of one species to a different species. Microevolution is observable. Macroevolution is unproven. I guess that means you have always been and will remain a jackass.
miazagora 5 months ago
@miazagora Do you know where he stands on other scientific theories? I would love to know since the most studied and supported of all scientific theories is the T of E. As to macro and micro-evolution, those terms are never used within bio circles. I know, I have been within this field for 40 yrs now. The only people who use them are people who don't want evolution to be true. Facts don't go away because they are ignored. I think Ron Paul is a liar and hypocrite plus add panderer to the herd.
saxmanchiro 5 months ago
What a tool....
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
evangelical christians are so pro-war and so pro-killing those who don't think like them. Jesus said love your enemies but it is the opposite when it comes to christians of today, which makes think that they jesus they are purport to love is really the false jesus, the anti-christ.
Hagee and robertson and most peachers are war mongers and preaching the word of the anti-christ. they are leading their flocks to hell with them. No one can say I was told to, we all can think for ourselves
glower125 9 months ago
@glower125 I'm an evangelical Christian, and I'm so gonna vote for Ron Paul in 2012, if the power elite haven't tried to off him, or crash the economy, or whatever they'll try to do to keep him out of office.
psxwarrior 8 months ago
@psxwarrior It's cute that you don't think he's part of the elite. LOL
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Well, neither one of us really know the truth for sure, but show me another politician that has had the same track record for so long of trying to stand for freedom. At least if he gets in, but nothing changes except for the worst, at least we wouldn't have to speculate anymore.
psxwarrior 7 months ago
@psxwarrior "Stand for freedom"? LOL "Gets in"? ROFL Man....you better stick to praying for change.
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@glower125 there are certainly some nutso Christians out there but here's the problem: there are so many just like them everywhere else with different faiths, values, beliefs, and bents in the world. We tend to focus on the extremes. I'm a Christian who's not pro-war, not pro-gun, and not even really conservative. There's a whole lot more like me, too, both in my church and in my community. Be careful not to generalize us: it's like saying all Islamists are extremists. It's simply not true.
gracemarkey 7 months ago
The only thing that makes Ron Paul different than Bush is Paul is more Libertarian.
fatfatat444 1 year ago
@fatfatat444
....are you kidding me?
Ron Paul is a qualified medical doctor and an expert in the Austrian school of economics. He has more intelligence in his ass hair than Bush has in his entire family.
Other than that yeah everything you said is true... : - /
LibertyAtYourService 1 year ago 24
@LibertyAtYourService you're right, it is annoying as hell when people call others stupid just because they don't agree with them. Ron Paul is a smart man...He is just absolutely fucking nuttier than squirrel shit :) And P.S. being an expert in Austrian Economics is about as useful as a poopy flavored lolly pop. That's why it is only taught at a hand full of joke colleges.
durhamdf 10 months ago
@LibertyAtYourService Evangelical Christians are NOT doing a very good job in spreading the word if some people think the U.S. government has a responsibility to prevent abortion by making it a law. Abortion is the result of a woman's decision. Personally, I don't like abortion, but how can we convince or force people to make decisions that we feel are right?
hectorsalinasisback 9 months ago
@LibertyAtYourService Lol Well put!
withtheoldbreed 8 months ago
@LibertyAtYourService "expert in the Austrian school of economics." - The Austrian school of economics base based on ignoring empirical evidencek, so...
phreon 7 months ago
@LibertyAtYourService Yes he's a qualified Dr., and so is his son Rand Paul who's also a congressman in the state of KY.......
Chuck50D 4 months ago
@fatfatat444 Wow then I guess you have alot more diving into this whole subject to do. Ron Paul and Bush are two completely different human beings.
Martexas1 10 months ago
@Martexas1 yeah, both are from Texas, but one is dumber than a door nob, and the other is crazier than Gary Busey! OOOHH that's right I said it, a Gary Busey joke, accident my ass, that guy is just insane
durhamdf 10 months ago
christian just war theory in a nut shell: not christian, ok invade and spread jesus around.
Jus ad bellum is not a christian idea in fact it is fairly recent. America has not fought a single war that falls into any of the criteria
laxguy22655 1 year ago
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2ndSamuel710 1 year ago
Ron Paul isn't exactly of the same mind as the founding fathers, as the founding fathers who were actually theists were just deists. Though he has his mind in the right place when he says that we shouldn't use religion to influence our military policy, he definitely has his mind where the founding fathers had theirs with that regard. Too bad that didnt extend to dont ask don't tell.
spartacandream 1 year ago
@spartacandream He is absolutely of the same mind as the founding fathers. In spite of 200+ years of progress. Young earth creationist? Pathetically stupid or a liar. He's one or the other.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine actually he is a bit off with the founding fathers. In fact Ron Paul would be seen as a bit too liberal even for Jefferson's tastes.
laxguy22655 1 year ago
@laxguy22655 Since most of the founding fathers of the USA were intellectuals and irreligious for their time I think we can safely assume that they'd be Atheists, scientists and would find the idea of Biblical literalism more than a little pathetic. Moreover Jefferson shrunk the military by +50% which means, by definition, he would not be a modern republican.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
@MichaelnChristine Actually the part I was referring to was the fact the founding father's never trusted the people. Hence why we live in a republic and not a democracy. Yes it has become more democratic over the years, but the country has also gone down the tubes. Democracy as the founding father's saw it, is mob rule and people tend to vote based on popularity. Honestly, I think the founding father's would be agnostics more then they would be atheists.
laxguy22655 1 year ago
Atheist Vs Agnostic is a false dichotomy. Theist Vs Atheist, Gnostic Vs Agnostic would be accurate. I am an atheist and agnostic. I acknowledge the limits of my knowledge on the subject but see no reason to believe superstitions of any sort on insufficient evidence. If someone gives me a definition of god, like God is the creative force with in each of us or God is love I'll say yes I believe in those but I don't see the need to call it God. I suspect Franklin and Jefferson were of this mind
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago 21
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I'm an atheist as well, but you may want to research pantheism. It really is an interesting definition of God.
nikkisixxual 10 months ago
@nikkisixxual I've read about it while trying to figure out how Einstein could have been religious. God as metaphor for nature. We have a word for nature so I guess I just don't see the point in adding the baggage of wrath, judgement etc... on top of a perfectly good concept. Did I miss something more in-depth/profound? Any book recommendations?
MichaelnChristine 10 months ago
@MichaelnChristine
Well you don't equate the universe as being conscious. It simply is God in the fact that it allows for us to exist. There's no good or evil in pantheism. God is a substance of infinite attributes.
nikkisixxual 10 months ago
@nikkisixxual Religion is simply a last resort distraction used to try and discredit someone during a debate. President Obama claims to be a Christian, but rarely goes to church and may be a Muslim. Is that the reason America is mad at Obama? No! We're sick of the false promises and lies from someone who claimed to be different from Bush.
hectorsalinasisback 9 months ago
@hectorsalinasisback
The problem is that he is black. This is just a known truth. Even before he had the chance to do anything, people were making outrageous claims about him. He went to church as regularly as most Christians do, and this is very well known. Every promise he has made, has been stifled by congress, particularly on healthcare. Now instead of his great original plan, we have a shitty bill that was written by Mitt Romney. Evangelicals are also not Christians. They're evil.
nikkisixxual 9 months ago
@nikkisixxual I'd say it's the opposite, Obama's race was beneficial to his campaign. I had many friends who voted for Obama because he was African American and because he was the best alternative to the pro-war Zionist McCain. Looking ahead, Obama probably won't be re-elected. If democrats and republicans don't pool their votes to elect Ron Paul, we may end up with Romney for president and nobody wants that!
hectorsalinasisback 9 months ago
@nikkisixxual Dude, many people voted for him because of his race, largely to make them feel better about themselves like they were giving to charity.
People have been handling him with kid gloves because of this. Anyone who was critical of him in his first year was called a racist. Even today people are blaming his policies and the economy on Bush. It's ridiculous.
Seems liberals think blacks are too incompetent to be treated with the same criticism as whites. Rather telling if you ask me.
AshillaBeige 9 months ago
@MichaelnChristine
Oh books. Spinoza was the philosopher behind the sentiment, so Spinoza's Ethics is the best place to start.
nikkisixxual 10 months ago
@nikkisixxual Excellent taste. I've read B. Spinoza. Great man...shame what they tried to do to him, shame what they did to him.
MichaelnChristine 10 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Yup. It's knowledge vs belief. It's apples and oranges. You can be an agnostic theist too. I don't mind these people. They're not the scary people and ones who admit their agnosticism, I have respect for.
It's easy to say, "I believe in god 'cause I KNOW."
And when I get pregnant eventually, I'm trekking down to Texas, so Dr. Paul can by my obstetrician.
If you can trust a man with the US budget, you can trust him with your junk.
AshillaBeige 9 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Eh , Atheists believe that there is NO god . Agnostics Don't believe in a particular god however they aren't arrogant enough to rule out the possibility that there is a higher power, that its possible that a being vastly more intelligent and vastly more POWERFUL than we are has created life and or possibly entire civilizations. Being Athiest and Gnostic would be fairly difficult. Since Atheists are just as arrogant and in my opinion short sited as some religious zealots
Wonglow 7 months ago
@Wonglow Bullshit. Atheism is only a belief if Bald is a hair color and not-playing-chess is a hobby. Agnostic Vs Gnostic = terms refering to knowledge. Theist Vs. Atheist = a statement of belief in Gods or the lack of that belief. To be an Atheist is to say "I've heard the claim "God exsists" and I don't believe it." It is not a belief, it's a lack of belief, hence the prefix "A".
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Exactly. This internet generation especially tends to mix these words up. It's so rampant in fact, I wouldn't be surprise if 20 years from now their made up definition of these words actually ends up becoming the real definition as has happened before in the English Language.
lauraleesmithagain 7 months ago
@lauraleesmithagain It's one thing to not know something. It's another to correct people who do. It's odd....
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine You can't be atheist AND agnostic. Athiest equals the denial of a higher power and Agnostic equals the belief that whether there is a higher power or not can never be proven. You can only be one or the other. I know that online dictionaries sometimes mix these words up, but if you get yourself a REAL old fashioned dictionary from the olden days you'll see that "agnostic athiest" is an oxymoron. It's only this generation that has managed to mix these words up.
lauraleesmithagain 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine 1 Cor. 13 tells us that God is love. The love you may share with another has been endowed by God. The Bible tells us that we love because He first loved us. I'm sorry but you cannot be both Atheist and Agnostic at the same time. Their very definitions cannot coexist for a single individual. Atheists believe there is no God. Agnostics believe there is a God but don't necessarily know what that God is; in general, they're searching.
gracemarkey 7 months ago
@gracemarkey Agnostic: a person who denies or doubts the possibility of ultimate knowledge in some area of study. This is not just about God. Atheist is defined as - Someone lacking belief in God or Gods. I do not believe in God, but I claim don't claim to know God doesn't exist. So I am an Agnostic Atheists.by definition. Please educate yourself before lecturing. Using incorrect definitions of words to "correct" someone is foolish. You can do better.
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Ron paul is stupid. allah ackbar
DarkTempIarKain 7 months ago
@DarkTempIarKain I agree
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine so are non muslims
DarkTempIarKain 7 months ago
@DarkTempIarKain Are you trying to imply Ron Paul is a Muslim? LOL
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine i don't know how I implied that. i said ron is stupid and so are non muslims. so no. muslims are superior anyway
DarkTempIarKain 7 months ago
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@DarkTempIarKain Trolol How many accounts do you have?
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
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@MichaelnChristine whats wrong? cat got your tongue? hahaa
DarkTempIarKain 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine love is an emotion made from chemicals in your brain promoting you to mate
UnbIacken 7 months ago
@UnbIacken Are you you suggesting I've been promoted to 1st mate? Or are you saying that love is merely and emotion and emotions arise from the brain? Love =/= sex. I love my dog and my mother and wouldn't mate with either. Not trying to be rude, just unsure what you are saying.
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine I don't know what the fuck that first mate comment was about but loving a person and loving a dog or pet or family is different. Different chemicals react. THe ones you feel for another person that you want to mate is chemical A. Chemical B is for the "love" you'd feel for an animal or an object or family. If you understand what the hell I mean you'd know that the love you feel for say a girlfriend is not the same for your mother. Understand?
UnbIacken 7 months ago
@UnbIacken What does any of that have to do with agnostic vs atheist? Also what, in your mind, is A and B? Dopamine is dompamine, Serotonin is serotonin, Oxytocin, Vasopressin etc... are ll the same chemicals. Clearly your parents don't arouse you but I know of no chemical difference between love of a mother and love of a wife, with the one exception of sexual arousal. Then again "horny" and "love' have nothing to do with one another. I've slept with lots of people I didn't love.
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine i know unblacken is an asshole but he's right. if you want to know more go read a book and don't even bother commenting to prevent yourself from looking like a jackass
Iiveforepicness 7 months ago
@Iiveforepicness Using a second account to cover your slip/nonsequiter is sort of pathetic. Love/mating/brain chemistry has nothing to do with this discussion. That's like answering "who do you like better Dave or Bob?" with "I like fish sticks."
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine You can get offended all you want, but my position stands and you're looking like a jackass.
Iiveforepicness 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Screw ron paul and screw you
HaIIcyon 7 months ago
@HaIIcyon trolol.....
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine I like how you show the limit of your intelligence. You can't argue otherwise
HaIIcyon 7 months ago
@HaIIcyon trolol
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Thanks for omitting that Ron Paul sucks
HaIIcyon 7 months ago
@HaIIcyon Omitting? LOL
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine yep
halIcyon 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine what's wrong giving up?
DarkTempIarKain 6 months ago
@DarkTempIarKain On what? You aren't actually talking to me. The discussion was Atheism vs Theism etc...and now you under your accounts are yammering about love and psychology and and boring ad hominem attacks. LOL Pick a subject kid.
MichaelnChristine 6 months ago
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@MichaelnChristine And I'm not even trolling, nonetheless being successful. It seems like your losing because I'm calm and you don't even stick with the topic and saying stuff like "ur getin owned" etc. Learn to argue, not fight like a child. Islam is right and has won.
DarkTempIarKain 6 months ago
@MichaelnChristine im probably on your side on this, but really you're a very shit stick up for ron paul. just sit down before you fall down
Ieafs1319 7 months ago
@Ieafs1319 trolol
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Yeah I figured, you're just a failure in life
Ieafs1319 7 months ago
@Ieafs1319 Trolol
MichaelnChristine 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine get off my nuts breh
Ieafs1319 7 months ago
@MichaelnChristine First off there's no relation between gnosticism and agnosticism outside the greek root. The former term was coined Henry More in the 17th century to describe a particular set of esoteric religious beliefs and the latter term refers to a philosophy developed by Thomas Huxley in the 19th century. Second, one can not be both atheist and agnostic. Agnosticism is, as Huxley defined it, the theory that one should not pretend to surety where none exists.
ehmunro 4 months ago
@ehmunro I'm sorry that isn't true. It doesn't matter what idiosyncratic usage anybody has. Words have definitions. Gnostic means simply " of or relating to knowledge" and Agnostic means "not relating to knowledge". So if you say I am Agnostic on the subject of birds you are saying I don't have knowledge about Birds. I lack knowledge of Gd and I am not a theist and as such I am both Agnostic and Atheist.
MichaelnChristine 4 months ago
@MichaelnChristine That is absolutely not what Gnostic means. The Greek root (gnostikos) has that meaning amongst others. But Gnostic has, in English, referred to a certain set of religious beliefs. And has since More introduced the term to the English language in the 17th century. And agnosticism is a word that was invented by Thomas Huxley, so any definition that you're using of it, that doesn't line up with the philosophy as Huxley defined it, is the idiosyncratic usage. You're 100% wrong
ehmunro 4 months ago
@ehmunro Due respect but you are harping on one man's usage, and are quoting Wikipedia directly while doing it. The word is defined by the Oxford English dictionary as "A person who believes that nothing is known about the existence of God'. This is common usage for the 21st century. That said I can most certainly say "I know nothing about God, nor can and so choose not to believe your claims that it exists" which WOULD make me an Atheist and an Agnostic. Reality isn't on your side....
MichaelnChristine 4 months ago
@ehmunro Due respect but you are harping on one man's usage, and are quoting Wikipedia directly while doing it. The word is defined by the Oxford English dictionary as "A person who believes that nothing is known about the existence of God'. This is common usage for the 21st century. That said I can most certainly say "I know nothing about God, nor can and so choose not to believe your claims that it exists" which WOULD make me an Atheist and an Agnostic. Reality isn't on your side....
MichaelnChristine 4 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Actually Franklin and Jefferson were both very big Christians. Here are two quotes that came out their own mouth.
Jefferson- "I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
Franklin - "Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped."
HowISeeItToday 4 months ago
@HowISeeItToday Lying is a sin bud. Quote mining is for the weak minded. "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."--BF "He (the Rev. Mr. Whitefield) used, indeed, sometimes to pray for my conversion, but never had the satisfaction of believing that his prayers were heard." Franklin's Autobiography "I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies." --BF
MichaelnChristine 4 months ago
@HowISeeItToday Cont As for TJ "Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." "To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart."
MichaelnChristine 4 months ago
@MichaelnChristine I'm sure you have it all figured out but I was just telling you all of our founding fathers were Strong Christians and active in their community. In fact Ben Franklin spent his own money to create an event center to hold 25K in the small city of 20K of Pittsburgh just so people could come and learn of Jesus. So I mean you can support your false idols but please keep these men of God out of your atheist agenda.
HowISeeItToday 4 months ago
@HowISeeItToday assertion without evidence, and in contrary to the man's published beliefs. Thomas Paine died a pauper because he was openly and loudly Atheist. The facts aren't on your side. Ask yourself if you faith in your god is so weak that you have to break a commandment and lie in order to justify your religious nationalism. You have the puritans and the majority of Americans, you don't need to lie about the 15% of us who think it's a myth.
MichaelnChristine 4 months ago
@HowISeeItToday 1You have to believe in the resurrection of Jesus to be a christian. Jefferson did not believe in that superstion. That is why he wrote his own Jefferson Bible leaving out all the superstitious crap out of it and only leaving in the alleged sayings of Jesus the man. He looked at Jesus as a philosopher.
2 What does that guote by Franklin have to do with Christianity? By that quote alone, you could worship Zeus, Shiva, any god of your imagination.
drewm4355 4 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Sometimes the course of history erodes away the truth. I believe a poet once wrote of this. Those who live life with a snap-shot perspective are sometimes like the old Pollock jokes. Unfortunately, life, the universe and creation was not, is not, and will never be discreet or unanimate or mere resolution of which we can fathom. That is the most incredible form of ignorance we practice. Faith and belief has always been the top battle of humanity. Freedom be the gift.
9b8 3 months ago
@9b8 Faith is belief without evidence. Creationism and religion disregard evidence and therefore are a perversion of faith, not actual faith. We know the earth isn't the centre of the universe, we know that the earth isn't flat, we know we evolved and are evolving. Pretending that ignorance is a virtue or that those of us who value reality are misguided doesn't make it so. Hiding it behind poetical nonsense is just sugar-coating a poison pill.
MichaelnChristine 3 months ago
@MichaelnChristine I would have to stop you almost before you started. More precisely, faith is not limited to only belief nor is mutually exclusive of evidence or, more precisely, knowledge. Epistemologically speaking, faith is a part of belief, which is a part of knowledge. Evidence is a part of truth, which is a part of knowledge. Science is a wonderful part of life in its pure form. But like religion, it is often used cynically. "Poetic nonsense" is a left brain dominance issue, not deceit.
9b8 3 months ago
@MichaelnChristine I'm sorry, I want to be clear about my last statement so as to not sound completely insultive. I meant that viewing a poetic citation as "poetic nonsense" is a left brain dominant way of thought rather than a poetic citation being deceitful. Perhaps it is useful to be a balanced thinker, using left and right where needed in order to sucessfully reason, debate and in the end communicate. It is the standard of a rounded, truly knowledgable and wise person.
9b8 3 months ago
@9b8 Yes and I am sure you are pretty, have a six-pack, a sports car and dance like a black-man, When you are done talking about how cool you are feel free to respond. Until then I'm sure you have a mirror somewhere.... (Poetic enough or do I need to get epic and respond in trochaic tetrameter?)
MichaelnChristine 3 months ago
@MichaelnChristine No one here is trying to be remotely egotistical, if that is what you imply. I already responded just as serious and straight and true as can be. But rounded people who are also rounded thinkers are of value and in demand. One could dedicate life documenting and proving all things of a fruit fly, but miss the beauty of the sunrises as a consequence. Nothing wrong with knowing/proving everything about the fruit fly. Man has not even "proven" love for crying out loud.
9b8 3 months ago
@9b8 You are implying that being a generalist is superior to being a specialist and as a generalist you are therefore superior to me whom you perceive as a scientist and a left brained person. Just because I don't choose to be overly-flowery and more than a little pointless doesn't speak to left-brainedness. Especially considering my chosen career is as a composer, a left-handed one at that! LOL Take your pop-psychology double-talk elsewhere. You are just making yourself look like an idiot.
MichaelnChristine 3 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Well if you are music composer that is a noble craft! But you are (and maybe on purpose) mistaking my words. Nothing wrong with a left-brained or right-brained persona. But it is foolish to argue or deny things that left-brained thinking just can't muster. As software engineer by profession and a music buff by hobby, I understand the balance and beauty of both. I sometimes spend hours at a time improvising on the piano or practicing the classics. Don't be so foolish!
9b8 3 months ago
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@MichaelnChristine Well if you are music composer that is a noble craft! But you are (and maybe on purpose) mistaking my words. Nothing wrong with a left-brained or right-brained persona. But it is foolish to argue or deny things that left-brained thinking just can't muster. As software engineer by profession and a music buff by hobby, I understand the balance and beauty of both. I sometimes spend hours at a time improvising on the piano or practicing the classics. Don't be so foolish!
9b8 3 months ago
@MichaelnChristine Secondly, if you know American history the downsizing of the American forces ended up being a bad call since after Jefferson comes Madison and the war of 1812 and under trained troops made for the burning of the white house.
laxguy22655 1 year ago
Religion is the method whereby humans can rationalize their awful behavior to other humans and pawn it off as good deeds. The last time religion ruled the western world, the result was the Dark Ages. For a thousand years we allowed magical thinking to retard the advancement of knowledge, and the progress of humanity.
Ignorance and superstition lurk at the fringes of our society.
"Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions"
-- Blaise Pascal
4me2cclearly 1 year ago
@4me2cclearly Absolutely right! The problem isn't GOD, knowing spirit, science, or anything therein but rather man's desire to manipulate! Even the great Einstein once called science a temple, implying its righteous, near sacred significance albeit dominated by logic and theory and reasoning. We are ALL guilty of finger pointing! The moment you manipulate, it is in that moment you're wicked! We all should just allow the truth - whatever it may be and whenever it is known among us.
9b8 3 months ago
Jesus didn't want to legislate anything.The burning political issue of Jesus' day was if Jews should go along with the Roman occupation of Israel or oppose it.Jesus didn't comment on the issue at all,he didn't care!
johndgray1 1 year ago
no, its just a position that i support, people will make their own mistakes and should PAY for their own mistakes. the question is freedom, should i have the freedom to make bad decisions? so long as i am not harming somebody with violence or burglary or rape or murder.....should I not be able to do anything consensual with another adult? mistakes included?
hackajim 1 year ago
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Oallos1 1 year ago
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