It seems to me that the Government's number one priority should be sorting out the economic mess the country is in. It would be nice to also admit that the mess was the result of Government interference in bank lending and investment that caused it in the first place.
NHS sucks with every statistic but everyone just says if it just had more money then everything would improve. But it just gets worse. I would rather pay with money than with time. If you have a life threatening condition and need an operation is it worth waiting 12 months for an operation that would be immediate in other countries and then the success rate is one of the lowest in the western world. Cameron knows that he has to support the NHS religion or he will get kicked out. 1.2million staff
@befreeberich I have never had a problem with the NHS.
I have always had swift, quality treatment. Ignoring the bullshit about success rates...
The NHS provides one of the world's best, if not the best, preventative care. This is the problem facing America; in many cases, the early stages of care are poor and people put off going to the doctors.
There is a reason why the UK has a higher life expectancy than the US.
@befreeberich 2 words: private healthcare ~ it's very simple. Those who can afford fast treatment can go private whereas those who are unable to afford treatment have to wait. Its a much better solution than the alternative which is to abandon the poor and perpetuate the cycle of poverty.
It pisses me off when everybody makes the retarded assumption that if you don't believe in the NHS system, your automatically FOR the US system. As if there only 2 systems in the world and they are mutually exclusive. The NHS is shit, and so is the US system. Measuring against GDP is silly, as GDP can be easily skewed.
@ri0r Few people in either Britain or the USA are 'for' the status quo.
Everybody wants to see improvement. The British media would have us believe that the NHS is shit, but in reality, it trups the US system, and is one of the best. Of course, this does not mean that people are automatically in favour of the US system - obviously, this scenario needs to be avoided.
I for one would like to see free prescriptions everywhere in the UK and an extension of free healthcare to our territories.
@ri0r Few people in either Britain or the USA are 'for' the status quo.
Everybody wants to see improvement. The British media would have us believe that the NHS is shit, but in reality, it trups the US system, and is one of the best. Of course, this does not mean that people are automatically in favour of the US system - obviously, this scenario needs to be avoided.
I for one would like to see free prescriptions everywhere in the UK and an extension of free healthcare to our territories.
I just watched the idiot who was suckling on faux news teat by insulting the NHS, what a scumbag. Does anyone know if the prick still has a position of government? Insulting the NHS is not too far off insulting our brave in uniform, both are institutions for Britain to be proud of.
@thatguywiththeegg He's actualy quite good I don't agree with him on NHS but he does good in eu parliment he has a you tube channel if you watch it might find it interesting
Er guys you are making the classic mistake of assuming that the European Court of Human Rights is an EU institution when the two things actually have nothing to do with each other. Our MPs cannot defy the EU, the reason they were able to take a stand on prisoners' voting rights is because it is a ECtHR issue and we are not obliged to follow ECtHR judgments even if we do on most occasions. If you're going to argue about something don't make such basic mistakes.
Ah good point i forgot that, however what you say about us not being obliged to follow the ECHR is wrong, this is because like all members of the Council of Europe we signed The European Convention on Human Rights. It is through this that the European court of human rights has the power to enforce the laws of the European Convention on Human Rights on to members of the Council of Europe, which just happens to be all of them. (this is why there is confusion between the EU and the ECHR)
Privatising the NHS would lead to the same overly expensive, bureaucratic, inability to pay for care that make the US healthcare system a laughing stock. It is the US corrupt way to health that is in crisis not the various cheaper UHC systems used in most other advance advanced capitalist economies. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:” NATIONAL DISGRACE: US Health Care System Kills and Bankrupts and “Tom Daschle: US Healthcare Best In World a 'Myth'
Daniel Hannan wants to have a healthcare system like Singapore. Singapore who have raised thru the rankings very fast and who are ranked 6 in the world. Singapore who spend only between 2-3% of their GDP on healthcare. He doesnt even want to force people onto this system, Daniel wants it to be voluntary.
Currently we spends 8-9% of our GDP on healthcare. Why not reduce it and raise standards at the same time? Instead they want to increase our spending and most likely reduce our standards too!
@NicosMind Yes but in Singapore housing is heavily subsidised by the government. When our government subsidises modern state of the art condominiums for even average earners people might be in a better position to pay for their healthcare. As it happens, housing in the UK is incredibly expensive and of exceptionally poor quality, just like its transportation system and general infrastructure. Stupid Brits need to stop deluding themselves into thinking that they live well. East Asia is way ahead
Cameron's A lier...! i recently fell down some stairs,due to past joint problems...! when i got physo...! thay wanted to know wether i was working or claiming benifits...! i clearly said whats that got to do with my legs...!
i asked if i could be sent for a scan...! our doctor said the physo could refer us quicker...! the physo said ..! no chance unless i was footballer...! OUR DOCTORS REFERD US IN THE FINISH..! WHICH IM STILL WAITING
The US spends 17% of GDP on healthcare for a market based system which is jerry-rigged to support the rich. The UK spends 10% of GDP on healthcare, for universal coverage for all, and a overall longer life for all it's citizens. Thank god I live in the UK!
@XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX Eh, the problem with total free market systems is where do you draw the line? Do you let people die because they can't afford basic care, such as antibiotics for a nasty infection? "It's easy to believe that no one should depend on society for help when you yourself happen not to need such help." - Isaac Asimov. The best model IMO is the single payer system; where you get treated privately but the government pays through slighty higher taxes.
@LordTowel Well I suppose giving the occasional free course of drugs or treatment would be good PR for the said company, though in a free market costs would be far cheaper and employment would be far higher so that would minimise the likely hood of not being able to pay significantly.
@XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX By god I don't think I've ever met someone more Libertarian than you! I admire your consistency, and respect and agree with the majority of the libertarian views. But damn, with something as important as healthcare and other such essentials to life, I believe government has to be involved, certainly as a regulator, and in most cases a provider. But I’ll take a libertarian like Ron Paul over a nutjob social neo-conservative anytime. Have a good day!
@LordTowel Actually, the US government spends more on healthcare per capita than the UK government. This is why the American system is even more screwed than the NHS.
Now finally we have a decent system that it will in the long run save the USA trillions $ in bankruptcy costs, illness and lost work days from the 65 million people who had no insurance.
Presumably, you are referring to the recently passed HR 3962 healthcare bill or "Obamacare" as some would like to refer to it as. If you closely examine the contents of this bill, then you will discover that it actually constitutes a devastating tax on the American working class and youll be surprised to learn that it will seriously harm precisely those poor and uninsured citizens it is ostensibly designed to help. You could read it or, better still, let me summarise it for you.
When Thatcherites and Libertarians say that spending increased by 33% or whatever on the NHS during Thatcher's rule, don't call them liars. They are telling the truth, but what they are forgetting to tell you is that most of this spending went on appointing pen-pushers and managers or setting up the internal market in the NHS. For a party that is supposedly opposed to Quangos and bureacracy, it was certainly a contradiction.
In the US there are 50 million uninsured, millions more under-insured, health care bills/excesses/deductables are the number 1 reason for bankruptcy & homelessness, there is a lower life expectancy than in the UK (even though we spend more!), people with diabeties/arthritis/asthma are punished with inadequate cover/no cover/hiked up premiums.
Insurance companies will ALWAYS squirm out of paying up when you most need them.
Daniel Hannan is a great man - but what does Davo stand for ? Heath took us into the EU on a false prospectus - no wonder this country is in such a mess.
To Hades with the EU. Cameron's not going to save us from it :(
So far as abandoning their entire political ideology? They let it lie because its successful, not because they in anyway agree with nationalised services. That doesn't reassure me in anyway that they won't inhibit or damage the service in some way. In fact they are more likely to as an unpopular NHS would be easier to change.
A last note to people in the uk - PLEASE don't change your NHS, the alternative is that your health will be governed by insurance companies who's only responsibility is to make money.
Remember in the USA there is money to be made out of children suffering from leukemia.
Incorrect. It was a Labour intiative. Well done Old Labour - bring back REAL LABOUR. The Tories never wanted and still dont want the NHS - Daniel Hannan is saying what every Tory thinks because they are the party of the rich and they don't need it. They can get private health insurance if they get ill. Us ordinary people can't and etonians like the entire Tory frontbench will never understand that. Vote Labour (it's our only choice).
in ireland its 100 euro a visit to the hospital and 3 days on a trolly in the hall, most doctors charge 80 euro a visit ,ts a disgrace i got 2 letters saying they were gonna take me to court over not paying the hospital visit fee i threw them in the bin ,they should be allowed to threaten ppl when they are tryinh to recouver froma opration
Yes, you are quite right. The NHS is not free: the costs are merely hidden in the form of coercive taxation. What you fail to realise is that healthcare is a product which can be purchased by individuals (to suit their needs) in a free market much more cost-effectively and more efficiently than a state monopoly provider could ever supply.
@ kurt44mg42, that is true, and the NHS needs serious improvement, mainly in management. However, the NHS exists because of a philosophy, and private insurance is available to those who want it.
The NHS only acts as a monopoly for certain areas, and then its for legal reasons. For example, all organ transplants happen through the NHS to prevent them being sold for a price, which is unethical and illegal.
Economics Lesson 1: If the state imposes a taxpayer-funded healthcare system, it places consumers in a position where they must "choose" between paying privately for healthcare or "opting" to pay for the state's "free" service. Since the state has the power to tax, citizens are forced pay for these healthcare services whether they want them or not. This is a simple economics argument , not a philosophical, legal or political one.
Economics Lesson 3: An increased demand for goods or services has the effect of pushing prices up and therefore increasing the cost (via taxes) of the particular good or service for consumers. This is what has happened to the NHS ( we have the bungling politicians and bureaucrats to thank for that!) If healthcare was left purely to the free market, we would see prices and costs come down due to competition. Even the least well-off in society would be able to purchase the healthcare they need.
So if there was no NHS, healthcare would be so cheap that even the poorest people could affort treatment for everything and therefore everyone would be better off?
You're an idiot. No country without socialised healthcare works like that. Why will the UK be different?
In response to your most recent comment, all I can say is that you display an unsurprising ignorance of simple, common-sense economics. I understand that you - like many others in this country - cannot conceive of healthcare being provided by any other means other than what is provided on a socialized basis by the state.
The UK government IS a force for good (on balance). Perhaps it's hard to say the same about the US. I suppose the two countries just work differently.
Labour came along with all these socialised ideas - the NHS, job-seekers allowence, minimum wage, child support, council housing, universal pensions, funding to help students pay for uni, e.t.c - and the public liked it.
Its a democracy, the government is what the public wants it to be, and the UK wants the government to do these things.
@kurt44mg42 - this is so ridiculous Kurt, I live in the US and most people I know cannot afford any health care. You average person pays around $600-1,200 for what is though of as good health care here. BUT you are not insured for any pre-existing conditions, all your treatment have a spend limit and when it runs out, your out. You are forced to visit only the doctors that your insurance companies deal with, and if you get ill your premium goes up. When you get ill you get investigated.
Dear jinkies82, I really think you ought to investigate why health insurance costs have skyrocketed in the US over the last 50 years or so. Scratch beneath the surface and you'll find it has nothing to do with 'market failure', but more to do with the hand of Leviathan (government). Regarding your comment about insuring pre-existing conditions. I'll ask you a question: Would you reasonably expect a life insurance company to insure someone who is about to die, i.e. an uninsurable risk?
The health insurance industry in the United States in no way resembles insurance companies operating freely to provide insurance cover to consumers based on the assessment of risk. The fact is that the US Federal and state governments have, for so many years now, heavily regulated (all in the name of 'equality' of course!) this segment of the market.
The supposedly free market health insurance business is more akin to medical entitlement program whereby the real and, consequently, ever-rising costs of healthcare are shifted on to unsuspecting third party payers. This is the real reason why it is so expensive to
Insurance has skyrocked because uninsured people are a burden on the emergency facilities costing $35B a year. Doctors are paid ridiculous wages, more than anywhere else on earth. The lack of regulation means that insurance companies could (up until today) drop people when ever they wanted for any reason.
65% of people in the last year went bankrupt in the USA because of health care costs not from the general economic situation.
@kurt44mg42 "......Would you reasonably expect a life insurance company to insure someone who is about to die, i.e. an uninsurable risk? "
I would expect that my country has a duty to look after the genuinely unfortunate. I if you want a system where insurance companies decide who lives or dies according to their profits then i think that i appalling.
Economics Lesson 2: If the government/state legislates/regulates the price of a good or service below the market clearing level, it will necessarily create an increased demand for for that particular good or service than would otherwise occur if left to the free market. This, in turn, leads to shortages and rationing of the good or service which, we have seen, the NHS is prone to. The government/state needs to get out of the healthcare business and let individuals decide what they can afford.
Comment 2: Since its inception in 1946 -1948, the NHS in UK has become a national religion thanks to the government, media and other opinion formers and therefore anyone who criticises it is labelled as an "idiot" or, worse, a heretic. The same is true for anyone who dares to oppose the arguments of the zealous proponents of AGW, gun-control or whatever else seems to be in vogue nowadays.
I feel sorry for you, Agreed that you cannot get something for nothing and the nhs is eating a large amount of our economic wealth as a country but you my friend need to understand that everyone has the right to healthcare regardless of social and economic status
Not free health care for all britons
Free health care for all. Every man woman and child across the face of the planet.
Want to find some funding for it? Stop spending billions on weapons and tools of death...
Claiming you have a right to healthcare means you have a right to someone else's property (money) and labour. It means that you believe they should work either for free or for a price you and the rest of society agree upon by vote.
In other words, you're willing to make them a slave to provide you and the rest of society with a product you all lack the intelligence to provide for yourselves.
Private insurance companies are always more trustworthy than the government. We should be so lucky to maintain our God-given right to private healthcare.
The conservatives nearly all think this privately. Ultimately they're just snobby scumbags, leftover from an era where only rich public school twats ran the country. I suppose some shit sticks. The rich only look out for the rich.
I have also lived in the UK and the US and I much prefer the NHS. When I got sick and needed necessary surgery, I didn't need to worry about medical bills to pay afterward. I got great care on all levels.
Btw the WHO rates UK healthcare at 18 in the world. US is down at 37.
Only if you are rich and can afford it, which most people around the world can't.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I have extensive experience of both systems and I know which system I'd pick and it's the NHS!
@Thetruthishere11 Absolutely. Privatising the NHS would save billions of pounds. It's a shame that our so-called conservative Prime Minister doesn't support this.
@whiskasalpha Due to its homogeneity, the NHS is ineffective; if it were accountable to shareholders, its efficiency would increase. Competition would also lead to lower prices, which would benefit the poor.
@MrYoungIndependence Due too its homogeneity the NHS is an efficient highly cost effective Universal health service thanks too the fact it is answerable too its shareholders, all 65 million of them. The poor benefit most from the way the NHS works unlike the barbarous private insurance based highly expensive highly wasteful non universal US system.
@MrYoungIndependence It may be true that people move from other countries to the us to receive health care. But that doesnt mean its the best in the world. Lots of people move the the uk for health care. There are a lot better countries with better health care systems then both our systems. just have a look on the WHO website.
To quote Peter Ferrara, director of entitlement and budget policy for the Institute for Policy Innovation, "Doctors are dripping out of the Medicare program or refusing to accept more patients. In 2008, over 33 percent of physicians had closed their practices to Medicaid patients and 12 percent had closed their practices to Medicare patients. This restricts access to health care for the poor and the elderly..." Such negative effects would not occur within a privatised system.
@MrYoungIndependence I never said the NHS was perfect i was just stating that it according to the WHO it is better then the us system, where people are denied treatment because they do not have enough money. TBH if i had enough money i guess i would go private but i dont which is why i am greatful to the NHS which due to asthma has saved my life ones or twice.
@shaunyboy1000 The NHS is no more free than American healthcare; it is funded through general taxation, which could be reduced in different circumstances.
@MrYoungIndependence Fair point however taxation goes to a lot more things in this country not just the NHS, transport, public sector jobs, benifits ect ect
@MrYoungIndependence What like the security of knowing that if they become ill they will be looked after, or that if they lose their job the state will support them.
@MrYoungIndependence Now i will agree with you there. We do pay way to much into the EU and get very little out of it. However i do like us being in the EU as it means our human rights are protected.
@MrYoungIndependence There are a few differences from the universal decleration of human rights but no one is there to enforce them. The EU decleration of human right says pretty much the same thing. And there is no one definition of human rights.
@MrYoungIndependence what like everyone is entitled to vote or not being able to harm prisioners. the unerversal declaration of human rights say these things aswell. Also as recent events show we dont have to do everything the EU tells us as parliament voted against giving prisioners the vote.
That's not far enough. His views are not "eccentric" - they're ludicrous, unfounded lies which he is propounding to make his name more luminous, rather than the snivelling, brown-nosing, slimy, tit-faced arrogant snob git that he is. Did I leave anything out?
Daniel Hannan makes me so annoyed with his brown-nosing of america just in order to make himself more popular. The fact he puts his views across as if they were fact and held by any kind of majority is awful.
Hopefully the conservative party will continue to ignore him and his insane views.
This is the face of Cameron's Conservative party. Our schools, socalized schools. Our fire service, a socalized fire service? Our police a socialized police force? It's a human rights issue. The NHS is not perfect but it's the best option.
You know, I really wish my political opponents were this sane.
Clearly, 'conservative' has a different meaning in the UK then it does in the USA. When i think of 'conservative' in the US, i think expensive government that contracts its duties out to politically-tied corporations and tortures people.
What is conservative about praising inefficiencies?What is conservative about expanding the size of the government?What is conservative about bashing the free market?
Why does Cameron call himself a conservative?
He is statist and when a someone embraces statism ,you are NOT conservative in anyway.They need to change the party`s name forthwith.There is absolutely nothing conservative about party,none.
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just admit it. your healthcare system sucks and does not compare to the greatest system in the world...in the USA we are better than your dumb useless healthcare.
You pay nearly twice as much as in health care (In terms of GDP) and still have 44 million Americans who are uninsured.
Anyways, I've seen your profile, all you do is comment on bashing the NHS. - YET you have not even tried our service, so somehow making a comparison is non-factual and basing your opinions of off other peoples reviews isn't good enough. You should try it yourself.
But you are too retarded for that. So safe to say, you are a retarded frog.
The USA is much lower down the ladder when it comes to the quality of health care, and you won't even give it to all people. How on earth is that fair let alone better than our system.
Question: With health care who should we think about first. The people whom which it is caring for, or the insurence companies who have been fucking everyone over.
If I get sick and go to a hospital they don't ask me to fill in insurence forms, they just treat me. How the hell can you say that's useless?
your American healthcare ranks 37th in the world, the UK is18th. Not being insulting or anything but for a nation known for its competitiveness you are sure happy about having a crap healthcare system
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That study is ridiculous. The best care is in the US, and the most medical innovation is in the US. People in the UK are scared into thinking that people here go without healthcare, and that's plain wrong. My father in-law was as poor as a poor can be, and yet got hundreds of thousands of dollars of cancer treatment when he battled it several years ago. Calling the American system worse than the UK system is simply ignorant.
If you are poor enough or sick enough that's what Medicare/Medicaid is for. Funny conservatives in the U.S. fought it tooth and nail, and said it was "socialist."
The best innovations USED to be in the US do a google search of Bob Higgins health care innovations.
Antibacterials derived from marijuana? Italy & UK
Cloning? UK
Stem-Cell innovations? Australia
Each one conservatives oppose. I WISH we had the NHS.
Accepting right-wing rhetoric, rather than investigating? That's ignorant.
You are probably referring to the non-objective WHO study which purports to "rank" countries' healthcare, and which favors government-run systems with a more uniform approach. I hate to break it to you, but I've lived in both the US and the UK, and the US is far superior. Whatever information you're getting about the US healthcare system is untrue. You are being sold a bill a goods in the form of the NHS. Americans know this. They know they get excellent care, and they don't want it changed
its non objective to you because the truth hurts. The point is that your country spends more money on healthcare than any other country and still you have 47 million people without insurance and 20,000 die each year because of that
I know it must sting hearing that Americans don't want to go down the path to mediocracy and govt takeover of healthcare as Britain has. It's only natural to feel that way. I'm sure the 40% of Britons who go abroad for surgery to avoid NHS waiting lists would feel inclined to defend their national pride, too, without wanting to acknowledge the truth that NHS is subpar. Keep believing discredited, big govt propaganda like "47 mil Americans uninsured" if it helps to soothe your wounded pride.
Very few Americans go abroad for any medical care. However, 40% of Britons choose to go elsewhere because their national health system is subpar.
Look up the recent study by International Medical Travel Association. Doesn't paint a pretty picture of the British National Health Service. No wonder Americans say NO to government takeover of healthcare.
i would not travel half way around the world to pay for health care when i can get it free in britain,some cases in america they have to pay to live to get the proper treatment, it's like saying "sorry can't save your life, not enough money", health insurence is absolutely redicules, what next are they going to change the name to life insurence, i thought i doctors job was how many people you can treat not how much money you can make, although in america they call they customers not patience,
Sorry, but it's not just the rich who get excellent coverage. It's no wonder that nearly 80% of Americans say they are very satisfied with their private insurance coverage.
How is it conservative to expand and spend more on the NHS. It needs reformed, but these politicians in all parties seem to think the only reform is more spending. That's clearly not the case when other countries have better healthcare with less spending.
The Lib Dems are not the answer. You think Labour over borrow, over tax and over spend? Lib Dems in power would end up with Nigeria holding a rock concert for us.
A genuinely fiscally conservative, socially liberal party is needed.
Well, the NHS did first start being eroded when prescription charges were brought in, the underfunding and now privatisation has been a long-running meme, as it were. The Lib Dems are only correct in opposing war and Trident, and putting that money, which far outstrips health and education spending, into health and education.
True about prescription charges but it can be seen that they are needed but IMO lifelong prescriptions should be free the rest should be paid for where able.
Ah yes, the Lib Dems, the party who want to bury Britain as a region of the EU, have uncontrolled immigration and change their policy on whether they want to tax high earners more or not every other year
Cameron has done a complete u-turn since, now he wants to single handedly dismantle it.............tosser.
habanacus 2 days ago
This is fucking ironic. You bloody scumbag Cameron.
samleach6 1 week ago
Can someone cut out 0:08 to 0:28 and put it on a constant loop for Cameron to listen to?
hedge1878 1 week ago
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where he says "improve" he means "make you pay"
mick220567 2 weeks ago
so why is he making cuts now
pomplumber 3 weeks ago
Healthy people, healthy economy.
rza1m 3 weeks ago
Proof that most UK Conservatives aren't the British equivalent of American Tea Baggers
wangsta25 3 weeks ago
It seems to me that the Government's number one priority should be sorting out the economic mess the country is in. It would be nice to also admit that the mess was the result of Government interference in bank lending and investment that caused it in the first place.
ritchloui 1 month ago
NHS sucks with every statistic but everyone just says if it just had more money then everything would improve. But it just gets worse. I would rather pay with money than with time. If you have a life threatening condition and need an operation is it worth waiting 12 months for an operation that would be immediate in other countries and then the success rate is one of the lowest in the western world. Cameron knows that he has to support the NHS religion or he will get kicked out. 1.2million staff
befreeberich 1 month ago
@befreeberich I have never had a problem with the NHS.
I have always had swift, quality treatment. Ignoring the bullshit about success rates...
The NHS provides one of the world's best, if not the best, preventative care. This is the problem facing America; in many cases, the early stages of care are poor and people put off going to the doctors.
There is a reason why the UK has a higher life expectancy than the US.
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago 2
@befreeberich 2 words: private healthcare ~ it's very simple. Those who can afford fast treatment can go private whereas those who are unable to afford treatment have to wait. Its a much better solution than the alternative which is to abandon the poor and perpetuate the cycle of poverty.
Kindly take your head out of your ass.
rabadooda 1 month ago
@befreeberich like all tory supporters your a clueless idiot. workshy parasites,supreme.
balearicsoundwave89 2 weeks ago
Hannan gives the true tory view of the nhs.
TheTomtuffy 1 month ago
It pisses me off when everybody makes the retarded assumption that if you don't believe in the NHS system, your automatically FOR the US system. As if there only 2 systems in the world and they are mutually exclusive. The NHS is shit, and so is the US system. Measuring against GDP is silly, as GDP can be easily skewed.
ri0r 2 months ago
@ri0r how can GDP be skewed? What's the third option that you agree with?
isJonneh 2 months ago
@isJonneh any form of military keynesianism - I believe in personal health savings accounts, the less government the better.
ri0r 2 months ago
@ri0r Few people in either Britain or the USA are 'for' the status quo.
Everybody wants to see improvement. The British media would have us believe that the NHS is shit, but in reality, it trups the US system, and is one of the best. Of course, this does not mean that people are automatically in favour of the US system - obviously, this scenario needs to be avoided.
I for one would like to see free prescriptions everywhere in the UK and an extension of free healthcare to our territories.
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
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@ri0r Few people in either Britain or the USA are 'for' the status quo.
Everybody wants to see improvement. The British media would have us believe that the NHS is shit, but in reality, it trups the US system, and is one of the best. Of course, this does not mean that people are automatically in favour of the US system - obviously, this scenario needs to be avoided.
I for one would like to see free prescriptions everywhere in the UK and an extension of free healthcare to our territories.
BasilFawlty4444 1 month ago
"We are the party of the NHS."
The Tories??
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
^for 2 weeks
BasilFawlty4444 2 months ago
I just watched the idiot who was suckling on faux news teat by insulting the NHS, what a scumbag. Does anyone know if the prick still has a position of government? Insulting the NHS is not too far off insulting our brave in uniform, both are institutions for Britain to be proud of.
thatguywiththeegg 6 months ago 3
@thatguywiththeegg he's a member of the eu parliment
Jools3639 5 months ago
@Jools3639 despicable
thatguywiththeegg 5 months ago 4
@thatguywiththeegg He's actualy quite good I don't agree with him on NHS but he does good in eu parliment he has a you tube channel if you watch it might find it interesting
Jools3639 5 months ago 3
@Jools3639 I couldn't agree more with you. Dan Hannan is one of the best politicians we have.
mikesheen741 3 months ago
@thatguywiththeegg Well said
Marcus3141592653 2 months ago
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Did not read this correctly,slightly disappointed.
DukeofWellington91 7 months ago
Er guys you are making the classic mistake of assuming that the European Court of Human Rights is an EU institution when the two things actually have nothing to do with each other. Our MPs cannot defy the EU, the reason they were able to take a stand on prisoners' voting rights is because it is a ECtHR issue and we are not obliged to follow ECtHR judgments even if we do on most occasions. If you're going to argue about something don't make such basic mistakes.
arickets99 8 months ago
Ah good point i forgot that, however what you say about us not being obliged to follow the ECHR is wrong, this is because like all members of the Council of Europe we signed The European Convention on Human Rights. It is through this that the European court of human rights has the power to enforce the laws of the European Convention on Human Rights on to members of the Council of Europe, which just happens to be all of them. (this is why there is confusion between the EU and the ECHR)
shaunyboy1000 7 months ago
play this to cameron and ask him how he got rid of 28000 nurses
butchd2010 1 year ago
@butchd2010
he didnt, he ringfenced the NHS budget.
hendabomb 1 year ago
@hendabomb..
He kept the budget the same. NO inflationary rise.... Tories cannot and will not be trusted with the NHS..
whiskasalpha 10 months ago
Should make a film of DC quotes , maybe call it
LIAR LIAR II
Ayeyuya 1 year ago
Privatising the NHS would lead to the same overly expensive, bureaucratic, inability to pay for care that make the US healthcare system a laughing stock. It is the US corrupt way to health that is in crisis not the various cheaper UHC systems used in most other advance advanced capitalist economies. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:” NATIONAL DISGRACE: US Health Care System Kills and Bankrupts and “Tom Daschle: US Healthcare Best In World a 'Myth'
davijeph 1 year ago
Daniel Hannan wants to have a healthcare system like Singapore. Singapore who have raised thru the rankings very fast and who are ranked 6 in the world. Singapore who spend only between 2-3% of their GDP on healthcare. He doesnt even want to force people onto this system, Daniel wants it to be voluntary.
Currently we spends 8-9% of our GDP on healthcare. Why not reduce it and raise standards at the same time? Instead they want to increase our spending and most likely reduce our standards too!
NicosMind 1 year ago
@NicosMind Yes but in Singapore housing is heavily subsidised by the government. When our government subsidises modern state of the art condominiums for even average earners people might be in a better position to pay for their healthcare. As it happens, housing in the UK is incredibly expensive and of exceptionally poor quality, just like its transportation system and general infrastructure. Stupid Brits need to stop deluding themselves into thinking that they live well. East Asia is way ahead
gwangjuboy1 1 year ago
Cameron's A lier...! i recently fell down some stairs,due to past joint problems...! when i got physo...! thay wanted to know wether i was working or claiming benifits...! i clearly said whats that got to do with my legs...!
i asked if i could be sent for a scan...! our doctor said the physo could refer us quicker...! the physo said ..! no chance unless i was footballer...! OUR DOCTORS REFERD US IN THE FINISH..! WHICH IM STILL WAITING
waynej1407 1 year ago
First time i've seen a conservative talking sense
biblasman 1 year ago
@biblasman
Crap, he is going to be making cutbacks on the NHS...!
Wh47n0w1517 1 year ago
Now, I'm no fan of Labour, in fact the evidence seems to show they wished to privatise the NHS, but: > Party of the NHS
is not correct. Labour, under Clement Attlee, was the party of the NHS.
jeevesbond 1 year ago
Fucking liar
rulebrittaniaPTBB 1 year ago
The US spends 17% of GDP on healthcare for a market based system which is jerry-rigged to support the rich. The UK spends 10% of GDP on healthcare, for universal coverage for all, and a overall longer life for all it's citizens. Thank god I live in the UK!
LordTowel 1 year ago 24
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@LordTowel Neither of those facts are true, please provide evidence.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@LordTowel Agreed, though I think a completely free market based system would trump all.
XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX 2 months ago
@XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX Eh, the problem with total free market systems is where do you draw the line? Do you let people die because they can't afford basic care, such as antibiotics for a nasty infection? "It's easy to believe that no one should depend on society for help when you yourself happen not to need such help." - Isaac Asimov. The best model IMO is the single payer system; where you get treated privately but the government pays through slighty higher taxes.
LordTowel 2 months ago
@LordTowel Well I suppose giving the occasional free course of drugs or treatment would be good PR for the said company, though in a free market costs would be far cheaper and employment would be far higher so that would minimise the likely hood of not being able to pay significantly.
XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX 2 months ago
@XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX By god I don't think I've ever met someone more Libertarian than you! I admire your consistency, and respect and agree with the majority of the libertarian views. But damn, with something as important as healthcare and other such essentials to life, I believe government has to be involved, certainly as a regulator, and in most cases a provider. But I’ll take a libertarian like Ron Paul over a nutjob social neo-conservative anytime. Have a good day!
LordTowel 2 months ago
@LordTowel Lol ty, though I guess neither can claim absoluteness due to the free market system not yet been fully tested.
XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX 2 months ago
@LordTowel Actually, the US government spends more on healthcare per capita than the UK government. This is why the American system is even more screwed than the NHS.
Rattlesnakemeuk 1 week ago 2
Hannan is great.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
Conservative NHS is an oxymoron...
matti1003 1 year ago
i read in a biased Newspaper that the Tories want to scrap the NHS altofether and create private care like in America
i know the NHS is a picky topic but i will say this, if the NHS goes:
1 millione MORE people will become unemplyoed
2 there will be yet more for us to pay for (of which we have enough already)
3 if you get sick and either u or ur parents dont make much money you can say goodbye to being treated
Emrald70 1 year ago
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kurt44mg42 1 year ago
Now finally we have a decent system that it will in the long run save the USA trillions $ in bankruptcy costs, illness and lost work days from the 65 million people who had no insurance.
jinkies82 1 year ago
Presumably, you are referring to the recently passed HR 3962 healthcare bill or "Obamacare" as some would like to refer to it as. If you closely examine the contents of this bill, then you will discover that it actually constitutes a devastating tax on the American working class and youll be surprised to learn that it will seriously harm precisely those poor and uninsured citizens it is ostensibly designed to help. You could read it or, better still, let me summarise it for you.
kurt44mg42 1 year ago
Kurt, you are funniest man alive.
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kurt44mg42 1 year ago
When Thatcherites and Libertarians say that spending increased by 33% or whatever on the NHS during Thatcher's rule, don't call them liars. They are telling the truth, but what they are forgetting to tell you is that most of this spending went on appointing pen-pushers and managers or setting up the internal market in the NHS. For a party that is supposedly opposed to Quangos and bureacracy, it was certainly a contradiction.
Kevinasp 2 years ago
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You REALLY don't want a private NHS.
Believe an American!!
In the US there are 50 million uninsured, millions more under-insured, health care bills/excesses/deductables are the number 1 reason for bankruptcy & homelessness, there is a lower life expectancy than in the UK (even though we spend more!), people with diabeties/arthritis/asthma are punished with inadequate cover/no cover/hiked up premiums.
Insurance companies will ALWAYS squirm out of paying up when you most need them.
janebusby 2 years ago
Well said, I remember the Thatcher years of what happened in the NHS... don't give them another chance....
Kevinasp 2 years ago
Daniel Hannan is a great man - but what does Davo stand for ? Heath took us into the EU on a false prospectus - no wonder this country is in such a mess.
To Hades with the EU. Cameron's not going to save us from it :(
5355vbxjbj76rvn 2 years ago
How can the conservative party be described in any way as the party of the NHS?
iiiiiii0000 2 years ago 28
Maybe they have changed
hi262779 2 years ago
So far as abandoning their entire political ideology? They let it lie because its successful, not because they in anyway agree with nationalised services. That doesn't reassure me in anyway that they won't inhibit or damage the service in some way. In fact they are more likely to as an unpopular NHS would be easier to change.
iiiiiii0000 2 years ago
A last note to people in the uk - PLEASE don't change your NHS, the alternative is that your health will be governed by insurance companies who's only responsibility is to make money.
Remember in the USA there is money to be made out of children suffering from leukemia.
jinkies82 2 years ago
"The Conservative Party is the party of the NHS"
Incorrect. It was a Labour intiative. Well done Old Labour - bring back REAL LABOUR. The Tories never wanted and still dont want the NHS - Daniel Hannan is saying what every Tory thinks because they are the party of the rich and they don't need it. They can get private health insurance if they get ill. Us ordinary people can't and etonians like the entire Tory frontbench will never understand that. Vote Labour (it's our only choice).
anglesaxonjute 2 years ago
Like it or not the NHS wont be here in 20years time.
wrathofgod8668 2 years ago
in ireland its 100 euro a visit to the hospital and 3 days on a trolly in the hall, most doctors charge 80 euro a visit ,ts a disgrace i got 2 letters saying they were gonna take me to court over not paying the hospital visit fee i threw them in the bin ,they should be allowed to threaten ppl when they are tryinh to recouver froma opration
Twoblindmen2009 2 years ago
The Conservatives will shut down the NHS. David Cameron has almost no support amongst his party.
You will soon be trusting the slimey insurance companies with your health.
janebusby 2 years ago
"The Conservatives will shut down the NHS."
We can hope, but I very much doubt it. You need to understand two simple economic truths when applied to socialised healthcare:
1.You cannot get something for nothing.
2.You do not have a "right" to healthcare.
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
kurt44mg42, the NHS is not free, which fortunately cancels out both your arguments.
gww1 2 years ago
Yes, you are quite right. The NHS is not free: the costs are merely hidden in the form of coercive taxation. What you fail to realise is that healthcare is a product which can be purchased by individuals (to suit their needs) in a free market much more cost-effectively and more efficiently than a state monopoly provider could ever supply.
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
@ kurt44mg42, that is true, and the NHS needs serious improvement, mainly in management. However, the NHS exists because of a philosophy, and private insurance is available to those who want it.
The NHS only acts as a monopoly for certain areas, and then its for legal reasons. For example, all organ transplants happen through the NHS to prevent them being sold for a price, which is unethical and illegal.
gww1 2 years ago
Economics Lesson 1: If the state imposes a taxpayer-funded healthcare system, it places consumers in a position where they must "choose" between paying privately for healthcare or "opting" to pay for the state's "free" service. Since the state has the power to tax, citizens are forced pay for these healthcare services whether they want them or not. This is a simple economics argument , not a philosophical, legal or political one.
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
Economics Lesson 3: An increased demand for goods or services has the effect of pushing prices up and therefore increasing the cost (via taxes) of the particular good or service for consumers. This is what has happened to the NHS ( we have the bungling politicians and bureaucrats to thank for that!) If healthcare was left purely to the free market, we would see prices and costs come down due to competition. Even the least well-off in society would be able to purchase the healthcare they need.
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
So if there was no NHS, healthcare would be so cheap that even the poorest people could affort treatment for everything and therefore everyone would be better off?
You're an idiot. No country without socialised healthcare works like that. Why will the UK be different?
gww1 2 years ago
In response to your most recent comment, all I can say is that you display an unsurprising ignorance of simple, common-sense economics. I understand that you - like many others in this country - cannot conceive of healthcare being provided by any other means other than what is provided on a socialized basis by the state.
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
Parting shot: Try not to believe that your government is a force for the good of society. Here's George Washington's take on government:
"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
The UK government IS a force for good (on balance). Perhaps it's hard to say the same about the US. I suppose the two countries just work differently.
Labour came along with all these socialised ideas - the NHS, job-seekers allowence, minimum wage, child support, council housing, universal pensions, funding to help students pay for uni, e.t.c - and the public liked it.
Its a democracy, the government is what the public wants it to be, and the UK wants the government to do these things.
gww1 2 years ago
Government is government; it matters not which geographical area it extends its voracious, bloody power over.
Don't confuse democracy with freedom my friend...they are NOT the same thing.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
H.L. Mencken
Therefore, carry on being a good little socialist and don't bother to question why your government inflates away your wealth!
You're going broke and you don't even know it!
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
@kurt44mg42 - this is so ridiculous Kurt, I live in the US and most people I know cannot afford any health care. You average person pays around $600-1,200 for what is though of as good health care here. BUT you are not insured for any pre-existing conditions, all your treatment have a spend limit and when it runs out, your out. You are forced to visit only the doctors that your insurance companies deal with, and if you get ill your premium goes up. When you get ill you get investigated.
jinkies82 2 years ago
Dear jinkies82, I really think you ought to investigate why health insurance costs have skyrocketed in the US over the last 50 years or so. Scratch beneath the surface and you'll find it has nothing to do with 'market failure', but more to do with the hand of Leviathan (government). Regarding your comment about insuring pre-existing conditions. I'll ask you a question: Would you reasonably expect a life insurance company to insure someone who is about to die, i.e. an uninsurable risk?
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
The health insurance industry in the United States in no way resembles insurance companies operating freely to provide insurance cover to consumers based on the assessment of risk. The fact is that the US Federal and state governments have, for so many years now, heavily regulated (all in the name of 'equality' of course!) this segment of the market.
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
The supposedly free market health insurance business is more akin to medical entitlement program whereby the real and, consequently, ever-rising costs of healthcare are shifted on to unsuspecting third party payers. This is the real reason why it is so expensive to
obtain cover when it is needed.
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
Insurance has skyrocked because uninsured people are a burden on the emergency facilities costing $35B a year. Doctors are paid ridiculous wages, more than anywhere else on earth. The lack of regulation means that insurance companies could (up until today) drop people when ever they wanted for any reason.
65% of people in the last year went bankrupt in the USA because of health care costs not from the general economic situation.
jinkies82 1 year ago
@kurt44mg42 "......Would you reasonably expect a life insurance company to insure someone who is about to die, i.e. an uninsurable risk? "
I would expect that my country has a duty to look after the genuinely unfortunate. I if you want a system where insurance companies decide who lives or dies according to their profits then i think that i appalling.
jinkies82 1 year ago
Economics Lesson 2: If the government/state legislates/regulates the price of a good or service below the market clearing level, it will necessarily create an increased demand for for that particular good or service than would otherwise occur if left to the free market. This, in turn, leads to shortages and rationing of the good or service which, we have seen, the NHS is prone to. The government/state needs to get out of the healthcare business and let individuals decide what they can afford.
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
Comment 2: Since its inception in 1946 -1948, the NHS in UK has become a national religion thanks to the government, media and other opinion formers and therefore anyone who criticises it is labelled as an "idiot" or, worse, a heretic. The same is true for anyone who dares to oppose the arguments of the zealous proponents of AGW, gun-control or whatever else seems to be in vogue nowadays.
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
I feel sorry for you, Agreed that you cannot get something for nothing and the nhs is eating a large amount of our economic wealth as a country but you my friend need to understand that everyone has the right to healthcare regardless of social and economic status
Not free health care for all britons
Free health care for all. Every man woman and child across the face of the planet.
Want to find some funding for it? Stop spending billions on weapons and tools of death...
captaincrassh 2 years ago
Claiming you have a right to healthcare means you have a right to someone else's property (money) and labour. It means that you believe they should work either for free or for a price you and the rest of society agree upon by vote.
In other words, you're willing to make them a slave to provide you and the rest of society with a product you all lack the intelligence to provide for yourselves.
kurt44mg42 2 years ago
Where is your proof for this statement?
mrjamest2000 2 years ago
Private insurance companies are always more trustworthy than the government. We should be so lucky to maintain our God-given right to private healthcare.
herbs814 2 years ago
The conservatives nearly all think this privately. Ultimately they're just snobby scumbags, leftover from an era where only rich public school twats ran the country. I suppose some shit sticks. The rich only look out for the rich.
gww1 2 years ago
That is rubbish mate.
mrjamest2000 2 years ago
Hannan was right to attack the NHS.
Scoforever 2 years ago
I have also lived in the UK and the US and I much prefer the NHS. When I got sick and needed necessary surgery, I didn't need to worry about medical bills to pay afterward. I got great care on all levels.
Btw the WHO rates UK healthcare at 18 in the world. US is down at 37.
TranceAddiction247 2 years ago 17
This WHO ranking is very strange. I don't know what they measure, but
Dominika is better than US ?
And Colombia is better than Sweden?
vorbeigehende 2 years ago
@TranceAddiction247
WHO = skewed and basically propaganda. The USA has the best healthcare in the world. You mentioned price.
The lack of free markets in our healthcare is a problem, compounded by government programs.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 USA = 37 hahahahahahaaha!!!!
tigerfedor 1 year ago
@tigerfedor
USA = greatest healthcare where everyone around the world comes for treatment.
thank you. WHO =joke.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
Only if you are rich and can afford it, which most people around the world can't.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I have extensive experience of both systems and I know which system I'd pick and it's the NHS!
TranceAddiction247 1 year ago
@TranceAddiction247
Obviously some propaganda you've been listening to.
If prices were that out of control then no one would use our hospitals. People pay what they can.
Everyone gets treated. Another myth debunked.
We do need more price competition. Something like Singapore but better.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
Not propaganda, I have actual long-term experience with the US heath system.
But like I said, given that experience of it and the NHS you will never ever convince me otherwise, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
TranceAddiction247 1 year ago
@TranceAddiction247
Free = low quality rationed care and will always go bankrupt eventually.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
Oh I see that you know nothing about the NHS then. I don't debate with people who are uninformed
TranceAddiction247 1 year ago
@TranceAddiction247
nhs = debt. fact.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 Statement requires evidence of debt. Fact.
swordhunter12 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 Absolutely. Privatising the NHS would save billions of pounds. It's a shame that our so-called conservative Prime Minister doesn't support this.
MrYoungIndependence 1 year ago
@MrYoungIndependence..
LOL and lead to an American system.. Do you really want to be as backward as the zombies over there?
whiskasalpha 10 months ago
@whiskasalpha Due to its homogeneity, the NHS is ineffective; if it were accountable to shareholders, its efficiency would increase. Competition would also lead to lower prices, which would benefit the poor.
MrYoungIndependence 10 months ago
@MrYoungIndependence Due too its homogeneity the NHS is an efficient highly cost effective Universal health service thanks too the fact it is answerable too its shareholders, all 65 million of them. The poor benefit most from the way the NHS works unlike the barbarous private insurance based highly expensive highly wasteful non universal US system.
davijeph 10 months ago
@davijeph The American healthcare system is the best in the world, unlike the laughing stock that is the NHS.
MrYoungIndependence 10 months ago
@MrYoungIndependence Go tell that to the marines
davijeph 10 months ago
@MrYoungIndependence It isnt British health care isnt perfect but on the world health organisation it ranks higher then the US.
shaunyboy1000 10 months ago
@shaunyboy1000 Why do so many people emigrate to the US in order to receive medical treatment?
MrYoungIndependence 10 months ago
@MrYoungIndependence It may be true that people move from other countries to the us to receive health care. But that doesnt mean its the best in the world. Lots of people move the the uk for health care. There are a lot better countries with better health care systems then both our systems. just have a look on the WHO website.
shaunyboy1000 10 months ago
To quote Peter Ferrara, director of entitlement and budget policy for the Institute for Policy Innovation, "Doctors are dripping out of the Medicare program or refusing to accept more patients. In 2008, over 33 percent of physicians had closed their practices to Medicaid patients and 12 percent had closed their practices to Medicare patients. This restricts access to health care for the poor and the elderly..." Such negative effects would not occur within a privatised system.
MrYoungIndependence 10 months ago
@MrYoungIndependence I never said the NHS was perfect i was just stating that it according to the WHO it is better then the us system, where people are denied treatment because they do not have enough money. TBH if i had enough money i guess i would go private but i dont which is why i am greatful to the NHS which due to asthma has saved my life ones or twice.
shaunyboy1000 10 months ago
@shaunyboy1000 The NHS is no more free than American healthcare; it is funded through general taxation, which could be reduced in different circumstances.
MrYoungIndependence 10 months ago
@MrYoungIndependence Fair point however taxation goes to a lot more things in this country not just the NHS, transport, public sector jobs, benifits ect ect
shaunyboy1000 10 months ago
@shaunyboy1000 Taxation goes towards things that the people do not want their money to be spent on. This is wrong.
MrYoungIndependence 10 months ago
@MrYoungIndependence What like the security of knowing that if they become ill they will be looked after, or that if they lose their job the state will support them.
shaunyboy1000 10 months ago
@shaunyboy1000 I was specially referring to Britain's EU membership. profligate foreign aid and the military adventure in Libya.
MrYoungIndependence 9 months ago
@MrYoungIndependence Now i will agree with you there. We do pay way to much into the EU and get very little out of it. However i do like us being in the EU as it means our human rights are protected.
shaunyboy1000 9 months ago
@shaunyboy1000 The EU's definition of human rights is not the correct one.
MrYoungIndependence 9 months ago
@MrYoungIndependence There are a few differences from the universal decleration of human rights but no one is there to enforce them. The EU decleration of human right says pretty much the same thing. And there is no one definition of human rights.
shaunyboy1000 9 months ago
@shaunyboy1000 The EU values the "rights" of criminals more than those of their victims. This is an iniquity.
MrYoungIndependence 9 months ago
@MrYoungIndependence what like everyone is entitled to vote or not being able to harm prisioners. the unerversal declaration of human rights say these things aswell. Also as recent events show we dont have to do everything the EU tells us as parliament voted against giving prisioners the vote.
shaunyboy1000 9 months ago
@shaunyboy1000 Westminster is impotent; although most MPs have rejected voting rights for prisoners, they can't actually do anything about the issue.
MrYoungIndependence 9 months ago
@Thetruthishere11 Greatest if your a selfish rich bastard
if you are poor or moderate or rich the NHS is the best
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
@MrGilles1990
If that were true then no one would use our hospitals and everyone would be broke.
hasn't happened then. why?
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 The very rich can use your hospitals but the poor are in your view are "unprofitable" now i find that disgraceful.
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
@MrGilles1990
No, they get treated too. Lots of probono work here for the poor.
Government makes things worse in the USA.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 Works in America for the poor that's like saying Hitler worked well for the Jews
MrGilles1990 1 year ago
That's not far enough. His views are not "eccentric" - they're ludicrous, unfounded lies which he is propounding to make his name more luminous, rather than the snivelling, brown-nosing, slimy, tit-faced arrogant snob git that he is. Did I leave anything out?
doctorfunkshock 2 years ago 4
Medicare for All with the private delivery system we currently have will be the best way to go.
No more huge, 30 Million, exec salaries to pay with our premiums. Let's start spending our dollars on health care and not insurance company fat cats.
cordyc 2 years ago
Daniel Hannan makes me so annoyed with his brown-nosing of america just in order to make himself more popular. The fact he puts his views across as if they were fact and held by any kind of majority is awful.
Hopefully the conservative party will continue to ignore him and his insane views.
gammaray0wn 2 years ago
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This is the face of Cameron's Conservative party. Our schools, socalized schools. Our fire service, a socalized fire service? Our police a socialized police force? It's a human rights issue. The NHS is not perfect but it's the best option.
TheJamesxxzz 2 years ago
You know, I really wish my political opponents were this sane.
Clearly, 'conservative' has a different meaning in the UK then it does in the USA. When i think of 'conservative' in the US, i think expensive government that contracts its duties out to politically-tied corporations and tortures people.
Akin42 2 years ago 2
Albert Burgess - A Case for Treason
PikeSdream 2 years ago
What is conservative about praising inefficiencies?What is conservative about expanding the size of the government?What is conservative about bashing the free market?
Why does Cameron call himself a conservative?
He is statist and when a someone embraces statism ,you are NOT conservative in anyway.They need to change the party`s name forthwith.There is absolutely nothing conservative about party,none.
Madingoane 2 years ago
Tories hate NHS for the simple reason that commoners get just as much of a priority as they do.
they want to be able to flash their dirty ill-gotten cash and jump the queue.
WELL ALL YOU TORY SCUM FUCK YOU AND P!SS OFF TO AMERICA!!!
OverlordKaine1989 2 years ago
No thanks, we have enough of those. Send them to North Korea instead.
ncommons 2 years ago
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just admit it. your healthcare system sucks and does not compare to the greatest system in the world...in the USA we are better than your dumb useless healthcare.
203207ab 2 years ago
Hello 203207ab,
No. Just no.
You pay nearly twice as much as in health care (In terms of GDP) and still have 44 million Americans who are uninsured.
Anyways, I've seen your profile, all you do is comment on bashing the NHS. - YET you have not even tried our service, so somehow making a comparison is non-factual and basing your opinions of off other peoples reviews isn't good enough. You should try it yourself.
But you are too retarded for that. So safe to say, you are a retarded frog.
NorthPlum 2 years ago 2
The USA is much lower down the ladder when it comes to the quality of health care, and you won't even give it to all people. How on earth is that fair let alone better than our system.
Question: With health care who should we think about first. The people whom which it is caring for, or the insurence companies who have been fucking everyone over.
If I get sick and go to a hospital they don't ask me to fill in insurence forms, they just treat me. How the hell can you say that's useless?
RoCkErX285 2 years ago
your American healthcare ranks 37th in the world, the UK is18th. Not being insulting or anything but for a nation known for its competitiveness you are sure happy about having a crap healthcare system
mrjackjones123 2 years ago 2
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That study is ridiculous. The best care is in the US, and the most medical innovation is in the US. People in the UK are scared into thinking that people here go without healthcare, and that's plain wrong. My father in-law was as poor as a poor can be, and yet got hundreds of thousands of dollars of cancer treatment when he battled it several years ago. Calling the American system worse than the UK system is simply ignorant.
JunkyFlemm 2 years ago
no you ignorant to believe that the USA is number 1 in everything, truth is your healthcare sucks.
mrjackjones123 2 years ago 4
We also spend 8.4% of our GDP on healthcare, America spends almost double with 16% and you still got 50 million people uninsured
mrjackjones123 2 years ago 6
If you are poor enough or sick enough that's what Medicare/Medicaid is for. Funny conservatives in the U.S. fought it tooth and nail, and said it was "socialist."
The best innovations USED to be in the US do a google search of Bob Higgins health care innovations.
Antibacterials derived from marijuana? Italy & UK
Cloning? UK
Stem-Cell innovations? Australia
Each one conservatives oppose. I WISH we had the NHS.
Accepting right-wing rhetoric, rather than investigating? That's ignorant.
Dabipster 2 years ago 2
You are probably referring to the non-objective WHO study which purports to "rank" countries' healthcare, and which favors government-run systems with a more uniform approach. I hate to break it to you, but I've lived in both the US and the UK, and the US is far superior. Whatever information you're getting about the US healthcare system is untrue. You are being sold a bill a goods in the form of the NHS. Americans know this. They know they get excellent care, and they don't want it changed
dlwke2 2 years ago
its non objective to you because the truth hurts. The point is that your country spends more money on healthcare than any other country and still you have 47 million people without insurance and 20,000 die each year because of that
mrjackjones123 2 years ago
I know it must sting hearing that Americans don't want to go down the path to mediocracy and govt takeover of healthcare as Britain has. It's only natural to feel that way. I'm sure the 40% of Britons who go abroad for surgery to avoid NHS waiting lists would feel inclined to defend their national pride, too, without wanting to acknowledge the truth that NHS is subpar. Keep believing discredited, big govt propaganda like "47 mil Americans uninsured" if it helps to soothe your wounded pride.
dlwke2 2 years ago
You've been lied to if you think you've got facts.
How about all the Americans who go to Thailand and the Philippines because they cannot afford US services?
cordyc 2 years ago 2
Lol, 40% of Britons that go abroad.
Nice made-up statistics there. Where'd you pull those out from?
Magniloquent 2 years ago
Very few Americans go abroad for any medical care. However, 40% of Britons choose to go elsewhere because their national health system is subpar.
Look up the recent study by International Medical Travel Association. Doesn't paint a pretty picture of the British National Health Service. No wonder Americans say NO to government takeover of healthcare.
dlwke2 2 years ago
i would not travel half way around the world to pay for health care when i can get it free in britain,some cases in america they have to pay to live to get the proper treatment, it's like saying "sorry can't save your life, not enough money", health insurence is absolutely redicules, what next are they going to change the name to life insurence, i thought i doctors job was how many people you can treat not how much money you can make, although in america they call they customers not patience,
youknowimright1 2 years ago
Only rich Americans get excellent care. I have to spend 12,000 per year before I get insurance payments.
We need a system that takes care of all Americans including those with mental health issues.
cordyc 2 years ago 3
Sorry, but it's not just the rich who get excellent coverage. It's no wonder that nearly 80% of Americans say they are very satisfied with their private insurance coverage.
dlwke2 2 years ago
How is it conservative to expand and spend more on the NHS. It needs reformed, but these politicians in all parties seem to think the only reform is more spending. That's clearly not the case when other countries have better healthcare with less spending.
The Lib Dems are not the answer. You think Labour over borrow, over tax and over spend? Lib Dems in power would end up with Nigeria holding a rock concert for us.
A genuinely fiscally conservative, socially liberal party is needed.
beelz3333 2 years ago
And thus Cameron is found out to be nothing more than the typical sniveling little slime of a tory as we all knew.
WAKE UP UK VOTE LIB DEM FOR TRUE BENEFICIAL CHANGE.
It is time to end this merry-go-round of Labour-Tory,Labour-tory!
When will people wake up and see Tory and Labour are the same thing!
LIBERAL DEMOCRATS OUR ONLY HOPE FOR CHANGE.
OverlordKaine1989 2 years ago
Well, the NHS did first start being eroded when prescription charges were brought in, the underfunding and now privatisation has been a long-running meme, as it were. The Lib Dems are only correct in opposing war and Trident, and putting that money, which far outstrips health and education spending, into health and education.
pastrychef1985 2 years ago
True about prescription charges but it can be seen that they are needed but IMO lifelong prescriptions should be free the rest should be paid for where able.
OverlordKaine1989 2 years ago
Ah yes, the Lib Dems, the party who want to bury Britain as a region of the EU, have uncontrolled immigration and change their policy on whether they want to tax high earners more or not every other year
grayabc1234 2 years ago