What people are saying about "12th and Delaware."

[POKERPRONJWSOP]

Woman are using abortion as a form of birth control!!! The movie showed woman all complaining about the cost of raising the child, also it showed how these women will be inconvenienced by having a child.. Bottom line ladies is PROTECT YOURSELF and you wont have to worry about ABORTING your baby!!!

[POKERPRONJWSOP]

I feel that abortion should only be available when a fetus is not healthy!!!

[perfectbark]

Where was Father Tom as his fellow catholic clerics were molesting living. breathing children? Where was the outrage? It's been going on for at least most of the last century. Save an embryo, ruin the life of a 15 year old girl guaranteeing an institutionalized life in poverty. Selfish religious zealots.

[finishstrongdoc]

Thanks for admitting the truth (by mentioning abortion/breast cancer link) . Some may not have known such apossibility exists and are googling it now. You meant it for evil, GOD WILL USE IT FOR GOOD.

[shortnsweet288]

@finishstrongdoc She mentioned that as an example of one of the lies pregnancy crisis centers use to deceive women that are seeking abortions. The abortion/breast cancer link is just an example of fear mongering.

[lindseyjunebug]

hey! that was shelby knox!

[meltedpriest]

@threebabyms: No, it just proves that the battle for a woman to make her own choices free from harassment and fear will still rage, thanks to fanatics like you...and the politician's who cow down to your extremist ilk.

[aurelius259]

@meltedpriest People on your side are no better i can assure you. You really think Planned Parenthood and other abortionists are these crusaders for women's right to choice. Looke at their history and the testimonies of people who use to work for them and you will find out that they are the opposite. And also a documentary is one of the last places I would look to for facts.

[meltedpriest]

@aurelius259 Yes, I already have looked at their history, and the testimonies. And on one side, I see people just trying to offer a medical procedure to women; while on the other, I see nothing but attempts to control women's lives through their medical care.

"Your side" cannot seem to do the job via courts: and so whackjob murderers like Scott Roeder do your dirty-work for you.

Nice, Christian ethics you all preach. Not.

[aurelius259]

@meltedpriest clearly you have not looked at all the history and testimonies. and you are a typical narrow minded pro choicer to think its just christian and other religious groups. your side is also trying to control women lives as well by witholding medical information and even forcing abortions there have been lawsuits against abortion clinics for those things. and your side has the whackjobs as well like john holdren who want to force contraceptives and abortion on women so much for choice

[meltedpriest]

@aurelius259 Blah blah blah..."clearly." I so love people who claim to know me, based on two youtube posts.

Sorry, aurelius, but your argument makes no sense. How am I "trying to control women lives as well by witholding medical information?" Hello? You HAVE heard of a woman's right to privacy, right?

"...and even forcing abortions?" Again, with the mindreading. Nope, not here, aurelius: go fish. I'm not into anyone forcing abortions. .

[meltedpriest]

@aurelius259 (continued) That's the trouble with your ilk. You think you have it all figured out, because you "believe."

Well, here's something you've probably never heard from a pro-Choice'r...ready? I validate your religious beliefs. You're free to believe whatever you want.

so long as it does not interfere with someone else's freedom. The right for a woman to have access to her Dr, without harassment or lying, for instance. Clearly, you folks would rather shoot the Dr.

[meltedpriest]

@aurelius259 Oh yeah, and on a final note (last one, promise): I noticed you seem to associate "John Holdren," advisor to President Barack Obama for Science and Technology; with "Scott Roeder," murderer of a Doctor while he was praying in church.

Freudian-slip? Or a bad case of Christian morality, gone viral and distorted through mass-media cynicism, so that they can't even tell the murderers from the Doctors, anymore? You decide, Dear Reader. ;)

[aurelius259]

@meltedpriest Oce again you show how narrow minded you really are. At what time did I say I have any religious affiliation or belief you might not of heard of this but there are athiest and homosexuals that are prolife too. Not that i affiliate myself too prolife either cause i have my quarrels with them, and the witholding information I was talking about was the information that the abortion clinics withold from the people going in to get an abortion or looking for advice on it.

[aurelius259]

@meltedpriest also i keep noticing you constantly keep mentioning Scott Roeder. Once again my beef is both with prochoice and prolife and your side has also shot at pro lifers and have tried to run them down with vehicles during peace rallies. And need i mention the whole abortion movement began with the intent of racial genocide. And they protect rapists and pedophiles by not reporting certain cases to the police as required by law in many states.

[aurelius259]

@meltedpriest Oh yeah and one more thing if you're going to continue this argument leave out the religous nonsense and and the medical practice I know its a medical practic until then STFU

[aurelius259]

@meltedpriest And though John Holdren might not be shooting people doesn't mean his intent is any better. And one thing i will give to the prolifers though is the will publicly speak out against people like Scott Roeder. Where your movement failed to do so many times. Bottom line as to what I was trying to get at before your people like the prolifers are a bunch of self rigthous hypocrites who truthfully don't care about the woman's right to choice.

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 I don't know who you're referring to when you say 'your people' pr 'your movement' but I for one do care very much about reproductive choice - that's what being pro-choice means.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 my argument is not about abortion in general but about the hypocrisy of pro choice groups who claim to be about women's choice but their actions are exactly the opposite and if you read my post correctly i don't go light on the opposition either because i do feel if you say you are going to help the mother then help the mother.

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 What groups and what actions are you referring to? Pro-choice simply means just that, supporting choice.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 there has been several testimonies from former PP employess as well as other abortion clinics that their goal is to get the woman to have an abortion whether it is to lie to them withold information that might deter them from having one there is an ongoing trial about an abortion doctor and his staff pinning down a woman and performed an abortion on her after she got cold feet.

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 Do you enjoy lying? Is it fun?

Citation needed on everything or STFU

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 everything i said is documented.

Citation needed? What is your google bar broken. Look it up lazy

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 lol are you kidding? You make shit up and then expect me to do the work of backing it up for you because you sure can't?

Don't waste my time retard.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 aah yes the typical childish name calling and severe ignorance of your kind there are many articles backing up my claim or even reading or checking them out on youtube or does your ignorance prevent you from doing that chuckles for exampel the woman who was forced to have an abortion her name is caitlin bruce you can even see her story here on youtube.

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 Good god, if you're going to write so much at least have the sense to use PM.

1. Margret Sanger wasn't racist. That's a myth.

2. Even if she was, it wouldn't matter. Lincoln was racist, that didn't make him wrong in emancipating slaves.

3. How is it racist to give minorities the same rights whites enjoy?

4. Here are some facts, minority women are the most likely to live below the poverty line, the most likely to be without health care, the most likely to have unplanned pregnancies

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 margaret sanger made no secret about her support for eugenics and there is also the negro project try looking that up and oh yes the kkk meetings which there also articles on that but your ignorance would prevent you from seeing that.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 John Holdren wrote a book called ecoscience population, resources. enviroment pg 786 - 788 and pg 942 talks about the things i mentioned before about forced sterilization and forced abortions

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 Planned Parenthood as well as other pro choice groups have supported programs that would federally fund abortions like the Freedom of Choice Act try taking some time to read that for once

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 there have been testimonies by former planned parenthood employees as well as other abortion clinics about the lies and deceit that come from the look them up its not hard try Abby Johnnson to start off with your research

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 and minority children are the least likely to be adopted.

5. Go read the Freedom of Choice Act. it doesn't provide federal funding for abortions an in fact upholds bans on such. All FOCA does is codify the RvW decision. READ IT!

6. Horden co-authored that book and it's about possible solutions of overpopulation. He wasn't making a recommendation, but a warning. Forcin women to give birth or be sterilized are branches of the same anti-choice tree, and one CAN cause the other.

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 7. On that note, a forced sterilization or abortion is as abhorrent and inhumane as forced birth. Yet you monsters don't seem to have a problem with the latter.

You're anti and we're pro-choice. We don't care what individuals choose, so long as they are free to choose.

Yet you reduce women to voiceless breeders, revolting enough, but contributes to overpopulation. A culture evil enough to control a woman's reproduction to force her to breed will also force her not to.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 Once again you stray away from the topic of my argument which I told before which is the hypocrisy of pro choice groups. You guys are clearly about forcing things as well which makes you no better. You clearly haven't read FOCA all to well cause the last time I checked it said that insurance will cover abortions which comes out of taxpayer dollars.

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 You never presented any argument but I've responded to everything you've said. Go read the FOCA, you clearly haven't. It doesn't say one single thing not already established by the Roe v Wade decision. You can read it online, there's no excuse for you to remain ignorant.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 wrong you clearly haven't read it FOCA does

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 It DOESN'T. And to prove it, I've PMed you a link to the text of the bill so you can finally read it. You're welcome, liar.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 wrong again I have read the bill it gives no provisions to federal funding and the soon to be government funding of insurance says that when the government provides you with an insurance policy it will pay for the policy from a private insurance carrier and that policy can cover abortions which then overturns the hyde ammendment retard

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 You moron. Your original claim was was that FOCA was a program for federally funded abortions. And it says NOTHING about federal funding whatsoever and does not prohibit bans on it (I WISH it did!)

It seems you need to read the Hyde amendment too, as you're clearly ignorant. Hyde is an annual rider attached to yearly appropriations for Medicaid. It isn't affected by FOCA.

I wish Hyde was done away with. It's absolutely revolting, sexist, classist, and racist.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 It holds no provisions so therefore it can fund abortions federally Hyde prohibits that idiot

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 "It doesn't say this anywhere, therefore it does" How retarded can you get? Do you enjoy lying? It it fun?

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 Have you even read the letter? Or does your ignorance prevent you is she specifically says that she doesn't want word to get out the we want to exterminate the negro race and to use ministers to straighten out the more rebellious members because religious appeal is more effective with the negro race.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 And you have no historical accurracy her letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble says it all and she was a supporter of Eugenics went to KKK rallies and your saying she is not racist what the hell have you been smoking

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 I've read her letter to Dr. Gamble, and that's precisely why you can't get away with lying to me about it. As I said, she foresaw misogynists attempted to use the accusation of racism as a guise to oppress women. As such, in her letter, she discussed ways to reach out to minority communities in an attempt to nip a myth in the bud. Unfortunately, she was unsuccessful and her words have been twisted by you liars.

But in any case, why would it matter anyway?

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 And by the way Margret Sanger was racist read some of the things she said she was a strong supporter of eugenics and was at more than one KKK meeting clearly she had to be on the same page as them if she was at more than one stay off the blog with your stupid igrorant rebuttals and let the adults talk

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 I know you just love the 'Margret Sanger was racist' myth, but even a cursory examination of her work throughly debunks this. Interestingly, she even predicted this accusation being used to hurt women and had many outreaches to minority communities to attempt to prevent this.

But it's moot anyway. Even if she was racist -she wasn't- it wouldn't matter. It's still utter nonsense to propose that giving minorities equal rights is somehow racist! How thick can you get?

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 not only that but if would force catholic hospitals and any other doctors who oppose abortions for whatever reason to provide abortions on demand

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 Where in the language of FOCA does it say that? Oh, it DOESN'T! Yet another lie from you. Par the course.

I wish all hospitals were required to give whatever care patients need. Recently a nurse at a Catholic hospital was punished for recommending an abortion that saved a woman's life! Imaginary friends are no excuse to neglect patients' needs.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 the fact that it doesn't say anything about federal funding or any provisions on it supports my theory retard

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 No, it doesn't. But as long as we're just making shit up, the fact that the constitution doesn't explicitly say that I can't slap stupid people, but also doesn't ban laws against assault, must CLEARLY support my theory that the constitution supports slapping you in the face.

Kidding aside, is dishonesty just so fun you can't help yourself and continue to lie even when proven wrong?

FOCA is just an amendment to codify RVW. It does NOTHING more, I WISH it did!

[juliewashere88]

@aurelius259 "The minister's work is also important, and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation, as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs"

Here's the whole quote, by the way. She wanted to educate people and ministers to head off then absurd accusation.

And keep in mind, at the time she was talking about BC.

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 There is also John Holdren who sits on Obama's staff who is for forced abortions, forced contraceptives, and having to ask permission to have a child. most pro choice groups if not all are for federal funded abortions and some states take out money already from taxpayers to fund abortions which means if whether you agree with it or not you have to support it for a group that is about choice they sure do want to limit it

[aurelius259]

@juliewashere88 And all these groups still to this day glorify Margaret Sanger who they would have you believe was a champion of women's rights but in reality was a racist and eugenecist who use these tools with the intent of wiping out minorities and anyone else she considered unfit and those are few of many details I could give you.

[threebabyms]

@meltedpriest Fanatic?? ok, that's a bit rash and judgemental. I am a "fanatic" because I firmly believe that human life begins at conception making abortion murder? Science has backed me up, not you.  It's a proven fact that life is a continuious journey of stages that begins with fertilization. Abortion is about $, not helping women. It is exploiting and disgusting. This "documentary" was propaganda and nothing more than that, it showed very clearly.

[juliewashere88]

@threebabyms Yes, that does make you a fanatic because you're just plain wrong. Any grade school student could tell you sperm and egg are already alive prior to ever meeting. Science isn't on your side and you're a liar.

Abortion is not profitable. Clinics like Planned Parenthood are non-profit and operate from donations and offer a wide range of services including adoption referral, contraception, pre-natal care, and parenting classes on a sliding scale for low-income people>

[threebabyms]

@juliewashere88NONPROFITABLE, REALLY? You seem to be lost. It costs aprox $400 for a 1st trimester abortion, $1000 or MORE for a 2nd trimester abortion. Eg. The state of CA's TAXPAYERS paid 52 BILLION just for abortions to MediCal in 2008. It is an INDUSTRY hunny. Not 1 pro LIFE person will say a sperm or egg is a person BY ITSELF. AFTER conception a seperate individual with it's own DNA and genetic makeup is present. THAT is science and if you look deeper, it does back up my position.

[juliewashere88]

@threebabyms Yeah, it turns out it costs money to have medical supplies and running water, and to pay for security because of ant0choice terrorists. Organisations like PP are non-profits, they only take in enough money to keep their doors open. Meanwhile my taxes go to CPCs that exist to lie to women, as well as abstinence only programs which don't educate.

And federal taxes don'r go towards abortions - see Hyde amendment.

A tumor can have its own unique DNA too -I guess it's a person?

[threebabyms]

@juliewashere88 I volunteer at a pregnany center.We ARE non-profit. We run COMPLETELY off of our donations. You are lost and seem to be believing whatever you are told. The Hyde Amendment has nothing to do with the state of CA on a state level. We pay for abortions here by giving our tax $ to MediCal.This is all public info if you take the time to look instead of babbling of talking points in which you obviously know nothing about. I responded to your tumor nonsense in my other post. ROLL EYES

[juliewashere88]

@threebabyms Many CPCs receive government funding, and I am just disgusted to see my tax dollars go to hurt and lie to women.

Unfortunately for you, I DON'T believe everything I'm told and so don't fall victim to your lies like the women who mistily go to your fake clinic for help.

I said federal taxes could not go for abortions. In some states, Medicare can be used for abortions for women lucky enough to qualify and navigate all the red tape. I wish only that it could be easier.

[threebabyms]

@juliewashere88 You never specified FEDERAL tax $. As a citizen of CA, my state tax $ go to fund abortions for every woman who wants one and has MediCal. My tax $ also go to pp for their "programs" all of which lead to more abortions bcuz that is where they make the majority of their money. We receive 0 tax $ and are a liscenced medical clinic. No abortion pics, no scare tactics, no lies.We give women the truth, we let them SEE their BABY on ultrasound unlike PP.

[juliewashere88]

@threebabyms Yes I did, LIAR, "And federal taxes don'r go towards abortions - see Hyde amendment."

And Jehova's Witnesses' taxes go to blood transfusions and organ transplants. It turns out you don't get to pick which medical services people get. Speaking of medical services, what does your fake clinic offer?

And women CAN see their ultrasounds at PP, they just aren't forced to, especially as they arent always needed.

PM me.

[threebabyms]

@juliewashere88 They turn the screen AWAY, Havn't you ever seen any undercover work that has been done there? Its on youtube and speaks for itself. Abortion is different than an actual medical procedure that SAVES lives. It TAKES life and is not supported by the Hipocratic Oath which is why many Dr.s refuse to do them. Abortion will never be what you want it to be because morally it is WRONG. We are LISCENCED and offer PTs and USs as well as PT verifications.

[juliewashere88]

@threebabyms Abortion does save lives. Women die by the thousands annually when they aren't able to get them.

And PP DOESN'T turn the screen away. Walk into any PP for an ultrasound and ask to see it. They'll show you. DO IT!

What is morally wrong is to reduce women to being unwilling hosts. To force your will on the body of another in clear absence of consent - just like a rapist.

Do you detect fetal abnormalities in ultrasounds and share them with patents? Do you offer BC?

[threebabyms]

@juliewashere88 It is impossible for a RN or stenogropher to detect fetal abnormalities without a OB/GYN to comfirm it. We do limited USs. We let them see their baby, give them pics if they want them. We measure the heartbeat. No BC because we are life affirming and BC can potentially cause early abortions. We are honest with our clients about our beliefs. Lies don't save lives, truth does.

Look at the work done by Live Action here on youtube at PP. I rest my case with that.

[juliewashere88]

@threebabyms So you claim to be a real clinic but then can't even give women pertinent medical information about fetal defects? You don’t even have an OB/GYN? Ultrasounds aren't toys! And you don't even give women anything that could prevent pregnancy or the need for abortions at all? Useless. Women are much better off at PPor any other clinic.

I've seen Live Action, and have made a few videos about their bullshit. It's hilarious that you would try to cite those morons as a credible source.



[threebabyms]

@juliewashere88 I'm citing the actual footage, it speaks for itself. We have liscenced technitions to run the US, if we didn't we would not be liscenced by the state genius.We offer LIMITED US and disclose that from jump.We never said we were a Drs office We refer women to OB/GYNs and GET THEM STARTED. We give tons of material aid.Your attacks are so comical to me and just prove how threatened you all are by us. We dont take the $ and baby and send the woman out the back door empty.

[juliewashere88]

@threebabyms Your ultrasounds don't provide necessary information apart from, 'yep, pregnant.' And did you just admit that you don't staff doctors? Are any of the staff RNs at least? Did any even graduate med school? And you don't provide the medical services any real clinic does. What a waste of space.

Go to PP, I GUARANTEE they will give you an ultrasound if you ask.

I don't find your scam threatening, just revolting. You predate on vulnerable women who mistake your CPC for a real clinic

[threebabyms]

@juliewashere88 We have OB/GYNs on call who will provide the client with their first couple prenatal visits,usually they are waiting on their MediCal pw to go through at that point and are not covered yet.I already said we have RNs, and do you even know what a limited US is? We are a real clinic or would not be liscenced. The state of CA would not issue medical clinic liscences to anyone who wanted one. Your fake clinic argument goes out the window here.PP will also kill my baby, point??

[juliewashere88]

@threebabyms PP has never killed one single baby. Ever.

Yours is a fake clinic existing for the sole purpose of manipulating women and standing between women and their rights. CPCs frequently lure women in with over the counter pregnancy tests and are known to even lie about the results, they lie to women about the health of their fetuses, lie about abortion risks, lie about real clinics to keep women from seeking any kind of care there, and generally harass women. Evil to the core.

[threebabyms]

@juliewashere88 By the way, "their bullshit" has made PP look like a bunch of lying unproffessional dimwits. Multipal employees have lost their jobs and PPs racism, lack of reporting rape, and lying to women about fetal development has all been seriously exposed. It's obvious that this just pisses you off, but there's nothing you can do about it. PP sunk themselves ON TAPE like the bunch of idiots that they are.

[threebabyms]

Nice try you guys, but the editing and the propaganda does not trump the truth. Lies come from places like planned parenthood when they tell the woman her baby just has "heart tones" not a heartbeat.  Give me a break, really. This overedited documentary was a desperate attempt to "expose" pregnancy centers, well, we are still here, still strong, and still winning with the TRUTH. See, we are not like abortion clinics, we're not in this for the $. This just proves that we are HERE and U HATE IT

[MMTWorks4me]

@threebabyms

What a nasty, hateful attitude you have, my god! Just like the rest of your "brethren".